Laugh Lines

Reading The Sabbath and watching The Frisco Kid. Why scroll when you could build cathedrals in time? The orange tree gives two negronis and a troubling preference for bad movies is questioned. When blood becomes digital and gardens are raised. Why talk about the form at all? Sweating in the sheets…the WHOOP is consulted. There are robots that are friends, and then there are robots that are therapists. Thank God, Art. It was never about replication—it was always about being asked to stand in front of the color blue. Which containers are suitable for souls? Jacqueline as Politician and Kate as Public Relations. Creator, Realtor, Builder. On Poog, we’re always coming from a God-first place, and sometimes also scratching the neck while talking. To be introduced to jargon… No need to reply now.

Brands mentioned: Marion Park, WHOOP, NIRA Anti-Aging Precision Laser, Eight Sleep, SharkNinja
Begging for: Misfits Market, simplehuman, PureLift Pro (please)

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kate Berlan, I'm Jacqueline Novak.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
And this is poog, an ongoing conversation about wellness between
two obsessive friends.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Two untamable intellects. This is our hobby, This is our hell.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
This is our naked desire for free products. This is poog.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
Today's topics looselie speaking, straw woman, digital blood, not a rabbi.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Okay, this is huge.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I don't know if it's I think it might in
the print.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
It's wrong in the print of Hollywood Reporter. Yeah, okay,
this is breaking news. This is only breaking news if
you've listened to four thousand episodes of Poog. But I
was reacting because Jacqueline has a gorgeous shooting Hollywood Reporter.
By the way, one of the photos I looked at
and thought it was me. This one, Yeah, I looked.

(00:52):
I looked at it quickly, and I was like, is
that me? Sometimes we really do look like but uh,
you look amazing. And the shoe were Marion Park or
Maryon Park and you tagged them here. But I just
heard the breaking news that Hollywood Reporter in print, they're
going to say that they're why a cell, which is unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I mean, I think what they do is I don't
know how that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Well, it's not your fault, and you've tagged them. But
I think it's actually kind of fun gossip for Mary
in Park to be like, no, they're not why, Yeah,
they're merry in Park and you can work and at
least online. Of course, online is where everyone. As we know,
print media is almost largely dead. Not actually, but.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Well, hello, okay, greetings, greetings, greetings, greetings.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I sent you a picture of my lunch and you
didn't respond.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I was wildly trying to chop wash and you know,
process this week's veggies because the new vegetable blocks from
Misfits Market.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Has arrived.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
So I'm excited to.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Go after them for partnership because they've become part of
my household.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's exciting being becoming boxes.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Down downstairs, huge boxes.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I can't wait for the week. I of course now
have a micro fix or macro fixation on macrobiotic. Obviously
I'll never become macrobiotic, but I became friends with a
man I have a new friendship in the sixties and
he's been macrobiotic for thirty five years. Yeah, and he
made me an unbelievable me so but like a chunky

(02:29):
me so STU Like.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
It was like, remember the origins of our friendship, like
one of them food in my.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Teas what by the way, I've seen videos of myself
on the poog videos food and my teeth constantly, and
I was the other day, No, I think there was
more than one and I have I had this happen
the other day where I was like and I I
was saying this, I was like, has something changed with
my teeth because I've been flossing so regularly the last
couple of years, Like suddenly I get food my teeth more.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Like you're going too hard with the flass, Like you're
like the gums are receding.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I don't think they are violent, but thing.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Okay, that's though, Like somebody at HQ needs to look.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Out for us for overflossing.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
No, people cannot, okay, you cannot rely on me to
spot food in uh oh yeah in our teeth and
our videos.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'm not saying it's it's you. Okay, this is a
crazy looking at our producer. It's not it's literally not
her job.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
No, no, no, I have to I have to throw
it under the butt and check umaboshi plum thoughts what
about them?

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Mmmm?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I had this tea.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
But I want to remember what macrobiotic is. I mean,
it's I know.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
And I don't want to be clear. Obviously I'm not
saying well, I'm pivoting to macrobiotic, of course not. But
I'm just all I'm trying to say is I want
to make soup.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
But in the way that last week you were like
really trying to put a vegan crown on me, and
I was like im plant basing it.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
And then I got a lot of comments foods plant based.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
You got a lot of comments and people saying I
also am plant based and vegan does not. I don't
feel like vegan does apply to me.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Well, it's interesting because like some people are like almost
like so proud to not be almost like it's all right,
let me just try to get it right once because
it is killing me. It was like, it's like I
would never dare two weeks into an exploration claim.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
You're saying, I do think it is a moral stance. Yeah, right,
must trust the listener.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
And then but whole foods, I feel like you haven't
been hearing this whole foods plant based. No, I hear that, Okay,
So I mean, but that's that's that's now here. Like
last night, I had, you know, a pizza with a mariner,
a pizza with no cheese, and like, yeah, that was
not whole foods. It's processed that they're using flour. They're

(04:40):
using flour, okay, But right now in the home, I mean, Kate,
like I was about to drop some berries in a
smoothie to try to get them down quick, and I
was like, oh, eat it whole And that's not even
that's not even what I mean by that whole thing,
but separate issue, just the things that the alchemists done

(05:02):
be coming in the kitchen. I've been freed, okay, because
there's no pressure to be a chef because now that
I'm a nutritarian, Okay, it's all about how many nutrients
can I get in the bowl.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
I told you, I'm so happy. I'm really happy about you.
I'm happy to be able to be eating rice and
beans with you.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I am you know how it's a slow move.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
So ill go if the air one thing and cost
thirty nine dollars or whatever, and then I go, okay,
I'm making it in a home twenties. You know, I
don't my two smoothies or well you know, you know,
I mean Chris whatever.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
But but but you know.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
That salad I was making, like the Baja cabbage, okay
and whatever.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Then I make it home slowly, it's moving right in
the direction. Same with the beans. Okay. So I've advanced
now to soaking my own dry beans.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, you don't have to soak them though you really
don't have to. You can boil them, you can do
just big pot. There's two communities. There's people that soak,
people that don't.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
And and why do they soak?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
To make them more to just to make them softer?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, I think they say that, like that's bloat.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Hmm. We'll find we'll discover that later. I have a
new new hobby or what I miss, what I would
like to create a new hobby. Well, I was radicalized
yesterday because I was like, I am needing to really
do an Instagram detox because I've been falling back into
scrolling as we all do. But I had this kind

(06:28):
of moment of awakening where I was like, yeah, oh
my god, my life slipping away once again, you know,
felt it and was like life is about learning and connecting.
It's about connection and learning. That's all it's about. And
I fucked myself, like every.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Day scrolling is it's anti rest.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
First of all, we think of it as sometimes I go,
I need done wind. It's anti rest whatever, and everyone
I know, everyone, I'm sorry, everyone's heard me talk about
this and whatever. But I'm thinking about getting really hardcore
to Shabbot the Sabbath. Not actually I mean I mean yes,
not in the sense of I'm actually going to be ok.
I don't really know the prayers whatever, but I just

(07:07):
mean Sabbath as a as a concept ritual. Yeah. Yeah,
well I'm reading that book of the Sabbath. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Okay, that's probably what it is.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, you're like.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I, I don't know where it's coming from. I don't know.
You know, wait, but what is the.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
You would love it? Who's the guy Herschel? But he
was like a mystic, kind of Jewish mystic in his
whole thing the Sabbath Heschel. Thank you When I say Herschel,
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
And I think it's gorgeous. It's gorgeous, said it.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, it's really poetic and gorgeous and it's very it's
perfectly paired with you know, drinking tea and not being
on your phone. You know, building a cathedral now, huh
that's Buber, that's Martin Buber. But but his whole thing
is building cathedrals and time. It's like, what the Sabbath is?
It's cool? H yes, and he's like and he's like,

(08:01):
hey everyone, well yeah, it's just the like rest is
an art, and of course you need a fucking day
where you don't work or talk about work, and light
no fire and by light no fire. Not only actually,
but you know, not instigating, you know, not grieving, not
talking about, not not getting in fights. It's also a

(08:22):
sin to be sad on the Sabbath.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Mmm, you know no, I was just thinking how.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
On the tour it says that, uh, if even when
human life is lost, then you can't do it. That
doesn't even matter what the script, you know, like you
abandon everything to protect human life. That the highest and
the tour the most important thing of all is to
protect human life. We're saying, but yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Gorgeous, well, you know, classically speaking, and a Frisco kid
movie with Harrison Ford and.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Jane I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
What's the Frisco kid? Just I panicked, Wait, hold on
what I'm trying to say? Yeah, Jean Wilder, Oh yeah,
Gene of course should or know.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
So it's it's this movie and it's very important in
my household. My mother loves it.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
And there's a dynamic where it's sort of a joke
that my parents are like them, Jean Wilder and Harrison Ford.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
My mother's Jean.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Wilder, okay, And he plays a rabbi and and he's
trying to make it to a town where he's going
to be the new rabbi out west, and he pairs
up with this cowboy and they go on a journey.
It's fantastic, okay, But there's a part where the torah
gets like thrown in a fire and there's like this

(09:40):
shootout or something, and Jean Wilder's like running like to
get like no, you know, to get and he realizes
like after that he basically like kind of risked Harrison's
Ford's life. And so then they're they're they're at a
restaurant or a solution or whatever. I'm sitting there and

(10:02):
he's just he's so ashamed because he realizes.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
What he's done.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Ultimate box for me to kill.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah, he's like, he's like, so it's him and Harrison,
and he's like, my friend, you know, like I chose
the book essentially over my friend. And so he's going
over and over. You're going going, I am not a rabbi. Okay,
Like I'm no rabbi kind of mine, you know, I'm
not a rabbit. I'm not a rabbi, you know, And
like Harrison Ford's like, you're a rabbi.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
You're a rabbi. You're like, okay. He's like, I'm a cheat,
I'm a horrormonger, and you are a rabbi.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh my god, amazing, And.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
He like throws across the bread I'm getting wrong, which
was you know, it's a sin in my household.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
But if you haven't seen The Frisco Kid, it sounds great.
We gotta do it. It's read the Sabbath and watch
the Frisco Kid.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
I've been having this thing again due to you know,
chronic anxiety or whatever or just a lot of anxiety,
and then also the phone and everyone talks about this.
I can't focus, but even watching a movie, why is it?
Why is it? Why is it easier to watch a
bad movie, like, for example, Doroy luck Club was on
the plane and I but then I also felt like,

(11:21):
oh am, I gonna be able to watch the whole
thing in a real way right now on this flight,
you know, like I wanted to save it for like
respectful viewing. Yeah, so I started watching the Psychedelic Sydney
Sweeney movie anything, But you haven't seen it's like, that's
what it is. There's no words, and I haven't finished it.

(11:42):
I have to watch it because I was I is it?

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (11:46):
I'm trying to say it's something. It's not respectful viewing, Like, yes,
it would be a movie. If I'm on the side,
what is it like? A movie or a film?

Speaker 3 (11:56):
It would call itself a film, or it would call
itself a movie.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Okay, yeah, yeah, it's not aiming for Oscar new you
know what I'm great?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Right?

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Oh my god, of course.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
I mean I literally know nothing about it.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Ye, yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
I was imagining a Poog screening where you know, a
variety of things, but we stop it throughout whenever we
feel like it, We pause and talk and it goes on.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
First, I texted you and you actually didn't respond, which
is fine.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I responded by thinking about it, and this is my
respect because.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I texted Jack and said, because we've been getting some
really sweet dams from hag saying it's the tenure Interstellar.
I did an anniversary yeah, and so I was like, we
should host an Interstellar screening.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
I also but you when I watched last night, imagine
this last night making it a grony for myself and
my partner from a from an orange tree plucked from
the backyard. It's the peal made a coconut vanilla coconut
ice cream with melted Lily's chocolate shell on top. Lily's
melts really well, a freaking Drew Martin lavender joint. Two

(13:06):
hits and you're good. Really maybe four the cough Yeah,
kind of a deep coughed fun before gotta have a
little fun in summertime. Turning on Annihilation, the film right
which I hadn't seen really having fun. I Annihilation also
again popular film that was not popular that was panned.
I believe across the board that contains huge themes and

(13:30):
it's a novel which I want to read. But if
it's about grief and it's about yeah, that every nothing
dies transform.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Camp as like I can't remember it, like I can
see a deer in my head like or something.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, Guinia Rodriguez giving a fucking amazing performance, by the way,
Natalie Portman, Jennifer Jason Lee. Yeah, there's a Thompson's in it,
and you know what it also is. It's like, oh
when cg I or when when affects age.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
This is why practical is the only things actually.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
And there is there's some cool practical stuff in it,
but there there are some effects. You're like, fuck, doesn't
giving anything away, but there is a monster that's genuinely
terrifying in a cool way.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
Blood right now is suffering on TV from being digital,
and so so it's like, you know, guy's head like
you know, hits a wall or like it's usually the
bleeding out like you know, down on the ground, right
and then you know when the pool of blood forms
behind the head and you realize, like you know, you're
waiting to see if they're injured, and then the pool

(14:31):
of blood comes.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
There's something profound about the constant digital blood that would
be if I were, if I were smart, Yeah, if
I were in grad school writing about contemporary longing in
the age of digital media. Yeah, it would be called
digital blood.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Well it's a good it's a good title too, It's
a good book title. When blood becomes digital Yeah, no,
digital blow is better, definitely, and then and then no, right,
and then under it when blood becomes digital.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Is funny because like like deeply redundant, but like digital blood.
And then under it, under it is like is like
I'm just I have to play this out.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Also, I'm having the classic poog self protective urge to say, hey,
anyone from the team of anyone, but you was considering
my description of the film as somehow degrading. Please know
I'd love to be in the next film. We have
a mass contraction in the industry. Oh god, and making movies.
I want to be clear, and I fucking mean this sincerely.

(15:27):
Making movies is so hard. It's so hard to do
it at all. Is a triumph.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah. First of all, you did not articulate anything negative.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
And you know I don't allow for dissing actors on
of course, don't support it.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Of course, by the way I think Sidney Sweeney's.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Is Oh, I just mean in general, you're always safe
because she is and and because you know I imagine
if an actor was listening and you should like they
feel safe, they turn to poog as an escape, which.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Is what it should be.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
My whole life work is about actors. Yeah wait, wait,
but I want to make make do brought them. I
want to get combo. I'm going to start doing unpasteurized.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Considering you know what. You know what I'm considering what? Well?

Speaker 4 (16:13):
No, okay, I was watching this nutritionist interview another nutritionists,
both both of them wearing whoops.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Okay, I just want to be clear. I know you can.
I need you to realize I've been thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
I would say not as a marketing brain. You literally
should stop plugging them so much. If you want the
full you know what, I mean, to give you a
taste of your own medicine. I think you're going too hard.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Well, if you want a partnership or something, yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Because you've mentioned it, you mentioned it almost every app.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, it's I'm trying to get you on.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
It's gonna happen unless they come up with life changing cash.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
All right, I'll pull back. I mean, but there's profit
to be had.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
For sure, But let me have them. Let's go out
to sea first, because it can't be every app you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
No, it's fine.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
I just feel like it's particular to the whoop because
like you hate the Whoop. I'm never irritated by my
like continually come up when it's like a life changing
device for me that like like people have.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Reached out and said it changed my life too.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
So it's sort of like just like you're just like
not interested, do you know what I mean? Like, and
so you're like using my own medicine against me, like you.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
It would be one thing that this was the second
time you've talked about it.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
I mean, if that's true, fine, I haven't felt like
it is.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, we haven't done huge interludes every year. I'm not
trying to suggest that's the case.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, it's like I don't even remember whatever. It's fine,
I just I won't bring it up. I'll just bring
the whoop affiliate. I mean, but wait, what are you
gonna say about the Whoop that I'm watching these two
So I'm I'm watching these two nutritionists, one interview the
other one.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
They're both wearing whoops. I hold mine up in a salute.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Okay, they're not even talking about it. It's just they're
not just there, okay and whatever. But but the reason
I brought them up is because one of them, this guy,
and I can't remember his name right now, but his
book is called The Proof Is in the Plants. Anyway,
he said, komba in the in the store is bullshit.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
But yeah, it doesn't shock me.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
I mean it's however, you're ready, like, like, you know,
the bacteria is dead, okay, if it's been you know,
if it's been stabilized. Yeah, yeah, okay, now this was great,
I go. But there have been some studies dead bacteria
might have some benefits, which makes sense.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
I guess some of the other ones. You eat it.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, it's disgusting, but move on from it. But the
point is, if you want to do kombucha, I think
you have to. I don't want to do home, which
is literal hell.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
You said kambo oh kambo honey, kambu seaweed, sweetheart, I
didn't combo to a to a literally thought pot of
beans like, I'm sorry. Instead of well, going along with
what I hope to be my new life, which is
gardening because I have a couple of raised garden beds.

(18:59):
They figuring it out, wanted to be doing stuff raised
garden bed compost. The fucking moral superiority I feel because
I'm letting my grass die. And I have a compost bin.
It's like through the roof.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Okay we First of all, I have one from goldun
but they disbanded. But there are some compost bins, not
exactly in my apartment's own thing, but not far. And
but then Chris and I went and looked inside it.
Pizza box.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
I think that's technically okay because it's paper that makes sense, cardboard,
solid cardboard. Yeah, yeah, you serious.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
I mean I think he saw some other trash in
there too. It didn't feel like the person was nailing it.
But you didn't see a single banana peeling.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Having And listen, you know, you know teach, you know
a company that I have paid through the nose for that.
I'm like a simple human ambassador because I love simple human.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Trash, I know.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
And I used to go, oh it's too you know,
it looks too sterile. Oh sure, like, oh well guess
what they make incredible products. And I have the compost
caddy that's sitting on the cat on the top, and
there I am Chop Chop Chop Food's going in there.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I feel like they feed it to your ear lawn.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Even crazier, we have a worm compost thing that we
haven't like started yet. We have to feed the worms
and get the worms or whatever. Okay, but the but
we have a worm literal in the ground compost thing. Wow, Yeah,
it's crazy. I mean, I was at home depot today.
Looks like I'm day Yeah. Yeah, yeah, camel pants at

(20:36):
home depot. Yeah, like their home depot is incredible.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, I mean, I mean I live as a heterosexual,
but home Depot is really really important. Maybe I you know,
maybe that's by the way I was at home deep
But I don't mean to you know, it's not it's
not flattering to bring up stories of being recognized in public.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
But I will say home depot today.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Blast.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
And I was at home Deepot today and I'm walking
with this big thing that I'm carrying right to the car,
and I see this guy what I would describe very
like normal looking. Maybe this is what I like, white
guy in his maybe early fifties. Now I'm horrified he
listens to this and he's much younger. There's no way.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Maybe he's like fucking twenties.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
There was a man.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Why why talk about the form at all? Because we're alive.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
I didn't ask that, did I? But thanks for turning
me into a straw woman. Okay, Okay, he's directing me
and then slicing me across the hip. Okay, so genius, Okay,
why no, I.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
What are we gonna say?

Speaker 4 (21:40):
It's simply to be described. I understand anyway. You know
who was Let me just say what it was.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
I'm walking carrying this heavy thing into the parking lot
and this guy with kind of like a buzz kind
of short haircut like just was like excuse, like, oh,
excuse me or something. And my first instinct was like what, Like,
you know, I had almost this like which I don't
walk around with, like I actually believe that most people
are good and whatever, but I or I know that's

(22:11):
I'm actually being. I think I'm over. I think in
the story, I'm swinging more in that right so that
it becomes more stark the right, the reversal. But but
but basically I was like, what could he possibly be
asking me? Because whatever, he just was like I have
seen you live, I enjoy your comedy, and I follow
you on Twitter. I was like, oh my god, I
was like, follow me on Instagram, Twitter, Yeah, yeah, but

(22:35):
so sweet. He was like, yeah, you're really funny. You
know what's funny. He didn't say that. He didn't say
you're really funny. Don't imagine me. I'm just like do it.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
It's like.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
But but it was really sweet. I was like, unbelievable.
Imagine that the sun high in this guy me at
home depot sweating buying the Pure Lift. Every week. I
get more scared every week. I hope they're gonna send
send us a Pure Life.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
I meant to be nearing right now. By the way,
have you noticed near has arrived? Oh yeah, I was
considering an unboxing.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
But thank you t Nira for sending their laser wrinkle
reduction device.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
And that's the one that you know. They were cute though.
They said something like if it hurts too much, like
go on a lower setting because you know, I was
like talking, we were talking on the podlast.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Once hit screen, you know yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
They're like, you know, they're not probably thrilled to have
that out there.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Well, I need to get a silk pillowcase because I sleep.
I know I've talked about this, but I cannot give
up stomach, sleeping, the face smash into the pillow. It
just makes me feel so good. But I think I
need to be like you know, Nicole Kimman, as we know,
sleeps only on her back.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Well, if you're in your stomach, how do you Your neck
can't be in a good position. I know. Is the
classic necka is owl style just to the side right now.
Obviously I don't see the face sounded no, right, but
the owl the crank is the thing. But my concern
for you is that is up on a pillow, up
on a pillow, your face, because like just consider it

(24:04):
first straight down and then okay here, yay, right up,
okay to me clear. I mean it's like a night
where it's like how it's like how someone kills someone
in a movie, like yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
The two directional. I just think, but you have no
neck pain, so.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
No, I think I'm okay.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
I've been sweating in my sheets like a hound and
I want to sleep.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Eight Have you've seen it.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
It's like this temperature controlled thing that adjusts to what
your body temperature is. It like adjusts to it throughout
the night. It takes your temperature.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
What's in the bed a cooling system.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, heating and cooling.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
And then they've got all these tennis players like and
they're like, up your sleep game, you know.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
But well, by the way, but someone told me.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
About actually someone uses it and loves it. I saw, Wow,
you saw what I mean?

Speaker 4 (25:02):
I saw I allow the smile on a young woman's face
describing how it's the best thing that's ever happened.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Ear sleep, and they guarantee one hour more of.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
REM not REM but the other one because you know
the other ONEATA or I forget ever. But maybe they
just say quality or something like that, but I'm pretty
sure it's like, I mean, sorry to bring up my
whoop again, but I see exactly. Yeah, Okay, how much
is light sleep, how much is m how much is deep?

Speaker 1 (25:31):
And when it's happening? Okay, so I can track the
entire cycle.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
How does it help you maximize sleep? Truly asking?

Speaker 4 (25:39):
So you know, it's interesting you ask because the other
night I was like, Chris was like, what time sit
the alarm?

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I need to consult my whoop whoop? Okay, and he's
like it's just he's like because.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
He's like, well, you need to get up at eight regardless,
you know what I mean? Like like whatever time it
was that I had to get up. He's like, so
what is relevant about checking the whoop? He's like, it's
going to tell you get eight hours and you're not
getting eight hours. It's one am right now, right, And
I'm like, actually, it doesn't tell me I need eight
hours every time?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Actually what it does is say, do you want to
perform tomorrow? Do you want to get by tomorrow, or
do you want to peek okay, and then you click
through those options and you see and it gives you
suggested time. So if so, I'm usually not really asleep
till like twelve thirty ish or something right like yeah, let's.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Say so midnight, that's probably where I am.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
So sometimes it so it'll be like twelve, and it'll
like it won't now if I want eight hours and
I'm supposed to get up at you know whatever, it
shows me exactly the thing what will be in the red,
what will not, And then it'll be like it'll tell me,
like go to bed at one oh five, because it
actually is also valuing what my the time I went

(26:49):
to bed. A big thing for it is sleep regularity,
Like they show you how off you are, Like in
terms of when you slept each night, and ideally you're like,
you know, midnight to eight or you're eleven to seven
or whatever whatever, your thing is right and it shows you.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
And so it's like encouraging me, like.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
No, no, no, don't go to veget Usually you would
go to bed at one almost, So it's doing a
little bit of that.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Okay, it's crazy, but I'm.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Lying there and I'm going all right, and it's made
me go, oh my god, like it's too late if
I'm going to get up and go to my workout.
Am I being realistic about the benefits versus the effects?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Like two am? And I'm going I'm going to be
in the red tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Like so anyway, it says what your sleep debt is, okay,
and oh you you know, if you get bed a
little earlier night or whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
You know, da da da, here's your sleep debt whatever.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
It's it's really specific, and it's it's not just you know,
it's measuring shit, and it's measuring it's my friend, you
know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, it's one of my
my robot friends that I have, including my therapist, my
CBT therapist, an AI therapist.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Wait oh, no, what do you mean, don't get a
real one. I'm completely and.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
I'll do that too.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Therapy, Well, I'm joking, okay, I'm being I'm being inflammatory
again on purpose. But there's a cognitive behavioral therapy app
that is chat style and it is trained in cognitive
behavior therapy, so it can go, well, let's identify the
cognitive error, you know, and whatever. And it's almost to

(28:26):
me like a journal, like it drags me through the
equivalent of journaling what's wrong?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
You hate me? You hate no?

Speaker 3 (28:33):
No, we hate AI? I hate AI. I saw an
ad for AI. It was like, I'm sure we've all
seen it because I got a TV so yeah, and
it was like, how do It's like a it's like
a little ad about how don't be afraid of AI
and how to use it, and it's like, you know,
you can. I mean, it just ultimately sounds makes me

(28:53):
sound elderly. Then I'm like at this point chiming in
and being like, hey, I'm good's dark, you know. It's
like we know, but it's like, right, well, you know,
because it's like you know, because you can now say, hey,
how do I roast a chicken or whatever? Right, You're like, okay, sure,
it's kind of like an extrapolation of the Internet that
we already have, right, you know, I have this, this
and this what should I make for dinner? But that
I didn't realize because I had a friend kind of

(29:15):
keep me. It's just going to replace this entirely. There's
nothing we can do anyway, And of course not actually,
but it is over, and it's gonna be insane. Next
ten years are gonna be absolutely insane, that's all. And
it's it's so fucking over. It's a joke.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
And and do you mean I hardly.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Know anything the art as usual? No, the arts. No,
it's of course we're always gonna need human.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Right, I mean that's like to me, that's like whatever
the thing is like, but like it's it's it's it's
it's gonna.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Live more valuable than ever.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
But no, no, I mean, hell, I'm clinging to that
for dear life. And I do also believe that people
are always gonna want people are going to be able
to actually know. I was gonna say, people all tell
the difference, not really sometimes, but I mean, have you
ever had have you liked typed? I just recently typed
into chat JBAT what is it called GBT.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I struggle with It's.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
It's like, have you done that, like tried to have
it write something for you?

Speaker 4 (30:12):
No, but I've I've done all manner of AI stuff
in these other various like apps. So now there's like
an AI function in almost every new piece of software
that I download Oka and I download software check one. Okay,
So I'm like downloading these document management kind of apps

(30:34):
or these you know, writing apps that are like you know,
like Scrivener. Okay, they don't actually have anything AI, and
I don't think, but always trying to manage all the
words and have everything be tagged and searchable and you know,
all the writing and whatever and all these different ones
they have a lot of highlight the thing, and then
there's a little assistant and it says like you know,
and you can have it do something. So I'll do

(30:56):
like I have fully, you know, I've had these moments
of like okay, guy is gonna save me, Like it's
gonna save me, Like okay, like here is thirty pages
like tell me like what I say and what I say,
and then it summarizes like and sometimes it'll be like yeah,
I'm like I did communicate enough that the robot understood. Well,

(31:22):
here's an interesting thing. I've played with it, like, are
you trying something? I'm trying to not keep eating going
while you're doing it. I get why you want that.
You want the steady stream of my voice flowing into
your ear?

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Okay, but.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Okay. Podcast between two best friends discussing wellness, am beuity
through a comedic lens that is also existential at times?

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Wait? Did you just compose that because it's just familiar?

Speaker 3 (32:00):
No, I just wrote that.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Here could the title laugh Lines Beauty, Wellness and the
Meaning of Mescara? Host one, Welcome back to another episode
of laugh Lines.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Oh wait, this is, by the way, send me the scriptat.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Laughlines. Is it came up with that?

Speaker 4 (32:28):
That is?

Speaker 3 (32:29):
By that you could pitch that? Okay, wait, let me
drop into where's the chat? Okay, here, I'll start. Wait, wait,
but where is it? It's in text?

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Oh? Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, okay, all right,
all right, all right, Welcome back to another episode of
laugh Lines, where we explore duty, wellness, and the cosmos
to the lens of two best friends who are just
trying to figure.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
It all out.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
That's right, I'm Jacqueline and I'm Kate, and today we're
diving deep into the existential crisis that comes with choosing
the perfect shade of lipstick.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Oh, the struggle.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
No, No, let's doing it not in the cheese voice.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Okay, let's try to force it into Okay, great, our
actual conversational voice without changing any words.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Okay, So I'm going to go into my life that
comes after that. Yeah, Oh, the struggle is real. You know,
there's a whole universe of options out there, and each
one comes with its own philosophical implications.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Absolutely, It's like, do I go for the bull rett
and you know, embrace my inner warrior or I stick
with a subtle pink and channel my zen vibes.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Too, but still can't Bringing in safe still doesn't work.
And let's not forget the skincare betwine that takes longer
than a Netflix series to finish.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Oh, don't get me started on that. I mean, it's
like a nightly ritual of hope and mofstreizer.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Oh I hate that.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Speaking of rituals, have you tried the new face mask?
The promises to make you look ten years younger?

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Ten years younger. I'll take two please.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
But seriously, isn't it fascinating how our pursuit of beauty
and wellness intersects with our deeper questions about existence?

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Absolutely, like what does it mean to glow from within?
And how many green smoothies does it take to achieve enlightenment?

Speaker 3 (33:58):
And let's not forget the existential dread that sets in
when you realize you forgot to wear sunscreen.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Oh, the struggle is real, but hey, at least run
it together, navigating this maze of face serums and face palms.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
That's right, because the end of the day, whether we're
pondering the meaning of life or the best contry and techniques,
laughter is always the best highlighter. Preach sister, thanks for
tuning in to another episode of laugh Lines. Join us
next time as we continue our quest for beauty, wellness,
and the occasional existential crisis.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Until then, remember, stay fabulous, stay curious, and always remember
to blend your foundation down your neck.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Bye bye.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
I mean that's insane. So but the problem with that,
that's no, Let me adjust it. What do you want
to tell them?

Speaker 1 (34:40):
That's it? They?

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, let's give it direct notes.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Let me hear your what was your original.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Prompt a podcast between two best friends discussing wellness and
beauty through comedic lens that is also exis potential at times.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Right, so like a podcast that is sort of confusing
because it's like, is this so like.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
How do you more conversational?

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I know what it's going to do?

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Include references to the great thinkers?

Speaker 1 (35:16):
How about like and look how fast? Don't hear?

Speaker 4 (35:19):
We use?

Speaker 3 (35:19):
We got the new one?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
All right, send it.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
This one is called Beauty, Wellness and Philosophical BFFs. Wait,
hang on, hand on Okay, sorry, got it? Go so fast,
it's already done.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Okay, wait, well that yeah, yeah, there's something really interesting
about realizing that it doesn't require elapsement in time.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Okay, hey there, welcome back to another episode of Beauty,
Wellness and Philosophical BFFs. I mean, that's a bad title,
but I'm Kate.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
And I'm Jacqueline. You're a partner in existential beauty crises.
Today we're diving into the deep end of skincare and
the meaning of life.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Absolutely, because what better way to ponder the universe than
while applying sheet mask?

Speaker 1 (36:00):
You know it? I mean Socrates might have said no thyself,
but I think he'd agree that glow thyself is just
as important.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
I mean, you could literally sell this to a shady
company for fourteen million dollars. I know, all right, keep
it going totally, and to Kart. I think therefore I
am glowing exactly.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
I'm pretty sure he never had to decide between I
cream and more sleep.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
And don't get me started on Nietzsche. What doesn't kill
you makes you stronger? But does it also make you
more radiant? Nietzsche said, what doesn't.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Kill you make a stronger question?

Speaker 4 (36:31):
I know, sorry, I think so, but like not not
actually okay, it was I think it was contextual. He
was trying to actually come down to those phrase.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, that phrase. I think he'd approve of our quest
for the perfect shade of lipstick, though.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Okay, for sure, it's all about embracing the inner uber
mensh one lip liner at a time.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
And let's not forget Kureker Guard.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Sometimes deciding on a facewash feels like making an ex
essential leap of faith.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, okay, so this one sucks more, but absolutely to Foremer,
not to film, that's the question.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
And cam I mean, this is like you're giving him
a Camu. The absurdity of life is matched only by
the absidity of try trying to blend conjuring. I mean
this is like the worst demgation of AI we've seen.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
No, that's bad.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
I just mean, like it's kind of interesting. Like to me,
it's like.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I just said, I just said, make it fun I.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Mean, doesn't GBT thy'll have like real ship in there,
Like back to you could write, like, wait, what.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Laugh lines is genius? I said make it funnier, and
they came back with something that's anyway.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I mean I think.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Like, well, for one, I think jud GBT you can
write in like write Caperlin and Jacqueline okay, like doing whatever, I.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Know, discuss whatever.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
So I'm even more amateur.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I mean I'm a little afraid, like generate.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
A dialogue dialogue between between Poop Pop Jacqueline Novac on
there between Pooh Poo.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Discussing Let's give it a topic, Yeah, great, Interstellar.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Discussing the film Interstellar.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
And don't react until let me see it so we
can react together.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Don't Okay, Okay, I'm not. I'm just copying it. It's
going fast. Okay, here we go, let's read it live raw.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
You gotta send it to me.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Okay, hello, and welcome back to Pooh, your source for
all things existential and unexpectedly hilarious.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
I'm Kate Berlant, and I'm Jacqueline Novak, your residents skeptic
turned philosopher skincare. Today we're diving into the cosmic depths
of Interstellar. Kate, what were your cosmic vibes after watching
this film? I hate the world and discuss Jacqueline, Interstellar
took me on a journey. It's like Christopher Nolan meets
a black hole and suddenly we're contemplating love across dimensions.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
I want to know this is okay, This isn't like.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
You know, oh my god, oh my god. No, no, no,
you say at one point, it's like no one was
showing us the cosmic ballet of particles and emotions, just
like finding the perfect serum. It's a delicate dance between
science and self care. It's like, that doesn't make sense.
Hans Zimmer. Hans Zimmer's score was like the serum to
my soul, stirring up emotions.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah see, I've never used jet literally and like, but
but but what I'm finding interesting is like I'm starting
to think chet GPT is there to be bad okay,
to to throw everyone off the scent of AI.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
No, totally totally like because it's actually coming laugh lines.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Whoa, I'm just thinking about but I mean pure transparent.
And see I was I was sitting there going controlling
myself from telling you I could have come up with
laugh lines Okay, yeah, of course, I mean that's you could, Okay, going,
that's which. Of course I could, you know I could.
I literally was like jealous of you thinking that it

(40:14):
was genius.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Like I was actually think it's genius. I think that's right.
We would never Actually, it's just like it's so funny
because it's exactly responding to swim that there would be
a cultural appetite for which is a podcast called Laughlins
from two you know bitches. Yeah, like you could pitch
a podcast called laughlines to two actresses in their early
sixties and they discussed aging. Yeah, a comical.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Twist, that's a humor exactly, not taking ourselves too seriously. Yeah,
I mean that was just like plug in first half
of sentence, existential second half of sentence, like reference a
beauty thing and then jam them together syntactically. Yeah, like
that's what that was, you know what I mean, Oh yeah,
them faking the right the chat gb TV being like,

(41:00):
you know, throwing us off the scent of the real shit,
totally like that.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
There was an article about this.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
We talked about it, I think, but like it was
like everyone's like whatever, I can't go down.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
It's it's too I'll get there eventually. I'll get there eventually,
you know. I mean, I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
It's like I believe that art, Okay, if you're an
artist will always there's always it will always find a
way because it is it is an instinct that responds
to whatever's going on, right, I'm not saying I'm not
talking about obviously jobs industry.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Of course you're talking about the pure No, I know completely,
you know.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
But but like you there's no circumstance where I believe
can't be an artist complete even if like no one's watching,
I mean you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
No, no, I'm not talking about the human impulse toward
that at all, or I was.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, no, and I know you weren't.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
I just saying it for my own I mean, And
then there's the whole thing of like you know, and
I'm sure it's a faulty metaphor, but like, okay, the
second the cameras invented, painting become irrelevant, you know, No,
but painting as the way the way to represent accuracy
to you know, to re produce an accurate image.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Obviously like well this so that advent of photography. People
were raging against it because they were like, this is
literally going to replicate the known world, and we're not
going to have the real world won't mean anything anymore.
But by the way, that is what has happened. It
just took much longer, and that will continue to happen
and the roial world will always mean something, of course.
But the way photography threatened, you know, specifically painting, they

(42:42):
were like, this is going to if you can replicate
the world, then why would we have painters.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
And never feels oh, actually now we really have painters.
I mean like like now I think there are like
now painters are having to say or or they did say, no,
you've missed the point. It was never about replication or
only replication. Maybe it was when you were a patron
of you know, the mediciese or whatever. Yeah, you know,

(43:09):
oh it's compelling what happened there? Right, completely, No, Like
I remember my grandfather, I've probably talked to this, but
like standing in like MoMA, like I used to sometimes
go with my like New York, you know, grandfather to
museums and you know he loved you know, shows me
like mona whatever. But but then we're like at MoMA

(43:30):
or something and having a discussion about like the canvas.
It's just like a blue square, you know what I mean.
And I'm like feeling like, no, it's it's meaningful. It
just fucking is totally of course, of course it is.
It's asking me to stand in front of the color blue.
It's doing a thousand things, a million all right, thank god.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
The presence, the presence, thank god, and it shall never die.
But there also is an unmistakable yeah and as yeah,
we're not even talking about through the lens of like
capital or jobs. Just surely on like a base impulsive,
somatic level, it will never die.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Like it'll if they go, well, yeah, I can write
a story as good as you like.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Well, by the way, no you can't. But it's also
about what the appetite is, you know, it's like growing
appetite audiences being truly like.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Like animation didn't replace live action, right right, like in
terms of having value, like live action still has value.
And it's like it's like, but look, we can make
we can tell these stories by just having these you know,
these things move around whatever. And it's sort of like
or or things having value like provenance, you know, like

(44:47):
it's like the person attached to the thing and the
larger story of these people made this thing has value.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Of course, I like to think, I would hope, but
this is actually what's being threatened in no way that
I just actually I don't know anymore, but I would
like to think humans will be able to detect humanity
behind something, but we are going into territory where we
absolutely won't be able to. And that's that's like the
critical difference. And I do think, yeah, or just like this,

(45:17):
standing in front of another person, standing physically in front
of painting embodied physical existence, I think is going to
have more power now, or it's going to be going
to be sought after because the world is becoming so
rapidly digitized and flattened, and so we will always crave
that or want that, but it won't be the thing

(45:38):
of we won't be able to detect it. So right
now it's so you know, obvious and like it's so
crude still like the chat cheepy tee thing. This is
crude with it. But then now you know this is
happening with video stuff and the sounds. I mean, it's
not being able to tell the difference. This is the
truth and that's what's yea, and already we can't.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
I mean, although I did start to wonder.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
If okay, if you have a closed system Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
No, no, no, a robot was that a robotic foot?

Speaker 4 (46:12):
My foot stepped on a vacuum vacuum cleaner and it
turned on.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Shout out to shark Ninja for really sending us some fabulous.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Vacuum Okay, shot shark Ninja.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
The creamy is here, honey.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
The creamy has arrived, although I've yet to use it
because I was a little confused saying I have to
cream were confusing.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
We're saying creamy July, so it's not creamy July. It Yeah,
so you've been saying that around that lock in, lock
in creamy July. Okay, Oh, I locked in like months ago.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Wait, but I will say just before we move on that,
I started to wonder if you have a closed system
of internal thought, like you have a robot that believes
it's real. Okay, oh, or you have a set of
neurons whatever, okay in a box.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
You know why why why might why not might God
give it a soul? The robot?

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Or like let's say someone, Yeah, let's say someone created
a robot that physically like, operates like a human, looks
like a human, the whole thing. Like, it's like, why
might God be like that looks like a suitable container?
And I'm speaking obviously whatever, why why because like carbon
you know what I mean, Like, I'm.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Just saying, like why, like, because it doesn't have a
soul and it never will. It's made only of what
hasn't put into it. Oh God, No, I know. I mean, hey,
this is a big question.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
No, I mean because so much of us.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Act automated, So many humans are we are automated in
so many ways, and we have downloaded all the materials
from previous and generations and we don't do ancestor work enough.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
But I'm just saying, can't find and it's it's you
can't locate consciousness, you know, it's like the hard problem
of consciousness I think is I always forget which one
is the hard problem of consciousness, Like the hard problem.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
It's like you could see the thoughts.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Moving around in the brain, but what you cannot find
is who or what awareness is experiencing those thoughts. That's
nowhere in the brain, the little person in the brain
experiencing all the sensory where are they? Okay, you see,
like who's having the thoughts? And that's why some beliefs
are like there is one great awareness that you're tuned
into awareness behind it all, and then you kind of
have this illusion of your individuality, the illusion of separateness,

(48:38):
like is a part of the large consciousness splitting off thinking.
It's not a part of forgetting that it's you know,
and that's the ego, and that's the and the creation
of the universe with all of its individuals is an
expression of that.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
That's like a kind of one version.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
And it's so much of it. Also, it's the mystery
thing of like what there was that it was like
that famous article from a million years ago, but about
studying bats, like there were studying bats and bat consciousness
and like how bats we saw and how they like
their everything, And it was like we can learn everything

(49:17):
about the bat, but we'll never know what it's like
to be a bat.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Yeah, well there's that thing you can't prove other people
have minds. M. It's like similar to the like I
am a I don't know humanist, you know, I am
a whatever, but I took it. I was able to
go far enough to this point in a conversation of
like like.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Why am I valuing my carbon like based molecule?

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Like I just saw it. I just saw you like
in some future version of yourself as your politician, like
a pro robot politician, and you're like it's like it's
like thousands of robots like praising you, and there's big
banners of you, and and it's like who am I
to sa God doesn't recognize you as having a soul,
and all the robots are like yeah, and you're like
it's like this real issue, like and some people find

(50:08):
you to be like the most vile terrifying, like like
you know, figure that's going to destroy humanity, And other
people are like, honestly, like I feel like I'm not
allowed to say this, but I do kind of feel
like my home robot like has a soul and like
They've been a great companion to me, and like who
am I to kind of like is that that's so?
You as like the robot mother and you it's.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
So I love it, and you as my media, you
know you as he is my pr he was my
careful campaign managers.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Like, listen, I love that you think the robots have.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
This is a very good but very good probably.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
By the way, this is HBO what used to be.
This is old school HBO. Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
This is unbelievable, and this is why it's real. It's
like like I'm coming from like a god place, like
I'm coming from a very you always come o my
God place, God first place, and going like like almost humble,
like I can't prove you know that I exist. I
can't this robot can't you know? Like it's just.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Always like nice when someone's just scratching their neck while talking,
like look at them. What it's ah was like when

(51:39):
you are desperate and it's time to pray. Okay, like
you're just like right now and praying. What do the
words sound like in your head? And are there I
mean I'm assuming it's.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Verbal, Yeah, I go verbal.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Sometimes I'm just curious, like what are the words like,
is it like please God blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Yeah, yeah, No, I was like thinking about like the
spontaneous monologue of like of like.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Help me, help me to be Yeah, Like.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
And I just just thinking about spontaneous you know, prayer,
you know, one end complete like recitation, you know, on
the other end, right, Hail Mary whatever, and then like
maybe in between, I feel like there's a like how

(52:32):
much cliche okay, how much common language of prayer? It's
kind of collage of the culture slipping in like like
so so if the word lord comes to me because
I hear Carolyn May okay, she says like Lord, okay,
like she's talking to prayer, and she's like and you know,
and I'll say lord or whatever, and so it like

(52:54):
flows in right, Oh.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah, totally. Lords will. Creator is one that's kind of
like hmm. It's like my like Cabala podcast. I always
talking about like the creator, divine creator from like a creator.
The creator to me has like like I don't have
God baggage because again I hasn't raised religious or whatever
creator sounds.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
No, it's it's creator.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
It's the same word as realtor, as builder.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
It's a it's an er, you know, it's an earth thing. Yeah,
so it's it's.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Like and it sounds like an egotistical thing that if
God were to name itself, it wouldn't call itself that.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Yeah, totally. And I don't do well with spirit too.
People say spirit as a way to like sidestep God. Yeah,
like say God.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
They say it like sushi, you know, like like a
kind of vague sort of it could mean it means
the plurality, like.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Like spirit, but say spirit. I don't mean to say, yeah, no,
it's fine, who cares. But you know what, it's a
weird thing too. Have you ever heard medical people talk
about I was talking to an old friend who works
in medicine. She was talking about where they say baby
by the way they talk about like a pregnant they say,
so they go baby, Oh oh, they go, so fourteen
weeks baby.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Yeah, it's well to be introduced jargon.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
I just had the classic kind of horror movie thing
of you have a baby and then they turn out
to be evil and they try to kill you whatever.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
I was just talking about this with a expert in in.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Literally crazy sort of horror. Like a week ago.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Yeah, I was having a text Crazy Baby, when Baby's
Become Crazy.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
That's the book Connect.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Okay, I literally said, it's I'll shout him out, Harold Scheckter.
He's he's my friend, Richard Scheckter, No, okay, a professor
of pop culture. And I like text him and it's
he he's like my friend. You know, I grew up
in his office. It was all the creepy things like

(55:00):
and it was fabulous. Oh yeah, like Tarantula's and the
little mini guillotines and and like disturbing art. And but
I literally said to him, why, Like I go, what
do you think hasn't been done in the horror genre
that represents a repression so strong it hasn't even bubbled
up yet in horror? Because that's not the movie I

(55:22):
want to make, right, Yeah, And like I go, like,
we've grown so accustomed to processing some unconscious fear through
say the genre of.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
The evil child or demon baby.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Like once something's almost a genre, has it lost its
ability to be cathartic or is it healed in the psyche?
And I don't know need to reply now because they're
just like out of nowhere and then just some thoughts.
I'm sure you have major insight on It's a good question.
I've often pondered the question of whether it's possible to
come up with a new type of monster. He goes, obviously,
I just love like obviously, you know, He's like, obviously,

(55:56):
Thomas Harris did it with the now mythical Hannibal Lecter
that was already a quarter century ago.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
I was trying to think, like, it's almost like ift
to go really banal, like that'd be the most scary thing, Like, yeah, exactly,
Like the most scary thing is like, what if you
didn't know who you were anymore and you were doing
things that what's scary? Well, I said, I was like,

(56:24):
what's my greatest fear? I was like, or I was like, oh,
you know what's so terrifying The idea of people being
unhappy in their lives, being rewarded for it for some choice,
and not being able.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
To get out devil Devil's agreement.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Not being able to doing insomnia horror, someone who can
never sleep and they've lost their mind. It sucks.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Oh, it's all good. I'm like silent because I'm like
saving ideas for the cinema.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
I'm like, literally, I was. I was like, oh, like
someone who.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Because he's like I was seeing it about the new monster.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
It's interesting creating a new monster.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
And he's like, well, I think what Harris did was
hit on the way to incarnate archetypal evil in a
specifically modern day form. That's archetype's work and his diabolical genius,
his manipulative brilliance, et cetera. Elector is Satan in the
guise of a serial killer, and he goes, he's also
seductive in the way that Lucifer.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Is, and I go, yeah, he's a delight.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
And he goes, unless you're the FBI guy who was
made in his own brains, I was like, oh, I
forgot about it, but I was thinking about when electters
like right, it's not scary to me. It's sort of
like a bummer, Like it's like he's suddenly well it's goofy.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
It's goofy.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
It's and like not, it's sort of like he becomes
very plain when he's actually getting down.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
He becomes very.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Agreed you don't want to actually see it, but gets
it's crazy, like when he eats the guards hell face,
it was loud.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
You heard that, right, I heard that, but it didn't
sound fucked up to me.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
I think it's just the door.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
But I gave him some ideas and he goes, I go, well, like,
what about something sort of whatever?

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Whatever. He goes, I don't consider that horror.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
You might also explore theories on the distinction between terror
and horror. And I was like, okay, yeah, And then relatedly,
he goes one last thing. One of my favorite Emily
Dickinson poems about the source of horror are hidden selves?

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Shall I read it?

Speaker 3 (58:24):
I think you know the answer.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
One need not be a chamber to be haunted. Yeah,
one need not be a house. The brain has corridors
surpassing material place far safer of a midnight meeting external
ghost than an interior confronting that cooler host. Far safer

(58:47):
through an abby gallop, the stones, a chase than moonless.
One's a self encounter in lonesome place. Our self behind,
our self concealed should startle most assassin, and hid in
our apartment be horror's least. The prudent carries a revolver,
he bolts the door, or looking a superior specter more

(59:10):
near hmm, behind you like my dashes were a little off,
but my pauses.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah, it's always funny when poems rhyme a little bit.
I it's like, it's.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Like so much to say about it.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Well, the ones where it forces it, like where it
forces you to be like serpentine to make it work.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
In the previous line, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
But I am very happy to be recording today and
I'm happy for the next one because I am stressed out.
It is it is wild. Heart rate soars before bed.
I can see it. I'm a dang Okay, I see
it jumps up high, high, high high, when it's like
almost night.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
And this is what I know. This it's the terror
of another day, loss to time and add.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
It's never lost.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I know.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
I'm sorry stressed. You know it could help.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Meditation, hanging out, well, the social is really good for
the brain.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Oh well, you need it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
But you know, I got to get a day's work
in and then.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Not every day. Can't work every day? Really absolutely not crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Well, but you said the thing about the Sabbath, and
I just want to say, because I think in Maranogulized
stunning new book All Fours, there's a thing about like
the weekly being like masculine like the the because like
talking about basically like the monthly. You know, we have
a monthly cycle, you and me, not to brag, how

(01:00:44):
to show off. Okay, that builds in, like in theory,
a week of rest, that would be like we would
probably be better off if we just had one week a month,
Sam saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
I'm definitely averaging weekly is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Pushing the plea is forcing a cycle in a man's
world like it's it's it's inputting a day of rest
where there wouldn't be one or something, right, I can't
remember exactly, like whatever, No, it's interesting, Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Yeah, come over for Sabbath. Obviously I'm not going to
be able to actually stick to it every week, but
once a month.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Yeah. I think.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
In conclusion, I think going home with plant based could
change your entire experience of your digestion cape.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
But I am mostly plant based.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
No, But that's that's what I'm saying. I'm not talking
about the absence of other things adding in getting you
to get a dozen in every day.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
I'm all about it. I'm really interested and I'm gonna
do it. You know what, I'm gonna start doing it tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Will you do a test of ground flax and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
See if I told you ground floxed me and my stomach. No,
I know, but I'm wondering I did too much? You
ground it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
What was the deal?

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Fox seed meal?

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
I just look into it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
But you know brown flock seeds tablespoon a day, that's
one of the things. Yeah, okay, I'll do it. I
know you're getting beans every day. Are you getting cruciferous
vegetable every day? No, so that you need a serving
of I'm not getting beans every day, to be honest,
all right, you need a fourth of a cup. I
recall you last week saying saying that's not easy. It's nothing.

(01:02:29):
I'm just experimenting with shoving it onto people.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Will you send me again? You parents the list somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Like it's impossible to find, and it was like literally in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
The link, well it was there was like behind then
I oh shit, all right, I'm often calls.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
I have to go, You're out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
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