November 26, 2024 • 54 mins
The guys discuss the college football recruiting landscape, immigration fears under Trump and why they actually respect Dana White.
Then they’re joined by Kathy Griffin, who shares the financial and social cost of standing up to President Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It was hard work getting him to open up. But
I Kathy Griffin had Marshawn Lynch spoon me and it
was tender and insensitive.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Man, what's hand him?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
You got Marshaw Bismall, Lynch.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Newsome and you're listening to politics,
you know, to be, you know, to be.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
What's up, Kevin?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
What is up?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Where are you?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
By the way, I'm at home for a hot second.
As you know, as any sports agent listeners or kids
that want to become in the business, the most hectic
couple of months start really November, December, January, February. But
as you know, Gavin, you know me for a long time,
this is my hot season, my recruiting season, my going
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to the living room, Pitchyjesus and to go get clients,
as you know. And it's funny that the landscape has
changed over the years. It used to be you started
recruiting as kids, like in September October, now your high
school kids. But in any event, what's changed is the
other day I got a call from a family and
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they said, so, what are you giving us? And I said,
I said, I love the question. I said, you know
what I'm giving you. I'm giving you thirty years of
the best advice I can give you. I'm giving you
an agent that knows the landscape owners, general managers, head
coaches better than anybody. I know of the draft process
better than anybody. I know how to get your son
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moved up the charts to make more money. I know
how to help them post career, how to help them
for life. Okay, And they were what they just were.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They were handing you the bitcoin account, wondering when the
transfer was going to occur.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
No, And they said, that's that's great, we appreciate that.
But you know what we're asking you is what are
you giving us? I said, Oh, I kind of played dumb.
I said, you mean you mean more than that. I
said that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
And they said, yeah, what are you giving us? As
far as how much you're giving us? I said, I said, listen,
I'm not giving you a damn thing. I don't give
anybody money, haven't give anybody money. Uh, not going to
give anybody money. So if you want me to represent
your son and look out for him and like our
old partner, I said to him back in the day,
I'm not going to don't come out me sideways. The
landscape has changed, gavy because of nil, because of money.
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These kids now agents are now paying these kids massive science.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I mean, it's just so everybody understands, I mean, this
was a high school kid, or this was a college kid.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, it was a college kid.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, college kid. But but there so they're they're going around,
they're trying to figure out who the best agent is
on the basis of who can who can write the
biggest check or hand over the biggest you know, sum
of cash or Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
The problem now is that you have, first of all,
remember you have these kids in college now that are
getting four or five six hundred thousand dollars a year, right,
so they're getting paid now in college. And then there's
agents now that are desperate for clients that are willing
to say, you know what, I'm going to work Not
only am I going to work for free on the
rookie contract, I am going to give you three four, five, six,
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seven hundred thousand dollars as a signing bonus. That they're
going to lose the money. The only way they make
the money back is if the player gets a second
contract and becomes a star. There's a lot of risk
involved in that following me. So that's side of the
landscape I'm dealing with right now.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And so and by the way, all that's legal under
this name Image Likeness bill that that this governor may
have signed, but of course morphed into something very very
differently all across the country. But I mean literally, is
that that's illegal that the parents can ask you for
money or is that money have to go to the kid?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Well, it goes to the kid. It goes to kid.
The parents are just asking. So look, it's all legal,
but it's just the sad part about it is is
that you have a lot of kids that are going
to make a big, big decision based upon a transact deal.
I told a kid to listen. You can go to
an agent that has no clients, take the money. But
here's the problem. If he screws up the contract, guess what,
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you're at risk. If he screws up other things, you're
at risk. All the little things that go into It's
not just hey, you get drafted and boom, the rest
is history. There's a lot of things that go into it.
Can that agent call an owner and say, let me
tell you about my client. Let me tell you why
he's the best safety in the draft. Let me tell
you more about his personal life. Let me tell you
about as a leader, his integrity, his values. If you
can't get them on the phone, which you know, why
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can you've seen me in these rooms? Then how good
is that five hundred thousand dollars? I'll make you more
than that by giving you the right path to success. Hey, Gavin,
I did have a question from a listener asked about
California and if Trump can do anything and call the
National Guardian to round up people or get people out
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of here immigration wise, is that legal?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, it's interesting. It's a question that we've asked ourselves,
and it's interesting, then ask people, don't I don't think
fully understand how the National Guard works. You've got Title
ten in Title thirty two. It's a fancy way of saying.
Under Title ten, the National Guard is under federal authority.
So the President United States has the ability and authority
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under Title ten to direct the National Guard as he
sees fit, with limitations, particularly as relates to the posse
Coomaitatis Act, which limits enforcement related to immigration.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Number two.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
There is the Title thirty two, which is under the
command of governors, and that's federally funded but state controlled
National Guard. Unless President Trump nationalizes federalizes the national Guard,
meaning takes the Title thirty two status and puts it
under Title ten, then I have the authority under my
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jurisdiction under Title thirty two to decide whether or not
we would comply with any orders from the Trump administration.
The reason Trump would prefer, I believe, states under Title
thirty two to enforce immigration policy and to coordinate with
mass deportation is that it doesn't fall under the Posse
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Comitatis Act, which actually restricts his ability to do some
of that work. So it's a complicated question. There's legal
questions related to that old Civil War Act, which is
that Posse Commatatus Act. But the Title thirty two jurisdiction
that I have as governor gives me authority where we
can push back against any directives that we think are
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inconsistent with our values the Constitution, and consistent with our
concerns or consistent with the concerns expressed by by the viewer.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
So to simplify, you know, when I go to restaurants,
whether it be in San Rafel or go to the NAPA,
or go to see people like some of the restaurant
workers and guys like that are women. Is there a
fear for them to be pulled out of their houses
at the middle of the night and be sent away.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I mean you're already feeling that. I mean there's a
chilling effect that's already going on. I think it's going
to impact already the conversation we're having. The election is
already impacting legal immigration, not just illegal or irregular immigration.
I was in the Central Valley yesterday. I mean no
part of California, Central Valley, central Coast, Silicon Valley in
California so reliant on immigrants. We're California state twenty seven
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percent foreign born and many and what that really implies
is a lot of mixed status families, a lot of
people here without documentation living in families where people do
have documentation. We estimate seventy plus thousand kids are undocumented
that get educated every single day. Are they going to
keep going to school? You've got folks that are victims
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of crime, witnesses a crime that may not want to
actually report those crimes to law enforcement because they're worried
about their immigration status or loved ones immigration status. God
is my witness. True story. Doug A.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Two three days ago, someone came up to me says
they have a patient and introduced me to this person.
Because I didn't believe them, I literally stress tested. I said,
you're making this up.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That is getting cancer treatment and doesn't want to get
cancer treatment anymore because she's scared to death that someone's
going to turn her in when she goes to get
those treatments. So, from a health perspective, from a public
safety perspective, from an educational perspective, from a legal immigration
perspective that has been the lifeblood of so much of
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our economic output in California, and innovation and entrepreneurial spirit,
all of those things are being impacted all ready today.
You then add on mass deportation camps, and this guy
tries to nationalize the National Guard or compel people like
me to turn the National Guard that are doing all
kinds of good work all up and down the state,
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including forest management, emergency preparedness, dealing with these big floods
that we're dealing with now on all these atmospheric rivers.
We're helping us during the last fire season and then
turns all their attention to one thing, mass deportation. We're
going to have the kind of friction the like so
we've never even imagined or experienced, certainly in our lifetime.
(09:31):
And so we're taking this very very seriously. But again
Title ten in Title thirty two, two different relationships and
two different frameworks of which the National Guard can or
cannot be used for mass deportation purposes. And if you're
not confused, you I've been paid attention. But it is
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something that we are not confused by, meaning we are
sort of locking in to an understanding of what our
role will be be in relationship to anything Trump tries
to pull.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Got it, very good explanation, a.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Little confusing, but it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's just and I will say just you know, we've
never gotten away California has never gotten away of the
federal right and authority to enforce federal laws with federal resources.
We're not going to get in the way of that.
We've never gotten a way of that. And we certainly agree.
I agree that someone here without documentation, that that commits
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a series or violent felony, someone that served their time.
I've vetoed a couple of laws where the legislature said,
uh that that we shouldn't coordinate with ICE, we shouldn't
coordinate with immigration authorities for people that have committed serious
or fella or violent crimes. I vetoed that because I
think we should and so I'm not, you know, we're
not somehow suggesting that we're going to continence or any
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way excuse that kind of behavior. Quite the contrary. But
but it's these kids, it's those seeking healthcare, it's it's
the impact on mixed status families that we're going to
protect and we're going to preserve and advance our values.
We have a law called SB fifty four, and I'll
just say, you know, on behalf of the National Guard.
They've been our Swiss Army knife. I've asked the National
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Guard probably to do more than most other governors in
California history, going back to some of the issues during
the unrest with George Floyd, to the work we're doing
at the border to deal with fentanyl interdiction. We have
three hundred and ninety two National Guard men and women
working with our border patrol to address fentanyl introdiction. They've
done an unbelievable job. I've asked them to help in Oakland,
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some of the jags under the National Guard to help
in Oakland and Alameda with prosecution. We've, as I said,
worked with them to deal with forest management, vegetation management,
to help with the emergency response. They've been unbelievable. To
see them used in this rank political way to advance
mass deportations is something, especially again under this title thirty
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two framework, is not something that we're going to look
at lightly, and we'll push back very aggressively.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Ay Man, Hey, Gavin On, I don't know if you
recently saw the uh it was a pretty interesting article
on Dana White and the New Yorker talking about how
he's done with politics. Is disgusting over it and then look,
it's funny.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Hell's the over it. He was as in it and
deep into it as anybody out there in the last
six months.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
And by the way, for the record, I love what
Dane has built. I love how he's grinding all that way.
But it's interesting Gavigery, because he brought up he brought
up the fact that when he would go into UFC
fights and things with Trump, it was rockets, the ovation,
crazy but then he saw the other side about the
hate on the left. And so it's interesting. I've been
with you where we've gone to games where you've gotten
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booed like crazy, but you've gone the Democratic Convention and
you've been you know, given the King's hat. So you've
seen that for your whole life. Dana said, look, I'm
done with it. I don't I don't like it. I'm
knocking to endorse anybody else anymore. He saw the vitriol
and the hate of what went on on both sides.
But it's interesting comment because it's like, you know what.
(13:11):
I don't blame what he said, but I'm gears get
your thoughts because you've lived. You lived that every day.
There's certain areas you go to. In fact, you were
just in the Central Valley. I'm sure you got some
haters up there, but then you come back to the
Marin County probably get lett a love.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
No, it's funny. I remember we were in a basketball
game with Dana White not too many years ago, and
in a in a less hospitable territory, and I remember
a lot of folks talking by his back just because
he was starting to entering into politics. Wasn't sort of
the zenith of his political support, as was the case
obviously with President Trump or President elect Trump in this respect.
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But look, at least I admired d Dana was always
straightforward about it. He's like, look, I've known this guy forever.
It's had my back. He's been straight with me, and
I'm a loyal guy, and I don't follow through. So
I mean, he he had a theory of the case
that that didn't even have to get deep into the policy.
Weeds was more on the basis of a long standing relationship. Obviously,
I imagine he shares a lot of the same policy
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perspective as well, But you know, I appreciate that. But look,
that's what Look, we've talked to a lot of guests
on this podcast about that when people have the courage
to come forward to express their political point of view,
a lot of people will applaud that and celebrate that
a lot of people are going to be pissed off.
And right now, in a fifty to fifty world, and
let's not forget it's a fifty to fifty world, a
less than fifty percent, just shy of fifty percent of
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the country, and this quote unquote so called landslide supported Trump.
It wasn't much of a landslide. It just reinforces the
nature of this tension between the two parties and those
that are advocates within those parties. So look, I get it,
and I appreciate what he's saying, but I also admire
people have the courage of their convictions as well. So
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hats off to Data for having the courage of his
convictions people that put themselves out. And I know, Doug,
we got someone who's coming up on this pod, Kathy Griffin,
who I know well has been way out front on
politics for many, many years. But a perfect guest to
really amplify and discuss this because she got into it
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a lot with a lot of folks when she did
something a few years ago we'll talk about when she
gets on related to her comedy, and she expressed her
discontent with Donald Trump at the time, and she paid
a big political and personal and professional price for that
as well. So maybe she's the better person to ask.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Doug.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
There you go, let's bring her on, all right, Kathy?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Remember me?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, No, I've not been able to get you out
of my mind ever since we hung out together in
the Governor's office.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
We had a kiki.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Well, okay, don't tell me what a kiky is. What
is a kiki?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Like a conbo a two people just sitting down and
let it all out.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
We were letting it out. We had we we were
both expressing frustration, no stress, that anxiety. We were emoting.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Well, Gab, I mean, Kathy is not afraid to talk.
So did she did? She? She did? She talk a
lot that day, Gaviner.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It was kind of a one way conversation where I
just went, I know, I agree, I'm sorry, I've.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Been most of the talking. I'm going to do the
same thing here, So good luck anywhere edgewise.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
By the way, Kathy my only recollection.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
She started to cry.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
He burst into tears, rock him like a baby.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You made me feel guilty somehow I was responsible for
the issue that we were discussing. I was like, how
is how am I being blamed for this?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
That's your fault, dog government.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Kathy hasn't had any stress, Doug as it relates to
things being her fault.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Certainly not. I'm a political ramalm or with any anyone
of higher office.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well, the good news is, Kathy, you've stayed away from politics,
so effectively. Oh, of course most of your career.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Look I tried. I tried. That's all I'm going to say.
I did my best.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
No, But Kathy, honestly, it's it's an honor have you on.
I've been a huge fan of years for a long time.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I wish I could say the same. I don't know
who you are, sir. I know, you know, I know.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I mean, I'm struggling just to convince his his four
three kids of his status as well.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Kathy, Well, if you can find them now, we're here
to have fun. What happened to Marsha and he got canned?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
He's got cad who he's It turns out he may
be on that same list you are on the no
fly list. So we're trying to figure out where.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
He is on the no fly list and the Interpol
list and the five Yes list.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So Kathy, let me ask a question. When you go
when you go through like TSA Pree, they stop you
and say, hey, Kathy, hey, let me you're you're now
you have a big check saying you're on the no
fly list. You're on the no list. It is there
like a screen at the airport for you.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I I love that you think when this happens they
call me Kathy like they're like uh oh oh uh okay,
miss Grif. But keep in mind the no Fialist, the Interpolist,
which is the international version. So I was stopped everywhere
from Los Angeles airport to London Heathrow Singapore. Was really fun.
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And and then I was on something called the Five
Eyes List, which is the actual chair watch list.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That's a big one.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, and we put it out with four other countries.
And so they take your passport, they take your phone,
they put you in a detention room for an indiscriminate
amount of time and it is scary as hell though.
By the way, if you don't know my backstory, Hi,
I'm Kathy Griffin. Ever meant to be a controversial comedian.
I usually just tell like Kardashian jokes. And I took
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a rather infamous photo of holding up a Halloween mask
of a certain ex president soon to be future dictator
who shall be unnamed, with some ketchup on it, you know,
a little Perseus and Medusa stand up.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I can imagine you in that cell. I watched Smugglers
all the time. When these guys come over from Columbia
and they're in my table and that's you right there,
kat I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I was like a living episode of Narcos for four years. Yes,
I didn't have I wasn't running any drugs. I was
just telling bit jokes. But I actually could not even
tour in the United States. So I toured overseas first
where I was beloved and welcome, and then I knew
to tour Canada before I came back to the US,
and then I was finally forgiven. And I'm actually back
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on tour now for the first time in six and
a half years since the trum photo scandal. And I'm
on the Cath Griff in My Life on the PTSD
list tour get It. And I used to have a
show called My Life on the d List you can
watch on Peacock. And I have been on many lists
that no other comedians in history like me or not.
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I I'm in the history books no other In fact,
no other citizen has actually been on the Five Eyes
List for taking a satirical photo of the president. But yes,
I've made my mark. But I do have an announcement
which is in my new show, which I'm about fifty
cities in I just played Carnegie Hall two weeks ago.
It was magical. I don't even mention Trump in my
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new show. So I just want people to know that
it's not that I'm afraid of him, obviously. I just
I told that story and now I have the PTSD
that goes along with it. So I'm making a line
of my own PTSD. And I still have a lot
of good celebrity gossip that I throw in with the
old Kathy Griffin razzle Dazel.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Look well, Kathy, by the way back to our co
host Moreshaun is not here. He did actually was on
the no fly zone into Canada. You got into Canada.
He was not allowed to get into Canada because he
had some issues back in the day, So he was
That was the one cause.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I wasn't making that up, Kathy. I was not making
that up.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I love that one. When it comes to Marshall, it's
issues back in the day with the International Terror watch list.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Hold on, Kathy, So let me ask you a question,
Are you still on that list now?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
No, you can't. You can't fly if you're on it.
So I really couldn't fly during the investigation.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
How many lawyers, how much money did you spend to
get off that list?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
About a million dollars?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Did you really? Wow? Okay? And how do you get
on me?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Is there like a lawyer get you go in the
Yellow Pages and say terrorists watch list? Lawyer who can defend?
Who do you even go to to figure out how
to uwine something like that?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Well? First of all, I have amazing lawyers. I've actually
been sued seven times by Trumper since the Trump photo.
I have an outstanding case in federal court in Tennessee.
I've had them all dismissed. I've had cases in the
Eastern District of Kentucky, Kentucky State Court, LA Superior Court,
and now my Tennessee case is outstanding. Okay, that aside.
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When the Trump photo scandal happened, I he just retired.
But I had an amazing for cemment attorney. My attorneys
now are still great. But my attorney, Alan Isaacman, is
the real guy that Edward Norton played in the film
The People Versus Larry Flint.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Oh wow movie. I don't know. So.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I the first time I got into trouble I was
I look it up and I'm like, I wonder if
that guy is a real guy and still a lawyer.
I cold call him. I'm like, you're not gonna believe this,
and so he was very, very helpful. But I didn't
just get a call from local PD. And I'm not
putting myself in their category, but even the great George
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Carlin and the great Lady Bruce, they were hassled by
local PD. I had the fence, I had the pends
coming after me. They did a full investigation. The FBI
was coming to the house about twice a week. And
I will say I'm not anti government. The FBI credit
was saving my life because they would come to the
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house and do something called what you know, I'm sure
governor a duty to warn, which is when they could
detain act credible threats versus non credible threats. They had
a duty to come to my house and physically tell
me what the threat was as much as they could,
because they couldn't always tell me every detail. And that
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went on for weeks, if not months, and they would say, well,
there's a bomb threat at this venue, or there's a
very serious you know actor who's specifically mentioned how he
wants to murder you on this day, and they would
give me a bunch of information as they could. And
I'm telling you, I got so used to seeing those guys.
It was like cheers. Like when norm would come in,
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I'd be like, Hey, come on, guys, what's going on
this week? But when I was interrogated under oath, I
had two agencies coming after me. At Trump's best, I
filed a foya. I got it back. It was the
Attorney General and Trump, of course, and the seriousness, seriousness
with which they were actually trying to charge me with
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conspiracy to assassinate the President of the United States. She's shocking,
which holds a lifetime sentence, as you know. And so
when I was interrogated, it was my two agencies, the
Secret Service in the US Attorney's Office. Governor explain the
difference between those two agencies.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Correct daylight and darkness or sunshine? I mean, like I mean,
it's his order of magnitude.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So the Secret Service was frankly looking to see if
they could and the US Attorney's Office was ready to
file the charge if they could find enough. Every yeah,
and so I have to find the comedy and everything.
And I have to say there was a little accidental
comedy in my interrogation, which was they said, do you
have any firearms or weapons in your home? And I
(24:45):
said no, And they actually let my attorneys with one
of the FEDS do They didn't do a non ock
grade on me, so I was grateful for that. They
let one of my attorneys do the house search and stuff.
And I I have a sword from the Gay Swordsman,
which is a gay porn company. And I hosted your
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awards once and if you could have seen me under
oath being caught saying, oh, I do have a sword. Now,
keep in mind there's a picture of me holding Trump's
head and all of a sudden they got real quiet,
and my lawyer has a slow look like, oh no.
And then I'm trying to explain hosting this gay porn
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award show and how ironically the porn that won that
year was called Justice, and the plot of it was
where he was being interrogated, not unlike this, sir, although
in this film they weren't following protocol. In fact, it
ended up where they all had sex. And my lawyers
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looking at me like this, He's like, all the money wasted,
all my feets wasted. But they didn't do it. They
couldn't find and I still have my gay sword.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Okathy, let me ask a question. Were there were there
days and weeks or months where you're like going, okay, dude,
my house is tapped. I got bugs everywhere. People came
over and you're like whispering in the garden like hey,
I can't talk, Like did you think did you go
through some psychosists? Like they're on to me, like I
can't talk, They're watching me at all hours, and I'm
going I'm maybe going down for this.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, it wasn't paranoia or psychosis, because I don't know
if you guys remember Christopher Wiley, but he's the Cambridge
Antico went a whistle blow, or here's the guy that
testified before the House and the Senate. One day he
had pink hair, one day he had green hair. Gay guy.
Of course I love him automatically. So he did a
bunch of research and he said, you know, they tracked
you for a really long time. And I said, yeah,
(26:45):
I know, I know Trump was itching to charge me
with something, and yes, it's a weird feeling, and yet
I just had to go through it. And like I said,
I just want to stress I am not anti government.
I know they had to do their deal due diligence
at his behest. I don't want it to happen to
anybody else. I well, I'm not any more careful than
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I used to be, but I did not violate the
First Amendment. I did reach out to my attorneys prior
to posting that photo. And Governor, you're an attorney, you
know it was covered. And so people think I just
willy nilly posted this cory picture. No, of course, I've
been doing this for decades. You guys, I'm sixty four,
and I don't know any of the other amendments.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
By the way, did you fire that attorney for saying
go ahead and posted?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Kathy?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Oh no, he had. He helped me prep for the interrogation.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Okay, good, good.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
But I know we can make light of this, but
I mean, it's you've had a hell of a few years, Kathy,
and and you and and and and and and obviously
it must be I'm I don't I can imagine. I
don't know, but so much now when when you when
your name comes up, we have this conversation as opposed
to Guinness Book World of Records more come you know, oh.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Guinness Book a world records holder more televised or streamed
stand up comedy specials than any comedian living or dead,
male or female. Twenty one stand up comedy specials.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Can't make it up, No, But it's like next level career,
next level success, which continues to this day. And we're
going to get back to your tour in a minute.
But I you know, it's so interesting and Doug, you remember,
just briefly we were talking to Marshaun and George Lopez,
and Lopez had a little bit of a similar issue
where it's just when it comes to presidents and the
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Secret Service, it's just it's the one area you don't play.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You don't play no, because they're serious people, they have
a serious mission, they have bosses. When I when Jason
Leopold from Bloomberg filed the FOYA, it was quite shocking.
And the amount of discretion that the Los Angeles Secret
Service Office used to pursue the case that they knew
(28:59):
was be a is upsetting to me. But you know,
that's bureaucracy, and not everybody's going to agree with me,
and I understand, and I really do respect everyone's right
to hate that photo or hate that I did it
I just want people to understand it is covered under
the First Amendment. As a comic, I've made fun of
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every president ever, Democrat or Republican. I feel it's part
of a comedian's job. I thought that photo was going
to live on a gay blog for two days and
nobody would ever see it. I wasn't on a TV
show at the time. I do have a history with Trump.
I've known him for at least twenty five years, maybe thirty.
He's hired me one time. He paid me fifty thousand
(29:42):
dollars to go to Bedminster and roast him, and I remember,
he's a total pussy. He's like, oh, don't make fun
of the hair. Here she comes, here, she comes.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I go.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You called me Donald? You know, he was known as
the Donald. I'd call him Donald and'd say it's the Donald.
I mean, that's funny and itself.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
No bullshit. Kathy, you've lived in all honesty. You've lived
three hundred lives.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Too many, And yes, I have. The Trump scandal lost
about seventy five percent of my friends that never came back.
I'm listed by my own beloved industry. Became addicted to pills,
tried to take my life when on a fifty one
to fifty cycle for three days, like I'm you know,
Brittany and Kanye combined. I basically walked into my own act.
(30:36):
I then got diagnosed with lung cancer even though I've
never smoked, had half a lung removed, was injured during
the lung surgery, so my voice was like this for
about three years. That mess with my head. And then
you guys, ten weeks ago, a female surgeon, doctor Unca
Barbou at Cedars. She gave me an implant in my
(30:56):
left vocal court and I have my voice back. So
I'm so grateful, you guys, just to be back on
the road and to be playing Carnegie. I kissed the
stage at the end, so I got down on my
hands and knees and the lipstick mark was there, and
I'm just grateful to be working. I'll be at the
Masonic in San Francisco. I just played the Wilchurn in
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Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
We will be there. We will be there for that one,
I hope.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
So I had my first gig on New Year's Eve
since I got shit canned from CNN for the Trump
picture by Jeff Zucker, who got fucking me too. Out
of the business, but I'm still canned anyway. I'll be
at the Iconic Chicago Theater on buz No.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
But McAthy and all, honestly, like what you went through, Like,
give me how did you number one? Battling back from that?
Kudos to you. I appreciate that, because that's that's big
time shiit. Second of all, Second of all, who is
who is your support team to kind of help you
through those those those stages.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I'd be honest, that's been the hardest part. And I
think that you know, I've been a happy work my
whole life. And I tell the audience this, I say,
I call my show an evening of honesty. And I
didn't know what to do with myself when that happened.
And I get a kick out of people that come
up to me and say, I'll bet it's fun having
all those people apologize to you, right, not one, not
(32:17):
one person. I lost the CNN gig. I'll be honest.
I really loved Anderson Cooper. I thought he was my buddy.
I loved doing that gig. I did it for ten years.
You know, Andy Cohen replaced me. He was my boss
at Bravo, and I had my Life on the d List,
which won two Emmys. It hurts. I wish I could
dress it up in a joke, but you just kind
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of have to deal. So I just found a kind
of a a proud member of AA as a ex
pill head, and so that was one way to meet
some people that you know. At my age, I thought,
how do I meet new people? So I met some
new folks that way, and then my group is just
much smaller, and I have these salon parties and it's
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just a twelve person party where there's no phones allowed
at the table, and that way you get to really
know people and only one person is allowed to talk
at a time. And I usually have a guest of honor,
and I'll have somebody that's kind of been through the fire.
I've had two for the great Egene Carol, i had
one for Monica Malinsky. I had one for Dylan mulvaney,
(33:24):
who's also suffered far Ride hate. So sometimes I'll just
have one for someone wonderful, like Ron Funges, who's just
a great comic. But I like to kind of pick
somebody that maybe needs to be celebrated a bit, and
those kind of kept me going too, So just connecting
with people. But like I said, I'm a road rat.
I'm a comic through and through to be on the road.
(33:47):
I don't care if I'm doing you know some honey,
I'm going to the real America. I was in Oklahoma
last weekend. I was in Tech.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I was there too. I was in Norman.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I was ret you there, honey, I played norm I
can't even tell you how many times I played Oak City.
I was thrilled to be back. I am going. I
got a show in Buckhead. Oh you guys get this.
I had a show in Augusta, Georgia, and they had
to cancel it because they only sold twenty seven tickets.
So I'm like a politician. Doesn't sound like if the county.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Is blue or not.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I swear if I tend to have better sales if
there's a Democrat governor and senators. But I'm still going
to the red cities because I know that there are
ladies and gay guys that are They love to say
I'm a blue dot in a sea of red. So
she go there too. I'm going there. I'm not afraid.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Strangest thing I've been out on the road and the
biggest crowds I've ever had ever are in those states
because people don't always show up there and they appreciate it.
So I totally appreciate what you're saying. There's the people
come out, But is it just it it's you know,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Prior to the Trump photo, it was never like that.
I wasn't considered a political comedian. I was never considered
a lightning rod. My whole brand has been making fun
of celebrity, and I still do. But the Trump photo
changed stuff irrevocably. So I just have to adapt to it.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
And as you know, I wanted to pick up with
where I was going was where Doug was going in
the beginning. He said, if you did that today, yeah,
it may have just been a little you know, maybe
you know, a couple of little blogs back and forth,
some sort of expressed outrage, feigning of outrage.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
And he won.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I reached out to about seven of my attorneys, and
by those way, my attorneys all adore me. All their
kids are going to college, because anyway, every single one
of them, I was like, I'm so tempted. I want
to post a picture again. I want to post the
picture again, and every one of them and you know,
the lawyer speak. Dear Kathy, while I completely understand and
(35:53):
agree with you, oh blah, you do have an outstanding
case in federal court and Tennessee coming up. You don't
want to take the jury pool, et cetera, et cetera.
And by the way, the case that I have is
there was a video that went viral. You may have
seen it three years ago of a ceo who's a
mega guy and his name is Sam Johnson. He was
the CEO of a hospital company and he's on tape
(36:16):
harassing two trans kids at their prom photo shoot. But
I've been the a in LGBTQIA my whole life. I'm
an ally. You're either a real ally or you're not.
And sometimes being an ally isn't just wearing, you know,
a Pride flag T shirt. Sometimes you got to go
the distance. So I tweeted about the guy. He got fired.
(36:37):
He blamed my tweets for it, but I didn't even
know it had already gone viral on TikTok the day
before because Granny here was still on Twitter. But anyway,
that's just the new normal. And I do find that
since Trump is in people are more litigious. And I
say this after decades of calling celebrities every name in
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the book and never being sued, and people did seem
to have a better sense of humor. And I always
thought politicians were fair game, maybe more than anybody.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yes, yes, well, I hope that we're not.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Look and I'm not complaining about the woke mind virus.
I'm not one of those. I think it's a comic.
I should evolve. I don't want to use words that
would hurt someone's feeling feelings. I want to learn and grow.
On the other hand, we are at a tipping point
where we do need to have a bit of a
better sense of humor about ourselves.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
But don't you think that?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
But don't you think that's happening, Kathy. Don't you think
there's sort of I mean, there's sort of a sense
of that this pendulum starting to swing back sort of
woke is that I was reading all these blogs today,
no bs, I look at this. There's a blog I
get every morning called the Writing Our Ighdi and it
has about the top ten of the right wing blogs.
And there were three or four this morning saying woke
(37:52):
is dead. Now Trump winning, cancel cultures is over. We
finally found this equilibrium. But I find it highly iron
that cancel cultures over and yet you're still canceled.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, I mean, no friends, but I should have a
TV special, like I don't have the fact that I
don't have a special, And my agents came out and said,
and I appreciate the honesty, they said, the industry is
still squeamish about the Trump photos, so it's very bizarre.
I like I said, I just don't want to fall
into that trope world of like wocism is bad or
(38:28):
it's over. I mean, in my personal experience, it ain't
over when it comes to Donald Trump and his folks,
but it's over about everybody else. So I can feel
like there should be a standard that's across the board,
and that's how it used to be. But look, we,
like I said, we still evolve. There are comedy clubs
in parts of the country where they still say faggot
(38:52):
and people still laugh at it, and I would be mortified.
So we have to realize also, and that's why I
do like going to the real America. It takes time.
People took a long time to get offended. They're taking
a long time to get unoffended. But yeah, the cherry
picking is where it gets kind of weird. And I'm
just gonna say a word that I know you guys
(39:14):
probably are sick of. But the misogyny is really pretty
bad and stand up and so I still have people
say it's too bad. You don't think it can be
funny unless you curse, which is just not something they
say to the guys. So I'm just happy to be
out there because there aren't that many of us, especially
it's sixty more so to me, every show is a win.
(39:36):
Every show is a win. But no, I think the
pendulum is starting to turn back a bit more and
it's about time.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Well, Kathy, you're a rockstar. Let me ask a question
back to your personal life. Did the pills and addiction
come as a result of the photo? Like were you
on a before that, were you living life cleaner and whatnot?
And it was not a result.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
You don't even drink, right.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
No, I've never had a drink in my life to
the day, and I think that's why I didn't think
I could be an addict, because I've never had a drink.
And I don't mean to blame everything on the stupid
Trump picture, but I have to laugh at the fact
that I basically became a junkie at the age of
fifty seven. Who becomes a junkie of fifty seven? Bilbody
I'm supposed to be trying on my diapers?
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Was there was there a pillow choice? Or was it
all pills?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
All of them?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yes, blotted all of them.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I wanted everything to be just blotted out. I couldn't
feel anymore, I couldn't deal with anything. And then it
got ahead of me, and then it was winning, and
then the suicidal ideation started, which never would have happened
without the pills. And so I even talk about that
in my show, but I do do the disclaimer. I
am not making fun of suicidal ideation. I've been there.
(40:48):
This is just my story. But I have people that
come up to me after the show and go, I'm
glad you talk about it.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, Kathy, By the way, you're an inspiration what you've
been through, like a that you've been through three hundred lives,
You've You've lived a life to help people out because
what you went through. I mean, who else in the
country has gone through what you've gone through. Honestly, you've
gone through the suicide pills. The Trump photo Uh, I
mean you've gone through.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Eating disorders. My gosh, cat, hey, you have me no violence?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I know, come on, there's more, there's more living to
do for me.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I got to list your gun. You're wrong, I know.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
It's what's not on the list that's the more interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I promise not to become a QAnon No matter what QAnon.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
You haven't. You haven't been committed your next level champion
for the LGBTQ community. You've been, as you say, the
A and I but why that's interesting to me? Why
why have you been so consistent.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I've named my show back in the Day my Life
on the D list, and I call myself a dalister
because I understand I'm not on the A list, and
I'm fine with it. And I think there's humor in that.
And I think there's an organic relationship that I've had
with the community since I can remember. For real, like
in first grade, I was that kid that recognized the
(42:23):
quiet boy that for some reason seemed a little like
he wasn't feeling like he was fitting in. And then
I sort of turned into that girl in junior high
that was with the guys from the musicals. And I
know that's a cliche, but I'm sorry it was true.
And so, you know, I only went to one dance
(42:44):
in my four years of high school. I went to
one prom with my gay guy bestie, and I officiated
his wedding, you know, all of it. And so it's everything.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
I think.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Here's something about feeling like as a woman, I have
to work and jump higher and keep proving myself over
and over and over. That is probably the sensibility that
we share. And also, you know, I have a fighter
in me. I don't know if it's my crazy, drunken
Irish parents who I miss every day, but they had
(43:17):
you know, my dad was a precinct captain and my
mom worked the polls, and you had to come to
the Griffin dinner table. You know, not necessarily a college education,
but you had to read the Chicago Times and the
Chicago Trip every day. You had to know which well no,
which Alderman was on the take. I was a kid
mayor daily the corrupt dad was the mayor and we
(43:40):
would talk about that and it was just a kind
of a political household, but really just as a hobby.
My dad worked in retail and my mom wasn't working.
Mom in the admin office of a hospital. And so
it's just kind of what I grew up with, not
with stuff handed to me, but also not with absolutely
nothing and deal with a crazy family of alcoholics and
(44:03):
trying to figure out my place. And I think that's
what a lot of gay folks are doing. But especially
back in my era, guys that couldn't come out, girls
that couldn't come out, they could come out to me.
And there's something, it's a vibe that you feel, you know,
I mean, something that I have to this day. Look,
I have friends to this day that are in parts
(44:24):
of the country where if I have a friend who's
a seventy year old construction worker in a part of
the country where he cannot come out and he has
to listen to the other guys on the Joba site
lfag jokes all day every day. He's got a husband
at home that none of them know about, and he
(44:46):
just deals with it. And so I want to go
to that guy's town and make him laugh, and I
want him to come over to my house for launch
and make him laugh or whatever it takes. But I
just want us city folks to remember there's a whole
whole country out there.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
I love it, by the way, Kathy, just I'm curious
what And I appreciate the spirit of everything you said,
not just what you said too and and and seeing
that person that no one else has seen and feeling
having that empathy, uh, and feeling that.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Connection and being a champion for folks and being their voice.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Did the did you?
Speaker 4 (45:20):
And it's a it's a general statement.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I'm mart it's a general question, and it may not
be a fair one, it may not make any sense,
But did you sense that the community abandoned you a
little bit after twenty seventeen? In the photo I.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Felt the power gaze did not the not the actual community.
But to be absolutely honest, because it doesn't matter, they're
they're not hiring me anyway. I it hurts that I
feel for decades, I showed up. I hosted every gig,
I did the auction, the most thankless job by the
(45:55):
way of any charity event. I did the auctions, I
donated the tickets to the meet and greet. I you know,
and I just have to be honest. I learned a
tough lesson which that when it comes to powerful men,
and look, there's people like Marc Andrees and I'll be
in a fight with and he's a gay guy. And
(46:18):
I found that in my experience these guys were still
privileged guys first and gay second. They would probably not
agree with that assessment. I'm just telling you it hurts,
and I shed many tears over that. I'm not here
to make enemies. I see these guys, I say, Hi,
I hug. Maybe they're not aware of it, as you know,
(46:40):
there's a lot of subconscious stuff that's going on. But yeah,
I did feel a bit deserted by that.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
No, totally get a kathy. So, like I said, going
back to you know how many summers we have left
in borrowed time. You and Anderson Cooper were so close
if you reached out to him and say, listen, Mac,
can we get together and hug it out and break
some bread.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I finally reached out to him this year. It took
all this time, and you know, I was very believe
it or not, I was very close with his mom,
the great Gloria Vanderbilt, and a lot of people don't
even know his mom was Gloria vanderw And I actually
knew Glow as I called her better than Anderson because
we just clicked and something just made me think about her,
(47:19):
and I thought, you know, let me just reach out
to Anderson and tell him. And I was thinking of
all these sayings she I mean, she was an epic.
She would say stuff like, you know, I fucked hot Brando,
not fat Brando. I mean, how can you now love
a dame like that? That kind of girl, And she
would say things like you'd never done and there's always more.
(47:43):
And she had been like rich people, Connecticut accent and stuffing,
and she had lived such a life and so I
just was missing her one day, and so I emailed
him and I just said that, I said, I'm missing
your mom and I missed the sayings they stay. Your
whole life can change in one phone call. And I
just said, I just want you to know I'm thinking
(48:03):
about you and I'm missing her. And he wrote me
back and he said, you know, I miss your mom too,
and your mom was always so sweet to me, and
my mom adored him. And so I don't know what
will happen, but at least there's been one email exchange,
and that feels better than just nothing.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
You know, well, Anderson, I'm giving I'm giving a shout
out to Anderson to come to one of Cathy's famous parties.
You can be the guest of honor off CNN studio.
Lets go, let's get down, and how about.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
How about Andy Cohen? I mean is and you guys
have connected.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Now that's a tough one, man like. Like I said,
he was my boss and I got canned. And I
loved working at Bravo. I loved doing specials and I
had a talk show there for two seasons. And My
Life on the d List was Emmy nominated every season
and won twice. And I'm not his cup of tea.
(48:57):
And it hurts. It just hurts. I can't. I'm not
going to say any good. It just it kind of hurts.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Well, Kathy, So let me ask a question. You're grinding
so much, You're working your ass off, the tourists, kicking ass,
You're doing amazing things. Do we have a love in
your life right now? Kathy? That makes you happy?
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Excuse me? I think I should be the next Golden Bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Okay, how about that?
Speaker 1 (49:20):
You're ready for my pitch?
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yeah, Jesus, here it is.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
I'm not sure it's PG.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
It's not. Okay, So the current one is great. I
love her. I'm pointing I love Okay, So Kathy Griffin's
the Golden Bachelorette. The first episode where there's the most
bachelors and the most roses, I fuck each one, each one,
and then I decide, what did I lose? You? I mean, oh,
(49:47):
hiting cameras just a little blur here and there for
the celling light boom ratings gold You heard it?
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Your folks, what do you think, Doug? You're an agent, Doug,
what do you think?
Speaker 4 (49:57):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Well, I think, by the way, I'm a s changing Kathy,
you might need a better agent because you can't even
you can't even get you on that one show you're
on tour right now. Having said that, I know people
at the Bachelor right maybe we can make that happen.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Really there we go. Yeah, I may want to come
up with the first kind of a re I we'll
talk about that first episode. It's an idea. I appreciate
the pitch. Appreciate the pitch. By the way, what's I
mean your what's your pitch to folks that that want
to you want to come back and reconnect with with
(50:31):
Kathy Griffin, that that miss you that or you know
or I feel like, what's you know you're back out
as you say you're going to be out here in la.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I'm on the road Kathygriffin dot com for tickets New
Year's Eve the Chicago Theater. Look. I love it when
people watch My Life on the d List and they
have nostalgic feelings about it. It's on Peacock. I'm so
thrilled they finally put it on Peacock. And I own
all my library. So I own my life on the
(51:00):
d List. I own all my twenty one specials. I
own my talk show. My talk show you can see
on Apple for free. And so don't rediscover the stuff.
Rediscover my mom and dad who were hilarious on my
reality show.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Well, Kathy, I gotta be honest. You I loved you suddenly, Susan.
I used to watch out people, Come on, I was.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
I mean, I go back to a show where I
was the wise, cracking secretary to Brooke Shields.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
I mean, but by the way, Gavin God, let's be honest.
I mean, look, shout out to Brooke Shields.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Come on, Oh, lagoon inappropriate movie, inappropriately inappropriate. Believe she
was exploited, I know, but.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
There's a great death about her called pretty baby anyway,
So yes, look at the old stuff, come see the
new tour. I love doing what I do. I think
I have another book in me. I've written two books.
One went to number one, one went to fifteen. Sky's
the limit. Don't be afraid of me.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Both him, Kathy. I'll be honest, there is no dinner
party that more Sean Lynch at your table. He is
the best dinner that you ever had. In fact, he
brought my wife to the White House Christmas party last year,
so he is a great day.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Okay, First of all, he didn't tell you about our history.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
What's it? Uh, Jesus, here we go.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
I co hosted a charity gig with Danny Debido and
he won some ring for some contest in football and was.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
On some team Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Okay, I guess I'll just take a space, and the
team was.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
So all the streets were very excited to see him.
You know how you guys get you straits get very
excited around athletes, and so he's He was very shy
at the time and known for not talking well. When
you're hosting a charity show, sometimes they're like, hey, the
band isn't ready. You gotta go outstretch. So I ran
into the audience and I was like, where's that guy.
(52:52):
What's his name? Marshawn Lynch. They pointed him out. I
went up to my hat the microphone. I busted his
ball so hard I made him spoon me. I said,
I'm not leaving until you spoon me, and I want
to be the little spoon Now. He was a man
of few words. I'm just gonna be honest. It was
hard work getting him to open up, but I Kathy
(53:15):
Griffin had marsha On Lynch spooned me and it was
tender and love and sim not be spelled.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Oh look at that sensitive marsh On Lynch.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
I love it. I love it. Have you.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
I've been body slammed by him, but not spooned. Correct.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Okay, well there you go. It's one of my nine lives, your.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Nine lives, No, mccathy, this is this has been a treat.
I mean, honestly, I've been a huge fan of years
and I love what you're all about. And literally you're
a grinder, you're a battler, You've overcome so many things.
You're funny as hell and I and trust me, I'll
never leave your life. Kathy, I'm here. I don't walk away.
I don't walk away, Kathy. I'm all in Okay, I'm
(54:04):
going to make you spoore me.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
I'm going to make a spook me.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
I'm a good spooner too, my wife. Yes, all good,
all good, No.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Just mad respect, resilience and uh and what an example
to so many people that are struggling out there, that
are suffering. And you lost your mom on top of
everything else, we said, and right that alone, can you
know set people back? But the fact that you haven't
been set back by any of this, and and you're
is is tough and tenacious and and funny and and
(54:32):
and lovable as you've ever been says a lot about you.
And so grateful to be able to share you a
little bit with our audience. And and I hope everybody
out there listening. You're here the Masonic, you're down in LA.
You got your New Year's show. Check out, Yathy Griffin.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
I have as easy as I would be on Thank
you mu
It was hard work getting him to open up. But
I Kathy Griffin had Marshawn Lynch spoon me and it
was tender and insensitive.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Man, what's hand him?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
You got Marshaw Bismall, Lynch.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Newsome and you're listening to politics,
you know, to be, you know, to be.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
What's up, Kevin?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
What is up?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Where are you?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
By the way, I'm at home for a hot second.
As you know, as any sports agent listeners or kids
that want to become in the business, the most hectic
couple of months start really November, December, January, February. But
as you know, Gavin, you know me for a long time,
this is my hot season, my recruiting season, my going
(00:58):
to the living room, Pitchyjesus and to go get clients,
as you know. And it's funny that the landscape has
changed over the years. It used to be you started
recruiting as kids, like in September October, now your high
school kids. But in any event, what's changed is the
other day I got a call from a family and
(01:18):
they said, so, what are you giving us? And I said,
I said, I love the question. I said, you know
what I'm giving you. I'm giving you thirty years of
the best advice I can give you. I'm giving you
an agent that knows the landscape owners, general managers, head
coaches better than anybody. I know of the draft process
better than anybody. I know how to get your son
(01:39):
moved up the charts to make more money. I know
how to help them post career, how to help them
for life. Okay, And they were what they just were.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They were handing you the bitcoin account, wondering when the
transfer was going to occur.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
No, And they said, that's that's great, we appreciate that.
But you know what we're asking you is what are
you giving us? I said, Oh, I kind of played dumb.
I said, you mean you mean more than that. I
said that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
And they said, yeah, what are you giving us? As
far as how much you're giving us? I said, I said, listen,
I'm not giving you a damn thing. I don't give
anybody money, haven't give anybody money. Uh, not going to
give anybody money. So if you want me to represent
your son and look out for him and like our
old partner, I said to him back in the day,
I'm not going to don't come out me sideways. The
landscape has changed, gavy because of nil, because of money.
(02:29):
These kids now agents are now paying these kids massive science.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I mean, it's just so everybody understands, I mean, this
was a high school kid, or this was a college kid.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, it was a college kid.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, college kid. But but there so they're they're going around,
they're trying to figure out who the best agent is
on the basis of who can who can write the
biggest check or hand over the biggest you know, sum
of cash or Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
The problem now is that you have, first of all,
remember you have these kids in college now that are
getting four or five six hundred thousand dollars a year, right,
so they're getting paid now in college. And then there's
agents now that are desperate for clients that are willing
to say, you know what, I'm going to work Not
only am I going to work for free on the
rookie contract, I am going to give you three four, five, six,
(03:13):
seven hundred thousand dollars as a signing bonus. That they're
going to lose the money. The only way they make
the money back is if the player gets a second
contract and becomes a star. There's a lot of risk
involved in that following me. So that's side of the
landscape I'm dealing with right now.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And so and by the way, all that's legal under
this name Image Likeness bill that that this governor may
have signed, but of course morphed into something very very
differently all across the country. But I mean literally, is
that that's illegal that the parents can ask you for
money or is that money have to go to the kid?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Well, it goes to the kid. It goes to kid.
The parents are just asking. So look, it's all legal,
but it's just the sad part about it is is
that you have a lot of kids that are going
to make a big, big decision based upon a transact deal.
I told a kid to listen. You can go to
an agent that has no clients, take the money. But
here's the problem. If he screws up the contract, guess what,
(04:07):
you're at risk. If he screws up other things, you're
at risk. All the little things that go into It's
not just hey, you get drafted and boom, the rest
is history. There's a lot of things that go into it.
Can that agent call an owner and say, let me
tell you about my client. Let me tell you why
he's the best safety in the draft. Let me tell
you more about his personal life. Let me tell you
about as a leader, his integrity, his values. If you
can't get them on the phone, which you know, why
(04:28):
can you've seen me in these rooms? Then how good
is that five hundred thousand dollars? I'll make you more
than that by giving you the right path to success. Hey, Gavin,
I did have a question from a listener asked about
California and if Trump can do anything and call the
National Guardian to round up people or get people out
(04:51):
of here immigration wise, is that legal?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, it's interesting. It's a question that we've asked ourselves,
and it's interesting, then ask people, don't I don't think
fully understand how the National Guard works. You've got Title
ten in Title thirty two. It's a fancy way of saying.
Under Title ten, the National Guard is under federal authority.
So the President United States has the ability and authority
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under Title ten to direct the National Guard as he
sees fit, with limitations, particularly as relates to the posse
Coomaitatis Act, which limits enforcement related to immigration.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Number two.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
There is the Title thirty two, which is under the
command of governors, and that's federally funded but state controlled
National Guard. Unless President Trump nationalizes federalizes the national Guard,
meaning takes the Title thirty two status and puts it
under Title ten, then I have the authority under my
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jurisdiction under Title thirty two to decide whether or not
we would comply with any orders from the Trump administration.
The reason Trump would prefer, I believe, states under Title
thirty two to enforce immigration policy and to coordinate with
mass deportation is that it doesn't fall under the Posse
(06:23):
Comitatis Act, which actually restricts his ability to do some
of that work. So it's a complicated question. There's legal
questions related to that old Civil War Act, which is
that Posse Commatatus Act. But the Title thirty two jurisdiction
that I have as governor gives me authority where we
can push back against any directives that we think are
(06:46):
inconsistent with our values the Constitution, and consistent with our
concerns or consistent with the concerns expressed by by the viewer.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
So to simplify, you know, when I go to restaurants,
whether it be in San Rafel or go to the NAPA,
or go to see people like some of the restaurant
workers and guys like that are women. Is there a
fear for them to be pulled out of their houses
at the middle of the night and be sent away.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I mean you're already feeling that. I mean there's a
chilling effect that's already going on. I think it's going
to impact already the conversation we're having. The election is
already impacting legal immigration, not just illegal or irregular immigration.
I was in the Central Valley yesterday. I mean no
part of California, Central Valley, central Coast, Silicon Valley in
California so reliant on immigrants. We're California state twenty seven
(07:39):
percent foreign born and many and what that really implies
is a lot of mixed status families, a lot of
people here without documentation living in families where people do
have documentation. We estimate seventy plus thousand kids are undocumented
that get educated every single day. Are they going to
keep going to school? You've got folks that are victims
(08:01):
of crime, witnesses a crime that may not want to
actually report those crimes to law enforcement because they're worried
about their immigration status or loved ones immigration status. God
is my witness. True story. Doug A.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Two three days ago, someone came up to me says
they have a patient and introduced me to this person.
Because I didn't believe them, I literally stress tested. I said,
you're making this up.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That is getting cancer treatment and doesn't want to get
cancer treatment anymore because she's scared to death that someone's
going to turn her in when she goes to get
those treatments. So, from a health perspective, from a public
safety perspective, from an educational perspective, from a legal immigration
perspective that has been the lifeblood of so much of
(08:48):
our economic output in California, and innovation and entrepreneurial spirit,
all of those things are being impacted all ready today.
You then add on mass deportation camps, and this guy
tries to nationalize the National Guard or compel people like
me to turn the National Guard that are doing all
kinds of good work all up and down the state,
(09:09):
including forest management, emergency preparedness, dealing with these big floods
that we're dealing with now on all these atmospheric rivers.
We're helping us during the last fire season and then
turns all their attention to one thing, mass deportation. We're
going to have the kind of friction the like so
we've never even imagined or experienced, certainly in our lifetime.
(09:31):
And so we're taking this very very seriously. But again
Title ten in Title thirty two, two different relationships and
two different frameworks of which the National Guard can or
cannot be used for mass deportation purposes. And if you're
not confused, you I've been paid attention. But it is
(09:52):
something that we are not confused by, meaning we are
sort of locking in to an understanding of what our
role will be be in relationship to anything Trump tries
to pull.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Got it, very good explanation, a.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Little confusing, but it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's just and I will say just you know, we've
never gotten away California has never gotten away of the
federal right and authority to enforce federal laws with federal resources.
We're not going to get in the way of that.
We've never gotten a way of that. And we certainly agree.
I agree that someone here without documentation, that that commits
(10:32):
a series or violent felony, someone that served their time.
I've vetoed a couple of laws where the legislature said,
uh that that we shouldn't coordinate with ICE, we shouldn't
coordinate with immigration authorities for people that have committed serious
or fella or violent crimes. I vetoed that because I
think we should and so I'm not, you know, we're
not somehow suggesting that we're going to continence or any
(10:56):
way excuse that kind of behavior. Quite the contrary. But
but it's these kids, it's those seeking healthcare, it's it's
the impact on mixed status families that we're going to
protect and we're going to preserve and advance our values.
We have a law called SB fifty four, and I'll
just say, you know, on behalf of the National Guard.
They've been our Swiss Army knife. I've asked the National
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Guard probably to do more than most other governors in
California history, going back to some of the issues during
the unrest with George Floyd, to the work we're doing
at the border to deal with fentanyl interdiction. We have
three hundred and ninety two National Guard men and women
working with our border patrol to address fentanyl introdiction. They've
done an unbelievable job. I've asked them to help in Oakland,
(11:40):
some of the jags under the National Guard to help
in Oakland and Alameda with prosecution. We've, as I said,
worked with them to deal with forest management, vegetation management,
to help with the emergency response. They've been unbelievable. To
see them used in this rank political way to advance
mass deportations is something, especially again under this title thirty
(12:04):
two framework, is not something that we're going to look
at lightly, and we'll push back very aggressively.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Ay Man, Hey, Gavin On, I don't know if you
recently saw the uh it was a pretty interesting article
on Dana White and the New Yorker talking about how
he's done with politics. Is disgusting over it and then look,
it's funny.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Hell's the over it. He was as in it and
deep into it as anybody out there in the last
six months.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
And by the way, for the record, I love what
Dane has built. I love how he's grinding all that way.
But it's interesting Gavigery, because he brought up he brought
up the fact that when he would go into UFC
fights and things with Trump, it was rockets, the ovation,
crazy but then he saw the other side about the
hate on the left. And so it's interesting. I've been
with you where we've gone to games where you've gotten
(12:51):
booed like crazy, but you've gone the Democratic Convention and
you've been you know, given the King's hat. So you've
seen that for your whole life. Dana said, look, I'm
done with it. I don't I don't like it. I'm
knocking to endorse anybody else anymore. He saw the vitriol
and the hate of what went on on both sides.
But it's interesting comment because it's like, you know what.
(13:11):
I don't blame what he said, but I'm gears get
your thoughts because you've lived. You lived that every day.
There's certain areas you go to. In fact, you were
just in the Central Valley. I'm sure you got some
haters up there, but then you come back to the
Marin County probably get lett a love.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
No, it's funny. I remember we were in a basketball
game with Dana White not too many years ago, and
in a in a less hospitable territory, and I remember
a lot of folks talking by his back just because
he was starting to entering into politics. Wasn't sort of
the zenith of his political support, as was the case
obviously with President Trump or President elect Trump in this respect.
(13:45):
But look, at least I admired d Dana was always
straightforward about it. He's like, look, I've known this guy forever.
It's had my back. He's been straight with me, and
I'm a loyal guy, and I don't follow through. So
I mean, he he had a theory of the case
that that didn't even have to get deep into the policy.
Weeds was more on the basis of a long standing relationship. Obviously,
I imagine he shares a lot of the same policy
(14:06):
perspective as well, But you know, I appreciate that. But look,
that's what Look, we've talked to a lot of guests
on this podcast about that when people have the courage
to come forward to express their political point of view,
a lot of people will applaud that and celebrate that
a lot of people are going to be pissed off.
And right now, in a fifty to fifty world, and
let's not forget it's a fifty to fifty world, a
less than fifty percent, just shy of fifty percent of
(14:28):
the country, and this quote unquote so called landslide supported Trump.
It wasn't much of a landslide. It just reinforces the
nature of this tension between the two parties and those
that are advocates within those parties. So look, I get it,
and I appreciate what he's saying, but I also admire
people have the courage of their convictions as well. So
(14:49):
hats off to Data for having the courage of his
convictions people that put themselves out. And I know, Doug,
we got someone who's coming up on this pod, Kathy Griffin,
who I know well has been way out front on
politics for many, many years. But a perfect guest to
really amplify and discuss this because she got into it
(15:10):
a lot with a lot of folks when she did
something a few years ago we'll talk about when she
gets on related to her comedy, and she expressed her
discontent with Donald Trump at the time, and she paid
a big political and personal and professional price for that
as well. So maybe she's the better person to ask.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Doug.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
There you go, let's bring her on, all right, Kathy?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Remember me?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, No, I've not been able to get you out
of my mind ever since we hung out together in
the Governor's office.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
We had a kiki.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Well, okay, don't tell me what a kiky is. What
is a kiki?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Like a conbo a two people just sitting down and
let it all out.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
We were letting it out. We had we we were
both expressing frustration, no stress, that anxiety. We were emoting.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Well, Gab, I mean, Kathy is not afraid to talk.
So did she did? She? She did? She talk a
lot that day, Gaviner.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It was kind of a one way conversation where I
just went, I know, I agree, I'm sorry, I've.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Been most of the talking. I'm going to do the
same thing here, So good luck anywhere edgewise.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
By the way, Kathy my only recollection.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
She started to cry.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
He burst into tears, rock him like a baby.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You made me feel guilty somehow I was responsible for
the issue that we were discussing. I was like, how
is how am I being blamed for this?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
That's your fault, dog government.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Kathy hasn't had any stress, Doug as it relates to
things being her fault.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Certainly not. I'm a political ramalm or with any anyone
of higher office.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well, the good news is, Kathy, you've stayed away from politics,
so effectively. Oh, of course most of your career.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Look I tried. I tried. That's all I'm going to say.
I did my best.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
No, But Kathy, honestly, it's it's an honor have you on.
I've been a huge fan of years for a long time.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I wish I could say the same. I don't know
who you are, sir. I know, you know, I know.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I mean, I'm struggling just to convince his his four
three kids of his status as well.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Kathy, Well, if you can find them now, we're here
to have fun. What happened to Marsha and he got canned?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
He's got cad who he's It turns out he may
be on that same list you are on the no
fly list. So we're trying to figure out where.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
He is on the no fly list and the Interpol
list and the five Yes list.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So Kathy, let me ask a question. When you go
when you go through like TSA Pree, they stop you
and say, hey, Kathy, hey, let me you're you're now
you have a big check saying you're on the no
fly list. You're on the no list. It is there
like a screen at the airport for you.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I I love that you think when this happens they
call me Kathy like they're like uh oh oh uh okay,
miss Grif. But keep in mind the no Fialist, the Interpolist,
which is the international version. So I was stopped everywhere
from Los Angeles airport to London Heathrow Singapore. Was really fun.
(18:20):
And and then I was on something called the Five
Eyes List, which is the actual chair watch list.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That's a big one.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, and we put it out with four other countries.
And so they take your passport, they take your phone,
they put you in a detention room for an indiscriminate
amount of time and it is scary as hell though.
By the way, if you don't know my backstory, Hi,
I'm Kathy Griffin. Ever meant to be a controversial comedian.
I usually just tell like Kardashian jokes. And I took
(18:48):
a rather infamous photo of holding up a Halloween mask
of a certain ex president soon to be future dictator
who shall be unnamed, with some ketchup on it, you know,
a little Perseus and Medusa stand up.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I can imagine you in that cell. I watched Smugglers
all the time. When these guys come over from Columbia
and they're in my table and that's you right there,
kat I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I was like a living episode of Narcos for four years. Yes,
I didn't have I wasn't running any drugs. I was
just telling bit jokes. But I actually could not even
tour in the United States. So I toured overseas first
where I was beloved and welcome, and then I knew
to tour Canada before I came back to the US,
and then I was finally forgiven. And I'm actually back
(19:36):
on tour now for the first time in six and
a half years since the trum photo scandal. And I'm
on the Cath Griff in My Life on the PTSD
list tour get It. And I used to have a
show called My Life on the d List you can
watch on Peacock. And I have been on many lists
that no other comedians in history like me or not.
(19:59):
I I'm in the history books no other In fact,
no other citizen has actually been on the Five Eyes
List for taking a satirical photo of the president. But yes,
I've made my mark. But I do have an announcement
which is in my new show, which I'm about fifty
cities in I just played Carnegie Hall two weeks ago.
It was magical. I don't even mention Trump in my
(20:21):
new show. So I just want people to know that
it's not that I'm afraid of him, obviously. I just
I told that story and now I have the PTSD
that goes along with it. So I'm making a line
of my own PTSD. And I still have a lot
of good celebrity gossip that I throw in with the
old Kathy Griffin razzle Dazel.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Look well, Kathy, by the way back to our co
host Moreshaun is not here. He did actually was on
the no fly zone into Canada. You got into Canada.
He was not allowed to get into Canada because he
had some issues back in the day, So he was
That was the one cause.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I wasn't making that up, Kathy. I was not making
that up.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I love that one. When it comes to Marshall, it's
issues back in the day with the International Terror watch list.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Hold on, Kathy, So let me ask you a question,
Are you still on that list now?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
No, you can't. You can't fly if you're on it.
So I really couldn't fly during the investigation.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
How many lawyers, how much money did you spend to
get off that list?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
About a million dollars?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Did you really? Wow? Okay? And how do you get
on me?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Is there like a lawyer get you go in the
Yellow Pages and say terrorists watch list? Lawyer who can defend?
Who do you even go to to figure out how
to uwine something like that?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Well? First of all, I have amazing lawyers. I've actually
been sued seven times by Trumper since the Trump photo.
I have an outstanding case in federal court in Tennessee.
I've had them all dismissed. I've had cases in the
Eastern District of Kentucky, Kentucky State Court, LA Superior Court,
and now my Tennessee case is outstanding. Okay, that aside.
(21:50):
When the Trump photo scandal happened, I he just retired.
But I had an amazing for cemment attorney. My attorneys
now are still great. But my attorney, Alan Isaacman, is
the real guy that Edward Norton played in the film
The People Versus Larry Flint.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Oh wow movie. I don't know. So.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I the first time I got into trouble I was
I look it up and I'm like, I wonder if
that guy is a real guy and still a lawyer.
I cold call him. I'm like, you're not gonna believe this,
and so he was very, very helpful. But I didn't
just get a call from local PD. And I'm not
putting myself in their category, but even the great George
(22:32):
Carlin and the great Lady Bruce, they were hassled by
local PD. I had the fence, I had the pends
coming after me. They did a full investigation. The FBI
was coming to the house about twice a week. And
I will say I'm not anti government. The FBI credit
was saving my life because they would come to the
(22:53):
house and do something called what you know, I'm sure
governor a duty to warn, which is when they could
detain act credible threats versus non credible threats. They had
a duty to come to my house and physically tell
me what the threat was as much as they could,
because they couldn't always tell me every detail. And that
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went on for weeks, if not months, and they would say, well,
there's a bomb threat at this venue, or there's a
very serious you know actor who's specifically mentioned how he
wants to murder you on this day, and they would
give me a bunch of information as they could. And
I'm telling you, I got so used to seeing those guys.
It was like cheers. Like when norm would come in,
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I'd be like, Hey, come on, guys, what's going on
this week? But when I was interrogated under oath, I
had two agencies coming after me. At Trump's best, I
filed a foya. I got it back. It was the
Attorney General and Trump, of course, and the seriousness, seriousness
with which they were actually trying to charge me with
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conspiracy to assassinate the President of the United States. She's shocking,
which holds a lifetime sentence, as you know. And so
when I was interrogated, it was my two agencies, the
Secret Service in the US Attorney's Office. Governor explain the
difference between those two agencies.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Correct daylight and darkness or sunshine? I mean, like I mean,
it's his order of magnitude.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So the Secret Service was frankly looking to see if
they could and the US Attorney's Office was ready to
file the charge if they could find enough. Every yeah,
and so I have to find the comedy and everything.
And I have to say there was a little accidental
comedy in my interrogation, which was they said, do you
have any firearms or weapons in your home? And I
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said no, And they actually let my attorneys with one
of the FEDS do They didn't do a non ock
grade on me, so I was grateful for that. They
let one of my attorneys do the house search and stuff.
And I I have a sword from the Gay Swordsman,
which is a gay porn company. And I hosted your
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awards once and if you could have seen me under
oath being caught saying, oh, I do have a sword. Now,
keep in mind there's a picture of me holding Trump's
head and all of a sudden they got real quiet,
and my lawyer has a slow look like, oh no.
And then I'm trying to explain hosting this gay porn
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award show and how ironically the porn that won that
year was called Justice, and the plot of it was
where he was being interrogated, not unlike this, sir, although
in this film they weren't following protocol. In fact, it
ended up where they all had sex. And my lawyers
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looking at me like this, He's like, all the money wasted,
all my feets wasted. But they didn't do it. They
couldn't find and I still have my gay sword.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Okathy, let me ask a question. Were there were there
days and weeks or months where you're like going, okay, dude,
my house is tapped. I got bugs everywhere. People came
over and you're like whispering in the garden like hey,
I can't talk, Like did you think did you go
through some psychosists? Like they're on to me, like I
can't talk, They're watching me at all hours, and I'm
going I'm maybe going down for this.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, it wasn't paranoia or psychosis, because I don't know
if you guys remember Christopher Wiley, but he's the Cambridge
Antico went a whistle blow, or here's the guy that
testified before the House and the Senate. One day he
had pink hair, one day he had green hair. Gay guy.
Of course I love him automatically. So he did a
bunch of research and he said, you know, they tracked
you for a really long time. And I said, yeah,
(26:45):
I know, I know Trump was itching to charge me
with something, and yes, it's a weird feeling, and yet
I just had to go through it. And like I said,
I just want to stress I am not anti government.
I know they had to do their deal due diligence
at his behest. I don't want it to happen to
anybody else. I well, I'm not any more careful than
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I used to be, but I did not violate the
First Amendment. I did reach out to my attorneys prior
to posting that photo. And Governor, you're an attorney, you
know it was covered. And so people think I just
willy nilly posted this cory picture. No, of course, I've
been doing this for decades. You guys, I'm sixty four,
and I don't know any of the other amendments.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
By the way, did you fire that attorney for saying
go ahead and posted?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Kathy?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Oh no, he had. He helped me prep for the interrogation.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Okay, good, good.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
But I know we can make light of this, but
I mean, it's you've had a hell of a few years, Kathy,
and and you and and and and and and obviously
it must be I'm I don't I can imagine. I
don't know, but so much now when when you when
your name comes up, we have this conversation as opposed
to Guinness Book World of Records more come you know, oh.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Guinness Book a world records holder more televised or streamed
stand up comedy specials than any comedian living or dead,
male or female. Twenty one stand up comedy specials.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Can't make it up, No, But it's like next level career,
next level success, which continues to this day. And we're
going to get back to your tour in a minute.
But I you know, it's so interesting and Doug, you remember,
just briefly we were talking to Marshaun and George Lopez,
and Lopez had a little bit of a similar issue
where it's just when it comes to presidents and the
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Secret Service, it's just it's the one area you don't play.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You don't play no, because they're serious people, they have
a serious mission, they have bosses. When I when Jason
Leopold from Bloomberg filed the FOYA, it was quite shocking.
And the amount of discretion that the Los Angeles Secret
Service Office used to pursue the case that they knew
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was be a is upsetting to me. But you know,
that's bureaucracy, and not everybody's going to agree with me,
and I understand, and I really do respect everyone's right
to hate that photo or hate that I did it
I just want people to understand it is covered under
the First Amendment. As a comic, I've made fun of
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every president ever, Democrat or Republican. I feel it's part
of a comedian's job. I thought that photo was going
to live on a gay blog for two days and
nobody would ever see it. I wasn't on a TV
show at the time. I do have a history with Trump.
I've known him for at least twenty five years, maybe thirty.
He's hired me one time. He paid me fifty thousand
(29:42):
dollars to go to Bedminster and roast him, and I remember,
he's a total pussy. He's like, oh, don't make fun
of the hair. Here she comes, here, she comes.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I go.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You called me Donald? You know, he was known as
the Donald. I'd call him Donald and'd say it's the Donald.
I mean, that's funny and itself.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
No bullshit. Kathy, you've lived in all honesty. You've lived
three hundred lives.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Too many, And yes, I have. The Trump scandal lost
about seventy five percent of my friends that never came back.
I'm listed by my own beloved industry. Became addicted to pills,
tried to take my life when on a fifty one
to fifty cycle for three days, like I'm you know,
Brittany and Kanye combined. I basically walked into my own act.
(30:36):
I then got diagnosed with lung cancer even though I've
never smoked, had half a lung removed, was injured during
the lung surgery, so my voice was like this for
about three years. That mess with my head. And then
you guys, ten weeks ago, a female surgeon, doctor Unca
Barbou at Cedars. She gave me an implant in my
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left vocal court and I have my voice back. So
I'm so grateful, you guys, just to be back on
the road and to be playing Carnegie. I kissed the
stage at the end, so I got down on my
hands and knees and the lipstick mark was there, and
I'm just grateful to be working. I'll be at the
Masonic in San Francisco. I just played the Wilchurn in
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Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
We will be there. We will be there for that one,
I hope.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
So I had my first gig on New Year's Eve
since I got shit canned from CNN for the Trump
picture by Jeff Zucker, who got fucking me too. Out
of the business, but I'm still canned anyway. I'll be
at the Iconic Chicago Theater on buz No.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
But McAthy and all, honestly, like what you went through, Like,
give me how did you number one? Battling back from that?
Kudos to you. I appreciate that, because that's that's big
time shiit. Second of all, Second of all, who is
who is your support team to kind of help you
through those those those stages.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I'd be honest, that's been the hardest part. And I
think that you know, I've been a happy work my
whole life. And I tell the audience this, I say,
I call my show an evening of honesty. And I
didn't know what to do with myself when that happened.
And I get a kick out of people that come
up to me and say, I'll bet it's fun having
all those people apologize to you, right, not one, not
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one person. I lost the CNN gig. I'll be honest.
I really loved Anderson Cooper. I thought he was my buddy.
I loved doing that gig. I did it for ten years.
You know, Andy Cohen replaced me. He was my boss
at Bravo, and I had my Life on the d List,
which won two Emmys. It hurts. I wish I could
dress it up in a joke, but you just kind
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of have to deal. So I just found a kind
of a a proud member of AA as a ex
pill head, and so that was one way to meet
some people that you know. At my age, I thought,
how do I meet new people? So I met some
new folks that way, and then my group is just
much smaller, and I have these salon parties and it's
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just a twelve person party where there's no phones allowed
at the table, and that way you get to really
know people and only one person is allowed to talk
at a time. And I usually have a guest of honor,
and I'll have somebody that's kind of been through the fire.
I've had two for the great Egene Carol, i had
one for Monica Malinsky. I had one for Dylan mulvaney,
(33:24):
who's also suffered far Ride hate. So sometimes I'll just
have one for someone wonderful, like Ron Funges, who's just
a great comic. But I like to kind of pick
somebody that maybe needs to be celebrated a bit, and
those kind of kept me going too, So just connecting
with people. But like I said, I'm a road rat.
I'm a comic through and through to be on the road.
(33:47):
I don't care if I'm doing you know some honey,
I'm going to the real America. I was in Oklahoma
last weekend. I was in Tech.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I was there too. I was in Norman.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I was ret you there, honey, I played norm I
can't even tell you how many times I played Oak City.
I was thrilled to be back. I am going. I
got a show in Buckhead. Oh you guys get this.
I had a show in Augusta, Georgia, and they had
to cancel it because they only sold twenty seven tickets.
So I'm like a politician. Doesn't sound like if the county.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Is blue or not.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I swear if I tend to have better sales if
there's a Democrat governor and senators. But I'm still going
to the red cities because I know that there are
ladies and gay guys that are They love to say
I'm a blue dot in a sea of red. So
she go there too. I'm going there. I'm not afraid.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Strangest thing I've been out on the road and the
biggest crowds I've ever had ever are in those states
because people don't always show up there and they appreciate it.
So I totally appreciate what you're saying. There's the people
come out, But is it just it it's you know,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Prior to the Trump photo, it was never like that.
I wasn't considered a political comedian. I was never considered
a lightning rod. My whole brand has been making fun
of celebrity, and I still do. But the Trump photo
changed stuff irrevocably. So I just have to adapt to it.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
And as you know, I wanted to pick up with
where I was going was where Doug was going in
the beginning. He said, if you did that today, yeah,
it may have just been a little you know, maybe
you know, a couple of little blogs back and forth,
some sort of expressed outrage, feigning of outrage.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
And he won.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I reached out to about seven of my attorneys, and
by those way, my attorneys all adore me. All their
kids are going to college, because anyway, every single one
of them, I was like, I'm so tempted. I want
to post a picture again. I want to post the
picture again, and every one of them and you know,
the lawyer speak. Dear Kathy, while I completely understand and
(35:53):
agree with you, oh blah, you do have an outstanding
case in federal court and Tennessee coming up. You don't
want to take the jury pool, et cetera, et cetera.
And by the way, the case that I have is
there was a video that went viral. You may have
seen it three years ago of a ceo who's a
mega guy and his name is Sam Johnson. He was
the CEO of a hospital company and he's on tape
(36:16):
harassing two trans kids at their prom photo shoot. But
I've been the a in LGBTQIA my whole life. I'm
an ally. You're either a real ally or you're not.
And sometimes being an ally isn't just wearing, you know,
a Pride flag T shirt. Sometimes you got to go
the distance. So I tweeted about the guy. He got fired.
(36:37):
He blamed my tweets for it, but I didn't even
know it had already gone viral on TikTok the day
before because Granny here was still on Twitter. But anyway,
that's just the new normal. And I do find that
since Trump is in people are more litigious. And I
say this after decades of calling celebrities every name in
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the book and never being sued, and people did seem
to have a better sense of humor. And I always
thought politicians were fair game, maybe more than anybody.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yes, yes, well, I hope that we're not.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Look and I'm not complaining about the woke mind virus.
I'm not one of those. I think it's a comic.
I should evolve. I don't want to use words that
would hurt someone's feeling feelings. I want to learn and grow.
On the other hand, we are at a tipping point
where we do need to have a bit of a
better sense of humor about ourselves.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
But don't you think that?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
But don't you think that's happening, Kathy. Don't you think
there's sort of I mean, there's sort of a sense
of that this pendulum starting to swing back sort of
woke is that I was reading all these blogs today,
no bs, I look at this. There's a blog I
get every morning called the Writing Our Ighdi and it
has about the top ten of the right wing blogs.
And there were three or four this morning saying woke
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is dead. Now Trump winning, cancel cultures is over. We
finally found this equilibrium. But I find it highly iron
that cancel cultures over and yet you're still canceled.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, I mean, no friends, but I should have a
TV special, like I don't have the fact that I
don't have a special, And my agents came out and said,
and I appreciate the honesty, they said, the industry is
still squeamish about the Trump photos, so it's very bizarre.
I like I said, I just don't want to fall
into that trope world of like wocism is bad or
(38:28):
it's over. I mean, in my personal experience, it ain't
over when it comes to Donald Trump and his folks,
but it's over about everybody else. So I can feel
like there should be a standard that's across the board,
and that's how it used to be. But look, we,
like I said, we still evolve. There are comedy clubs
in parts of the country where they still say faggot
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and people still laugh at it, and I would be mortified.
So we have to realize also, and that's why I
do like going to the real America. It takes time.
People took a long time to get offended. They're taking
a long time to get unoffended. But yeah, the cherry
picking is where it gets kind of weird. And I'm
just gonna say a word that I know you guys
(39:14):
probably are sick of. But the misogyny is really pretty
bad and stand up and so I still have people
say it's too bad. You don't think it can be
funny unless you curse, which is just not something they
say to the guys. So I'm just happy to be
out there because there aren't that many of us, especially
it's sixty more so to me, every show is a win.
(39:36):
Every show is a win. But no, I think the
pendulum is starting to turn back a bit more and
it's about time.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Well, Kathy, you're a rockstar. Let me ask a question
back to your personal life. Did the pills and addiction
come as a result of the photo? Like were you
on a before that, were you living life cleaner and whatnot?
And it was not a result.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
You don't even drink, right.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
No, I've never had a drink in my life to
the day, and I think that's why I didn't think
I could be an addict, because I've never had a drink.
And I don't mean to blame everything on the stupid
Trump picture, but I have to laugh at the fact
that I basically became a junkie at the age of
fifty seven. Who becomes a junkie of fifty seven? Bilbody
I'm supposed to be trying on my diapers?
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Was there was there a pillow choice? Or was it
all pills?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
All of them?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yes, blotted all of them.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I wanted everything to be just blotted out. I couldn't
feel anymore, I couldn't deal with anything. And then it
got ahead of me, and then it was winning, and
then the suicidal ideation started, which never would have happened
without the pills. And so I even talk about that
in my show, but I do do the disclaimer. I
am not making fun of suicidal ideation. I've been there.
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This is just my story. But I have people that
come up to me after the show and go, I'm
glad you talk about it.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, Kathy, By the way, you're an inspiration what you've
been through, like a that you've been through three hundred lives,
You've You've lived a life to help people out because
what you went through. I mean, who else in the
country has gone through what you've gone through. Honestly, you've
gone through the suicide pills. The Trump photo Uh, I
mean you've gone through.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Eating disorders. My gosh, cat, hey, you have me no violence?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I know, come on, there's more, there's more living to
do for me.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I got to list your gun. You're wrong, I know.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
It's what's not on the list that's the more interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I promise not to become a QAnon No matter what QAnon.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
You haven't. You haven't been committed your next level champion
for the LGBTQ community. You've been, as you say, the
A and I but why that's interesting to me? Why
why have you been so consistent.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I've named my show back in the Day my Life
on the D list, and I call myself a dalister
because I understand I'm not on the A list, and
I'm fine with it. And I think there's humor in that.
And I think there's an organic relationship that I've had
with the community since I can remember. For real, like
in first grade, I was that kid that recognized the
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quiet boy that for some reason seemed a little like
he wasn't feeling like he was fitting in. And then
I sort of turned into that girl in junior high
that was with the guys from the musicals. And I
know that's a cliche, but I'm sorry it was true.
And so, you know, I only went to one dance
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in my four years of high school. I went to
one prom with my gay guy bestie, and I officiated
his wedding, you know, all of it. And so it's everything.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
I think.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Here's something about feeling like as a woman, I have
to work and jump higher and keep proving myself over
and over and over. That is probably the sensibility that
we share. And also, you know, I have a fighter
in me. I don't know if it's my crazy, drunken
Irish parents who I miss every day, but they had
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you know, my dad was a precinct captain and my
mom worked the polls, and you had to come to
the Griffin dinner table. You know, not necessarily a college education,
but you had to read the Chicago Times and the
Chicago Trip every day. You had to know which well no,
which Alderman was on the take. I was a kid
mayor daily the corrupt dad was the mayor and we
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would talk about that and it was just a kind
of a political household, but really just as a hobby.
My dad worked in retail and my mom wasn't working.
Mom in the admin office of a hospital. And so
it's just kind of what I grew up with, not
with stuff handed to me, but also not with absolutely
nothing and deal with a crazy family of alcoholics and
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trying to figure out my place. And I think that's
what a lot of gay folks are doing. But especially
back in my era, guys that couldn't come out, girls
that couldn't come out, they could come out to me.
And there's something, it's a vibe that you feel, you know,
I mean, something that I have to this day. Look,
I have friends to this day that are in parts
(44:24):
of the country where if I have a friend who's
a seventy year old construction worker in a part of
the country where he cannot come out and he has
to listen to the other guys on the Joba site
lfag jokes all day every day. He's got a husband
at home that none of them know about, and he
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just deals with it. And so I want to go
to that guy's town and make him laugh, and I
want him to come over to my house for launch
and make him laugh or whatever it takes. But I
just want us city folks to remember there's a whole
whole country out there.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
I love it, by the way, Kathy, just I'm curious
what And I appreciate the spirit of everything you said,
not just what you said too and and and seeing
that person that no one else has seen and feeling
having that empathy, uh, and feeling that.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Connection and being a champion for folks and being their voice.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Did the did you?
Speaker 4 (45:20):
And it's a it's a general statement.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I'm mart it's a general question, and it may not
be a fair one, it may not make any sense,
But did you sense that the community abandoned you a
little bit after twenty seventeen? In the photo I.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Felt the power gaze did not the not the actual community.
But to be absolutely honest, because it doesn't matter, they're
they're not hiring me anyway. I it hurts that I
feel for decades, I showed up. I hosted every gig,
I did the auction, the most thankless job by the
(45:55):
way of any charity event. I did the auctions, I
donated the tickets to the meet and greet. I you know,
and I just have to be honest. I learned a
tough lesson which that when it comes to powerful men,
and look, there's people like Marc Andrees and I'll be
in a fight with and he's a gay guy. And
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I found that in my experience these guys were still
privileged guys first and gay second. They would probably not
agree with that assessment. I'm just telling you it hurts,
and I shed many tears over that. I'm not here
to make enemies. I see these guys, I say, Hi,
I hug. Maybe they're not aware of it, as you know,
(46:40):
there's a lot of subconscious stuff that's going on. But yeah,
I did feel a bit deserted by that.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
No, totally get a kathy. So, like I said, going
back to you know how many summers we have left
in borrowed time. You and Anderson Cooper were so close
if you reached out to him and say, listen, Mac,
can we get together and hug it out and break
some bread.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I finally reached out to him this year. It took
all this time, and you know, I was very believe
it or not, I was very close with his mom,
the great Gloria Vanderbilt, and a lot of people don't
even know his mom was Gloria vanderw And I actually
knew Glow as I called her better than Anderson because
we just clicked and something just made me think about her,
(47:19):
and I thought, you know, let me just reach out
to Anderson and tell him. And I was thinking of
all these sayings she I mean, she was an epic.
She would say stuff like, you know, I fucked hot Brando,
not fat Brando. I mean, how can you now love
a dame like that? That kind of girl, And she
would say things like you'd never done and there's always more.
(47:43):
And she had been like rich people, Connecticut accent and stuffing,
and she had lived such a life and so I
just was missing her one day, and so I emailed
him and I just said that, I said, I'm missing
your mom and I missed the sayings they stay. Your
whole life can change in one phone call. And I
just said, I just want you to know I'm thinking
(48:03):
about you and I'm missing her. And he wrote me
back and he said, you know, I miss your mom too,
and your mom was always so sweet to me, and
my mom adored him. And so I don't know what
will happen, but at least there's been one email exchange,
and that feels better than just nothing.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
You know, well, Anderson, I'm giving I'm giving a shout
out to Anderson to come to one of Cathy's famous parties.
You can be the guest of honor off CNN studio.
Lets go, let's get down, and how about.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
How about Andy Cohen? I mean is and you guys
have connected.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Now that's a tough one, man like. Like I said,
he was my boss and I got canned. And I
loved working at Bravo. I loved doing specials and I
had a talk show there for two seasons. And My
Life on the d List was Emmy nominated every season
and won twice. And I'm not his cup of tea.
(48:57):
And it hurts. It just hurts. I can't. I'm not
going to say any good. It just it kind of hurts.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Well, Kathy, So let me ask a question. You're grinding
so much, You're working your ass off, the tourists, kicking ass,
You're doing amazing things. Do we have a love in
your life right now? Kathy? That makes you happy?
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Excuse me? I think I should be the next Golden Bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Okay, how about that?
Speaker 1 (49:20):
You're ready for my pitch?
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yeah, Jesus, here it is.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
I'm not sure it's PG.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
It's not. Okay, So the current one is great. I
love her. I'm pointing I love Okay, So Kathy Griffin's
the Golden Bachelorette. The first episode where there's the most
bachelors and the most roses, I fuck each one, each one,
and then I decide, what did I lose? You? I mean, oh,
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hiting cameras just a little blur here and there for
the celling light boom ratings gold You heard it?
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Your folks, what do you think, Doug? You're an agent, Doug,
what do you think?
Speaker 4 (49:57):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Well, I think, by the way, I'm a s changing Kathy,
you might need a better agent because you can't even
you can't even get you on that one show you're
on tour right now. Having said that, I know people
at the Bachelor right maybe we can make that happen.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Really there we go. Yeah, I may want to come
up with the first kind of a re I we'll
talk about that first episode. It's an idea. I appreciate
the pitch. Appreciate the pitch. By the way, what's I
mean your what's your pitch to folks that that want
to you want to come back and reconnect with with
(50:31):
Kathy Griffin, that that miss you that or you know
or I feel like, what's you know you're back out
as you say you're going to be out here in la.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I'm on the road Kathygriffin dot com for tickets New
Year's Eve the Chicago Theater. Look. I love it when
people watch My Life on the d List and they
have nostalgic feelings about it. It's on Peacock. I'm so
thrilled they finally put it on Peacock. And I own
all my library. So I own my life on the
(51:00):
d List. I own all my twenty one specials. I
own my talk show. My talk show you can see
on Apple for free. And so don't rediscover the stuff.
Rediscover my mom and dad who were hilarious on my
reality show.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Well, Kathy, I gotta be honest. You I loved you suddenly, Susan.
I used to watch out people, Come on, I was.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
I mean, I go back to a show where I
was the wise, cracking secretary to Brooke Shields.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
I mean, but by the way, Gavin God, let's be honest.
I mean, look, shout out to Brooke Shields.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Come on, Oh, lagoon inappropriate movie, inappropriately inappropriate. Believe she
was exploited, I know, but.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
There's a great death about her called pretty baby anyway,
So yes, look at the old stuff, come see the
new tour. I love doing what I do. I think
I have another book in me. I've written two books.
One went to number one, one went to fifteen. Sky's
the limit. Don't be afraid of me.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Both him, Kathy. I'll be honest, there is no dinner
party that more Sean Lynch at your table. He is
the best dinner that you ever had. In fact, he
brought my wife to the White House Christmas party last year,
so he is a great day.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Okay, First of all, he didn't tell you about our history.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
What's it? Uh, Jesus, here we go.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
I co hosted a charity gig with Danny Debido and
he won some ring for some contest in football and was.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
On some team Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Okay, I guess I'll just take a space, and the
team was.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
So all the streets were very excited to see him.
You know how you guys get you straits get very
excited around athletes, and so he's He was very shy
at the time and known for not talking well. When
you're hosting a charity show, sometimes they're like, hey, the
band isn't ready. You gotta go outstretch. So I ran
into the audience and I was like, where's that guy.
(52:52):
What's his name? Marshawn Lynch. They pointed him out. I
went up to my hat the microphone. I busted his
ball so hard I made him spoon me. I said,
I'm not leaving until you spoon me, and I want
to be the little spoon Now. He was a man
of few words. I'm just gonna be honest. It was
hard work getting him to open up, but I Kathy
(53:15):
Griffin had marsha On Lynch spooned me and it was
tender and love and sim not be spelled.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Oh look at that sensitive marsh On Lynch.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
I love it. I love it. Have you.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
I've been body slammed by him, but not spooned. Correct.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Okay, well there you go. It's one of my nine lives, your.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Nine lives, No, mccathy, this is this has been a treat.
I mean, honestly, I've been a huge fan of years
and I love what you're all about. And literally you're
a grinder, you're a battler, You've overcome so many things.
You're funny as hell and I and trust me, I'll
never leave your life. Kathy, I'm here. I don't walk away.
I don't walk away, Kathy. I'm all in Okay, I'm
(54:04):
going to make you spoore me.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
I'm going to make a spook me.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
I'm a good spooner too, my wife. Yes, all good,
all good, No.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Just mad respect, resilience and uh and what an example
to so many people that are struggling out there, that
are suffering. And you lost your mom on top of
everything else, we said, and right that alone, can you
know set people back? But the fact that you haven't
been set back by any of this, and and you're
is is tough and tenacious and and funny and and
(54:32):
and lovable as you've ever been says a lot about you.
And so grateful to be able to share you a
little bit with our audience. And and I hope everybody
out there listening. You're here the Masonic, you're down in LA.
You got your New Year's show. Check out, Yathy Griffin.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
I have as easy as I would be on Thank
you mu
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