June 13, 2023 • 48 mins
This week's episode is a re-airing of a Poog classic, as the hags weave a path through: The danger of the third rail. Coffee. The leap from skim milk to whole milk. Calcium. Kate explains a recent allergic reaction. Osteoporosis. The addiction to epiphanies is wrestled with. Jacqueline urges Kate to watch Joy Luck Club. The romance and intensity of the movie theater experience is explored. The hags expand on the experience of separating from the group and going to the bathroom alone. They beg for resort access.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kate Berlan, I'm Jacqueline Novak.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
And this is poog, an ongoing conversation about wellness between
two obsessive friends.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Two untamable intellects. This is our hobby, This is our hell.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is our naked desire for free products. This is poog.
Today's topics, loosely speaking, Cat's Away Chris Cooper resorts. Well,
today's a very special close because the cats away and
the mice will play.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
They'd have forgot about the recording. So the little hags
are here, all alone, little hags.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
But no, no watchful eye.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I know, you know, a mother's eye. What will happen?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Will happen?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Will we happen? Will we run off the rail? You
know what if we go off the fucking.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Rail in the rail you know, out of terror train tracks?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yes or no? Do you like walking alongside them weaving
onto the rail? You know? Do you enjoy that flirtation?
Are living in New York for so long? The third rail?
The third the threat of the third rail was always well, they.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Had an assembly because there is none in La like
I mean there's no I mean there are trains there,
I guess in the third rails how most trains operate.
But there was a full assembly in my elementary school
strictly devoted to the third rail in warning the children.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I guess, like there had to have been some serious
Third world deaths.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
How could the children even get down there? It's the truth?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I mean, I guess they're playing you know, you're showing.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Off climbing in the mountain, yeah, like heading down the
like they you know, bust in, like they sneak onto
the tracks. But I always thought, well, first of all,
I mean, how can there be something exposed okay at all?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
If you touch it, you're dead crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I know you're begging for it, and that there isn't
like a glass tube you're begging You're so right, please,
there should not.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
That's my other thing about the third rail is like
this is just a thing in my head is that
I've always thought it would be funny to be a
third rail denier. Okay, So like like al, I like,
I'm like, you know it's fake, right, Oh my, it's
totally fine.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Just like I think as a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You're saying that thing about it being exposed, Like yeah,
I'm always shocked people aren't just like dying constantly, and
people are dying constantly obviously, but I mean like it's
amazing that we go like, yeah, I have this experience
where if I'm if I'm in my car and I'm
stopped at a light and let's say there's like an
old man crossing the street, I'm like, yes, how the
hell did you make it this far? Like the miracle
(02:29):
of not dying? That's so overwhelming to me. And when
I see someone like seeing like a like elderly people
or even just someone just casually in their late fifties,
which is still young by all the court.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
It's like like, look at that streak. You're like, it's
fifty years without death.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Shocking, Like like you debated death every day for fifty years.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
If you created a human, like you were able to
create a human today, right, and you were like, Okay,
I made this incredible thing, right, this machine and you
like sends out in the world, you'd be like watching
it like it's fucked.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Surely it's fucked.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Like there to like it's like, well, it has intelligence,
you know, it doesn't want to die usually you know, yeah, allegedly,
so you're like it's still going like even like the
selfware robot that wants to live is still going.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's like, damn, I was about to just now as
you were saying the robot. I was about to be like,
I'm exhausted with AI and the interest in it and like,
but then immediately I was like, no, there is something there.
I was immediately like I wanted to just.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
No, dismiss Well, they guess.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm exhausted with AI in film. Oh, well, so we've
we've certainly, you know, we've depleted.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
What of the soul, like, we've depleted the question of
whether or not the robot can love also.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Robots eyes opening and then turning and then acknowledgement. That's
what I was about to be like, I'm bored by that,
but I'm like, there is something kind of fundamentally that
fundamental question, And of course I'm fascinated by the idea
of the devil right, and I think the double continues
to be a motif that I'm at absolutely into.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
My way, completely interested in. So you can't take your
eye off you know, that's want to know he gets you.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I can't wait for I know we're thinking about it.
I know it's but we we are going to have
interstellar poog and I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
But we warned them. I'm gonna have to get on that.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
We have to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I have to make a note.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
There was something you said anyway, and oh, well that too,
I do. Okay, So I want to talk about the
foods I've been eating late at night and you have
as well.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I want to talk about that. You know what I
have here?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
What?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Coffee a la coloone, but iced coffee?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Wow? Does that have a wait? I want to try
to guess the milk based on the color.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Okay, this, by the way, is a little darker my
ideal tone of coffee. My ideal color is I don't
even know how to describe it.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But yeah, what is that like?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
There to be creaminess, but I still want it to
maintain its brownness.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You don't want to push over into into just crunch
milk such creamy I don't want.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Honestly, last year I made the huge revelation that I
don't like lattes, and that's lifted. That elevated me because
an ice latte. If you go to a coffee shop
and you watch them prepare an ice latta, you go, oh,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
A glass, a glass of milk.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, it's a glass glass milk, by the way, enjoy.
I am not here to a latte enthusiast.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
But I'd go into a store that would sell a
glass of milk and open that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It would be nice, right, go on the milk shop. Yeah,
I used to. This is the power of advertising. I've
always been completely seduced by advertising. Even as a very
young child, I was aware of like its effect on
me was so profound, and milk like the got milk
adds and also whatever was being pushed there in the
nineties for milk worked on me, got me, got in
(05:48):
my bones. No pun intended so deeply that I would
want to drink a glass of milk after school. It
was almost like it was like a nationalist impulse within
me that somehow to be strong and be like a
good kid and be a good student, Like I needed
to drink a big glass of milk when I got home.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, there is a it's like it's like brand. It's
always Protestant for you, it's hysterical. It always goes back
to a Protestant ethos. Yeah, yeah, God, I remember I
probably talked about some poog I don't know. But we
had skim milk in which I thought was skim milk
as a young child, but whatever it was like And
(06:27):
then I remember I had I think two percent in
my friend's house one day.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And it was It was a goddamn revelation.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Can you imagine skim to two I can't imagine going.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Like realizing skim was water the whole time.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh yeah, skim milk is blue.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
It's it's blue water exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I because, as you know, I don't have a dairy allergy,
although I do mostly milks.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
We never get to the milk. I mean, what is it?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Oat?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
This is oat milk, yeah, which I everyone knows. I'm
trying to get off of it. I for a long
time making my own milks. Sorry, and then I bought
store bought Oatly, and I was like, oh, who cares,
you know, throw health out the window. We're gonna get
into it oatly.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I'm sorry, Wait, what's not the carroagene?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Should not be drinking it every day?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Is it carroagene? Or do they milk themselves?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
It's the palm oil. Yeah, it's all It's a highly
processed food. It's the truth. I'm sorry. It's devastating and
so I but listen to me. I bought some whole
milk on real. The color of it too, the red,
there is nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Because I associate the red is God. I forgot about
this in kindergarten. It was like some it was like
so in kindergarten, there was like the snack period or whatever,
and they would bring in this like you know, tray
of milks, okay, the little milks and the little mini cartons,
and there were red ones and blue ones okay, and.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I think I was and I think it was I
think I was a blue one.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I think blue was skim and red was whole, and
I was just used to skim it.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Home. My mother used to also do a thing.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
This is like again, why I think I'm permanently dehydrated,
which is like, so, you know, there's two things.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I feel it was never modeled for me. I've never
heard her ask for water, okay, but like in someone's home.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But she used to first of all, water down orange juice,
like like poor little orange juice in a thing in a.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Glass, and then just like whoa with the filled up.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It was almost like this idea, like I mean, it
was almost an early anti juice an understanding of juice.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Is sugary anti juice behavior.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, and it was sort of like whoa, And it
was almost just like thing like like where she's just like, oh, well,
I hate like the density of juice. So but then
she would also be like, oh, let me get you
a glass of water, and then she would fill it
up like a third of the way, like a small
glass a tumbler.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, that we both have kind of dehydrated mothers. But
what does that mean? But wait, milk, God, damn it,
there's something about milk.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Sorry you were talking about hole like I took us away.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I got really excited. It's fine, but just yeah, a
whole milk And oh, this is what I was going
to say that my my mom about advertising and that
my mom, you know, a child of the forties, her
belief in milk and meat. But like milk, and I
remember from a young age almost she was like, osteoporos
(09:10):
is strong bones milk. And then I guess I was
in a young age, but I started being like, you know,
milk actually dairy. It's actually kind of not true, right,
That's that's like an advertiser. This is like a this
is what you've learned from advertising, and we kind of
got into it. Oh wow, No, but I really wanted to.
I was trying to tell her that, like, that's just
not true and her belief in milk and milk as
(09:33):
calcu as calcium and protein, which is true. There's more
protein and a glass of milk than there than there
isn't a glass of oat milk. I mean essentially, you know,
oat milk, right, is less healthy than a glass o milk?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Have any protein? I mean, I guess, wait, but how
do you get calcium? Other is calcium one of those
ones that you know how they're like you have to
eat a banana for your calcium and it's like, no,
actually you could get it from spinach.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Him as I believe super prevalent in greens.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It always.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Wows to me, there's like so much calcium and Tini.
I want to just write a love letter to Tahini.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
M God.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, when you realize, when you realize the hummus was
Tahini the whole time, I know.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I mean, I don't know if that's even true, but
I feel like I had.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
A moment dragging a pickle through a hummus where.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It was like, my friend got this jar of tahini
and we just started dipping things in it, and I wait,
is there teini and hummus?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Am I dead wrong? Do you know what I'm saying? Well,
I mean you can have a pure chick hummus. I'm
humiliated right now.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
We don't be you typically I wouldn't if I'm making
an at home hummus right, glorious in there, right, but
you don't usually know the creaminess is just there. You'll
add some olive oil. Perhaps, Oh god.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I'm Jewish.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I'm looking at it because I googled it and it's
going classic Jewish repisude. And that's maybe that's where I'm
getting it from. What does tahini?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Are you not into babba ganush i?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Adore the cold round flavors of baba ganoosh okay? App
absolutely And yeah, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I knew there was something here. I get yeah with.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Egg plant mouth, gim mouth okay. And because I have
other allergies, I'm like, is this am I progression the
allergy with every taste and moving it forward towards full
blown and a phylaxis.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, guess what you know? I talk about edging in
relation to allergies.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I oh right, pineapple.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Okay, so no bananas a little bit, but I ate
them all time. Walnuts, but I earlier in the air
was it three years ago? Due to COVID all time
has collapsed. But I ate a cookie from Arawan that
had an almond flower based choate chocolate chip cookie. My
mouth starts to itch. The next day, it's still itching.
It's red on the inside. So I go to the
(11:50):
doctor because I'm scared. My tongue is a little bit larger. Yeah,
I get there. They go, you have to go to
the ar What because if your tongue continues to expand,
it's gonna block your when pipe are gonna You're gonna
die on the.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Grabsolute sheer terror. My my lower stomach just sees was.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Alone in Glendale, which is already very hard, and I
proceeded to call my call fourteen people. I went. I
drove myself to the goddamn ar and it's I was
completely fine. Yeah, but just being there in the narrative
of I'm at the er, I started to get completely woozy.
I kind of limped up to the window and so
(12:27):
they're gonna tell me them my tongue is going to
expand I'm not being able to breathe. They're like, can
you breathe? And I said yes, but I soon might
not be able to.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Sorry, And then.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I went My mother came and god, and I was
laid down. They intravenously, intravenously intravenously gave me steroids and
that was fine, but uh.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Wait, I have something to say. Well two things. One, okay,
data has arrived for it was not well told it
has arrived or just waiting to be let in. We'll
let her in a second because I want to.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I don't want to break the thought the thought Yeah okay,
but there's two things about the allergy thing.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh, I once heard this.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Story from this this man that that.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
He was in a doctor's office was some kind of issue.
Maybe it was. I don't think it was allergy, though,
it was some kind of reaction to something.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Maybe he's like and the doctor was like, saw what
was happening and was like, in a couple of seconds,
you're not going to be able to breathe, okay, and
he's like what And then he couldn't breathe and the
doctor like, I got a scalpel and just like no trake,
Yatti made him like with a single like they lifted
up like a sword and just just like opened up
his throat and like Franto is trake. Also in film,
(13:34):
I hate that exists, like doing a you know, back
Alley trake in film, in action movies like oh we
got to trake him quick with a pen.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
That whole spirit, I.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Don't think I've seen that.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
But I hate sensational like I want us all to learn,
to all to know.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And then the wait, there was something damn it I
was dying to tell you about. Oh osteo, the ostio question.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You know that we almost have to go to break,
but we do bring an a pross into the conversation
as what it.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Will be fun is as we'll bring pay and go.
We're just finishing up our first fifteen.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
It'll be rare.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Do you remember what the vitamins were. There were little
chocolate squares. This is also my mother calcium active by active, Yes,
the calcium cheese, candy cast, calcium choose. And I remember
also my early interest in kind of like food as
like what was poison or something, because I remember being like,
I don't think that's really calcium and she was really
hell bent on goddamn by active and the bactive choose Ye,
(14:25):
we're a permanent.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Presences as a noun is funny.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Chewing vitamins, Like if you go to an adult who's
insisting on chewable vitamins, an adult who has gummy vitamins
in their home.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well, by the way, I look into the still a camera,
they're looking at one right now. I'm trying to figure
it out with it, like you're earlier staring into the
eyes of one right now, what chooses you actually don't
right now? Okay, but there have been periods of my
life where I go like, it's you know, swallowing supplements
is kind of exhausting.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
You know, someone who doesn't drink enough water. It's like
it's quite a challenge to take all those SIPs.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And so there have been times where I'm like, if
they were chewy, if I was able to have a
bag of gummy bears where each one was an individual supplement, right,
Sometimes put in a dream world be a dream. However,
you know, I began researching and they're all filled with availability.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's absolutely hell, Okay, we gotta go, we gotta go.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Oh and that too, Yeah, all right, let me okay,
we'll be right back right.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Okay, and we're back and we're gonna let Theda in
and let her know what has occurred. Or do we
prank her and pretend we haven't started yet and then
start and then go we're done.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Oh my god, what I'm saying. I think she really
we got a talented We did her first segment.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Here she comes Theta AMERICU. So, hey, Theta.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
So you'll be thrilled to know that we just wrapped
the fifteen and we let the people know that. And
now we've just started. We're thirty seconds into the second.
When we told the people, they know that you're coming in.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
We let you in.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
The excitement, the thrill, welcome, the mice were away. Yeah,
and we and boy did we play Oh Theta, Theata.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
We're cooking. It's all good. We're flying.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Okay, great, okay, So back to back to osteoporosis.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Oh they I have an anecdote. Yeah, I've probably told
you this. This is one of those like things that
has stuck in my head ever since I heard it,
You know how like you always hear about old people
like breaking their hip.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Okay, of course that was one of my greatest fears.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
They fall and break their hip.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
This was then it all goes to hell because the
bone breaks and releases toxins into their system. I think
that's what it is. Okay, So the bones have well
eighty years of poison in them and then it breaks
and it like I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
No, no, hey, look it up.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I don't have time, but I think that's what.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Well, what I was going to say was this was
the anecdote stunned me, okay, or they're the sort of
verbal flip they go. They didn't fall and break their hip.
Their hip broke and so they fell that in a minute.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Take that in for a minute.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
No, I thought were gonna be like there, pushed by
an angel. I didn't know what you were saying.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
That is, so do you you see like the weakness
of the bone.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Oh my god, talk about chicken or the egg.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, talk about chicken under the egg and yeah, they're
not all just slipping and falling on their hip.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I mean, it's like, that's why it's a thing.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
They're they're shattering and I know that there's a kind
of osteo thing and at least genetically somewhat in my family.
I know that my mom osti penia or something. It's
not osteo whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
But yeah, I've got yeah, something's going way.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And I'm wondering if I'm.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Got a strength train doing enough.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Oh well, I just I just read something late in
the night. In addition to strength train, are you ready? Yeah,
you pound the bones themselves.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
They get stronger.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Okay, So think of a martial arts person pounding on
the wood, okay, like with their with the side of
their head boom boom boom, or their shin.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Or their elbow, pound your bone.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Just it's not it's not just that they finally figure
out how to you know, maneuver their chie okay, to
break the wood.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
The bone gets stronger.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Okay, there's micro tears and then a honeycomb structure forms,
just like a muscle. So it's a similar thing to
a muscle, but with the bone, and you get these
stronger bones. So you can strengthen your bone, okay, through
pounding it. And I'm starting to think that's crazy. I'm listening.
I'm interested. They're a gun on the.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Bone, honeycomb by the honeycomb like derailed me. You said,
honeycomb and then I was like honeycomb and thinking about honey,
thinking about honey, you know, and stop now. But yeah,
that's always for you. You're always about physical manipulation. I
can't help it, which I love about you. You bring
that to the table.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
And yet I also I also feel that you know,
you know, everything healthwise starts in the on the energetic plane,
and you know if you could nip it in the
bud there, then further downstream it won't land in the flesh.
Is the is the promise that they, you know, the
promise of the healing world, the sprintzes and the sprints.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Isn't such just to derail us or go somewhere new? Yeah,
not new. But I had kind of a I'm realizing
something about myself. And this is also deeply puggy in yes,
and potentially threatening the very thesis of Poog itself. But
I'm realizing for myself. I, of course, as we all know,
have an addiction to thinking right, me too, me too,
me too. The disease of perception runs deep for me,
(19:14):
et cetera. I cannot continue to have epiphanies. I think
my reliance on epiphanies is really damaging.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Quite huge. I'm sorry, this is quite simply huge.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I know, I know, okay, and I'm kind and I'm like,
I don't really know what to do anymore. Because I
seek epiphanies. I seek them out, I work my way
into them. I have them. I have this kind of
you know experience, I'm suddenly released from something. And you know,
this is one of my closest friends. I'm constantly searching
for for you.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's a it's a biprop and new truth.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You free me. I'm looking into people's eyes, free me,
free me. Yes. And I'm like, and it's it's not
as simple as oh, I have to fear myself. No,
it's that we'll never get out.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
No, no, I was making that point.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, no, no, no, I know, but I'm just saying that,
like my epiphanies and the way I'm like, I got it,
this is what it is, right.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Totally like and of course that like.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I, well, we're addicted to that, and you and me
are addicted to that. And that's why, poog, that is
why the thesis of proof continuous epiphanies, right, or the
promise of these epiphanies, and.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Like even in this even in my acknowledgment of no
more epiphanies right now either. I didn't even get out either.
I know, I'm like, I'm like, this is what it
is now. But my I mean, as I think I've said,
I'm poog. My therapist literally told me to go to therapyists,
which is just unbelievable. That's a real sensation, because she
was like, the real thing are processing. You're you like,
I am addicted to processing my overprocess and then it's
(20:42):
a new here, here's what it is. Finally got to
the bottom of it. Actually, the whole time I thought
it was this, it's actually this right, and then I yes,
white knuckle grip onto it. Yep, I feel it slipped
through my fingers, and then that leads to despair. And
what I actually have to do is kind of go
there actually are no epiphanies. Yes, the ambiguity and the
you know, living in the gray, learning to live with
the discomfort and then not knowing that is well, that
(21:03):
is you know, that's the true spiritual path, right, That's
what uh, that's why I meditate right ideally is to
no longer it's just to sit and.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Feel that we have to wipe up knuckle grip no, no, this,
I mean, it's it's pretty stunning because it actually kind
of does reveal because this is my I mean, this
is this is my absolute, same profound issue. It's like,
you know, we share certain things, we different I mean
one hundred percent. My absolute issue is trying to think
my way out of everything, believing I can think my way,
believing that I can. And this was a big depression
(21:32):
thing for me, searching for the right metaphor for my
depression so that once I locked on the right one,
then the metaphor would.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Reveal the answer.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know, like if if depression is like is a
is a wave rocking up the beach and then go
further upstream? You know, it's like a depression is is
a sand eroding then run into the ocean?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
You know, which is it?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Scrambling scrambling, So it's like it's like scrambling for it.
You get a brief lift of course, you know, similar
to the skincare product. That's why I would almost are
you that for you and me, Okay, having epiphanies around skincare, right,
believing in the next product is actually for us a
healthier expression of that same like mechanism in us then
(22:13):
doing it for our lives. So once again, right right,
But yeah, epiphany is the satisfaction of epiphany.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
For me, an epiphany is the sudden belief.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I always think of it as spiritual or psychological Dollar signs,
It's the same thing for me. It's like it's like
just like a cartoon character like Dollar sizes their eyes.
It's like it's like I have it with like, oh,
I figured out how to not experience pain if I
can just remember too, blah blah blah, if I can.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I used to feel this way about The Joy Luck Club.
Are you familiar the film?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I've never seen it, and I believe this has coming.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Oh, you're gonna love it. You're gonna love it.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
It's every time I watch The Joylut Club, I feel
that I understand life at the end, and I'm like,
this is why I have to remember to watch The
Joylut Club monthly, you know. And then nine years go by,
I know, and I'm like, oh, I did it again.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I forgot to watch The Trout Club, I know.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But the belief that I can hold in my head, Yeah,
the feeling, what do you the feeling of walking out
of a theater.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Let's just take a second with that. Oh oh, the angle.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
No, I know it's changed a lot because now with
stadium seating, well now it's over.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
No no theaters, but no, no, but there's And that's
the thing that's why I reach for children is that
when you in the credits roll, you turn to the
person next to you, you get your bag, and you
walk out, and you've been transformed and you have the
new life lessons, and you go and now and you
walk into the cold light of day, and you are
you are absolutely reborn. You've been baptized ally.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Of the beast. That is the darkness of the theater.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
You know, baptism that we no longer have. And I'm sorry,
Marvel ain't gonna baptize. Actually that's not fair. That's kind
of Marvel. I want to say, Yeah, I want to
take that back. Yeah, but well I've never been baptized
in the in the cold waters of Marvel because I've
never seen a Marvel movie. Here I go again. It
sounds like I'm really you know, I'm really degrading. I think, yeah,
(24:00):
it's fine. You know, I've also softened to sports, right,
people need we need God. However, we're going to get it. Yeah, yes,
but I just that that well feeling and that to
me is so directly tied to youth. Yes, it feels
like when you're you know, when you're you know, to
be forever youthful. You know, when you go into a movie,
you are the child back in the feudal and of
(24:22):
course I'm not the you know, we all know this
the the movie theater, the darkness as feudal space, right, yes,
that's kind of you know. And to finally be silenced,
I mean, that's why we can. I mean I don't
have to talk. I don't get to talk for an
hour and a half.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
What a relief can imagine? Really if you don't even
know you want?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
And then and then also the training of the brain,
like take my brain away, please and carry it along
a path.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
With the love of God, get.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
It and merely observe. Where I can merely observe, I
can exist is pure awareness. The goal of meditation, do
I say.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Okay, don't you find Yeah? So all right now, I'm like,
have I ever been in a movie theater watching a movie?
Even if I don't like the movie, I'm very rarely
still processing my own bullshit. It really kind of goes away,
I know, isn't that unreal?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And that's where the popcorns say.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Like I'm never there watching Oh.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
God, copcorn sales are enough to sustain amc you.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Know, like they only know they make their money on
the popcorn, like clips don't break or no, like people
don't break their hips, hips break, you know, they make
their money and pop people our favorite, like our favorite,
like you know those facts or whatever that are like well,
you know, you know, but you know the popcorn is
actually no. But do you remember because for me, like
(25:41):
the theaters of my childhood, you know, we're generally even
the big quote MULTIPLEX, we're an aisle down the center,
and so you were baptized and then and then you
go into the central aisle, you you fall in. You
weave zipper style with the people and the slow procession
top okay, to the back of the room, and then
(26:02):
that you know, the kind of Also, let's get real,
the garbage cans are simply not big enough. I've just
realized it. You're resting, you know, you're when you're placing
your popcorn in the trash and the way out of theater.
You're literally always resting it atop a top the garbage can,
like you're you're balancing it.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
You know, you have to balance trash.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Well, I want to understand why am I struggling?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You know in New York City? Like you have to
balance like trash on top of trash.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Like yes, of course because can.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Y yeah right, you like delicately balance it and run
away believing like believing you've done your part by.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Balancing it truly, yes, yes, like.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Okay, Like so if I'm in the front of the theater,
I am guaranteed not to be able to drop my
thing in the trash bag is anyway, so the experience
I go up, So then I placed my popcorn in
the thing and then to me, you've been transformed.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Okay, this is key. Are ready transformed in the darkness
and and.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
The the images were completely controlled, you know, someone's vision whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yes, and then you emerge and.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
What what fills your view? That carpet that pattern?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Crazy and yeah carpet you know you know I'm talking
about like those weird specific movie theater It's.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
So designed and it's like it's like neurologically yes.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
And it's locked planted because it's like that's the thing
I've looked at.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Right. You stroll out and your own feet and.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Your own feet God in the back and the backs
of people.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And then the search for the bathroom it's like immediately
becomes physical again. And then the body returns immediately wait
and you have to pee and you go out turn
and then there's something so that communal experience of waiting
in line in the bathroom and everyone else has been
transformed by the same movie. But no one's really at
chattering about are you here? Kind of the distant chattering. Well,
I thought it's like yeah, but something really profound locking
eyes with a stranger, Like I remember when I saw
(27:47):
Big Fish when I was like fifteen or whatever, yes,
and likeing and like you know, and then like being
this kind of quiet acknowledgment of like we're all going
to die.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Oh no, you're okay?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yes, well you know I And again I fear I
said it on poog, But when I saw American Beauty
with a friend and like yeah, and like the credits
rolled and like we were like yes, okay or something
or like whatever, and like literally someone behind us just goes.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Oh no, they go no, meaning what like like no
to the whole.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Film, like they know because and like Kevin Spacey's like,
you know it ends like.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Like and one day you'll know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Or whatever you'll see, You'll see it, You'll.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
See Yeah, yes, it's definitely something that there. Like it
was almost like no, we won't like like and it
was just like and I was like, you know, this
is the greatest movie I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Kind of feeling me too.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I was like, I'm finally to stand by it, you know,
like I understand pain now, Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It's like I can finally have a conversation with my father.
I was like, you know, I made me feel like
an adult? What year was that anyway? Who cares? He going?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
And like really deeply never never, never, like until like
I feel like ten years later understood like American beauty
is the name of a kind of rose.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Oh no, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I was just like, what we mean mena suvari right?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
You know what I feel? My insistence the way that
I loved Chris Cooper in that film, Yeah, I feel
like was teenage misogyny that I was unable to even
admit how transcendent and it Benning was because I needed
to help prove my master over film or something that
I was so elevated that I could see past the women.
This is so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
This is exactly it. This is exactly it. I feel.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It was like Chris Cooper blew me away. I'm sixteen
years old? What the fuck me to me too? Thorah Birch.
I was like, I was like, well, I you know,
I can't take thora Birch as seriously as I would
take Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Liking Chris Cooper and knowing Chris Cooper's name was a
serious point of status for me at nineteen or whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
We've never discussed this, because that was discuss it.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
It was like, well, you know who's like, you know
who's really incredible Chris Cooper. Yeah, like humiliation for like
if we were complimenting the teenage characters, you know, like
if we were to contemplated like and loving them like
that wouldn't prove to others. Yeah, it had to be
like a man, like an older man.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Even Annette I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I didn't praise a net No that is, and I
mean remember when she god, when she smells the husband's clothes,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
She collapses in the closet and pulls them and the
gangers down. That is I just got chills, I know,
up the back of the spine, folks. It is also
I just want to quickly not a moment in six
feet Under. Yes, I won't. I won't give any plot
points away. But there's a moment of Brenda sinking to
her knees in grief, holding on to another character. That is.
(30:32):
I refuse to speak on it. Actually, I'm just gonna
let it to kind of dwell in that silence.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
No, right, no, right, right, let it mean what it means.
It's sixteen. We're sixteen. Yeah, all right, so we're.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Gonna go to break and we're just I would continue,
I'm really having fun.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I feel like there's more in the movie theater. I'm
not ready to leave, but well.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
You know, we can go back. We can leave and
come back, all right.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
See, is there anything more alone?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Is there any more experience of one's own interiority?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
And leaving the theater to go to the bathroom during
the film and returning.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
That's so brilliant, Jacqueline, Oh my god, and you've brought
this up before. It was one of the most beautiful
things I've ever said to me. Yes, that is so profound.
Leave the moment, Oh, I could cry the moment of soltube.
When you leave. It's a two person dinner. Yeah, I
guess there could be other people, But for me, it's
about and you get up, you go, and then you
are in the bathroom mirror looking at yourself. You have
(31:38):
that private mom washing hands and then to return. And
that's actually that is the ultimate model for intimacy. You
have to get up and go to.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
The bathroom, right because do you Because the question for
me is always am I maintaining in the bathroom?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Am I maintaining the usness? The sense of us?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Right? Am I? Oh? God?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Am I carrying it through the bathroom? Am I almost
holding my facial expression in a similar tone to the
one I had did at the table?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Or do you drop?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
You get up, you turn and you drop the drop
and how quick you drop is is like like the
cruelty of the drop? Like I mean, I think we
talked about this about like you know, walking away from people,
I carry the I carry the facial expression.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Of the last little like charming.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Lab equip for you turn your four paces, you hold.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
The pants but then it's gotta go.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Do you ever perform Do you ever perform the drop
as a way too, because I found myself other times
perform the drop no to myself, like maybe you're having
a little small talk with someone that's kind of a
professional interaction. Ha, well I know, well, well we'll see
you tomorrow. You turn and you drop it almost immediately
as a private recognition that that wasn't you.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Oh brilliant.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Absolutely, I find myself doing that or a continuation. I personally,
I'm imagining myself at the two person dinner. My impulse
is to carry the conversation into the bathroom and to
remain grip. It's white knuckle grip, the white nuckle grip.
I don't want to lose this.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
You're experiencing the ecstasy of intimacy, and you don't want
to lose it.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
How do you feel about good night? Texting?
Speaker 3 (33:06):
The car immediately after is another like that's a new thing. Wait,
like two people getting.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Cabs Okay, oh yeah, they're.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Kind of like, well, I'll text you one second because
like like it's a way of putting off the goodbye,
like I'll just I'll continue And now I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Always guilty of checking in too often. You know, same
thing with arriving, you know, leaving now five minutes away,
pulling up parking, Oh yeah, never late, never late. If
I'm two minutes later, right, you know, circling the block.
It's like and similarly the leaving, it's so much more
romantic to just have it but post.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
But there is something about, like it's kind of interesting
when you leave a conversation or or like spending time
with someone, you leave, you go away and then sometimes
like the person texts you like or you text them.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, I guess I can only say it this way.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
The person texts you like about one specific point from
the meal that was the exact thing you were also
still sort of stuck on or felt was.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
A weird moment, you know, like or like a moment.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
That got like kind of got fucked up, like like
you said something, they received it poorly, and the food came.
Then it was distracted and you're just like deciding when
they're not to draw attention to the moment after the fact.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I'm pretty big on drawing attention.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yes, And I just I don't want to forget because
I want to go back, because it's one of the
most stunning things I've ever heard, ever articulated what you
said about going to the bathroom alone in the movie,
and that that's that's actually the most that's the most
myself I've ever felt, or the most I've never if
I could just hold on, well here to that interiority,
(34:32):
as you said, and also that feeling of selfhood and
of independence and yet remaining held within the social container
of still being at the movie. You're so protected because
everyone's in there, And it's also feeling of you know
where everyone is and you and you. Also it's the
direct experience of knowing where you're going to return. You're
(34:53):
leaving for a moment, and you have absolutely there's no
way you're going anywhere else to go.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
First of all, like I mean, like like maybe life
is the trip to the bathroom, you know, and your soul,
your soul knows, your soul knows where that you get
to return. But here's the other thing, Like, as you're saying,
I'm like, okay, there's something also about the selfhood feeling
more pronounced and sacred and actually kind of like lovely.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I don't hate myself when I go to the bathroom
in the mirror.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I mean I mean in the movie, right, there's something
there's something about my self that that feels sacred. And
I think it's because this is this is like let's
say it's two hundred people in the theater. It's like
you know that their brains are all currently entrained on
this one experience.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You're missing it. Yeah, and yet but but you're.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
There's something you're not missing, which is you're the only person.
Let's say you feel that sometimes you can tell. I
mean it's like if.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
It's a small theater, you really know what you're doing
one you know you're the only one not in there, right,
and you're like they're all thinking and experiencing the same thing,
like somewhat, you know what I mean, Like they're all
containing this thing and I am not.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I am one of them.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Like it's like you also get to be like this
hero kind of like like like this individual, like.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
This is briefly no you were you broke away, and
yet you still belong to the group. Let's not even
get started on the liminality of that place. That is
the ultimate not not me. You are not in the theater,
but you're not not in the theater. Are you still
seeing the movie? Of course you're still seeing the movie,
but you're not seeing the movie in that moment. God,
you have you have retained and insisted upon your own individuality,
(36:21):
and yet you still completely belong to the group.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Oh my god, Wait, how do you feel about silence
out in the lobby versus music out in the lobby
during that experience?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Because because or out in the or the walk past
walk to the basketball walk.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Walking past the closed doors of other theaters, it's so cute.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
There's literally children asleep in their beds, and like when
you hear when you hear also a little bit of
the clamoring Oh, an action movie, right, are you here?
The god that is the I mean talk about cozy.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Just like.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
And you know that like in those moments they're experiencing,
like that those gunshots or whatever or like those explos
unscreen means something to those.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
People in the theater and they don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
It's no, it's the din of the of the parents downstairs.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
It's God, it is.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It's the party happening downstairs and you're asleep in your bed.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Oh my god, it's it's it's like, no, it's voices
floating up. It's but the darkness like like, oh, and
then I was gonna say, I think it might also
feel in a way. I feel like that walk to
the bathroom is the closest experience we have to what
it might feel like to be a ghost walking the stir.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I was hoping you were going to say, to die. Well,
there's definitely yeah, Like that's the closest death I've ever come.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Because in if you're a ghost, if you're a ghost, yeah,
if you're a ghost and you're among okay, you're it's
the same thing because if you're a ghost among living people, right,
hundreds of them. Let's say you're walking down the street
New York City as a ghost. Okay, they are all
experiencing and you know, and trained the same movie. There's
(38:01):
one level of reality, same movie, which is life on Earth. Yeah,
and you are witnessing it, aware of it, aware of
their and trainment, know what they're looking at.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
But you are, you are in those moments, not a
part of it. Yeah, damn, got it. God, that's good.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Oh that's fucking good.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I want to if we can identify these these kinds
of liminal see it's it's not because it's not just
you know, there's too much here it is, okay, folks
an epiphany to savors. See, look like I was getting
spiritual dollar signs, which to me means it's the same
thing as someone picturing the widget. You know, then they
produce one million, and oh look at the money they'll have.
I started to go, we gotta do this more. We
(38:37):
gotta find more moments like this. We can fuy mormal exist.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And trust me, Jacqueline. In the last moments, I was like, well,
here's a book. There's a book in here. And then
I was and I was like, and here comes. I
was like, this is film, this is cinema. How can
I express this? I'm like, you're already expressing it. You're
actually in the microphone. This is you are expressing. The
idea is here. It's never enough. I need more, and
I and again I'm grass.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Wait, there was an epiphany that not a major I
know what it is.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
They always say they're fools, they're fools. Okay. They go
to your happyat place.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Okay, Now that's like a cliche, you know, like like
it's like a meditative sort of guide me. Okay, yeah,
well like go to you like you know, like close
your eyes, go to a place that's comfortable for you.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Go to the beach, and like the beach is so
loaded and the beach is.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
So stractly exactly the beach, like the waves.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
There's some emotion, kind of there's some calm emotion. Going
to the beach is.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Hell well right, arguably one of the most stressful experiences.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
The bags and getting there and packing the bags and
who are and and all of that and the sand
and the heat and the like.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
It's a shower, you know, it's like the walk to
and from the journey to the car. The oh, the
literal impossibility of cleaning your feet.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's not possible if you go to the beach.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
The hosing off your feet situation, and then you have
to move, you have to move, and then drying them
and there's there's no And every time I think I'm
going to beat the system, I know with the wash
my feet. Okay, we'll hear, I'm gonna wash my flip
flops off first, okay, Like so I'm gonna hose those
down and then I'm gonna hoose my feet down and
step into the wet flip flop.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Then you start walking away.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
The wetness grabs the sands in the sand.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, and then but the parking lot, the parking lot.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Oh yeah, just the heat.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Let's you know, it'll be nice a shaded path to the
beach because you know the waters at the end of
your journey, and that's nice. Yeah, but like the walk
to the beach shouldn't be hot as hell?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Like, do you have any idea how bad they want
to go on a topical vacation with you?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Oh? My god?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Well, and I'm just gonna say that now. I want like,
who do we travelocity orbits? Yeah, talking directly to you,
hotels dot com. Yeah, your ding dong, We're here. I
want to go. I want to go to the beach
with you.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
They all have, you know, they have from moderate pricing
to high end resorts.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
And resorts are classically hellish experience. I'm obviously enjoying the
White Lotus on HBO, the new mic White, but I
just want to say that a resort with you would
be heaven. And I just want to say this right
now for to those listening. We'll share this wee, We'll
share this wee rooms. I want the okay.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
In fact, he doesn't want your own room.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
He wants to lay holding hands. Okay, you're right staring
into each other's eyes. They are separating from you at.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
The end of the night.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, like hell on Earth. Wait oh, but the happy place.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
My only realization was sorry, there was a time, and no,
I want to go back to the resort. But instead
of go to your happy place, they always make it.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
They always make it space.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Instead of time. Okay, what about go to your happy time?
Speaker 1 (41:33):
What about?
Speaker 3 (41:34):
So the intersection of time and space is what they
need to go. So, for example, if a meditation had
led me to the hallway during a movie, see I'm
saying where, it's always a it's always a location. They
think location will automatically relax. What if it's no, it's
four pm on a Monday afternoon after school, okay, it's raining,
(41:57):
and you're at home, okay, and you put something you like,
you make a little soup or something, you just heat
it up. Okay, and it's heating up, and you're deciding
what movie you're gonna pluck off the shelf. Right, I
put it in and the rain is on.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
The roof, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Oh and oh and there's it's it's gray.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Oh school tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Then there's the neon of the microwave light.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
That's always been huge for me. Yeah, the neon of
the of.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
The because I don't even want to say it's no
school tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
No, No, you're right that that's too easy.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Because that's too extreme.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Oh yeah, it's more that you haven't hit the point
where tomorrow feels like it's crushing you.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah, that's beautiful, Jacqueline.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
God, you're hungry.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I was gonna say, because for me, one of my
For me, it's like I, as you know, love showering,
and so for me, it's like my favorite time alone
is I like to shower and anoint oneself with oils,
right and prepare for like a dinner. So my joyful
thing is I'm completely alone and I have an hour
and a half to take a luxurious shower and the
(42:53):
reservation is made and like I'm getting ready to go
to dinner. I mean that is just no, no, no, well,
piece of that.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yes, it's so funny you say that because I went
into this episode of Poog.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I put it in an order for some Mexican food
to get delivered, okay, and I was like, oh my god,
I said to Chris, is going to be really big
for Poog because I'm going to be in the state
of my absolute happiest, which is when food is on
the way. Yes, and the orthor better has been decided upon, okay,
and it's on the way.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Just I was hoping there'd.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Even be the buzz, like the ecstasy of being held
in that space.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Oh, but the absolute greatest feeling.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
And I haven't spent that much time in resorts, you know,
I haven't done a thousand vacations at all.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
So like I'm really I'm not.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
I'm not ready even for the like sophisticated vacation, Like
I'm not bored of a resort, Like I'm not like, oh.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I want to be locked within the walls.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
I want to be locked within the walls.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
But one of the best feelings in the world I
think time space wise, is after a day in the
sun or particularly beach or swimming and taking a shower, okay,
for dinner, yeah, put her in your back, slipping into
something comfortable and heading off starving.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Oh my god. And then oh wow, yeah, I need
to have that with you or I'll die.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
And then night falls. Oh an ac in a resort.
I had it in the in this place, I'm.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Staying like like an apartment Billy where I walked in
the lobby was so the cold stream ac that is
achieved in hotels.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh wow, I know, how do they do that? How
do they do it? A lot of suffering?
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah, Oh, Mike White, you're saying, I haven't watched White
Lotus yet because I had to finish up the Mike
White season of Survivor.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
You know, he goes on as a contestant.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I want to say, I still can't believe that Mike
White a hero of mine, absolutely an icon of mine. Yes,
I say that as though it's like, of course one
of the greatest, but I cannot believe he was on Survivor.
So it's the coolest thing I've ever I've never seen.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
There's a Carrie Betton interview in New Yorker with him
about it is that the writer and yeah, and uh
like like a couple of weeks I think it came out,
and it's all about that.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
It's about why Lotus, but also about Survivor.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
And he's so fabulous because he's just like, it's like
people probably think it's ironic, right, you're going on it
and whatever, and he's like, it is not ironic.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
It is not ironic, he says, dare you.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
He's like, it's like my favorite show and like I
want to compete on it, and he's like people, you
people want oscars.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
I want to win Survivor.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
And I'm like this, I mean you know that that
calls me because I love, like I'm always delighted by
that sort of thing. You know, Biggest Loser is big
for me. Oh, I would weep and the health problems
would go away. I want to watch I'd love to
watch season one of Survivor of Biggest Loser with you, okay,
because it's like remember, like you know, they have the
family visit and there's also its issues with that show.
(45:45):
I'm really not interested in comments about you know, it's unhealthy, okay,
blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
No, it's absolutely hell, it's horrible.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Like okay, we're talking about this is a TV show
at the moment. Okay, so the family members like visit
halfway through it's one of those of course, it's yeah,
it's right, you know whatever. Yeah, it's just like it's
like the family members show up and you know, the
people have shed pounds or whatever, and I just remember
this one guy was like talking to his wife and
she's like the blood pressure, He's like back to normal.
She's like the back pain, He's like gone. She's like
(46:14):
the knee issue gone. He just keeps saying gone about
these various health things that were related. And it's just
snobbery around reality TV is an absolute humiliation of the
intellect yea, the snobbery those who insist inherently.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
I mean, you know, I will wrap it up.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
But I said something somewhere and it was someone quoted
on Twitter where I said, like, you know about Long
Island Medium, like like, oh, you doubt my intelligence because
I enjoy the show Long Island Medium. Like I was like,
excuse me, you don't know on what level I'm engaging
with that show intellectually, you know, it's not just like
the thing I'm looking at. And then someone commented like oh,
and I like retweeted it and was just like I
(46:56):
stand by this if this is like the only thing
I've ever quoted as saying like I'm like, please with it,
something stupid like that. And then like someone comments like
I think Descartes said the same thing about a pile
of dog shit, and I was like I didn't reply,
but I wanted to be like yeah, and he'd be
smart too, like yeah, yeah, Daycartes could look at a
pile of dog shit and think something intelligent. Yeah, joke's
(47:17):
on you. Unless maybe they were calling me Daycartes.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I think they were calling you Daycartes, babe.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Really yeah, It's like when that person yelled and I
said it me after a show and I thought, they
me in my tits?
Speaker 1 (47:28):
How dare you?
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Why don't you respect me?
Speaker 1 (47:30):
It's like Comedian, that is amazing, What a joy? What
a joy?
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Well that was absolutely But again, this is like the
conversation about the movie theater and everything was so inspiring
to me that I was like, I think I might
go cry now, like I was. I was like, and
I needed to carry in it, and I just anyway,
even that was a form of clinging that I want
to start to release, like I don't need to now
be like and now I'm going to go cry, like
I want to continue the field place. But guess what,
(47:57):
we remain friends and we will have more cover.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
There's nothing to get into it. There's nothing we're saying now.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I'm I mean again, I'm cleaning to the resort. I'm
cleaning to the future. Resort, and I'm just gonna hope
for it and let it wash away, much like the scent,
much like the waves on the beach that we will
be sitting on.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Oh yes, okay're going and I'm dead serious. We expect
offers within the week, offers then the week.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
If they come later there we'll.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Write them down.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
By the way. I want to go far. I want
an eleven hour flight, bitch, yes.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yes, yes, all right, goodbye.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
That was pooh. If you enjoyed poop, please subscribe, rate,
and review. If not, we will press charges.
Hi, I'm Kate Berlan, I'm Jacqueline Novak.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
And this is poog, an ongoing conversation about wellness between
two obsessive friends.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Two untamable intellects. This is our hobby, This is our hell.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is our naked desire for free products. This is poog.
Today's topics, loosely speaking, Cat's Away Chris Cooper resorts. Well,
today's a very special close because the cats away and
the mice will play.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
They'd have forgot about the recording. So the little hags
are here, all alone, little hags.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
But no, no watchful eye.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I know, you know, a mother's eye. What will happen?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Will happen?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Will we happen? Will we run off the rail? You
know what if we go off the fucking.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Rail in the rail you know, out of terror train tracks?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yes or no? Do you like walking alongside them weaving
onto the rail? You know? Do you enjoy that flirtation?
Are living in New York for so long? The third rail?
The third the threat of the third rail was always well, they.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Had an assembly because there is none in La like
I mean there's no I mean there are trains there,
I guess in the third rails how most trains operate.
But there was a full assembly in my elementary school
strictly devoted to the third rail in warning the children.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I guess, like there had to have been some serious
Third world deaths.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
How could the children even get down there? It's the truth?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I mean, I guess they're playing you know, you're showing.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Off climbing in the mountain, yeah, like heading down the
like they you know, bust in, like they sneak onto
the tracks. But I always thought, well, first of all,
I mean, how can there be something exposed okay at all?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
If you touch it, you're dead crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I know you're begging for it, and that there isn't
like a glass tube you're begging You're so right, please,
there should not.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
That's my other thing about the third rail is like
this is just a thing in my head is that
I've always thought it would be funny to be a
third rail denier. Okay, So like like al, I like,
I'm like, you know it's fake, right, Oh my, it's
totally fine.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Just like I think as a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You're saying that thing about it being exposed, Like yeah,
I'm always shocked people aren't just like dying constantly, and
people are dying constantly obviously, but I mean like it's
amazing that we go like, yeah, I have this experience
where if I'm if I'm in my car and I'm
stopped at a light and let's say there's like an
old man crossing the street, I'm like, yes, how the
hell did you make it this far? Like the miracle
(02:29):
of not dying? That's so overwhelming to me. And when
I see someone like seeing like a like elderly people
or even just someone just casually in their late fifties,
which is still young by all the court.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
It's like like, look at that streak. You're like, it's
fifty years without death.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Shocking, Like like you debated death every day for fifty years.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
If you created a human, like you were able to
create a human today, right, and you were like, Okay,
I made this incredible thing, right, this machine and you
like sends out in the world, you'd be like watching
it like it's fucked.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Surely it's fucked.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Like there to like it's like, well, it has intelligence,
you know, it doesn't want to die usually you know, yeah, allegedly,
so you're like it's still going like even like the
selfware robot that wants to live is still going.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's like, damn, I was about to just now as
you were saying the robot. I was about to be like,
I'm exhausted with AI and the interest in it and like,
but then immediately I was like, no, there is something there.
I was immediately like I wanted to just.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
No, dismiss Well, they guess.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm exhausted with AI in film. Oh, well, so we've
we've certainly, you know, we've depleted.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
What of the soul, like, we've depleted the question of
whether or not the robot can love also.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Robots eyes opening and then turning and then acknowledgement. That's
what I was about to be like, I'm bored by that,
but I'm like, there is something kind of fundamentally that
fundamental question, And of course I'm fascinated by the idea
of the devil right, and I think the double continues
to be a motif that I'm at absolutely into.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
My way, completely interested in. So you can't take your
eye off you know, that's want to know he gets you.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I can't wait for I know we're thinking about it.
I know it's but we we are going to have
interstellar poog and I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
But we warned them. I'm gonna have to get on that.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
We have to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I have to make a note.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
There was something you said anyway, and oh, well that too,
I do. Okay, So I want to talk about the
foods I've been eating late at night and you have
as well.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I want to talk about that. You know what I
have here?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
What?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Coffee a la coloone, but iced coffee?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Wow? Does that have a wait? I want to try
to guess the milk based on the color.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Okay, this, by the way, is a little darker my
ideal tone of coffee. My ideal color is I don't
even know how to describe it.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But yeah, what is that like?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
There to be creaminess, but I still want it to
maintain its brownness.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You don't want to push over into into just crunch
milk such creamy I don't want.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Honestly, last year I made the huge revelation that I
don't like lattes, and that's lifted. That elevated me because
an ice latte. If you go to a coffee shop
and you watch them prepare an ice latta, you go, oh,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
A glass, a glass of milk.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, it's a glass glass milk, by the way, enjoy.
I am not here to a latte enthusiast.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
But I'd go into a store that would sell a
glass of milk and open that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It would be nice, right, go on the milk shop. Yeah,
I used to. This is the power of advertising. I've
always been completely seduced by advertising. Even as a very
young child, I was aware of like its effect on
me was so profound, and milk like the got milk
adds and also whatever was being pushed there in the
nineties for milk worked on me, got me, got in
(05:48):
my bones. No pun intended so deeply that I would
want to drink a glass of milk after school. It
was almost like it was like a nationalist impulse within
me that somehow to be strong and be like a
good kid and be a good student, Like I needed
to drink a big glass of milk when I got home.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, there is a it's like it's like brand. It's
always Protestant for you, it's hysterical. It always goes back
to a Protestant ethos. Yeah, yeah, God, I remember I
probably talked about some poog I don't know. But we
had skim milk in which I thought was skim milk
as a young child, but whatever it was like And
(06:27):
then I remember I had I think two percent in
my friend's house one day.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And it was It was a goddamn revelation.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Can you imagine skim to two I can't imagine going.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Like realizing skim was water the whole time.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh yeah, skim milk is blue.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
It's it's blue water exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I because, as you know, I don't have a dairy allergy,
although I do mostly milks.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
We never get to the milk. I mean, what is it?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Oat?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
This is oat milk, yeah, which I everyone knows. I'm
trying to get off of it. I for a long
time making my own milks. Sorry, and then I bought
store bought Oatly, and I was like, oh, who cares,
you know, throw health out the window. We're gonna get
into it oatly.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I'm sorry, Wait, what's not the carroagene?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Should not be drinking it every day?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Is it carroagene? Or do they milk themselves?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
It's the palm oil. Yeah, it's all It's a highly
processed food. It's the truth. I'm sorry. It's devastating and
so I but listen to me. I bought some whole
milk on real. The color of it too, the red,
there is nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Because I associate the red is God. I forgot about
this in kindergarten. It was like some it was like
so in kindergarten, there was like the snack period or whatever,
and they would bring in this like you know, tray
of milks, okay, the little milks and the little mini cartons,
and there were red ones and blue ones okay, and.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I think I was and I think it was I
think I was a blue one.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I think blue was skim and red was whole, and
I was just used to skim it.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Home. My mother used to also do a thing.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
This is like again, why I think I'm permanently dehydrated,
which is like, so, you know, there's two things.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I feel it was never modeled for me. I've never
heard her ask for water, okay, but like in someone's home.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But she used to first of all, water down orange juice,
like like poor little orange juice in a thing in a.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Glass, and then just like whoa with the filled up.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It was almost like this idea, like I mean, it
was almost an early anti juice an understanding of juice.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Is sugary anti juice behavior.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, and it was sort of like whoa, And it
was almost just like thing like like where she's just like, oh, well,
I hate like the density of juice. So but then
she would also be like, oh, let me get you
a glass of water, and then she would fill it
up like a third of the way, like a small
glass a tumbler.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, that we both have kind of dehydrated mothers. But
what does that mean? But wait, milk, God, damn it,
there's something about milk.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Sorry you were talking about hole like I took us away.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I got really excited. It's fine, but just yeah, a
whole milk And oh, this is what I was going
to say that my my mom about advertising and that
my mom, you know, a child of the forties, her
belief in milk and meat. But like milk, and I
remember from a young age almost she was like, osteoporos
(09:10):
is strong bones milk. And then I guess I was
in a young age, but I started being like, you know,
milk actually dairy. It's actually kind of not true, right,
That's that's like an advertiser. This is like a this
is what you've learned from advertising, and we kind of
got into it. Oh wow, No, but I really wanted to.
I was trying to tell her that, like, that's just
not true and her belief in milk and milk as
(09:33):
calcu as calcium and protein, which is true. There's more
protein and a glass of milk than there than there
isn't a glass of oat milk. I mean essentially, you know,
oat milk, right, is less healthy than a glass o milk?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Have any protein? I mean, I guess, wait, but how
do you get calcium? Other is calcium one of those
ones that you know how they're like you have to
eat a banana for your calcium and it's like, no,
actually you could get it from spinach.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Him as I believe super prevalent in greens.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It always.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Wows to me, there's like so much calcium and Tini.
I want to just write a love letter to Tahini.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
M God.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, when you realize, when you realize the hummus was
Tahini the whole time, I know.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I mean, I don't know if that's even true, but
I feel like I had.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
A moment dragging a pickle through a hummus where.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It was like, my friend got this jar of tahini
and we just started dipping things in it, and I wait,
is there teini and hummus?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Am I dead wrong? Do you know what I'm saying? Well,
I mean you can have a pure chick hummus. I'm
humiliated right now.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
We don't be you typically I wouldn't if I'm making
an at home hummus right, glorious in there, right, but
you don't usually know the creaminess is just there. You'll
add some olive oil. Perhaps, Oh god.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I'm Jewish.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I'm looking at it because I googled it and it's
going classic Jewish repisude. And that's maybe that's where I'm
getting it from. What does tahini?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Are you not into babba ganush i?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Adore the cold round flavors of baba ganoosh okay? App
absolutely And yeah, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I knew there was something here. I get yeah with.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Egg plant mouth, gim mouth okay. And because I have
other allergies, I'm like, is this am I progression the
allergy with every taste and moving it forward towards full
blown and a phylaxis.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, guess what you know? I talk about edging in
relation to allergies.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I oh right, pineapple.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Okay, so no bananas a little bit, but I ate
them all time. Walnuts, but I earlier in the air
was it three years ago? Due to COVID all time
has collapsed. But I ate a cookie from Arawan that
had an almond flower based choate chocolate chip cookie. My
mouth starts to itch. The next day, it's still itching.
It's red on the inside. So I go to the
(11:50):
doctor because I'm scared. My tongue is a little bit larger. Yeah,
I get there. They go, you have to go to
the ar What because if your tongue continues to expand,
it's gonna block your when pipe are gonna You're gonna
die on the.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Grabsolute sheer terror. My my lower stomach just sees was.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Alone in Glendale, which is already very hard, and I
proceeded to call my call fourteen people. I went. I
drove myself to the goddamn ar and it's I was
completely fine. Yeah, but just being there in the narrative
of I'm at the er, I started to get completely woozy.
I kind of limped up to the window and so
(12:27):
they're gonna tell me them my tongue is going to
expand I'm not being able to breathe. They're like, can
you breathe? And I said yes, but I soon might
not be able to.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Sorry, And then.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I went My mother came and god, and I was
laid down. They intravenously, intravenously intravenously gave me steroids and
that was fine, but uh.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Wait, I have something to say. Well two things. One, okay,
data has arrived for it was not well told it
has arrived or just waiting to be let in. We'll
let her in a second because I want to.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I don't want to break the thought the thought Yeah okay,
but there's two things about the allergy thing.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh, I once heard this.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Story from this this man that that.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
He was in a doctor's office was some kind of issue.
Maybe it was. I don't think it was allergy, though,
it was some kind of reaction to something.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Maybe he's like and the doctor was like, saw what
was happening and was like, in a couple of seconds,
you're not going to be able to breathe, okay, and
he's like what And then he couldn't breathe and the
doctor like, I got a scalpel and just like no trake,
Yatti made him like with a single like they lifted
up like a sword and just just like opened up
his throat and like Franto is trake. Also in film,
(13:34):
I hate that exists, like doing a you know, back
Alley trake in film, in action movies like oh we
got to trake him quick with a pen.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
That whole spirit, I.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Don't think I've seen that.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
But I hate sensational like I want us all to learn,
to all to know.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And then the wait, there was something damn it I
was dying to tell you about. Oh osteo, the ostio question.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You know that we almost have to go to break,
but we do bring an a pross into the conversation
as what it.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Will be fun is as we'll bring pay and go.
We're just finishing up our first fifteen.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
It'll be rare.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Do you remember what the vitamins were. There were little
chocolate squares. This is also my mother calcium active by active, Yes,
the calcium cheese, candy cast, calcium choose. And I remember
also my early interest in kind of like food as
like what was poison or something, because I remember being like,
I don't think that's really calcium and she was really
hell bent on goddamn by active and the bactive choose Ye,
(14:25):
we're a permanent.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Presences as a noun is funny.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Chewing vitamins, Like if you go to an adult who's
insisting on chewable vitamins, an adult who has gummy vitamins
in their home.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well, by the way, I look into the still a camera,
they're looking at one right now. I'm trying to figure
it out with it, like you're earlier staring into the
eyes of one right now, what chooses you actually don't
right now? Okay, but there have been periods of my
life where I go like, it's you know, swallowing supplements
is kind of exhausting.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
You know, someone who doesn't drink enough water. It's like
it's quite a challenge to take all those SIPs.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And so there have been times where I'm like, if
they were chewy, if I was able to have a
bag of gummy bears where each one was an individual supplement, right,
Sometimes put in a dream world be a dream. However,
you know, I began researching and they're all filled with availability.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's absolutely hell, Okay, we gotta go, we gotta go.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Oh and that too, Yeah, all right, let me okay,
we'll be right back right.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Okay, and we're back and we're gonna let Theda in
and let her know what has occurred. Or do we
prank her and pretend we haven't started yet and then
start and then go we're done.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Oh my god, what I'm saying. I think she really
we got a talented We did her first segment.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Here she comes Theta AMERICU. So, hey, Theta.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
So you'll be thrilled to know that we just wrapped
the fifteen and we let the people know that. And
now we've just started. We're thirty seconds into the second.
When we told the people, they know that you're coming in.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
We let you in.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
The excitement, the thrill, welcome, the mice were away. Yeah,
and we and boy did we play Oh Theta, Theata.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
We're cooking. It's all good. We're flying.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Okay, great, okay, So back to back to osteoporosis.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Oh they I have an anecdote. Yeah, I've probably told
you this. This is one of those like things that
has stuck in my head ever since I heard it,
You know how like you always hear about old people
like breaking their hip.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Okay, of course that was one of my greatest fears.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
They fall and break their hip.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
This was then it all goes to hell because the
bone breaks and releases toxins into their system. I think
that's what it is. Okay, So the bones have well
eighty years of poison in them and then it breaks
and it like I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
No, no, hey, look it up.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I don't have time, but I think that's what.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Well, what I was going to say was this was
the anecdote stunned me, okay, or they're the sort of
verbal flip they go. They didn't fall and break their hip.
Their hip broke and so they fell that in a minute.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Take that in for a minute.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
No, I thought were gonna be like there, pushed by
an angel. I didn't know what you were saying.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
That is, so do you you see like the weakness
of the bone.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Oh my god, talk about chicken or the egg.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, talk about chicken under the egg and yeah, they're
not all just slipping and falling on their hip.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I mean, it's like, that's why it's a thing.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
They're they're shattering and I know that there's a kind
of osteo thing and at least genetically somewhat in my family.
I know that my mom osti penia or something. It's
not osteo whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
But yeah, I've got yeah, something's going way.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And I'm wondering if I'm.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Got a strength train doing enough.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Oh well, I just I just read something late in
the night. In addition to strength train, are you ready? Yeah,
you pound the bones themselves.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
They get stronger.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Okay, So think of a martial arts person pounding on
the wood, okay, like with their with the side of
their head boom boom boom, or their shin.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Or their elbow, pound your bone.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Just it's not it's not just that they finally figure
out how to you know, maneuver their chie okay, to
break the wood.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
The bone gets stronger.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Okay, there's micro tears and then a honeycomb structure forms,
just like a muscle. So it's a similar thing to
a muscle, but with the bone, and you get these
stronger bones. So you can strengthen your bone, okay, through
pounding it. And I'm starting to think that's crazy. I'm listening.
I'm interested. They're a gun on the.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Bone, honeycomb by the honeycomb like derailed me. You said,
honeycomb and then I was like honeycomb and thinking about honey,
thinking about honey, you know, and stop now. But yeah,
that's always for you. You're always about physical manipulation. I
can't help it, which I love about you. You bring
that to the table.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
And yet I also I also feel that you know,
you know, everything healthwise starts in the on the energetic plane,
and you know if you could nip it in the
bud there, then further downstream it won't land in the flesh.
Is the is the promise that they, you know, the
promise of the healing world, the sprintzes and the sprints.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Isn't such just to derail us or go somewhere new? Yeah,
not new. But I had kind of a I'm realizing
something about myself. And this is also deeply puggy in yes,
and potentially threatening the very thesis of Poog itself. But
I'm realizing for myself. I, of course, as we all know,
have an addiction to thinking right, me too, me too,
me too. The disease of perception runs deep for me,
(19:14):
et cetera. I cannot continue to have epiphanies. I think
my reliance on epiphanies is really damaging.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Quite huge. I'm sorry, this is quite simply huge.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I know, I know, okay, and I'm kind and I'm like,
I don't really know what to do anymore. Because I
seek epiphanies. I seek them out, I work my way
into them. I have them. I have this kind of
you know experience, I'm suddenly released from something. And you know,
this is one of my closest friends. I'm constantly searching
for for you.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's a it's a biprop and new truth.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You free me. I'm looking into people's eyes, free me,
free me. Yes. And I'm like, and it's it's not
as simple as oh, I have to fear myself. No,
it's that we'll never get out.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
No, no, I was making that point.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, no, no, no, I know, but I'm just saying that,
like my epiphanies and the way I'm like, I got it,
this is what it is, right.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Totally like and of course that like.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I, well, we're addicted to that, and you and me
are addicted to that. And that's why, poog, that is
why the thesis of proof continuous epiphanies, right, or the
promise of these epiphanies, and.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Like even in this even in my acknowledgment of no
more epiphanies right now either. I didn't even get out either.
I know, I'm like, I'm like, this is what it
is now. But my I mean, as I think I've said,
I'm poog. My therapist literally told me to go to therapyists,
which is just unbelievable. That's a real sensation, because she
was like, the real thing are processing. You're you like,
I am addicted to processing my overprocess and then it's
(20:42):
a new here, here's what it is. Finally got to
the bottom of it. Actually, the whole time I thought
it was this, it's actually this right, and then I yes,
white knuckle grip onto it. Yep, I feel it slipped
through my fingers, and then that leads to despair. And
what I actually have to do is kind of go
there actually are no epiphanies. Yes, the ambiguity and the
you know, living in the gray, learning to live with
the discomfort and then not knowing that is well, that
(21:03):
is you know, that's the true spiritual path, right, That's
what uh, that's why I meditate right ideally is to
no longer it's just to sit and.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Feel that we have to wipe up knuckle grip no, no, this,
I mean, it's it's pretty stunning because it actually kind
of does reveal because this is my I mean, this
is this is my absolute, same profound issue. It's like,
you know, we share certain things, we different I mean
one hundred percent. My absolute issue is trying to think
my way out of everything, believing I can think my way,
believing that I can. And this was a big depression
(21:32):
thing for me, searching for the right metaphor for my
depression so that once I locked on the right one,
then the metaphor would.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Reveal the answer.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know, like if if depression is like is a
is a wave rocking up the beach and then go
further upstream? You know, it's like a depression is is
a sand eroding then run into the ocean?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
You know, which is it?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Scrambling scrambling, So it's like it's like scrambling for it.
You get a brief lift of course, you know, similar
to the skincare product. That's why I would almost are
you that for you and me, Okay, having epiphanies around skincare, right,
believing in the next product is actually for us a
healthier expression of that same like mechanism in us then
(22:13):
doing it for our lives. So once again, right right,
But yeah, epiphany is the satisfaction of epiphany.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
For me, an epiphany is the sudden belief.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I always think of it as spiritual or psychological Dollar signs,
It's the same thing for me. It's like it's like
just like a cartoon character like Dollar sizes their eyes.
It's like it's like I have it with like, oh,
I figured out how to not experience pain if I
can just remember too, blah blah blah, if I can.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I used to feel this way about The Joy Luck Club.
Are you familiar the film?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I've never seen it, and I believe this has coming.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Oh, you're gonna love it. You're gonna love it.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
It's every time I watch The Joylut Club, I feel
that I understand life at the end, and I'm like,
this is why I have to remember to watch The
Joylut Club monthly, you know. And then nine years go by,
I know, and I'm like, oh, I did it again.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I forgot to watch The Trout Club, I know.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But the belief that I can hold in my head, Yeah,
the feeling, what do you the feeling of walking out
of a theater.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Let's just take a second with that. Oh oh, the angle.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
No, I know it's changed a lot because now with
stadium seating, well now it's over.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
No no theaters, but no, no, but there's And that's
the thing that's why I reach for children is that
when you in the credits roll, you turn to the
person next to you, you get your bag, and you
walk out, and you've been transformed and you have the
new life lessons, and you go and now and you
walk into the cold light of day, and you are
you are absolutely reborn. You've been baptized ally.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Of the beast. That is the darkness of the theater.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
You know, baptism that we no longer have. And I'm sorry,
Marvel ain't gonna baptize. Actually that's not fair. That's kind
of Marvel. I want to say, Yeah, I want to
take that back. Yeah, but well I've never been baptized
in the in the cold waters of Marvel because I've
never seen a Marvel movie. Here I go again. It
sounds like I'm really you know, I'm really degrading. I think, yeah,
(24:00):
it's fine. You know, I've also softened to sports, right,
people need we need God. However, we're going to get it. Yeah, yes,
but I just that that well feeling and that to
me is so directly tied to youth. Yes, it feels
like when you're you know, when you're you know, to
be forever youthful. You know, when you go into a movie,
you are the child back in the feudal and of
(24:22):
course I'm not the you know, we all know this
the the movie theater, the darkness as feudal space, right, yes,
that's kind of you know. And to finally be silenced,
I mean, that's why we can. I mean I don't
have to talk. I don't get to talk for an
hour and a half.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
What a relief can imagine? Really if you don't even
know you want?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
And then and then also the training of the brain,
like take my brain away, please and carry it along
a path.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
With the love of God, get.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
It and merely observe. Where I can merely observe, I
can exist is pure awareness. The goal of meditation, do
I say.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Okay, don't you find Yeah? So all right now, I'm like,
have I ever been in a movie theater watching a movie?
Even if I don't like the movie, I'm very rarely
still processing my own bullshit. It really kind of goes away,
I know, isn't that unreal?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And that's where the popcorns say.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Like I'm never there watching Oh.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
God, copcorn sales are enough to sustain amc you.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Know, like they only know they make their money on
the popcorn, like clips don't break or no, like people
don't break their hips, hips break, you know, they make
their money and pop people our favorite, like our favorite,
like you know those facts or whatever that are like well,
you know, you know, but you know the popcorn is
actually no. But do you remember because for me, like
(25:41):
the theaters of my childhood, you know, we're generally even
the big quote MULTIPLEX, we're an aisle down the center,
and so you were baptized and then and then you
go into the central aisle, you you fall in. You
weave zipper style with the people and the slow procession
top okay, to the back of the room, and then
(26:02):
that you know, the kind of Also, let's get real,
the garbage cans are simply not big enough. I've just
realized it. You're resting, you know, you're when you're placing
your popcorn in the trash and the way out of theater.
You're literally always resting it atop a top the garbage can,
like you're you're balancing it.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
You know, you have to balance trash.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Well, I want to understand why am I struggling?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You know in New York City? Like you have to
balance like trash on top of trash.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Like yes, of course because can.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Y yeah right, you like delicately balance it and run
away believing like believing you've done your part by.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Balancing it truly, yes, yes, like.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Okay, Like so if I'm in the front of the theater,
I am guaranteed not to be able to drop my
thing in the trash bag is anyway, so the experience
I go up, So then I placed my popcorn in
the thing and then to me, you've been transformed.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Okay, this is key. Are ready transformed in the darkness
and and.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
The the images were completely controlled, you know, someone's vision whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yes, and then you emerge and.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
What what fills your view? That carpet that pattern?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Crazy and yeah carpet you know you know I'm talking
about like those weird specific movie theater It's.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
So designed and it's like it's like neurologically yes.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
And it's locked planted because it's like that's the thing
I've looked at.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Right. You stroll out and your own feet and.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Your own feet God in the back and the backs
of people.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And then the search for the bathroom it's like immediately
becomes physical again. And then the body returns immediately wait
and you have to pee and you go out turn
and then there's something so that communal experience of waiting
in line in the bathroom and everyone else has been
transformed by the same movie. But no one's really at
chattering about are you here? Kind of the distant chattering. Well,
I thought it's like yeah, but something really profound locking
eyes with a stranger, Like I remember when I saw
(27:47):
Big Fish when I was like fifteen or whatever, yes,
and likeing and like you know, and then like being
this kind of quiet acknowledgment of like we're all going
to die.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Oh no, you're okay?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yes, well you know I And again I fear I
said it on poog, But when I saw American Beauty
with a friend and like yeah, and like the credits
rolled and like we were like yes, okay or something
or like whatever, and like literally someone behind us just goes.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Oh no, they go no, meaning what like like no
to the whole.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Film, like they know because and like Kevin Spacey's like,
you know it ends like.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Like and one day you'll know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Or whatever you'll see, You'll see it, You'll.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
See Yeah, yes, it's definitely something that there. Like it
was almost like no, we won't like like and it
was just like and I was like, you know, this
is the greatest movie I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Kind of feeling me too.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I was like, I'm finally to stand by it, you know,
like I understand pain now, Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It's like I can finally have a conversation with my father.
I was like, you know, I made me feel like
an adult? What year was that anyway? Who cares? He going?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
And like really deeply never never, never, like until like
I feel like ten years later understood like American beauty
is the name of a kind of rose.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Oh no, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I was just like, what we mean mena suvari right?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
You know what I feel? My insistence the way that
I loved Chris Cooper in that film, Yeah, I feel
like was teenage misogyny that I was unable to even
admit how transcendent and it Benning was because I needed
to help prove my master over film or something that
I was so elevated that I could see past the women.
This is so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
This is exactly it. This is exactly it. I feel.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It was like Chris Cooper blew me away. I'm sixteen
years old? What the fuck me to me too? Thorah Birch.
I was like, I was like, well, I you know,
I can't take thora Birch as seriously as I would
take Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Liking Chris Cooper and knowing Chris Cooper's name was a
serious point of status for me at nineteen or whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
We've never discussed this, because that was discuss it.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
It was like, well, you know who's like, you know
who's really incredible Chris Cooper. Yeah, like humiliation for like
if we were complimenting the teenage characters, you know, like
if we were to contemplated like and loving them like
that wouldn't prove to others. Yeah, it had to be
like a man, like an older man.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Even Annette I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I didn't praise a net No that is, and I
mean remember when she god, when she smells the husband's clothes,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
She collapses in the closet and pulls them and the
gangers down. That is I just got chills, I know,
up the back of the spine, folks. It is also
I just want to quickly not a moment in six
feet Under. Yes, I won't. I won't give any plot
points away. But there's a moment of Brenda sinking to
her knees in grief, holding on to another character. That is.
(30:32):
I refuse to speak on it. Actually, I'm just gonna
let it to kind of dwell in that silence.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
No, right, no, right, right, let it mean what it means.
It's sixteen. We're sixteen. Yeah, all right, so we're.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Gonna go to break and we're just I would continue,
I'm really having fun.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I feel like there's more in the movie theater. I'm
not ready to leave, but well.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
You know, we can go back. We can leave and
come back, all right.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
See, is there anything more alone?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Is there any more experience of one's own interiority?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
And leaving the theater to go to the bathroom during
the film and returning.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
That's so brilliant, Jacqueline, Oh my god, and you've brought
this up before. It was one of the most beautiful
things I've ever said to me. Yes, that is so profound.
Leave the moment, Oh, I could cry the moment of soltube.
When you leave. It's a two person dinner. Yeah, I
guess there could be other people, But for me, it's
about and you get up, you go, and then you
are in the bathroom mirror looking at yourself. You have
(31:38):
that private mom washing hands and then to return. And
that's actually that is the ultimate model for intimacy. You
have to get up and go to.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
The bathroom, right because do you Because the question for
me is always am I maintaining in the bathroom?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Am I maintaining the usness? The sense of us?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Right? Am I? Oh? God?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Am I carrying it through the bathroom? Am I almost
holding my facial expression in a similar tone to the
one I had did at the table?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Or do you drop?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
You get up, you turn and you drop the drop
and how quick you drop is is like like the
cruelty of the drop? Like I mean, I think we
talked about this about like you know, walking away from people,
I carry the I carry the facial expression.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Of the last little like charming.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Lab equip for you turn your four paces, you hold.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
The pants but then it's gotta go.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Do you ever perform Do you ever perform the drop
as a way too, because I found myself other times
perform the drop no to myself, like maybe you're having
a little small talk with someone that's kind of a
professional interaction. Ha, well I know, well, well we'll see
you tomorrow. You turn and you drop it almost immediately
as a private recognition that that wasn't you.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Oh brilliant.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Absolutely, I find myself doing that or a continuation. I personally,
I'm imagining myself at the two person dinner. My impulse
is to carry the conversation into the bathroom and to
remain grip. It's white knuckle grip, the white nuckle grip.
I don't want to lose this.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
You're experiencing the ecstasy of intimacy, and you don't want
to lose it.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
How do you feel about good night? Texting?
Speaker 3 (33:06):
The car immediately after is another like that's a new thing. Wait,
like two people getting.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Cabs Okay, oh yeah, they're.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Kind of like, well, I'll text you one second because
like like it's a way of putting off the goodbye,
like I'll just I'll continue And now I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Always guilty of checking in too often. You know, same
thing with arriving, you know, leaving now five minutes away,
pulling up parking, Oh yeah, never late, never late. If
I'm two minutes later, right, you know, circling the block.
It's like and similarly the leaving, it's so much more
romantic to just have it but post.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
But there is something about, like it's kind of interesting
when you leave a conversation or or like spending time
with someone, you leave, you go away and then sometimes
like the person texts you like or you text them.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, I guess I can only say it this way.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
The person texts you like about one specific point from
the meal that was the exact thing you were also
still sort of stuck on or felt was.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
A weird moment, you know, like or like a moment.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
That got like kind of got fucked up, like like
you said something, they received it poorly, and the food came.
Then it was distracted and you're just like deciding when
they're not to draw attention to the moment after the fact.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I'm pretty big on drawing attention.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yes, And I just I don't want to forget because
I want to go back, because it's one of the
most stunning things I've ever heard, ever articulated what you
said about going to the bathroom alone in the movie,
and that that's that's actually the most that's the most
myself I've ever felt, or the most I've never if
I could just hold on, well here to that interiority,
(34:32):
as you said, and also that feeling of selfhood and
of independence and yet remaining held within the social container
of still being at the movie. You're so protected because
everyone's in there, And it's also feeling of you know
where everyone is and you and you. Also it's the
direct experience of knowing where you're going to return. You're
(34:53):
leaving for a moment, and you have absolutely there's no
way you're going anywhere else to go.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
First of all, like I mean, like like maybe life
is the trip to the bathroom, you know, and your soul,
your soul knows, your soul knows where that you get
to return. But here's the other thing, Like, as you're saying,
I'm like, okay, there's something also about the selfhood feeling
more pronounced and sacred and actually kind of like lovely.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I don't hate myself when I go to the bathroom
in the mirror.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I mean I mean in the movie, right, there's something
there's something about my self that that feels sacred. And
I think it's because this is this is like let's
say it's two hundred people in the theater. It's like
you know that their brains are all currently entrained on
this one experience.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You're missing it. Yeah, and yet but but you're.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
There's something you're not missing, which is you're the only person.
Let's say you feel that sometimes you can tell. I
mean it's like if.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
It's a small theater, you really know what you're doing
one you know you're the only one not in there, right,
and you're like they're all thinking and experiencing the same thing,
like somewhat, you know what I mean, Like they're all
containing this thing and I am not.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I am one of them.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Like it's like you also get to be like this
hero kind of like like like this individual, like.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
This is briefly no you were you broke away, and
yet you still belong to the group. Let's not even
get started on the liminality of that place. That is
the ultimate not not me. You are not in the theater,
but you're not not in the theater. Are you still
seeing the movie? Of course you're still seeing the movie,
but you're not seeing the movie in that moment. God,
you have you have retained and insisted upon your own individuality,
(36:21):
and yet you still completely belong to the group.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Oh my god, Wait, how do you feel about silence
out in the lobby versus music out in the lobby
during that experience?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Because because or out in the or the walk past
walk to the basketball walk.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Walking past the closed doors of other theaters, it's so cute.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
There's literally children asleep in their beds, and like when
you hear when you hear also a little bit of
the clamoring Oh, an action movie, right, are you here?
The god that is the I mean talk about cozy.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Just like.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
And you know that like in those moments they're experiencing,
like that those gunshots or whatever or like those explos
unscreen means something to those.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
People in the theater and they don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
It's no, it's the din of the of the parents downstairs.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
It's God, it is.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It's the party happening downstairs and you're asleep in your bed.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Oh my god, it's it's it's like, no, it's voices
floating up. It's but the darkness like like, oh, and
then I was gonna say, I think it might also
feel in a way. I feel like that walk to
the bathroom is the closest experience we have to what
it might feel like to be a ghost walking the stir.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I was hoping you were going to say, to die. Well,
there's definitely yeah, Like that's the closest death I've ever come.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Because in if you're a ghost, if you're a ghost, yeah,
if you're a ghost and you're among okay, you're it's
the same thing because if you're a ghost among living people, right,
hundreds of them. Let's say you're walking down the street
New York City as a ghost. Okay, they are all
experiencing and you know, and trained the same movie. There's
(38:01):
one level of reality, same movie, which is life on Earth. Yeah,
and you are witnessing it, aware of it, aware of
their and trainment, know what they're looking at.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
But you are, you are in those moments, not a
part of it. Yeah, damn, got it. God, that's good.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Oh that's fucking good.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I want to if we can identify these these kinds
of liminal see it's it's not because it's not just
you know, there's too much here it is, okay, folks
an epiphany to savors. See, look like I was getting
spiritual dollar signs, which to me means it's the same
thing as someone picturing the widget. You know, then they
produce one million, and oh look at the money they'll have.
I started to go, we gotta do this more. We
(38:37):
gotta find more moments like this. We can fuy mormal exist.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And trust me, Jacqueline. In the last moments, I was like, well,
here's a book. There's a book in here. And then
I was and I was like, and here comes. I
was like, this is film, this is cinema. How can
I express this? I'm like, you're already expressing it. You're
actually in the microphone. This is you are expressing. The
idea is here. It's never enough. I need more, and
I and again I'm grass.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Wait, there was an epiphany that not a major I
know what it is.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
They always say they're fools, they're fools. Okay. They go
to your happyat place.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Okay, Now that's like a cliche, you know, like like
it's like a meditative sort of guide me. Okay, yeah,
well like go to you like you know, like close
your eyes, go to a place that's comfortable for you.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Go to the beach, and like the beach is so
loaded and the beach is.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
So stractly exactly the beach, like the waves.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
There's some emotion, kind of there's some calm emotion. Going
to the beach is.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Hell well right, arguably one of the most stressful experiences.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
The bags and getting there and packing the bags and
who are and and all of that and the sand
and the heat and the like.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
It's a shower, you know, it's like the walk to
and from the journey to the car. The oh, the
literal impossibility of cleaning your feet.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's not possible if you go to the beach.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
The hosing off your feet situation, and then you have
to move, you have to move, and then drying them
and there's there's no And every time I think I'm
going to beat the system, I know with the wash
my feet. Okay, we'll hear, I'm gonna wash my flip
flops off first, okay, Like so I'm gonna hose those
down and then I'm gonna hoose my feet down and
step into the wet flip flop.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Then you start walking away.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
The wetness grabs the sands in the sand.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, and then but the parking lot, the parking lot.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Oh yeah, just the heat.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Let's you know, it'll be nice a shaded path to the
beach because you know the waters at the end of
your journey, and that's nice. Yeah, but like the walk
to the beach shouldn't be hot as hell?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Like, do you have any idea how bad they want
to go on a topical vacation with you?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Oh? My god?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Well, and I'm just gonna say that now. I want like,
who do we travelocity orbits? Yeah, talking directly to you,
hotels dot com. Yeah, your ding dong, We're here. I
want to go. I want to go to the beach
with you.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
They all have, you know, they have from moderate pricing
to high end resorts.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
And resorts are classically hellish experience. I'm obviously enjoying the
White Lotus on HBO, the new mic White, but I
just want to say that a resort with you would
be heaven. And I just want to say this right
now for to those listening. We'll share this wee, We'll
share this wee rooms. I want the okay.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
In fact, he doesn't want your own room.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
He wants to lay holding hands. Okay, you're right staring
into each other's eyes. They are separating from you at.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
The end of the night.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, like hell on Earth. Wait oh, but the happy place.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
My only realization was sorry, there was a time, and no,
I want to go back to the resort. But instead
of go to your happy place, they always make it.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
They always make it space.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Instead of time. Okay, what about go to your happy time?
Speaker 1 (41:33):
What about?
Speaker 3 (41:34):
So the intersection of time and space is what they
need to go. So, for example, if a meditation had
led me to the hallway during a movie, see I'm
saying where, it's always a it's always a location. They
think location will automatically relax. What if it's no, it's
four pm on a Monday afternoon after school, okay, it's raining,
(41:57):
and you're at home, okay, and you put something you like,
you make a little soup or something, you just heat
it up. Okay, and it's heating up, and you're deciding
what movie you're gonna pluck off the shelf. Right, I
put it in and the rain is on.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
The roof, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Oh and oh and there's it's it's gray.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Oh school tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Then there's the neon of the microwave light.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
That's always been huge for me. Yeah, the neon of
the of.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
The because I don't even want to say it's no
school tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
No, No, you're right that that's too easy.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Because that's too extreme.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Oh yeah, it's more that you haven't hit the point
where tomorrow feels like it's crushing you.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah, that's beautiful, Jacqueline.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
God, you're hungry.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I was gonna say, because for me, one of my
For me, it's like I, as you know, love showering,
and so for me, it's like my favorite time alone
is I like to shower and anoint oneself with oils,
right and prepare for like a dinner. So my joyful
thing is I'm completely alone and I have an hour
and a half to take a luxurious shower and the
(42:53):
reservation is made and like I'm getting ready to go
to dinner. I mean that is just no, no, no, well,
piece of that.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yes, it's so funny you say that because I went
into this episode of Poog.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I put it in an order for some Mexican food
to get delivered, okay, and I was like, oh my god,
I said to Chris, is going to be really big
for Poog because I'm going to be in the state
of my absolute happiest, which is when food is on
the way. Yes, and the orthor better has been decided upon, okay,
and it's on the way.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Just I was hoping there'd.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Even be the buzz, like the ecstasy of being held
in that space.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Oh, but the absolute greatest feeling.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
And I haven't spent that much time in resorts, you know,
I haven't done a thousand vacations at all.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
So like I'm really I'm not.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
I'm not ready even for the like sophisticated vacation, Like
I'm not bored of a resort, Like I'm not like, oh.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I want to be locked within the walls.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
I want to be locked within the walls.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
But one of the best feelings in the world I
think time space wise, is after a day in the
sun or particularly beach or swimming and taking a shower, okay,
for dinner, yeah, put her in your back, slipping into
something comfortable and heading off starving.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Oh my god. And then oh wow, yeah, I need
to have that with you or I'll die.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
And then night falls. Oh an ac in a resort.
I had it in the in this place, I'm.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Staying like like an apartment Billy where I walked in
the lobby was so the cold stream ac that is
achieved in hotels.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh wow, I know, how do they do that? How
do they do it? A lot of suffering?
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah, Oh, Mike White, you're saying, I haven't watched White
Lotus yet because I had to finish up the Mike
White season of Survivor.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
You know, he goes on as a contestant.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I want to say, I still can't believe that Mike
White a hero of mine, absolutely an icon of mine. Yes,
I say that as though it's like, of course one
of the greatest, but I cannot believe he was on Survivor.
So it's the coolest thing I've ever I've never seen.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
There's a Carrie Betton interview in New Yorker with him
about it is that the writer and yeah, and uh
like like a couple of weeks I think it came out,
and it's all about that.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
It's about why Lotus, but also about Survivor.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
And he's so fabulous because he's just like, it's like
people probably think it's ironic, right, you're going on it
and whatever, and he's like, it is not ironic.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
It is not ironic, he says, dare you.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
He's like, it's like my favorite show and like I
want to compete on it, and he's like people, you
people want oscars.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
I want to win Survivor.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
And I'm like this, I mean you know that that
calls me because I love, like I'm always delighted by
that sort of thing. You know, Biggest Loser is big
for me. Oh, I would weep and the health problems
would go away. I want to watch I'd love to
watch season one of Survivor of Biggest Loser with you, okay,
because it's like remember, like you know, they have the
family visit and there's also its issues with that show.
(45:45):
I'm really not interested in comments about you know, it's unhealthy, okay,
blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
No, it's absolutely hell, it's horrible.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Like okay, we're talking about this is a TV show
at the moment. Okay, so the family members like visit
halfway through it's one of those of course, it's yeah,
it's right, you know whatever. Yeah, it's just like it's
like the family members show up and you know, the
people have shed pounds or whatever, and I just remember
this one guy was like talking to his wife and
she's like the blood pressure, He's like back to normal.
She's like the back pain, He's like gone. She's like
(46:14):
the knee issue gone. He just keeps saying gone about
these various health things that were related. And it's just
snobbery around reality TV is an absolute humiliation of the
intellect yea, the snobbery those who insist inherently.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
I mean, you know, I will wrap it up.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
But I said something somewhere and it was someone quoted
on Twitter where I said, like, you know about Long
Island Medium, like like, oh, you doubt my intelligence because
I enjoy the show Long Island Medium. Like I was like,
excuse me, you don't know on what level I'm engaging
with that show intellectually, you know, it's not just like
the thing I'm looking at. And then someone commented like oh,
and I like retweeted it and was just like I
(46:56):
stand by this if this is like the only thing
I've ever quoted as saying like I'm like, please with it,
something stupid like that. And then like someone comments like
I think Descartes said the same thing about a pile
of dog shit, and I was like I didn't reply,
but I wanted to be like yeah, and he'd be
smart too, like yeah, yeah, Daycartes could look at a
pile of dog shit and think something intelligent. Yeah, joke's
(47:17):
on you. Unless maybe they were calling me Daycartes.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I think they were calling you Daycartes, babe.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Really yeah, It's like when that person yelled and I
said it me after a show and I thought, they
me in my tits?
Speaker 1 (47:28):
How dare you?
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Why don't you respect me?
Speaker 1 (47:30):
It's like Comedian, that is amazing, What a joy? What
a joy?
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Well that was absolutely But again, this is like the
conversation about the movie theater and everything was so inspiring
to me that I was like, I think I might
go cry now, like I was. I was like, and
I needed to carry in it, and I just anyway,
even that was a form of clinging that I want
to start to release, like I don't need to now
be like and now I'm going to go cry, like
I want to continue the field place. But guess what,
(47:57):
we remain friends and we will have more cover.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
There's nothing to get into it. There's nothing we're saying now.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I'm I mean again, I'm cleaning to the resort. I'm
cleaning to the future. Resort, and I'm just gonna hope
for it and let it wash away, much like the scent,
much like the waves on the beach that we will
be sitting on.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Oh yes, okay're going and I'm dead serious. We expect
offers within the week, offers then the week.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
If they come later there we'll.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Write them down.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
By the way. I want to go far. I want
an eleven hour flight, bitch, yes.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yes, yes, all right, goodbye.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
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