December 13, 2022 • 52 mins
The hags went for their big night at Jar. Crying while driving, it’s time for the ashram. To identify the true medicine. To be refined in the fires of suffering. The critic. Ice cold water. Tomatoes in November. Loose leaf tea. Thank you’s written in hot fudge. Calling all New York Body Workers and Acupuncture Practitioners. Will we ever develop habits? Christmas drinks. Sneak around the pain.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm caper Land. I'm Jacqueline Novak, and this is poog,
an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends too
untamable intellects. This is ourb this is our hell, this
is our naked desire for free products. This is today's topic.
Loosely speaking, a bumper, a coaster, a title, Hello him.
(00:32):
When you sigh like that, do you get a response
from others like what's wrong or anything like that? Uh?
I mean obviously I'm asking because I do. Yeah, like
I'm trying to think of the wrong side like that.
I've got plenty wrong, but right I always feel like, no,
(00:55):
that's the first time I breathed in five minutes. You
should be applauding me. I was suffering in the five
minutes before the side. Yeah, I don't know if I'm
from a big sire. Um. Good morning, Uh, good morning.
It's good. In a couple of weeks, which is funny.
We last spoke the day after Thanksgiving, I believe, I mean,
(01:18):
you and I of course have spoken offline. But tons
tons tons. I felt bad for the listeners at times,
you know, almost like god, they'd love this. Yeah, I
know they eat this up um. It's really interesting when
you're crying, like crying, where did the tears come from? Well,
(01:41):
that's the question. And how do they never end? Well,
I told you the other day, drink water, right, I
mean that's water. So you're losing watery, Yeah, you gotta be.
It's I did yesterday drink a big L M N
T element electrolyte drink, which, by the way, where are
(02:04):
they we need the powder? Okay? So but I did
drink some electrolytes for that reason. I had electrolytes yesterday.
They were Vega. You know Vega, and I read Vegas
book years ago. That's not his name, but you know,
and I've really taken with it about energy and the electrolytes.
(02:27):
It said I decided to pour some to actually it
said mid workout, and I was like, let's try it
during my tracy and it said pour into ice cold water.
Now what does that mean to you? And why do
you think that's essential? Why are they saying that? And
they were saying that in the instructions. I have no idea,
and that's very you know anti are Veda. I don't
(02:49):
understand why you'd want it to be cold. The only
thing I could think was that they don't want the
salts or whatever to dissolve. Like what I'm confused by
that we went into that elementating that we never will.
But yeah, let's reach out to them. I'm gonna say, oh,
but I had a moment that I wanted to Um,
(03:10):
I think I texted you about but I don't know,
but I was it's interesting when you're driving and crying
because you're like anyway, I was driving and crying and
I saw this bumper and pulled in front of his car,
and the bumper sticker said, take a deep breath, Comma,
you've got this baby, And to my horror, I looked
(03:32):
at it. I took a deep breath and I excelled,
and I was like, like, I actually did it and
healed by a bumper stick to my horse. Yeah, okay, No,
it's like when you were healed by Matthew McConaughey. Hey, um,
(03:53):
you know red lash and one must not be too
good for being healed by a bumber sticker, a coaster, yeah, button,
or a gift or a celebrities book. Totally, you know,
(04:15):
I've been healed by a title. I mean that's a
little ever healed by a title of a book. Don't
need to read it. Well, fear and do it anyway.
My mom used to say that to me when I
was little. It's so sweet and it made me the
woman you are today, and it maybe that's I will.
I've also been I think when I'm I'm oh, I
(04:38):
almost forgot about this. So I'm going to New York
in a few days, gonna be doing my show. I
also want to I'm sorry forgive me Jack, and but
I want to plug a poog. This is for the
poog hags. This is a discount code for Christmas Eve
and New Year's Eve shows. Yes, mac Kate, m A
c k a t E is going to get you
(04:58):
off those holidays. Oh again, that's m a c K
T all caps for the just those just the holiday shows.
But got a two o'clock and six pm. Okay, anyway,
after this run this little gift that I'm going to
give myself as I want to finally go to Seln
and big sir, Oh you're invited. Went from solo retreat
(05:20):
to you also being there. But I want to do it.
It's it's Ashram time, you know. I want like I
just want now that it's an ashram, but right, but
I think I are you at all intrigued by a
silent meditation? By by a silent retreat? Literally couldn't be more.
(05:41):
I have been waiting us at a silent retreat, like
because we will imagine the eye contact. Oh yeah, well
because at the child retreat. And this is where I struggle.
No writing, I believe some of them to well, that depends.
I think I would have to be able to write
and read. Well, let me ask you this. Are they
(06:03):
all like that? Are you? Are they all no? No?
No to write? No? That that was almost a thought
that wasn't related to the sulent thing. I I just
was because I have had friends that have gone on
silent retreats and you know, they're like, yeah, day four
is really challenging. I'm like, yeah, I can't do that.
I don't know if that's Is that what I really needed?
That the medicine I really need? Yeah, but we'll see,
(06:24):
we'll see. Um, I could do the silence with the
others And Okay, you and me are both addicted to
thinking right to figuring it out and the belief of
following the thought through and that and that it can
be figured out and I can find peace, right, and
(06:44):
then it's a sickness. Yeah, we were talking about because
I was saying you the other day about my spiritual
dollar signs in the eyes like a cartoon character. You said,
you said this, and I want you to say it
for the listeners because it was so brilliant to me.
Thank you. And we're similar and this is where we're
It's like when you have a friend that you share
a particular kind of compulsion with, Like it's kind of incredible,
(07:08):
right and you know, dangerous, Like I don't know, I
don't know's I actually think. No, I think it's I
think it's good. I think because when the other one
is in the throes of it, the second figure can
be the witness. And you know, we can, you can
play the role of witness. But like and then you
and me use our our minds, right, and we go
we can figure out, we can find a way through this.
We figure out a way to think about this. It's
(07:29):
big for me figure out a way to think about this,
And I'm going, what what is this compulsion about? It's
about no pain, It's about I can figure out a
way to think about the soul experisonal pain, so I
won't have to have the bad feeling. And it's like
it's like you don't even remember anymore the possibility that
having the feeling is survivable. Yeah, like and I'm still
(07:50):
not convinced it is. And so it's it's like a
cartoon character with dollar signs in the eyes. It's like, wait,
I got an idea, I can have it all. Yeah yeah,
or even it becomes the mushrooms the whole time thing
of like oh my god. Yeah. But the avoiding pain,
you know, we all do it, but there's also a
clarity that comes with like the rawness of just pain
(08:13):
that actually clarity is not the word, just the to
be refined by the fires of suffering, as James Hollis
would say, m hmm. But speaking of young, of course,
well that's you can't I get around it. I mean
that's and yeah yeah yeah, yeah, I know, I know,
I know young, I know yeah yeah yeah yeah I know.
(08:34):
And then like it's like a sneak, like I'm gonna sneak.
I'm gonna sneak around the pain. Yeah yeah, but wait
where were you there was something? Oh the soul in
silence retreat. I think the harder part would be to
me losing thoughts, like to not be able to journal.
If I was able to journal, then conversation with myself
(08:58):
all day fine, right, But the no journey, being unallowed
to capture thoughts terrifies me, and therein lies the ultimate medicine. Probably,
well for sure, Oh god. Well, I mean I've been
on my own retreat in the sense that I'm clocking
in now over a month of essentially no social media
(09:22):
at all, and I say, you know, I never So
this is the hell of the times, right when you
talk about like I'm trying to be on my phunt
like it's like it's instantly it feels embarrassing, and like, yes,
we all know, like we're all trying. You know, the
phones are bad, and I know I've talked about some
people that makes me sick or it just makes me
self conscious instantly. But I am clocking in over a
month in a different way, and I think I might
(09:43):
actually never go back this time. And when I say
never go back, I'm still gonna have social media accounts.
You know. I logged on to post something I had
to post, but I got out and I actually think
I used to still have the anxiety of missing things
on there, you know, a couple of those some social
interactions that you know, you meet someone on there that
you like their work, and the next thing you know,
(10:05):
you're at dinner and it's a lifelong friend, you know
something like that. Yes, yeah, and I'm over that now
and I'm like, oh, I'm actually willing to sacrifice whatever
could have been on there. Yes, well, it's it's like
this thing that my mother would say to me, and
I'm pretty sure my aunt would also say to my
um cousin, and therefore I think it came from the grandmother.
(10:26):
But it was just like any time there was a
thing that you might be going to and then like
deciding you weren't going to be going to it. It
was like, but your husband could be there, you could
meet your husband there, and terror terror, you run off
to the to the whatever the potluck. Yeah, that that's
(10:50):
really funny. And you can hear me even I'm being
in articulate and kind of fumbling here because I do
feel exhausted with my own um pontification on this matter
over the poogears. But I swear to God, it's different
this time. And I think I think I'm just because honestly,
and I'll say it's something that used to bump me out.
Was I miss reading the poog going into the poog
(11:10):
d M and have send beautiful messages and it's encouraging
or it's nice to check in with, but I ultimately
can't still send them. But I ultimately just can't erase
myself every day through interacting with Instagram. Yeah, um and
talking about avoiding pain, talk about avoiding pain. The phone
(11:32):
stuff is might as well be a bottle of gin
for a fucking syringe filled with heroin. It's like, actually
it's a response. He started with syringeful of heroin, which
is like what I should have heard. And I heard
syringeful of hair and I was like vile. I was like, yeah,
that sounds horrible. Um, well, I have these fantasies of
(11:57):
clearing my phone of everything but healing apps, okay, and
and nutrients. So like I opened it up and it's like,
because I do this sometimes I open up the phone
and I go, wait, what's the good stuff on here?
Like I'm like, okay, books, right, and I opened the
books app. It's like, what if my phone wasn't just
(12:21):
a literal black hole? Right that I carry with me
to siphon my own energy out of myself. Yeah. Oh,
I keep this with me because I can't hold my
entire soul's energy in my body because I'm too afraid
of the light I carry. No, So I keep this
(12:41):
just to sort of be able to piss in a
bag spiritually. Yeah. No more, it's an emergency. Um, had
an interesting dinner with you at Jar. Lovely dinner with
you at Jar. Oh yeah, let's talk about that. So
to my excitement, instead of Jack, I'm going to be
in your area, let's go to Jar. Got the reservation,
(13:03):
so okay, here's the detail. I didn't tell you. The
reservation was early. It was I think six o'clock. Around
five thirty. I got a call from Jar. I saw
my phone lighting up its jar, and I answered, they go, Hi,
we just wanted to confirm your reservation. Very unusual to
confirm a reservation half an hour before, you know what
I mean? Like us, So in my mind the morning,
they want to make sure we're coming, so they get
the cake ready or whatever. Like in my mind, like
(13:26):
I was like, they want to make sure we're really
coming before they get the champagne tower together. I picked
Jacqueline up. We get to Jar. Wait we checked yea,
pick me up. I'm in a I'm in a blue
blaze amazing Yeah, and a special brooch. Yeah, you look
(13:46):
really polished. I'm not polished, but I'm I'm kind of
accepting that and loving that. And then we arrived there.
I searched slowing us down and slowing us. So I
want to give more of set up. I said to Chris,
I got a shower and I got to wear something
good for quote our big night at Jar. Yeah, I go,
(14:11):
they know we're coming. I mean you you have tested
you know with the chef, had a lovely interaction all
of that. I was like, Joquin and I are coming.
She got blessed her with out of town. I was like, okay,
well she knows that we're coming. I was like, they
the bell has been wrong at JAR headquarters and we're
(14:34):
coming in. So you pick me up. I love getting
into your car. I gave you a gift. You can
get to the la. Oh yeah, she sure did. But
then we um we get there check in. I searched
the host's eyes upon check in for something, and then
(14:56):
because the observation whatever, we got to our table. So
so I will say this, I I wasn't really expecting anything.
I mean, I mean, in one sense, okay, yeah, no,
you know what it was. I was almost more convinced
that like, like it was gonna be full of of hags. Okay,
(15:18):
Oh well, that's what was funny is that Jack and
I we haven't been a jar together in a long time.
And so every table of like youngish women, like anyone
that like, I looked at them being like, while they're here.
Because of Pook and even I had a couple of
trips to the bathroom where I felt I was like hello,
like I was almost searching the faces of some of
(15:39):
the patriots, like my eyes were roving at the bar.
I was like, I was like, oh, I feel like
I feel like I better turned my head for the
natural the natural human response of if someone walks by you,
you just look at them, right. So I took the
natural human response of anyone looking at me as I,
you know, wished past them as a kind of silent
(16:01):
kind of a silent understanding that we're all here kind
of okay. On the way to the bathroom, I go,
I think I wished a little too fast. Try to
slow it down. On the return to give him a
chance to confirm that, in fact, it was it was
it was it was me. I got I got Kate
the you know, because we joked about I've never been
recognized for poog. Okay, it's not, by the way. I'll
(16:24):
just say the other day someone was like, oh, I
wasn't sure if you were Jacqueline or Kate. That's so funny,
Like I thought it was Jockolin, but it's you. When
the second they heard their voice, I mean your voice,
I don't know. They just they came up and they're like, oh,
I thought maybe it was Jacqueline. Um, okay, wait, so
keep going. I love that we're slowing it down. Well,
(16:45):
I always want to slow it down. Um. So I
think I was so I'd forgotten kind of the the
poog element, okay, because I was so excited to being
your company and excited for dinner and whatever that it act.
That's kind of what happened. That's why I was like,
because I didn't feel this intense, like I wasn't already
scanning for whatever. I was really kind of bubbling over
(17:05):
with excitement. So I kept forgetting, but you kept remembering
that we have a podcast. Called pood when we talking
about Jar Is that what you mean? Yes, Like, so
I mean wondering whether everyone's in on the joke or
no one's in on the joke is one of the
strangest places to live the joke, playing our presence like
(17:28):
the joke being like we all know us and this
restaurant is all the time, right. Yeah, So like when
I I felt like I was performing a little bit
for the waiter like, oh something, Oh well, I said something.
Actually I can't move, I said, this was so embarrassing.
So really this is actually really dick Lessey. So we're there,
(17:49):
this this server who I who we have not had before,
is talking about the specials or a couple of specials
things we've had that, you know, a couple of little
add ons menu, Oh we know that. And then I
even did a whole thing of on the menu. I
was like, oh, well, there's actually a huge news and
this does need to this actually has to go straight
to Jark corporate. A hag didn't form and it is
(18:11):
in fact true. The leechy teeny has gone off the menu.
I repeat, the leechy ten he's off the menu. So
I came in with that information noticed his absence on
the cocktail menu was devastated. He was like, yeah, no,
it's gone. Like maybe we'd be back, but like it's
off the menu. And then I'm looking at the main
menu and there's a burger on there, and I go,
have I lost my mind? Or is there never? Is
there always a burger on the menu. I've never seen that,
(18:32):
And he was like, oh, yeah, that can come on
and off, and I went something something oh. And then
then I said, we know the chef. I may have
even said Susanne. I think I said, do you know Susanne?
To be clear, who has this chef? I was like, well,
we know who's Anne? Okay, I never mat her, just
some texts, some lovely texts. I threw that in his face, unfazed,
(18:55):
and I go, okay, this is gave us nothing. And
so in my mind also I'm like, he is so
star struck. He can't youven imagine that it's us. So
we take a long time with the menu. We put
it in an order. You know, the meal was gorgeous.
Of course, the food was great. Were there wait what
(19:16):
what did I forget? Okay? So so one, first of all,
you doing this this sort of performance of one the
Lachi Martine has gone why I'm asking why and him
him saying, sometimes we change it up. Okay, Yeah, I
(19:36):
actually had a moment, this was my derangement where I thought,
did they take it off because they want to be
a step ahead, Like we've talked about the Lachi Martini
so much that now it's like it no not flying
on the shelves, like almost like okay, now that that's
like a thing and everyone's asking for it, we have
to we have to abandon it. You can't just play
(19:58):
the hits. That's so funn because I just have I
just had the fantasy of the leech tena that had
to take off because everyone was listening to Poop coming
and ordering it, and they were like, we can't. The
supply chain is, of course, as we know, open fractured
and they can't keep up with the supply and only
the demand. Yet again next next, the burger thing was
(20:19):
fascinating to me because it was like, I don't know
where you offended by its presence, like like this is no.
I was excited. I was shocked because okay, cheeseburger is
one of my favorite foods, and so the thought because
when I go to dry get a steak, but it's
like I just couldn't imagine that I had ever my
eyes had ever seen Burger on that menu, Like, how
could I have forgotten? I did get the pot roast
(20:39):
on this night and it was delicious, but continue, which
we both got last time, it was delicious, So I
had a moment now that this is like pristine. So
so we had loved the tomato onion salad the heirlooms
last time we were there. Of course, tomato is my favorite,
one of my favorite things in the world. Take it
in any form. This is like primo you to me. Okay.
(21:05):
So I'm like, but I'm thinking about the tomato salad
and and You're like, oh, I just I'm always shocked
to see it a tomato salad on them menu in November,
I mean when tomatoes are out of season. Yeah, right right.
And I'm humiliated, okay obviously because I'm tomato al ear.
(21:25):
Whether it's red as a chair, you're white as a
web browser. Okay, never forgot when Kate identified a tomatoes
what white is web browser? Okay? It holds imagine that
nerve food review how cruel. So so I'm like arguing,
(21:51):
what can I just want? I'm interjecting with because I
described again to insult the chef at that restaurant in Scotland,
I described the tomato as being white as a web browser.
And then I was reading a really vicious takedown of
a play in the New York Times and this person
was crucifying this one production in a way that I
was like really, but it was like, you know, of course,
(22:13):
like certain things like this actor is amazing, whatever, but
like crucifying the production design and everything. And they go
something something the lighting design by full name no would
make a rat clap. Okay, see this is this is
a problem. And I was like that journalism, I mean
(22:36):
that is okay, that is maybe laugh out loud, I
screen crapped. I was like, that is so that like
the anger and that which I almost thought, what is
that like a theater phrase that I've never heard because
I don't know the world of theater, like it would
make a rat clap? That's made me laugh. Let take
(22:56):
a second with this before we return to meals. So
what I find so devastating on that is it is
there is an art. There is this person has an
ability with words with imagery with wit. Okay, and there
I'm sorry they're using it in service of taking down
another piece of art, when when someone who's able to
(23:19):
come up with would make a rap clap should hang
it up and go make a play. I just I
know criticis okay, I know, but I also don't know.
I also think it's wrong. Yeah, I hear you. Well,
(23:50):
let's continue back to the meal. Okay, um, so tomatoes
around a season. Yeah, so I start defending my honor, going, okay,
I mean, but of course I assume that a restaurant
like this, and I said, that's all the men they're
not going to serve it. If it's on the menu,
then they've got the tomatoes somehow, and they're they're doing it.
I started arguing that maybe they had like, um, climate
(24:11):
controlled like tomato factory back Yeah. Yeah, so I'm struggling
with wanting it the whole thing. And then I even
like as though the waiter would be ashamed for me
if I ordered something that's on the menu. I felt
the need to ask him, so tomatoes. In November, it
was as if how quickly, okay, the student stole the
(24:34):
countenance of the teacher. You how quickly. This is this
is how people hurt each other. Right. I felt ashamed
for thinking it was safe to order a tomato in November,
and I turned to the waiter and go, I will no,
I will sense with shame you for having it on
the menu, while hoping that he convinces me that I
can still get it whatever, And he does. We put
together in order. We're a little worried it's not enough food.
(24:57):
And you say, what did I say? What did I say?
Can I say I don't know? Yeah? Yeah, I say
I don't remember. Okay, okay. And then you're like, it's
an actress meal. It's an actress's meal. I'm sorry I
forgot about it's an actress's order. I wasn't like starving either,
That's the thing. My appetite was like. I was like,
(25:18):
I don't know how much I can even eat tonight.
Yeah yeah, well then also, you know what I thought?
What I can't remember even say this to Jacqueline. In
my mind went, they're going to send an app or two.
Oh wow. In my mind, I go, let's put this
order in. They're gonna send over and app. I think
it wasn't just in your mind. I think I recall
you saying, well, desserts coming. Yeah. I was like, I
(25:41):
was like, they're gonna get a tower, yeah, a profideral
on this table. Yeah. So then we eat the meal.
It's great, as always delicious, and then eventually it's checked time.
We're anticipating the check being dropped. We started talking about now,
(26:03):
we started talking about I was shocked, okay that you
thought there would be anything. Okay, you weren't shocked. You
didn't know. I was hoping. Yeah, I was hoping when
you're like round of drinks, you know, like I was.
I was like, our drinks aren't going to be on
that bill. I think your thought was like they were
(26:25):
playing it cool the whole meal, right, because we're kind
of going like, I don't know if this waiter that's
what's happening here. I don't think he's been informed. Yeah.
I was starting around the restaurant waiting for the customers
to perhaps inform form the staff. So we've been let
down by by all, well the dessert, because we didn't
(26:46):
order dessert. We're like, oh, the meal was amazing, we're full,
too full for dessert. I thought maybe here comes a
slice of cake on the plate and written in hot fudge,
we love you poo or something. I wouldn't that would
have been amazing, but I wouldn't have been shocked. I
would be like, yeah, I thought we were going to
(27:08):
get something like that. So the dessert never arrives, okay.
So then I in my mind, I go, well, drinks
are off probably, And I did feel because I've there's
such a gannut. Okay. There are places that you go
every night for two years and you never see a
free drink, You never see a friendly smile, right, so
(27:30):
you just you just never know. And I felt I
had to lower your expectations because you know, lower expectations
it doesn't hurt if if then you know, if the
if the dessert's coming, it'll come and maybe it'll be
even more exciting. So but I was like, I don't
think it's happening, and you were like no, you were like,
nowhere you see it's not something. You're like nothing. I'm like,
(27:52):
I'm not convinced anything has been clocked here tonight. I
was like, I think this is a lovely meal at
a great restaurant and that's all it is. Yeah, which
is a lot, which is you know, lovely, middle, great restaurant.
But so I'm I think to myself, and I'm embarrassed
(28:13):
to say. I think, oh, yeah, the drinks are coming
off this tab. And then I think to myself and
this is really this is where I feel embarrassed. I
thought there was a chance the waiter was gonna come
and say, your meal has been taken care of. It's
(28:34):
going to lean forward. I pictured him, hands behind the back,
nod your money is no good here. I thought, we're
gonna get that money. And I thought like, well, that
would be like really over the top, right, But I thought,
who knows? So the checks dropped. I grab it feverishly.
(28:55):
I scan, I scan every item accounted for. Now what
if what if there had been just regular old check
and a little heart okay, and it said love Poog
would have gone a long way? We love Poog would
have gone a long way? Yeah, Now do you think?
And again, this is more fantasies where people know who
(29:17):
we are and the whole thing. It's a secondary layer
because I was just fantasizing about, you know, two pooh
hags at dinner that night, seeing us march into jar,
seeing us looking around expectantly, seeing us not befitted yeah. So,
I mean I had a great night, wonderful evening, and
(29:39):
then we were dying. We were cackling or cockling on
the street because of our are what's it called grandeur
or delusions of grandeur. Yeah. Well then I start to
I mean, I'm starting to go, well, maybe maybe these
people posting, you know, at jar and the whole thing like,
maybe this is more. This has happened twice, and in
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our minds, it's like the place is overflowing with listeners
who come in saying, you know, Poog sent me whatever.
We're here, we're here for a Poog night, and it's
actually like only a couple. But I don't know. I
don't know. I don't know. I don't, I don't. I
mean then heading is no go. No. It's because I
had a fantasy of of the chef texting the general
(30:26):
manager tonight that make sure to you know, whatever whatever
we want to send them, and the phone she fell
asleep with the phone in her hand and the text
was unset and she's like in Marrakech and the phone
falls onto the hotel force. You think this is no
human heir not been racking my brain about what happened.
(30:47):
Something to have happened, and I'll say this, Jacqueline, you
and I both were like, do we even talk about
this on poo because the last thing we want because
we have no anger, We have no but we well listen,
I'll be back in a couple of months springtime at
Yeah sounds great. Well we all no, I didn Yeah,
(31:11):
I certainly didn't want to come off you know whatever.
I think. Next time we go in, we go in
like monks, we go in, humbly, we go in. I mean,
that's that's the medicine we needed. It wasn't it really
was the word the name of our podcast written in
fudge or written in the blood of our check. Okay,
it's to be reminded. Well, first of all, on principle,
(31:36):
there's nothing uglier in the world, right then doing something
that someone didn't ask for and then expecting something in return. Right,
So to march into jar like hello, when they might
be like, we never asked for your promotion. We don't
require your promotion. If anything, the people who have come
(31:57):
here as a result of listening to your podcast have
been some of the most people stopped mentioning it. Yeah,
(32:24):
somebody recommended for me, some throat soothing tea, and they
were like this needs to drink this when you're doing
your show. And honey, don't come in here with a
throat coat. Okay. And I have a huge tea announcement,
which is that a friend was telling me about how
tea in the bags, classic boxed, shelf stable tea is
like garbage like that, it's literally mold and dust to
quote her, like, we cannot be ingesting it. The tea
(32:45):
industry is like sho ruled by exploitation in Hell. It's
like the darkest industry. And so there's a company called
Rare Tea, Rare Tea Company, and I just want to
give them a little plug because they're you know, ethical,
The teas are great. So it's all about the whole
leaf tea for two three and it's totally affordable, talking
(33:07):
about a gorgeous tin of tea for you know, I
mean it's more expensive than a box, but ten bucks
maybe for like a loose baby loose. So you got
to get a steeper in the whole thing. You gotta
get a steeper in the whole thing. But let me
tell you the other night I had because I ordered
some of their peppermint or spearmint tea. I had it,
(33:27):
and this was I was going to say. Some Poog
listeners sent us the sweetest little baby teapot for loose
leaf straining. Do you recall? I do not? You got it?
This is the early Pooh, this is your anchor. This
is the early days of Poog. And I think you
who never sent that? And I used that little darling
teapot to to strain and it was and it was
(33:50):
just And then here I was and this was very
morning's could be huge. I was like, loose leaf huge,
this is the routine. I'll do this till my deep
into my nineties. And having a little moment with myself,
I was writing in my journal, drinking loosely t you
can you imagine? Wow? I mean it was unreal. It
was we got we gotta get over the bags classic
(34:12):
celestial seasonings. Yeah. Stuff. Well, there's something about like pulling,
like what is t right? Like you're using boiling water
to pull the essence right potently out of something and
if those items are dust and mold and wood shavings
(34:32):
and cardboard from you know, I mean, can you imagine
like how easy it would be to just oh, we
didn't get the shipment. Let's drop in some sea. Finally
ground paper. But why is the bag the problem? Okay,
if it depends if you're not mortar and pestling it. Right,
there's I don't know enough to speak on the subject,
(34:54):
and therefore I will extensively. But I think that I mean,
of course, you know there was this you started to
see this, the upscale tea bag, right, which is plastic
like a net, so that releases literally like an orcas
amount of plastic like into your mouth. It's like you
are having You're not having tea, you're having plastic like
(35:15):
you're having having the event. Well this also made me
go really spin out. So hey, everyone, you go to
Starbucks or whatever. They pour your hot hot water into
the bp A lined cup and then you have the
plastic top, so you're steeping, you're having and then that
that hot water is just absorbing, absorbing the b p
A all of it. You're running it through the top
(35:37):
of a little mouth spicket of plastic, and you're just
really imbibing a cup of toxins. Right there, I think
I really have to start decanting. My factor meals out
of the plastic that it's b p A free and
the whole thing. But you gotta cave, but I gotta
get it. I have been on a hunt for because
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I still want the kind of tea be meal experience.
I enjoy the sections. It's very fun TV dinner kind
of thing, like an you ever had that as a child,
Like if you ever had like my parents said, wait
watchers for a while, and I remember the cuisines and
I'd be like, please kind of have a Swedish meat
balin cuisine and I remember that well, and those like
(36:22):
it's so weird. They're they're like like, so first I
think that's a plastic tin with plastic cover, and it's
supposed to go on the goddamn oven. I mean not
even just the microwave. It's like it's like grilling in there. Yeah. Um,
but I'm looking for something I can easily because it
has to be microwaved. I'm not taking it to the pan.
(36:43):
That's not the point here. Three minutes, okay, and I
bless the microwave. Okay. I remember this woman in a
like crystal shop in New York East West Books. Um,
she was selling young living oils as a side sort
of It's a young living oils is like essential oils.
But they I think there's a multi level marketing element
(37:07):
where you can have a suitcase okay full of these
oils and you can sell them. Okay, there's at very
least you can order a suitcase and sell it. So
she was kind of, I think, selling it sort of
half out of the store or something. And one of
them was black pepper, and these were there were the
food grade ones, you know, and she said that if
you dropped this particular black pepper essence whatever in to
(37:30):
like lesser food, it would raise the vibration of the
of all the food. Oh yeah, totally now that that's
ap peeling. I love that. The uh telling me how
she was, she like had a hair someone who was
like a hair stylist was like peddling a lot of
oli Plex. It was like old plex, old plex, alplex
(37:52):
are the best, right, and that he was like, you
can even use this as a There was a hair
mask and he's like you can use as a face mask.
He's like, you can just put on your face, let
it set for twenty minutes. And she was like mm hmm.
Just that level of being so in with the product.
But that's oli Plex, though, I feel like there are
a lot of places that are like oli Plex salons
(38:15):
where I've been like, Okay, is it just that good
or or are they running yeah tras possibly like is
this an intense campaign where they're just paying salons and yeah,
I don't know product and whatever to become And we'll
take a box of Oli Plex. Let me tell you
(38:36):
I like the hair oil and I have purchased it myself. Um,
and then I'm gonna do a hard left turn into acupuncture.
I a dear friend, as you would say, very sweetly,
gave me a session with this unbelievable body worker a
couple of days ago, a friend that sent you the
(38:56):
pie on Thanksgiving. Who no, no, no, If it's okay,
I was gonna say, this friend is doing too much. Okay, listen,
I get there on the table. This guy is unbelievable.
He immediately starts pressing and going, oh, yeah, you're right
hip here giving me that structural understanding things. He's like, also,
who knows about Chinese medicine? Stick out your tongue, He's like,
(39:18):
he looks at my tongue. He goes, oh, you're like
in a lot of emotional distress right now, aren't you?
I was like yeah. And then he's like, we're gonna
do emotional stuff on you today. I was like great.
He starts, he puts needles, he starts massaging this little
point on my foot hurts so badly in this way
that I can't even fathom. He sticks a needle, boom
boom each foot, boom boom, each shin my stomach, my hands,
(39:42):
the needles are in there. I'm doing deep breathing. He's
massaging my head. I start weeping on the table. It
was yeah, yeah, oh yeah, baby. I start weeping on
the table and now kept me in. Now, kept me in. Now.
He's like really sweet, He's like let it go, and
I'm like weeping. And then somehow just kind of eventually
it stops. My tears are getting us hand. He's massaging
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in my head. What just tears or is there? At
first no no other sounds. At first, that just was
a steady stream of hot tears. And then I kind
of thing, yeah, yeah, fully amazing, and I felt just
fine with it, like I'm not holding back. I'm just
kind of like yeah, I mean, I wasn't going uh
you know, but I was. I was crying, okay. And
(40:25):
then somehow it kind of stops so key point. Before
he put the needles in, he was kind of testing
my flexibility. He was like, oh, wow, see I can
barely get this leg here this He presses on this
part of my stern um and I'm like, wow, that's
really tender there. He's doing this old tender spots on
my neck. How that hurts. He brings the needles out. Suddenly, honey,
I am flexible. My leg that twenty minutes ago couldn't
(40:47):
go here, it's going there. He presses on the place
on my stern um that was really tender before pain.
He presses on the place on my foot that was
really hurting a second ago. The fucking pain is gone.
Did he go, Let's see how the sternum feels now? Know?
Oh well he goes he well, yeah. Like afterwards, he
pressed on the spot. How does that feel now? And
I was like, wow, now that's fine. He I mean
(41:08):
it was. He was like, you're gonna be really tired later.
Don't eat any raw food, eat like warming foods. M h.
I sat up, drink some broth instantly, and woe felt
the release and that passed out dead asleep at like
eight thirty, I couldn't stay awake, slept, woke up the
(41:28):
next morning, eyes open around seven thirty eight am, steady
steam of tears from like eight to twelve thirty. I
texted you. I was like, this is crazy. I'm just
like crying, crying, crying, crying. He texted me, he was like,
how are you. I was like, well, I slept really well.
My body feels great, but I can't stop crying. And
he was like, yep, totally like do some squats, do
some breathing. But this guy, this guy, and I'm going
(41:52):
to New York and I'm like, I need to do
weekly acupuncture. I have to get back into it. Yes.
I did acupuncture for a little while for migraines like
any many years ago, but didn't commit because it was
so expensive. And I just just like, I can't do
this like every week. But I'm feeling like I gotta
once that time you did accupunction in, I've done it
once in my life. So calling all New York body
(42:12):
workers and acupulture practitioners, I wonder if there's any when
we're in New York together, if there's any treatments that
would be worth doing simultaneously and my job. The listeners
can't see my job. My eyes and mouth is widened, remembering, Ay,
we're both gonna be New York at the same time.
B I'm doing a major call out of um to everyone.
(42:33):
Of course, because I'm gonna be there for a couple
of months. I need the body work, the treatments, all
of it. We have to do a major spaw day. Yeah,
I'm in the mood for that. I'm in the mood,
you know, I keep intending to. I mean, that's the thing.
It's like, I mean, I've said a thousand times, but
just you know, oh, you know, in crisis, then you
try to start the meditation practice. It's like, I know,
(42:53):
I know, no, and I'm really I'm realizing truly over
a month now, like the phone just being like not
in my life the way it's been for so long. Journaline,
the journaling is huge, I actually have to do it
is huge. And yet I resist because of meeting my
own mind. I guess, yeah, yet I am afraid to
(43:17):
be without it. So what you gotta get into journaling.
And I'm i gotta do the meditation now. I need
it now, gotta gotta gotta gotta. I mean, I guess
I don't know will we sever develop habits. I know,
I don't know if I'll ever develop a habit. It's
really guess who hasn't gas Shaw ten days? Me? Remember
(43:40):
the Gashaw changed my life? I guess who put it down? Me?
Oh wow, I gotta get back. I mean the closest
I've had is probably like my consistency with doing Tracy. Yeah,
trying to think what else I've had, But like I
just I can't, you know, start. There's a book Atomic
Habits right once again healed by a title, but it's
(44:03):
you know, making like I think, it's like making one
degree changes kind of thing, like add up big time,
you know, so it's like instead of these big changes.
Well that's the thing, because I guess what I'm also off.
I was really onto my Melissa, and I was really
committed fifteen minutes a day and then like I got
home one night and I just like like literally was like, wait,
(44:23):
is my ass like different now? Like somebody? I was
like the fifteen minutes a day every day, that's like
hours a week, you know, doing the math, and I
was like wait what? And then I had to stop
because I was getting from the planks. I think I
was getting this pain in my chest. I pulled some
muscles and I had to stop, but I got to
get back on. But yeah, but I was doing I stopped,
(44:45):
it stopped. Yeah, I mean the implementation of that which
we know we need to do in the refusal and
then and then I know that's it. It's really hard.
It's it's absolutely hard to do anything. But I also
I want to just throw in because this the listeners
might remember, I was watching I was going to the
(45:07):
Kardashian's the last couple of months, dipping in and out
and becoming very consumed. Also, I went on the Skims website,
got the bras. I'm loving the bras. Okay, oh my god. Yeah,
huge news. But then I bought I couldn't resist. I'm
not I'm not proud of Black Friday sale. I bought
these sweatpants. He's like Teddy Bear. I was like, these
are gonna be so cozy in New York and the skies. Yeah,
(45:28):
they're like Teddy Bear brown, They're insane. I put them
on there. First of all, there made for someone who's
six four, Like, there's so much fabric at the bottom.
It's erie and they look, I'll be honest, awful, it's
just crazy, like they look I don't know what. I
gotta put them back on. But I put them on
last night, like oh, and I was like, well, I'll
(45:49):
wear these in the home. But right, they look like
they were made by someone who works at a carnival.
Look like what why by a bear? But what I
actually meant was I was going to say by a
carnival bear, and I was like, I'm not gonna say that,
like a like a nice teddy Bear made them. Yeah,
So it's like where you're like, I wish I had
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that sweet this was made of the Teddy Bear itself.
This is lesser than the Teddy Bear. But wait, did
you only get the pants? No? I got the pants.
And there's a couple of bras in there that haven't
tried because the one I love. No, No, they're just
like regular bras. See, I feel like those Teddy Bear
and I could have this wrong, but those lounge sets
that I've seen in them, it only looks good if
(46:30):
you're a full Teddy Bear. Yeah bear pants and sure,
I mean do anything, You're right, You're right, No, I
almost I got to post a picture on the Pook Instagram. Yeah,
because these pants are like there, it's just comical, how
like badly look on me? I don't know, it's just anyway,
it's we're like two weeks out of Christmas. Can you
believe this? Me alone on Christmas and New York? You're
(46:52):
never alone if you're in New York. It's gonna be hard. Well,
I agree, and we're gonna work on that. We're gonna
figure that out. I started googling like Christmas cocktail recipes
and then also Christmas mocktail recipes, like because like I
can't like add something to Christmas Eve that doesn't account
for like the non drinkers. Do you know what I mean?
(47:14):
Like doing a fun thing this year and it's like
only for for myself. But then you go, what is
you know that's exciting to drink? What? I love a
Pim's cup and you can do a virgin Pim's cup
of what is Pim's cup again? I forgot already forgetting
it was it was one of those things where I
was having Pims cup one Christmas. I was completely obsessed
(47:36):
with Pim's cup. So what it is is Pims liquor,
lemon juice, ginger it's really just pims lemon juice, ginger,
and then you do a cucumber slice, mint lemon wheel
and orange wheel put on ice. And what's great is
that it's a pitch or cocktail, so you can make
it for a group. It's great because I remember one
Christmas the other thing for everyone. You once had a
(47:59):
party fifteen years ago and I think there were two
punch bowls, and yes, it was so fucking cool. So
I started looking at Christmas punched too. But I'm trying
to like, because I love to me the mocktail or
to even use that word, isn't even what I want,
like a fun Christmas drink. It's like it shouldn't be
like mimicking the cocktail. It has to be good on someone, like,
(48:21):
for example, like a mold cider is just delicious, right,
like a hot mold like apple cider. I don't even
know mold is, but you know what I mean, Like
kind of like that one. I have a Thanksgiving with
the cranberry and the clove and cinnamon sticks and the
whole thing. So I'm like, that is an option. I'm
imagining this like basically, Okay, a couple of things. One eggnog.
I love it. I'm one of the sticks. But I
(48:44):
can't get the eggnog latte. Whoa, I'd get it at Starbucks,
Like one eggnog latte for me, please, Like, and it's
used to get the white chocolate mocha at Starbucks after school.
This child m M got Chantico right, no, Shantica. Starbucks
(49:06):
had a thing and I used to drink this in
high school and like I think it was the ninth grade.
They had a drinking chocolate called Shantico or Fantica and
it was like a little it was like an espresso,
but it was fucking chocolate. Maybe it's one of the
totato It is like a little thing. And it was Dents.
It was like the dentist hot chocolate. What's that company?
In New York they always have the you know those
(49:29):
the market holiday markets in New York. God strolling through those,
the one in Columbus Circle, the one in like um
Bryant Park. You know, honestly, you already know. This is
actually my first Christmas in New York City? Can you
believe that? Okay, that'll yeah, maybe we'll go together because
it's really fun. Even though I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna obsess and try to lock you down. But yeah, no, yeah,
(49:52):
and you know you go, you get um the one
that would go into Columbus Circle at these huge gingerbread cookies,
gingerbread men and women and and get that just like
calling them men and women that like like it. Just
(50:14):
want me to say Gingerman or whatever. Never heard. I
think they add a skirt. You know, it's very much
you know that sense. But and then hot cider, and
then you're gonna have to offline. I'm gonna have to
do low stress here because I want to stress you out,
but I don't have to do some offline Christmas talk
with you. I know you're already thinking about me with
love for Christmas hugely. I know, I know, And there's
(50:37):
factors in motion. Okay, it's what we'll do it. We'll
do it offline and we'll have to celebrate Christmas in
some way with the with the show as we did
we did Alive. You'll recall when I was in California,
we did a Christmas drink or whatever we did ranch
writers on christ I was sobbing. No I had been
because I had to stay in California. Of course, pandemic. Hell. Yes,
(51:02):
of course I remember the ranch Writer Christmas. Yeah, and
I haven't heard from them in a while, but I
know I'm on their list. And I drank a couple
of ranch Writers last night. I took a four pack
of ranch Writer to John's house. Did he like them?
Did he try it? Had he tried? He's had a few?
You know what flavor? This was just a four pack
of the vodka the Chilton, Yeah, I think. So what
(51:25):
color was it? I'm sorry, pale, like a very pale color.
It's a color I don't even know. Yeah, I think
I think I know the one, the Hallapeno tequila one
is a fave. I think I like the Paloma and
I like the tequila ones. Well, here's an ad for
ranch Writer. So they and they have them very generous
(51:45):
to us, and we hope that continues in the new year.
Tequila ones are my favorite, despite loving vodka in other contexts.
I want to say, and I think the next episode
of Poog we should do. I think it will be
really fun to do a bit of a Christmas roundup
wish list stuff. So I'm actually gonna save it, going
to tease that for the next episode and jacquelins frozen
for me. Well, I thought she was doing a loaded
(52:08):
inhale and pause before speaking, but she's just frozen. And
now of course wondering is she talking? Am I frozen
for her? Am I hearing the abyss? I think I'm
hearing the abyss alone. Okay, Jacklin just texting. My computer
just died, so in a shocking twist of events, I'm
(52:28):
going to have to end this, end this episode alone.
Thanks for listening. In case she doesn't come back, I'll
just say good night, good day, good night. That was pood.
If you enjoyed Pooh, please subscribe, rate, and review. If not,
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we will press charges
Hi, I'm caper Land. I'm Jacqueline Novak, and this is poog,
an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends too
untamable intellects. This is ourb this is our hell, this
is our naked desire for free products. This is today's topic.
Loosely speaking, a bumper, a coaster, a title, Hello him.
(00:32):
When you sigh like that, do you get a response
from others like what's wrong or anything like that? Uh?
I mean obviously I'm asking because I do. Yeah, like
I'm trying to think of the wrong side like that.
I've got plenty wrong, but right I always feel like, no,
(00:55):
that's the first time I breathed in five minutes. You
should be applauding me. I was suffering in the five
minutes before the side. Yeah, I don't know if I'm
from a big sire. Um. Good morning, Uh, good morning.
It's good. In a couple of weeks, which is funny.
We last spoke the day after Thanksgiving, I believe, I mean,
(01:18):
you and I of course have spoken offline. But tons
tons tons. I felt bad for the listeners at times,
you know, almost like god, they'd love this. Yeah, I
know they eat this up um. It's really interesting when
you're crying, like crying, where did the tears come from? Well,
(01:41):
that's the question. And how do they never end? Well,
I told you the other day, drink water, right, I
mean that's water. So you're losing watery, Yeah, you gotta be.
It's I did yesterday drink a big L M N
T element electrolyte drink, which, by the way, where are
(02:04):
they we need the powder? Okay? So but I did
drink some electrolytes for that reason. I had electrolytes yesterday.
They were Vega. You know Vega, and I read Vegas
book years ago. That's not his name, but you know,
and I've really taken with it about energy and the electrolytes.
(02:27):
It said I decided to pour some to actually it
said mid workout, and I was like, let's try it
during my tracy and it said pour into ice cold water.
Now what does that mean to you? And why do
you think that's essential? Why are they saying that? And
they were saying that in the instructions. I have no idea,
and that's very you know anti are Veda. I don't
(02:49):
understand why you'd want it to be cold. The only
thing I could think was that they don't want the
salts or whatever to dissolve. Like what I'm confused by
that we went into that elementating that we never will.
But yeah, let's reach out to them. I'm gonna say, oh,
but I had a moment that I wanted to Um,
(03:10):
I think I texted you about but I don't know,
but I was it's interesting when you're driving and crying
because you're like anyway, I was driving and crying and
I saw this bumper and pulled in front of his car,
and the bumper sticker said, take a deep breath, Comma,
you've got this baby, And to my horror, I looked
(03:32):
at it. I took a deep breath and I excelled,
and I was like, like, I actually did it and
healed by a bumper stick to my horse. Yeah, okay, No,
it's like when you were healed by Matthew McConaughey. Hey, um,
(03:53):
you know red lash and one must not be too
good for being healed by a bumber sticker, a coaster, yeah, button,
or a gift or a celebrities book. Totally, you know,
(04:15):
I've been healed by a title. I mean that's a
little ever healed by a title of a book. Don't
need to read it. Well, fear and do it anyway.
My mom used to say that to me when I
was little. It's so sweet and it made me the
woman you are today, and it maybe that's I will.
I've also been I think when I'm I'm oh, I
(04:38):
almost forgot about this. So I'm going to New York
in a few days, gonna be doing my show. I
also want to I'm sorry forgive me Jack, and but
I want to plug a poog. This is for the
poog hags. This is a discount code for Christmas Eve
and New Year's Eve shows. Yes, mac Kate, m A
c k a t E is going to get you
(04:58):
off those holidays. Oh again, that's m a c K
T all caps for the just those just the holiday shows.
But got a two o'clock and six pm. Okay, anyway,
after this run this little gift that I'm going to
give myself as I want to finally go to Seln
and big sir, Oh you're invited. Went from solo retreat
(05:20):
to you also being there. But I want to do it.
It's it's Ashram time, you know. I want like I
just want now that it's an ashram, but right, but
I think I are you at all intrigued by a
silent meditation? By by a silent retreat? Literally couldn't be more.
(05:41):
I have been waiting us at a silent retreat, like
because we will imagine the eye contact. Oh yeah, well
because at the child retreat. And this is where I struggle.
No writing, I believe some of them to well, that depends.
I think I would have to be able to write
and read. Well, let me ask you this. Are they
(06:03):
all like that? Are you? Are they all no? No?
No to write? No? That that was almost a thought
that wasn't related to the sulent thing. I I just
was because I have had friends that have gone on
silent retreats and you know, they're like, yeah, day four
is really challenging. I'm like, yeah, I can't do that.
I don't know if that's Is that what I really needed?
That the medicine I really need? Yeah, but we'll see,
(06:24):
we'll see. Um, I could do the silence with the
others And Okay, you and me are both addicted to
thinking right to figuring it out and the belief of
following the thought through and that and that it can
be figured out and I can find peace, right, and
(06:44):
then it's a sickness. Yeah, we were talking about because
I was saying you the other day about my spiritual
dollar signs in the eyes like a cartoon character. You said,
you said this, and I want you to say it
for the listeners because it was so brilliant to me.
Thank you. And we're similar and this is where we're
It's like when you have a friend that you share
a particular kind of compulsion with, Like it's kind of incredible,
(07:08):
right and you know, dangerous, Like I don't know, I
don't know's I actually think. No, I think it's I
think it's good. I think because when the other one
is in the throes of it, the second figure can
be the witness. And you know, we can, you can
play the role of witness. But like and then you
and me use our our minds, right, and we go
we can figure out, we can find a way through this.
We figure out a way to think about this. It's
(07:29):
big for me figure out a way to think about this,
And I'm going, what what is this compulsion about? It's
about no pain, It's about I can figure out a
way to think about the soul experisonal pain, so I
won't have to have the bad feeling. And it's like
it's like you don't even remember anymore the possibility that
having the feeling is survivable. Yeah, like and I'm still
(07:50):
not convinced it is. And so it's it's like a
cartoon character with dollar signs in the eyes. It's like, wait,
I got an idea, I can have it all. Yeah yeah,
or even it becomes the mushrooms the whole time thing
of like oh my god. Yeah. But the avoiding pain,
you know, we all do it, but there's also a
clarity that comes with like the rawness of just pain
(08:13):
that actually clarity is not the word, just the to
be refined by the fires of suffering, as James Hollis
would say, m hmm. But speaking of young, of course,
well that's you can't I get around it. I mean
that's and yeah yeah yeah, yeah, I know, I know,
I know young, I know yeah yeah yeah yeah I know.
(08:34):
And then like it's like a sneak, like I'm gonna sneak.
I'm gonna sneak around the pain. Yeah yeah, but wait
where were you there was something? Oh the soul in
silence retreat. I think the harder part would be to
me losing thoughts, like to not be able to journal.
If I was able to journal, then conversation with myself
(08:58):
all day fine, right, But the no journey, being unallowed
to capture thoughts terrifies me, and therein lies the ultimate medicine. Probably,
well for sure, Oh god. Well, I mean I've been
on my own retreat in the sense that I'm clocking
in now over a month of essentially no social media
(09:22):
at all, and I say, you know, I never So
this is the hell of the times, right when you
talk about like I'm trying to be on my phunt
like it's like it's instantly it feels embarrassing, and like, yes,
we all know, like we're all trying. You know, the
phones are bad, and I know I've talked about some
people that makes me sick or it just makes me
self conscious instantly. But I am clocking in over a
month in a different way, and I think I might
(09:43):
actually never go back this time. And when I say
never go back, I'm still gonna have social media accounts.
You know. I logged on to post something I had
to post, but I got out and I actually think
I used to still have the anxiety of missing things
on there, you know, a couple of those some social
interactions that you know, you meet someone on there that
you like their work, and the next thing you know,
(10:05):
you're at dinner and it's a lifelong friend, you know
something like that. Yes, yeah, and I'm over that now
and I'm like, oh, I'm actually willing to sacrifice whatever
could have been on there. Yes, well, it's it's like
this thing that my mother would say to me, and
I'm pretty sure my aunt would also say to my
um cousin, and therefore I think it came from the grandmother.
(10:26):
But it was just like any time there was a
thing that you might be going to and then like
deciding you weren't going to be going to it. It
was like, but your husband could be there, you could
meet your husband there, and terror terror, you run off
to the to the whatever the potluck. Yeah, that that's
(10:50):
really funny. And you can hear me even I'm being
in articulate and kind of fumbling here because I do
feel exhausted with my own um pontification on this matter
over the poogears. But I swear to God, it's different
this time. And I think I think I'm just because honestly,
and I'll say it's something that used to bump me out.
Was I miss reading the poog going into the poog
(11:10):
d M and have send beautiful messages and it's encouraging
or it's nice to check in with, but I ultimately
can't still send them. But I ultimately just can't erase
myself every day through interacting with Instagram. Yeah, um and
talking about avoiding pain, talk about avoiding pain. The phone
(11:32):
stuff is might as well be a bottle of gin
for a fucking syringe filled with heroin. It's like, actually
it's a response. He started with syringeful of heroin, which
is like what I should have heard. And I heard
syringeful of hair and I was like vile. I was like, yeah,
that sounds horrible. Um, well, I have these fantasies of
(11:57):
clearing my phone of everything but healing apps, okay, and
and nutrients. So like I opened it up and it's like,
because I do this sometimes I open up the phone
and I go, wait, what's the good stuff on here?
Like I'm like, okay, books, right, and I opened the
books app. It's like, what if my phone wasn't just
(12:21):
a literal black hole? Right that I carry with me
to siphon my own energy out of myself. Yeah. Oh,
I keep this with me because I can't hold my
entire soul's energy in my body because I'm too afraid
of the light I carry. No, So I keep this
(12:41):
just to sort of be able to piss in a
bag spiritually. Yeah. No more, it's an emergency. Um, had
an interesting dinner with you at Jar. Lovely dinner with
you at Jar. Oh yeah, let's talk about that. So
to my excitement, instead of Jack, I'm going to be
in your area, let's go to Jar. Got the reservation,
(13:03):
so okay, here's the detail. I didn't tell you. The
reservation was early. It was I think six o'clock. Around
five thirty. I got a call from Jar. I saw
my phone lighting up its jar, and I answered, they go, Hi,
we just wanted to confirm your reservation. Very unusual to
confirm a reservation half an hour before, you know what
I mean? Like us, So in my mind the morning,
they want to make sure we're coming, so they get
the cake ready or whatever. Like in my mind, like
(13:26):
I was like, they want to make sure we're really
coming before they get the champagne tower together. I picked
Jacqueline up. We get to Jar. Wait we checked yea,
pick me up. I'm in a I'm in a blue
blaze amazing Yeah, and a special brooch. Yeah, you look
(13:46):
really polished. I'm not polished, but I'm I'm kind of
accepting that and loving that. And then we arrived there.
I searched slowing us down and slowing us. So I
want to give more of set up. I said to Chris,
I got a shower and I got to wear something
good for quote our big night at Jar. Yeah, I go,
(14:11):
they know we're coming. I mean you you have tested
you know with the chef, had a lovely interaction all
of that. I was like, Joquin and I are coming.
She got blessed her with out of town. I was like, okay,
well she knows that we're coming. I was like, they
the bell has been wrong at JAR headquarters and we're
(14:34):
coming in. So you pick me up. I love getting
into your car. I gave you a gift. You can
get to the la. Oh yeah, she sure did. But
then we um we get there check in. I searched
the host's eyes upon check in for something, and then
(14:56):
because the observation whatever, we got to our table. So
so I will say this, I I wasn't really expecting anything.
I mean, I mean, in one sense, okay, yeah, no,
you know what it was. I was almost more convinced
that like, like it was gonna be full of of hags. Okay,
(15:18):
Oh well, that's what was funny is that Jack and
I we haven't been a jar together in a long time.
And so every table of like youngish women, like anyone
that like, I looked at them being like, while they're here.
Because of Pook and even I had a couple of
trips to the bathroom where I felt I was like hello,
like I was almost searching the faces of some of
(15:39):
the patriots, like my eyes were roving at the bar.
I was like, I was like, oh, I feel like
I feel like I better turned my head for the
natural the natural human response of if someone walks by you,
you just look at them, right. So I took the
natural human response of anyone looking at me as I,
you know, wished past them as a kind of silent
(16:01):
kind of a silent understanding that we're all here kind
of okay. On the way to the bathroom, I go,
I think I wished a little too fast. Try to
slow it down. On the return to give him a
chance to confirm that, in fact, it was it was
it was it was me. I got I got Kate
the you know, because we joked about I've never been
recognized for poog. Okay, it's not, by the way. I'll
(16:24):
just say the other day someone was like, oh, I
wasn't sure if you were Jacqueline or Kate. That's so funny,
Like I thought it was Jockolin, but it's you. When
the second they heard their voice, I mean your voice,
I don't know. They just they came up and they're like, oh,
I thought maybe it was Jacqueline. Um, okay, wait, so
keep going. I love that we're slowing it down. Well,
(16:45):
I always want to slow it down. Um. So I
think I was so I'd forgotten kind of the the
poog element, okay, because I was so excited to being
your company and excited for dinner and whatever that it act.
That's kind of what happened. That's why I was like,
because I didn't feel this intense, like I wasn't already
scanning for whatever. I was really kind of bubbling over
(17:05):
with excitement. So I kept forgetting, but you kept remembering
that we have a podcast. Called pood when we talking
about Jar Is that what you mean? Yes, Like, so
I mean wondering whether everyone's in on the joke or
no one's in on the joke is one of the
strangest places to live the joke, playing our presence like
(17:28):
the joke being like we all know us and this
restaurant is all the time, right. Yeah, So like when
I I felt like I was performing a little bit
for the waiter like, oh something, Oh well, I said something.
Actually I can't move, I said, this was so embarrassing.
So really this is actually really dick Lessey. So we're there,
(17:49):
this this server who I who we have not had before,
is talking about the specials or a couple of specials
things we've had that, you know, a couple of little
add ons menu, Oh we know that. And then I
even did a whole thing of on the menu. I
was like, oh, well, there's actually a huge news and
this does need to this actually has to go straight
to Jark corporate. A hag didn't form and it is
(18:11):
in fact true. The leechy teeny has gone off the menu.
I repeat, the leechy ten he's off the menu. So
I came in with that information noticed his absence on
the cocktail menu was devastated. He was like, yeah, no,
it's gone. Like maybe we'd be back, but like it's
off the menu. And then I'm looking at the main
menu and there's a burger on there, and I go,
have I lost my mind? Or is there never? Is
there always a burger on the menu. I've never seen that,
(18:32):
And he was like, oh, yeah, that can come on
and off, and I went something something oh. And then
then I said, we know the chef. I may have
even said Susanne. I think I said, do you know Susanne?
To be clear, who has this chef? I was like, well,
we know who's Anne? Okay, I never mat her, just
some texts, some lovely texts. I threw that in his face, unfazed,
(18:55):
and I go, okay, this is gave us nothing. And
so in my mind also I'm like, he is so
star struck. He can't youven imagine that it's us. So
we take a long time with the menu. We put
it in an order. You know, the meal was gorgeous.
Of course, the food was great. Were there wait what
(19:16):
what did I forget? Okay? So so one, first of all,
you doing this this sort of performance of one the
Lachi Martine has gone why I'm asking why and him
him saying, sometimes we change it up. Okay, Yeah, I
(19:36):
actually had a moment, this was my derangement where I thought,
did they take it off because they want to be
a step ahead, Like we've talked about the Lachi Martini
so much that now it's like it no not flying
on the shelves, like almost like okay, now that that's
like a thing and everyone's asking for it, we have
to we have to abandon it. You can't just play
(19:58):
the hits. That's so funn because I just have I
just had the fantasy of the leech tena that had
to take off because everyone was listening to Poop coming
and ordering it, and they were like, we can't. The
supply chain is, of course, as we know, open fractured
and they can't keep up with the supply and only
the demand. Yet again next next, the burger thing was
(20:19):
fascinating to me because it was like, I don't know
where you offended by its presence, like like this is no.
I was excited. I was shocked because okay, cheeseburger is
one of my favorite foods, and so the thought because
when I go to dry get a steak, but it's
like I just couldn't imagine that I had ever my
eyes had ever seen Burger on that menu, Like, how
could I have forgotten? I did get the pot roast
(20:39):
on this night and it was delicious, but continue, which
we both got last time, it was delicious, So I
had a moment now that this is like pristine. So
so we had loved the tomato onion salad the heirlooms
last time we were there. Of course, tomato is my favorite,
one of my favorite things in the world. Take it
in any form. This is like primo you to me. Okay.
(21:05):
So I'm like, but I'm thinking about the tomato salad
and and You're like, oh, I just I'm always shocked
to see it a tomato salad on them menu in November,
I mean when tomatoes are out of season. Yeah, right right.
And I'm humiliated, okay obviously because I'm tomato al ear.
(21:25):
Whether it's red as a chair, you're white as a
web browser. Okay, never forgot when Kate identified a tomatoes
what white is web browser? Okay? It holds imagine that
nerve food review how cruel. So so I'm like arguing,
(21:51):
what can I just want? I'm interjecting with because I
described again to insult the chef at that restaurant in Scotland,
I described the tomato as being white as a web browser.
And then I was reading a really vicious takedown of
a play in the New York Times and this person
was crucifying this one production in a way that I
was like really, but it was like, you know, of course,
(22:13):
like certain things like this actor is amazing, whatever, but
like crucifying the production design and everything. And they go
something something the lighting design by full name no would
make a rat clap. Okay, see this is this is
a problem. And I was like that journalism, I mean
(22:36):
that is okay, that is maybe laugh out loud, I
screen crapped. I was like, that is so that like
the anger and that which I almost thought, what is
that like a theater phrase that I've never heard because
I don't know the world of theater, like it would
make a rat clap? That's made me laugh. Let take
(22:56):
a second with this before we return to meals. So
what I find so devastating on that is it is
there is an art. There is this person has an
ability with words with imagery with wit. Okay, and there
I'm sorry they're using it in service of taking down
another piece of art, when when someone who's able to
(23:19):
come up with would make a rap clap should hang
it up and go make a play. I just I
know criticis okay, I know, but I also don't know.
I also think it's wrong. Yeah, I hear you. Well,
(23:50):
let's continue back to the meal. Okay, um, so tomatoes
around a season. Yeah, so I start defending my honor, going, okay,
I mean, but of course I assume that a restaurant
like this, and I said, that's all the men they're
not going to serve it. If it's on the menu,
then they've got the tomatoes somehow, and they're they're doing it.
I started arguing that maybe they had like, um, climate
(24:11):
controlled like tomato factory back Yeah. Yeah, so I'm struggling
with wanting it the whole thing. And then I even
like as though the waiter would be ashamed for me
if I ordered something that's on the menu. I felt
the need to ask him, so tomatoes. In November, it
was as if how quickly, okay, the student stole the
(24:34):
countenance of the teacher. You how quickly. This is this
is how people hurt each other. Right. I felt ashamed
for thinking it was safe to order a tomato in November,
and I turned to the waiter and go, I will no,
I will sense with shame you for having it on
the menu, while hoping that he convinces me that I
can still get it whatever, And he does. We put
together in order. We're a little worried it's not enough food.
(24:57):
And you say, what did I say? What did I say?
Can I say I don't know? Yeah? Yeah, I say
I don't remember. Okay, okay. And then you're like, it's
an actress meal. It's an actress's meal. I'm sorry I
forgot about it's an actress's order. I wasn't like starving either,
That's the thing. My appetite was like. I was like,
(25:18):
I don't know how much I can even eat tonight.
Yeah yeah, well then also, you know what I thought?
What I can't remember even say this to Jacqueline. In
my mind went, they're going to send an app or two.
Oh wow. In my mind, I go, let's put this
order in. They're gonna send over and app. I think
it wasn't just in your mind. I think I recall
you saying, well, desserts coming. Yeah. I was like, I
(25:41):
was like, they're gonna get a tower, yeah, a profideral
on this table. Yeah. So then we eat the meal.
It's great, as always delicious, and then eventually it's checked time.
We're anticipating the check being dropped. We started talking about now,
(26:03):
we started talking about I was shocked, okay that you
thought there would be anything. Okay, you weren't shocked. You
didn't know. I was hoping. Yeah, I was hoping when
you're like round of drinks, you know, like I was.
I was like, our drinks aren't going to be on
that bill. I think your thought was like they were
(26:25):
playing it cool the whole meal, right, because we're kind
of going like, I don't know if this waiter that's
what's happening here. I don't think he's been informed. Yeah.
I was starting around the restaurant waiting for the customers
to perhaps inform form the staff. So we've been let
down by by all, well the dessert, because we didn't
(26:46):
order dessert. We're like, oh, the meal was amazing, we're full,
too full for dessert. I thought maybe here comes a
slice of cake on the plate and written in hot fudge,
we love you poo or something. I wouldn't that would
have been amazing, but I wouldn't have been shocked. I
would be like, yeah, I thought we were going to
(27:08):
get something like that. So the dessert never arrives, okay.
So then I in my mind, I go, well, drinks
are off probably, And I did feel because I've there's
such a gannut. Okay. There are places that you go
every night for two years and you never see a
free drink, You never see a friendly smile, right, so
(27:30):
you just you just never know. And I felt I
had to lower your expectations because you know, lower expectations
it doesn't hurt if if then you know, if the
if the dessert's coming, it'll come and maybe it'll be
even more exciting. So but I was like, I don't
think it's happening, and you were like no, you were like,
nowhere you see it's not something. You're like nothing. I'm like,
(27:52):
I'm not convinced anything has been clocked here tonight. I
was like, I think this is a lovely meal at
a great restaurant and that's all it is. Yeah, which
is a lot, which is you know, lovely, middle, great restaurant.
But so I'm I think to myself, and I'm embarrassed
(28:13):
to say. I think, oh, yeah, the drinks are coming
off this tab. And then I think to myself and
this is really this is where I feel embarrassed. I
thought there was a chance the waiter was gonna come
and say, your meal has been taken care of. It's
(28:34):
going to lean forward. I pictured him, hands behind the back,
nod your money is no good here. I thought, we're
gonna get that money. And I thought like, well, that
would be like really over the top, right, But I thought,
who knows? So the checks dropped. I grab it feverishly.
(28:55):
I scan, I scan every item accounted for. Now what
if what if there had been just regular old check
and a little heart okay, and it said love Poog
would have gone a long way? We love Poog would
have gone a long way? Yeah, Now do you think?
And again, this is more fantasies where people know who
(29:17):
we are and the whole thing. It's a secondary layer
because I was just fantasizing about, you know, two pooh
hags at dinner that night, seeing us march into jar,
seeing us looking around expectantly, seeing us not befitted yeah. So,
I mean I had a great night, wonderful evening, and
(29:39):
then we were dying. We were cackling or cockling on
the street because of our are what's it called grandeur
or delusions of grandeur. Yeah. Well then I start to
I mean, I'm starting to go, well, maybe maybe these
people posting, you know, at jar and the whole thing like,
maybe this is more. This has happened twice, and in
(30:03):
our minds, it's like the place is overflowing with listeners
who come in saying, you know, Poog sent me whatever.
We're here, we're here for a Poog night, and it's
actually like only a couple. But I don't know. I
don't know. I don't know. I don't, I don't. I
mean then heading is no go. No. It's because I
had a fantasy of of the chef texting the general
(30:26):
manager tonight that make sure to you know, whatever whatever
we want to send them, and the phone she fell
asleep with the phone in her hand and the text
was unset and she's like in Marrakech and the phone
falls onto the hotel force. You think this is no
human heir not been racking my brain about what happened.
(30:47):
Something to have happened, and I'll say this, Jacqueline, you
and I both were like, do we even talk about
this on poo because the last thing we want because
we have no anger, We have no but we well listen,
I'll be back in a couple of months springtime at
Yeah sounds great. Well we all no, I didn Yeah,
(31:11):
I certainly didn't want to come off you know whatever.
I think. Next time we go in, we go in
like monks, we go in, humbly, we go in. I mean,
that's that's the medicine we needed. It wasn't it really
was the word the name of our podcast written in
fudge or written in the blood of our check. Okay,
it's to be reminded. Well, first of all, on principle,
(31:36):
there's nothing uglier in the world, right then doing something
that someone didn't ask for and then expecting something in return. Right,
So to march into jar like hello, when they might
be like, we never asked for your promotion. We don't
require your promotion. If anything, the people who have come
(31:57):
here as a result of listening to your podcast have
been some of the most people stopped mentioning it. Yeah,
(32:24):
somebody recommended for me, some throat soothing tea, and they
were like this needs to drink this when you're doing
your show. And honey, don't come in here with a
throat coat. Okay. And I have a huge tea announcement,
which is that a friend was telling me about how
tea in the bags, classic boxed, shelf stable tea is
like garbage like that, it's literally mold and dust to
quote her, like, we cannot be ingesting it. The tea
(32:45):
industry is like sho ruled by exploitation in Hell. It's
like the darkest industry. And so there's a company called
Rare Tea, Rare Tea Company, and I just want to
give them a little plug because they're you know, ethical,
The teas are great. So it's all about the whole
leaf tea for two three and it's totally affordable, talking
(33:07):
about a gorgeous tin of tea for you know, I
mean it's more expensive than a box, but ten bucks
maybe for like a loose baby loose. So you got
to get a steeper in the whole thing. You gotta
get a steeper in the whole thing. But let me
tell you the other night I had because I ordered
some of their peppermint or spearmint tea. I had it,
(33:27):
and this was I was going to say. Some Poog
listeners sent us the sweetest little baby teapot for loose
leaf straining. Do you recall? I do not? You got it?
This is the early Pooh, this is your anchor. This
is the early days of Poog. And I think you
who never sent that? And I used that little darling
teapot to to strain and it was and it was
(33:50):
just And then here I was and this was very
morning's could be huge. I was like, loose leaf huge,
this is the routine. I'll do this till my deep
into my nineties. And having a little moment with myself,
I was writing in my journal, drinking loosely t you
can you imagine? Wow? I mean it was unreal. It
was we got we gotta get over the bags classic
(34:12):
celestial seasonings. Yeah. Stuff. Well, there's something about like pulling,
like what is t right? Like you're using boiling water
to pull the essence right potently out of something and
if those items are dust and mold and wood shavings
(34:32):
and cardboard from you know, I mean, can you imagine
like how easy it would be to just oh, we
didn't get the shipment. Let's drop in some sea. Finally
ground paper. But why is the bag the problem? Okay,
if it depends if you're not mortar and pestling it. Right,
there's I don't know enough to speak on the subject,
(34:54):
and therefore I will extensively. But I think that I mean,
of course, you know there was this you started to
see this, the upscale tea bag, right, which is plastic
like a net, so that releases literally like an orcas
amount of plastic like into your mouth. It's like you
are having You're not having tea, you're having plastic like
(35:15):
you're having having the event. Well this also made me
go really spin out. So hey, everyone, you go to
Starbucks or whatever. They pour your hot hot water into
the bp A lined cup and then you have the
plastic top, so you're steeping, you're having and then that
that hot water is just absorbing, absorbing the b p
A all of it. You're running it through the top
(35:37):
of a little mouth spicket of plastic, and you're just
really imbibing a cup of toxins. Right there, I think
I really have to start decanting. My factor meals out
of the plastic that it's b p A free and
the whole thing. But you gotta cave, but I gotta
get it. I have been on a hunt for because
(35:58):
I still want the kind of tea be meal experience.
I enjoy the sections. It's very fun TV dinner kind
of thing, like an you ever had that as a child,
Like if you ever had like my parents said, wait
watchers for a while, and I remember the cuisines and
I'd be like, please kind of have a Swedish meat
balin cuisine and I remember that well, and those like
(36:22):
it's so weird. They're they're like like, so first I
think that's a plastic tin with plastic cover, and it's
supposed to go on the goddamn oven. I mean not
even just the microwave. It's like it's like grilling in there. Yeah. Um,
but I'm looking for something I can easily because it
has to be microwaved. I'm not taking it to the pan.
(36:43):
That's not the point here. Three minutes, okay, and I
bless the microwave. Okay. I remember this woman in a
like crystal shop in New York East West Books. Um,
she was selling young living oils as a side sort
of It's a young living oils is like essential oils.
But they I think there's a multi level marketing element
(37:07):
where you can have a suitcase okay full of these
oils and you can sell them. Okay, there's at very
least you can order a suitcase and sell it. So
she was kind of, I think, selling it sort of
half out of the store or something. And one of
them was black pepper, and these were there were the
food grade ones, you know, and she said that if
you dropped this particular black pepper essence whatever in to
(37:30):
like lesser food, it would raise the vibration of the
of all the food. Oh yeah, totally now that that's
ap peeling. I love that. The uh telling me how
she was, she like had a hair someone who was
like a hair stylist was like peddling a lot of
oli Plex. It was like old plex, old plex, alplex
(37:52):
are the best, right, and that he was like, you
can even use this as a There was a hair
mask and he's like you can use as a face mask.
He's like, you can just put on your face, let
it set for twenty minutes. And she was like mm hmm.
Just that level of being so in with the product.
But that's oli Plex, though, I feel like there are
a lot of places that are like oli Plex salons
(38:15):
where I've been like, Okay, is it just that good
or or are they running yeah tras possibly like is
this an intense campaign where they're just paying salons and yeah,
I don't know product and whatever to become And we'll
take a box of Oli Plex. Let me tell you
(38:36):
I like the hair oil and I have purchased it myself. Um,
and then I'm gonna do a hard left turn into acupuncture.
I a dear friend, as you would say, very sweetly,
gave me a session with this unbelievable body worker a
couple of days ago, a friend that sent you the
(38:56):
pie on Thanksgiving. Who no, no, no, If it's okay,
I was gonna say, this friend is doing too much. Okay, listen,
I get there on the table. This guy is unbelievable.
He immediately starts pressing and going, oh, yeah, you're right
hip here giving me that structural understanding things. He's like, also,
who knows about Chinese medicine? Stick out your tongue, He's like,
(39:18):
he looks at my tongue. He goes, oh, you're like
in a lot of emotional distress right now, aren't you?
I was like yeah. And then he's like, we're gonna
do emotional stuff on you today. I was like great.
He starts, he puts needles, he starts massaging this little
point on my foot hurts so badly in this way
that I can't even fathom. He sticks a needle, boom
boom each foot, boom boom, each shin my stomach, my hands,
(39:42):
the needles are in there. I'm doing deep breathing. He's
massaging my head. I start weeping on the table. It
was yeah, yeah, oh yeah, baby. I start weeping on
the table and now kept me in. Now, kept me in. Now.
He's like really sweet, He's like let it go, and
I'm like weeping. And then somehow just kind of eventually
it stops. My tears are getting us hand. He's massaging
(40:05):
in my head. What just tears or is there? At
first no no other sounds. At first, that just was
a steady stream of hot tears. And then I kind
of thing, yeah, yeah, fully amazing, and I felt just
fine with it, like I'm not holding back. I'm just
kind of like yeah, I mean, I wasn't going uh
you know, but I was. I was crying, okay. And
(40:25):
then somehow it kind of stops so key point. Before
he put the needles in, he was kind of testing
my flexibility. He was like, oh, wow, see I can
barely get this leg here this He presses on this
part of my stern um and I'm like, wow, that's
really tender there. He's doing this old tender spots on
my neck. How that hurts. He brings the needles out. Suddenly, honey,
I am flexible. My leg that twenty minutes ago couldn't
(40:47):
go here, it's going there. He presses on the place
on my stern um that was really tender before pain.
He presses on the place on my foot that was
really hurting a second ago. The fucking pain is gone.
Did he go, Let's see how the sternum feels now? Know?
Oh well he goes he well, yeah. Like afterwards, he
pressed on the spot. How does that feel now? And
I was like, wow, now that's fine. He I mean
(41:08):
it was. He was like, you're gonna be really tired later.
Don't eat any raw food, eat like warming foods. M h.
I sat up, drink some broth instantly, and woe felt
the release and that passed out dead asleep at like
eight thirty, I couldn't stay awake, slept, woke up the
(41:28):
next morning, eyes open around seven thirty eight am, steady
steam of tears from like eight to twelve thirty. I
texted you. I was like, this is crazy. I'm just
like crying, crying, crying, crying. He texted me, he was like,
how are you. I was like, well, I slept really well.
My body feels great, but I can't stop crying. And
he was like, yep, totally like do some squats, do
some breathing. But this guy, this guy, and I'm going
(41:52):
to New York and I'm like, I need to do
weekly acupuncture. I have to get back into it. Yes.
I did acupuncture for a little while for migraines like
any many years ago, but didn't commit because it was
so expensive. And I just just like, I can't do
this like every week. But I'm feeling like I gotta
once that time you did accupunction in, I've done it
once in my life. So calling all New York body
(42:12):
workers and acupulture practitioners, I wonder if there's any when
we're in New York together, if there's any treatments that
would be worth doing simultaneously and my job. The listeners
can't see my job. My eyes and mouth is widened, remembering, Ay,
we're both gonna be New York at the same time.
B I'm doing a major call out of um to everyone.
(42:33):
Of course, because I'm gonna be there for a couple
of months. I need the body work, the treatments, all
of it. We have to do a major spaw day. Yeah,
I'm in the mood for that. I'm in the mood,
you know, I keep intending to. I mean, that's the thing.
It's like, I mean, I've said a thousand times, but
just you know, oh, you know, in crisis, then you
try to start the meditation practice. It's like, I know,
(42:53):
I know, no, and I'm really I'm realizing truly over
a month now, like the phone just being like not
in my life the way it's been for so long. Journaline,
the journaling is huge, I actually have to do it
is huge. And yet I resist because of meeting my
own mind. I guess, yeah, yet I am afraid to
(43:17):
be without it. So what you gotta get into journaling.
And I'm i gotta do the meditation now. I need
it now, gotta gotta gotta gotta. I mean, I guess
I don't know will we sever develop habits. I know,
I don't know if I'll ever develop a habit. It's
really guess who hasn't gas Shaw ten days? Me? Remember
(43:40):
the Gashaw changed my life? I guess who put it down? Me?
Oh wow, I gotta get back. I mean the closest
I've had is probably like my consistency with doing Tracy. Yeah,
trying to think what else I've had, But like I
just I can't, you know, start. There's a book Atomic
Habits right once again healed by a title, but it's
(44:03):
you know, making like I think, it's like making one
degree changes kind of thing, like add up big time,
you know, so it's like instead of these big changes.
Well that's the thing, because I guess what I'm also off.
I was really onto my Melissa, and I was really
committed fifteen minutes a day and then like I got
home one night and I just like like literally was like, wait,
(44:23):
is my ass like different now? Like somebody? I was
like the fifteen minutes a day every day, that's like
hours a week, you know, doing the math, and I
was like wait what? And then I had to stop
because I was getting from the planks. I think I
was getting this pain in my chest. I pulled some
muscles and I had to stop, but I got to
get back on. But yeah, but I was doing I stopped,
(44:45):
it stopped. Yeah, I mean the implementation of that which
we know we need to do in the refusal and
then and then I know that's it. It's really hard.
It's it's absolutely hard to do anything. But I also
I want to just throw in because this the listeners
might remember, I was watching I was going to the
(45:07):
Kardashian's the last couple of months, dipping in and out
and becoming very consumed. Also, I went on the Skims website,
got the bras. I'm loving the bras. Okay, oh my god. Yeah,
huge news. But then I bought I couldn't resist. I'm
not I'm not proud of Black Friday sale. I bought
these sweatpants. He's like Teddy Bear. I was like, these
are gonna be so cozy in New York and the skies. Yeah,
(45:28):
they're like Teddy Bear brown, They're insane. I put them
on there. First of all, there made for someone who's
six four, Like, there's so much fabric at the bottom.
It's erie and they look, I'll be honest, awful, it's
just crazy, like they look I don't know what. I
gotta put them back on. But I put them on
last night, like oh, and I was like, well, I'll
(45:49):
wear these in the home. But right, they look like
they were made by someone who works at a carnival.
Look like what why by a bear? But what I
actually meant was I was going to say by a
carnival bear, and I was like, I'm not gonna say that,
like a like a nice teddy Bear made them. Yeah,
So it's like where you're like, I wish I had
(46:09):
that sweet this was made of the Teddy Bear itself.
This is lesser than the Teddy Bear. But wait, did
you only get the pants? No? I got the pants.
And there's a couple of bras in there that haven't
tried because the one I love. No, No, they're just
like regular bras. See, I feel like those Teddy Bear
and I could have this wrong, but those lounge sets
that I've seen in them, it only looks good if
(46:30):
you're a full Teddy Bear. Yeah bear pants and sure,
I mean do anything, You're right, You're right, No, I
almost I got to post a picture on the Pook Instagram. Yeah,
because these pants are like there, it's just comical, how
like badly look on me? I don't know, it's just anyway,
it's we're like two weeks out of Christmas. Can you
believe this? Me alone on Christmas and New York? You're
(46:52):
never alone if you're in New York. It's gonna be hard. Well,
I agree, and we're gonna work on that. We're gonna
figure that out. I started googling like Christmas cocktail recipes
and then also Christmas mocktail recipes, like because like I
can't like add something to Christmas Eve that doesn't account
for like the non drinkers. Do you know what I mean?
(47:14):
Like doing a fun thing this year and it's like
only for for myself. But then you go, what is
you know that's exciting to drink? What? I love a
Pim's cup and you can do a virgin Pim's cup
of what is Pim's cup again? I forgot already forgetting
it was it was one of those things where I
was having Pims cup one Christmas. I was completely obsessed
(47:36):
with Pim's cup. So what it is is Pims liquor,
lemon juice, ginger it's really just pims lemon juice, ginger,
and then you do a cucumber slice, mint lemon wheel
and orange wheel put on ice. And what's great is
that it's a pitch or cocktail, so you can make
it for a group. It's great because I remember one
Christmas the other thing for everyone. You once had a
(47:59):
party fifteen years ago and I think there were two
punch bowls, and yes, it was so fucking cool. So
I started looking at Christmas punched too. But I'm trying
to like, because I love to me the mocktail or
to even use that word, isn't even what I want,
like a fun Christmas drink. It's like it shouldn't be
like mimicking the cocktail. It has to be good on someone, like,
(48:21):
for example, like a mold cider is just delicious, right,
like a hot mold like apple cider. I don't even
know mold is, but you know what I mean, Like
kind of like that one. I have a Thanksgiving with
the cranberry and the clove and cinnamon sticks and the
whole thing. So I'm like, that is an option. I'm
imagining this like basically, Okay, a couple of things. One eggnog.
I love it. I'm one of the sticks. But I
(48:44):
can't get the eggnog latte. Whoa, I'd get it at Starbucks,
Like one eggnog latte for me, please, Like, and it's
used to get the white chocolate mocha at Starbucks after school.
This child m M got Chantico right, no, Shantica. Starbucks
(49:06):
had a thing and I used to drink this in
high school and like I think it was the ninth grade.
They had a drinking chocolate called Shantico or Fantica and
it was like a little it was like an espresso,
but it was fucking chocolate. Maybe it's one of the
totato It is like a little thing. And it was Dents.
It was like the dentist hot chocolate. What's that company?
In New York they always have the you know those
(49:29):
the market holiday markets in New York. God strolling through those,
the one in Columbus Circle, the one in like um
Bryant Park. You know, honestly, you already know. This is
actually my first Christmas in New York City? Can you
believe that? Okay, that'll yeah, maybe we'll go together because
it's really fun. Even though I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna obsess and try to lock you down. But yeah, no, yeah,
(49:52):
and you know you go, you get um the one
that would go into Columbus Circle at these huge gingerbread cookies,
gingerbread men and women and and get that just like
calling them men and women that like like it. Just
(50:14):
want me to say Gingerman or whatever. Never heard. I
think they add a skirt. You know, it's very much
you know that sense. But and then hot cider, and
then you're gonna have to offline. I'm gonna have to
do low stress here because I want to stress you out,
but I don't have to do some offline Christmas talk
with you. I know you're already thinking about me with
love for Christmas hugely. I know, I know, And there's
(50:37):
factors in motion. Okay, it's what we'll do it. We'll
do it offline and we'll have to celebrate Christmas in
some way with the with the show as we did
we did Alive. You'll recall when I was in California,
we did a Christmas drink or whatever we did ranch
writers on christ I was sobbing. No I had been
because I had to stay in California. Of course, pandemic. Hell. Yes,
(51:02):
of course I remember the ranch Writer Christmas. Yeah, and
I haven't heard from them in a while, but I
know I'm on their list. And I drank a couple
of ranch Writers last night. I took a four pack
of ranch Writer to John's house. Did he like them?
Did he try it? Had he tried? He's had a few?
You know what flavor? This was just a four pack
of the vodka the Chilton, Yeah, I think. So what
(51:25):
color was it? I'm sorry, pale, like a very pale color.
It's a color I don't even know. Yeah, I think
I think I know the one, the Hallapeno tequila one
is a fave. I think I like the Paloma and
I like the tequila ones. Well, here's an ad for
ranch Writer. So they and they have them very generous
(51:45):
to us, and we hope that continues in the new year.
Tequila ones are my favorite, despite loving vodka in other contexts.
I want to say, and I think the next episode
of Poog we should do. I think it will be
really fun to do a bit of a Christmas roundup
wish list stuff. So I'm actually gonna save it, going
to tease that for the next episode and jacquelins frozen
for me. Well, I thought she was doing a loaded
(52:08):
inhale and pause before speaking, but she's just frozen. And
now of course wondering is she talking? Am I frozen
for her? Am I hearing the abyss? I think I'm
hearing the abyss alone. Okay, Jacklin just texting. My computer
just died, so in a shocking twist of events, I'm
(52:28):
going to have to end this, end this episode alone.
Thanks for listening. In case she doesn't come back, I'll
just say good night, good day, good night. That was pood.
If you enjoyed Pooh, please subscribe, rate, and review. If not,
(52:50):
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