September 30, 2025 • 47 mins
From Hera flying the B-wing to the Mon Calamari that looks like Mr. Feeny from Boy Meets World to the homages to the movie 'The Rocketeer' to how much we need Hera's monologue now more than ever. All this plus more is discussed!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My dad, of course, was in the Air Force and
he's a pilot and has always taught me sort of
the value of flight. And when I explain how much
it means to me in the episode that that meant
a lot. And I dedicated that scene to my father
and we grew closer as a result of that. It
was very special for me.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hi, everyone, you're listening to Pot of Rebellion. This is
ts Or Car voice of Sabine Wren, Specter five, and
I'm not by myself today.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
With us we have Hey, everybody, what's up? It's Vanessa Marshall,
the voice of Harrison Doula, Specter two. And I am
thrilled to have this next guest who's generally here, Signora?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Taylor Grade here, specter six, and that is with us,
we also have everybody.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
It's Johny Brody, your friendly neighborhood moderator for the Pot
of Rebellion. And today we are going over season two,
episode seven, Wings of the Master. Here we go or
hang on before we jump in, how is everybody doing?
As always we like to do our check in. This
isn't just me checking in with Vanessa, Ta and Taylor, everybody.
This is us checking in with you are incredible listeners
(01:24):
because we do care. We are one big family.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm doing well. I hope everyone that's listening is also
doing well. How are you guys doing.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, you'll have to let us know in our in
our socials.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I'm doing well. It's a while. It's been a wild
world lately, so hanging on with.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Feeling the absurdity of it all, which is only fun
and entertaining in the end.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think, well, listen, that's why we have Star Wars.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Right too, exactly, to either completely try and ignore what's
happening in the real world, or to help us reflect
on what's happening in the real world and maybe find
some connections.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Help us get through it.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
It's just crazy.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Like going and seeing movies lately, I'm like, well, the
steaks and the drama of the world are higher than
the stakes and the drama of dramas and Shakespearean tragedies
that we're trying to write. We can't even write things
that are as crazy as the world. So it has
a little bit of like a I guess that's interesting
for that character.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I rewat I digress a it, but I rewatched in
Glorious Bastards a couple of nights ago, and I hadn't
seen it in a really long time, and.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
It felt good. It felt really good.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
That's all, and not at all relevant to anything happening.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
It felt really good. And wow, what a great movie.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
If you haven't seen it, if you're listening out there
and you haven't seen Quentin Tarantino's and Glorious Bastards, highly recommend.
It's a fund a two and a half hour fun
ride masterpiece.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
That that basement scene with the three, like, that's probably
one of the best crafted scenes ever done in cinema.
Speaker 8 (03:10):
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, it's one of my Like, it's a moment in
cinema that I remember so vividly and will forever like that.
That the number three. If you're if you've if you know,
you know, if you've seen it, you know.
Speaker 8 (03:24):
That the strudle those are the two with the cream.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Oh my god, Christoph Waltz Man, give that man a raise.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, anyway back to Star Wars.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
So I guess with that we should probably jump into
this little recap. I'm gonna try and go quick on
this one because this is a big episode, especially for you, Vanessa,
both your character but also for you personally. And I
know some of that, and I know I don't know
if all our listeners know all of it. But we're
gonna be able to share it today and I can't
wait to hear what your thoughts are on it. So
here we go, Season two, Episode seven, The Wings of
the Master. Original er date November eleven, twenty fifteen, Written
(03:58):
by Stephen Melching. Now, Stephen, and this guy's like a legend,
I'm telling you when it comes to writing. This man
is a legend. Drug at like X Batman x Man
animated series, Transformers, Prime, Guardians of the Galaxy, which you
work on with him as well, Right, But as ye
look at this man's IMDb, he's done it all. But
he's written some of the best episodes of Star Wars rebels,
(04:19):
including this one, where he just finds these themes of
identity and philosophy and emotional stakes, and you know, carves
out new corners of Star Wars in a world that's
so well carved out. He somehow finds new ways to
tell these stories and uncover things that work covered before
and make the invisible visible. So we want to give
our flowers to Stephen Melching, because very rarely do writers
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get their flowers, let alone writers in the world of animation.
So Stephen Melching, many flowers headed your way. And we
are not sponsored by one hundred Flowers, but we could
be sponsorship.
Speaker 8 (04:54):
I could do.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
I think we could all use some floral arrangements courtesy
of one hundred Flowers.
Speaker 8 (04:58):
So here we go.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Here comes the recap for season two, episode seven, Wings
in the Master, The Phoenix Squadron is on a world
spentral kitchen like quest to deliver food to the starving
people of Eyebar, but on the way, they run into
an Empire blockade led by none other than Zeb's front
of me slash potential lover agent Kallis. The corrupt Empires
determined to block this charitable mission.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
Whether they corupt bureaucratic weighs.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Something that's totally unrelatable to anything that's ever happened in
real life or in current life anyways. Unfortunately for Phoenix
Squadron and the people of Ibar, the Empire's strong defense
is also a very powerful offense, and this leads to
a failed mission. The Phoenix Squadron, like the Chicago Bears
and needed a new playbook and strategy if they're able
to supply aid to the people of Ibar in time.
(05:38):
Turns out, Rex knows a guy who may be able
to help. A reclusive engineer on Shantopol named Kory Corey
has built a prototype starfighter that could be the ultimate
game changer, but it needs the perfect pilot. Harra steps up,
but is met with skepticism from the monk Kalamari inventor.
But after delivering a monologue for the Ages and a
very successful test fight that invoked nostalgical modist to the
(05:59):
movie The Rocketeer, it is clear that Corey's earlier skepticism
was misplaced. Now it's showtime. The rebels head back towards Ibar,
but this time the Empire is the one out match.
As Hara unleashes the fully operational weaponry of the B Wing,
the battle is won, and like the Stevie Wonders song,
the foods to the people of Iyebar is signed, sealed, delivered,
and when all said and done, the episode wraps up
(06:19):
with the confirmation of something that everyone, including the Phoeis Squadron,
already knew, that Hara is the true leader and keep
one of the group, but now it's further solidified with
the official title and promotion. Apparently, working conditions and opportunities
for women to actually move up in the workplace were
much better a long time ago in a galaxy far
far away. And that's the recap for Seeding two, Episode seven,
The Wings of the Masters Boast. As always, that was
(06:45):
a fun one to get going, but I was trying
to keep it brief because there's so much unpacking this episode,
and I feel like, let's just jump right in because Vanessai,
I've heard you talk about the interviews and I've talked
to you about this personally. This is like, you know,
this is your big moment. This is like I would say,
your favorite moment for your character is the bee wing thing.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes, definitely, for for a number of reasons. My dad,
of course, was in the Air Force, and he's a
pilot and has always taught me sort of the value
of flight. And when I explain how much it means
to me in the episode, that that meant a lot,
and I dedicated that scene to my father and we
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grew closer as a result of that.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
It was very.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Special for me, and also that it was her explaining
the meaning of flight, the value of flight that made
Quarry yield and allow her to fly the plane. I've
always had a tremendous respect for pilots in general. I mean,
I think they're very much like Harah herself. Harah has
(07:51):
an ability to focus a way that I wish I had.
You know, I'm distracted by shiny beads, you know, occasionally,
and he is always able to stay on mission. And
you know, unfortunately for her in season four, she's a
little too focused on other things that she misses, kind
of the work life balance stuff. But you know, that's
for later, but for now. Also, as a Star Wars fan,
(08:14):
Corey Burton, cad Baine, Dooku, I mean, come on, y'all,
I just was freaking out to be near such talent.
He is incredible, and so that was also an honor.
But I remember talking to Dave Filoni about this sort
of ethos that the pilots have and he said, it's
(08:36):
very similar to men of the Sea people, you know,
captains and what have you, that there's this similar sort
of I don't know, it's kind of a code. And
Dave had experienced that with one of his uncles and
that there's just kind of you you have to pay
attention otherwise, you know, lives can be lost. It's a
very it can be a dangerous endeavor to sort of
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go out to see or to take flight, so there's
again that level of focus and also care for other
people or birds or fish. You know, there's sort of
a hyper awareness that these pilots or sea captains have,
and I thought that was interesting. I wasn't aware. I
(09:20):
don't know many seafaring individuals, so I did not know that,
but I thought that was really interesting. And he sort
of based Quarry on his uncle, so it just was
interesting to me that there was this kind of family
history that was quite personal Todave and also for me
with my father. When I finished the episode last night,
(09:40):
I actually texted melching. I was sobbing by the end
of the episode. It was just so beautifully written. And
of course, as a Star Wars fan, it's a bee Wing,
so hello. That's also quite for the Battle of Endor
and all the things that were to come that follow
this sort of minute portion of the overall saga that
(10:03):
this new ship is quite impactful in the future. That
meant a lot to me as well, to sort of
be a part of its beginning, and so there were
there were so many things going on for me personally,
in terms of my family, in terms of my fandom,
there was just a lot going on. But overall flowers
(10:27):
to Steve Melching, indeed, because he really nailed that that
sort of very spiritual reward that comes with flying. And
you know when she says that when things are falling
apart or blowing up in space, that's when I'm at
my best. And I think pilots had that very same
ability to focus and I deeply appreciate that. And thank
(10:51):
you to anyone who's listening who's served in any Air
Force veterans. You have all my whole heart. And yeah,
so it it's a pretty heavy episode.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Also, you crushed that speech. I thought that speech was awesome.
I don't I imagine we were there for but I don't.
I don't remember that specific speech. I was just curious
what you thought like about that. Seeing that again, I
thought it was that was really good.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, I thought it was. And I know I was
thinking of my father and how much he taught me
that my whole life, he's been trying to instill those values.
I mean, not to go fight people in the sky.
But you know, but that there is value to getting
perspective that when we were stuck here on Earth, we
are sort of sucked into the minutia of life, and
it's really important to expand and sort of see the
(11:39):
whole picture and see our very tiny but important place
within humanity. But that that that perspective is key to
sort of transcendence or detachment. And he's not of any
sort of religious denomination whatsoever, but and I don't even
know what you would call those values. He was constantly
reading Jonathan Livingstone Seagull and like putting it under my pillow,
(12:02):
and it was like a thing, believe me. So I
felt like this speech was me letting him know that
I got the message so much so that I think
it might have got me cast in this very special
chosen family scenario where I'm flying this epic ship that
later is in the Battle of Vendor. I mean, my goodness,
there's it doesn't get read.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
That ship ends up as one of the main ships
in and.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Or not not Maine. But it's key later in the
things that I saw growing up.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh sick, that was the prototype for the B Wing,
right like that.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Like that guy was building a be wing.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So this is like the pre the pre or like
the PREA.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
In the first three movies then the well.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
It was briefly in Return of the Jedi, but because
the compositing like technology wasn't all there, they couldn't feature
it heavily. But technically and JC can fact checked me
on this technically.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Or sorry, sorry I meant one, two three, sorry. Yeah, yeah,
because if if he was creating it for hair like
that hair flew on the first ones, then four five.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
What a cool origin story that we got to have
on our show. Like, that's sick if I'm ay, I mean,
Taylor already said it. But Vanessa, you're always fabulous and
like next level. But and I know that this, I
know how near and dear to your heart this episode is.
But I it kind of it's been so long since
(13:38):
I watched it. I kind of got to watch it
a little bit with fresh eyes, just because I know
how important it is to you, and you talk about
it in like, you know, interviews and Q and a's
and stuff, so I've heard you talk about it, but
I hadn't watched it myself in such a long time.
Oh man, you knocked it out of the park. That
(13:59):
monologue was so moving and so beautiful. And I know
you know what you just shared with all of us
about your dad.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And him being a pilot, But.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I didn't remember the monologue itself, so getting to rewatch it,
I was so moved by it. And like when you say,
I left my family so.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I could fly. Yeah, really something, lady.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, thanks, And if I may, I'm going to read
a quote to you. This is a quote that came
to mind when I rewatched this and listen to that monologus.
I speak all the same feel all the same feelings
that everyone's expressing here, but this is what I think
of especially, and I feel like your monologue encapsulate this.
So it's a quote. When my brothers try to draw
a circle to exclude me, I shall draw a larger
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circle to include them. Where they speak up for the
privileges of a puny group, I shall shout for the
rights for all mankind. From doctor Paul Murray. That's really
what Harra is saying because of how she grew up
on Ryloth how and I know the backstory wasn't all
established at this point, but now that because we know
it it hits like that now because of how her
(15:07):
father of you things like let me look out for
rilof or hair, is like, no, I'm going to look
out for everybody, because that's what everyone deserves. And I
wanted to share that. And also because you three are
very well read and well spoken and just kind of
plant that there, and if that invoked any sort of
feelings hereing that and applying.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
That to the monologue, I would just live your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, well, that's that's an incredible quote, and that is
exactly what happened. And I think we'll see her address
that with her father eventually here when when she really
gets into it with charm There are different views that
you know, his his view was a little bit more
myopic and hers was galactic, if you will, which I
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think is kind of what children do with their parents'
plans sometimes, which is I guess how we grow as
a people. But sometimes there's discord and hopefully they're there
is healing ultimately from that. But that that's really beautiful, John,
Thank you for sharing that. It does encapsulate her path
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and how much it meant to her that she would
leave her family in order to accomplish those things. Which
is uh. I respect her a lot for.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That, Noble. I've not heard that quote before and I'm
going to need you to send it to me or
I can look it up.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
But because it means a lot that that's really.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Poignant and also without you know, getting into the nitty gritty,
like so timely right like, shouldn't we all be drawing
a bigger circle to be more inclusive right about now?
So thanks for sharing that applicable not just to this
episode and not just to Harrah and her family back
(16:55):
on Rye Love, but also maybe to us in the
real world.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Whatever do you mean to you?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I'll call you later.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
That'll be for the after Dark episode where you can
get and get in real D. But yeah, just the
other reason I really love that monologue is because you know,
she's met with this skepticism from Corey and I know
in a lesser show, in a lesser writer's hands and
a lesser show, I think Hair would have been maybe
come up with some more like pick me, pick me,
which how women are often portrayed in these situations.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
But it wasn't that.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
She's like, this is how I am, this is why
I do it, and if you like it, great, if
not f off.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
That's kind of the energy you give them.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
But because it's so genuine and it doesn'tencapsulate what I
feel like Doctor Polly Murray's quote is but in her
own hair away because it's her own backstory, it doesn't
come off as that. But you run that risk a
lot of times when you're trying to write a monologu
or a scene like that. And that's why it's like Melching,
it's like, dude, this guy is incredible, you know, and
then then twenty two animated show to pack all that in.
(18:03):
They make it look so easy, but it's like it's
hard enough to try to do that in like a
ninety minute movie only twenty two minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Also, I totally agree, but like it's the combination of
Melching's writing and Vanessa's performance that makes it, and obviously
the animation and such, but like that combination keeps it
from being pick me, pick me, but also being like
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arrogant to the point of being off putting, like being
being having Cubris.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's neither.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
It's like beautifully down the middle where it's like, listen,
I am the right one for this job.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And that's about that.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
So either you recognize that and give me the shot,
or you don't, but them's the brains. But it's like, so,
it's so, it's it's great because I always, you know,
I just I know. I kind of talk about this
a lot about how important it is for little girls
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and little boys to be able to see characters like
Kara and and see these these like really strong capable
women who are not relying on a man to come
and save them from the big bad whatever. But especially
in this context where it's like no, no, she is
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the most qualified and she knows it, and and and
like there's no bravado, there's no braggadociousness.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And it's also not like ooh ooh, let me, let me,
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's it's something completely different, and I think so welcome
to see because we don't always get to see female
characters like that or that in those situations advocating for
themselves and their and their abilities like that.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Who would have flown it if they erged?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Great question?
Speaker 7 (20:03):
Who?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Who knows?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I think it's another really great life lesson for kids
to witness that by just being authentic, by by by
literally committing to being who you are, you get where
you're supposed to be, because I don't even think I
think she had sort of given up on him at
that point. I didn't even see her as like, look,
this is who I am. I felt that she was
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just getting wistful about what she cares about. And I think,
if if I were a parent, I would love for
my child and in turn for myself to see that
it's really it's really when you do have an agenda
that things go the way you like. It's when you're
being true to yourself and honoring your values and your
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ethics that things fall where they where they're meant to fall,
and that that that level of dedication to ideals and
meant to being true to oneself I think has a
greater impact on getting stuff done. And it's not about
the results, it's about being in the process. For some reason,
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that just feels like one of those Star Wars lessons
that you know, lesser writers, how do you encapsulate the
magic that is? You know, take, for example, I've mentioned
them before, the Critical Role folks. They were following their
joy and they came together as friends and you know,
got a D and D group together, and this and that,
and now it's given birth to a cartoon series, and
(21:32):
all these things had nothing to do with the night
they first sat there and said let's play. And from
play followed so much fun for so many people. And
you know, that seems to sound like I'm trying to monetize.
I'm not saying that at all. But what I'm saying
is that what I take from that is follow your
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joy and the rest will follow. And I get that
from this. And it's impossible sometimes to write that into being,
but Melching did it perfectly with a kind of detachment
that was really elegant and graceful. And I just, man,
I just went on and on in this text last night.
To him, it was just such a It was a
(22:14):
wonderful ride for us as viewers, and I realized we
were in it. But still, by the way, Tia, did
you say hang on like four times? Because I think
as far as like the drinking game goes, dude, I
think you really I wrote it.
Speaker 8 (22:26):
I wrote it.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I said, wait me, I finally, I don't think i've
ever seen it said hang on before on as Sabine.
I mean that could be.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I was like, oh, that's that's what that feels like
or is that a miss or is that I.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Think it's the next episode? Actually, oh maybe it is.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Sorry, Yeah, but that's also the sibling dynamic because remember
Ezra says Carabas in the first episode of the season,
So it's like you see that sort of spawning off
into the other characters, which is really fun since.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
We're talking about melching and his beautiful writing. I would
also just say that the like jabs in this episode
really great. There's like a lot of crazy stuff happening,
and yet you know, like right out the gate, like
at the very top of the show or this episode rather,
there's like high drama, quite a bit of violence, I
(23:16):
would say, an unusual amount of like what we get
to see. And then what is Freddy said, I mean,
sorry Kanaan say. He says like, well, you're both co
irritating me right now or whatever, like copilot, I'm co pilot,
tell him I'm co pilot.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
He says, well, you're co irritating me. I don't know.
I thought that was very funny.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And then like the dissent when you're trying to land
the thing on the on the whatever that's called rickety,
Like what is that called landing strip. Everyone's got jokes.
I just think it's like delightful. It's just a fun
It's just fun. It's just fun.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Watching, don't I don't know?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And by sorry, I meant to say this earlier, but
then I didn't want to interrupt you. Corey Burton is
so good as fish yet well that amount of fish.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It's a mon calamari? Did I do it right? Although
I do have a question Calamari calamari are not fish?
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Calm is this.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Way it's a I mean it's just quid.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yes, yeah, I actually have a question.
Speaker 9 (24:31):
For often do they do that in Star Wars like
call you know, a thing another thing squid at calamari?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well, or just like.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Use words that exist, right, that's not that's that's.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Like you could call Sabine klamari and you'd be like, oh,
it's just a fun name. But if.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
That's it's on the nose, it's really on I was
gonna ask jac or any of you guys.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
When hold on.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Oh who says does Harris say he's been out of
the water too long?
Speaker 10 (25:13):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
No, no, no, sorry sorry, Zeb says he's been out of
the water too long? Are mon Calamari like sea creatures.
I'm confused.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I believe their planet is underwater. I don't. I don't
know that they are. I think they can do well
in either place. I don't think I think he's being facetiously.
That guy's been off the Yeah, oh I just okay,
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Amphibious humanoid, their aquatic.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Species, aquatic species. Okay, thank you?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
All right?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Oh oh, sorry not to make this about oh oh sorry, sorry,
too many thoughts.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I loved this episode. I ha took a million notes.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
The other question I had for JC or any of
the three of you, so what did tarodactyl thingies on
this planet?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That's got to be for I don't want something to do.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Don't steal this thunder this time. I know you know it,
but can you get take it easy?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I know, come let I'll let the be squad in ow.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I was just.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I had completely forgotten that this this quote that is
by far my most asked for, most requested quote to
sign to autograph for folks when I meet people in
real life, it is from this episode.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
So when I when Sabine says it, I was like, oh,
that's that's what it's from. I had completely forgotten. It's
never it's never get.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Between a Mandalorian and a weapons package.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Oh yeah, I wrote that down too. I love it
so much.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I had just forgotten where and when she I said it,
and so I was. I was thrilled when it happens
in this episode.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yeah, Cory's just hearing it from everybody because zeb wants
to throw him over. And then he's like, he's telling
you not to tell You're like no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
He's like this sweet, curmudgeonly old grandpa type and I
don't know, like a kooky cookie grand uncle, crazy, mad
scientist kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Yeah, he almost looks like mister Feenie from this World. Yes,
that's what I kept thinking of. But he kind of
talks like the caterpillar from Elison one and then you.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
And then that.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
At the same time, he looks like dinner Tomorrow night.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
It was like the caterpillar from else in Wonderland and
and she woke the little Gnome and neverending story like.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
Well he's awake now, Yeah, that's what he had. All
those It was like an amalgamation of all those yas.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Wow, John, your brain is a wonderful place. And you are.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I'm gonna deem you the King of references because you
reference stuff and I'm like, oh, yes, exactly, which is
why I was just like squealing. Sorry, that was probably
really loud, Jacon. Maybe you can turn my voice.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Down for the listeners at home.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yes, yes, all of those completely accurate, and some mishmash
of all of those characters in this guy.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
But he's adorable. Dare I say adorable.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
He's mister Feenie.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
We're like Phoene, Like you want to do the Phoenie
call with your buddy Will coined Vanessa.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
That's right? What means the world? So real quick?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
This is my contribution to fact checking, and JC can
film a lot of the blanks here. But it's funny
that this is technically, I think, the first canonical explanation
of where the bee wing came from. But so you
mentioned a critical role is fittingly enough in US, and
I do feel like this is how Kismeth this episode
is because a lot of the references are to the
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original Star Wars role playing game, which I owned. I
still have all the source books at my mom's house
from this little company called West End Game, so any
of our or maybe older listeners. I may be earning
some street cred with you all, because I know a
lot of people knew West End games and there was
a source book that had this very brief backstory on
the B Wing and it was basically like Admiral Akbar
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was the one that like said we had to craft
some sort of starship to go against the Empire's big weapon,
and that was kind of like an unofficial backstory. I
think that's considered legends continuity, which again JC, he'll fill
in those blanks. So that's what I knew as the
B Wing backstory. And but I just feel like it's
so fitting that even something like Shantapol. There was something
(29:34):
called like Mission Chantafl or Project Shantapole. It was an
adventure book which I had that as well as part
of the role playing game. And all these nods from Chantapol,
and I believe Corey is a nod to Ralph McCrory
because of the way they spell it. But the fact
that you had this Monk Calamari inventor, that's a nod
to Acbar because Acbar technically originally was the one who
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said we got to build the B Wing. So I
know that history lesson is a little all over the place,
but that's what I knew as the B Wing backstory.
But then when I saw this, I'm like, oh, that's
way better. And this is the first time I ever
heard it referred to as the blade wing because I
was always as a kid, I was like, why is
it called the B wing? It looks like a lowercase T, Like,
shouldn't it be a T wing? Like because it's like
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when I looked at it was like, it looks like
a T wing And.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Then wing stands for blade wing.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah, because it comes through right now. It's like the
Ginsu knife of the star Fleet. You know, it can
cut through a tree trunk and also the empire is Yeah.
So that that's my contribution to the fact check portion,
which again JC can fill in all the other blanks
and uh, maybe correct me if I got anything a
little bit wrong. But that's what I knew as the
(30:42):
community and Vinessa. I know how much you love RPGs.
So the fact that this backstory and Hara is the
canonical backstory, but it also has roots in the Star
Wars role playing game from nineteen eighty seven, I think
that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I cool love that. I have a couple other things
that I wrote down that I don't remember in our recording.
I was very impressed with our three point five coming in,
you know, like I was like, my goodness, we committed
to the bit. Like there were a lot of you know,
screaming at Ezra, you know, get the two point nine.
(31:18):
I don't like, as if I know what, I cannot
believe that I said those things with such efficient. Really
blown away by that, Taylor, were you remembering that we
were yelling like that or not at all?
Speaker 9 (31:29):
I feel like that no, no A, make some stuff up.
No No, I thought that that we always did that
when we gave orders.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Well, I do remember Dave Filoni saying that this he
wanted to show that things have gotten way worse for us,
Like we lose a ship, you know, the stakes are higher,
and like I remember when we had our sort of
huddle before the record, I remember him saying, like, this
episode will indicate just how much better you've gotten and
(32:01):
how much worse it's gotten for you simultaneously, and that
you need to fight even harder. And so I don't
think we've ever had that level of a threat. I
just felt like it was a more frenetic. Well, I
felt Harra was freaking out, especially when the ship was lost.
She was sort of waffling and feeling guilty that she
(32:23):
didn't save the ship, and oh, I can't go to
the you know, the new I can't go to Quarry
because I need I need to fight with you and
protect you because I did such a bad job that
day or whatever it is. It just felt like, oh,
I do remember him saying it got worse, and it
definitely felt worse and worse than I remembered. But I
(32:45):
don't know. But I also love the quips of like
your co yours hitting there. There were a number of
really funny things back and forth, even amidst in the
center of that tension. But anyway, yeah, on the.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Dec there was like back and forth amidst the yelling
and the you know, urgency, if we still found time
for jokes, which I love.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I think the moment at the end that really sort
of embodied all the feels for me as a Star
Wars fan, you know, as someone who loves flight, is
when Quarry says, oh, I built it, but you made
it sore, and then you know, she's presented with a
new title moving forward like that to me was just
(33:32):
that was really powerful for me personally, and I was
happy for the rest of us too.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, I think it was a really moving moment in
the show.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Yeah, and also fitting because Melching wrote it. But you
made it sore, Vanessa so and all, you made it
soort really, but you know that monologue. It's great on paper.
But yeah, as you know, a great scripts only give
me as good as the actor that can bring it
to life and breathe life into the character. Again, this
was just the combination of all the right things coming
(34:03):
together rather perfectly. I think this is to me, if
there's you know, you have television shows, there's always one
d latch on Dore, like with Game of Thrones, Red
Wedding Rans of Cashmere is always in the top five. Sure,
this to me is a top five. I would even
say for me personally, a top three episode. But I
not just for Star Wars Rebels, I think just all
of Star Wars in general, but also just television. This
(34:24):
is one of the best television episodes wow, that I've
ever seen, because it it checks off all the boxes
and it's just proof that no matter what the medium,
it starts with a great script and then you got
to have the right execution. So before we go to
fact check, there is one thing, because as you saw,
I mentioned The Rocketeer in my recap.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
I mentioned that for two reasons.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
One because that test flight sequence is very much like
the movie The Rocketeer, and JC you can fact checking
me on this. But one of jc's favorite movies is
also The Rocketeer, so that was also for JC. But
if you also notice the name of of Corey's droid
is BG. Now I believe that's a not that Bill George,
who is the designer, I think, the concept concept designer
(35:07):
of the B Wing. But the way it's spelled B
and G, it's spelled out like phonetically. In The Rocketeer,
he flies these planes called gbs. So I know that
JC has more information on this and he can go
much deeper into the Rocketeer lore. But I would bet
that Kevin Kiner did make a direct homage to the
(35:29):
Rocketeer score because the music is very, very similar. But
the whole BG and GB, yeah, I think maybe it's
a coincidence. But at the same time, he could have
just put the letters BG for Bill George, but he
spelled it out BG where it's GB for the airplanes
in the Rocketeer. So again, this episode has everything coming
together pretty much at the right time.
Speaker 8 (35:50):
But yeah, you're amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
You're amazing.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
We'll find out how amazing when we get to our
favorite part of the show, which is the fact check,
and that might all be moot. But JC, what do
you got for us?
Speaker 7 (36:05):
Okay, John, you're completely wrong, all.
Speaker 10 (36:07):
Right, figure are okay, let's uh, let's start with the Rocketeer. Okay, so, yes,
very much. The Rocketeer test flight music uh BG B
E E G E E is the flip of the
type of planes in The Rocketeer that they're flying at
(36:30):
the beginning of the show, how they make their money,
the kind of like a flying circus type thing. The
droid in the episode is BG DASH eight one. They
say it's a low thaal astromic droid, but typically a
droid like that with a rounded clear dome is an
(36:51):
R III unit, even though it's they don't they never
label it that in any like Rebels, lore or anything.
It is named after Bill George, who is the employee
at Industrial Lton Magic who designed the B Wing Starfighter.
He was hired by ILM in nineteen eighty one BG
(37:14):
eighty one. Also just connecting the Rocketeer back to this
a little bit. The Rocketeer was directed by Joe Johnston,
who is also one of the concept artists on Star
Wars and Empire Strikes Back and designed Boba Fet. So
(37:35):
between Boba Fet and the Rocketeer, I think it's safe
to say that Joe Johnston would be on Team Tia
in the Great Jetpack Lightsaber Wars of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
They need the votes, guys, they need the I think
we should throw a few more people on that scene.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
We don't need your charity.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I think you do, just like another team I can
think of.
Speaker 9 (38:08):
I'm not gonna say anything, but I really I don't
say an Oracle book.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
All right on record, I.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Believe you're in the middle of saying something. Yeah, we're
going to please continue.
Speaker 10 (38:22):
Yeah, well, fact check Taylor there, he's talking about arch
Manning not showing up this week.
Speaker 7 (38:30):
Let's get onto uh ranking on the be Wing.
Speaker 10 (38:35):
On the side of the be Wing it says prototype
six in or BESH, which so this is the sixth
prototype of the b Wing Starfighter. I'll go into a
little bit of the history of the b Wing which
John touched on. It is a from a West End
(38:56):
Games source book which is really really cool. There was
a research station on an asteroid that Admiral Akbar had
developed the b Wing on, and in the legends, it
was kind of a module that you would play within
the role playing game, so it had like parameters set
up and then your team had to navigate it, so
(39:20):
similar to like a like a D and D one
shot type of thing. And in that there was a
Imperial blockade that the b Wing punched through the blockade
at the end of that. So the very base level
foundation of this of this episode is awesome because for
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somebody like me or somebody like John who grew up
with this lore in the dark Ages when there was
not a lot of Star Wars out there, they kind
of honored what we grew up with while adding a
lot of complexity to it and not overdoing it by
sticking Admiral Acbar and all the characters that you know
we see later directly into it. And that is also
(40:08):
the idea of kind of like the and we talked
about this a little bit, but like kind of the
Aliens of the Galaxy kind of join the rebellion.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
Throughout the.
Speaker 10 (40:20):
History of the Galactic Civil War because the Empire becomes
increasingly more xenophobic and implements their things. So it starts
to make sense that you see a species like the
Monkelmari using their brains and dedicating their resources to the
(40:41):
rebellion at this point. And then by the time the
be Wing finally gets into production, it does not show
up in episode four or five. The first time we
see it is Return of the Jedi. The West End
game source book was released in nineteen eighty eight. It
was called Strikeforce Shanton Pole, so Johnny were very close.
The description is a rebel group hidden in an Ashray
(41:02):
belt and led by Commander Akbar before he was an admiral,
has developed a prototype B Wing fighter. Up to six
Player characters are tasked with delivering a message to Acbar.
Then it Imperial forces attack the rebel base. Player characters
must stall the attack long enough for evacuation to proceed.
Then they must escort the B Wings fighters to the
(41:23):
Alliance high command before the Empire captures or destroys the project.
And let's see, we'll go into Mont Klamuri in a second.
Speaker 7 (41:32):
Oh.
Speaker 10 (41:33):
By the time the be Wing hit production in canonically
they got rid of kind of the super laser aspect
of it, which was the what they did where all
four of the lasers kind of converge like the Death
Star and shoot because they could never get it to
work right, which they kind of reference a little bit
in this that when Harod does it, she blows out
(41:56):
the hyperdrive for the spaceship. Apparently he was able to
fix that, poor Quarry. And then the other thing that's
in this bee Wing that's not in the bee Wings
once they go into production is we see sabine in
the tail of like a gunner station, and by the
time they hit their production run, that just becomes a cannon,
(42:19):
a laser cannon.
Speaker 7 (42:19):
It is no longer.
Speaker 10 (42:22):
Operable by a gun, a specific gunner. And let's see
the mon Kalamari. Yes, that is the name of the
species Tia. And just a little bit on that, Taylor,
you were like, oh, a squid, A squid, A squid.
There's an action figure that came out in nineteen eighty
three from Javis Palace. The name was Squidhead. Later on
(42:44):
they gave him the name of Tessik Tessek is a
Oh my gosh, I just lost it. I have so
much up here and I just lost it. They share
a plan with quarn corn is the name of the species.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
Oh my gosh. It was almost embarrassing.
Speaker 10 (43:05):
The Quarns share the planet Monkelamari with the monkela Amari species.
It is a water world, so they are amphibious. They
can breathe air and underwater. And if you want to
see more on that, I believe it's the first two
episodes of Clone Wars season four. They go to Moncow
(43:27):
and kit Fisto. The Jedi Knight fights alongside a young
Admiral Akbar pre Admiral pre anything in that episode and
you watch them, I think battle the Quarns in that
in that episode for control of the planet. Super awesome
episode they did. They premiered those episodes at the Long
(43:49):
Beach Aquarium and had a blue carpet back when the Alamari.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
Yeah, when they were released.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
I feel like the Pergle should mess around with them.
Speaker 7 (44:00):
Yeah, maybe that's yeah.
Speaker 10 (44:02):
They live on the dark side of Montkalmar exactly, the
Mahi Mahi side of Montcalmar. And then Tia, you had
asked about the pterodactyl things. They're called Dactylians. They're native
to the planet Utapao. You might not know the name Utapao,
but you do know the planet Utapau is where Obi
(44:22):
Wan Kenobi kills General Grievous and Star Wars episode three,
so they are native to that planet. But they show
up in several episodes of the Clone Wars and then
again on Chantapol in Star Wars Rebels.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Huh.
Speaker 10 (44:37):
And then you guys talked about the beginning of the
episode doing the here they come or two marks at
point three five or whatever, which when you say that
two Marx is two tie fighters point three to five
is the the vector that Canaan is supposed to put
(44:57):
his name his gun at. That is very very much
the energy and everything of the rebel attack on the
Desk Star in Stars episode four, like gold Leader, and
that's like here they come, three marks at two ten.
So it's like very much like capturing that energy. And
I thought you guys all did a great job doing that,
(45:18):
even if you didn't know that's what you were emulating.
Speaker 8 (45:21):
It's well, it's a fact now.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
I mean, you obviously know you're eighteen.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Think also I was today years old when I realized
that Corey is named after Ralph McCrory. You said it,
and I was like, all right, yes, yes, that makes
absolute sense.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Sorry, JC, did I interrupt?
Speaker 7 (45:45):
You didn't me. That's all I get.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Okay, cool, that was excellent.
Speaker 5 (45:48):
Thank you excellent as always. Appreciate you, Jac and appreciate it.
I appreciate you three. And then we appreciate you listeners.
We know you have a choice and podcast, so we
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and we will be back next week with the really
awesome episode. We get a little bit more to the
Sabines backstory, which is what we've been waiting for. But
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com
My dad, of course, was in the Air Force and
he's a pilot and has always taught me sort of
the value of flight. And when I explain how much
it means to me in the episode that that meant
a lot. And I dedicated that scene to my father
and we grew closer as a result of that. It
was very special for me.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hi, everyone, you're listening to Pot of Rebellion. This is
ts Or Car voice of Sabine Wren, Specter five, and
I'm not by myself today.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
With us we have Hey, everybody, what's up? It's Vanessa Marshall,
the voice of Harrison Doula, Specter two. And I am
thrilled to have this next guest who's generally here, Signora?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Taylor Grade here, specter six, and that is with us,
we also have everybody.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
It's Johny Brody, your friendly neighborhood moderator for the Pot
of Rebellion. And today we are going over season two,
episode seven, Wings of the Master. Here we go or
hang on before we jump in, how is everybody doing?
As always we like to do our check in. This
isn't just me checking in with Vanessa, Ta and Taylor, everybody.
This is us checking in with you are incredible listeners
(01:24):
because we do care. We are one big family.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm doing well. I hope everyone that's listening is also
doing well. How are you guys doing.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, you'll have to let us know in our in
our socials.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I'm doing well. It's a while. It's been a wild
world lately, so hanging on with.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Feeling the absurdity of it all, which is only fun
and entertaining in the end.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think, well, listen, that's why we have Star Wars.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Right too, exactly, to either completely try and ignore what's
happening in the real world, or to help us reflect
on what's happening in the real world and maybe find
some connections.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Help us get through it.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
It's just crazy.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Like going and seeing movies lately, I'm like, well, the
steaks and the drama of the world are higher than
the stakes and the drama of dramas and Shakespearean tragedies
that we're trying to write. We can't even write things
that are as crazy as the world. So it has
a little bit of like a I guess that's interesting
for that character.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I rewat I digress a it, but I rewatched in
Glorious Bastards a couple of nights ago, and I hadn't
seen it in a really long time, and.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
It felt good. It felt really good.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
That's all, and not at all relevant to anything happening.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
It felt really good. And wow, what a great movie.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
If you haven't seen it, if you're listening out there
and you haven't seen Quentin Tarantino's and Glorious Bastards, highly recommend.
It's a fund a two and a half hour fun
ride masterpiece.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
That that basement scene with the three, like, that's probably
one of the best crafted scenes ever done in cinema.
Speaker 8 (03:10):
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, it's one of my Like, it's a moment in
cinema that I remember so vividly and will forever like that.
That the number three. If you're if you've if you know,
you know, if you've seen it, you know.
Speaker 8 (03:24):
That the strudle those are the two with the cream.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Oh my god, Christoph Waltz Man, give that man a raise.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, anyway back to Star Wars.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
So I guess with that we should probably jump into
this little recap. I'm gonna try and go quick on
this one because this is a big episode, especially for you, Vanessa,
both your character but also for you personally. And I
know some of that, and I know I don't know
if all our listeners know all of it. But we're
gonna be able to share it today and I can't
wait to hear what your thoughts are on it. So
here we go, Season two, Episode seven, The Wings of
the Master. Original er date November eleven, twenty fifteen, Written
(03:58):
by Stephen Melching. Now, Stephen, and this guy's like a legend,
I'm telling you when it comes to writing. This man
is a legend. Drug at like X Batman x Man
animated series, Transformers, Prime, Guardians of the Galaxy, which you
work on with him as well, Right, But as ye
look at this man's IMDb, he's done it all. But
he's written some of the best episodes of Star Wars rebels,
(04:19):
including this one, where he just finds these themes of
identity and philosophy and emotional stakes, and you know, carves
out new corners of Star Wars in a world that's
so well carved out. He somehow finds new ways to
tell these stories and uncover things that work covered before
and make the invisible visible. So we want to give
our flowers to Stephen Melching, because very rarely do writers
(04:41):
get their flowers, let alone writers in the world of animation.
So Stephen Melching, many flowers headed your way. And we
are not sponsored by one hundred Flowers, but we could
be sponsorship.
Speaker 8 (04:54):
I could do.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
I think we could all use some floral arrangements courtesy
of one hundred Flowers.
Speaker 8 (04:58):
So here we go.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Here comes the recap for season two, episode seven, Wings
in the Master, The Phoenix Squadron is on a world
spentral kitchen like quest to deliver food to the starving
people of Eyebar, but on the way, they run into
an Empire blockade led by none other than Zeb's front
of me slash potential lover agent Kallis. The corrupt Empires
determined to block this charitable mission.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
Whether they corupt bureaucratic weighs.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Something that's totally unrelatable to anything that's ever happened in
real life or in current life anyways. Unfortunately for Phoenix
Squadron and the people of Ibar, the Empire's strong defense
is also a very powerful offense, and this leads to
a failed mission. The Phoenix Squadron, like the Chicago Bears
and needed a new playbook and strategy if they're able
to supply aid to the people of Ibar in time.
(05:38):
Turns out, Rex knows a guy who may be able
to help. A reclusive engineer on Shantopol named Kory Corey
has built a prototype starfighter that could be the ultimate
game changer, but it needs the perfect pilot. Harra steps up,
but is met with skepticism from the monk Kalamari inventor.
But after delivering a monologue for the Ages and a
very successful test fight that invoked nostalgical modist to the
(05:59):
movie The Rocketeer, it is clear that Corey's earlier skepticism
was misplaced. Now it's showtime. The rebels head back towards Ibar,
but this time the Empire is the one out match.
As Hara unleashes the fully operational weaponry of the B Wing,
the battle is won, and like the Stevie Wonders song,
the foods to the people of Iyebar is signed, sealed, delivered,
and when all said and done, the episode wraps up
(06:19):
with the confirmation of something that everyone, including the Phoeis Squadron,
already knew, that Hara is the true leader and keep
one of the group, but now it's further solidified with
the official title and promotion. Apparently, working conditions and opportunities
for women to actually move up in the workplace were
much better a long time ago in a galaxy far
far away. And that's the recap for Seeding two, Episode seven,
The Wings of the Masters Boast. As always, that was
(06:45):
a fun one to get going, but I was trying
to keep it brief because there's so much unpacking this episode,
and I feel like, let's just jump right in because Vanessai,
I've heard you talk about the interviews and I've talked
to you about this personally. This is like, you know,
this is your big moment. This is like I would say,
your favorite moment for your character is the bee wing thing.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes, definitely, for for a number of reasons. My dad,
of course, was in the Air Force, and he's a
pilot and has always taught me sort of the value
of flight. And when I explain how much it means
to me in the episode, that that meant a lot,
and I dedicated that scene to my father and we
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grew closer as a result of that.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
It was very.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Special for me, and also that it was her explaining
the meaning of flight, the value of flight that made
Quarry yield and allow her to fly the plane. I've
always had a tremendous respect for pilots in general. I mean,
I think they're very much like Harah herself. Harah has
(07:51):
an ability to focus a way that I wish I had.
You know, I'm distracted by shiny beads, you know, occasionally,
and he is always able to stay on mission. And
you know, unfortunately for her in season four, she's a
little too focused on other things that she misses, kind
of the work life balance stuff. But you know, that's
for later, but for now. Also, as a Star Wars fan,
(08:14):
Corey Burton, cad Baine, Dooku, I mean, come on, y'all,
I just was freaking out to be near such talent.
He is incredible, and so that was also an honor.
But I remember talking to Dave Filoni about this sort
of ethos that the pilots have and he said, it's
(08:36):
very similar to men of the Sea people, you know,
captains and what have you, that there's this similar sort
of I don't know, it's kind of a code. And
Dave had experienced that with one of his uncles and
that there's just kind of you you have to pay
attention otherwise, you know, lives can be lost. It's a
very it can be a dangerous endeavor to sort of
(08:59):
go out to see or to take flight, so there's
again that level of focus and also care for other
people or birds or fish. You know, there's sort of
a hyper awareness that these pilots or sea captains have,
and I thought that was interesting. I wasn't aware. I
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don't know many seafaring individuals, so I did not know that,
but I thought that was really interesting. And he sort
of based Quarry on his uncle, so it just was
interesting to me that there was this kind of family
history that was quite personal Todave and also for me
with my father. When I finished the episode last night,
(09:40):
I actually texted melching. I was sobbing by the end
of the episode. It was just so beautifully written. And
of course, as a Star Wars fan, it's a bee Wing,
so hello. That's also quite for the Battle of Endor
and all the things that were to come that follow
this sort of minute portion of the overall saga that
(10:03):
this new ship is quite impactful in the future. That
meant a lot to me as well, to sort of
be a part of its beginning, and so there were
there were so many things going on for me personally,
in terms of my family, in terms of my fandom,
there was just a lot going on. But overall flowers
(10:27):
to Steve Melching, indeed, because he really nailed that that
sort of very spiritual reward that comes with flying. And
you know when she says that when things are falling
apart or blowing up in space, that's when I'm at
my best. And I think pilots had that very same
ability to focus and I deeply appreciate that. And thank
(10:51):
you to anyone who's listening who's served in any Air
Force veterans. You have all my whole heart. And yeah,
so it it's a pretty heavy episode.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Also, you crushed that speech. I thought that speech was awesome.
I don't I imagine we were there for but I don't.
I don't remember that specific speech. I was just curious
what you thought like about that. Seeing that again, I
thought it was that was really good.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, I thought it was. And I know I was
thinking of my father and how much he taught me
that my whole life, he's been trying to instill those values.
I mean, not to go fight people in the sky.
But you know, but that there is value to getting
perspective that when we were stuck here on Earth, we
are sort of sucked into the minutia of life, and
it's really important to expand and sort of see the
(11:39):
whole picture and see our very tiny but important place
within humanity. But that that that perspective is key to
sort of transcendence or detachment. And he's not of any
sort of religious denomination whatsoever, but and I don't even
know what you would call those values. He was constantly
reading Jonathan Livingstone Seagull and like putting it under my pillow,
(12:02):
and it was like a thing, believe me. So I
felt like this speech was me letting him know that
I got the message so much so that I think
it might have got me cast in this very special
chosen family scenario where I'm flying this epic ship that
later is in the Battle of Vendor. I mean, my goodness,
there's it doesn't get read.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
That ship ends up as one of the main ships
in and.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Or not not Maine. But it's key later in the
things that I saw growing up.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh sick, that was the prototype for the B Wing,
right like that.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Like that guy was building a be wing.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So this is like the pre the pre or like
the PREA.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
In the first three movies then the well.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
It was briefly in Return of the Jedi, but because
the compositing like technology wasn't all there, they couldn't feature
it heavily. But technically and JC can fact checked me
on this technically.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Or sorry, sorry I meant one, two three, sorry. Yeah, yeah,
because if if he was creating it for hair like
that hair flew on the first ones, then four five.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
What a cool origin story that we got to have
on our show. Like, that's sick if I'm ay, I mean,
Taylor already said it. But Vanessa, you're always fabulous and
like next level. But and I know that this, I
know how near and dear to your heart this episode is.
But I it kind of it's been so long since
(13:38):
I watched it. I kind of got to watch it
a little bit with fresh eyes, just because I know
how important it is to you, and you talk about
it in like, you know, interviews and Q and a's
and stuff, so I've heard you talk about it, but
I hadn't watched it myself in such a long time.
Oh man, you knocked it out of the park. That
(13:59):
monologue was so moving and so beautiful. And I know
you know what you just shared with all of us
about your dad.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And him being a pilot, But.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I didn't remember the monologue itself, so getting to rewatch it,
I was so moved by it. And like when you say,
I left my family so.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I could fly. Yeah, really something, lady.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, thanks, And if I may, I'm going to read
a quote to you. This is a quote that came
to mind when I rewatched this and listen to that monologus.
I speak all the same feel all the same feelings
that everyone's expressing here, but this is what I think
of especially, and I feel like your monologue encapsulate this.
So it's a quote. When my brothers try to draw
a circle to exclude me, I shall draw a larger
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circle to include them. Where they speak up for the
privileges of a puny group, I shall shout for the
rights for all mankind. From doctor Paul Murray. That's really
what Harra is saying because of how she grew up
on Ryloth how and I know the backstory wasn't all
established at this point, but now that because we know
it it hits like that now because of how her
(15:07):
father of you things like let me look out for
rilof or hair, is like, no, I'm going to look
out for everybody, because that's what everyone deserves. And I
wanted to share that. And also because you three are
very well read and well spoken and just kind of
plant that there, and if that invoked any sort of
feelings hereing that and applying.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
That to the monologue, I would just live your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, well, that's that's an incredible quote, and that is
exactly what happened. And I think we'll see her address
that with her father eventually here when when she really
gets into it with charm There are different views that
you know, his his view was a little bit more
myopic and hers was galactic, if you will, which I
(15:49):
think is kind of what children do with their parents'
plans sometimes, which is I guess how we grow as
a people. But sometimes there's discord and hopefully they're there
is healing ultimately from that. But that that's really beautiful, John,
Thank you for sharing that. It does encapsulate her path
(16:10):
and how much it meant to her that she would
leave her family in order to accomplish those things. Which
is uh. I respect her a lot for.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That, Noble. I've not heard that quote before and I'm
going to need you to send it to me or
I can look it up.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
But because it means a lot that that's really.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Poignant and also without you know, getting into the nitty gritty,
like so timely right like, shouldn't we all be drawing
a bigger circle to be more inclusive right about now?
So thanks for sharing that applicable not just to this
episode and not just to Harrah and her family back
(16:55):
on Rye Love, but also maybe to us in the
real world.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Whatever do you mean to you?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I'll call you later.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
That'll be for the after Dark episode where you can
get and get in real D. But yeah, just the
other reason I really love that monologue is because you know,
she's met with this skepticism from Corey and I know
in a lesser show, in a lesser writer's hands and
a lesser show, I think Hair would have been maybe
come up with some more like pick me, pick me,
which how women are often portrayed in these situations.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
But it wasn't that.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
She's like, this is how I am, this is why
I do it, and if you like it, great, if
not f off.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
That's kind of the energy you give them.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
But because it's so genuine and it doesn'tencapsulate what I
feel like Doctor Polly Murray's quote is but in her
own hair away because it's her own backstory, it doesn't
come off as that. But you run that risk a
lot of times when you're trying to write a monologu
or a scene like that. And that's why it's like Melching,
it's like, dude, this guy is incredible, you know, and
then then twenty two animated show to pack all that in.
(18:03):
They make it look so easy, but it's like it's
hard enough to try to do that in like a
ninety minute movie only twenty two minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Also, I totally agree, but like it's the combination of
Melching's writing and Vanessa's performance that makes it, and obviously
the animation and such, but like that combination keeps it
from being pick me, pick me, but also being like
(18:31):
arrogant to the point of being off putting, like being
being having Cubris.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's neither.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
It's like beautifully down the middle where it's like, listen,
I am the right one for this job.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And that's about that.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
So either you recognize that and give me the shot,
or you don't, but them's the brains. But it's like, so,
it's so, it's it's great because I always, you know,
I just I know. I kind of talk about this
a lot about how important it is for little girls
(19:08):
and little boys to be able to see characters like
Kara and and see these these like really strong capable
women who are not relying on a man to come
and save them from the big bad whatever. But especially
in this context where it's like no, no, she is
(19:29):
the most qualified and she knows it, and and and
like there's no bravado, there's no braggadociousness.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And it's also not like ooh ooh, let me, let me,
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's it's something completely different, and I think so welcome
to see because we don't always get to see female
characters like that or that in those situations advocating for
themselves and their and their abilities like that.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Who would have flown it if they erged?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Great question?
Speaker 7 (20:03):
Who?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Who knows?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I think it's another really great life lesson for kids
to witness that by just being authentic, by by by
literally committing to being who you are, you get where
you're supposed to be, because I don't even think I
think she had sort of given up on him at
that point. I didn't even see her as like, look,
this is who I am. I felt that she was
(20:27):
just getting wistful about what she cares about. And I think,
if if I were a parent, I would love for
my child and in turn for myself to see that
it's really it's really when you do have an agenda
that things go the way you like. It's when you're
being true to yourself and honoring your values and your
(20:48):
ethics that things fall where they where they're meant to fall,
and that that that level of dedication to ideals and
meant to being true to oneself I think has a
greater impact on getting stuff done. And it's not about
the results, it's about being in the process. For some reason,
(21:10):
that just feels like one of those Star Wars lessons
that you know, lesser writers, how do you encapsulate the
magic that is? You know, take, for example, I've mentioned
them before, the Critical Role folks. They were following their
joy and they came together as friends and you know,
got a D and D group together, and this and that,
and now it's given birth to a cartoon series, and
(21:32):
all these things had nothing to do with the night
they first sat there and said let's play. And from
play followed so much fun for so many people. And
you know, that seems to sound like I'm trying to monetize.
I'm not saying that at all. But what I'm saying
is that what I take from that is follow your
(21:53):
joy and the rest will follow. And I get that
from this. And it's impossible sometimes to write that into being,
but Melching did it perfectly with a kind of detachment
that was really elegant and graceful. And I just, man,
I just went on and on in this text last night.
To him, it was just such a It was a
(22:14):
wonderful ride for us as viewers, and I realized we
were in it. But still, by the way, Tia, did
you say hang on like four times? Because I think
as far as like the drinking game goes, dude, I
think you really I wrote it.
Speaker 8 (22:26):
I wrote it.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I said, wait me, I finally, I don't think i've
ever seen it said hang on before on as Sabine.
I mean that could be.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I was like, oh, that's that's what that feels like
or is that a miss or is that I.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Think it's the next episode? Actually, oh maybe it is.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Sorry, Yeah, but that's also the sibling dynamic because remember
Ezra says Carabas in the first episode of the season,
So it's like you see that sort of spawning off
into the other characters, which is really fun since.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
We're talking about melching and his beautiful writing. I would
also just say that the like jabs in this episode
really great. There's like a lot of crazy stuff happening,
and yet you know, like right out the gate, like
at the very top of the show or this episode rather,
there's like high drama, quite a bit of violence, I
(23:16):
would say, an unusual amount of like what we get
to see. And then what is Freddy said, I mean,
sorry Kanaan say. He says like, well, you're both co
irritating me right now or whatever, like copilot, I'm co pilot,
tell him I'm co pilot.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
He says, well, you're co irritating me. I don't know.
I thought that was very funny.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And then like the dissent when you're trying to land
the thing on the on the whatever that's called rickety,
Like what is that called landing strip. Everyone's got jokes.
I just think it's like delightful. It's just a fun
It's just fun. It's just fun.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Watching, don't I don't know?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And by sorry, I meant to say this earlier, but
then I didn't want to interrupt you. Corey Burton is
so good as fish yet well that amount of fish.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It's a mon calamari? Did I do it right? Although
I do have a question Calamari calamari are not fish?
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Calm is this.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Way it's a I mean it's just quid.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yes, yeah, I actually have a question.
Speaker 9 (24:31):
For often do they do that in Star Wars like
call you know, a thing another thing squid at calamari?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well, or just like.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Use words that exist, right, that's not that's that's.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Like you could call Sabine klamari and you'd be like, oh,
it's just a fun name. But if.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
That's it's on the nose, it's really on I was
gonna ask jac or any of you guys.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
When hold on.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Oh who says does Harris say he's been out of
the water too long?
Speaker 10 (25:13):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
No, no, no, sorry sorry, Zeb says he's been out of
the water too long? Are mon Calamari like sea creatures.
I'm confused.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I believe their planet is underwater. I don't. I don't
know that they are. I think they can do well
in either place. I don't think I think he's being facetiously.
That guy's been off the Yeah, oh I just okay,
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Amphibious humanoid, their aquatic.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Species, aquatic species. Okay, thank you?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
All right?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Oh oh, sorry not to make this about oh oh sorry, sorry,
too many thoughts.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I loved this episode. I ha took a million notes.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
The other question I had for JC or any of
the three of you, so what did tarodactyl thingies on
this planet?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That's got to be for I don't want something to do.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Don't steal this thunder this time. I know you know it,
but can you get take it easy?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I know, come let I'll let the be squad in ow.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I was just.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I had completely forgotten that this this quote that is
by far my most asked for, most requested quote to
sign to autograph for folks when I meet people in
real life, it is from this episode.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
So when I when Sabine says it, I was like, oh,
that's that's what it's from. I had completely forgotten. It's
never it's never get.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Between a Mandalorian and a weapons package.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Oh yeah, I wrote that down too. I love it
so much.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I had just forgotten where and when she I said it,
and so I was. I was thrilled when it happens
in this episode.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yeah, Cory's just hearing it from everybody because zeb wants
to throw him over. And then he's like, he's telling
you not to tell You're like no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
He's like this sweet, curmudgeonly old grandpa type and I
don't know, like a kooky cookie grand uncle, crazy, mad
scientist kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Yeah, he almost looks like mister Feenie from this World. Yes,
that's what I kept thinking of. But he kind of
talks like the caterpillar from Elison one and then you.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
And then that.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
At the same time, he looks like dinner Tomorrow night.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
It was like the caterpillar from else in Wonderland and
and she woke the little Gnome and neverending story like.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
Well he's awake now, Yeah, that's what he had. All
those It was like an amalgamation of all those yas.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Wow, John, your brain is a wonderful place. And you are.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I'm gonna deem you the King of references because you
reference stuff and I'm like, oh, yes, exactly, which is
why I was just like squealing. Sorry, that was probably
really loud, Jacon. Maybe you can turn my voice.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Down for the listeners at home.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yes, yes, all of those completely accurate, and some mishmash
of all of those characters in this guy.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
But he's adorable. Dare I say adorable.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
He's mister Feenie.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
We're like Phoene, Like you want to do the Phoenie
call with your buddy Will coined Vanessa.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
That's right? What means the world? So real quick?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
This is my contribution to fact checking, and JC can
film a lot of the blanks here. But it's funny
that this is technically, I think, the first canonical explanation
of where the bee wing came from. But so you
mentioned a critical role is fittingly enough in US, and
I do feel like this is how Kismeth this episode
is because a lot of the references are to the
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original Star Wars role playing game, which I owned. I
still have all the source books at my mom's house
from this little company called West End Game, so any
of our or maybe older listeners. I may be earning
some street cred with you all, because I know a
lot of people knew West End games and there was
a source book that had this very brief backstory on
the B Wing and it was basically like Admiral Akbar
(29:13):
was the one that like said we had to craft
some sort of starship to go against the Empire's big weapon,
and that was kind of like an unofficial backstory. I
think that's considered legends continuity, which again JC, he'll fill
in those blanks. So that's what I knew as the
B Wing backstory. And but I just feel like it's
so fitting that even something like Shantapol. There was something
(29:34):
called like Mission Chantafl or Project Shantapole. It was an
adventure book which I had that as well as part
of the role playing game. And all these nods from Chantapol,
and I believe Corey is a nod to Ralph McCrory
because of the way they spell it. But the fact
that you had this Monk Calamari inventor, that's a nod
to Acbar because Acbar technically originally was the one who
(29:56):
said we got to build the B Wing. So I
know that history lesson is a little all over the place,
but that's what I knew as the B Wing backstory.
But then when I saw this, I'm like, oh, that's
way better. And this is the first time I ever
heard it referred to as the blade wing because I
was always as a kid, I was like, why is
it called the B wing? It looks like a lowercase T, Like,
shouldn't it be a T wing? Like because it's like
(30:17):
when I looked at it was like, it looks like
a T wing And.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Then wing stands for blade wing.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah, because it comes through right now. It's like the
Ginsu knife of the star Fleet. You know, it can
cut through a tree trunk and also the empire is Yeah.
So that that's my contribution to the fact check portion,
which again JC can fill in all the other blanks
and uh, maybe correct me if I got anything a
little bit wrong. But that's what I knew as the
(30:42):
community and Vinessa. I know how much you love RPGs.
So the fact that this backstory and Hara is the
canonical backstory, but it also has roots in the Star
Wars role playing game from nineteen eighty seven, I think
that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I cool love that. I have a couple other things
that I wrote down that I don't remember in our recording.
I was very impressed with our three point five coming in,
you know, like I was like, my goodness, we committed
to the bit. Like there were a lot of you know,
screaming at Ezra, you know, get the two point nine.
(31:18):
I don't like, as if I know what, I cannot
believe that I said those things with such efficient. Really
blown away by that, Taylor, were you remembering that we
were yelling like that or not at all?
Speaker 9 (31:29):
I feel like that no, no A, make some stuff up.
No No, I thought that that we always did that
when we gave orders.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Well, I do remember Dave Filoni saying that this he
wanted to show that things have gotten way worse for us,
Like we lose a ship, you know, the stakes are higher,
and like I remember when we had our sort of
huddle before the record, I remember him saying, like, this
episode will indicate just how much better you've gotten and
(32:01):
how much worse it's gotten for you simultaneously, and that
you need to fight even harder. And so I don't
think we've ever had that level of a threat. I
just felt like it was a more frenetic. Well, I
felt Harra was freaking out, especially when the ship was lost.
She was sort of waffling and feeling guilty that she
(32:23):
didn't save the ship, and oh, I can't go to
the you know, the new I can't go to Quarry
because I need I need to fight with you and
protect you because I did such a bad job that
day or whatever it is. It just felt like, oh,
I do remember him saying it got worse, and it
definitely felt worse and worse than I remembered. But I
(32:45):
don't know. But I also love the quips of like
your co yours hitting there. There were a number of
really funny things back and forth, even amidst in the
center of that tension. But anyway, yeah, on the.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Dec there was like back and forth amidst the yelling
and the you know, urgency, if we still found time
for jokes, which I love.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I think the moment at the end that really sort
of embodied all the feels for me as a Star
Wars fan, you know, as someone who loves flight, is
when Quarry says, oh, I built it, but you made
it sore, and then you know, she's presented with a
new title moving forward like that to me was just
(33:32):
that was really powerful for me personally, and I was
happy for the rest of us too.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, I think it was a really moving moment in
the show.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Yeah, and also fitting because Melching wrote it. But you
made it sore, Vanessa so and all, you made it
soort really, but you know that monologue. It's great on paper.
But yeah, as you know, a great scripts only give
me as good as the actor that can bring it
to life and breathe life into the character. Again, this
was just the combination of all the right things coming
(34:03):
together rather perfectly. I think this is to me, if
there's you know, you have television shows, there's always one
d latch on Dore, like with Game of Thrones, Red
Wedding Rans of Cashmere is always in the top five. Sure,
this to me is a top five. I would even
say for me personally, a top three episode. But I
not just for Star Wars Rebels, I think just all
of Star Wars in general, but also just television. This
(34:24):
is one of the best television episodes wow, that I've
ever seen, because it it checks off all the boxes
and it's just proof that no matter what the medium,
it starts with a great script and then you got
to have the right execution. So before we go to
fact check, there is one thing, because as you saw,
I mentioned The Rocketeer in my recap.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
I mentioned that for two reasons.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
One because that test flight sequence is very much like
the movie The Rocketeer, and JC you can fact checking
me on this. But one of jc's favorite movies is
also The Rocketeer, so that was also for JC. But
if you also notice the name of of Corey's droid
is BG. Now I believe that's a not that Bill George,
who is the designer, I think, the concept concept designer
(35:07):
of the B Wing. But the way it's spelled B
and G, it's spelled out like phonetically. In The Rocketeer,
he flies these planes called gbs. So I know that
JC has more information on this and he can go
much deeper into the Rocketeer lore. But I would bet
that Kevin Kiner did make a direct homage to the
(35:29):
Rocketeer score because the music is very, very similar. But
the whole BG and GB, yeah, I think maybe it's
a coincidence. But at the same time, he could have
just put the letters BG for Bill George, but he
spelled it out BG where it's GB for the airplanes
in the Rocketeer. So again, this episode has everything coming
together pretty much at the right time.
Speaker 8 (35:50):
But yeah, you're amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
You're amazing.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
We'll find out how amazing when we get to our
favorite part of the show, which is the fact check,
and that might all be moot. But JC, what do
you got for us?
Speaker 7 (36:05):
Okay, John, you're completely wrong, all.
Speaker 10 (36:07):
Right, figure are okay, let's uh, let's start with the Rocketeer. Okay, so, yes,
very much. The Rocketeer test flight music uh BG B
E E G E E is the flip of the
type of planes in The Rocketeer that they're flying at
(36:30):
the beginning of the show, how they make their money,
the kind of like a flying circus type thing. The
droid in the episode is BG DASH eight one. They
say it's a low thaal astromic droid, but typically a
droid like that with a rounded clear dome is an
(36:51):
R III unit, even though it's they don't they never
label it that in any like Rebels, lore or anything.
It is named after Bill George, who is the employee
at Industrial Lton Magic who designed the B Wing Starfighter.
He was hired by ILM in nineteen eighty one BG
(37:14):
eighty one. Also just connecting the Rocketeer back to this
a little bit. The Rocketeer was directed by Joe Johnston,
who is also one of the concept artists on Star
Wars and Empire Strikes Back and designed Boba Fet. So
(37:35):
between Boba Fet and the Rocketeer, I think it's safe
to say that Joe Johnston would be on Team Tia
in the Great Jetpack Lightsaber Wars of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
They need the votes, guys, they need the I think
we should throw a few more people on that scene.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
We don't need your charity.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I think you do, just like another team I can
think of.
Speaker 9 (38:08):
I'm not gonna say anything, but I really I don't
say an Oracle book.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
All right on record, I.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Believe you're in the middle of saying something. Yeah, we're
going to please continue.
Speaker 10 (38:22):
Yeah, well, fact check Taylor there, he's talking about arch
Manning not showing up this week.
Speaker 7 (38:30):
Let's get onto uh ranking on the be Wing.
Speaker 10 (38:35):
On the side of the be Wing it says prototype
six in or BESH, which so this is the sixth
prototype of the b Wing Starfighter. I'll go into a
little bit of the history of the b Wing which
John touched on. It is a from a West End
(38:56):
Games source book which is really really cool. There was
a research station on an asteroid that Admiral Akbar had
developed the b Wing on, and in the legends, it
was kind of a module that you would play within
the role playing game, so it had like parameters set
up and then your team had to navigate it, so
(39:20):
similar to like a like a D and D one
shot type of thing. And in that there was a
Imperial blockade that the b Wing punched through the blockade
at the end of that. So the very base level
foundation of this of this episode is awesome because for
(39:43):
somebody like me or somebody like John who grew up
with this lore in the dark Ages when there was
not a lot of Star Wars out there, they kind
of honored what we grew up with while adding a
lot of complexity to it and not overdoing it by
sticking Admiral Acbar and all the characters that you know
we see later directly into it. And that is also
(40:08):
the idea of kind of like the and we talked
about this a little bit, but like kind of the
Aliens of the Galaxy kind of join the rebellion.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
Throughout the.
Speaker 10 (40:20):
History of the Galactic Civil War because the Empire becomes
increasingly more xenophobic and implements their things. So it starts
to make sense that you see a species like the
Monkelmari using their brains and dedicating their resources to the
(40:41):
rebellion at this point. And then by the time the
be Wing finally gets into production, it does not show
up in episode four or five. The first time we
see it is Return of the Jedi. The West End
game source book was released in nineteen eighty eight. It
was called Strikeforce Shanton Pole, so Johnny were very close.
The description is a rebel group hidden in an Ashray
(41:02):
belt and led by Commander Akbar before he was an admiral,
has developed a prototype B Wing fighter. Up to six
Player characters are tasked with delivering a message to Acbar.
Then it Imperial forces attack the rebel base. Player characters
must stall the attack long enough for evacuation to proceed.
Then they must escort the B Wings fighters to the
(41:23):
Alliance high command before the Empire captures or destroys the project.
And let's see, we'll go into Mont Klamuri in a second.
Speaker 7 (41:32):
Oh.
Speaker 10 (41:33):
By the time the be Wing hit production in canonically
they got rid of kind of the super laser aspect
of it, which was the what they did where all
four of the lasers kind of converge like the Death
Star and shoot because they could never get it to
work right, which they kind of reference a little bit
in this that when Harod does it, she blows out
(41:56):
the hyperdrive for the spaceship. Apparently he was able to
fix that, poor Quarry. And then the other thing that's
in this bee Wing that's not in the bee Wings
once they go into production is we see sabine in
the tail of like a gunner station, and by the
time they hit their production run, that just becomes a cannon,
(42:19):
a laser cannon.
Speaker 7 (42:19):
It is no longer.
Speaker 10 (42:22):
Operable by a gun, a specific gunner. And let's see
the mon Kalamari. Yes, that is the name of the
species Tia. And just a little bit on that, Taylor,
you were like, oh, a squid, A squid, A squid.
There's an action figure that came out in nineteen eighty
three from Javis Palace. The name was Squidhead. Later on
(42:44):
they gave him the name of Tessik Tessek is a
Oh my gosh, I just lost it. I have so
much up here and I just lost it. They share
a plan with quarn corn is the name of the species.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
Oh my gosh. It was almost embarrassing.
Speaker 10 (43:05):
The Quarns share the planet Monkelamari with the monkela Amari species.
It is a water world, so they are amphibious. They
can breathe air and underwater. And if you want to
see more on that, I believe it's the first two
episodes of Clone Wars season four. They go to Moncow
(43:27):
and kit Fisto. The Jedi Knight fights alongside a young
Admiral Akbar pre Admiral pre anything in that episode and
you watch them, I think battle the Quarns in that
in that episode for control of the planet. Super awesome
episode they did. They premiered those episodes at the Long
(43:49):
Beach Aquarium and had a blue carpet back when the Alamari.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
Yeah, when they were released.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
I feel like the Pergle should mess around with them.
Speaker 7 (44:00):
Yeah, maybe that's yeah.
Speaker 10 (44:02):
They live on the dark side of Montkalmar exactly, the
Mahi Mahi side of Montcalmar. And then Tia, you had
asked about the pterodactyl things. They're called Dactylians. They're native
to the planet Utapao. You might not know the name Utapao,
but you do know the planet Utapau is where Obi
(44:22):
Wan Kenobi kills General Grievous and Star Wars episode three,
so they are native to that planet. But they show
up in several episodes of the Clone Wars and then
again on Chantapol in Star Wars Rebels.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Huh.
Speaker 10 (44:37):
And then you guys talked about the beginning of the
episode doing the here they come or two marks at
point three five or whatever, which when you say that
two Marx is two tie fighters point three to five
is the the vector that Canaan is supposed to put
(44:57):
his name his gun at. That is very very much
the energy and everything of the rebel attack on the
Desk Star in Stars episode four, like gold Leader, and
that's like here they come, three marks at two ten.
So it's like very much like capturing that energy. And
I thought you guys all did a great job doing that,
(45:18):
even if you didn't know that's what you were emulating.
Speaker 8 (45:21):
It's well, it's a fact now.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
I mean, you obviously know you're eighteen.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Think also I was today years old when I realized
that Corey is named after Ralph McCrory. You said it,
and I was like, all right, yes, yes, that makes
absolute sense.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Sorry, JC, did I interrupt?
Speaker 7 (45:45):
You didn't me. That's all I get.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Okay, cool, that was excellent.
Speaker 5 (45:48):
Thank you excellent as always. Appreciate you, Jac and appreciate it.
I appreciate you three. And then we appreciate you listeners.
We know you have a choice and podcast, so we
very much appreciate you picking the Potter Rebellion week after week,
and we will be back next week with the really
awesome episode. We get a little bit more to the
Sabines backstory, which is what we've been waiting for. But
(46:08):
you're all gonna have to wait till next week, and
so we'll leave. But until then, Taylor's got the magic
words do the music. Potter Rebellion is produced in partnership
with iHeart Podcasts Producing, Hosted by Vanessa Marshall, Tia Surkar,
Taylor Gray, and John Lee Brody Executive producer and in
house Star Wars guru slash factchecker J. C.
Speaker 8 (46:28):
Reifenberg.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Our music was composed by Mikey Flash. Our cover art
was created by Neil Fraser. Of Neil Fraser Designs. Special
thanks to Holly Frean, Aaron Kauffman over at iHeart, Evan Krasglorie,
Willie Morrison, Devor Trasy Canobio, George Lucas for creating this
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