"The Siege of Lothal Pt. 1" (S2E1)

Season Two recaps are officially underway and this season wasted no time getting into the action! From now being a part of Phoenix Squadron to the group adapting to changes to Ezra feeling like author Thomas Wolfe when he goes back to Lothal; the group discusses this and much more! 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm remembering sort of the seeing it on the page,
the huddle up with Feloni explaining that I now have
to convince Canaan to acquiesce to all of this new structure,
And I had no idea how intimate it was, and
I was blown away by it again last night.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey everyone, thanks for listening. This is Pot of Rebellion
and I am tser Car, voice of Sabine Wren Specter five,
and with me, I.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Have Hey, what's up, everybody? It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice
of Harrison Doula, Specter two. I am thrilled to be
here today and I am joined by.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
It was up. It's Taylor Gray, Ezra Bridger, Spector six.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
And we also have and I am your nonspector friendly
neighborhood moderator, John Lee Brody, who is also thrilled to
be here. And today we officially begin our journey into
season two of Star Wars Rebels and apparently continuing our
trend of two parters, seeing as how season two started
out with a two parter. But before we dive in,
as always, it's checking time. How is everybody so good?

Speaker 5 (01:19):
I'm just excited to talk about season two so good,
all right, rotten, how good it was?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
And I rewatching these two episodes.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
I can't wait to hear what core and key memories
were unlocked for the three of you as we get
into our discussion here and for our listeners when we
do the check in. This is also for you as well.
So take a moment checking with yourselves, and we hope
you're all doing okay, because it's what it's all about
here Wall one big family, right indeed? All right, So
here we go. We are ready. It's been a minute

(01:51):
since I've done of recap, and recap.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
You're gonna have to do. I watched this episode. I
was like, what, John's got his work cut out for it?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
If I'm being honest, I'm still not quite sure. But
we're gonna figure it out. We're gonna be okay. So
here comes the recap for season two, episode one, the
Siege of La Thal Part one, written by Henry Gilroy,
And here comes the recap. Apparently the Ghost Crew aren't
only spokespeople for a team No Days author also members.
Because we're right in the middle of heavy action as

(02:22):
this episode in new season begins, but the space battles
look different for our favorite group of heroes no longer
flying solo and they are now part of a larger
rebel cell known as the Phoenix Squadron. Meanwhile, the Empire
still seeking out the Ghost care on behalf of the
Governor Tarkan, because, like Michael Jordan in the Last Dance,
Tarkan took the destruction of a star destroyer personally. But
in a rather surprising twist, Minister Toua wants an avid

(02:42):
consumer of the Imperial kool aid, offers a deal to
the Ghost Crew Imperial secrets in exchange for her safety.
The group reluctantly agrees, and it's back to the Thal
they go. Naturally, they have to take on the likes
of Cals and other troopers, but what they didn't anticipate
was Minister Tua meeting her demise, and, to the make
matters worse, Roger Rabbit the Ghost Cruise frame for the
murder thanks to Darth Vader manipulating the media, which is

(03:05):
totally unrelatable scenario, am I right? Yeah? Anyways, Now, with
Lathal turned against the Crew, this puts a target on
their back and Azra faces a hard truth. Like Thomas
Wolf in nineteen thirty eight, he apparently can't go home again.
With the walls closing in, the group needs to make
like the eighteen hundreds Kansas Outlaws and get out of
Jodge and quick. They find a hanger thanks us of
Beings digital cartographer skills, and that holds a potential shuttle

(03:27):
for their escape. Canon and Azra and their trooper cosplay
Jedi mind trick their way into the hangar while Trojan
Horse and the other's end and it looks like escape
is in their sights. But just when it seems like
they're into clear, Azure and Cannon feel a chill and
turn not to see that winter is coming like a
Game of Thrones, but rather Darth Vader, who is like
Nancy Allen in the nineteen eighty Brian de Palma movie,
is dressed to kill and ominously walk towards them right

(03:49):
as we get a cliffhanger ending totally on brand with
the Star Wars lore. And that is our recap for
season two, Episode one, The Siegelith Hall Part one.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well don wow, that's up there. Top three good.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
That was like a history lesson.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I mean, we went way back into I thought we
went back to the eighteen hundreds, but then we went
back to you know, ancient Greece.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
I loved it.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
We went back to ancient HBO with the Game of
Thrones references. It seems like forever ago that Game of
Thrones was on, and I was like, that's a I
think that's a nice callback, even though it wasn't that
long ago, but it feels like forever ago. How is everybody?
These episodes parts one and two, and we're talking about
part two next week obviously are incredible. What was it
like for the three of you? I don't know how

(04:38):
long it's been since you watched them, if you've ever
seen them at all, Tailor's I know it's body in
terms of which ones you've seen, But what key and
core memories were unlocked watching this episode?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Oh, I don't know what memories were necessarily unlocked. I
didn't realize my whole order of it. I knew how
cool it was having Vader in the show, but I
didn't realize how soon he came in obviously at the
very beginning and then the end, but I thought it
was like much later into the show. So that was

(05:08):
very cool. And there are just certain people whose voice
do you remember? They like played some of it we
were able to hear like his voice just always sort
of transports you to this like other world. You're like, oh,
I don't belong here, And so I thought that was
that was really cool having Vader in the show.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, do you guys remember when we learned.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
That Vader name was then?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Right? Yeah, what did we know? Was it in the script?
Did we know anything?

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Answer?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Did?

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Okay? Yeah? I think so, And we were like I
remember I was just wondering, like, who's going to play Vader?
And then they got James old Jones and I was like, oh,
this is insane, but I have a funny thing with
and this is this isn't trauma. But like I've been
on of shows where they get canceled, and so season
premieres and season endings of shows are like this weird

(06:01):
even though you're doing the show, and especially this we
knew we were going to keep going. It just gives
me this like weird feeling, like nerves again of like okay,
you really got to lay in the plane well and
then you got to take it off again. And I
find it so interesting how shows like end the season
and then get going again. And I was just so
impressed with like how good these were?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I feel like John, you were asking us about like
what memories did this kind of stir up? But I
think that's what you're asking But yes, no, Well for me,
I feel the same way Taylor, because like I don't
for some reason, I don't. I didn't remember these episodes
very well. So I was watching just as a viewer,
kind of on the edge of my seat. There were

(06:45):
some moments there I was like, oh, right, right, right, right,
but most of it was just me like on the
journey and not not actually remembering tidbits of when we recorded,
but more so watching it as a as an audience
member and real enjoying. I was like, wow, we just
came out the gate like with I don't know, it

(07:06):
was like, you know, lots of palace intrigues, so to speak,
right right at the beginning, and then you've got I mean,
Vader obviously like always gives me chills, never fails to
give me chills. When you hear the breathing and hear
James Old Jones's voice and that music, it's like it

(07:27):
works every time.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
And then also just I'm.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Like going ahead into the episode, but did you guys
get any like that scene between Canaan and Harah was
so intimate. It was very I was like, oh, mom,
And first I was like, oh, mom and dad are fighting,
and then I was.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Like whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Wait wait, wait a second, there's like she kind of like,
you know, pushes him up against the wall, and it was.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
It was very intimate. I almost felt uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
And Harry even says, Mom and.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Dad, oh does she Well, I say, make mom and
dad proud? Yeah, Oh funny, I didn't. I didn't catch that. Well.
What I was remembering seeing this was I had no
idea what this would all look like. I mean, imagine
people who are listening that you're reading on a page,
this happens, and this happens, and this happens, and you're
sort of imagining it, but it's never going to look

(08:15):
as good as what lucasfilm is going to ultimately create.
So I remember when we were reading it, I said
I had a vague sense of things, But when I
saw it for the first time back in the day,
I was really blown away by how intimate that scene
was in the hallway. It gave me like Han and
Leia feels a bit and I do remember, you know

(08:38):
how Canaan is complaining, I don't like being a part
of this militaristic structure. I remember the huddle up before
we started recording this with Filoni, where Feloni was like,
it's really important that you understand You're going to have
to convince Kanaan to play by the rules here because
he does not like this more organized structure. Shared Uh,

(09:02):
you know this, this you know with Fulcrumb comes, you know,
Sato and all these amazing characters that we see all
around us and extra support. But he fights it because
he prefers the sort of little ragtag group that we were.
But I was blown away by the intimacy when I
saw it before, and in watching it now, I'm remembering

(09:26):
sort of the seeing it on the page, the huddle
up with Felony explaining that it I now have to
convince Canaan to acquiesce to all of this new structure.
And I had no idea how intimate it was. And
I was blown away by it again last night. And
I also loved I loved that Ezra. There were there

(09:48):
were a couple things to me that indicated growth of character,
Like to hear Ezra say in the sort of the
opener caravast like something something. You're now a member of
the crew. I mean you were at the end of
season one. I realized that, but I felt, Wow, this
kid just said one of Zeb's phrases that meant a

(10:08):
lot to me as I viewer this time. And also
to see Sabine in the Phantom, you know, doing all
this crazy stuff, I felt like, yeah, you go, Sabine,
like and Okay, let's get into the wardrobe for a sec.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
What.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, So I had all the feels in the rewatch
this time that I didn't notice some of these details
the first time through.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Sorry, this is also maybe a question for jac or
maybe you guys know the answer. But I think Sabine
flies the Phantom once before in season one, is that right?

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I feel maybe we went on a mission or something.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
But then this time I was like, Okay, Sabine, what
can't she do?

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I was blown away by it this time for something. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I do think that maybe there was one other moment
where we see her flying the Phantom, but this time
I was like, oh, she's like I was like, I
didn't remember she could do that's like fully yeah, yeah,
fully in the driver's seat and like it's more like
the group is really growing up.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Even it's like, am I crazy? But as like taller?
He looks like he's taller.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Maybe were you guys struggling for some reason? I you know,
I turned it on and I was like, wait, did
I miss a season? Like all of a sudden, They're like,
you know, Soto's KeyOne young genius. Yeah, go Kni. You
know Sato is like calling out orders. We've got back up?

(11:46):
What Phoenix won? I think, you know, I was like, wait,
did I miss something? How do we go from like
Ahsoka coming down a stairwell to like, now we've got
did I miss some? I honestly felt like I was
on season three accidentally. I felt like we took a
major leap forward from where did that strike you?

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yes, it felt like they were from the writing perspective,
like trying to show how much more embedded we were
in the rebellion, Like I'm not going to say overtly,
but we were a lot like how fun is it
to be with this squadron? And like we got their back,
like it felt very much of it. They're like, Okay,
this rebel group, we showed them all coming together and

(12:26):
now they are like a force to be reckoned with
in this bigger thing. Because I felt the same way.
I was like, did I skip something?

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I feel a little silly saying this, but it kind
of made me a little bit emotional because I was like, Wow,
these guys have been, you know, at it for who
knows how long we'll find out when we do our prequel, right,
but you know, like just just just the five of
them or wait, I guess six? I mean Chopper any though,

(12:56):
but before As came on five?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Right?

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:01):
And Strap respector yes? What what.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
He's spector three? He's right because I believe Zeb specter
four because it's all in.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Order of how who got who got there for who
got there in what order? Right?

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Like that's.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
After Canaan.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, this is why we need this cranquel so badly.
So I guess Kanaan and Harrah found each other, right.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
I mean we're going we're going off topic.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
But and then they found Chopper or maybe Chopper was
there already and he just got three because he's Chopper.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
And not didn't one or two?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
And then what Zeb comes on the scene, and then
Sabine right and then and then you anyway, I was
just thinking, like as I was watching all of that
happen at the very very top of the episode, where
it's like, you know, like this this massive force and
like you said, all these really cool characters like Sato

(14:02):
et cetera, and obviously Ahsoka, but like I was like, Wow,
these guys have just been like on their own, struggling
to make it work and like fighting the good fight
despite all the odds, and then here we are all
of a sudden and it's just like this this massive
effort and it's so much bigger than them, and I
think they're realizing it and I was realizing it, and

(14:25):
it made me a little emotional.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
I've understandable. Yeah, I'm sorry. No, No, I was just
gonna say, I'm glad. There's two things that I'm glad
you all brought out. One the hair canaan intimacy things.
I'm like, Okay, I'm not the only one thinking this.
It had this very mister and missus Smith energy of
like like are they about to make out? Yes? Is
this one Star Wars becomes rated art likes?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yes. I was like, oh oh my, oh my.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
It had that energy. But it's almost like they realized, oh,
we're in a where people can see us just someting,
but you know, obviously we know.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
And then Taylor's I mean Taylor as you was just
creeping in the back right there.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
I was like, Ezra, you need to cut to like
Strata Marty mcflag go when he's a peeping tom, like
what's going on here? And then the other thing, Nasa.
I'm really glad you brought up because I wrote it
in my notes too, when when Isra says caravat and
this whole thing that he's fully integrated in the group.
But also this it's further solidifying the whole brother dynamic

(15:26):
that Ezra has with zeb because when you are around siblings,
you're around close friends, you kind of start talking like them.
I don't know if that's been like for you, but
like I know, when I'm around close friends of mine
back home, all of a sudden, my Chicago accent comes
out again, or you know you kind of So I
felt like that was such a It's one line in dialogue,
we know who it usually belongs to, but the layers
of it, like you alluded to, is they're so loud

(15:48):
and clear. It's like, oh, like there's enough time here
and like he's fully bonded, but also he does see
zeb as a brother and vice versa.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, I agree. And also, you know you said, Tia
just now that having Ahska there was also cool. As
a Clone Wars fan, I got to see close ups
of her face in this first and second episode, or
we're talking about the first one for now, but parts
one and two where I'm like, ohhca is a different
this is a different time, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
She looks so grown up.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Her facial features they look so strung.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I was really really struck by that this time watching it, like, oh, look,
our little girl's grown up.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, I wonder you know how you've talked about like
the perfect hair lipstick for all the Hara Cause players.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Oh yeah, cliny Coney. I think it's called yeah, oh
black Honey. Is that the one? I think?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
So? Yeah, honey, y'all that's even for non Hara Cause players.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
That's a that's a good squad. Come on.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
But that was like my first off topic. That was
the first real lipstick that my mother ever bought me
when I was like a preteen.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
It was black Honey. Finally mine was ginger cookie. Go
figure love it. Wait, I think I lost Oh. I
was just going to say. When I was looking at
there was like one close up of Ahsoka and her
She's got like these dark kind of black current lips,
and like her.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Makeup is different, her facial features are different. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I was just curious for like any Ahsoka cause players
who are listening, what's that lipstick that you use for that?

Speaker 1 (17:23):
For that version of Aska out in curiosity.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Also question how much time did pass between the end
of season one to season two.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Jon I was wondering the same thing because it felt
like a lot of time to me where I literally
I went, wait a minute, and I double checked that
I was on season two and there's nothing had we
hadn't skipped anything, right, Yeah? Yeah, Because it's been so
long since we watched an episode, I thought somehow I
messed up, and I went to it I've progressed further

(17:54):
in time, But I mean, I know they needed to
take the story forward, and this is the season where
you know, things change, the stakes get higher, and I
think they we hear that a lot and part of
you know what Harris says to Canaan about why this
is the right thing for us to be doing, uh,
and that he needs to sort of get with the program,

(18:15):
that things are quite different, and but we need to
make more progress in the story. So I get that
it's necessary, but it did feel I don't know how
much time. Hopefully JC knows.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
He knows, he knows, he's in the back going like
come on, god it He's like, give me a challenge,
Child's pla Fisher Price sort of stuff. But uh, yeah,
when this when this season started, it felt very much
how a new hope. You're right in the middle of
the action, and you clearly it's part of a bigger story.
In contrast Season one, which felt like everything was unfolding

(18:49):
in like real time almost, you know, especially the way
it started. It's like it starts at the control tower
with ZrO and he sees a starter story. But this
one it's like, whoa, Okay, well you know where where
they left off with this whole glimmer of hope brought
to you by like Ahsoka and the Phoenix Squadron and everything.
But yeah, it's a it's very on brand with Star
Wars to make a question, wait, what's going on? Where

(19:10):
are we exactly? We know it's part of a bigger story,
just like Harrah Lutz talks about to Kanaan, like, hey,
we're part of a bigger fight now, and which I
think is a really interesting thing to see Canaan's resistance
to the whole thing. It's understandable PTSD and haven't been
part of the you know, Order sixty six and everything.
But he reminded me of like the analogy I came

(19:31):
up with this, like an indie filmmaker who all of
a sudden has to work with the big studio, and
all of a sudden, you're ant like you will go
from maybe having twenty people on set, total coluding classing crew,
including craft services, all of a sudden, you're answering one
hundreds of thousands of people who all have an opinion
of how to make your movie. And I feel like
that's how Canaan feels. He's like he liked being like

(19:51):
the indie filmmaker, and he's like, I'm not sure if
I want to be part of a big corporation. But
also it's rooted in this PTSD of the last time
he was part of a collective, they all got wiped out,
and I was just I don't know if that's set
out to any of you. But that really stood out
to me this time around. Obviously, Freddy's acting that he
brought into it made you feel that because Freddy brought
a lot of depth into it. But I was just

(20:13):
curious of your thoughts on if.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Any along the same lines.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I was thinking throughout this episode, like Freddie's always great,
He's always great, but man, he was so good in
this episode. And Kanu is so sassy in this episode.
It gave me like super han solo vibes of like
all the little quips and a little like, you know,
he's taken care of business, but then he's also got
like something sassy to say to, you know, Haarah or

(20:40):
Ezra or whatever. But yeah, I really enjoyed watching the
sort of dichotomy of like Haarah being like, this is
what we have to do and there's no if sands
or butts about it, and Canaan being like, this is
not what we do though, and we've been doing it
just fine, and I don't like that, and she has
to like get him on board, like you were talking
about earlier, Vanessa, and I really enjoyed watching that sort

(21:02):
of interpersonal dynamic between them because I feel like at
the end of season one, we kind of straight away
from that, and now I just I just love it
when we get back to Harrah and Kanaan having those
like moments. I just I just love watching them together.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah. I had the same experience, and uh, as far
as Chopper goes, I was just racking my brains. I
believe Harrah met him during the Clone Wars and pulled
him from a downed why wing. How do you know this? Yeah,
because I'm I'm I don't know if it happened in
the bad batch or if there was a scene, And

(21:43):
forgive me, my brain is an oatmeal at the moment,
but I know maybe it's in the scene where where
or the episode where Thron takes her Caligry. We learned
how she met him, but I believe he was in
a downed wing and befriended or Harra took him from that.

(22:04):
Jac's going to have to help me.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
And was that pre or post meeting Canaan.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
That's pre I believe. And still Canaan gets to be
spect one dude. Here's the thing. If we get caught,
I need him to look like he's number one and
Chopper is not going to be ahead of me. Correct
so it just had to be that way it. Chopper
would love that. Chopper thinks that he should be Yeah,

(22:37):
but I but I believe they they have been together
for quite some time, uh, I and I And I'm
not sure if it if we've figured all this out
in Bad Match or in that scene. Actually it may
have been in season three when we get a sense
of her family in the Calakori.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
I guess we'll find out or we'll find out at
the end of this episode. Although as you were just
saying that, it reminded me of that excellent fan question
we had last episode or a couple episodes ago, when
we came up with this idea that we have to
do a prequel to talk about there. You know, how
did how did these all? How did these guys all
meet and come together as the Ghost Crew? And I

(23:22):
wonder jac unless unless any of you guys know the answer,
but I don't think we do. I wonder it is
that information Does it exist? Like like maybe not the
full fleshed out stories, but like.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
The books.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, like in the books or in the whatever extended universe?
Do those do those things exist?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Of?

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Like?

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Okay, so is it briefly mentioned somewhere like Zeb, this
is how Zeb comes to Harara and Canaan and Schopper
or whatever. Like, I'm just curious if that, if any
of those nuggets of information exist anywhere.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
But also if, okay not if when the prequel thing happens,
that there should be a whole episode in terms of
how the Specter Order came to be and like why
Cane is number one, whether it's like, oh, they had
the pod race for it and Kara let him win,
you know sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
It was like a Sabbat game and like, you know, yeah,
that would be we got to make this happen.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Guys, just so much to tell. I thought Felony always
said that Harah made him number one so that he
and purposely didn't tell him anything, so that if he
was captured and tortured, he had nothing to reveal. But
he looks like the one to question, not me. I
kind of love him.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
That makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
And he did, didn't he get captured And the end
of last season, yeah, he did say anything.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
And Harrah literally says he doesn't know anything.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, that's perfect.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
It's like disked from the actual mastermind of the whole operations.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Out through the whole thing. Every time Steve. Now it's
a joke, but he is so many of the Stormtroopers yeah,
all the time. Like it throws me off, like because
we just know Steve so well. But it's so funny
how many times he shows up and like not just
like screaming and dying, like having full scene. Oh yeah,

(25:13):
the whole Jedi mind trick, which was very fun for
me because maybe that was the only connection I had
to Star Wars as a kid, Like we all did that,
Like it was Matilda, Matilda, Yeah, Matilda and Star Wars.
Like I remember trying to do that on people and
it failing, So this was like right in line with it.
But when he's doing that might be his first try

(25:35):
at it, and then Canaan does it successfully and it's like,
why does mine work like that?

Speaker 1 (25:39):
And then he says, I I wish it worked on you.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
That worked on me. I wish that worked for me.
And then he goes, I wish that worked on you.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, and Steve has like a hole back and forth.
He's the Trooper through it, and it's just I don't know,
it cracks me up because he must have played like
thirty Stormtroopers in the show totally.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
And so I feel like sometimes Steve Stormtrooper Steve is
interacting with zeb Steve, and those are the best ones
because you're.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Like, this guy, well can't he do? Like it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's such a fun little easter egg for me in
this In these rewatch you know, rewatching these episodes, it's like, oh.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
That's Steve. Ope, that's also Steve. Oh, those two stormtroopers
are both Steep. This one I had a lot of
D moments because D was that creature who brings to
a Joe old Joe. That was D Yeah, and I
didn't know. Yeah. And then he's a bunch of Imperial
officers as well. Of course he is no dude, the

(26:39):
two of them. I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I always am like, if you just just stick D
and Steve in a room together, you know, like whose
line is it?

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Anyway is that?

Speaker 2 (26:50):
But like just let him get in a room together
or on a stage really so we can watch and
just D and Steve get out, you know, like the voices,
the sounds, the like mimicry, the accents like that. It
could go on forever, indefinitely. Those guys are just I

(27:10):
think it blows my mind. I've known them for so
long and I've seen them do so much, and yet
when I see them do what they do and at
the level that they do it at, it's just so
awe inspiring, really truly.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Okay, that is an amazing idea to you, and I
know we've been hinting at it again. We want to
make this happen everybody. We don't know when, but it
will happen at some point when when we do live shows.
I feel like one of the things we do, we
do whose line is its segment with like the James
Arnold Taylor's, the Dee Bradley Bakers and the Steve Blooms
and we get topics from the audience. I was like,
all right, here's the topic and have them do like

(27:47):
a UCB style long form improv and like they're one
thousand voices. Well problem, Like we can count the amount
of voices they do and like the five minutes span,
it'll probably be in the high hundreds easily.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Okay, so we're adding that to the segment. Okay, so
live show is coming soon ish, I don't know when.
But like when you were saying that the wheels of
my head were turning. Oh my god, like, yeah, get
them on stage. Let's do this in front of an
audience and let the audience feed them topics and let them,
you know, dictate what the story is. And yeah, you
get those guys together, it's it's going to be ridiculous.
YouTube Vanessa. I mean, but Vanessa in the mix like, whoa, Okay, now,

(28:24):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Know those guys are nuts. No, absolutely, I mean I
don't do creatures, So I mean I do do.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
I can.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's kind of like I can sing, but I'm never
going to be the gal who's like give me the microphone.
I'll be like, nah, I'm good, Oh but you do,
you can? You can and you do and you do
it all if I'm marrying, but I'm yeah, yeah, I don't.
Yeah whatever anyway, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
No, you're I mean, I do like a very small
handful of impressions, and they're more micro impressions, so it's
like you do questions are great, Yeah, but that's because
I think I know like one sentence to say and
that's like, all right, that's it. Guys, like where it's
a different level and this isn't me being self deprecating.
Just it's a different level with the Vanessa Marshalls, the
Steve Blooms of Deep, Bradley Bakers, James Arnold Taylor's of

(29:12):
the world who can carry an entire like zoom call
or conversation in that voice. Yep, that there. It would
be very very difficult for me, could I mean, it
would slip in and out for me. Where it's always
amazing to me when I can see that level of
talent and it's like, oh yeah, exactly, Like you can
get Dan Castle in at a he could talk like

(29:32):
Homer Simpson, like an entire three hour call just because
it's just there. Or I could maybe say dope, that's Itay.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
That's how I speak French, Spanish and Italian. I say
like this, and I'm like, that's it. That's all I got.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
You get that one good phrase like and then someone's like, oh.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
You and then they say a lot more and I'm like, no, no, no, that.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
That was it. That was it exactly exactly. I want
to talk about Ezra really quick, and do you start
to see the makings of him coming into his own
where the first season it's very master pad one sort
of thing and he wants that structure, he wants that guidance,

(30:15):
and he still wants that. But even when the team's
having their huddle, and this is this great shot where
they're like, do we trust Minister Tua, And Ezra's just
kind of there spinning the wheels in his head and
you start to see that, Okay, this guy is like
he's starting to see all the angles. And this is
very much like you, Taylor. You have a way of
just kind of you know how to play the game.

(30:35):
You kind of see the angles, and you really kind
of calculate what your movie is going to be. And
we see it through that, of course, and moment we
get to it next week we see more that come
to fruition. But I'm just wondering, was that any party,
your thought process, any sort of discussion that you had
with Dave or any of the creators, Because even the
voice we talked about when Ashley was on here a
few weeks ago, how the voice of Ahsoka changed by

(30:57):
the time we meet her here versus Clone Wars sense
even a little more confidence and maturity in Ezra even
just a little bit in this first episode, And I
don't know, like what you can remember or if even
that set out to you rewatching your own performance, Taylor.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, the only conversation I remember having with Dave throughout
the entire show about like performance was just age. And
I don't know if Tia you did the same with
just because you're obviously playing like younger, like I was
close enough to the age of Ezra, but also like
was I maybe twenty one when we started twenty one
to oh yeah, I wasn't able to drink nineteen to

(31:38):
fourteen fifteen? That is a that is a enough of
a gap that like we were playing down with the voice,
like I remember him being like, Okay, just pitch it
up a little bit and then we'll eventually bring it down.
But also in just like you said, the confidence and
not justly disposition, but the way he carries himself will

(32:00):
feel it in that way, and I feel like they
also did such a good job of writing him that
way as well, like you see it, he then, like
you said, listens and then comes up with the game plan.
But then a further thought occurred to me, and I
wonder how you guys feel about this, and maybe this
is where I'm at existentially in my life right now.
I'm really curious how much, like different characters have kind

(32:23):
of shaped me as a person and how much I've
like watching this show through there's been a beautiful thing
where I'm like, do I do that because like I
was kind of conditioned to do that while playing Ezra,
or like I saw it differently playing this character or
that character, because you really go deep into a philosophy

(32:43):
of a made up person and it is a part
of you. And I'm catching myself do certain things and
I'm like, is that something that just came up with
me randomly or is it from this thing that I
see on camera that I obviously learned how to do.
And it's been interesting because with Ezra there's the closest,
maybe because we did eighty episodes of it and it

(33:05):
was a long story of growth and evolution. But sorry,
that's a bit of like a side quest on what
you're asking, But yeah, I think it is cool to
see the growth of Ezra through it. And I remember
the biggest job I remember was when he cut his hair,
which I think is coming first season three.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
His blue hair, apparently his blue hair, his dark blue hair.
Who knew it's not black hair with blue blue undertones?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Guys, it's not it's just blue, it's blue hair. I
think I think that's a fairer question, though. Taylor and
I sometimes feel like it's almost as if casting knows
us better than we know ourselves, and they put together
this group of people that perhaps they see things about us,

(33:55):
like I didn't know that I was so nurturing. I
didn't know that I care about doing I mean, I
knew that I cared about doing the right thing, but
to the extent that I feel that it's my duty
to do so. I didn't realize that is like in
my DNA, and I was sort of shocked to see
how I don't know, I've been that way my whole life,

(34:21):
but I never really sort of really really took ownership
of it, shall we say, until I saw the similarities
in Harrah, because I would ask myself, what would Haarra do?
And I'm like, dude, you've been doing that for years.
Oh wow, I guess we really are very similar. Or
I catch myself doing things today. Have I been impacted

(34:42):
by roles that I played?

Speaker 3 (34:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
I had. Something like this happened recently in a video game.
I played Doctor Strangelove and I just did a podcast.
They asked me to watch the Stanley Kubrick movie. This
is a bit of a side tangent, but I don't
play the game well enough to no to sort of
go into much of the backstory that is revealed about
this character. But for whatever reason, when I was in

(35:08):
high school, I was obsessed with nuclear holocaust and preventing
it and saving the world and whatever else. And this character,
Doctor Strangelove in Metal Gear Solid is obsessed with preventing
nuclear holocaust through using AI to kind of protect the
world from human error in a way. And I didn't

(35:31):
realize that I didn't. I didn't bring any of that
to the portrayal of this character whatsoever, at least consciously.
But when I watched the film Doctor Strangelove in order
to prepare for the podcast and watch those sort of
nuclear mushroom clouds, I had a visceral reaction. I started crying,
and I had forgotten that this used to be. I

(35:52):
would go to peace protests and I started groups at
my school. I was like, literally the only member Americans
for Peace. No one gave a flying anyway, But I
thought to myself, like did they see in me that
this is something that I definitely did care about or
I don't know. I just I think that's a really

(36:13):
interesting line of inquiry where things are revealed to us
even after performing them, that either we've incorporated elements of
that or that we had them all along and just
never really noticed them before. Anyway, that's today, so I'm
bringing it up.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
But no, it's super interesting. I'm curious. It's great.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
That's a very deep philosophical I think feel like bonus
episode we could take. Maybe we can get a philosophy professor,
because what you're talking about is socrates theory of recollection.
Like we don't learn, we just uncover what we already knew.
And I feel like that's what you're describing there. And
even as actors, it's almost like we don't. It comes
to the point you realize you don't need permission to

(36:54):
do anything. It's just other than just give yourself the
liberty to do so, and acting as such an amazing
outlet for that. It's like safe space for you to
channel into this part of your personality or channel into
this thing you maybe never got to do. It's like
like someone like Data Korn Sweat playing Superman. It's like, yeah,
he's not Kryptonian doesn't really fly, but at the same time,
it's like he gets to tap into that whole thing

(37:14):
of this person who really, you know, almost naively believes
that people are good and you know, has this maturity
to use his powers for a good sort of thing.
But you can't relate to that personally, like we don't
know what it's like the fly around and have heat
vision and anything like that. But my point is it's
like when you're giving that liberty to like, hey, let
me let well other than Taylor, who obviously who hold

(37:35):
him back on us, but he's you know, wait till
we get to season four. But it's just like when
you get that direction or you get that breakdown, it's like, oh,
this is with your character is like oh okay, and
so I do think you're honest something there, Vanessa. It's
like it's already there. It's just we have to give
ourselves permission to uncover it. And then when you have
a safe space like the stage or film television, it's like,

(37:57):
you know, it's okay to like let it out here
because it's like within the confined space, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, dead on it. I think that's the most That's
what appeals to me most about acting. I think I
think we as humans are everything and everyone. Not to
get so woo wooly, but like every character is just
on the switchboard of who teas or Vanessa's or John is.
You just turn certain switches up or down according to

(38:22):
each character. But it's all within you and who you are.
And we see people in life some switches have just
been jammed all the way up and all the way down,
and through work they can start to toggle it. And
then you have people who can are so deft with
moving them around uh at with ease. And I think
that is what acting sort of asks of you. And
it is sort of like the economy of empathy as well.

(38:44):
You're just seeing into parts of yourself that are there
and other people that you just have to sort of
uncover a little bit. We really went away from Star Wars, but.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Let's someone get Socrates on the phone.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
But I do think it's an interesting I mean, if
you started this at age nineteen, these are it's not
formative yours, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
No, but it is. It is like it's that thought
I remember being like, who is the mand that I'm
going to be? You know what? I mean, because it's
still like I'm a kid coming out of this thing
that I'm like, I've moved through life this way, I'm
going to have to figure out how to move through
life that way. It would only make sense that this
would inform it. And I remember telling Dave a couple
times like, Oh, this curiosity that as I's having, I'm

(39:27):
having in my own life. And so I'm seeing it
show up more and more. I think surely were informed
by the way some people their whole life was changed
by seeing a movie or having a stroke of kindness
from someone in middle school, whatever it is, can have
an effect on someone. Why wouldn't something we did for
five years that we really deluded ourselves to believe is

(39:49):
true not affect us and kind of make us who
we are. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, very interesting stuff. And so one last little I
wanted to point out of this episode, which going back
to Ezra and Kanaan, because we talked about how Canaan's
resistance to joining this bigger group, this really whole thing
of PTSD, but also the rigidity of how he lives
his life. He's like, Hey, I found something I'm comfortable with.

(40:15):
I don't want to change it. What's the point of
changing it now? In contrasts with Ezra, who still has
And again this is when life imitates art a little bit.
Because Freddie, Freddie, who we've all gotten to know very
well the past, you know, a decade or so, knows
a lot of stuff, you know, like and he's very
much like, I'm good with who I am. I'm good
with this. If you're going to give me more information, cool,

(40:37):
But I know what works for me, and there's nothing
there's nothing wrong with that. That's just who he is
and and it works very well for him. But then
I remember, and I don't know if like, I'm sure
it's fine if I tell this story. I remember at
celebration in twenty nineteen, and I remember me, Taylor and
Freddi were just in there, you know, talking to whatever.
And then remember Taylor had to go to do like
a signing, and Freddie turning. He goes man like. I

(40:58):
love that kid, like he's he's just he's more like
curious and searches for more answers than I ever could.
I wonder if he knows how much I admire him.
And then I so I thought of that when I
see Ezra and Kanaan in this episode because I'm like
kan Is where he's like, I don't want to change,
but I was just like, well, hold on, like why not?
Why can't we go this direction? What could happen if

(41:20):
we go here? And I feel like it's my writing
mentor taught me is something called reflection characters, where there's
a character that's like, if you make a certain choice,
that's the direction you can go. And if Ezra leans
into when we first met him, which is I'm going
to be the loner I don't need to do for
lying anybody, he may go Canaan's path where he's seeing
where it led Canaan, which isn't a bad place, but

(41:42):
I was like, well, what's going to work better for me?
And you start to see him grow into his own person,
So it just to me it was very subtle but
also art imitating life because I do remember that conversation
with Freddie, which Freddy, if I didn't have your permission
to tell that story, we can talk about it, but
I think it's okay.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
That's very very sweet, and to Freddy's credit, I mean,
been such an amazing person for me and spoken to
me through times when I was like questioning different things.
He expressed this to me in person, which I think
is a very sweet thing that we don't do, and
it has encouraged me through the last ten years of

(42:20):
my life to do the same with friends or just
people I admired or had any thought about, because I
remember when he expresses similar sentiment. I was like, Oh,
it's very powerful for you to say that as well,
and it's really affecting me in a way that you
just have to be a very confident person to even
sort of have that thought and then express it to someone.

(42:41):
And that's one of the coolest things about Freddie as well.
And he knows how much I admire and respect him.
It's it's very sweet.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Yeah, so again, I know this is this episode all
of a sudden.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
This is so sweet. You guys given me the feels.
Feel do you feel I just have to ask, do
you feel a similarity the same way about Taylor? No? Mean, like,

(43:16):
I mean, I see so many similarities. You're so smart,
your fashion is so on point, and you you really
do you. You don't talk the talk, you walk the walk.
And I feel that Sabine is so fierce in that way.
And I still can't get over her wardrobe in this season.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
I mean the checkerboard, the like selector checkerboard stuff on
her shoulder.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
I mean it was just like, do you look at
that and go chef's kiss? Well, thank you.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
That's all very kind of you, truly, I mean that's
that's you.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Also probably don't see yourself as well as other people can,
because I don't see myself like do you feel it?

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Though? I think that I always have thought.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
I mean, look, I I feel a real kinship with
Sabina and I have I always have. It didn't take
me a while to get there, Like it was like
pretty immediate. I think her like sass is a dumb word.
I don't mean sas, but her like spunk, her like

(44:20):
you know, just her sort of energy and like that, I.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Was like, oh I get it. It clicks, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I've always thought like, I mean, she is like the
most bad ass, and so do I necessarily think I'm
that badass? No, because she's the coolest. But I think
the thing that I've always has always yeah, I mean
her fashion sense is sick and I love that. But
I think the thing that's resonated with me and I
don't want to sound hokey or anything, but I feel

(44:50):
like ever since I was a kid, I feel like
I have always had this sense of, like.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I don't want to sound like.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Self congratulatory or something, but like I've always had a
clear sense of like fighting the good fight and not
being sort of swayed by people's opinion of doing that,
and for better.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Or for worse, listen, like.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
That has gotten me, you know, into trouble from time
to time, especially on social media, but not being sort
of not shying away from doing what you feel is
right just because it might be like an unpopular thing
to do or whatever. And so for that, like that

(45:40):
thing about Sabine where she is willing to fight and
do what's right and you know, never mind the haters
or the naysayers, like that always kind of felt really
I felt a kinship with that.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
But yeah, I mean she's much cooler than me. But
thank you. I really that means a lot coming from you. Yeah,
you're so outspoken about stuff and no, no, no, no,
not at all. And I know what you're talking about.
It's just the way certain people are constructed. And when
I said earlier, I'm constructed to want to do the

(46:14):
right thing. I didn't mean to sound self congratulatory either,
but no, I didn't think you did. Yeah. But but
I'm saying like it's it's an awareness that I wasn't.
I wasn't aware that that is something I can't un do.
It's like it's just how I see just part of you.
But I see that with you as well, Like even
even once Sabine in season one is like, I want
to know more. I went to a school where they

(46:35):
didn't tell me anything, and I was billing something to
harm people. I need to know more. The fact that
that's so you to absolutely not agree to no, and
I ask questions. Absolutely, Oh, I love that. I love
that though, I mean it sort of speaks to that
like that does casting know us better than we know ourselves.
We have a vague understanding of who we are and

(46:56):
how we're built, but not to the point of like intrinsic.
I don't know anyway, I just I was curious if
that were true for you as well. So thank you
for answering that. Well.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
It is fascinating to think. I mean, like, is it
art imitating life? Is it life imitating art? I say
it all the time with us because like you know,
when we're talking Taylor, what you were talking about earlier,
I wonder if part of that was like how old
you were, being the youngest of all of us, and like,

(47:28):
I think I think you were nineteen?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Am I wrong? Okay?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
So you were?

Speaker 2 (47:34):
I mean nineteen is a very formative time in one's life,
I think.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
And so I wonder if.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Your age and where you were in your life, you know,
kind of created that situation where like playing Ezra informed
where you were and how and how you were and
how you kind of matured a lot because of where
you were in your life. And I just like, when

(48:04):
we're talking about casting, oh you know, did they know?
I don't know if they knew, but gosh, like it
just really worked out because like I know you guys
so well and I've known you for so long, but
it never fails to I mean, I know we talk
about this all the time, but I truly like it
never fails to amaze me when I'm watching Ezra and

(48:26):
I'm like, I mean, that's just Taylor.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
That's just Taylor.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
And and same for Hararah, and same for watching Freddy
in this episode. Sorry, watching Canaan in this episode, I'm like,
I miss Freddy. That's just Freddie being Freddie, like the
the snarky equips or the like funny like one.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Liners and then that like.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Kind of nurturing big brotherly I know, space Dad, but
to me, big brotherly dynamic or that that that energy.
It's like casting hats off to you because I just
don't know how else.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
I just think that it's so synergistic in the best
way possible.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
I agree one hundred percent. And I think credit to
the writing to stuff too, because I'm sure they see
parts of you coming out. They retrofit it to your
personalities and then that goes into the character. There's this
clip I've seen a one car wile the Hong Kong filmmaker.
He says, Look, the best way you can help an
actor out is like make sure you retrofit the character
to them. Don't try to make like mold them into

(49:28):
this thing. You can meet it in the middle of
somewhere because an actor is going to make their choices
and because because of like the hire personality they have.
But as a director and as a writer, you retrofit
it to what they are, and then the two become
one sort of thing. And with that. That's why I
can't agree that s Being is cooler than you Tea,
because without you, Sabine doesn't exist. But we have somebody

(49:49):
who can fact check all of that, and I think
that is a great segue to our do I say,
our favorite part of the segment, which is check with
our guy, jac What have we on today?

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (50:01):
Well, I came in having watched the episode just with
my mouth open, so I didn't have anything. But you guys,
you guys got me some stuff to talk about here. Vanessa,
you said you felt like you missed a season like that,
there was a huge gap between season one and season two.
You guys were embedded now, and I wanted to say

(50:23):
before I answer that with a monetary answer, a lot
of that is just Star Wars style, Like when you're
watching a New Hope in nineteen seventy seven, the line
General Knoba years ago, you served my father in the
Clone Wars. Now he begs you for your help and
a struggle against the Empire. I regret to inform you
blah blah blah, like you don't know what Princess Leah
is talking about. You're like Clone Wars?

Speaker 3 (50:44):
What what? What? Like?

Speaker 6 (50:46):
George Lucas's style is just to drop you in the
middle of something that's happening, in the middle of everything. Hence,
like starting with episode four, you know, traveling through hyperspace
ain't like Dustin Crop's Boy. Without precise ploculations, we could
fly right through a supernova, bounce too close to a start.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
You're like, what are you talking about, Harrison Ford.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
So with all that being said, it's like a few months.
Like a few months really, yeah, Okay, now specter numbers
how the Ghost crew came together. I've got some info
on that. Harah did acquire Chopper from a crashed wy Wing.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yeah, nice.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
And I don't think you actually saw the the rescue
of Chopper from a crash wy Wing in anything, but
what you're remembering is from Bad Batch. It did happen
in the Clone Wars and it's the Battle of Ryeloth.
You see a young Harrison Doula with Chopper by her

(51:51):
side in episode in Bad Batch. I think it's episode
eleven somebody. But it's like right around there, all right,
you are not crazy. Chopper shows up first, then you

(52:14):
apparently Hara and Chopper already had the ghosts.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
It was already a thing. With the two of them.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Then Harah found Canaan on a moon of a planet
called Gorse, And this was all outlined in John Jackson
Miller's novel A New Dawn. That is six years before
the event of Star Wars Rebels, and a little backstory

(52:43):
on that is, I guess Harah was already like starting
to move in the direction of fighting for good. Canaan
was trying to hide from the Empire. He was a
freighter pilot. Haarah hired some thugs to do a thing
and they kind of like betrayed her, and then Canaan
showed up and kind of helped haraa out, and you know,

(53:07):
the rest is history. Many many years later, Jason shows up.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Can I ask a quick, quick question, Yes, Does that
mean that once upon a time Haah was working for
not good?

Speaker 6 (53:22):
No, it just means like she had kind of started
tracking what the Empire was doing and like putting action
into resistance against that.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Well, I'm not thinking her father's view on freedom fighting
is very different from hers. She was already a freedom fighter,
if you will, if I can use that term. She
went like full blown hardcore beyond what her dad felt,
I believe, and so she was always on the side
of good. But I think she came to meet Fulcrum

(53:56):
and divorced herself from her father's methods and sort of
found her own version of that. Isn't that correct? I
mean she committed to something that was other than her
father and lived to prove that her way was better
and right. Hence the big scene between the two of
them that will get to where they have an argument

(54:17):
about fighting for freedom and how you acquire it.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Wait, does that mean that Harah has been in contact
with Fulkrum the entire time that all of season one,
unbeknownst to us, unbeknownst to the audience too.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, Yeah, I think that was
my impression.

Speaker 6 (54:34):
I don't have any like, I can't quote page something
of a book, but my impression is is that Harrah
has been getting intel from Fulkrum all along.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
I don't think I realized that anyway.

Speaker 6 (54:49):
And then just a little background on Zeb, I guess
kind of the There isn't a lot of information on
Zeb's origin outside of what's said in the show. I
believe at some point in the show it was mentioned
that Canaan found Zeb buried under rubble after the Battle
of Lassaut or whatever and rescued him and that's how

(55:11):
he he joined up.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
But there's no time frame that I could find on that.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
And as far as like what's up with the specter
order of Hera and Chopper existed for many, many years
before Canaan came into the mix, I think Vanessa kind
of like hit it on the head. And also if
it's just like you and you're droid, like I don't know.
I had a dog for a long time and I
was never like me and my dog are a crew.
But as soon as you have as soon as you

(55:38):
have three people, then you're a crew. Yeah, you're a family.
But two people are a couple, right, And it'd be
weird if, like I mean, I guess there's like Benefer
and those types of couples that get names, but like,
you know, unless you're Ben Affleck, I don't know if
you're getting.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
A couple name for you and your robot.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
That's really it.

Speaker 6 (56:02):
The other things that just struck me about this episode
was like there's murder in it, Like they murdered somebody
when they blew up the shuttle.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I was like, whoa, yeah, going hard so.

Speaker 6 (56:13):
Two flashbacks, right, yeah, yeah, it was very like Corde
from episode two. Also, just Ezra and Canaan and Stormtrooper
disguise is so Star Wars. You see that over and
over again. Lando's in disguise, priss Le is in disguise, obviously,
Han and Lucar in disguise. A lot of disguises in
Star Wars, So that was cool. And I also just
want to say it feels like the start of episode two,

(56:35):
the Ghost Cruise, like leveling up, wherein all of episode
one they're not They're playing small ball, right, It's just like,
let's just go do this thing. Let's just go do
this thing. Let's just go do this thing. And now
it's like, oh no, we're gonna fight Darth Vader. That's
like we are now the main like we are the

(56:56):
all stars of the Rebel Alliance going out and getting
the thing done, which I thought was pretty cool. John,
you mentioned Socrates for the people who aren't as philosophically inclined.
You may know Socrates better as so Crates from Bill
and Ted's excellent Adventure, Same Guy, Same guy. And I

(57:17):
had one question for you guys, because this just happened
to me. Last weekend at a birthday party during the
Q and A a couple episodes or maybe last episode,
there's Dan from Chicago. I was at a party and
Dan from Chicago showed up, which was wild, Like, yeah,
last weekend, and so have you guys been to a

(57:38):
convention or anything and actually had an interaction with somebody
who wasn't like Star Wars rebels. They were like Pod
of Rebellion, Like if you had the podcast interaction with
somebody yet, yes, really, yes.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
I was just at a convention a couple of weeks ago,
this small one in Alabama, and the people that came
to my table, because I've done small stuff on like
Star Trek and stuff like that, and Star Trek is
very popular. There's a whole Star Trek collective in Alabama,
so I figured anyone coming there is going to talk
about Star Trek. I would say ninety percent of the
people that came to my table was Potter Rebellion or
that was pretty scary. My other podcast, it was very

(58:15):
little the movies I've been in, so it's out there.
It is out there.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
It's cool. I've had it too. I haven't been too
many pod or conventions since we started this, but the
one that I did, I'm going to say a dozen
people probably, And the thing that really kind of kicked
me with it is they were re listening to episodes
a part of Rebellion, which I don't even rewatch like

(58:39):
shows or movies, so that that was a real trip
to me that they're like, They're like, yeah, when I
drive to work, I'll listen to episodes just on repeat.
And I thought it was so sweet. And also I
was like, well, I'm going to shape up a little
on the podcast something. They'll love to.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Get it together Saylor, Yeah, exactly what people are listening.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
It was neat.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
I have gotten a lot of I mean again, not
that I am famous or anything, but when people do
recognize me, it's a lot of Kevin Smith podcast and
it's a lot of skim and villainy. It was very
interesting to be like part of Rebellion JC and I
was like, WHOA, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
O cool cool.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I have not been anywhere recently.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I've just been reclused in my ass.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
No, I just haven't been on to any convention since
we started this thing. But that's really exciting and encouraging,
and I feel like saying thanks for listening you guys,
I know we.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Say we're here to make her commute just that much
better hopefully. Well thanks JCS. Unless there's more you have
yet this week we'll put you. Don't worry. We got
the next week's a heavy episodes, so you're probably gonna
have your work cutout for you. But thank you everybody.
We're officially in season two of Star Wars Rebels and

(01:00:01):
we're so happy to be here. We're so happy that
you're here listening, and just keep on listening because it's
only going to keep on getting better. Where we know
that you loved having Ashy x sdein here and then
James Arnold Taylor. There are going to be more guests
coming on, and not just from the Star Wars universe.
Just to just letting you know that we're going to
have some fun, fun people joining the fun here. I

(01:00:21):
just said fun a lot of times, so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
It's gonna be so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
That's gonna be so fun.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Yeah, fun, fun, fun like the Beach Boys song. Anyways,
tune in next week we're going to go over part
two of Cglatha. But until then, Taylor's got the magic
words here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
The music.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
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