July 12, 2022 • 43 mins
Jacqueline had a back spasm, vasovagal symptoms, and can’t wait to talk about it. Kate is taken with a squirrel and not that interested in muscles. Spirits come alive when a new expression of lemon water is brought to the table. Jacqueline’s favorite moment in District 9 is recounted. Kate will travel with a blender.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Kate ber Land, I'm Jacqueline Novak. And this
is poog, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends,
two untamable intellects. This is our hobby, This is our hell,
This is our naked desire for free products. This is
today's topics. Loosely speaking, the pit blurry so much to say, honestly,
(00:27):
are you ready? Well, I don't know about say or
or tell. Actually it's quite a bit, it's quite a bit. Alright. One,
We're going to record yesterday. What happened profound back spasm? Okay,
Now I'm not that freaked out about it. As usually
I experienced a medical thing, as you know, whatever. The
(00:47):
experience of the medical thing was one thing, and then
secondary intrigued at my own bodily, you know, operations. So
as you know, we are set to record poog, and
then what happened. I don't remember actually what happened? No,
I mean, I mean on your side. Oh, you got
a text from Chris. Chris text me it was like
jack On has a horrific box spasm. You can't move, okay,
(01:10):
tell her about to worry at all? Yes, yes, And
and I was like still like maybe bring the mic in. So,
so this has never happened to me. So I've never fainted.
Have you ever fainted? I didn't faint yesterday, to be clear,
but I got close. Yeah okay. So, and I did
researched on the last night. So the area underneath my
shoulder blade on the right side has been a I
(01:32):
don't know, trigger point, a problem area for I don't
know ten years, okay, And I beg to have someone
put an elbow in there. I lay on various objects
and try to release it. It's the source of everything.
It starts down there, it flies up to the neck
your shoulder, okay. And and occasionally it sort of will
(01:52):
spasm a little bit okay, or get into this sort
of half SPASMI area like like what it feels like
right now, which is just like, okay, I gotta be
careful if I reach for something like we could have
a problem here, you know, and like so as it
goes away. So yesterday I'm feeling it. And you'll know
I did speak last week of needing to get my
ergo back on track. I remember, So it spasms a
(02:15):
little bit, I'm like, all right, it's fine. Whatever I
head upstairs, I do the unthinkable and decide to move
items that are on my folding table desk, the clothes
that where to keep the clean clothes, movement my dresser. Dresser, Okay,
others celebrate the holiday weekend. I decided I need to
pull ship together and and and have a desk. So
(02:37):
I'm gently putting away underwear and the most profound version
of the spasm of that area unfold. I literally I
cannot move, okay in this and what And it's an
interesting thing. People talk about how they cannot move, and
you know what does that mean? It can mean a
thousand different things. For me. It meant if I move
a centimeter, and that even includes while standing still, like
(02:59):
in a way that you position your own body and
your weight and or whatever. Naturally, you know, sharp pain
and the sharp pain. Okay, now here's the thing. It
seems to me like sharp pain, no matter how bad,
if it's localized to a certain area, like it seems
(03:19):
like you should be able to push past it. Yeah,
like move the rest of the body around that spot. Yes,
like that. You shouldn't be completely immobilized by pain in
one spot. You know what I mean? I mean, pain
is a full. The fact that I can be triggered
through almost nothing. That's what's so disturbing, right people, It's like, yeah,
(03:42):
I was putting on a pair of pants and then
in my I you know, I think it's real camel,
you know, straw. Okay, it's it's years of being the
curled shrimp over the computer. Okay, and and combined with stress, okay.
And then and then my heavy ask phone, my heavy
(04:02):
ass phone that I that I I am constantly adding
items to physically holding it in the right hand. It's
it's just it's whatever. So so I cannot move, and
I'm like, okay, now, like, okay, I can. He's sleeping.
I'm like, I'm like, but he's right there. And I'm like,
I'm like, I scream for small but not full body
because I can't move, so it just comes out like
(04:23):
a tiny whistle okay, a full whistle out of the throat.
And then I'm like, and it's so bad that instantly
I feel nausea sweat instant How can the body produce
produce it that fast sweat? Not a nausea at first? Okay?
(04:43):
And I squeak to him heating pad. Okay, I'm like
I'm like heating pad. Like the only thing I can
think is that this is the worst part of it all.
Not only can I not get a full breath, I
feel like I could get one, and actually that's terrifying.
I'd almost say five. Okay, So like this is what
(05:03):
I was able okay, right, wait, no, wait, that was
even too much. It was like, oh god, it felt
like a t It felt like a tea spoon of breath.
How did you not have a full tablespoon? You know,
I don't like that, Xader, I meant tablespoon Okay, so
I kind of didn't. But but so I'm going so
then so then he runs down for the heating pad, okay,
(05:24):
and I'm standing there and I'm going I can't. I
can like fairly breathe, okay, but my vision starts to
go okay, so would I later read a style vision? Okay?
To me, it's a vignette, you know, vignette where the
corners ever dark, yeah, curling in okay, Okay, Okay. This
(05:47):
sort of sound of silence, like like as though my
ears are filling with marshmallow. Okay, is like everything is
getting quiet except for then a ringing is flying up okay.
This is high pitched sort of ringing. I go, okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna make my way over to the
bed because I literally have to. I'm like, well, you know,
and so it's like three steps over. Don't recall how
(06:08):
I accomplished that. Okay, okay, and I managed to sit
on the bed and then Chris comes back in and
put the heating pat down, and I'm like, I don't,
I can't. I can't even communicate him, Like it's like terrifying.
I'm like I might at the hospital. Like the first
thing I thought was like I need oxygen, Like I
need one of those oxygen masks on me where like
I can only get a little sip, so it needs
(06:29):
to be pure oxygen. So I was like, I'm like,
I'm gonna lay in the heating pad and I was
like I can't breathe. We might have to go to
the hospital or something like yeah, okay, okay, but no,
we weren't there yet. Weren't there yet. This was like critical.
That was like twenty minutes later. So I laid on
(06:51):
the heating pat and I this was me self soothing, Okay,
I go, this is what I do with different things
like this. It's actually kind of useful. Tell you about
another nut allergy. I had like response the other night,
and I sort of had a similar effect. So I
said Chris, like I can barely breathe, Like we might
have go to hospital, even though like literally don't know
how I'd have to get there. They'd have to run
(07:11):
in with the auction. Home care helped to be home care.
I go, I go, I can only get little SIPs.
I'm going to take the little SIPs and hope that
as I lay in this heating pad, I'll get a
few more. But I literally was like, I don't remember
if I said it or not, but I was like,
people must be able to survive on little bits of oxygen.
(07:34):
I know, I know, Okay, So like God, there was
a scene in Spaceballs, you know Spaceballs mel Brooks never
saw his um, you know whatever. There's a scene where
it's like coming with a giant vacuum, the vacuums up
all the like oxygen out of Earth, and people all
like pass out. It's horrifying. Stuck with me, I can't bread,
(07:54):
it can't breathe, so like little SIPs, and I'm like, okay,
so now I bring in the goddamn Kundalini yogat Old
training okay, And I remember so like a lot of
the exercises back and me doing my breath work okay
to like he'll right. It was like things like you
know you're gonna inhale for twenty seconds, hold for twenty seconds,
(08:16):
exhale for twenty second, ship like that, which seems impossible,
and your body is starts to go into panic, right,
but you're like training, you get better and you're like
I'm actually alive. I'm fine, you know, and you're able
to control it. So like you do things like so
like doing that just now, I'm sipping in as if
through a straw. That was like ten breaths and it
(08:37):
hasn't yet like even caught in the chest where you
feel the satisfaction of like a breath, you know what
I mean. I was like, and then I'd hold it
to let it like like turn through my system. And
then this was the this was my heroism. Exhale fully okay,
because I was like, like there's another was like I
(09:01):
was like, I gotta get the CEO two out right, wow, Okay,
if you don't get it all the way out you're
a doctor. I was like, I was like, if I
don't get it all the way out, then a little
sip of oxygen, Like I have to deplete completely for
a little bit of oxygen to get in, so courageously
bringing myself back down to nothing. You see what I'm saying.
(09:24):
I don't know what I would do being completely emptied.
And then okay, well this is gonna save lives, okay,
And so I started to go, Okay, I was getting better.
I'm just holding Chris's hand, okay, staring at me okay,
And I'm like, okay, I think maybe I just got
(09:46):
four SIPs like instead of three, you know what I mean. Yeah,
And I'm also like, okay, what if I breathe. I
saw this thing the other day on like I breathing.
It was like breathing through the eyes instead of whatever.
I was like, okay, what and meaning just the nose, yes,
but meaning meaning basically like you know, remember the nasal
passages the hallways of how like we discussed how they're
(10:08):
like they go straight back to their carabiners. They're not
like two tubes headed straight into the eye. So it
was like instead of just breathing back and down, you
breathe all the way up, back and down, so it's
like you're like, oh, I almost pulled it out again.
So so like, and this is a big thing I've
(10:28):
had to learn at times with these things. I go,
if there is even an inch of improvement, yeah, you.
And this is like we talked about about, like our
disbelief and cumulative accumulative nature of things, like things actually
adding up mm hm hm in times of panic, you
must cling to the fact that they do. So I
was like a little more, a little more, a little more, okay,
(10:51):
And it was slowly getting point where I was like, okay,
that almost I got to where I said to Chris, Okay,
I think I just got a breath, that's like. And
I got to the point where I was like, this
is what I think going average shallow breathing is, yeah,
stressed out people. And I was like, I'm good. That's
how America lives. You're not breathing. We're not living on
full breath eye breathing or deep diaformatic breathing, which is
(11:12):
what I had to do to not I couldn't chest
breathe because it's the upper thoracic Okay, that's the problem.
So I had to go deep. I did do deep.
I just send it down. I'm I'm amazed, and now
you're fine, and I'll say I'll do a quick breathing thing,
which is that. First of all, I'm completely addicted to
my eyemask. I don't know how I ever lived without it.
(11:32):
The one I think I mentioned last week is I'm like,
my eyes open at like six thirty and like, no,
I want to keep going grab it. Your doll eyes
flutter against against my will, they flutter open. It's too early.
I want to sleep more on the mask, go of
them out for hours. It's you go to sleep without
the mask. Oh yeah, I misunderstood. Yeah, I never sleep
(11:54):
with the mask on. That feels weird. Your doll eyes
were fluttering against the silk. No, no, no, which for
the new world for you to go to sleep. There
is a breathing technique that I find knocks me out,
and I want to share it. I want to share
it with everyone. You know. You go in for one second,
out for two, in for three, out for four, in
(12:16):
for five, for six to ten or and then repeat. Honey,
I don't last two cycles. I'm out. Hold on, it's unbelievable.
I actually I got lost in the math. In for
one second, out for two, okay, in for three, right
out for four seconds. Okay, so it's always one more,
It's always one more, and then it is I look
(12:40):
at this morning, I was like, I want to keep sleeping,
but will I be able to knocked right out? The
next thing I know, it's nine My alarms going off
because I gotta wake up for poo sleep till nine thirty.
But that's what happens when I'm up late. This is
the thing I'm I'm been doing these late later shows
and then I'm I hate being a wake at when
I am. I love it's just as I'm raging into
(13:00):
the night, but it's just being like awakened my home
at one. I hate it. Yeah, I've been struggling in
the evenings, which has never been um who I am.
I'm not usually someone who Maybe it's because I'm still
on London harm I mean honestly, because normally I'm not
someone who lies in bed with racing thoughts classic Okay,
I'm actually like out. I mean part of it's like,
(13:22):
you know, I eat a late meal concount in front
of the TV, and then sort of get myself to bed,
which you know, classic poor hygiene, but works for me
like so many things sleep hygiene. Oh but you know
how I lulled myself into relaxation last night listening to
Dr Berg videos on YouTube. Now, if you google the
(13:43):
kinds of things we google, Dr Burg has probably found
his way into your life. Okay, who's that? Okay, he's
like YouTube guy. Okay, and I know nothing other than
other than he intrigues me. So so here he So
I spend the day on the heating pad okay, to
be clear, Okay, and it's whatever, doesn't matter, but it
I look up rhomboid spasm because I'm thinking it's the
(14:03):
rhomboid as usual, I'm going going in so he just
listen to one second of this, okay, and then I'll
get you to the part that that shocked me. On
the right side. What what is that rhomboid is a
muscle on the right side, and it elevates the scapular
right here. So let me have my demonstrator. Okay, you
get the idea. Okay, then fast your interest in the
(14:25):
body and muscles. It's like I I wonder if I'll
ever get there. Well, you don't have to if if
you don't need it, you know, paint rude. Well, I
guess we'll guess who. Yeah, no, no, but there's a
there's a there's an organ piece coming. This is I swear,
I'm not interested in telling you about muscles. It doesn't work, Okay,
(14:47):
this is my life because this pain is referred by
there's a gall bladder. Okay, I thought the gall bladder
was coming to me. Go ahead and just try this
at home and you'll see that true. Okay. So so
Dr Burke says he went to fucking chiropractic school literally
because he could never like he was trying to solve
(15:08):
his fucking rohomboid pain. Okay, that's like why he's a chiropractor.
So then he has this thing I didn't work for me.
I would say I wanted it too so bad, so
he says, because all the comments are people saying it worked. Okay.
So he's like, you think you have you got to
work the muscle back here, that's what it feels like.
He has you go under the rib cage kind of
(15:28):
in the center to the right, okay, and massage the
gall bladder okay, and and help cleared of it of
congestion of whatever the is going on there, and you
do that for a few minutes and then people's bromboid
spasm goes away. There were people in the YouTube comments saying, like,
you've just cured me of twelve years of pains. All right,
(15:50):
he was twelve, but literally, I mean that that like
seduces me that it was the goal bladder the whole time.
Could not but I don't know. It didn't work for me,
So I promise I'll get off the muscles. But this
this was exciting already. M So I fell asleep to
him talking about lemon water. We've all heard it, folks, right,
(16:10):
lemon water, lemon water, lemon water, and my ears perked up. Yes, yeah, Okay.
So he says that he listed the benefits, and I
just did for some reason when people give me so
I love going to bed to solutions. Okay. So it's
like it's like I hear him saying all the benefits
and it's just you know, it's endless, it's endless, it's
everything you want. Okay, and he's going but here's the
(16:32):
here's the trick. And this is what really gets me
because it's like, oh, there's a new element here. Okay.
Not you're just squeezing an organic lemon into the morning
and thinking something's happening. Drop your lemon into the blender
full stop. Yeah you heard me, full lemon water, eight
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ounces of water, lemon blend, blend, blend blend. If you
are unique, immediately seeds immediately, because, believe me, he talks,
you know, he talks about lecton's. Okay, so now he
says the seeds. If you are really someone who is
a shoe with seeds, yes, you can remove those. Okay. However,
(17:16):
he says, technically a lemon seed, it's not an apricot seed.
I mean, it's not an apricot pit, it's not a
you know, it's not a cherry pit. That they are edible,
and he and they they got a lot of nutrients. Okay,
so stop the pith, you know, the white part. I'm
gonna do this fucking today. I know I'm gonna do
it today. I know. Okay. Now he's like, my lemons
(17:37):
are organic. You can't do it that an organic lemon.
You have I fear that you can't. Now not because
if you're eating the whole thing, I need it. I
think I know because I thought about it too. I
was lying there, drifting off, going are the lemons the
lemons in my kitchen right now? I can't recall they're
from Ralphs and I just can't recall what they are.
And I was thinking, like, but they excitement want to
(17:58):
do it anyway, and knowing that some of the baby
still get a lot. I know, Okay, now of course
you could, you could add you could add more. Now
he's like, he likes to add a sweetener. He likes
to add a Stevia or whatever. Okay, and then he says,
quite delicious. Okay, this is like imagine drinking the whole
(18:21):
lemon every morning you have been no, I should imagine, okay,
which I think your response, by the way, lemon water. Yeah,
and then you are ingested. You're like a squirrel, You're
ingested entire lemon seeds. Everything. I want to do it
right now, and I know I'm now. The only thing
stopping me is the horror that it's in contempted to like,
(18:43):
pause the episode, go do it, bring it back. You know,
do you have I have conventional lemons from hell? I
have poison life. I have well it's don't but see
I would struggle because if if I had them in
the home, I'd be like, I might just do it.
I'd be like, fucking I. Now I do have an
organic lemon in the home. Okay, it's resting atop the
(19:04):
blender right now, cutting it into pieces, throwing it in. No,
hang on, hang on, hang the tiniest bit of water
you've ever had, I know. But it doesn't matter. It's
all of that's just to get it down. It's it's
not about the concentration. You can do it. You can
do as much. Yeah, I mean you're getting it all.
I am in awe, Like there's something about and he's
(19:27):
like the pith. We've been ignoring the pith for too long. White.
I remember, okay, I remember when I was like eight
years old, like this got in or maybe I was
twelking cares, but I remember eating a grapefruit and my
mom's friend was like, you know, you really should eat
the white part. She was like, the pith is like
where all the nutrients are, and that penetrated me in
(19:51):
indelibly in the hippocampus and it's still with me. And
but so this this lemon water, this entire lemon, I
am see, this is exactly the kind of thing where
I go and here it is, I eat a lemon
a day for thirty years, and I'm saved. Tell me
you're not saved. You'd have to be right. Hey, can
(20:13):
we get into can you tell me what he says
about it? I'm getting like I'm hard, okay, the way
the way that now you've come alive. Yeah, well he
talks about like this complete detox of of the liver
kind of thing. You know, maybe that was about the
Christopher's vegetables, but he's saying every day. I mean, obviously
we saw him and then he's just by the way
(20:33):
because then I caught him say something about and you know,
it all sounds like I have a sort of overkale
for a while. Okay, I was just like we've had enough, Okay,
you know, not overkale. But yeah, I'm just using you
know whatever kind of like like cheeseball language. Oh I've
been I used to be. I used to eat so
much kale and you know the kale salad. I'm on charge.
(20:54):
It's my month of charge. I'm living in charge summer. Yeah,
it's fantastic. So anyway, crustiferous vegetables, we cannot ignore Okay,
So the phyto nutrients, okay, he was, he was, I
(21:16):
was getting so sold on the phyto nutrients and getting
back he actually sells and I was like, you know,
I'm listening, okay, but he sells the powder of you know,
it's all the crustiferous vegetables in powder form, and you
know I'm interested. Okay, yeah, anyway, there's no oh oh right.
But then he made casual reference to kale and blueberry
(21:38):
smoothie daily, being like almost like, well you should all
be doing that. If you're not doing that, like your
your alone, you know, And he just said kale and
blueberry like just specific. It wasn't some vague in general thing.
It was kale, organic blueberries frozen men, And this is
get ready, don't forget folks, frozen berries and have more
nutrients more nutrient point. Okay, it's a frozen harvested and frozen. Yeah,
(22:02):
you're so proud carrying home your your canvas sacked, have
your your blueberries that have oxidated to the heavens. They're
just they're an impression of a blueberry there. They're a
blurry memory. They're a ghost of a blueberry. Uh So,
so get ready, So he said, if you don't want
(22:24):
to use you know, Stevia, your favorite sweetener, frozen blueberries
and the lemon. Here we fucking gore, we fucking go. Here,
we fucking go imagining because I'm okay, something about him
saying eight ounces right, which obviously which like, as we
all know, it's like a tea spoon, right. I was like,
(22:45):
that's that's not the water as much as you thought. Okay,
but then this idea of this frozen slurry blended to hell,
the word slurry comes to mind. Okay, this kind of yeah,
the berries help, okay, is kind of lemony slurry with
with frozen blueberries. Okay, And you're kind of like, I
(23:06):
don't even know that. I want to thin it out
too much. I think it's God's drink. Like I'm you know,
I'm hearing this, and I'm like, oh my god, here's
the thing, a lemon that's in the fridge, so it's cold. Well,
that's that's That's exactly where I went mere eighteen seconds ago.
Cold lemon, cold water, frozen blueberries. Imagine that, Imagine that
(23:28):
drinking that. Okay, I'm assuming he wants you to do
it on an empty stomach. Obviously it's talking waking up
having that. I mean, can you fucking imagine imagining myself?
I just had a vision of myself in Greece. I'm
sixty two years old, I'm walking barefoot on the sand.
I have a long linen dress on. I'm I just
(23:49):
immediately placed myself in your fantasy. Okay, which was so?
I said, I saw you walking along the beach, and
I saw you glancing up, okay, and seeing like like
a good like three d feet away okay, me up
on a balcony okay, okay, And I waved you, and
you glance up, and I lift up my glass okay,
and a little knowing toast towards you. And even though
(24:11):
you're like three feet away yards okay, I think yards,
three football fields whatever. Yeah, and you know it's the
lemon blueberry. Okay. You can barely see the sun is blinding,
you could barely see the color, but you're able to
recognize it because you know what it is, and you
know and we know I know what it is. Yeah,
and we know what we did. You know. It's funny
(24:32):
with something like this, a ritual like this, it becomes introduced.
I immediately start panicking about like I've never done this
right already, I've integrated it into my life at this point,
right like my mind right now, like, well, this is
what I'm doing now forever. How will you manage on trips?
And immediately I start panting about trips okay, because I'm
also imagining myself leaving and going day three on vacation,
(24:54):
going wow, and then but then you know, coming back
and home and going oh, I can't wait to get
back to it, or coming home unpacking and then being
like I can't wait to wake up and have my
and it's okay, a piece for the idea that you
that you that you'll have, you'll go without it. It's
good to be away from things, yeah, And I think
that is like important. You can't become too Sam already
trying to go okay, it's okay if you it's okay.
(25:16):
A couple of days out of the year you don't
do it. Yeah. Yeah, although I'm trying to think there
are ways, like let's just go the other way, Let's
just go the obsessive way, which is how would you
get it every day? If you could you travel with
a nut bullet for the rest of your life. I
mean that's what the that's what the only answer is, well, okay, no,
that's interesting. I was just thinking. My thought was like, okay,
(25:38):
truly like somewhere where you're not going to have a plug.
I don't know. I was like, I guess, I don't know.
I was just like, is there a version where you
slurry it up freeze it instantly? Nope? Okay, wait, sorry,
sorry Starry, you going slurry it up, freeze it? And
so it's blur, blended, frozen, packed in some kind of
(25:59):
packed with dry eyes, you shipping ahead your hotel and
and oh my god, I'm really excited. And you know,
you know everyone the hags are going to try it.
Oh yeah, there's gonna be a run posted two stories. Folks.
Watch it be undrinkable. I know it's not going to
(26:21):
be dr burg would never I'm gonna do it, but
you better sweeting it. What about doing it midday? Folks?
If you if you think you're afraid, well here's the thing. Okay,
you know instead of coughing the afternoon, you know what
I do? Can you imagine? Oh? Well, of course I don't.
I don't just drive the cortisol through. I don't just
(26:42):
you know, say tap tap on the adrenals, get it going. No,
I have a lemon. Oh what's that in your bag?
A lemon? What are you gonna do with that? The
same thing I do every day. And that's the reason
I'm a god and you're a mere man. Oh my god.
And then nutra bullet flies out. Okay, all right, let's
just take a minute with it, because I'm like, I'm excited.
(27:02):
Oh so the first thing in the morning you're worried
about for some reason, You're going to say, what if
I do in the afternoon, Like, I want to try
it for I'm sure I'm about to go to the supermarket.
I want to get an organic lemon. Nothing is better
than well, if you I guess the time of day?
Do you just mean after having eaten a breakfast? Is
that I'm talking about empty stomach upon waking is when
(27:24):
you want to take you know, your vitamin, see your
lifemospheric You're right, but some people's empty stomach retains for
later because I eat late at night, and so if
I want to have any hope of being within any
window of anything approaching intermittent fasting, right, you know, even
twelve hours? You know, since your last meal six pm dinner,
(27:45):
six six am breakfast? Right, like is bare minimum? Right?
They say for like health like you better not eating
within you better have a twelve hours quote fast, right,
And so I think if I'm up and I'm doing
my intermittent fat, I can certainly launch my first meal
with the lemon drink. Oh, yeah, I meant, but is
(28:08):
there me wonder I know if the meaning of you
dumping in on top of of your forty minutes after
you know, charred and eggs, Yeah, with my spicy sshwan right,
that's sitting there like sauce like in your stomach sort
of food like now is it just is the lemon
just sort of landing? Like meaning are you flushing the
liver in the same way? Probably exactly the probably not.
(28:34):
So what's are you worried that on an empty stomach
that's gonna like trigger a migraine or something. By the way,
some ideas about migraines if you want to, I mean
all of his ideas. I think it's so satisfying. Is that,
like you kind of haven't heard them before? Although he
does he does recommend healthy ketogenic and he recommends you know,
what else is he recommended. I tell, did I stay
(28:54):
in the last poog? Remind me that I did my
I was devastated because I did my mushroom micro dose pill.
I felt no psychotropics, like, um, you know, it was
completely seperceptual. I didn't feel high at all, but felt
good and then at night got a blistering headache which
triggered a two day migraine. To tell you this devastating,
which is like when we tried, which is is like
(29:17):
what happens pilocide. But I thought, weren't you going to research? Right?
Wasn't no right? Because you would depressed your protocols is
like the protocol you're so excited about. Now I'm going
to talk to my integrative therapist about it. Um but
if what is that? Is that a? Is that a food?
Is that a? What is that? It's it's this, it's this,
um mycology, psychology? Are they related? They're the mushroom person
(29:41):
is the company? And yeah? Yeah? And then like a
functional doctor, functional medicine doctor. Not yet, honey, but let
me tell you that's my Christmas present to myself. I'm
already looking ahead to December. I want to get that.
I want someone to be again, blood drawn ship and
a bowl. I want them looking at everything. I didn't
I get us, didn't I get something I thought? I mean,
(30:03):
I think something's been sent to us that involved the
pin prick tests. Though I've heard is like now it's ship.
You send your own ship back. To be clear, we
got the matter? I don't think we have. But I've
researched and I've sent them to you, going, should we
get this? I mean we should we? Sure? Should? You know?
And also, oh, I'm back on that mood probiotic that
(30:23):
I completely fell off and you know, didn't give a
chance to work. How is it? I of course did
it for five days and was like this is a
Well there was the oral one that we got, which
which I fell off. I keep falling off. And then
I got this other one from in o Vic's labs
because remember I did that research that I found those
papers that said these probiotics actually like have serious mental health,
(30:48):
like yeah, these labs are changed, um, and and so
I've I've started on that one and we'll see, we'll see.
I gotta give it. I mean, how dare I ask
for alts when I won't try something for more than
a week. It means humiliation. I know, you have to
do a full sixty days. I'm so enchanted with the
(31:18):
squirrel outside. Yeah, they're there. They got something. Really, When
you see one really there with the nut, it's just it's,
oh my god. When up close, yeah, the hands the nut,
it's just it's astonishing. It's the sweetest thing in the world.
And they live among us, I know, And imagine how
nice it would be if you were just a squirrel
(31:40):
working on a nut. Like, I feel so happy for them.
Like when you look in and you see me recording
a podcast and you have no idea that you've made
your way into the into the sound waves, they assume that, well, yeah,
there's that. That's the thing about consciousness. It's like, what
was it. There's this there's like the seminal science paper
(32:02):
or something called like to be a bat or something.
I'm I'm butchering this beyond okay, but nonetheless I'll find pleasure.
I remember. It hit me really hard because it was
all about this idea of like, you know, we can
study you can dissect an animal, you know, you can
study consciousness in the brain all this, but like at
the end of the day, you will never know what
it's like to be a bat like at the end
(32:23):
of the day. Well, and like that is like I'm
looking at that squirrel like what am I to it?
What even like I could be like I could do
the researcher and find out what does squirrels see? Right?
Where are their eyes capable of the colors? The gradient that?
But what those things mean? What they mean to them?
Are they blurry beyond fift but what Yeah, there's no
there's no way to understand ever. Oh you know what
(32:44):
I'm also gonna do. Oh my god. So that's what
I watched last night as I was falling asleep, this
unbelievable clip that John Earley sent me about this wasp.
I'm gonna just I'm gonna I'm gonna put this like,
I'm gonna give you the quick explanation. What happens. There's
this caterpillar and they show the caterpillar on this leaf.
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It's going to talents going wild. This wasp, this little
baby wasp comes in lands again baby or you're just
being cute about it. The wasp is a baby again.
This huge fight again, the huge fight. The caterpillar throws
the waspot for like wow, the caterpillar has really got it.
The wasp comes back. The wasp is trying to attack
the caterpillar, and it's like all the wasp needs is
a few seconds. Eventually, the wasp penetrates the caterpillar. You
(33:26):
see the caterpillar kind of like oh fuck, kind of
like flail around, become limp. The wasp is injecting the
caterpillar with its eggs. Okay, wait what yeah, the caterpillar
goes about its life. The caterpillar goes about its life.
It's eating, it's eating, it's eating. All of a sudden,
it freezes and it's like weeks later, the wasp eggs
(33:49):
are starting to hatch inside the caterpillar. The wasp eggs
released a hormone that freezes the caterpillar, makes it numb.
These fucking there are fifty wasps. I repeat, fifty larva wasps.
That begins in nightmare. I can't believe hatch through the caterpillar.
They're hatching through the pushing out through the caterpillar. What
happens next almost made me cry. You think, this caterpillar,
(34:12):
there's no way it's you know, it's dead. It's beyond dead.
The caterpillar starts smooth around. It comes back to life.
It survives having fifty wasps. Wow, larva burst through its membrane. No, no,
this is the part that made me lose my shit.
Then the caterpillar, the caterpillar and the and the wasp
are mortal enemies. Okay, typically here this is what I
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was going to ask about. The caterpillar starts to protect
the larva, spins out of its own silk, this like
net that protects the larva. Starts guarding the larva so
that they can grow. The spider comes, tries to attack
the caterpillaring attacks the spider get out of here, starts
to watch over and protect the wasps. Rely, sh it,
(34:57):
and then I'm forgetting what happens the wasp like but
they yeah, and then and then eventually the wasted hatch
and the caterpillar. Can you astonish? Isn't complete? This? Wait,
so it's a translating radio. Oh it is, I my silence.
I'm gonna show the video, but I was you have
to watch it is respectful, like I will not interrupt
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this and just that idea. There's a lot going on there.
There's a lot of metaphor going on there. There's a lot.
We must remember to always turn to nature, going like
there's some there's something something there and I'm gonna grab it,
like I can't move on from the storyline. We must
turn to nature. Whatever I was like, we must protect
that which abuses us. No, that's not it. It's but
(35:42):
is that how wasps? Like I guess now that's kind
of wasp that's how they like these caterpillars? What is
the reproduction method of a caterpillar? How do you find
you that? I don't know because because I'm going where
there's the caterpillars? Children? Babies? Yeah, I don't know, I've forgotten.
(36:06):
I really like calling like children is a really sweet. Um. Well,
this is something no one gets. No one gets. I
always take people's time trying to explain what this was
so funny to me, and I feel like you'll get it.
And Okay, what was that fucking movie? That feels familiar?
It's like very like greedy and kind of like realistic
(36:30):
for for this kind of movie. That was the feeling.
And there's like these wild fights. One of the aliens
has like this little child who like misses home, and
it's very like whatever, And and there's this moment where
you know, the human guys like trying to encourage the
like father alien or something like the wild action scene okay,
(36:52):
and maybe like the guy's trapped or something and he's
trying to encourage him to like get out right, and
we know that this alien has this little like boy
child alien child. Okay, but we've like come to love
who like plays a little mobile of of like planets
and mrs his own home, and like it's like, despite
being repulsive, if I know this movie, what is that,
it was sort of like it was considered like it
(37:13):
was it was big. It wasn't more of the world's
Project Z or something like that, but it's something like that.
So but anyway, he goes and it makes me laugh
really here, like he's like, think of your boy man,
okay about the alien. I think of your boy. Okay,
(37:35):
your boy, your boy man. I don't know what his
accent was. I can't remember like whether was he a
brid or whatever. Okay, but it was like him sort
of fluidly calling the alien child your boy, like it's
(37:56):
it's heartwarming and funny to me. Then we can't help
but do it. It's like I don't know, it's kind
of like whenever someone applies jargon, even like to meet
your boy, like to say your boy like in America
is a little like old fashioned, right, So it's like,
(38:17):
but whatever someone applies, Like, have you ever had someone
apply like trying to think of a good example, Oh,
like it would be like, you know, someone just do
like it, well you and your old man dad, and
you're like, and that's never been a term for you.
And there's sort of the thrill of the way that
their jargon. Oh, totally to try it on. I feel
like I did that recently. I tried on something. What
(38:39):
was it? Like I once heard someone refer to their
you know, partner like literally like just like my better half. Okay, yeah,
and I was like, whoa, Like they just like wait,
like rolled off the tongue. Oh. I had a huge
realization this morning. Perhaps that's not what it is an
observation of my need to end this need to end
(39:05):
minor back and forth little casual conversations with like neighbors
or whoever with a button. Yeah, we'll take care of yourself. Yeah, okay,
I was thinking of it. I'm like and so like
I tried it for these original ones, and then what
do I do when I don't have one, right, and
it's like, oh, well, there's the classic. You know, I
have a nice day. Okay, have a good one, right,
(39:26):
you know, have a guys day, have a good one whatever.
Classic I say, have a good one a lot, have
a good one, okay. And so I was thinking about
I was like, but and then in order to make
that not just feel so generic, Yeah, I feel like
this is what's embarrassing. There's this thing that happens where
it's almost like trying to imbue that common statement with
(39:49):
the weight of all the nuance of humanity that was
addressed in the previous conversation, almost like, well, given all
that we've sat here and discussed, nonetheless, must we move
into this day, So do your best to have a
good one, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's completely No,
it's the poetry. It's the poetry of the every day.
(40:11):
It's like, it's like and the weight of that is
more than anything. It's like when all of the complications
and all the hope and the horror of the day
can only be expressed expressed through like the universality of
of just like a you know, a trope or something.
In the end, all I can say is yea or
(40:32):
or like you know, enjoy your weekend? Yeah, you have
a good one? Really does it? Though? I have a
good one? Okay, I have something to say, which I
feel like this is suddenly I'm seeing this spreading around
like a wildfire. I'm hearing a lot of appreciate you.
Have you noticed this familiar? Yeah, I'm hearing a lot
(40:54):
of it lately, you know, like um to you know,
two servers to uh. Like I'm hearing people say this
like appreciate you. I mean hearing that a lot in
stores interest like really transactional. I'm gonna go get the lemon.
It's all I can think about. I mean, this whole
episode has been eclipsed by the lemon. For me, well,
(41:16):
the episode found its soul in the lemon. Lew could
we have arrived there without my back spasm being described? No,
you know, moment by moment. I hope not. I don't
think so. Yeah. Lemon slurry, um, blueberries, wow, sweeten as
(41:36):
you will. You will be blamed if you try it
and you claim that's suite hard. You were told you
can sweeten it as you will. I'm I I'm going
to do this. If not today tomorrow, and I can't
wait to see everyone's attempts. And to be clear, you're
gonna need a really, you're gonna get a high powered
blender US. I was listening to this lying there I go,
(41:59):
it's time for Yeah, I have to say listen because
it's a big purchase. But the amount of time does
it work? Yes? And you use it for stronger yes
it is. But here I just want to say, though
I think the nutrible. The newer ones are really good.
There you know of the cost, I don't know. I
(42:20):
think it will bust through a limon if you chop
it enough. If you chop it enough to be just fine, okay,
and then you can travel to Greece with it. As
a six year old. I just wonder, right, I just
wonder if you know, if Vita Mix has become the
thing where like they don't innovate, other brands actually moved
(42:43):
past them. And then we're like old women stuck on
the idea that the Vite Mix is best just because
it will totally eighties. This is why you have to
do your research on horsepower. I'm sure they're less expensive
options that are great. And again I was blown away
by my natable that I purchased when I was in
Pittsburgh for months. Yeah, it was blown away. You're talking
about the thing that like you flip it over on top. Yep, yep, yep.
(43:06):
Yeah I had one. I had a normal model. Mine
was a ninja. Mine was a ninja. I had the
most recent model, and I was Florida. Yeah, okay, I
truly have to go all right, love you, love you
like that was poog. If you enjoyed coog, please subscribe, rate,
(43:30):
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Hi, I'm Kate ber Land, I'm Jacqueline Novak. And this
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today's topics. Loosely speaking, the pit blurry so much to say, honestly,
(00:27):
are you ready? Well, I don't know about say or
or tell. Actually it's quite a bit, it's quite a bit. Alright. One,
We're going to record yesterday. What happened profound back spasm? Okay,
Now I'm not that freaked out about it. As usually
I experienced a medical thing, as you know, whatever. The
(00:47):
experience of the medical thing was one thing, and then
secondary intrigued at my own bodily, you know, operations. So
as you know, we are set to record poog, and
then what happened. I don't remember actually what happened? No,
I mean, I mean on your side. Oh, you got
a text from Chris. Chris text me it was like
jack On has a horrific box spasm. You can't move, okay,
(01:10):
tell her about to worry at all? Yes, yes, And
and I was like still like maybe bring the mic in. So,
so this has never happened to me. So I've never fainted.
Have you ever fainted? I didn't faint yesterday, to be clear,
but I got close. Yeah okay. So, and I did
researched on the last night. So the area underneath my
shoulder blade on the right side has been a I
(01:32):
don't know, trigger point, a problem area for I don't
know ten years, okay, And I beg to have someone
put an elbow in there. I lay on various objects
and try to release it. It's the source of everything.
It starts down there, it flies up to the neck
your shoulder, okay. And and occasionally it sort of will
(01:52):
spasm a little bit okay, or get into this sort
of half SPASMI area like like what it feels like
right now, which is just like, okay, I gotta be
careful if I reach for something like we could have
a problem here, you know, and like so as it
goes away. So yesterday I'm feeling it. And you'll know
I did speak last week of needing to get my
ergo back on track. I remember, So it spasms a
(02:15):
little bit, I'm like, all right, it's fine. Whatever I
head upstairs, I do the unthinkable and decide to move
items that are on my folding table desk, the clothes
that where to keep the clean clothes, movement my dresser. Dresser, Okay,
others celebrate the holiday weekend. I decided I need to
pull ship together and and and have a desk. So
(02:37):
I'm gently putting away underwear and the most profound version
of the spasm of that area unfold. I literally I
cannot move, okay in this and what And it's an
interesting thing. People talk about how they cannot move, and
you know what does that mean? It can mean a
thousand different things. For me. It meant if I move
a centimeter, and that even includes while standing still, like
(02:59):
in a way that you position your own body and
your weight and or whatever. Naturally, you know, sharp pain
and the sharp pain. Okay, now here's the thing. It
seems to me like sharp pain, no matter how bad,
if it's localized to a certain area, like it seems
(03:19):
like you should be able to push past it. Yeah,
like move the rest of the body around that spot. Yes,
like that. You shouldn't be completely immobilized by pain in
one spot. You know what I mean? I mean, pain
is a full. The fact that I can be triggered
through almost nothing. That's what's so disturbing, right people, It's like, yeah,
(03:42):
I was putting on a pair of pants and then
in my I you know, I think it's real camel,
you know, straw. Okay, it's it's years of being the
curled shrimp over the computer. Okay, and and combined with stress, okay.
And then and then my heavy ask phone, my heavy
(04:02):
ass phone that I that I I am constantly adding
items to physically holding it in the right hand. It's
it's just it's whatever. So so I cannot move, and
I'm like, okay, now, like, okay, I can. He's sleeping.
I'm like, I'm like, but he's right there. And I'm like,
I'm like, I scream for small but not full body
because I can't move, so it just comes out like
(04:23):
a tiny whistle okay, a full whistle out of the throat.
And then I'm like, and it's so bad that instantly
I feel nausea sweat instant How can the body produce
produce it that fast sweat? Not a nausea at first? Okay?
(04:43):
And I squeak to him heating pad. Okay, I'm like
I'm like heating pad. Like the only thing I can
think is that this is the worst part of it all.
Not only can I not get a full breath, I
feel like I could get one, and actually that's terrifying.
I'd almost say five. Okay, So like this is what
(05:03):
I was able okay, right, wait, no, wait, that was
even too much. It was like, oh god, it felt
like a t It felt like a tea spoon of breath.
How did you not have a full tablespoon? You know,
I don't like that, Xader, I meant tablespoon Okay, so
I kind of didn't. But but so I'm going so
then so then he runs down for the heating pad, okay,
(05:24):
and I'm standing there and I'm going I can't. I
can like fairly breathe, okay, but my vision starts to
go okay, so would I later read a style vision? Okay?
To me, it's a vignette, you know, vignette where the
corners ever dark, yeah, curling in okay, Okay, Okay. This
(05:47):
sort of sound of silence, like like as though my
ears are filling with marshmallow. Okay, is like everything is
getting quiet except for then a ringing is flying up okay.
This is high pitched sort of ringing. I go, okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna make my way over to the
bed because I literally have to. I'm like, well, you know,
and so it's like three steps over. Don't recall how
(06:08):
I accomplished that. Okay, okay, and I managed to sit
on the bed and then Chris comes back in and
put the heating pat down, and I'm like, I don't,
I can't. I can't even communicate him, Like it's like terrifying.
I'm like I might at the hospital. Like the first
thing I thought was like I need oxygen, Like I
need one of those oxygen masks on me where like
I can only get a little sip, so it needs
(06:29):
to be pure oxygen. So I was like, I'm like,
I'm gonna lay in the heating pad and I was
like I can't breathe. We might have to go to
the hospital or something like yeah, okay, okay, but no,
we weren't there yet. Weren't there yet. This was like critical.
That was like twenty minutes later. So I laid on
(06:51):
the heating pat and I this was me self soothing, Okay,
I go, this is what I do with different things
like this. It's actually kind of useful. Tell you about
another nut allergy. I had like response the other night,
and I sort of had a similar effect. So I
said Chris, like I can barely breathe, Like we might
have go to hospital, even though like literally don't know
how I'd have to get there. They'd have to run
(07:11):
in with the auction. Home care helped to be home care.
I go, I go, I can only get little SIPs.
I'm going to take the little SIPs and hope that
as I lay in this heating pad, I'll get a
few more. But I literally was like, I don't remember
if I said it or not, but I was like,
people must be able to survive on little bits of oxygen.
(07:34):
I know, I know, Okay, So like God, there was
a scene in Spaceballs, you know Spaceballs mel Brooks never
saw his um, you know whatever. There's a scene where
it's like coming with a giant vacuum, the vacuums up
all the like oxygen out of Earth, and people all
like pass out. It's horrifying. Stuck with me, I can't bread,
(07:54):
it can't breathe, so like little SIPs, and I'm like, okay,
so now I bring in the goddamn Kundalini yogat Old
training okay, And I remember so like a lot of
the exercises back and me doing my breath work okay
to like he'll right. It was like things like you
know you're gonna inhale for twenty seconds, hold for twenty seconds,
(08:16):
exhale for twenty second, ship like that, which seems impossible,
and your body is starts to go into panic, right,
but you're like training, you get better and you're like
I'm actually alive. I'm fine, you know, and you're able
to control it. So like you do things like so
like doing that just now, I'm sipping in as if
through a straw. That was like ten breaths and it
(08:37):
hasn't yet like even caught in the chest where you
feel the satisfaction of like a breath, you know what
I mean. I was like, and then I'd hold it
to let it like like turn through my system. And
then this was the this was my heroism. Exhale fully okay,
because I was like, like there's another was like I
(09:01):
was like, I gotta get the CEO two out right, wow, Okay,
if you don't get it all the way out you're
a doctor. I was like, I was like, if I
don't get it all the way out, then a little
sip of oxygen, Like I have to deplete completely for
a little bit of oxygen to get in, so courageously
bringing myself back down to nothing. You see what I'm saying.
(09:24):
I don't know what I would do being completely emptied.
And then okay, well this is gonna save lives, okay,
And so I started to go, Okay, I was getting better.
I'm just holding Chris's hand, okay, staring at me okay,
And I'm like, okay, I think maybe I just got
(09:46):
four SIPs like instead of three, you know what I mean. Yeah,
And I'm also like, okay, what if I breathe. I
saw this thing the other day on like I breathing.
It was like breathing through the eyes instead of whatever.
I was like, okay, what and meaning just the nose, yes,
but meaning meaning basically like you know, remember the nasal
passages the hallways of how like we discussed how they're
(10:08):
like they go straight back to their carabiners. They're not
like two tubes headed straight into the eye. So it
was like instead of just breathing back and down, you
breathe all the way up, back and down, so it's
like you're like, oh, I almost pulled it out again.
So so like, and this is a big thing I've
(10:28):
had to learn at times with these things. I go,
if there is even an inch of improvement, yeah, you.
And this is like we talked about about, like our
disbelief and cumulative accumulative nature of things, like things actually
adding up mm hm hm in times of panic, you
must cling to the fact that they do. So I
was like a little more, a little more, a little more, okay,
(10:51):
And it was slowly getting point where I was like, okay,
that almost I got to where I said to Chris, Okay,
I think I just got a breath, that's like. And
I got to the point where I was like, this
is what I think going average shallow breathing is, yeah,
stressed out people. And I was like, I'm good. That's
how America lives. You're not breathing. We're not living on
full breath eye breathing or deep diaformatic breathing, which is
(11:12):
what I had to do to not I couldn't chest
breathe because it's the upper thoracic Okay, that's the problem.
So I had to go deep. I did do deep.
I just send it down. I'm I'm amazed, and now
you're fine, and I'll say I'll do a quick breathing thing,
which is that. First of all, I'm completely addicted to
my eyemask. I don't know how I ever lived without it.
(11:32):
The one I think I mentioned last week is I'm like,
my eyes open at like six thirty and like, no,
I want to keep going grab it. Your doll eyes
flutter against against my will, they flutter open. It's too early.
I want to sleep more on the mask, go of
them out for hours. It's you go to sleep without
the mask. Oh yeah, I misunderstood. Yeah, I never sleep
(11:54):
with the mask on. That feels weird. Your doll eyes
were fluttering against the silk. No, no, no, which for
the new world for you to go to sleep. There
is a breathing technique that I find knocks me out,
and I want to share it. I want to share
it with everyone. You know. You go in for one second,
out for two, in for three, out for four, in
(12:16):
for five, for six to ten or and then repeat. Honey,
I don't last two cycles. I'm out. Hold on, it's unbelievable.
I actually I got lost in the math. In for
one second, out for two, okay, in for three, right
out for four seconds. Okay, so it's always one more,
It's always one more, and then it is I look
(12:40):
at this morning, I was like, I want to keep sleeping,
but will I be able to knocked right out? The
next thing I know, it's nine My alarms going off
because I gotta wake up for poo sleep till nine thirty.
But that's what happens when I'm up late. This is
the thing I'm I'm been doing these late later shows
and then I'm I hate being a wake at when
I am. I love it's just as I'm raging into
(13:00):
the night, but it's just being like awakened my home
at one. I hate it. Yeah, I've been struggling in
the evenings, which has never been um who I am.
I'm not usually someone who Maybe it's because I'm still
on London harm I mean honestly, because normally I'm not
someone who lies in bed with racing thoughts classic Okay,
I'm actually like out. I mean part of it's like,
(13:22):
you know, I eat a late meal concount in front
of the TV, and then sort of get myself to bed,
which you know, classic poor hygiene, but works for me
like so many things sleep hygiene. Oh but you know
how I lulled myself into relaxation last night listening to
Dr Berg videos on YouTube. Now, if you google the
(13:43):
kinds of things we google, Dr Burg has probably found
his way into your life. Okay, who's that? Okay, he's
like YouTube guy. Okay, and I know nothing other than
other than he intrigues me. So so here he So
I spend the day on the heating pad okay, to
be clear, Okay, and it's whatever, doesn't matter, but it
I look up rhomboid spasm because I'm thinking it's the
(14:03):
rhomboid as usual, I'm going going in so he just
listen to one second of this, okay, and then I'll
get you to the part that that shocked me. On
the right side. What what is that rhomboid is a
muscle on the right side, and it elevates the scapular
right here. So let me have my demonstrator. Okay, you
get the idea. Okay, then fast your interest in the
(14:25):
body and muscles. It's like I I wonder if I'll
ever get there. Well, you don't have to if if
you don't need it, you know, paint rude. Well, I
guess we'll guess who. Yeah, no, no, but there's a
there's a there's an organ piece coming. This is I swear,
I'm not interested in telling you about muscles. It doesn't work, Okay,
(14:47):
this is my life because this pain is referred by
there's a gall bladder. Okay, I thought the gall bladder
was coming to me. Go ahead and just try this
at home and you'll see that true. Okay. So so
Dr Burke says he went to fucking chiropractic school literally
because he could never like he was trying to solve
(15:08):
his fucking rohomboid pain. Okay, that's like why he's a chiropractor.
So then he has this thing I didn't work for me.
I would say I wanted it too so bad, so
he says, because all the comments are people saying it worked. Okay.
So he's like, you think you have you got to
work the muscle back here, that's what it feels like.
He has you go under the rib cage kind of
(15:28):
in the center to the right, okay, and massage the
gall bladder okay, and and help cleared of it of
congestion of whatever the is going on there, and you
do that for a few minutes and then people's bromboid
spasm goes away. There were people in the YouTube comments saying, like,
you've just cured me of twelve years of pains. All right,
(15:50):
he was twelve, but literally, I mean that that like
seduces me that it was the goal bladder the whole time.
Could not but I don't know. It didn't work for me,
So I promise I'll get off the muscles. But this
this was exciting already. M So I fell asleep to
him talking about lemon water. We've all heard it, folks, right,
(16:10):
lemon water, lemon water, lemon water, and my ears perked up. Yes, yeah, Okay.
So he says that he listed the benefits, and I
just did for some reason when people give me so
I love going to bed to solutions. Okay. So it's
like it's like I hear him saying all the benefits
and it's just you know, it's endless, it's endless, it's
everything you want. Okay, and he's going but here's the
(16:32):
here's the trick. And this is what really gets me
because it's like, oh, there's a new element here. Okay.
Not you're just squeezing an organic lemon into the morning
and thinking something's happening. Drop your lemon into the blender
full stop. Yeah you heard me, full lemon water, eight
(16:53):
ounces of water, lemon blend, blend, blend blend. If you
are unique, immediately seeds immediately, because, believe me, he talks,
you know, he talks about lecton's. Okay, so now he
says the seeds. If you are really someone who is
a shoe with seeds, yes, you can remove those. Okay. However,
(17:16):
he says, technically a lemon seed, it's not an apricot seed.
I mean, it's not an apricot pit, it's not a
you know, it's not a cherry pit. That they are edible,
and he and they they got a lot of nutrients. Okay,
so stop the pith, you know, the white part. I'm
gonna do this fucking today. I know I'm gonna do
it today. I know. Okay. Now he's like, my lemons
(17:37):
are organic. You can't do it that an organic lemon.
You have I fear that you can't. Now not because
if you're eating the whole thing, I need it. I
think I know because I thought about it too. I
was lying there, drifting off, going are the lemons the
lemons in my kitchen right now? I can't recall they're
from Ralphs and I just can't recall what they are.
And I was thinking, like, but they excitement want to
(17:58):
do it anyway, and knowing that some of the baby
still get a lot. I know, Okay, now of course
you could, you could add you could add more. Now
he's like, he likes to add a sweetener. He likes
to add a Stevia or whatever. Okay, and then he says,
quite delicious. Okay, this is like imagine drinking the whole
(18:21):
lemon every morning you have been no, I should imagine, okay,
which I think your response, by the way, lemon water. Yeah,
and then you are ingested. You're like a squirrel, You're
ingested entire lemon seeds. Everything. I want to do it
right now, and I know I'm now. The only thing
stopping me is the horror that it's in contempted to like,
(18:43):
pause the episode, go do it, bring it back. You know,
do you have I have conventional lemons from hell? I
have poison life. I have well it's don't but see
I would struggle because if if I had them in
the home, I'd be like, I might just do it.
I'd be like, fucking I. Now I do have an
organic lemon in the home. Okay, it's resting atop the
(19:04):
blender right now, cutting it into pieces, throwing it in. No,
hang on, hang on, hang the tiniest bit of water
you've ever had, I know. But it doesn't matter. It's
all of that's just to get it down. It's it's
not about the concentration. You can do it. You can
do as much. Yeah, I mean you're getting it all.
I am in awe, Like there's something about and he's
(19:27):
like the pith. We've been ignoring the pith for too long. White.
I remember, okay, I remember when I was like eight
years old, like this got in or maybe I was
twelking cares, but I remember eating a grapefruit and my
mom's friend was like, you know, you really should eat
the white part. She was like, the pith is like
where all the nutrients are, and that penetrated me in
(19:51):
indelibly in the hippocampus and it's still with me. And
but so this this lemon water, this entire lemon, I
am see, this is exactly the kind of thing where
I go and here it is, I eat a lemon
a day for thirty years, and I'm saved. Tell me
you're not saved. You'd have to be right. Hey, can
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we get into can you tell me what he says
about it? I'm getting like I'm hard, okay, the way
the way that now you've come alive. Yeah, well he
talks about like this complete detox of of the liver
kind of thing. You know, maybe that was about the
Christopher's vegetables, but he's saying every day. I mean, obviously
we saw him and then he's just by the way
(20:33):
because then I caught him say something about and you know,
it all sounds like I have a sort of overkale
for a while. Okay, I was just like we've had enough, Okay,
you know, not overkale. But yeah, I'm just using you
know whatever kind of like like cheeseball language. Oh I've
been I used to be. I used to eat so
much kale and you know the kale salad. I'm on charge.
(20:54):
It's my month of charge. I'm living in charge summer. Yeah,
it's fantastic. So anyway, crustiferous vegetables, we cannot ignore Okay,
So the phyto nutrients, okay, he was, he was, I
(21:16):
was getting so sold on the phyto nutrients and getting
back he actually sells and I was like, you know,
I'm listening, okay, but he sells the powder of you know,
it's all the crustiferous vegetables in powder form, and you
know I'm interested. Okay, yeah, anyway, there's no oh oh right.
But then he made casual reference to kale and blueberry
(21:38):
smoothie daily, being like almost like, well you should all
be doing that. If you're not doing that, like your
your alone, you know, And he just said kale and
blueberry like just specific. It wasn't some vague in general thing.
It was kale, organic blueberries frozen men, And this is
get ready, don't forget folks, frozen berries and have more
nutrients more nutrient point. Okay, it's a frozen harvested and frozen. Yeah,
(22:02):
you're so proud carrying home your your canvas sacked, have
your your blueberries that have oxidated to the heavens. They're
just they're an impression of a blueberry there. They're a
blurry memory. They're a ghost of a blueberry. Uh So,
so get ready, So he said, if you don't want
(22:24):
to use you know, Stevia, your favorite sweetener, frozen blueberries
and the lemon. Here we fucking gore, we fucking go. Here,
we fucking go imagining because I'm okay, something about him
saying eight ounces right, which obviously which like, as we
all know, it's like a tea spoon, right. I was like,
(22:45):
that's that's not the water as much as you thought. Okay,
but then this idea of this frozen slurry blended to hell,
the word slurry comes to mind. Okay, this kind of yeah,
the berries help, okay, is kind of lemony slurry with
with frozen blueberries. Okay, And you're kind of like, I
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don't even know that. I want to thin it out
too much. I think it's God's drink. Like I'm you know,
I'm hearing this, and I'm like, oh my god, here's
the thing, a lemon that's in the fridge, so it's cold. Well,
that's that's That's exactly where I went mere eighteen seconds ago.
Cold lemon, cold water, frozen blueberries. Imagine that, Imagine that
(23:28):
drinking that. Okay, I'm assuming he wants you to do
it on an empty stomach. Obviously it's talking waking up
having that. I mean, can you fucking imagine imagining myself?
I just had a vision of myself in Greece. I'm
sixty two years old, I'm walking barefoot on the sand.
I have a long linen dress on. I'm I just
(23:49):
immediately placed myself in your fantasy. Okay, which was so?
I said, I saw you walking along the beach, and
I saw you glancing up, okay, and seeing like like
a good like three d feet away okay, me up
on a balcony okay, okay, And I waved you, and
you glance up, and I lift up my glass okay,
and a little knowing toast towards you. And even though
(24:11):
you're like three feet away yards okay, I think yards,
three football fields whatever. Yeah, and you know it's the
lemon blueberry. Okay. You can barely see the sun is blinding,
you could barely see the color, but you're able to
recognize it because you know what it is, and you
know and we know I know what it is. Yeah,
and we know what we did. You know. It's funny
(24:32):
with something like this, a ritual like this, it becomes introduced.
I immediately start panicking about like I've never done this
right already, I've integrated it into my life at this point,
right like my mind right now, like, well, this is
what I'm doing now forever. How will you manage on trips?
And immediately I start panting about trips okay, because I'm
also imagining myself leaving and going day three on vacation,
(24:54):
going wow, and then but then you know, coming back
and home and going oh, I can't wait to get
back to it, or coming home unpacking and then being
like I can't wait to wake up and have my
and it's okay, a piece for the idea that you
that you that you'll have, you'll go without it. It's
good to be away from things, yeah, And I think
that is like important. You can't become too Sam already
trying to go okay, it's okay if you it's okay.
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A couple of days out of the year you don't
do it. Yeah. Yeah, although I'm trying to think there
are ways, like let's just go the other way, Let's
just go the obsessive way, which is how would you
get it every day? If you could you travel with
a nut bullet for the rest of your life. I
mean that's what the that's what the only answer is, well, okay, no,
that's interesting. I was just thinking. My thought was like, okay,
(25:38):
truly like somewhere where you're not going to have a plug.
I don't know. I was like, I guess, I don't know.
I was just like, is there a version where you
slurry it up freeze it instantly? Nope? Okay, wait, sorry,
sorry Starry, you going slurry it up, freeze it? And
so it's blur, blended, frozen, packed in some kind of
(25:59):
packed with dry eyes, you shipping ahead your hotel and
and oh my god, I'm really excited. And you know,
you know everyone the hags are going to try it.
Oh yeah, there's gonna be a run posted two stories. Folks.
Watch it be undrinkable. I know it's not going to
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be dr burg would never I'm gonna do it, but
you better sweeting it. What about doing it midday? Folks?
If you if you think you're afraid, well here's the thing. Okay,
you know instead of coughing the afternoon, you know what
I do? Can you imagine? Oh? Well, of course I don't.
I don't just drive the cortisol through. I don't just
(26:42):
you know, say tap tap on the adrenals, get it going. No,
I have a lemon. Oh what's that in your bag?
A lemon? What are you gonna do with that? The
same thing I do every day. And that's the reason
I'm a god and you're a mere man. Oh my god.
And then nutra bullet flies out. Okay, all right, let's
just take a minute with it, because I'm like, I'm excited.
(27:02):
Oh so the first thing in the morning you're worried
about for some reason, You're going to say, what if
I do in the afternoon, Like, I want to try
it for I'm sure I'm about to go to the supermarket.
I want to get an organic lemon. Nothing is better
than well, if you I guess the time of day?
Do you just mean after having eaten a breakfast? Is
that I'm talking about empty stomach upon waking is when
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you want to take you know, your vitamin, see your
lifemospheric You're right, but some people's empty stomach retains for
later because I eat late at night, and so if
I want to have any hope of being within any
window of anything approaching intermittent fasting, right, you know, even
twelve hours? You know, since your last meal six pm dinner,
(27:45):
six six am breakfast? Right, like is bare minimum? Right?
They say for like health like you better not eating
within you better have a twelve hours quote fast, right,
And so I think if I'm up and I'm doing
my intermittent fat, I can certainly launch my first meal
with the lemon drink. Oh, yeah, I meant, but is
(28:08):
there me wonder I know if the meaning of you
dumping in on top of of your forty minutes after
you know, charred and eggs, Yeah, with my spicy sshwan right,
that's sitting there like sauce like in your stomach sort
of food like now is it just is the lemon
just sort of landing? Like meaning are you flushing the
liver in the same way? Probably exactly the probably not.
(28:34):
So what's are you worried that on an empty stomach
that's gonna like trigger a migraine or something. By the way,
some ideas about migraines if you want to, I mean
all of his ideas. I think it's so satisfying. Is that,
like you kind of haven't heard them before? Although he
does he does recommend healthy ketogenic and he recommends you know,
what else is he recommended. I tell, did I stay
(28:54):
in the last poog? Remind me that I did my
I was devastated because I did my mushroom micro dose pill.
I felt no psychotropics, like, um, you know, it was
completely seperceptual. I didn't feel high at all, but felt
good and then at night got a blistering headache which
triggered a two day migraine. To tell you this devastating,
which is like when we tried, which is is like
(29:17):
what happens pilocide. But I thought, weren't you going to research? Right?
Wasn't no right? Because you would depressed your protocols is
like the protocol you're so excited about. Now I'm going
to talk to my integrative therapist about it. Um but
if what is that? Is that a? Is that a food?
Is that a? What is that? It's it's this, it's this,
um mycology, psychology? Are they related? They're the mushroom person
(29:41):
is the company? And yeah? Yeah? And then like a
functional doctor, functional medicine doctor. Not yet, honey, but let
me tell you that's my Christmas present to myself. I'm
already looking ahead to December. I want to get that.
I want someone to be again, blood drawn ship and
a bowl. I want them looking at everything. I didn't
I get us, didn't I get something I thought? I mean,
(30:03):
I think something's been sent to us that involved the
pin prick tests. Though I've heard is like now it's ship.
You send your own ship back. To be clear, we
got the matter? I don't think we have. But I've
researched and I've sent them to you, going, should we
get this? I mean we should we? Sure? Should? You know?
And also, oh, I'm back on that mood probiotic that
(30:23):
I completely fell off and you know, didn't give a
chance to work. How is it? I of course did
it for five days and was like this is a
Well there was the oral one that we got, which
which I fell off. I keep falling off. And then
I got this other one from in o Vic's labs
because remember I did that research that I found those
papers that said these probiotics actually like have serious mental health,
(30:48):
like yeah, these labs are changed, um, and and so
I've I've started on that one and we'll see, we'll see.
I gotta give it. I mean, how dare I ask
for alts when I won't try something for more than
a week. It means humiliation. I know, you have to
do a full sixty days. I'm so enchanted with the
(31:18):
squirrel outside. Yeah, they're there. They got something. Really, When
you see one really there with the nut, it's just it's,
oh my god. When up close, yeah, the hands the nut,
it's just it's astonishing. It's the sweetest thing in the world.
And they live among us, I know, And imagine how
nice it would be if you were just a squirrel
(31:40):
working on a nut. Like, I feel so happy for them.
Like when you look in and you see me recording
a podcast and you have no idea that you've made
your way into the into the sound waves, they assume that, well, yeah,
there's that. That's the thing about consciousness. It's like, what
was it. There's this there's like the seminal science paper
(32:02):
or something called like to be a bat or something.
I'm I'm butchering this beyond okay, but nonetheless I'll find pleasure.
I remember. It hit me really hard because it was
all about this idea of like, you know, we can
study you can dissect an animal, you know, you can
study consciousness in the brain all this, but like at
the end of the day, you will never know what
it's like to be a bat like at the end
(32:23):
of the day. Well, and like that is like I'm
looking at that squirrel like what am I to it?
What even like I could be like I could do
the researcher and find out what does squirrels see? Right?
Where are their eyes capable of the colors? The gradient that?
But what those things mean? What they mean to them?
Are they blurry beyond fift but what Yeah, there's no
there's no way to understand ever. Oh you know what
(32:44):
I'm also gonna do. Oh my god. So that's what
I watched last night as I was falling asleep, this
unbelievable clip that John Earley sent me about this wasp.
I'm gonna just I'm gonna I'm gonna put this like,
I'm gonna give you the quick explanation. What happens. There's
this caterpillar and they show the caterpillar on this leaf.
(33:04):
It's going to talents going wild. This wasp, this little
baby wasp comes in lands again baby or you're just
being cute about it. The wasp is a baby again.
This huge fight again, the huge fight. The caterpillar throws
the waspot for like wow, the caterpillar has really got it.
The wasp comes back. The wasp is trying to attack
the caterpillar, and it's like all the wasp needs is
a few seconds. Eventually, the wasp penetrates the caterpillar. You
(33:26):
see the caterpillar kind of like oh fuck, kind of
like flail around, become limp. The wasp is injecting the
caterpillar with its eggs. Okay, wait what yeah, the caterpillar
goes about its life. The caterpillar goes about its life.
It's eating, it's eating, it's eating. All of a sudden,
it freezes and it's like weeks later, the wasp eggs
(33:49):
are starting to hatch inside the caterpillar. The wasp eggs
released a hormone that freezes the caterpillar, makes it numb.
These fucking there are fifty wasps. I repeat, fifty larva wasps.
That begins in nightmare. I can't believe hatch through the caterpillar.
They're hatching through the pushing out through the caterpillar. What
happens next almost made me cry. You think, this caterpillar,
(34:12):
there's no way it's you know, it's dead. It's beyond dead.
The caterpillar starts smooth around. It comes back to life.
It survives having fifty wasps. Wow, larva burst through its membrane. No, no,
this is the part that made me lose my shit.
Then the caterpillar, the caterpillar and the and the wasp
are mortal enemies. Okay, typically here this is what I
(34:33):
was going to ask about. The caterpillar starts to protect
the larva, spins out of its own silk, this like
net that protects the larva. Starts guarding the larva so
that they can grow. The spider comes, tries to attack
the caterpillaring attacks the spider get out of here, starts
to watch over and protect the wasps. Rely, sh it,
(34:57):
and then I'm forgetting what happens the wasp like but
they yeah, and then and then eventually the wasted hatch
and the caterpillar. Can you astonish? Isn't complete? This? Wait,
so it's a translating radio. Oh it is, I my silence.
I'm gonna show the video, but I was you have
to watch it is respectful, like I will not interrupt
(35:18):
this and just that idea. There's a lot going on there.
There's a lot of metaphor going on there. There's a lot.
We must remember to always turn to nature, going like
there's some there's something something there and I'm gonna grab it,
like I can't move on from the storyline. We must
turn to nature. Whatever I was like, we must protect
that which abuses us. No, that's not it. It's but
(35:42):
is that how wasps? Like I guess now that's kind
of wasp that's how they like these caterpillars? What is
the reproduction method of a caterpillar? How do you find
you that? I don't know because because I'm going where
there's the caterpillars? Children? Babies? Yeah, I don't know, I've forgotten.
(36:06):
I really like calling like children is a really sweet. Um. Well,
this is something no one gets. No one gets. I
always take people's time trying to explain what this was
so funny to me, and I feel like you'll get it.
And Okay, what was that fucking movie? That feels familiar?
It's like very like greedy and kind of like realistic
(36:30):
for for this kind of movie. That was the feeling.
And there's like these wild fights. One of the aliens
has like this little child who like misses home, and
it's very like whatever, And and there's this moment where
you know, the human guys like trying to encourage the
like father alien or something like the wild action scene okay,
(36:52):
and maybe like the guy's trapped or something and he's
trying to encourage him to like get out right, and
we know that this alien has this little like boy
child alien child. Okay, but we've like come to love
who like plays a little mobile of of like planets
and mrs his own home, and like it's like, despite
being repulsive, if I know this movie, what is that,
it was sort of like it was considered like it
(37:13):
was it was big. It wasn't more of the world's
Project Z or something like that, but it's something like that.
So but anyway, he goes and it makes me laugh
really here, like he's like, think of your boy man,
okay about the alien. I think of your boy. Okay,
(37:35):
your boy, your boy man. I don't know what his
accent was. I can't remember like whether was he a
brid or whatever. Okay, but it was like him sort
of fluidly calling the alien child your boy, like it's
(37:56):
it's heartwarming and funny to me. Then we can't help
but do it. It's like I don't know, it's kind
of like whenever someone applies jargon, even like to meet
your boy, like to say your boy like in America
is a little like old fashioned, right, So it's like,
(38:17):
but whatever someone applies, Like, have you ever had someone
apply like trying to think of a good example, Oh,
like it would be like, you know, someone just do
like it, well you and your old man dad, and
you're like, and that's never been a term for you.
And there's sort of the thrill of the way that
their jargon. Oh, totally to try it on. I feel
like I did that recently. I tried on something. What
(38:39):
was it? Like I once heard someone refer to their
you know, partner like literally like just like my better half. Okay, yeah,
and I was like, whoa, Like they just like wait,
like rolled off the tongue. Oh. I had a huge
realization this morning. Perhaps that's not what it is an
observation of my need to end this need to end
(39:05):
minor back and forth little casual conversations with like neighbors
or whoever with a button. Yeah, we'll take care of yourself. Yeah, okay,
I was thinking of it. I'm like and so like
I tried it for these original ones, and then what
do I do when I don't have one, right, and
it's like, oh, well, there's the classic. You know, I
have a nice day. Okay, have a good one, right,
(39:26):
you know, have a guys day, have a good one whatever.
Classic I say, have a good one a lot, have
a good one, okay. And so I was thinking about
I was like, but and then in order to make
that not just feel so generic, Yeah, I feel like
this is what's embarrassing. There's this thing that happens where
it's almost like trying to imbue that common statement with
(39:49):
the weight of all the nuance of humanity that was
addressed in the previous conversation, almost like, well, given all
that we've sat here and discussed, nonetheless, must we move
into this day, So do your best to have a
good one, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's completely No,
it's the poetry. It's the poetry of the every day.
(40:11):
It's like, it's like and the weight of that is
more than anything. It's like when all of the complications
and all the hope and the horror of the day
can only be expressed expressed through like the universality of
of just like a you know, a trope or something.
In the end, all I can say is yea or
(40:32):
or like you know, enjoy your weekend? Yeah, you have
a good one? Really does it? Though? I have a
good one? Okay, I have something to say, which I
feel like this is suddenly I'm seeing this spreading around
like a wildfire. I'm hearing a lot of appreciate you.
Have you noticed this familiar? Yeah, I'm hearing a lot
(40:54):
of it lately, you know, like um to you know,
two servers to uh. Like I'm hearing people say this
like appreciate you. I mean hearing that a lot in
stores interest like really transactional. I'm gonna go get the lemon.
It's all I can think about. I mean, this whole
episode has been eclipsed by the lemon. For me, well,
(41:16):
the episode found its soul in the lemon. Lew could
we have arrived there without my back spasm being described? No,
you know, moment by moment. I hope not. I don't
think so. Yeah. Lemon slurry, um, blueberries, wow, sweeten as
(41:36):
you will. You will be blamed if you try it
and you claim that's suite hard. You were told you
can sweeten it as you will. I'm I I'm going
to do this. If not today tomorrow, and I can't
wait to see everyone's attempts. And to be clear, you're
gonna need a really, you're gonna get a high powered
blender US. I was listening to this lying there I go,
(41:59):
it's time for Yeah, I have to say listen because
it's a big purchase. But the amount of time does
it work? Yes? And you use it for stronger yes
it is. But here I just want to say, though
I think the nutrible. The newer ones are really good.
There you know of the cost, I don't know. I
(42:20):
think it will bust through a limon if you chop
it enough. If you chop it enough to be just fine, okay,
and then you can travel to Greece with it. As
a six year old. I just wonder, right, I just
wonder if you know, if Vita Mix has become the
thing where like they don't innovate, other brands actually moved
(42:43):
past them. And then we're like old women stuck on
the idea that the Vite Mix is best just because
it will totally eighties. This is why you have to
do your research on horsepower. I'm sure they're less expensive
options that are great. And again I was blown away
by my natable that I purchased when I was in
Pittsburgh for months. Yeah, it was blown away. You're talking
about the thing that like you flip it over on top. Yep, yep, yep.
(43:06):
Yeah I had one. I had a normal model. Mine
was a ninja. Mine was a ninja. I had the
most recent model, and I was Florida. Yeah, okay, I
truly have to go all right, love you, love you
like that was poog. If you enjoyed coog, please subscribe, rate,
(43:30):
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