June 3, 2024 • 20 mins
This episode of Podversations features Sarah Jakes Roberts, host of Woman Evolve and Dollie Bishop, President of The Black Effect Podcast Network.
Life can get pretty overwhelming at times and that’s exactly why Sarah Jakes Roberts has her platform. Each week on her podcast Woman Evolve, she effortlessly brings listeners down to earth with a seamless blend of faith, contemporary culture, and absolute realness. In this week’s Speaker Series, she joins Dollie Bishop to talk about being a part of the Black Effect: the first podcast network built specifically for black audiences, who her dream guests are, and how she is able to maintain her faith.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
iHeartRadio presents Conversations, a weekly discussion with the biggest names
and influencers in podcasting. I want to learn the secret
Psycho rituals scrubstars Zach Braff and Donald Beason used before
Every Fake Doctor's Real Friends taping how Vice News.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Parachutes into war zones to.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Rescue journalists from life threatening situations. For why Pagan, Michael Ke,
and Blumhouse believe three D audio is the future of storytelling.
Whether you're a newbie trying to break into the podcast
game or an exec trying to refine your playbook, Conversations
is the easiest way to keep your pulse on the industry.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I am Dolly s Bishop, President of The Black Effect
podcast Network and joining today's iHeart Speaker series. Is a businesswoman,
a New York Times bestselling author, and highly sought afterthought leader.
She is the founder of Women Evolved in the host
of Woman Evolved podcast right here on the Black Effect.
Please welcome Sarah Jake Robert. Hi, Sarah, how are you.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Of course we're so happy to have you today, and
of course we're excited that you're a new partner of
the Black Effect Podcast Network, your podcast Women Evolve, So
jumping right in, can you tell us a little bit
about your background? You were so many hats lady, from
entrepreneur to speaker, mother wife. Where did your journey to
excellence and being an agent for change begin?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
My journey towards excellence actually began as a teenager. I
really wasn't sure what I wanted to be when I
was going to grow up. But when I got pregnant
as a teenager, I knew that one thing I wanted
to be for sure was a good mom. And I
had no idea that my desire to become a good
(01:55):
mom would require a lot of twists and turns.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I think I arrived there. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I'll get my report card in about twenty years, but
I think I arrived there. And that's all I really
wanted was to be a good mom. And I think
because of my background, my father and mother in ministry,
these bishops td Jakes, and he founded this amazing church,
and I felt like the only way that I could
(02:19):
become excellent is if I got married and did all
of the things that I think religion said will clean
up our past. And it wasn't until I was in
my twenties that I began to realize that I wasn't
an excellent mom, even though I was married, even though
I had all of the things that were supposed to
make me excellent, I was actually broken and depressed and
(02:41):
dealing with anxiety. And I thought to myself, what if
I looked less about becoming excellent on the outside and
more about what that would look like on the inside.
I started blogging, connected with other women who were on
a similar journey, and I thought we were just like
this little community of misfits. But what I know now
that I didn't know then is that we're all on
a journey, and we're all sometimes working with wobbly legs
(03:04):
and broken paths, but we want to believe that there
is hope still available to us. And so I became
someone who was committed to not just discovering hope, but
embodying it for myself, for my children, and then allowing
other people to overflow from there. And so since then,
what I thought was just my journey that I would
share on a blog has become a movement, and we
(03:26):
do tours and events and podcasts, and we emails and
social media. We've got all of these touch points, but
it all centers around this story of a teenage mom
who just wanted to be better.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
How do you find balance between it all? The travel,
the work, like you say, the emails, the recordings, you know,
being so busy with the writing. How do you find
balance between family and career and just living.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You know, I am grateful that my parents kind of
went ahead of me in this path, because I don't
think they had any idea what to expect with like
your life just.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Kind of changing overnight.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
When you have this gift or grace or anointing that
just kind of consumes your life, you don't really know
what to plan.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Or prep for.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
And so as a result of learning from their journey,
I have learned to really keep my children central to
what I do. I never want my life to feel
bigger than our love, our bond and connection, and so
I prioritize making sure that my schedule fits.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Around their world and their life.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And sometimes that means that I don't get to progress
as quickly as I want to. I don't get to
take as many of this shiny opportunities that come my way,
but I prioritize them and what I have found is
I am choosing opportunities that have more quality, oftentimes than quantity.
And even with that, you know, I'm learning to say no,
(04:45):
I'm learning to delegate, I'm learning to disappoint people. I'm
learning to miss deadlines. I'm learning to execute sometimes months
in advance, so that I don't miss deadlines. It takes
a lot to figure out when I say yes to something,
how does it fit within the context of my world,
and really adjusting my world to fit that new demand.
But I learn by trial and error, and I try
(05:06):
to give myself grace to do that.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, you have to hold space for yourself, because if
you don't, you have space for no one and nothing else.
But through your messages, do your books, your podcasts, and
your social media influence, and of course the Woman Evolved movement,
which is a conference, there's book clubs, there's courses, there's
so much. A part of that, You've reached women from
all over this globe, not just locally, not just in
your state of Texas, not just in the US, but
(05:29):
the globe. Do you feel that it is your mission
to help women evolve and to be the best version
of themselves.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I do feel it's my mission.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I think it's my personal mission to evolve to constantly
ask myself, like, how can I become better?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
What does it look like for my spirit to.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Continue to provide light and to be connected with God?
And so I think feel like that is my personal
mission and I do feel a strong sense of obligation
to make sure that what I am learning, I am sharing.
And there is nothing I love more than creating a
space where a woman can be all of who she is,
(06:04):
not just the good parts, but the complicated parts, the
messy parts, the parts that have been traumatized, the parts
to still whole dreams. To create a space where she
can be all of who she is is one of
the things that I love doing the most. And to
be able to do that through a podcast, by sharing
my messy, complicated, beautiful parts, To be able to do
that through events like whatever means I'm able to do
(06:27):
that is what I am interested in doing.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And that's my mission.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Whether it's you know, forty thousand women like our last conference,
or it's you know, forty women or for women, or
just my daughters, like I do believe that I have
a gift in creating those spaces for women, and so yeah,
that's definitely my mission.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, I love to hear that, you know, even in
my right old age of thirty eight soon, I've recently
learned through like therapy that everything that we as people
that we go through and everything that we've been through,
and it's a part of us. It's built us to
be who we are today, whether it was messy or not.
But all of that, you just have to find peace
in it because it's who you are. It is what
(07:07):
made you the amazing person that's come along on this
journey so far. And I'm definitely taking key to that
and also listening to every word that you say of like,
you know, the journey's right, We're on the right space
right time, and we're aligned right where we're supposed to
be through the mess and all I do want to
jump to the podcast for a second, the Woman Evall podcast.
What's so special about this podcasting medium that you were like, Yeah,
(07:28):
a podcast? Why? A podcast for Sarah Jax?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Okay, So I started the podcast in twenty eighteen, and
at the time, I wasn't like I would speak whenever
I was invited to speak, but I wasn't speaking very regularly.
But there were these community of women who had met
on the blog who were like, you're my friend in
my head, you're my girl, like, and I wanted to
stay connected with them, so I started podcasting. It was Facebook,
(07:52):
a microphone and me going live and like interacting and
engaging with them every Monday. For years, I would just
do that, and that's how the podcast in. But as
my life began to change and evolve, I realized that
I couldn't continue to nail myself down to that particular
time slot and do it in a way that was excellent,
and so I had to be willing to know pun intended,
(08:13):
but like let the podcast evolve. And I thought to myself, well,
maybe I'll just interview women who are evolving in are
on a journey, and I'll still interview some of the
women who are connected with the movement, so it'll still
feel like I am engaging with them. But then I
realized that, like, I still want to be able to
get on there and ramble about what I'm learning about womanhood,
how it's changing me and affecting me. And so this
(08:34):
year allowed me to merge what I think made the
podcast so special when it was just on Facebook, but
also what I think makes it instrumental in hearing other
people's perspective and bring in this format that allows me
to catch up, to share my lessons, to share my scars,
to give advice to other women who feel like I'm
their sister, their cousin, their auntie in their head. And
(08:54):
then to still engage with movers and shakers who are
evolving so that I can get all of the tips
and tools for my girls who are listening at home.
So I feel like I have finally found the sweet
spot of how I can do the podcast in a
way that is authentic to who I am, but also
helpful and instrumental for the people who are listening.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, you know what it's interesting about that you say
that all of that. My favorite line of yours is
girl get up. There's something about that that connects with
the soul. It's like a kick in the butt or
push to just like keep moving, keep going forward, and
stay on your trial and keep going. It's just girl
get up. I love it. Every time I hear it,
I'm like, Okay, get itched together, Dolly, get together. What
(09:54):
does it mean for you to be part of the
Black Effect podcast network? Over here? We were ecstatic to
have you Joy in the family. We were so excited
to have you partner with us, and we were like,
we got her. I know Shar had been gung ho
about possibly trying to partner with you when he launched
the Black Effec in twenty twenty and we finally made
it happen and we launched January of twenty twenty four.
(10:15):
But how special is it and what does it mean
for you to be a part of the network?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Man? You know, I have to tell you that one
of the reasons why I just feel like the timing
aligned for joining the network is that I was moving
into a space where, on one hand, the podcast, I
was trying to find the sweet spot for to how
to make it authentic and original to who I am
and what made people connect with it in the first place,
(10:39):
while also transitioning into leadership in Dallas into senior leadership
at my father's church. And I think one of the
things that was really important to me is that I
wanted to make sure that I still maintained my authenticity
while also moving into a space that I think was
a little bit more traditional. And so the timing of
it was so God aligned because it made me realize
(11:00):
that God is going to make sure that I'm able
to like maintain this intersection of being authentic, being a
real woman, being a person whose faith is very central
and important to them. And I think Charlotte Magne just
embodies that with everything that he puts out. He's this
brilliant idiot, you know, all them stuff on the find
every idiot, but living in these intersections, I think that
(11:24):
he's really paved a way on how to make it work.
And I love the fact that they you know, a
lot of times when you're in spaces that aren't just
predominantly faith, they want you to like simmer down, don't
talk about it, but like it's nothing for me to
take a scripture and do a Bible study, but then
also be talking to somebody about working within the same
podcast and so allowing me to be all of who
(11:46):
I am as a woman, not just one Dimension's part
of the reason why I felt like this is finally
a fit that makes sense for who I am. This
intersection of living that everyone is navigating finally has a
home and expression with the Women Evolved Black Effect Partnership.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah, well, welcome home. We're happy to have you. One
more question about your podcast dream guest. You've had a
pretty good roundabout of guests. Write of guests on the
show be Simone, Kelly Rowland, pastor Bishop TD Jakes. Who
would be your absolute dream guest for your podcast?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
This is always changing, but okay, I want to talk
to Resa Tisa. I need to talk to RecA Tisa
at this point because what is happening. What happened, spilty,
We need to talk about it. I know it's supposed
to be somebody so deep, but I have to put
rec Tisa on there, and she is deep. No shade
to the queen, but I think that I also want
(12:44):
to talk to.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
A woman who.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Has found herself in an unexpected place of gratitude, peace, healing,
and restoration after surviving a lot of trauma, even though
no one knows her name, so it may not be
someone famous, but I just feel like that story will
never get old and I don't care whose name is
attached to it.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I did not expect Reesa Tisa just to put.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
That out, I know, right, But I.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Just feel like all she did was tell her story
which I can relate to, and she told her story
and it changed her life, and I just want to
experience that freedom and liberation with her.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
The things she thought would be like the.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Most shameful, most painful, is actually the thing that has
propelled her in a way that I think she least expected.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
I imagine the outcome to be what it was, yes,
starting her story to the world.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, so the podcast is very much of me minding
other people's business. So I would like to mind Meghan
Marko's business too, because girl's guilty.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I would love to know that too. We'll get to
work and trying to get them. We can probably guarantee Reesa.
I don't know about Meghan, but we'll try.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
We'll do it, we'll stretch, we'll do what we can.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Let's talk about your new book, launching April thirtieth, title
Power Moves. Ignite your confidence and become a force. What
inspired this piece.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Of literature, you know, coming off the hills of talking
about rest Tisa, I have to tell you she's a
prime example of power Moving because when she first starts
her series, she talks about her story being something that's
self shameful. She's called herself stupid, Like she says, all
of these self deprecating things that had enough power to
make her change the way that she saw herself or
spoke about herself. But the more that she told her story,
(14:25):
we began to see an evolution in her and her
confidence and her ability to own what happened to her
and still dream again. And I saw power move from
this space of shame, pain, fear, and rejection to a
space of an empowerment and authenticity. That is exactly what
this book is about. A lot of times people want
to make a power move. I want to close a
(14:45):
big deal, I want to do something that leaves a
mark in the earth. But before power can move outside
of you, power has to move inside of you. And
I want to help people understand what is holding your
power hostage? How do we discover that, unlock it, and
then be to move in the direction of purpose, of authenticity,
of ownership and accountability so that we can make the
(15:08):
type of power moves that end up leaving an imprint
on the earth that not just says that we were here,
but the fullness of who I am showed up in
a space that mattered. And sometimes I have to just
say this. A lot of times I think people think
platform when they think leaving a mark, But I'm talking
about changing the way your family sees things. I'm talking
about being there for your friends in a way that
(15:29):
make sure that they're never alone. There are so many
power moves that are available to us throughout the day,
but because we don't feel qualified, because we don't think
we have the ability to affect something strongly. That's what
power means. We allow our power to be dormant and
so power moves. It is a wake up call for
people to ignite your confidence and become a force.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
We need you.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
I love it. I can't wait to read it. I
look forward to it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I can't wait to get it to you. I got
some copies. I send them your way.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Oh, thank you, thank you. I'm still to buy one
because I like to support. I'll bite and get it,
but I'll take care. Yeah, I'll do that. Thank you
so much. When did you realize that you want.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
To be a writer?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
When did you realize that writing is something that I
wanted to get into, And you know, not even to
the extent of like I want to sell books, but
I just want to write. I want to just put
some words on paper and express what my thoughts and
my feelings are.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
It had to have been when I started blogging. So
I am married now, but this is my second marriage,
and I was in the middle of my first marriage
falling apart and I started blogging.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I think blogs were becoming a little bit of a thing,
but I wasn't really trying to build a platform. This
is going to be my online diary where I can
just type out everything and I'll let it live online
because I don't think anyone's going to see it so
very much. So wasn't trying to become anything. And when
I began writing, my world just started making sense, like
the pain finally had language. My hope was underneath the surface,
(16:51):
and I could bring some words to that. And it
felt like hope was something that was like a temptation
for a girl like me, like you can't be hopeful,
you can't think that you have any dream. And yet
underneath the surface of my pain and my anger were
all this hope and dream that wanted to come to
the surface. And so writing was my outlet. And it
just so happens that people would come and read that
(17:12):
blog and say, you gave me the words I've been
trying to say, and I'm like, girl, I give myself
the words I've been trying to say, and from there
a publisher approached me. I didn't seek to write a book.
A publisher approached me and asked me, did I want
to share my story? So I feel like everything happened
in my life by God's wisdom, but by accident, like
I stumbled into this life and I'm just trying to
be a good steward over what God's given me.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah, you didn't stumble. You're right what you're supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I think. So I do think I'm right where I'm
supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
But like I want to be one of those business
girlies that are like, here are ten steps to blowing
up your brand and doing XYZ. And I can tell
you what I've learned, but I can't own it like
that because I just said yes, and I've just tried
to make the best out of what God's given me.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Honestly, if you wouldn't have said that, I would have
never thought that you don't own it, because you own it.
You absolutely own it. And I can see why you've
been aligned with this life to do the work that
you're doing to help motivate and push people to authentically
be who they are and empower women from all over
the globe. One common theme and word that has come
up this talk has been hope. I want to jump
(18:15):
into that with our last question for the day. You know,
in today's world, I think it's safe to say that
everyone has endured some kind of hardship. If they haven't,
they're dealing with it right now. It's just not an
easy day and age to be, you know, living and
being and just existing. Do you have any advice for
someone who has essentially lost all hope, who feels like
there is no more that they can give and there's
(18:36):
no more for them to receive. What would be an
advice from you to them?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I would tell someone who was searching for hope in
their life that hope is not going to come prime delivery. Like,
if we're looking for hope to come in the form
of opportunities and relationships and even sometimes just good news,
we may be waiting some time to get it. But
if we start seeking out the hope that already exists
(19:03):
in this moment, we will be surprised to see that
small drops of hope are evident each day I was
taking my kids to school, I actually hope was the
word of the year for womanivolved last year, so I
feel very passionate about hope. But I was taking my
kids to school and I was like, we're going to
be late. I hope I'm not late. I hope I'm
not late. I dropped them out of the school. We
(19:23):
weren't late, and I just went about my day and
I felt convicted that, like, my hope was fulfilled in
the smallest of ways and I didn't even acknowledge it.
And there are so many moments throughout the day where
hope is fulfilled, even on a small level that we
don't acknowledge. But if we can acknowledge the small hope
that is being fulfilled, then it allows us to hold
(19:44):
on while we're waiting to come out of these moments
of sadness and darkness or hopelessness. Maybe hope isn't going
to come with one big gushing wave. Maybe it's going
to be dripped by drip. You look up and your
hope tank is full, So I would say look for
small hopes. Maybe even this podcast as reaching you right
now at this time and season of your life, is
just a small drop of hope that if I see you,
(20:06):
I send you You're going to be okay, just hang on.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
It was great speaking with you today, Sarah. It's been
a pleasure working with you and being in a partnership
of courses, the Black Effect Podcast Network, and we thank
you for your time.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Conversations is a production of iHeartRadio. You can find more
from the biggest names in podcasting on the iHeartRadio app
or wherever you get your podcasts.
iHeartRadio presents Conversations, a weekly discussion with the biggest names
and influencers in podcasting. I want to learn the secret
Psycho rituals scrubstars Zach Braff and Donald Beason used before
Every Fake Doctor's Real Friends taping how Vice News.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Parachutes into war zones to.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Rescue journalists from life threatening situations. For why Pagan, Michael Ke,
and Blumhouse believe three D audio is the future of storytelling.
Whether you're a newbie trying to break into the podcast
game or an exec trying to refine your playbook, Conversations
is the easiest way to keep your pulse on the industry.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I am Dolly s Bishop, President of The Black Effect
podcast Network and joining today's iHeart Speaker series. Is a businesswoman,
a New York Times bestselling author, and highly sought afterthought leader.
She is the founder of Women Evolved in the host
of Woman Evolved podcast right here on the Black Effect.
Please welcome Sarah Jake Robert. Hi, Sarah, how are you.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Of course we're so happy to have you today, and
of course we're excited that you're a new partner of
the Black Effect Podcast Network, your podcast Women Evolve, So
jumping right in, can you tell us a little bit
about your background? You were so many hats lady, from
entrepreneur to speaker, mother wife. Where did your journey to
excellence and being an agent for change begin?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
My journey towards excellence actually began as a teenager. I
really wasn't sure what I wanted to be when I
was going to grow up. But when I got pregnant
as a teenager, I knew that one thing I wanted
to be for sure was a good mom. And I
had no idea that my desire to become a good
(01:55):
mom would require a lot of twists and turns.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I think I arrived there. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I'll get my report card in about twenty years, but
I think I arrived there. And that's all I really
wanted was to be a good mom. And I think
because of my background, my father and mother in ministry,
these bishops td Jakes, and he founded this amazing church,
and I felt like the only way that I could
(02:19):
become excellent is if I got married and did all
of the things that I think religion said will clean
up our past. And it wasn't until I was in
my twenties that I began to realize that I wasn't
an excellent mom, even though I was married, even though
I had all of the things that were supposed to
make me excellent, I was actually broken and depressed and
(02:41):
dealing with anxiety. And I thought to myself, what if
I looked less about becoming excellent on the outside and
more about what that would look like on the inside.
I started blogging, connected with other women who were on
a similar journey, and I thought we were just like
this little community of misfits. But what I know now
that I didn't know then is that we're all on
a journey, and we're all sometimes working with wobbly legs
(03:04):
and broken paths, but we want to believe that there
is hope still available to us. And so I became
someone who was committed to not just discovering hope, but
embodying it for myself, for my children, and then allowing
other people to overflow from there. And so since then,
what I thought was just my journey that I would
share on a blog has become a movement, and we
(03:26):
do tours and events and podcasts, and we emails and
social media. We've got all of these touch points, but
it all centers around this story of a teenage mom
who just wanted to be better.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
How do you find balance between it all? The travel,
the work, like you say, the emails, the recordings, you know,
being so busy with the writing. How do you find
balance between family and career and just living.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You know, I am grateful that my parents kind of
went ahead of me in this path, because I don't
think they had any idea what to expect with like
your life just.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Kind of changing overnight.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
When you have this gift or grace or anointing that
just kind of consumes your life, you don't really know
what to plan.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Or prep for.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
And so as a result of learning from their journey,
I have learned to really keep my children central to
what I do. I never want my life to feel
bigger than our love, our bond and connection, and so
I prioritize making sure that my schedule fits.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Around their world and their life.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And sometimes that means that I don't get to progress
as quickly as I want to. I don't get to
take as many of this shiny opportunities that come my way,
but I prioritize them and what I have found is
I am choosing opportunities that have more quality, oftentimes than quantity.
And even with that, you know, I'm learning to say no,
(04:45):
I'm learning to delegate, I'm learning to disappoint people. I'm
learning to miss deadlines. I'm learning to execute sometimes months
in advance, so that I don't miss deadlines. It takes
a lot to figure out when I say yes to something,
how does it fit within the context of my world,
and really adjusting my world to fit that new demand.
But I learn by trial and error, and I try
(05:06):
to give myself grace to do that.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, you have to hold space for yourself, because if
you don't, you have space for no one and nothing else.
But through your messages, do your books, your podcasts, and
your social media influence, and of course the Woman Evolved movement,
which is a conference, there's book clubs, there's courses, there's
so much. A part of that, You've reached women from
all over this globe, not just locally, not just in
your state of Texas, not just in the US, but
(05:29):
the globe. Do you feel that it is your mission
to help women evolve and to be the best version
of themselves.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I do feel it's my mission.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I think it's my personal mission to evolve to constantly
ask myself, like, how can I become better?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
What does it look like for my spirit to.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Continue to provide light and to be connected with God?
And so I think feel like that is my personal
mission and I do feel a strong sense of obligation
to make sure that what I am learning, I am sharing.
And there is nothing I love more than creating a
space where a woman can be all of who she is,
(06:04):
not just the good parts, but the complicated parts, the
messy parts, the parts that have been traumatized, the parts
to still whole dreams. To create a space where she
can be all of who she is is one of
the things that I love doing the most. And to
be able to do that through a podcast, by sharing
my messy, complicated, beautiful parts, To be able to do
that through events like whatever means I'm able to do
(06:27):
that is what I am interested in doing.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And that's my mission.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Whether it's you know, forty thousand women like our last conference,
or it's you know, forty women or for women, or
just my daughters, like I do believe that I have
a gift in creating those spaces for women, and so yeah,
that's definitely my mission.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, I love to hear that, you know, even in
my right old age of thirty eight soon, I've recently
learned through like therapy that everything that we as people
that we go through and everything that we've been through,
and it's a part of us. It's built us to
be who we are today, whether it was messy or not.
But all of that, you just have to find peace
in it because it's who you are. It is what
(07:07):
made you the amazing person that's come along on this
journey so far. And I'm definitely taking key to that
and also listening to every word that you say of like,
you know, the journey's right, We're on the right space
right time, and we're aligned right where we're supposed to
be through the mess and all I do want to
jump to the podcast for a second, the Woman Evall podcast.
What's so special about this podcasting medium that you were like, Yeah,
(07:28):
a podcast? Why? A podcast for Sarah Jax?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Okay, So I started the podcast in twenty eighteen, and
at the time, I wasn't like I would speak whenever
I was invited to speak, but I wasn't speaking very regularly.
But there were these community of women who had met
on the blog who were like, you're my friend in
my head, you're my girl, like, and I wanted to
stay connected with them, so I started podcasting. It was Facebook,
(07:52):
a microphone and me going live and like interacting and
engaging with them every Monday. For years, I would just
do that, and that's how the podcast in. But as
my life began to change and evolve, I realized that
I couldn't continue to nail myself down to that particular
time slot and do it in a way that was excellent,
and so I had to be willing to know pun intended,
(08:13):
but like let the podcast evolve. And I thought to myself, well,
maybe I'll just interview women who are evolving in are
on a journey, and I'll still interview some of the
women who are connected with the movement, so it'll still
feel like I am engaging with them. But then I
realized that, like, I still want to be able to
get on there and ramble about what I'm learning about womanhood,
how it's changing me and affecting me. And so this
(08:34):
year allowed me to merge what I think made the
podcast so special when it was just on Facebook, but
also what I think makes it instrumental in hearing other
people's perspective and bring in this format that allows me
to catch up, to share my lessons, to share my scars,
to give advice to other women who feel like I'm
their sister, their cousin, their auntie in their head. And
(08:54):
then to still engage with movers and shakers who are
evolving so that I can get all of the tips
and tools for my girls who are listening at home.
So I feel like I have finally found the sweet
spot of how I can do the podcast in a
way that is authentic to who I am, but also
helpful and instrumental for the people who are listening.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, you know what it's interesting about that you say
that all of that. My favorite line of yours is
girl get up. There's something about that that connects with
the soul. It's like a kick in the butt or
push to just like keep moving, keep going forward, and
stay on your trial and keep going. It's just girl
get up. I love it. Every time I hear it,
I'm like, Okay, get itched together, Dolly, get together. What
(09:54):
does it mean for you to be part of the
Black Effect podcast network? Over here? We were ecstatic to
have you Joy in the family. We were so excited
to have you partner with us, and we were like,
we got her. I know Shar had been gung ho
about possibly trying to partner with you when he launched
the Black Effec in twenty twenty and we finally made
it happen and we launched January of twenty twenty four.
(10:15):
But how special is it and what does it mean
for you to be a part of the network?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Man? You know, I have to tell you that one
of the reasons why I just feel like the timing
aligned for joining the network is that I was moving
into a space where, on one hand, the podcast, I
was trying to find the sweet spot for to how
to make it authentic and original to who I am
and what made people connect with it in the first place,
(10:39):
while also transitioning into leadership in Dallas into senior leadership
at my father's church. And I think one of the
things that was really important to me is that I
wanted to make sure that I still maintained my authenticity
while also moving into a space that I think was
a little bit more traditional. And so the timing of
it was so God aligned because it made me realize
(11:00):
that God is going to make sure that I'm able
to like maintain this intersection of being authentic, being a
real woman, being a person whose faith is very central
and important to them. And I think Charlotte Magne just
embodies that with everything that he puts out. He's this
brilliant idiot, you know, all them stuff on the find
every idiot, but living in these intersections, I think that
(11:24):
he's really paved a way on how to make it work.
And I love the fact that they you know, a
lot of times when you're in spaces that aren't just
predominantly faith, they want you to like simmer down, don't
talk about it, but like it's nothing for me to
take a scripture and do a Bible study, but then
also be talking to somebody about working within the same
podcast and so allowing me to be all of who
(11:46):
I am as a woman, not just one Dimension's part
of the reason why I felt like this is finally
a fit that makes sense for who I am. This
intersection of living that everyone is navigating finally has a
home and expression with the Women Evolved Black Effect Partnership.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah, well, welcome home. We're happy to have you. One
more question about your podcast dream guest. You've had a
pretty good roundabout of guests. Write of guests on the
show be Simone, Kelly Rowland, pastor Bishop TD Jakes. Who
would be your absolute dream guest for your podcast?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
This is always changing, but okay, I want to talk
to Resa Tisa. I need to talk to RecA Tisa
at this point because what is happening. What happened, spilty,
We need to talk about it. I know it's supposed
to be somebody so deep, but I have to put
rec Tisa on there, and she is deep. No shade
to the queen, but I think that I also want
(12:44):
to talk to.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
A woman who.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Has found herself in an unexpected place of gratitude, peace, healing,
and restoration after surviving a lot of trauma, even though
no one knows her name, so it may not be
someone famous, but I just feel like that story will
never get old and I don't care whose name is
attached to it.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I did not expect Reesa Tisa just to put.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
That out, I know, right, But I.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Just feel like all she did was tell her story
which I can relate to, and she told her story
and it changed her life, and I just want to
experience that freedom and liberation with her.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
The things she thought would be like the.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Most shameful, most painful, is actually the thing that has
propelled her in a way that I think she least expected.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
I imagine the outcome to be what it was, yes,
starting her story to the world.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, so the podcast is very much of me minding
other people's business. So I would like to mind Meghan
Marko's business too, because girl's guilty.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I would love to know that too. We'll get to
work and trying to get them. We can probably guarantee Reesa.
I don't know about Meghan, but we'll try.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
We'll do it, we'll stretch, we'll do what we can.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Let's talk about your new book, launching April thirtieth, title
Power Moves. Ignite your confidence and become a force. What
inspired this piece.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Of literature, you know, coming off the hills of talking
about rest Tisa, I have to tell you she's a
prime example of power Moving because when she first starts
her series, she talks about her story being something that's
self shameful. She's called herself stupid, Like she says, all
of these self deprecating things that had enough power to
make her change the way that she saw herself or
spoke about herself. But the more that she told her story,
(14:25):
we began to see an evolution in her and her
confidence and her ability to own what happened to her
and still dream again. And I saw power move from
this space of shame, pain, fear, and rejection to a
space of an empowerment and authenticity. That is exactly what
this book is about. A lot of times people want
to make a power move. I want to close a
(14:45):
big deal, I want to do something that leaves a
mark in the earth. But before power can move outside
of you, power has to move inside of you. And
I want to help people understand what is holding your
power hostage? How do we discover that, unlock it, and
then be to move in the direction of purpose, of authenticity,
of ownership and accountability so that we can make the
(15:08):
type of power moves that end up leaving an imprint
on the earth that not just says that we were here,
but the fullness of who I am showed up in
a space that mattered. And sometimes I have to just
say this. A lot of times I think people think
platform when they think leaving a mark, But I'm talking
about changing the way your family sees things. I'm talking
about being there for your friends in a way that
(15:29):
make sure that they're never alone. There are so many
power moves that are available to us throughout the day,
but because we don't feel qualified, because we don't think
we have the ability to affect something strongly. That's what
power means. We allow our power to be dormant and
so power moves. It is a wake up call for
people to ignite your confidence and become a force.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
We need you.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
I love it. I can't wait to read it. I
look forward to it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I can't wait to get it to you. I got
some copies. I send them your way.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Oh, thank you, thank you. I'm still to buy one
because I like to support. I'll bite and get it,
but I'll take care. Yeah, I'll do that. Thank you
so much. When did you realize that you want.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
To be a writer?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
When did you realize that writing is something that I
wanted to get into, And you know, not even to
the extent of like I want to sell books, but
I just want to write. I want to just put
some words on paper and express what my thoughts and
my feelings are.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
It had to have been when I started blogging. So
I am married now, but this is my second marriage,
and I was in the middle of my first marriage
falling apart and I started blogging.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I think blogs were becoming a little bit of a thing,
but I wasn't really trying to build a platform. This
is going to be my online diary where I can
just type out everything and I'll let it live online
because I don't think anyone's going to see it so
very much. So wasn't trying to become anything. And when
I began writing, my world just started making sense, like
the pain finally had language. My hope was underneath the surface,
(16:51):
and I could bring some words to that. And it
felt like hope was something that was like a temptation
for a girl like me, like you can't be hopeful,
you can't think that you have any dream. And yet
underneath the surface of my pain and my anger were
all this hope and dream that wanted to come to
the surface. And so writing was my outlet. And it
just so happens that people would come and read that
(17:12):
blog and say, you gave me the words I've been
trying to say, and I'm like, girl, I give myself
the words I've been trying to say, and from there
a publisher approached me. I didn't seek to write a book.
A publisher approached me and asked me, did I want
to share my story? So I feel like everything happened
in my life by God's wisdom, but by accident, like
I stumbled into this life and I'm just trying to
be a good steward over what God's given me.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah, you didn't stumble. You're right what you're supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I think. So I do think I'm right where I'm
supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
But like I want to be one of those business
girlies that are like, here are ten steps to blowing
up your brand and doing XYZ. And I can tell
you what I've learned, but I can't own it like
that because I just said yes, and I've just tried
to make the best out of what God's given me.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Honestly, if you wouldn't have said that, I would have
never thought that you don't own it, because you own it.
You absolutely own it. And I can see why you've
been aligned with this life to do the work that
you're doing to help motivate and push people to authentically
be who they are and empower women from all over
the globe. One common theme and word that has come
up this talk has been hope. I want to jump
(18:15):
into that with our last question for the day. You know,
in today's world, I think it's safe to say that
everyone has endured some kind of hardship. If they haven't,
they're dealing with it right now. It's just not an
easy day and age to be, you know, living and
being and just existing. Do you have any advice for
someone who has essentially lost all hope, who feels like
there is no more that they can give and there's
(18:36):
no more for them to receive. What would be an
advice from you to them?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I would tell someone who was searching for hope in
their life that hope is not going to come prime delivery. Like,
if we're looking for hope to come in the form
of opportunities and relationships and even sometimes just good news,
we may be waiting some time to get it. But
if we start seeking out the hope that already exists
(19:03):
in this moment, we will be surprised to see that
small drops of hope are evident each day I was
taking my kids to school, I actually hope was the
word of the year for womanivolved last year, so I
feel very passionate about hope. But I was taking my
kids to school and I was like, we're going to
be late. I hope I'm not late. I hope I'm
not late. I dropped them out of the school. We
(19:23):
weren't late, and I just went about my day and
I felt convicted that, like, my hope was fulfilled in
the smallest of ways and I didn't even acknowledge it.
And there are so many moments throughout the day where
hope is fulfilled, even on a small level that we
don't acknowledge. But if we can acknowledge the small hope
that is being fulfilled, then it allows us to hold
(19:44):
on while we're waiting to come out of these moments
of sadness and darkness or hopelessness. Maybe hope isn't going
to come with one big gushing wave. Maybe it's going
to be dripped by drip. You look up and your
hope tank is full, So I would say look for
small hopes. Maybe even this podcast as reaching you right
now at this time and season of your life, is
just a small drop of hope that if I see you,
(20:06):
I send you You're going to be okay, just hang on.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
It was great speaking with you today, Sarah. It's been
a pleasure working with you and being in a partnership
of courses, the Black Effect Podcast Network, and we thank
you for your time.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Conversations is a production of iHeartRadio. You can find more
from the biggest names in podcasting on the iHeartRadio app
or wherever you get your podcasts.
Host
Conal Byrne
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.