September 13, 2022 • 28 mins
A technical failure an ocean between them, the hags must converse without conversing. The art of conversation falls apart when rhythm is removed. And still the hags endure. Transparency at all costs. Jacqueline dines and writes in a tiny romantic attic in Rome. Kates hustles to the theater under the scalding New York Sun. Juilliard is grasped.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm caper Lamp. I'm Jacqueline Novak, And this is poog,
an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends, two
untamable intellects. This is our hobby, this is our hell,
this is our naked desire for free products. This is
today's topics. Loosely speaking, see creature, Brusqueta straw. So, how's
(00:27):
rome everything you could have dreamed? Tell me, oh my god,
we've gotten exactly one photo of a piece of pizza. No,
then I followed up You said more, and then I
followed up with a couple of posts true from how
do you say really? Salumeria? Or I cannot lock in
(00:52):
on the accents, I mean the the which part of
the word, the things ums every Okay, Sorry, Jacqueline, I'm
not reacting, probably because it's really choppy. It's really again again,
I'm wondering if perhaps it was just my own disfluency
(01:14):
that you were experiencing. Could it be Ne's choppy the
way you express yourself, you know that sort of thing? No, no, no, here,
I have a fun idea. The second you hear me
say the word that refers to a sea creature, I
want you to throw your fucking hand up and say
(01:37):
I And that's our experiment. Are you ready? Are you
ready for it? I'll wait till you you know, Okay,
the second you're paying attention, Right, the second I say
I see creature, you're gonna go I okay, you ready? Octopus?
Sound stopped? Hi? Nine? You did that immediately? You're telling
(02:07):
me this is absurd. Yes, Why don't we just do
two separate monologues? You go first, talk for a half hour.
M No, talk for half an hour? No, I certainly could.
(02:32):
Why don't you? Why don't you? Why don't you go
just have a big rope? Why how about it? Just
how about this episode? Just Jacqueline the Room diaries? Okay,
and give it a shot. Why didn't you just talk?
And then I'll listen and then I'll eventually respond. Well,
right right, I could talk for like five minutes and
then you respond for like five minutes. Why don't we
(02:54):
do this as letters? This will actually work. We'll do
it as letters. I'm gonna I'm gonna send you an
audio letter right now you're ready for it, and then
you're responding full That way, we'll only have to deal
with the delay once or you know a couple of times,
dear Kate, m here I am in Rome. You know,
(03:15):
back in the day, gals used to write each other
letters much like this, And you know, the closest experience
I've had to it in recent years was Marco Polo right.
Just to be able to speak uninhibited are without having
to worry about oh do I have to let them
say something? Now here? I am in Rome. I am
(03:36):
in my airbnb. It's everything, everything you could dream of.
It has black and white tiled floors. It has a
small load of the ground couch on the second chair,
and a kind of brocade. There is a terrorist. I
have washed my laundry and hung it out there on clips.
I have been making espresso in the mornings. Not unusual, well,
(04:00):
but to do it here in Rome, that's a different quality.
The things I've eaten. Last night, I had some kind
of white rabbit ragou. I had a a um pasta
with them with okay, so that yes, so that was
a regular white rabbit regue over the pasta. I had
a cattio peppe with a truffle. I had a something
(04:20):
with with m hmm, what's the word um calamar and
the gumberty. I had brusquet brusque bus okay, yeah, and
you heard me, it's bruce squetta okay with a hard cut.
(04:41):
And Chris and I discussed it on the way over
to the restaurant and I said, okay, well, I wanted
there's this brusquetta on the menu with these sardines, the
alice in the in the the cheese, and I'm gonna
want to get it. And I'm afraid because I've been
told years ago. But my friend Laura that it's actually
brusquetta brusqueta, okay, despite the Americans pushing the bruschette angles
(05:03):
for some time in the late nineties. And so I
waited for I pointed, I waited for the glorious server
of this woman. She was a dream. I walked by
in the evening, I said, I want to dine here.
I had read about it, and she said, um, there
was a book. I'll say it that way. There was
a humongous book. I had to come back the next day.
I had to walk over. Oh you know, bother someone say,
(05:25):
anyway I get a reservation. It was impossible online, et cetera.
And they just pull out a huge tome and in
goes my Name and over do I go? Last night,
I had an appertivo. I had a a classic apperall
sprits last night at at a place that is literally
referenced in Eat Pray Love. You heard me? Okay, h No,
(05:46):
I've not seen the film. I read the book, That's
all I'll say. And I had that. I had a
Negroni with dinner. And as you know, as I've said
in the past, I couldn't get get myself into Negroni
while in the States. However, here it makes perfect sense.
All right, I'll let you respond to that meal first, okay,
(06:10):
I mean, if you want, I have more to say. Um, okay,
I'll try to say something hearing you talk about. First
of all, I'm astonished that you haven't seen They Pray Love.
You read the book, you say the movie is a
fairly important cultural artifact. I haven't watched it in years.
(06:31):
There's a really there's a scene that always confused me.
And actually almost have no trouble. Normally I'm very terrified
at spoiling things. But for some reason, this is what
this is what stands out for me, is there's a
scene between Julie. I'm just gonna tell you it's It's
completely fine. It's a minor detail. Um, I read the book,
(06:51):
go for it. I'm not worried about things. I know
what happens. Okay, So, Peter Friedman, are you aware the
you know it's not Peter Free and just fucking Christ
it's um, oh my god, kill me right now? On
hang on? How dare I? Yes, I'm absolutely beside myself.
(07:14):
Let's just say he's the elder ghost dad on six
ft under and his name is escaping me join No, no, no, Jenkins,
Jesus no. Yeah. And I'm humiliated that I even hesitated
for a second because, okay, Richard Jenkins. When someone else
(07:37):
says they can't remember something, and then they they say
they've set you up to not be able to remember it,
then it's hard to remember. Actually ran into this yesterday.
I'll tell you about it after. So Richard Jenkins plays
someone that Julia Roberts meets at an ashram, and he's
this you know, lovable character who's there, who's giving her tips.
(07:58):
He mocks her for eating too much when she arrives,
because she's coming from Rome, where she's used to devouring
plates of pasta and entire pizzas imagine, and squeezing into
her jeans and all this, and there's a scene I'm
building this up so much and it's whatever. Um, there's
a scene where that actually is acting wise, I'm like, okay, yeah,
(08:23):
where she's like why are you here to him and
he's like well and proceeds to tell her her this,
you know, his origin story of you know, or what
happened to him write with trauma? Let and let him there,
which is him talking about being a drunk and being
like a ship dad. And there's this big scene where
he's like, my son was playing in the driveway with toys.
(08:44):
I was drunk and I got in my car and
I wanted a high tailor out of there. And you
see her start and it's really good Julia work. Okay.
You see Julia kind of go like she puts her
hand to her mouth. She's like, oh my god, and
us the viewer going, he ran over his child, right,
which is like and that's what you know, that's that's
(09:05):
the most two To kill your kid because you're drunk
is like the most unimaginable horror. So anyway, he doesn't
kill him. He goes they're going into something and he goes,
he got ahi the way just in time. No, and
that and as if you you're like what, so I
(09:28):
have a I have a theory, which is that they
did not reshoot. But they're like, let's do one where
you didn't kill him, because the correct scene is I
ran over myself. And that is drama. That is why
we go to the theater. That is why we watched
the shadows cast on the wall to play out the
most horrifying and you know, it's not drama. That's comedy.
(09:52):
And it's not fucking drama. It's comedy. His kid got
out of the way and he goes, who close call,
And it's like what so they had to have shot
the scene where he says and I killed him and
I crushed his skull. And then they went, you know what,
that's a little much. We want to get families in here.
You want to get some you know, our base, our mothers.
(10:14):
Mothers not tolerate anyway. That is just what. That's a
scene in that movie that always just really sticks out.
I got to look up the budget for that movie
on my own time. It should be it could be
important to revisit it, uh, for my own for all
of our own reasons. Catcho peppe with truffle. Wow, cacho
(10:48):
peppe is something that is I loved it for so long,
a rose in popular culture, and I was who was
I was I with John or maybe I heard him
retelling this. He was at a restaurant. I think he
was at a restaurant, and it was like, oh, the
coccio pepe and the way and the and the server
(11:11):
said it's kind of like adult mac and cheese, which
is one of the most cross well, the fact that
I ever heard first of all John, Okay, I'm a
lot to say. Yeah, I go John. John prides himself
on the preparation of the caccio, So I cannot help
(11:35):
but wonder, for one if somehow that server said that
before John was able to communicate, how you know, deeply
aware and familiar with with the coccio switched to coccio
as I sort of caccioing it up over here, you know,
like some twuocsan fool. Okay, but so I I get
(11:59):
the horror, and I see the kind of acc and
cheese asult mac and cheese. The point is, back in
the States, cacio isn't the thing I order the most. Okay,
I'm like, yeah, I know, you know what I mean.
Like to me, it is a little I want I
want a cidic. I want I'm a trici. Okay, okay,
(12:24):
it all costs nightly. I've struggled continually come back to
that sort of thing. I but last night, at this
particular place called Juliu, pass me loleo. I think they
said that the caccio with the truffle was an important
(12:45):
dish at their restaurant specifically, and I gave myself over
to the server and said, you know, what should what
should we get? And but we arrived. You know, it's
not a chalkboard up in the wall. You could barely
read it. It's so small to so much of them
that this is not a comical chalkboard. I mean, this
is a real serious chalkboard. And god it was good.
(13:06):
I mean when when the brischetta arrived, just just sit
piece of just bread, the toasted it was so it
was so good. I'm sorry, I'm just I haven't eaten yet.
Today I'm doing my essentially intermittent fasting while in order
to get work done, and so I cannot eat the
first couple days we're here. It was like lunch and
(13:28):
then the panine, the panini, and then immediate nap okay
and the whole thing. I wasn't getting any of the
writing I came here to do done, so we had
to pull it back and go espresso all day and
then all night we dined. I was like, okay, well
it might have to be two dinners and then it's
(13:48):
like great, and that's what we'll do. Mm hmm. But
raduolie uh solo Materia was really spectacular as well. Anyway
I got, I got lost to see. I do require
you to tether me. I'm very excited too. One day
(14:09):
we should go. I mean I think, well, my question is,
was the coccio as good as you hoped? Yeah? Except
I still think there's a simplicity to the coccio, and
so it it's like to me, I mean I was
in ecstasy, but I I tended yearn for the acidic
(14:34):
something cutting through, and so it had to be balanced
by these others. Mm hmm. Yeah, I mean that to me.
Um and then I'm trying to think what did we
we got? Oh, the other one we got this um
anchovy pasta that was unbelievable. M I ran to this
(14:57):
blog to figure out what to order and a pinch
and it was just and this semi dried semi dried
tomatoes with the brata and oh. But then what I
was going to say is that I looked up when
I came here at that all right pog and so
I looked up a facialist of some kind. I wanted
to have an experience, and so and I found this woman,
(15:17):
Simona prima Vera of her started it's called spring Touch.
And I didn't need a facial while here, but I
was like, it would be nice to have some some
kind of experience if there's something special. And then I
found her and she has She has a complete she
studied in Japan from this under this this teacher, and
(15:37):
it's a whole kind of in her words, place piano. Okay,
and I went this morning and it was an absolute healing,
ecstasy scenario. It was breath work, it was gentle stretching,
it was full piano fingers all over me. It was
it was it was she only has four clients a day,
are ready for those who are gonna die? I was.
(15:58):
I woke up late. I over she snucked me in
and I over slept. I woke up, and I was
so humiliated. I almost thought of just leaving the country,
kind of thing like but you know, just like never
saying anything, like hoping she would think I was had died.
And I was like, face the music. If you're comfortable
with her hating you for ghosting, right, which is essentially
(16:19):
what it would have been, then why aren't you comfortable
with her hating you for telling, like telling what happened,
which is that you overslept. Why do I think one
is better than the other. So I sent her the
message via What's App and I said, I overslept, and
she said, my next client isn't till noon. There's still
time if you'd catch a taxi, and I did. Actually
(16:42):
I didn't catch a taxi. I failed to. So then
I decided to walk. I walk across the bridge. I'm going,
I'm going, I'm sending her screenshots of my Google maps going,
and now I'm on foot. The taxi didn't come, okay,
but I'm ten minutes away, nine minutes away, and she
just goes again, and I'm just thinking about how she
must just whatever. And then and then I get a
get a message back, walk slowly and smile to the sun.
(17:04):
M can you believe? And I get unbelieved, like, there
it's a Tommy Matt Jack. I've been to Japan. I say, no,
she is a dream Simon, Simona prima Vera. Okay, and
I'm going to post pictures. I posted a picture. It
was It was a healing session. It was completely on
a different level. It was very very special. And I
(17:29):
was like, I will come back to Rome. Wow for her.
How long was it an hour? Wow? I had a
facial at A lot of the hags wrote in suggesting facialists,
which I appreciate. I got a micro Current Facial Rescue SPA,
(17:49):
which is funny. Send a message thing that someone is
like the Michelangelo of micro current, I think sculptor of
micro Current. And I was like, but an New York
facial I thought I saw something an email or something. Anyway,
I was wondering if that's who it was, but go on, okay,
I have to find out who that is. But the
point is it was really nice and she did. I
(18:11):
had never had so much facial massage in my life,
like the beating of the beating of the cheekbones and
damn I couldn't believe it because I didn't get any
kind of exfoliant. I didn't get an exfoliating mask or
I asked her not to do extractions because I'm not
broken out, and I, you know, I'm doing the show
(18:32):
or my so I just my face is like I
can't have my skin. I has to I can't do
crazy abstractions and be like healing anyway. My skin was
so soft I couldn't understand. It's like, oh, it's from
her beating my face. And I'm going to get I'm
finally going to get to face Jim in a couple
of weeks and do a cry oh facial where they
(18:56):
like sculpt and lift goddamn face. And I have been
in New York for a few weeks now, and I'm
realizing aging rapidly due to walking more than I ever
walked in l A with the sun beating down on me.
Of course I'm wearing sunscreen, but I swear to god,
three horizontal lines have suddenly appeared on my forehead um
(19:17):
and I'm terrified, to say the least. And my shoulders
are slightly bronzed, and of course I love it. It
makes me sexual. The bronze. He appears on the shoulder,
but immediately I feel like I've sinned well, but also
(19:40):
fuck it, smile towards the sun like smile towards the sun.
Although she did also tell me SPF always, which but
not as a reaction in my face I was, I
told her, and she said absolutely. Um, and I've been
a little sloppy as well. Uh but the wrinkle you
described three wrinkles across the for it to me doesn't
(20:00):
sound explicitly like sun damage. It sounds a little bit
more like repetitive movements, which I think if nightly on
stage you are performing the clown, you are going hardcore
with your going hard with the expressions. I mean, when
I go hard with the expressions, you know, when I
let them, when I let it through me, When when
(20:22):
the body becomes an instrument for expression, I mean, yeah,
there's gonna be lines. So that's why I think, you know,
the the the massage is key and and God bless
you're so right, and that is true. I mean, the
show I'm doing is in many ways a clown show,
(20:44):
and so of course my face has been pulled and
pushed into clown like expression. Yeah, for hours, all week,
so there is great privilege and enjoy. You know. I
(21:12):
was thinking about it as I was lying there. I
was going, Um, fuck the skin, that's what's underneath the skin.
And no, I don't mean the soul. I mean the
muscular structure and the bones and the fat. Okay, slender
just wasn't withnder. It's what's underneath. It counts the spirit,
the soul. Now the fashion. But I just think, I
(21:37):
think so she she was beating me, and she was,
you know, surprised, surprised getting into the jaw where of
course I was holding the tension and there was a
lot of exhaling. It was unbelievable, Simona Primavera and the
entire anyway, I was just I was really taken with her,
and I'm very excited about it. But yeah, New York,
(22:01):
through those streets, and I do feel it. You really
have to hydrate when you're in New York. I mean topically, Okay,
I really have to. You come home at night, you
massage to face, you do an oil cleanser, and then
you you exploit, you do the whole thing, and you
(22:23):
need to do seven layers of Korean skincare and you
wake up in the morning restored. Okay, wow, okay, thank
you if you want to keep your instrument supple. But
for the next show, well, I'm also guess what I
want to humidifier desperately. I have a fully packaged canopy.
(22:46):
You need it in Los Angeles? Do I just buy one?
Or hello? Can it be you? Can you send me
another one? I think so well. I think you know
you mentioned, uh know, I lost my voice at one
point doing my show in New York. I got sick
and I had oh my god, oh my god, I'm
(23:06):
breaking breaking news, breaking news, breaking news, breaking news, breaking news.
I had my first voice lesson in my life yesterday
from a Juilliard professor and she brought me and I
have a little Juilliard folder now in my backstage area,
so it looks like I did go to fucking Juilliard.
Tell me what she taught you, Because when I lost
(23:27):
my voice, there was talk of I had to connect
with these during my show. Okay, I'm performer now, I
performed nightly. Okay, I'm you know, I have to take
care of my voice, and so I was like, I
have to start using it. I can't just push push push, right,
we have to so so what it was was that
part of this was that part of this, and therefore
teach me now I want it now, Yes, okay, teach me.
(23:51):
There's a whole thing I'm doing now, all right, teach
me the straw and water and you go bubbles and
you you know, something like that. Oh and what is it?
Do are you but you need? What's the goal? It
was good vocal cords. Okay, mostly no clue, but it's
(24:14):
good through vocal cords. And I did all these like mmmmmmmm,
like I did all this ship and then it's true
after and then it's like involves the body too. And
then after my instrument felt felt supple, I felt open.
I mean, I don't know how to tell you. Oh,
but what I was going to say was to protect
(24:35):
the voice. When you're performing nightly, you must humidify, I feel. Yeah,
if you're sleep you know how we if you don't humidify,
you wake up dry. Not to mention a c all
of it, Yeah, you have to, you have to. And
I would take steams in the morning, as you know,
crouch at the bottom of the shower and just inhale.
(24:58):
But yeah, keep those pas. I got some some things.
I got these things that went direct into the nose.
You could also use like your doctor Dennis Gross humidifier
direct into the nose. Are you emailing now? Because I
feel like with the delay, it might be like I
mean A no, no, I I I mean, I um,
(25:21):
there's something she said. I forget what it's called, but
it's like a hand steamer that I have to get
to steam. Yeah, there was something very small that came
with specific capsules that I got at that time. I
have like four different steamers and I did the research
the deep dives, the Strategist and beyond. And by the way,
I'm headed to Naples. I will say I am open
(25:43):
to rex. I'm headed to Naples. I'm extending my trip
when next week and amazing, it's going to be ecstasy.
I continue to pray for a New York passed through.
I know, oh, I know, I mean, I should hope.
(26:06):
So let's just say I'm gonna take you. I'm gonna
take you out on the town and you're gonna be
on the four on the floor at the end of
the night, screaming for mercy because of the how happy
you are. Oh, I know, I mean, you don't have
to sell me on you. Oh, but I there's some places.
(26:29):
Like I said, there's been a couple of discoveries, a
couple of a couple of suggestions of places that I
would like us to be able to go. One was
in half was Iceland or Greenland or something like that.
But there was something that I was like, we need
to get there. It's the gold, it's the it's the
white whale. Let's go. So if the listener is unaware
(26:55):
YouTube edits, let me say now it and I have
recorded with it absolutely intrusive delay of a good nine
to thirteen seconds, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter. So the fact
that there's anything being recorded at all right now the
(27:16):
listeners should ah a miracle. B I don't even know
what the word is. I'm so, I'm loving Rome, I'm
loving the food. I'm in heaven. I'm being fairly productive
writing during the day. I don't know what else to say, folks,
I'm headed to Naples, Simona prim Vera. It's incredible. And
(27:39):
if you if I hear you saying that you're being
fairly productive, I know that means that you're being very productive. Well,
perhaps never as much, never enough. But I actually was
slightly healed of some of those concerns. During my piano facial,
I remembered the glad, the true self, I think God. Alright, Well,
(28:02):
as you said, there's a horrifying delay on this, so
if you're struggling to if you're struggling and consuming this episode,
note that's due to the delay. Um, but I love you.
I'll talk too soon. All right. Yeah that was Poog.
(28:25):
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Hi, I'm caper Lamp. I'm Jacqueline Novak, And this is poog,
an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends, two
untamable intellects. This is our hobby, this is our hell,
this is our naked desire for free products. This is
today's topics. Loosely speaking, see creature, Brusqueta straw. So, how's
(00:27):
rome everything you could have dreamed? Tell me, oh my god,
we've gotten exactly one photo of a piece of pizza. No,
then I followed up You said more, and then I
followed up with a couple of posts true from how
do you say really? Salumeria? Or I cannot lock in
(00:52):
on the accents, I mean the the which part of
the word, the things ums every Okay, Sorry, Jacqueline, I'm
not reacting, probably because it's really choppy. It's really again again,
I'm wondering if perhaps it was just my own disfluency
(01:14):
that you were experiencing. Could it be Ne's choppy the
way you express yourself, you know that sort of thing? No, no, no, here,
I have a fun idea. The second you hear me
say the word that refers to a sea creature, I
want you to throw your fucking hand up and say
(01:37):
I And that's our experiment. Are you ready? Are you
ready for it? I'll wait till you you know, Okay,
the second you're paying attention, Right, the second I say
I see creature, you're gonna go I okay, you ready? Octopus?
Sound stopped? Hi? Nine? You did that immediately? You're telling
(02:07):
me this is absurd. Yes, Why don't we just do
two separate monologues? You go first, talk for a half hour.
M No, talk for half an hour? No, I certainly could.
(02:32):
Why don't you? Why don't you? Why don't you go
just have a big rope? Why how about it? Just
how about this episode? Just Jacqueline the Room diaries? Okay,
and give it a shot. Why didn't you just talk?
And then I'll listen and then I'll eventually respond. Well,
right right, I could talk for like five minutes and
then you respond for like five minutes. Why don't we
(02:54):
do this as letters? This will actually work. We'll do
it as letters. I'm gonna I'm gonna send you an
audio letter right now you're ready for it, and then
you're responding full That way, we'll only have to deal
with the delay once or you know a couple of times,
dear Kate, m here I am in Rome. You know,
(03:15):
back in the day, gals used to write each other
letters much like this, And you know, the closest experience
I've had to it in recent years was Marco Polo right.
Just to be able to speak uninhibited are without having
to worry about oh do I have to let them
say something? Now here? I am in Rome. I am
(03:36):
in my airbnb. It's everything, everything you could dream of.
It has black and white tiled floors. It has a
small load of the ground couch on the second chair,
and a kind of brocade. There is a terrorist. I
have washed my laundry and hung it out there on clips.
I have been making espresso in the mornings. Not unusual, well,
(04:00):
but to do it here in Rome, that's a different quality.
The things I've eaten. Last night, I had some kind
of white rabbit ragou. I had a a um pasta
with them with okay, so that yes, so that was
a regular white rabbit regue over the pasta. I had
a cattio peppe with a truffle. I had a something
(04:20):
with with m hmm, what's the word um calamar and
the gumberty. I had brusquet brusque bus okay, yeah, and
you heard me, it's bruce squetta okay with a hard cut.
(04:41):
And Chris and I discussed it on the way over
to the restaurant and I said, okay, well, I wanted
there's this brusquetta on the menu with these sardines, the
alice in the in the the cheese, and I'm gonna
want to get it. And I'm afraid because I've been
told years ago. But my friend Laura that it's actually
brusquetta brusqueta, okay, despite the Americans pushing the bruschette angles
(05:03):
for some time in the late nineties. And so I
waited for I pointed, I waited for the glorious server
of this woman. She was a dream. I walked by
in the evening, I said, I want to dine here.
I had read about it, and she said, um, there
was a book. I'll say it that way. There was
a humongous book. I had to come back the next day.
I had to walk over. Oh you know, bother someone say,
(05:25):
anyway I get a reservation. It was impossible online, et cetera.
And they just pull out a huge tome and in
goes my Name and over do I go? Last night,
I had an appertivo. I had a a classic apperall
sprits last night at at a place that is literally
referenced in Eat Pray Love. You heard me? Okay, h No,
(05:46):
I've not seen the film. I read the book, That's
all I'll say. And I had that. I had a
Negroni with dinner. And as you know, as I've said
in the past, I couldn't get get myself into Negroni
while in the States. However, here it makes perfect sense.
All right, I'll let you respond to that meal first, okay,
(06:10):
I mean, if you want, I have more to say. Um, okay,
I'll try to say something hearing you talk about. First
of all, I'm astonished that you haven't seen They Pray Love.
You read the book, you say the movie is a
fairly important cultural artifact. I haven't watched it in years.
(06:31):
There's a really there's a scene that always confused me.
And actually almost have no trouble. Normally I'm very terrified
at spoiling things. But for some reason, this is what
this is what stands out for me, is there's a
scene between Julie. I'm just gonna tell you it's It's
completely fine. It's a minor detail. Um, I read the book,
(06:51):
go for it. I'm not worried about things. I know
what happens. Okay, So, Peter Friedman, are you aware the
you know it's not Peter Free and just fucking Christ
it's um, oh my god, kill me right now? On
hang on? How dare I? Yes, I'm absolutely beside myself.
(07:14):
Let's just say he's the elder ghost dad on six
ft under and his name is escaping me join No, no, no, Jenkins,
Jesus no. Yeah. And I'm humiliated that I even hesitated
for a second because, okay, Richard Jenkins. When someone else
(07:37):
says they can't remember something, and then they they say
they've set you up to not be able to remember it,
then it's hard to remember. Actually ran into this yesterday.
I'll tell you about it after. So Richard Jenkins plays
someone that Julia Roberts meets at an ashram, and he's
this you know, lovable character who's there, who's giving her tips.
(07:58):
He mocks her for eating too much when she arrives,
because she's coming from Rome, where she's used to devouring
plates of pasta and entire pizzas imagine, and squeezing into
her jeans and all this, and there's a scene I'm
building this up so much and it's whatever. Um, there's
a scene where that actually is acting wise, I'm like, okay, yeah,
(08:23):
where she's like why are you here to him and
he's like well and proceeds to tell her her this,
you know, his origin story of you know, or what
happened to him write with trauma? Let and let him there,
which is him talking about being a drunk and being
like a ship dad. And there's this big scene where
he's like, my son was playing in the driveway with toys.
(08:44):
I was drunk and I got in my car and
I wanted a high tailor out of there. And you
see her start and it's really good Julia work. Okay.
You see Julia kind of go like she puts her
hand to her mouth. She's like, oh my god, and
us the viewer going, he ran over his child, right,
which is like and that's what you know, that's that's
(09:05):
the most two To kill your kid because you're drunk
is like the most unimaginable horror. So anyway, he doesn't
kill him. He goes they're going into something and he goes,
he got ahi the way just in time. No, and
that and as if you you're like what, so I
(09:28):
have a I have a theory, which is that they
did not reshoot. But they're like, let's do one where
you didn't kill him, because the correct scene is I
ran over myself. And that is drama. That is why
we go to the theater. That is why we watched
the shadows cast on the wall to play out the
most horrifying and you know, it's not drama. That's comedy.
(09:52):
And it's not fucking drama. It's comedy. His kid got
out of the way and he goes, who close call,
And it's like what so they had to have shot
the scene where he says and I killed him and
I crushed his skull. And then they went, you know what,
that's a little much. We want to get families in here.
You want to get some you know, our base, our mothers.
(10:14):
Mothers not tolerate anyway. That is just what. That's a
scene in that movie that always just really sticks out.
I got to look up the budget for that movie
on my own time. It should be it could be
important to revisit it, uh, for my own for all
of our own reasons. Catcho peppe with truffle. Wow, cacho
(10:48):
peppe is something that is I loved it for so long,
a rose in popular culture, and I was who was
I was I with John or maybe I heard him
retelling this. He was at a restaurant. I think he
was at a restaurant, and it was like, oh, the
coccio pepe and the way and the and the server
(11:11):
said it's kind of like adult mac and cheese, which
is one of the most cross well, the fact that
I ever heard first of all John, Okay, I'm a
lot to say. Yeah, I go John. John prides himself
on the preparation of the caccio, So I cannot help
(11:35):
but wonder, for one if somehow that server said that
before John was able to communicate, how you know, deeply
aware and familiar with with the coccio switched to coccio
as I sort of caccioing it up over here, you know,
like some twuocsan fool. Okay, but so I I get
(11:59):
the horror, and I see the kind of acc and
cheese asult mac and cheese. The point is, back in
the States, cacio isn't the thing I order the most. Okay,
I'm like, yeah, I know, you know what I mean.
Like to me, it is a little I want I
want a cidic. I want I'm a trici. Okay, okay,
(12:24):
it all costs nightly. I've struggled continually come back to
that sort of thing. I but last night, at this
particular place called Juliu, pass me loleo. I think they
said that the caccio with the truffle was an important
(12:45):
dish at their restaurant specifically, and I gave myself over
to the server and said, you know, what should what
should we get? And but we arrived. You know, it's
not a chalkboard up in the wall. You could barely
read it. It's so small to so much of them
that this is not a comical chalkboard. I mean, this
is a real serious chalkboard. And god it was good.
(13:06):
I mean when when the brischetta arrived, just just sit
piece of just bread, the toasted it was so it
was so good. I'm sorry, I'm just I haven't eaten yet.
Today I'm doing my essentially intermittent fasting while in order
to get work done, and so I cannot eat the
first couple days we're here. It was like lunch and
(13:28):
then the panine, the panini, and then immediate nap okay
and the whole thing. I wasn't getting any of the
writing I came here to do done, so we had
to pull it back and go espresso all day and
then all night we dined. I was like, okay, well
it might have to be two dinners and then it's
(13:48):
like great, and that's what we'll do. Mm hmm. But
raduolie uh solo Materia was really spectacular as well. Anyway
I got, I got lost to see. I do require
you to tether me. I'm very excited too. One day
(14:09):
we should go. I mean I think, well, my question is,
was the coccio as good as you hoped? Yeah? Except
I still think there's a simplicity to the coccio, and
so it it's like to me, I mean I was
in ecstasy, but I I tended yearn for the acidic
(14:34):
something cutting through, and so it had to be balanced
by these others. Mm hmm. Yeah, I mean that to me.
Um and then I'm trying to think what did we
we got? Oh, the other one we got this um
anchovy pasta that was unbelievable. M I ran to this
(14:57):
blog to figure out what to order and a pinch
and it was just and this semi dried semi dried
tomatoes with the brata and oh. But then what I
was going to say is that I looked up when
I came here at that all right pog and so
I looked up a facialist of some kind. I wanted
to have an experience, and so and I found this woman,
(15:17):
Simona prima Vera of her started it's called spring Touch.
And I didn't need a facial while here, but I
was like, it would be nice to have some some
kind of experience if there's something special. And then I
found her and she has She has a complete she
studied in Japan from this under this this teacher, and
(15:37):
it's a whole kind of in her words, place piano. Okay,
and I went this morning and it was an absolute healing,
ecstasy scenario. It was breath work, it was gentle stretching,
it was full piano fingers all over me. It was
it was it was she only has four clients a day,
are ready for those who are gonna die? I was.
(15:58):
I woke up late. I over she snucked me in
and I over slept. I woke up, and I was
so humiliated. I almost thought of just leaving the country,
kind of thing like but you know, just like never
saying anything, like hoping she would think I was had died.
And I was like, face the music. If you're comfortable
with her hating you for ghosting, right, which is essentially
(16:19):
what it would have been, then why aren't you comfortable
with her hating you for telling, like telling what happened,
which is that you overslept. Why do I think one
is better than the other. So I sent her the
message via What's App and I said, I overslept, and
she said, my next client isn't till noon. There's still
time if you'd catch a taxi, and I did. Actually
(16:42):
I didn't catch a taxi. I failed to. So then
I decided to walk. I walk across the bridge. I'm going,
I'm going, I'm sending her screenshots of my Google maps going,
and now I'm on foot. The taxi didn't come, okay,
but I'm ten minutes away, nine minutes away, and she
just goes again, and I'm just thinking about how she
must just whatever. And then and then I get a
get a message back, walk slowly and smile to the sun.
(17:04):
M can you believe? And I get unbelieved, like, there
it's a Tommy Matt Jack. I've been to Japan. I say, no,
she is a dream Simon, Simona prima Vera. Okay, and
I'm going to post pictures. I posted a picture. It
was It was a healing session. It was completely on
a different level. It was very very special. And I
(17:29):
was like, I will come back to Rome. Wow for her.
How long was it an hour? Wow? I had a
facial at A lot of the hags wrote in suggesting facialists,
which I appreciate. I got a micro Current Facial Rescue SPA,
(17:49):
which is funny. Send a message thing that someone is
like the Michelangelo of micro current, I think sculptor of
micro Current. And I was like, but an New York
facial I thought I saw something an email or something. Anyway,
I was wondering if that's who it was, but go on, okay,
I have to find out who that is. But the
point is it was really nice and she did. I
(18:11):
had never had so much facial massage in my life,
like the beating of the beating of the cheekbones and
damn I couldn't believe it because I didn't get any
kind of exfoliant. I didn't get an exfoliating mask or
I asked her not to do extractions because I'm not
broken out, and I, you know, I'm doing the show
(18:32):
or my so I just my face is like I
can't have my skin. I has to I can't do
crazy abstractions and be like healing anyway. My skin was
so soft I couldn't understand. It's like, oh, it's from
her beating my face. And I'm going to get I'm
finally going to get to face Jim in a couple
of weeks and do a cry oh facial where they
(18:56):
like sculpt and lift goddamn face. And I have been
in New York for a few weeks now, and I'm
realizing aging rapidly due to walking more than I ever
walked in l A with the sun beating down on me.
Of course I'm wearing sunscreen, but I swear to god,
three horizontal lines have suddenly appeared on my forehead um
(19:17):
and I'm terrified, to say the least. And my shoulders
are slightly bronzed, and of course I love it. It
makes me sexual. The bronze. He appears on the shoulder,
but immediately I feel like I've sinned well, but also
(19:40):
fuck it, smile towards the sun like smile towards the sun.
Although she did also tell me SPF always, which but
not as a reaction in my face I was, I
told her, and she said absolutely. Um, and I've been
a little sloppy as well. Uh but the wrinkle you
described three wrinkles across the for it to me doesn't
(20:00):
sound explicitly like sun damage. It sounds a little bit
more like repetitive movements, which I think if nightly on
stage you are performing the clown, you are going hardcore
with your going hard with the expressions. I mean, when
I go hard with the expressions, you know, when I
let them, when I let it through me, When when
(20:22):
the body becomes an instrument for expression, I mean, yeah,
there's gonna be lines. So that's why I think, you know,
the the the massage is key and and God bless
you're so right, and that is true. I mean, the
show I'm doing is in many ways a clown show,
(20:44):
and so of course my face has been pulled and
pushed into clown like expression. Yeah, for hours, all week,
so there is great privilege and enjoy. You know. I
(21:12):
was thinking about it as I was lying there. I
was going, Um, fuck the skin, that's what's underneath the skin.
And no, I don't mean the soul. I mean the
muscular structure and the bones and the fat. Okay, slender
just wasn't withnder. It's what's underneath. It counts the spirit,
the soul. Now the fashion. But I just think, I
(21:37):
think so she she was beating me, and she was,
you know, surprised, surprised getting into the jaw where of
course I was holding the tension and there was a
lot of exhaling. It was unbelievable, Simona Primavera and the
entire anyway, I was just I was really taken with her,
and I'm very excited about it. But yeah, New York,
(22:01):
through those streets, and I do feel it. You really
have to hydrate when you're in New York. I mean topically, Okay,
I really have to. You come home at night, you
massage to face, you do an oil cleanser, and then
you you exploit, you do the whole thing, and you
(22:23):
need to do seven layers of Korean skincare and you
wake up in the morning restored. Okay, wow, okay, thank
you if you want to keep your instrument supple. But
for the next show, well, I'm also guess what I
want to humidifier desperately. I have a fully packaged canopy.
(22:46):
You need it in Los Angeles? Do I just buy one?
Or hello? Can it be you? Can you send me
another one? I think so well. I think you know
you mentioned, uh know, I lost my voice at one
point doing my show in New York. I got sick
and I had oh my god, oh my god, I'm
(23:06):
breaking breaking news, breaking news, breaking news, breaking news, breaking news.
I had my first voice lesson in my life yesterday
from a Juilliard professor and she brought me and I
have a little Juilliard folder now in my backstage area,
so it looks like I did go to fucking Juilliard.
Tell me what she taught you, Because when I lost
(23:27):
my voice, there was talk of I had to connect
with these during my show. Okay, I'm performer now, I
performed nightly. Okay, I'm you know, I have to take
care of my voice, and so I was like, I
have to start using it. I can't just push push push, right,
we have to so so what it was was that
part of this was that part of this, and therefore
teach me now I want it now, Yes, okay, teach me.
(23:51):
There's a whole thing I'm doing now, all right, teach
me the straw and water and you go bubbles and
you you know, something like that. Oh and what is it?
Do are you but you need? What's the goal? It
was good vocal cords. Okay, mostly no clue, but it's
(24:14):
good through vocal cords. And I did all these like mmmmmmmm,
like I did all this ship and then it's true
after and then it's like involves the body too. And
then after my instrument felt felt supple, I felt open.
I mean, I don't know how to tell you. Oh,
but what I was going to say was to protect
(24:35):
the voice. When you're performing nightly, you must humidify, I feel. Yeah,
if you're sleep you know how we if you don't humidify,
you wake up dry. Not to mention a c all
of it, Yeah, you have to, you have to. And
I would take steams in the morning, as you know,
crouch at the bottom of the shower and just inhale.
(24:58):
But yeah, keep those pas. I got some some things.
I got these things that went direct into the nose.
You could also use like your doctor Dennis Gross humidifier
direct into the nose. Are you emailing now? Because I
feel like with the delay, it might be like I
mean A no, no, I I I mean, I um,
(25:21):
there's something she said. I forget what it's called, but
it's like a hand steamer that I have to get
to steam. Yeah, there was something very small that came
with specific capsules that I got at that time. I
have like four different steamers and I did the research
the deep dives, the Strategist and beyond. And by the way,
I'm headed to Naples. I will say I am open
(25:43):
to rex. I'm headed to Naples. I'm extending my trip
when next week and amazing, it's going to be ecstasy.
I continue to pray for a New York passed through.
I know, oh, I know, I mean, I should hope.
(26:06):
So let's just say I'm gonna take you. I'm gonna
take you out on the town and you're gonna be
on the four on the floor at the end of
the night, screaming for mercy because of the how happy
you are. Oh, I know, I mean, you don't have
to sell me on you. Oh, but I there's some places.
(26:29):
Like I said, there's been a couple of discoveries, a
couple of a couple of suggestions of places that I
would like us to be able to go. One was
in half was Iceland or Greenland or something like that.
But there was something that I was like, we need
to get there. It's the gold, it's the it's the
white whale. Let's go. So if the listener is unaware
(26:55):
YouTube edits, let me say now it and I have
recorded with it absolutely intrusive delay of a good nine
to thirteen seconds, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter. So the fact
that there's anything being recorded at all right now the
(27:16):
listeners should ah a miracle. B I don't even know
what the word is. I'm so, I'm loving Rome, I'm
loving the food. I'm in heaven. I'm being fairly productive
writing during the day. I don't know what else to say, folks,
I'm headed to Naples, Simona prim Vera. It's incredible. And
(27:39):
if you if I hear you saying that you're being
fairly productive, I know that means that you're being very productive. Well,
perhaps never as much, never enough. But I actually was
slightly healed of some of those concerns. During my piano facial,
I remembered the glad, the true self, I think God. Alright, Well,
(28:02):
as you said, there's a horrifying delay on this, so
if you're struggling to if you're struggling and consuming this episode,
note that's due to the delay. Um, but I love you.
I'll talk too soon. All right. Yeah that was Poog.
(28:25):
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