John Wall on Kentucky's Future and Spencer Dinwiddie on Lakers Playoff Keys

John and C.J. talk about the situation with Coach Calipari at Kentucky after the upset loss in the NCAA Tournament. They are then joined by Spencer Dinwiddie who discusses his reason for choosing the Lakers, why he loves going back to Colorado to see Deion Sanders and the Buffaloes, the intensity of playing with LeBron James and the keys for the Lakers as they fight for a playoff spot.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to Point Game with John Wall and CJ. Toldonald,
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is yours this point Point Game everybody. On today's episode,
we're gonna be joined by Lakers guard Spencer Dinwiddie. But first,
and of course, we got my co host, John Wall. John,

(00:28):
how you feeling, man?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I'm good. I'm just guy back from a vacation, so
I'm good, just relaxing and I got a new background, so.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Can it. We just explained that vacation wasn't due to
what happened last Friday. Vacation was already playing. But I
did you know what I'm alluding to here is your
Kentucky Wildcats got upset in that first round. So we
wanted to get your first reaction to watching that game,
like to walk us through it. Where were you at?

(00:58):
How did you feel watching that game? Man? What were
some of your your thoughts coming out of it?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I was at Cabo at the Bar, and I was
very upset watching the game because you know, like probably
like me and most people, we had them going far.
I mean yeah, And that's one thing you love about
Marsh Maddins is it's always a lot of upsets and
a lot of great basketball. And it's not like the
NBA where you got win the first team to four.

(01:24):
You just got to be great that one game. It's
just like the NFL playoffs. So it's just one of
those games where you know, I mean, like I said before,
I told y'all, guys make all type of shots. When
you're playing a screw like a taket, it's like their
super Bowl. And when the game starting, the gut got
high early on, I was like, it's gonna be a
long game and it's about who making shots. And we
got a team like Oakland. You got to put those

(01:46):
guys away earlyer you give those guys any type of
hope they feel like they can stick into the game.
And some of our guys didn't play at the level
that they used to playing that uh then we made
miss a lot of shots. But you gotta give a
lot of credit to Oakland. I mean, for that one day,
that one game they played better. That's all they needed
to advance. And then they played a great next game
against NC State and almost won and lost in overtime.

(02:06):
So I'm really upset about that though.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah you're still upset right now, Like how did you
try to blow off some steam after that game.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I tried to enjoy my vacation, and my vacation was
kind of messed up when they lost. And then, you know,
like you always got those friends like what happened? What
I mean, textan call them. I'm like, bro, that's my school.
I'm mad they lost, but I wasn't playing, so like
stop calling me, Like I can tell you what they
did wrong, Like you know what I mean. Like, like one
thing I always said about them, I knew they had
all the pieces to win it. That was a great team,
great depth, lot of young talent. That night, they didn't

(02:36):
make threes and they didn't defend well. I mean, that's
one thing I always told you that I was worried
about about them, that they didn't defend at a high level.
But some of that you couldn't even guard. Like that
guy's making tough contested shots all night. And that's how
it goes. I mean, the tournament is one game and
go home, and we went home.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Early, and I think you know, the real part of
it is I think some people are coming at coach
Cal and you played with Cal, like in your cal like,
what do you have to say about some of those
critics out there that are putting them on the hot
seat after.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
This The same critics that praised it when he had
a lot of one that done guys and had a
lot of freshmen and went far, they didn't say it then.
I mean, it ultimately goes. Everybody always wants to win
the national championship. I mean, but you know when I
was there, a lot of teams had a lot of
juniors and seniors and year guys, and a lot of
these teams that you see that kind of advancing. They

(03:26):
got guys that staying extra years. You know, nil is
helping gods stay extra couple of years, then trying to
force their way to the league after freshman year, you know.
I mean, so that experience comes into play, you know
what I mean? Like I felt because when we when
we was playing Oakland, I was watching, I was like,
it's seven minutes ago. With six minutes ago, that's a
lot of time. It's like thirty forty five minutes in
reality lifetime. But when you're on the court and the
game is going with that speed. You think, oh, I

(03:47):
got to make a big shot here, I got to
take a big shot, and those kind of convert to
hurting your team, you know what I mean, Like look
at the game last night. You're watching Houston and Texas
A and M. I mean, like they take in them.
They had a lot of guys that was a little older,
so they stayed in the game. They kept fighting, kept fighting.
Then while they make a big shot at the shot,
the shot get a couple turnover with mis free throws

(04:09):
and then forced overtime. You know, they end up still
losing the game. But many and thirty can feel like
it's over in two seconds. But if you playing the
foul game, make a shot foul game, that could take
twenty twenty five minutes. So I think like our guys
was young, and they started taking bad shots and foursing shots,
but we had a couple of good looks, you know
what I mean, They didn't go down. Those guys made
big shots, So you got to tip your had the Oakland.

(04:29):
But col not tripping off that you I mean, he
wanted to go further. He wanted to coach that team.
Like you said, that's for me watching and being playing
a kitake, and I felt that's one of those teams
that could have went far and had a chance to
win it all. But you could say that about almost
every team that almost had. It's just all about being
a better team that one day, right.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
And he talked about the older guys. You know that
some of these players who played, you know, it's the
third fourth year. I mean also with the COVID year
like it just you got twenty five year olds playing
in these games, playing against you know, eighteen year olds
like And we talked about how NI kind of like
changes some of the decisions being made. Do you think
some of the Kentucky guys are reconsidering, you know, maybe
uh declaring for the draft or or just reconsidering, you know,

(05:10):
their future plans because they kind of exited a little
bit earlier than they thought they would.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Oh, I don't know. I mean, I haven't really talked
to months of the gods, but I think some of
them will come back then. I think they got a
good recruiting class coming in. But uh, I feel like
now you're not forced, you're not forcing yourself to jump
to the league just because you feel like, uh, it
might be a financial issue anything like that, like Neil,
but I you have opportunity to make some money while
you're in college, and if you need the second year
or third you can definitely go back and then you

(05:36):
and I can probably go higher, you know what I mean.
So it's not forcing yourself. Then you go to the
second round, you know, you don't go drafted, and then
you're messing up your career and then you start never
getting the opportunity to fel what the league is like,
and you're going overseas. So I think that's a consideration
that the families have to have. And Uh, at the
end of the day, you just hope the kids make
decisions for themselves, you know what I mean, what's best

(05:57):
for them in that decision. I mean, before, you know,
some kids may decision because they feel like I need
to financial stuff now, But now I don't think you
really need it as much. So I hope those kids
really sit down and make a decision that's best for
them and best for their career, not just forcing the issue.
All right.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
I wanted to move into NBA. One of the stories
that's making headlines right now is that we're looking at
the standings Warriors are a game. The Rockets are a
game behind taking the Warriors spot, I meaning the Warriors
want of them make the playing And that's kind of
crazy because you know, you had staph, you had Draymond,
you had Clay, you know, pretty healthy. So say you
were and I talked. I know, you've been talking about

(06:33):
how you want to be a GM in the future.
So you know, cut to this summer. They don't make
the playoffs. What would you do if you were their GM?

Speaker 2 (06:41):
What would I do? Yeah, they got a lot of
tough decisions to make, you know what I mean, because
I feel like Steph is always going to be stuff.
I mean, Draymond's is the glue to that guy that
brings them that fight, that firepower, to dog that they need.
You have cominga that has blosted them into a young start,
you know, I mean not as souper starting out to start,
but young starter has finally figured his way out. And

(07:03):
I think now their offense changes a little bit. You know,
in the past, it's always been Steff, then Clay and
whoever next? Now is Steph trying to comminga and how
do you change that? You know, usually throw the ball
in the post to Kameno or Draymond. It's a lot
of split. Actually, now Kamenia gets in the posts, he's
going to create and be aggressive, So I think he's

(07:24):
up for a stenchion or all thinks he's going to
his fourth year so he can have a stenchion, or
they give him a qualifying offer. You have to make
that decision. Clay's was willing to take the situation of
coming off the bench, and he's been playing a lot
better since that, so he's fine with that. You know,
they have the young, young rookie guy that's been playing well,
so I think they have to figure out that. And

(07:45):
you know, Trace Jackson Davis has been played well, Looney
hasn't begin as many minutes, Wiggins is figuring himself out.
So I think they got to figure if they want
to keep a lot of older guys or they want
to go a little bit younger. Yeah, I think. I
mean Mike Dunaby is a great GM, I think, and
he didn't know what he's doing, so there's all of
him like he played the game. He know about the game,
he knows how things work. And I think a lot

(08:05):
of players, if they become more GMS, they understand the game.
They know what pieces fit what doesn't. So I think
they do a great job. I mean hopefully they should
get in. I mean, but no, when he got one
game away and what twelve or thirteen more games left,
it's a lot of teams competing in Every game means something,
every game matters.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, it just it would feel weird for the Warriors
not to make And I think that's one of those
major shifts. Like could you ever see a scenario because
I think they were talking about the Warriors were going
after Lebron, you know, at the free agency earth the
trade deadline. Do you ever think there's a situation where
Steph is not on the Warriors.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Nah, I really don't think so. I think he's just
one of those guys that finished his career one team,
kind of like dirting the Whizky or code unless the
organization come, you know, like stuff. We appreciate everything. Yeah,
we just feel like you just move on, like we're
trying to go in a different direction. But I don't
see that. But you know, never know how that can
go and how that conversation would be brought upon. But
you probably never thought the words of being his position

(09:02):
being fully healthy. You know, I don't think so, but
you know, things happening, the league is changing, teams are
getting better, so you never know, but you never could
count them out because they can be a team that
can get in, get hot, and like the year they
beat the Celtics and to find nobody expected them to
be there. Yeah, and they did.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Okay. So on the flip side of that, we were
talking about the team that sort of might take over
the Warriors spot at tenth the Rockets. And the thing
that I see the criticism from some of the fans,
some Rockets fans themselves, is that like Jalen Green and Shangoon,
they're both you know, up and coming players, and that
they don't play together well like when one is out,
you know, the team starts trending. So and I also

(09:40):
saw that Shawn's drop some a little bit of a
rumor that they were potentially going to trade you know
from a Cal Bridges with Jalen Green and some picks,
which thank god that didn't go through. But so, what
are your sort of thoughts on the Rockets coming up?
As you know, I think they have the pieces, but
they might have some decisions that they need to make
to make that next step.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, I feel like bringing new culture is great for them,
making adjustment. Adding some veteran guys in there. They helped
the team, help the locker room out a whole lot.
And I mean guys getting better and working over the summer.
But that goes back to being a GM, like you
have to figure out ways of who do I keep more,
you know, I mean if I'm keeping Sangoon or keeping
Jalen green or I'm keeping both of them. I mean,

(10:22):
how can we get those two guys. It's the bright
piece of our future to play well, you know what
I mean. And you know, at the same time, you
have Fred van Fleet. That's a great guard, that was
that found way won a championship, then did well with
Toronto and he's there and he's always been like a
scoring guard, you know what I mean. So it's like
the games, but if you look at lately a lot

(10:43):
of games, he hasn't been scoring as much. He's been
getting more and more sistent. I mean, he can do
both at a high clip, but he's more so just
been running the team and putting the ball in Jailen
green Head and Jalen's being blossom them from that but
when Fred wants to be aggressive, Jalen's really not at
a high level of scoring, you know what I mean.
So say like you got to figure out what's the
best balance you think is best for them and what's
best for their situation. And we all can say it's

(11:06):
looking great now that he didn't trade Jalen. But we
know what mchall Bridges can do. He's always ready every night,
he plays at a high level. He plays on both
ends of the floor. I think that kind of triggered
Jalen a little bit, you know what I mean. I mean,
Sagolle was one of close to also make an All
Star this year, and Jalen was playing well but not
so great early on, struggling, and then Sagoon gets hurt.

(11:27):
Then he hears the trade rooms, he don't get traded,
and now his game is starting to blossom. But it's
like the last three years, he's always after All Star
break goes to another level. So I mean, the GM
do a great job. They're just trying to figure out
what's best, what pieces of that around him. But I mean,
we all know how athletic he is, how talenty is is,
how can he do it on a consistent basis, be
efficient enough for us to win, and what they tend

(11:49):
and went out of their last eleven games. So they
on a hot street, they on the right row, and
they're being some good teams. And also you got to
think like Jabari Smith has been playing the five, so
that's more spacing out for them and more shooting instead
it's Agoing that's on the block, scoring pass. And so
you have to figure out what works best for your team,
where works for your situation.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, well said okay, before we go to break. I
didn't want to ask this because you you had mentioned
your head into McDonald's All American next week, and I
know that with your tournaments and your you know, leagues
in AU and all that that you sort of put
on for the young guys. So I wanted to see,
you know, what are some names out there that people
who aren't, you know, hip to the to the high
school game. Who are some names you're excited to see

(12:28):
at McDonald's All American.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Oh, it's a lot of talent, man, It's a lot
of talent.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Is there anyone who reminds you of you?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
No? I don't like that. I don't like when anybody
act day says that, like that makes me very questioned.
It's like a lot of people always like even when
a lot of guys is coming to after I came out,
it was like, oh, this guy reminds me of John Waller.
This guy's like John Waller. This guy, I'm like, bro,
you can't do that, like let them be theyself. The
only person I can say that was kind of like
me and kind of made the path and did what

(12:57):
he did with Dean Fox right. Like that's when I
was like, okay, like I can see the resemblance of
me at times. You know, I mean lefty. I'm not lefty,
but I do everything left in it like him fast
as sposed to, you can pass. But other than that,
I just like to see talent, man, you know. I mean,
it's a lot of great talent going out. I mean,
y'all talk about the Kentucky kids. You got koble Flagg.
Always been a fan of Koker Flag the way he
plays and stuff. So it's a lot of great talent.

(13:19):
I'm just ready to go out there and see the show,
you know. I mean, good opportunity to joy some good basketball,
slim dunk contest, all that type of stuff. I'm definitely
watching the girls w the college girls, you know. I mean,
it's a lot of great talent there. You just see
the junior girl have forty something last night and sixteen rebounds.
So I'm tuning into that right now. But I'm just
ready to go to McDonald's just see like post size

(13:39):
of the basketball and support as much as I can.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, man, all right, we're gonna take a break here
when we come back on point game percent of by DraftKings,
we're gonna have guest Lakers guard Spencer Dinwiddie. So we
were right back on point game. Welcome back to point
Game with John Walls, he told Donald, presented by DraftKings.
All right, we're gonna bring on our special guest for

(14:04):
the episode thirty eighth pick in the twenty fourteen NBA Draft.
That's three spots before Yokich, the mayor of Colorado, and
the man who dropped twenty six last night for my Lakers,
your Lakers against his Pacers. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to
the show, Spencer Dinwiddie. Spencer, how you feeling, man.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
I'm feeling great. We flew them Milwaukee today and get
ready to play tomorrow. You know, the NBA never stops,
so you know, it's just part of it.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, I appreciate you joining us. I know you were
on the plane and so I was watching the game.
Of course last night, watch every game, and it was
it was exciting to see you drop twenty six and
it was your biggest game with the Lakers. Can you
just can you kind of tell us maybe what was
different about last night that kind of like you know,
attributed to the big game you had.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, I mean, obviously some of it is just comfortability.
I think I have, like you know, ten to fifteen
games out of my belt, and then obviously I mean
it was out. Uh you know, so I got to start,
I got a different volume of possessions, style of possessions,
and again, like we we want to be full strength
at all time. But you know, sometimes in the league

(15:13):
when somebody goes down and it opens up opportunity for
another person. And so I just played a little bit
more familiar position than what I usually do.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yees Spence, how you feel like you know, like you
said before, like sometimes you got to roller come off
the bench. Sometimes you got to roller starting like you're
only being ten fifteen games and like how do you
find how to turn that switch on? I mean, because
there's always difficult with certain plays. They can't they don't
know when it turned on and when it turned off.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
I mean, honestly, I think some of that goes back to,
you know, what we talked about in terms of being
like a second round guy, being all types of different options.
In my career in the league, right, like I've been
everything from even even I've done stints is a number
one option when everybody was hurt in the KD Kyrie year,
you know, all way down to fifteenth man talle waving

(16:02):
and knowing I was never gonna play and watching guys
like you, you know, kill the pistons, you know. So
I think that allows me to be flexible and adaptable
and just kind of read the room in a sense.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, Spencer, what's it been like playing with Lebron? Like
you came in this situation, you chose it. It was between
the Maus and Lakers, and you knew that the spotlight
was going to be a little bit bigger. So I'm curious,
what's it been like playing with Lebron? And do you
have any stories of you know, when you played against
him and now that. And now do you have any
stories playing with him?

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Oh man, stories playing against him? I think, you know,
just being in an Eastern conference, like he ran the
East for so long. You know, when I was in Detroit,
obviously he uh just went back to the Calves. So
that was that was right at the height of the
Calves and Warriors and all that stuff, and you know
he was he was running through the East at that
point in time. I think the biggest thing I take

(16:55):
away from being around him every day and being on
the same team as him as just his routine, his
meticulous attention to detail. And you can see why he's
been able to be in the league for twenty years
at such a high level. I mean, it's ridiculous to
still be a you know, twenty seven seven and seven
guy for twenty years, Like that's that's insanity, Like that'd

(17:16):
be a career year for most guys, Like should actually,
I think my career is twenty one and seven to
be honest. You know, so he doing that every year
walking out the bed.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah. So now you know, you back home, you get
to play for your La Natives. I mean, you're La Native,
you get to play for home, Like, how does that
feel to be able to play home. I know it
could be a lot of pressure sometimes, you know, to
me being back home, being around family, everybody want tickets
and all day like I feel to be back home
and enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I mean, like you said, there definitely is a certain
amount of pressure as everybody wants tickets every game. I
don't think there's been a game where I haven't had,
you know, eight to ten tickets that had to go out,
like that's minimum. You know, we might be twenty thirty,
you know on any given night, especially if playing like
the Warriors, and I'm like, man, come on, like this
ain't the game for that. It's expensive. But in general though,

(18:10):
I think, you know, it's a dream come true. Like
I'm not one of those la guys gonna sit here
and lie like you know, I was rooting for the
Clippers growing up, Like that's not what it was like
it was it was Lakers or nothing, championship or nothing.
And so to be a part of that at any
point in time in your career is a blessing and
and so that that definitely contributed to the decision as well.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Spencer, do you remember the moment you became a Kobe
fan like watching him play and then fast forward to that.
Do you remember like the first time you met him
when you got in the league.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah, So for me being a Kobe Fams kind of
just like part of it, right, Like, you know, he
started ninety six. I was born in ninety three. I
started playing basketball around like four or five, you know
what I'm saying. So, like the fact that you're an
LA guy, it's Lakers everything, cod In like his first
second year, it just was a natural marriage in that sense,

(19:06):
right Like there there didn't have to be a moment.
It was like, you know, you locked onto your team
from your city coach, the guy like coming up and
obviously already becoming a star by his you know, second
year stuff. So it just was like natural, you know
what I'm saying. And then yeah, I actually got connected
to him early in my career through somebody used to

(19:26):
work with you know, she she puts in contact and
so I was able to talk to him off and on.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
That was that was That was a big time for
me because I got to meet Idol, conversement Idol. But
still there was such a distance from the standpoint of
he still got to kind of remain an idol versus
almost being a real person until later in my career.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
So now y'all in the playing tournament right now, like
fighting for that spot. Things were like twelve thirteen games left,
Like how is that mindset going on? You know, like
usually we don't have to play in tournament. You know,
usually their first eight teams get in, and now you
have those four teams that's fighting and trying to stay
in that spot and not slip. What is your mindsetting
and focus is knowing y'all got like twelve to thirteen
games left and y'all want to be in that spot

(20:11):
and get opportunity to have a last playoff spot to fight.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, I mean I think we feed off of Brian A. D.
And obviously they're locking in. Like I said, they're kind
of you can see their attention to detail, their focus
kind of rising. I mean you know this, like you know,
the season kind of goes in waves, and after all
Star Break you kind of get a little more serious.
And as you hit March, he gets even a little
bit more serious, and those guys are are turning that corner,

(20:37):
flipping that switch. And then obviously you know with those
two on the floor, we feel like we can beat anybody.
And so as we're coming down this home stretch right now,
we're trying to win every game. And some of that
is seating obviously, of course, but like a lot of
that just is us wanting to play the right way,
be in the position that we want to be in

(20:58):
as a team, you know, so that like we're playing
good basketball and believing that we can beat anybody, whether
it be a playing or you know, normal seeding in
the playoffs, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Spencer, what's your in season or yeah, like your in
season routine, you know, with all the travel and you
just moved in the middle of the season, Like what
is your daily routine in like stand in shape? And
also like you know, you can go from playing twelve
minutes one night to you know, starting and playing a
full game yesterday. So what do you do to like
maintain the best you.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
I mean, obviously there's a lot of treatment, physical therapy, uh,
you know, diet, but really I think the NBA kind
of and John could attest to this, the NBA kind
of breaks down into three days, three types of days.
There's a game day, light practice day, and a heavy
practice day. There is no real off day. There is
no you know, weekends like it don't matter, like you

(21:55):
could be playing on Saturday, you could be playing on Tuesday.
And so you know, obviously, like I said, light practice
day usually it means we're coming off of maybe be
a back to back or you know, we got three
and five or something of that nature, and you know
your your focus is more so on the body at
that point, you might be doing a more mobility focused lift.

(22:16):
You know, definitely getting a like some like a massage
whatever at that point in time. Heavy practice obviously goes
without saying you're you're actually getting in the gym, You're
getting up and down whatever that is for hour two
hours and then you know, game day, I mean we
show up with three hours before I go on the court.
For about twenty minutes, I sit in the normal tech

(22:36):
boots for like forty minutes. I do like grasping and
mobilion and stuff for another hour, and then you know,
about sixty minutes on the clock or so, I take
a shower and that's like my that's not my pre
game superstition is like I got to take a shower
for a game, and then we go out and we
play and then we go to next it and we
do it all over again.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Say it ain't so for sure that you gotta have routine.
My one course I want to know because you had
a major engine tanker acl and I had one with
my achilles. Like try to tell the young players, like
how your mindset was and your focus is, because you know,
like attacking the rehab is the most important thing. So
how did you feel about that? Because I think during
that year around the same time as like was a
contract year or a stint year, if I'm not mistaken,

(23:17):
And like, how is your mindset was, because you know,
you can be at the point where I got it
Harry back, but I mean to make sure I'm healthy,
to make sure I'm able to be playing at a
high level. So how was your mindset and your process
doing that rehab process?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Honestly, the funny part is like both times I've gotten
hurt was like right when I was supposed to get
either drafted, paid, whatever. So like the first one I
got hurt, I was going into the league, so I
declared for the draft for the touring left a cl
and then uh, you know it was contract year and
that was like coming off of the twenty one point

(23:49):
in game season, I'm thinking like, Okay, I'm going to
really hit the bank for Bag.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Bag, you know we're supposed to win the championship. We
got Katie Kyrie, Like I knew I wasn't gonna that
same little bit. I'm thinking, you know, if I get
thirteen fourteen and we win a championship, bro, I'm walking
into something stupid. Uh might say it again. So I
think that one probably a little bit of like anxiousness,

(24:17):
to be honest, like the first one, I was. I
was scared because I had never been hurt before in
my career, Like you know, you're playing in high school
and stuff, you just don't get hurt, Like shit don't happen,
Like you know, you fall, you get out, but yeah,
you know, you fall, you get up. So I think
I was scared with the first one because I was like, oh, no,
are they gonna still draft me or not. I think
I was more so anxious and like sad with the

(24:37):
second one because I was like, you know, what if
I have to take a proven deal or a minimum
or whatever. So you know, I bowed that up in
the experience from the first one and took that to
my rehab and that schedule was insane that I mean shoot,
So I went I left Brooklyn, I went to back

(24:58):
to LA and basically it was three days, five days
a week, and on the sixth day was a half day.
So like I would get up, I'd be at PT
at six to seven thirty, I'd do a mobility lifts
seven thirty to nine. I then go home, eat breakfast,
go to my like more manual therapy from like eleven

(25:20):
to like one, and then I'd do an Olympic lifting
session from one to two thirty, and then I'd drive
to go to the gym and I shoot from like
two thirty to three thirty something like that, or maybe
my hours are messed up, but back another hour of shooting,
and then I'd come home, eat dinner, and be in
bad by like ten, cause I had to get up

(25:43):
and be back at the spot at six. And that
was Monday through Friday, every single day for five months.
And then on Saturday I would go get like basically
all steal slash chiropractor like adjustment and then just do
another like kind of that one was like a more
flexible kind of mobility slash Olympic lifting. That was kind

(26:04):
of like more light just how I was feeling, and
then Sunday was off and then we did all over again.
Like that's that's all I did for five months and
that's how I came back.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Literally, Yeah, that's crezzy after that, you know, recovery, you know,
I think a lot of people talk about with the
acl especially, it's like acl Achilles all that. You know,
they talk about, oh, they're going to come back one
hundred percent, and I think, like, it's tough to come
back one hundred percent. Sometimes you don't know, but when
you hit that chord after they you know, they cleared
you did you have to relearn some stuff where there's

(26:35):
some stuff where you're like, oh I got to you know,
I got a compensate or learn, you know, some new
techniques to my game. Like what was your mindset coming
back from that injury?

Speaker 3 (26:44):
I think as I did it before and I had
signed prior to even playing, I kind of was like
fuck it, Like I was more so I'm serious, like
this is real. Like the first one. It was more
so like apprehensive, are like I said it, kind of
scared they're gonna draft me. Okay, draft me. Let me
just kind of get in here and like figure it

(27:05):
out and maybe tinker with my game and stuff. The
second one. So I showed I was healthy, right, Like,
I did all the physical tests and whatever. So I
was healthy. But I signed in obviously July whatever it was,
so you don't play until obviously like October. So when
I went out to the playoffs, was like, shit, I'm free.
Fuck it.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, like Mike hurt, God got no pressure for no pressure?

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, no, like because you gotta remember now, obviously, if
I were to get hurt in another contract year, there's
a certain level of pressure because I think I'm gonna,
you know, have another deal, you know, play again, hopefully
come back to La et cetera.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
But if you get hurt in the first year of
a sixty million dollars deal, even if you're like, like,
let's say, God forbids terrible like in the Kids or something,
and I was just like, you know what, I'm going
to retire. This too much for me. Well, I would
just plan for that financially and just say, hey, look,
I signed for sixty million. God didn't want it for me.
It is what it is, like, you know, you know,

(28:03):
I mean, you know what I'm saying. But you know,
obviously Achilles is worse than acl and I mean I
probably put BA talent tendon up there, but Ace is
probably third. So came back from those.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Question like how dope is it for like you see
your son watch you play, like I know that feels amazing,
Like I mean to be a father and him being
there and watching you play, Like what kind of chills
did that give you? Because you're playing at the highest
level that you could play at, and it's probably give
him motivation to whatever sport he wanted to go through
and play. At one point, you're showing him the work
act and how you have to be dedicated and discipline
to get to where you want to get to.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
That was one of the things that was like how
I treated myself when I signed it. So you know,
when you sit down for your financial advice on the stuff,
they going over what you're gonna make and what you're
gonna do, and I was like, my son sitting court
sided all the games and I don't care what it costs.
At the time, obviously I was doing Wizards probably, so

(29:01):
that was that was cool.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I mean, as you know, it was cool. That's a
little different than being in l A you.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Know, like that Brooklyn taxed me too, but I did it.
But Lakers, there's no chance, there's not a there's not
a shot I would. I'd be playing for free right now.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Like straight up.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I was on the Clippers and they wanted to I
was on the Clippers and luckily my kids, they was
in Miami, so they would come for a couple of games.
But I was like, you know what, we see that
another time.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, so they're like they're about the tunnel of stuff.
But you know, so I could, I could see him
on the walkout, but no no chances getting course out
for Lakers. But in general, though, like it's it's I mean,
there's there's no greater feeling. I think a lot of
guys grow up, especially with the dreams that we've had.
Typically when I hear guys talking like I wanted to

(29:54):
make it in bed, I wanted to have a firstborn son,
you know what I'm saying, Like like that that bond
of sharing it with somebody, right that we probably didn't
get to necessarily share it, you know, in the same
way as other people, because you know, unless you had
a dad, uncle, whatever in the league kind of showing
you the way you didn't get to experience that. You know,
some guys may or may not have that male figure

(30:16):
in your life, Like I'm blessed to have my father,
but he didn't play any sports at all. Like it
wasn't you know. I'm the first of my family to
do it. And so to be able to like sit
down and be like, hey, son, this is what I've
done and how we did it, and even next to
like being able to meet the Lebron's of the world
or kds or whatever it is, like that's that's a
dope experience for him that he may not actively remember

(30:39):
when he's older, but like he'll see a picture and
be like, man, I was there and just kind of
you know, grasp the moment.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, sure, going.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
I wanted to go back because I was talking about
sort of the spotlight you have on you when you
play for the Lakers, and that spotlight can be kind
of like a microscope, because I think it was in
one of your first interviews after you signed with the Lakers,
you an analogy that just sent like Lakers Twitter and
NBA Twitter kind of like confused. I knew what you're saying,
but the just to requote you it was you said,

(31:08):
signing with the MAVs is like your mama saying it's okay,
don't worry about it. And then the Lakers is like
your dad saying, no, you got to go out and fight.
To you when people are like, what is Spencer talking about?
Can you just like clarify that for us?

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, So basically what I was saying is I made
a bully reference. Right, So basically Brooklyn would have been
a bullet whooped my ass, you know what I'm saying.
And you know, whether that was fair or not, whether
it was correct or not, it is what it is
and it happened.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
They sent me to Toronto basically to salary dump me,
had me cut all the other stuff like that was
the move that they did. And so now you're looking
at your NBA career and you say, okay, where what's
the next move? What's the next decision?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (31:48):
If you look at where I've played, well, it was
in Brooklyn, and it was in Dallas, and you know Dallas.
I have a ton of friends over there, you know, Lucas,
my dog Kyrie's amazing. You know, like it would have
been like going home in a sense after you got
your ass whooped, and your mama being like it's okay, Like,
don't worry about it. She embraced you, she gets you

(32:09):
a hug, like it's okay. You know what I'm saying.
For people that understand growing up in those type of environments,
et cetera, your dad's probably gonna be like, no, you
go back out there, you fight till you win. Like
I knew, I wasn't promised anything. I wasn't guaranteed anything
with the Lakers. I knew it was going to be
an unfamiliar environment. The microscope of the Lakers, the microscope
of lebron Championship only you know all other stuff. But

(32:33):
I felt like in that moment, it was best for
me to kind of say, you know what, dust yourself off,
go out there and fight, figure it out as it goes,
and you know, when the dust sells, well, see where
we're at. So that was really the only reference.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I know.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Some Dallas fans took it weird, but I was talking
about like comfort zones and all that stuff, And I
said before like that was was the most fun I
ever had in my career. We went to the Conference
finals like I was, and I was cook it from
half the time.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Second, I was like, yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
You know what I'm saying, that's type ers. I was
averaging twenty points five. It says like whatever whatever, like
you know, and obviously lucas generational. But I was out
there getting my getting my units, you know what I'm saying,
and doing whatever I wanted to as well. You know
what I'm saying. So why would I not love them?
Whold I not want to go back to I mean,
I think people saw the energy when I went to
the next game, like those are my dogs, It's my family.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
You know.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I still text you know, Duds and sham got and
and some of the coaches to this day. So it's
it's not It wasn't like bad. I don't know why
it got twisted like that, Whereas like the Lakers. You know,
I knew d Loo and some of the guys, but
I didn't have like a like like corporate knowledge. I
didn't know what I was truly truly walking into. You
know what I'm saying. I didn't really have any prior
relationship with Brian either.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
You know that, go man, people are gonna take one
little segment out of what you say and run with it.
That just said, nature fact, So you chose Colorado as
your college. You picked them up at Harvard, Oregon, Santa
Clare you NV, Like, what made you pick Colorado out
of all those schools?

Speaker 3 (34:03):
I mean really, it was just a situation where like
they wanted me, like they really really loved me. You know,
I ended up having most of the Pac twelve schools
at the end of it, But they just kind of
were like, I will take you cause you're one of
the best players in California type of thing. You know,
so they're recruiting the West coast, it's kind of like
who's next on the list we struck out on, you know,

(34:27):
just side Turner or you know whoever it is, right,
We'll take Spence now, Whereas Colorado, like from the jumper,
was like yo, like you're a guy, You're our centerpiece.
And you know, when I was looking at it, I
felt like, as long as I was in a good
conference where I could play against the best, then I'll
be in a situation where as long as I could
beat the other guys that were around me, and I
had the opportunity to do so you know what I'm saying,

(34:48):
the green light to play, then I'd be able to
get to the NBA. And the reason why I chose
over Harvard was because I knew there was no way
I would go to the NBA quickly. Like if I
did do it, it'd before you years. You know, maybe
second round draft pick, you know, if not summer league shots,
some Jeremy Lynn style thing, which was cool, but like
that was what I wanted for myself. I wanted to

(35:09):
go for two years and leave and be a first
round pick. That's what I saw in my head. Like
I knew I wouldn't be number one or anything like that,
but I wanted to go two years, leave, be in
the first round and figure out my life.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah. So now, like you know, Colorado was not a
football school, but you know, Deon's there and they got
it going in like Kentucky my school. He was not
a football school, but they're getting better. Like how do
you feel about that? Like how do you feel like
that's dope for the University of Colorado with Dion being
there and them getting exposure for football.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Man, that's the fire. What you mean, it's great.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I want to know because I know you've probably been
back and went to games, so I want to know,
like how how it feels because like I remember when
before I committed to Kentucky, I was they was on
my rate of Billy GLESSI was the coach, and it's
like probably two thousand and six, two thousand and seven,
I took a visit. They upset it Florida. They upset
the la You and I remember I had like the
little Trio phone, the Latrio with the pen, the little BlackBerry.

(36:05):
I recorded a video on it. I remember, Dad, and
I was like, damn, they beat one the best school.
So like now Colorado's a school that everybody wants to
go to. Dion's there, and you know, like most people like, oh,
it's only a basketball school, Like how do it feel
to go back and see that love? And it supposure
at Colorado's getting.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Oh it's big time. So like when I was there,
obviously you said basketball rented and that was And but
like the older alumni, I would always talk about how football,
like back back in the day, like used to be nice,
but they got like the death piloty or whatever for
like some scandal of something. So Dion coming back or
not coming back, but Dion coming to the school, it

(36:41):
just has a new life and a new energy.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
To it.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Like now you see buffalofootballchers everywhere. Like they said he
made like twenty thirty men or something like that, like
the first weekend for like the surrounding like stores like
mom Pop, Like it's crazy, Like he's what he's doing
for the like energy of the place is It's something
I've never seen like and people believe people are coming back. Uh,

(37:05):
all the alumni coming back. Shoot. Like I said, I
came back and watched two three games this year and
I'm gonna be back early next year too. I gotta
be there.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, I'm definitely going to a game. I seem like
Colorado Boys even was good this year, you know what
I mean. I think they have the kid, Jalen Williams
little brother. I'm not mistaken that's him. Yeah. So like
I mean even guys going there and there, like with
that school, with Deonna doing with the football, I think
they're getting more exposed for basketball than like people. I
want to be around this. I want to be around
this atmosphere, being around that spotlight, and I think that

(37:33):
changes the culture. And that's something dope he's doing. All right,
So like, yeah, what's what do you think your future
hold after basketball, Like what you think you're playing into
your mindset is because you know a lot of us
athletes we think about that when our career is over, yeah,
and not think about it when we are still playing,
because you know, we never know how long this can
last and when again end.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
For me, I mean, I've always been into like getting
scarce assets, you know. I like the crypto stuff, which
you know a lot of people kind of know by now.
I want to get into art. I have a little
business stuff that I do, but in general, I'm not
gonna lie to you with the way my career is going.

(38:17):
I'm gonna take a smooth year and just sleep, like
I promise you, I'm gonna go into hybridnation like I'm
gonna I'm gonna figure out which.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I don't think he gonna allow that he waking up early.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Come on, I'm telling you, I'm gonna be sleep for
a full year. This is crazy.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Spencer, you talked about how you you know, you chose Colorado,
but a lot of people don't know you actually ended
up doing a Harvard crossover program. Can you go a
little bit in detail like what that entailed and when
you did that and how you figured out how to
do that wall, you know, having an NBA career.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Oh, I mean, it was just one of those things
where you know, there are different programs you can be
a part of obviously in terms of business and stuff,
like I'm always trying to gain knowledge. I'm kind of
as you know, John just asked in terms of post career,
like you always have to have your intenans up for
what you're gonna do, how to make your money last
and work for you and all the other stuff for
the life you want when the ball stops bouncing. So

(39:13):
that was really just kind of the mentality behind it.
And then it became kind of a full circle moment
just because like I really actually could have gone there,
and so a lot of people that do different programs
or or you know, like brief stints at Harvard wouldn't
have actually gone there outside the fact that they're like,
you know, famous or whatever it may be.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I want to talk about your shoe game because I'm
a sneakerhead. I asked John all these questions about his sneakers.
And you got a unique history with sneakers, and you
were Kobe's before you got to the league, right, but
then you came to the league, and you actually manufactured,
if I'm not mistaken, you manufactured your own shoes, and
then now you're with the brand three six one and
you have your own signature shoes. So can you talk

(39:52):
about I guess the origin of like I might do this,
you know, you doing things differently, not just you know,
taking that check to where you know, a night Hear
and Adidas and kind of doing your own way.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, I mean again, right, like for people with an
uncharted road, I guess you can look to do things
a little bit differently. Right, So if I'd have been
a number one pick and they were putting millions on
my table immediately, like obviously that that's kind of a
no brainer, right in certain situations though obviously our brand
value is far out weighs you know, what we're gonna

(40:25):
get paid, and so you know, as a second round
pick coming off of injury and stuff, you don't really
get that much money. I think I got like maybe
fifty grand merch, fifty grand cast something like that. And
so I used to draw shoes like you know, as
a kid, just like a little you know, thing to
do whatever it was. And so as I progressed in

(40:46):
the league, you know, and it started. I got to
Brooklyn and started playing a little bit more, and I
started getting kind of settled in the league because I
was still wearing Nikes probably the first like maybe like
three four years of my career, Kobe specifically, because basically
all I ever wore. I was like, you know what
I'm gonna I'm gonna make my own shoes. So you know,
I did, so I played in it obviously, and doing that,
you kind of got to go to the stores. I

(41:07):
went to China multiple times, met with manufacturers, et cetera.
And one of the derivative benefits of that, outside of
making more than you know, Nike and whatever was paying
me at the time, because obviously I wasn't making no
money from them, I ended up building a relationship and
kind of some some value and some like sweat equity

(41:28):
with you know, China and their community over there. And
so when it came time when it came full circle
and three sixty one was trying to basically buy me
out of what I was doing, I ended up getting
you know, seven figure yearly deal on the back end,
from the standpoint of I had that level of fan

(41:50):
base and you know, rapport and all the other stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
And so that's why you know, I accepted, you know,
the buyout and the deal with through sixty one, who's
you know, one of the probably big three you know,
and trying to leaning into and through sixty one or
probably the three biggest that I know of to do
you know, basketball shoes and just sign Yo kich and stuff.
So it's big time to have a center shoe, you know,

(42:17):
be a part of family. And I think that the
groundwork that that experience and you know, trying to do
it my own way laid allowed me to really like
get the payoff years down the line somebody would have
never known or or foreseen.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
That's dope. I ain't no none of that dope. Congrats
on that for sure. That's big time. And that's something
like that to do your own thing, to shit back bro,
like you said, and be what you was, and then
to create shoes on your own and they want to
buy you out of it and then get you a
seven figure deal out of there. I don't think a
lot of people can say that. So, you know, I mean,
most people, like you say, get to that point, they

(42:54):
start playing at the all star level, being the all star,
being in that position. So for you to do that
and bank on yourself, you know you always say your
brand sometime is bigger than what they can offer you.
So for you to do that, congratulations, Bro, that's dope
for sure.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Uh you guys, we always asked this with John's from
North Carolina, huge basketball state, and Spencer you're from California.
So I want to ask both you guys, if you
were to pick the top five players from your state,
who do you think would win North Carolina versus California?
Like born and born out in the state, not not
played for North California.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Look, man, we we got the most and best hoopers
like it's but in a way though, it's unfair because
we're such a state. Yeah, we're such a large state.
Like I can go, I can go all the way
up to Jay Kidd. You know what I'm saying, GP Oakland,
Like you know what I'm saying, getting those type of
point guards. I got James Harden, you know what I mean,

(43:49):
Southern California. You know he had our teaser. You know
I got just people everywhere, like everywhere, Tys you can
go to Damar Damar, like.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Bro, this we got gods that true. We definitely got God.
Like I say, it's hard because California is so big,
but they can go all each other. They can go
all over the place.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
They can't get Jordan's.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
They got Dame.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
That's what I'm saying. Like small states, big stuff, you.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Know what I'm saying before, Like they got so much,
Like the state is so too much bigger than North Carolina,
like we'll hoop stated sure be. Like it's just they
can go branch off somewhere, Like it's just too far,
too much.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I wanted to ask this too because doing some research,
we found out that you played with former Saints wide
receiver Michael Thomas and basketball, so one of the wanted
to know a little bit about that. Was he one
of those guys who was like good at basketball and
football and sort of had to decide what sport was his.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Yeah, he was, he was good at both. I don't
think anybody realized he was gonna be all pro wide
receiver though. You know he's Keys his nephew, and we
were just like, oh, like damn yeah uncle.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
So like.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
We were just like yo, okay, Like you know, we
had a couple guys in school that were good, you
know what I'm saying sports again, we didn't have guys
necessarily you thought were like sure fire, like you know,
number one overall type of thing. So he chose football
and were like, oh okay, you know, but he was
a guy that really early on had an insane work ethic.

(45:22):
Like I credit that, like and I'm talking like sophomore, sophomore,
junior or high school and that's you know, before I
even really like kicked in the gear for real, like
you know, people were working. But and some of it
probably has to go with like he had the blueprint,
you know what I'm saying from his uncle. Havn't done
it like Lily Hall of Famer, but he had like

(45:42):
sophomore year, he was like working and so he took
a he took a pretty massive jump, you know, and
then went to Ohio State. Next you know, he was
like the best receiver in the country and everybody was
like what, like where that happened? And then took that
and obviously went to the NFL, and you know, I
think it's first like five years was the best receiver
in the league too, So you know, he's special. That

(46:04):
was crazy, and I don't really think, yeah, I don't
think anything, but juries really stopped him, you know, which
is unfortunate, but you know he was murdering people. Damn,
that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I got I got one more. I don't know if
John you got one more, but mine is again going
back to the Lakers. You know, playoffs are coming up.
I'm curious what you guys got brewing. What do you
guys have to do to make a run? You know,
what's the one.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Thing you guys?

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I feel like you guys are figuring it out. I
feel like last night you getting that start, you know,
unlock some stuff. So what do you think you personally
got to do for the run of the playoffs and
also for the team?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I think for.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Us to win a championship three through fifteen has to
just be fine with whatever, you know what I'm saying,
completely focused, locked in, understand game to game of changes,
not have too many uh self expectations in a sense,

(47:07):
like you can't go into the game like, damn, if
I don't get you know, twenty, then this is a
bad game. You gotta just go into it and be like, Okay,
what's the game plan? Locked in defensive mentality and then
and then just hoop from there, you know, what I'm saying, like,
cause the two the two Juggernaut's gonna do what they do,
you feel me, But three through fifteen has to be
you know, sacrificial in mindset of like what does the

(47:31):
team need? And sometimes it's gonna be scoring. So you
know what I'm saying, you can't be gunshy, you can't
be scared in that stuff. Like you gotta be ready
if that's your game, to be that guy. But at
the same time, like you gotta think about taking charges,
not missing rotations, not missing assignments, getting extra rebounds, maybe
getting tapouts. You know, if you can't get three bounds whatever,

(47:51):
it may be right diving them for whatever. And I
know that sounds cliche, but with the way our team's made,
that's kind of how that's to be. And you know,
the like I said, the most sens I had was
the conference finals run with Dallas, and you know, if
you look at it, we had three dudes who were cooking,
you know what I'm saying, Luca, JB and myself, And
then four through fifteen never missed an assignment. They were

(48:13):
getting every chase down, block, every charge, they were picking
up ninety four whatever it was, and so sometimes some
teams is two, sometimes some teams is three. Really we
obviously have a really really big two. You can argue
that Delo's part of a big three, but it is
a little bit different. It's from the standpoint of like

(48:34):
those two are full blown Hall of Famers, right, So
not to you know, discredit my teammate Dealo at all,
because he's been cooking, he's been on insane he did
for the last like twentys going crazy and deserves everything
that he's doing and getting and back from the Brooklyn
days we made the All Star team. He's been hooping.
But you still have two full blown Hall of Famers

(48:57):
and basically three through fifteen is all around that, you know.
So that's all you really got to do, you know,
and then let the talent take over when it does.
I mean, you got Lebron and Anthony Davis, like you
got a puncher's chance in any game against any team
or any night in any arena.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
That more than you said about that, you know what
I'm saying. When you got that for sure, you know,
I mean, like, because you've seen both of those guys
take over and win games at any moment by themself
and That's the key, Like I always say in the playoffs,
when your role players know they roll and can play well,
especially on the road. At home role players play great.
They ain't missing nothing on the rod when they can

(49:34):
slid itfy. Still a game or two for you changes
the whole dynamic of a serious I.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Mean that's in the first round with Dallas, it was
like that one of the games wasn't that one of
the games wasn't home that we lost, but Luke was
hurt for the first three games. We went up to one,
like because, like I said, at that point in time,
three through fifteen was locked in and me and JB
were out there just arizon, you know what I'm saying.

(50:01):
JB had like a forty ball then I had like
eighteen and ten one game something like that, like you know,
So it was like we were doing what we had
to do it just being in attack mode and fearless.
But three through fifteen was not missing an assignment, and
so we went up three to one, gave Luke a
chance to rest, and so you know, if you look
at this team again, it's it's the same type of
vibe from from that standpoint, like ad gets thirty and fifteen,

(50:27):
Like quieter than anybody I've ever seen my life. You
just look up at the at the like jumbo trying
you like, how the hell you got thirty?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
It is crazy when that happened.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Put back like just pre throwing you like everywhere you
might look and think he got eighteen of fifteen.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Facts like Lebron sports now you know what I mean,
like dunking and yelling and shit like. So when he
got thirty, you know he got thirty, you feel me
like ad like you just look at you like, but yeah,
thirty six fifteen, seven blocks, three steals. What you know
what I'm saying, Like, it's insane.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
No, it's crazy disrespectful that people don't say he's like
in contention for Defensive Player of the Year at least,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
It's like, oh for sure, But.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Spencer, we appreciate you coming on the show. One last
question again is for me personally, do you want to
stay a Laker?

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Oh that that that'd be love. I mean, yeah, that'd
be a dream coach doing for the hometown. Yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
All right, Spencer, Well, good luck man with the rest
of the season. This has been point game. We're gonna
take a break and we're gonna come back with Bucketer Brick.
But thank you again, Spencer, din Wi you.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Everyoneci Spence, good luck bro Thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
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(52:07):
The crown is yours, as normal or as usual. Sorry,
I will make a statement and if you agree, John
will say Bucket if he disagrees. If he disagrees, He's
gonna say brick Man.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
If he disagrees.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
So let's start with the NCAA Tournament. Houston is a
number one seed and had a crazy overtime win on
Sunday night. The current odds to win it are plus
five hundred, which means if you bet one hundred, you
can win five hundred. So Bucket or Brick, Houston will
win the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Brick, don't thing they'll win it. They're a great team.
I love coach Sampson. I love the way they playing.
They won the best defensive teams. I just don't see
him winning at all. They always get so close and
be right here, I just don't see him winning at
all this year.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I love it, all right, we built in some bricks
in here. We knew, we knew you were gonna say that.
All right, moving on, Okay, so this is why I
said I don't I don't mean to make you keep
reliving this, but Kentucky nemesis Jack Golkie will play in
the NBA. HM, the dude Jack Golkie who was hitting
the threes on Kentucky. You said, what you think he'll

(53:12):
playing the.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
NBA, Brick, I don't see him playing the NBA. But
he had his one shining moment, so that's all that matters.
He had his one shining moment, he got on the spotlight.
He had the hell of a game, came back next night,
even had another good game. I mean, so I don't
see him playing the NBA. But he did what he
had to do. He had one shine in moment. He
got a big win for school, and they had a
heck of a game for the next round and almost won.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Okay, Brick there, all right, we just had on Spencer.
So the Lakers are favored when it comes to foul calls.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Bucket or Brick Bucket, I think they lead the league
in the most free throws if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
But you know the explanation.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Though you asked me a question, I said, Bucket said, Bucket,
I think, like, see the tough part is and this
would I always say. It's like bron can basically get
the foul call every time he drive to the basket.
I feel the same way when I played Russell Western
felt the same way when he was Okay, see the
way he was playing. We was not jump shooters a
lot earlier on our career. We attacked the basket all

(54:10):
the time. So you're putting a lot of pressure on
officials to make calls, and sometimes you don't get those whistles,
you know what I mean, So you end up missing shots.
But they get a lot of calls though for the team,
they get a lot of calls.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
So, okay, Bucket, all right, next one, Zion, it has
been straight up balling. He's I honestly think he's playing
some of the best basketball of his career. So I'm curious,
Bucket or Brick the New Orleans Pelicans will make the
Western Conference finals.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Brick, I think just too many loaded teams over there.
They're a great team. They figuring out what they want
to do. Hope by I can come back and get healthy,
you know, I mean as soon as possible. Could you
know that can help them. They can mess them up
and drop it and see it and then get a
bad matchup. But I still just got Danfer. You got
Minnesota up there, Okay, so he's playing well. We don't
know how they would do in the playoffs, but they're
a great team. Shaye has them rolling. They play at

(54:56):
a high level. You still can't forget those teams like
the Lake are the wars that they get in. You
still have the Clippers that's up there when they're healthy,
and you still have Feelish you have to worry about.
So I don't see them making the Western Commence finals.
But I think for sure they'll make the playoffs, and
I think they can make it to the second round,
depending on what matchup they have.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Do you think they're a piece away and what would
that piece be.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I think the hard part is, and a lot of
people might not like me for this, but the tough
party is you have Zion Wings and that's dominant, but
he needs the basketball. Yeah, excuse me brandon Ingram's domin.
You know he's from North Carolina, North Carolina guy, he
needs the basketball. So I think they kind of kind
of figure out who they want to keep between those two.
Interesting and c J McCollum is nice. I love HERB
Jones been on their team, but I think they got

(55:37):
to figure out which one they want to keep between
those two because you know what I'm said, When you
got guys that is both talented, both great at a
high level, it's kind of hard to have three guys
in his ball dominant, know what I mean. C J mccullums.
He can play out the ball because he's a knockdown
shooter and he can run pick and roll. But I
think between Zion and b I kind of tough because
they kind of end of the game, Oh do I
get the ball to? Who do I have as my closer?

(55:58):
I think that's the tough decision they have to figure out.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, Okay, I had one last one because I wanted
to give a shout out to them. I watched the
LSU play yesterday with the women's and they look tough.
Man and so I know you picked South Carolina to
win it all, So bucket or brick, is South Carolina
still your pick to win the bucket?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
They're beating everybody by almost fifty right now. I know,
like LA's us a great team. And I mean, like
you know, I mean, Andelish is great. FLA. J. Johnson
is great. To have other freshmen that's great. I can't
pronounce name the great transfer for LSU. She, I mean Louisville,
she's good. South Carolina got a lot of freshmen. But
I just feel like they're dominant team. I love don
ste I love what she brings to the game of

(56:39):
basketball for the women's side of somebody that's played in
the w BNBA being a coach, you know, I mean,
it's being great. I just think they're domini. I mean
L's is a great team. But I mean, shout out
to Page Becker, She's playing at the high level right now.
Juju is playing well. I mean, so shout out to
all the women that's doing anything. I'm definitely going to
support and watch as much as like, but I still

(57:01):
have South Carolina's my favorite to win it for the
women's side.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
All right, that's a bucket right there with your peak. Honestly,
my pick is Iowa. I just you know, Caitlyn got
me back into watching it, and.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I'm super excited for Clayton Clark. I mean, I'm a
big fan of hers. Me and her have a cool relationship. Uh.
I just want to continue to play. We will play great,
and I mean hopefully she can get there. I mean,
but it's gonna be tough to be those other power teams.
But she made it last year. You never know what
type of run she can get on. But I still
have South Carolina to win it all this year.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
It's definitely I know we were talking about earlier of
like the women's tournament as a little bit more exciting,
and I think, man, they came out the way these
rounds have played out, it definitely has my attention more.
But I'm excited to watch both sides for sure. John,
I wanted to you know, we've been telling fans to
ask questions, do you want to tell our listeners anything else?
To ask questions to keep sharing our stuff, any other

(57:52):
any other message to our fans.

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