The Most Beautiful Woman in the World

A gift for getting through this. LA is for drinking out of jars and getting filler quietly in the night. Kate’s not in Tuscany—she’s not even at a bar. Cry wolfina…blueberries and small curds are the answer. Broth Birthday! Do people share the features of their parents, or just the way they hold their faces? The summer blockbuster is back and the floor remains hideous. Recipe hacks and addressing the cravings of Husbands. Wanna see Kate do a backflip? Jacqueline is analyzing in the privacy of her own mind, and peripheral vision cannot be ignored.

Brands: Creamy, Saie, Shark Ninja, Anjolie Organics, Beauty of Joseon

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Kate Berlance, I'm Jacqueline Novaka.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
And this is poog, an ongoing conversation about wellness between
two obsessive, fresh.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Too untamable intellects. This is our hobby, this is our hell.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is our naked desire for free products.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
This is poog.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Today's topics loosly speaking, subtextual conversation.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Christmas Soldier, Hey.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Team, somebody looks camera ready?

Speaker 5 (00:27):
What a difference a week? Well, what a difference a
week makes. Today's my first day in pants since my retrieval.
The pants are tight.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
The joke is that you're doing another podcast, and so right,
is that what I'm going from?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Another product?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
So to speak?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
It's like, because you know we're wrong poo, we're row
for pool for the time being.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Motherfuckers, it's gonna get crazy and you're ready. You're gonna
go miss when they were relatable, dumb and didn't know
how to mobilize a business.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, yeah, although I never identified that. I know you
like to say we're geryatric and we don't understand business.
I'm like, hey, actually I worked in corporate for some time.
Well okay, but nonetheless absolutely just play the fool on
this podcast. Of course.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I'm stunning, is the point.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
Well, by the way, thank you, and this really this
is the first time in weeks that I've put on
any makeup.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Whatsoe our face?

Speaker 5 (01:31):
Yeah, oh, you know me always dressing up with the
doctor to try to receive care.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
But I've been is that lemon drink.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I thought you might get curious. I pulled it out
because one was too big.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's there is half a lemon ground up in there,
pith and all, and then like watermelon and two berries.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
My god, look at us, got a macha. It's real.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I dream something happened.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Well, by the way, last night, this is how you
can sum and okay, so I kind of a sadness
came over me. Nothing nothing severe, everything was fine, and
I was like, ma, no, my hormones.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Are tinking sadness.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
Yeah, yeah, hormones were thinking to kind of that summer loneliness,
that that feeling of like where it should I where
my life go? Yeah, if I'm not I'm not in Tuscany.
I'm not even at a bar, you know, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Feeling that thing I feel that if I'm not pool side, which.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
No one was around to hang out, you know. Yeah,
although I was kind of like, yeah, that's fine, and
then I was like, you know what this is for
the best. I'm just gonna make a sink dinner. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
Last night, you know, I was like, I'm gonna go
to the grocery store and said, you know, I just
kind of pulled ship out of the fridge.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Cleared the fridge.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
You're gonna do creamy together last night, Ninja creamy.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
I know we were gonna. I know we didn't the
creamy mixing the creamy. We will be posting about the
creamy soon, but I am intimidated a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Shark Ninja huge shot out to Shark Ninja, huge Pook
Pook supporters.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
By the way, I'm applying something right now.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Say oh yeah, society really to Poog, it's the glow seerum,
I believe, or it's what gives you that pearl, that.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Pearl, finish, that rose glow. Okay, but keep going.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
I was feeling the sadness whatever. Then I was fine,
did you do you ever do that thing where you're like, well,
it's almost six, so it's basically soon it'll be ten.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I'll be asleep. It'll be a fresh day.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
It's also the interesting thing of the mania that happens
at night that the morning.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Washes away somehow. It's just shocking. Like I was, I
was like spiraling out about a little detail a boy,
a little business detail, and I go, okay, you're allowed
to spiral about this as you wash the dishes.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, go hard, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
What a cuta And then when you're done washing the dishes,
move on with your life.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
And I did the first episode of Lost, I think
the doctor party five.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
He he was.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Like talking because he's a surgeon, and it was like, yeah,
and I'm scared or something, and he's like, he's like,
I give myself four seconds to be like to be
afraid that brief four.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I think if you're a certain.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Right, right, right, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, yeah, like if you need, if you need two
minutes even Yeah, when you get out of the game,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
So the path you leave.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Look at us drinking out of jars, like there's something
that happens in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I was thinking about this.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
By the way, I have to do another d talks
with Instagram because particularly because I've been you know, bedridden adjacent,
I've spent so much fucking time scrolling and specifically because
I'm still locked out of my Instagram on my I
have something to admit. I'm still locked out of my
personal Instagram on my phone, but I did allow myself
to access the poog Instagram on my phone, which is

(04:44):
like not as much of a suck because it's like
all it is is there's no feed except for just
what the algorithm is feeding me. But of course they
know exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
What I want. But then it's interesting because you start.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Going down one channel and then it starts showing you
like so basically I was just endlessly because I don't
have TikTok because I'm fucking old, but like.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
We got to get on there. We could rule TikTok.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
We gotta go, we gotta go.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I think we get an eight second thing that people
are like, I'm going to remix this?

Speaker 3 (05:12):
What? Why? Wait?

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
What?

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Like you and me are fragment our fragmentory nature.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
There are clips on on.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
No I know, but we we but really to just
thrive in the medium. What are you doing working on
your own?

Speaker 3 (05:29):
No?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I just wanted to see my lips look like if
it made them bigger in life for people really just
quietly getting filler in the night.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, I think they are, but it's not on my radar,
so I like I never noticed, Like you know, it's
like those things like I never I think we've talked about.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I never think anyone's on cocaine. I never like it.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Just there's like a cloless like I know.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah and then and then yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
I also don't really perceive work like unless it's shocking.
I think unless it's shocking, it's sort of like my
brain is just sort of assimilated or you know, like yeah,
into its models, into its models of what different faces
are like just like that, like yeah, some people have
like firm, hard cheeks.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Right right, Well, I feel like I have an eye
for work. But I will say, you know, there's the
proliferation of those on Instagram where it's like here's a
celebrity and we're going to tell here's why I think
they had done. But then sometimes you're like, well, here's
a photo from someone when they're much younger to now,
like in your little like makeup and photography is powerful,

(06:37):
like who knows. But then sometimes I go, I put
a little filler hair, she clearly had a little bit here.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
And you go, oh, and then sometimes it happened to
see someone they look a little too fresh. You go,
you got refreshed anyway, whatever, But I'm going I'm getting
a micro current facial tomorrow as a little gift to
myself forgetting through this time.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh no, it's in a couple of days. But I
haven't had micro current and age.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Is gift to myself for getting through this.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Do you see the reward model, the shame and the
reward that it requires illness too?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Well, by the way, how I'm legitimize the treat, Well, I.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Have my big treat coming up, which is a birthday
dinner because I didn't get to have my birthday because
the day before the day before my birthday was my retrieval.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
And I was so boldly, so bold I thought, well,
the day after, I won't go out, but like maybe
i'll have you know, yeah, no, you never know.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
I was crying on the couch. Yeah, I actually wasn't crying.
I was emotionally fine, but it sucks.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
It's always good to pull back on the crying detail
so that they know you're real when you say it later.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's true. I actually wasn't cry.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Wilfina of course, yeah, I mean a direct, direct example.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
This is shocking.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
This is literally too sweet, like it tastes like a
cocktail when you get a way too sweet cocktail.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
And it's just because it's just nothing but fruit. There
was no time I want it's it's.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Mostly watermelon, half of a lemon, like it tastes like
sugary lemon.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
And then Barnes's it. And blueberries no, no, blueberries are
shockingly sweet. It's like unblueable. It's like, how is this not?

Speaker 3 (08:07):
I need everyone will listen up. Blueberries are the answer.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yesterday, every Day took a nap listening to the doctor
and Gregor's various videos about blueberries.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
He's blueberry obsessed.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
I mean he insists on half a well, doesn't assist,
he offers in his daily doesn't what he does half
a cup of berries daily. But there's all these studies blueberries.
I mean it's literally like everything so cool improved.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
By the blueberry and you need it daily.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
And frozen, just half a cup frozen, by the way,
that's like four mouthsfuls.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
It's not yeah, I I do, I do a full.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Cup, honey.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
I had a cup this morning in my in my
uh am, I still cutouts.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Oh I've got I've got my super cube or the
silicon molds. But I showed you right four block me.
So I made a huge pot I mean entire bag
first degree. Apologies if I said this last week, full
bag first degree.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Which I turned you on too, I'm proud to say.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Ye poured it into the silicone molds.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Then I have these perfect blocks of oatmeal waiting for
me all week in the freezer. Now I don't imagine
other things, my different tinctures and potions that go into
my oatmeal.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
That's gonna be the next thing.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Then I had the gar like an onion frozen into
ice cubes to throw in the pan from my nightly sauce.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Wow, I know it's the level of I just did
a back to TikTok TikTok recipe that I did twice
this week.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
We go there, though, That's what's interesting.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
You go there, you, I say, But it's not it's
like Instagram from there, it's like reposted on Instagram. Yeah, yeah,
but it's sorry, But it's the cottage cheese egg wrap
thing where you you blend.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
You're sorry because I'm Whole Food's plant based.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
But I know you're fine. You don't judge, but I
did joking.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Oh my god, please like and as I could do
it tonight, you know, No, no, I make no promises.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Of course, of course, well but god damn it.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Ohthough, sorry, Okay, good speak it up, because no, I
just I'm starting to think, Oh, don't let me, don't
let this take us away.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Okay, hold to what you're about to say.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
I was holding back only because I'm like, I fucking
have talked about this on poob before they.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Caught of the recipe.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
You know, coup of cottage cheese, two eggs, herbs blasted
in the thing and then you bake it three fifty
for half an hour and it's like a huge wrap
thing and it's goddamn good.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
But wait, well we have to talk about wait.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I was gonna tell I'm sorry, but I wanted you
to hold to the thing because I had a break
in breaking oh about cottage cheese, which is like I
saw a headline, a passing headline about like the dairy
industry is like paying influencers just to like push you know,
push recipes sure products that are struggling, And I'm like,
so that's what happened with Cottage cheese?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Cause she's cottage.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
He's such a crazy came for for Instagram and like,
but it's for a reason.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I mean, I grew up my mother cheese since the sixties.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Does she do melon and jello like like like in
the diner menus shows you that was called the California Salad?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, totally. I know. Beautiful. She still does cottage cheese,
but she does it with like cereal and you know,
fruit or something. But Cottage cheese.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
And I just want to say, every brand is different.
So if you think cottag cheese is disgusting, m pay
up Lextra Bucks get a more deluxe brand.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
You'll be moaning.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, I think the answer is small curd.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Oh sure?

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Oh is it?

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I mean I think small curd like less free floating liquid.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, so what.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
More comfort with?

Speaker 2 (11:35):
For sure? For sure?

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Late, But Mixin's you said about the creamy Oh yeah,
cream mixes are crazy.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
It was like, I guess what, I don't know. I
just said that, but it was meaningless. I just meant
to say. What I meant to say is just creamy.
It is overwhelming to me.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I did today to change my life.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
At the supermarket, I bought a basil plant, you know,
like they have the big ones.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Wait a second, Wait a second, Hold on the algorithm?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Did it show you what it showed me?

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Wait?

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Hold on?

Speaker 1 (12:04):
No, I mean I'm almost disturbed. Okay, like that woman
who's like the account is it's a woman, and that's
what That's what I saw. This is too much now,
I can't. It made me change my behavior. My behavior
was altered because I was like, I'm finally doing it.
I'm finally getting the basil plant from the supermarket. So
I got it today. It was a direct implant into
the brain of what I thought.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
She said, a big saucer, big sauce, yes, and she goes,
don't pour water from the top, do water sausc.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
So, by the way, today because it went into my
brain affected my behavior at the market and then I
went fuck. I don't know where I didn't save the
video easy to find, not a problem, I'm sure, but
for those who haven't been fed, this with growing gorgeous
and her huge kitchen is notable.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
The store bought basil.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
I was lying there going potting soil. Can I can
I do it? Can I get myself to get potting
soil totally. I mean, but I do use for basil
near daily. Now I am doing the like Instagram pushed
method of jar in the fridge, you know, water jar
in the fridge. I was like, got this herb keeper
in the fridge that holds water on the bottom. It
was like highly reviewed on Amazon. One of these Amazon Fine.
By the way, I'm actually getting tired of like you

(13:15):
know how you asked me was your spiralizer and I
was like like, like to find the link. I'm actually
putting all my Amazon shit in a goddamn Amazon store.
And yes, I will be collecting affiliates, okay on their behalf, Okay,
because there's some because there's some shit like oh there's ship.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
That I only get on Amazon.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
And I've been withholding like from the hags out of
kind of you know, wanting to push small bis.

Speaker 6 (13:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Of course, what we always are. We're always pushing small
bas Oh wait, but speaking of I wonder if this
happens to you.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
So we got sent this Angelo leie Okay.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
Oh my god, So I got sent a bunch of
that exploded. My box came in.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
It was like all wet and I don't know what
I did with it, because it was like.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
It's okay if you tossed it to the wind.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I can't imagine I threw it away. I would never
just throw ay the box.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
But it was like, do is your overwhel what holds?
Like you rinse and see what exactly? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 6 (14:05):
What?

Speaker 1 (14:05):
So I just want to shout them out because two things.
One they send a little card with it.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
It was a lovely card and it included like ps
and like the Instagram handle of the brand. I think
unless it was their handle, but the vibe was like
and they almost were being apologetic about like like sorry,
like to be like this, but here's a handle, you
know what I mean. And I'm like give me the handle,
like honey, yeah, you don't need apologies or a handle

(14:32):
of your product that you give a generation.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
So last night I can't find the card, okay, wanting
to go wanting to post a product, can't find the card,
searching on Instagram for the for Angelie Angelie's skin, Okay,
I'm like, it's consuming me. So I don't know where
it is and I'm putting out the shot. Now I
realized that this is stuff weighs me. It's in my email.
There's an email. There's an inbox I can go if

(14:55):
I sign into.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
The poog, right, you can find it.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
You know, I could. I could find the what they
originally whatever. This is what weighs on me. The point is,
I wanted to bring it up because it's a small brand, okay,
But in the original email they said something that was huge. Okay,
they go, I know you've expressed on the podcast that
you tend to hesitate with small skincare brands or small
kind of like or you have a fear that they're

(15:18):
just like all just like coconut oil in a bottle,
Like they're all like coconut oil and sea salt and
like not getting the hardcore. Oh I said it because
I absolutely believe it. I I'm ashamed to the chemical. Yeah.
The fear that the fear that it's kind of like
that the small brand comes from this like spirit of
like you know, you can you know, you can just

(15:40):
go down to the store and get a tough sea seal,
you know, like.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, you know, I was in trouble now for making
their own sunscreen. Oh really, it's like a whole thing. Now,
It's like you know, these fools were like put gee
with lemon.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
But they're trouble, not actually in trouble in any like
are they selling it?

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I just meant, of course. I'm like I've like perceived
through one eye squint.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, but I'll take your version. I don't care if
it's real.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
No, I don't think it's like a legal dispute. I
think it's more people just coming down on these uncertain influencers,
being like I don't encourage people to make down sunscreen.
They need to go buy sunscreen.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Sorry, well it's rampant out there.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
I was thinking how it's like nearly medieval, Like it's
gotten medieval out there with just like the fact that
on Instagram you can just say like here's what you
need to do to blah blah blah like and it
just tells you it's like here's where you're jugular like vein.
They like press on this like the fact that it
is absolutely just you don't have to claim even expertise.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
You just have to say that things have.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
To have a certain intonation. Yeah I have.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
This is why I'm like I need to go on
a major cleanse because watching the Instagram, because I've been
consuming so much of like, yeah, just recipes. Did you
know that if you take dan you know, or it's
like my husband is craving fish, didn't you know.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's like all of that and it's making me so
fucking stupid. I can't breathe, and so it's like I
have to get off of it.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Like you sent me a recipe last night, as though
it was like a hack, and it was like it
was like it was like pasta.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
It was like pasta, but no, no.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
That was that was just alson Roman's late. It's pasta.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Oh okay, fair enough, fair enough, Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Like I did send you.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
I did send you because it was like vegan zucchini
chocolate cake.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
One bowl makes oh sure exactly. And then I was
like one bowl. But then I look and I go, okay,
well in the bowls having to go crazy ship like
a mulsive you know, it's like weird.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well right, it's like it's like I mean that, yeah,
the whole kind of recipe hack, like or they do
that pan that they film it from above on that
pan that sits on a like not on a stove.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
On a burner, on like a I like, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
I still hot burner. That's like you know, candy Apple
red or something. And then but I got distracted. There's
something I can feel like, oh, so like I'm not
saying every small brand. Of course, there are small companies
doing massive things. They are small, Okay, everyone knows. I'm
just saying, yeah, I do have a there. They're quote

(18:05):
frankly at like a lot of like farmers markets, totally
thing at the Farmer's and like lavender.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Literally again, it's just like, you know, it's like a
not stuffing yeah and whatever. So Angelae geniusly was like,
you know, I know you have some hesitance around small brands,
thinking that they don't actually.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Use like real active ship.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, and she's like, but our brand actually uses and
then it was like some cool ship that I already
forgot what it was. I mean, this is liquid oxygen
and asked to Xanthin I think asked Anthon might be
I don't know, but the point is I was impressed,
and this is a this is my shout out without
knowing their handle.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Great, I'm gonna find the box I want. I hope
if they're listening they know I did not throw it away.
I just opened it became overwhelmed.

Speaker 7 (18:49):
To put it to the side.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
I've been using the Beauty by Josin I paid out
of pocket. Oh yeah, sunscreen. I have to say it's good.
I have to say the last going like three weeks
without any makeup. Not that I wear a ton of makeup,
but I do wear tinted sunscreen. Yeah, I'm putting some
blush on. I don't know, three weeks of basically no makeup.
My skin has never been better.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Okay, Well, there it is, Kate, I mean, there it is.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
We don't even have to we can use Wait, I
just caught a glimpse of my own face.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Was like, and I think, and I think I'm attractive?
What are we see?

Speaker 4 (19:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
What I mean is like, literally, how you like everyone?
You know, we've all heard a thousand times, how you walk,
how you carry our shelf? Right, yeah, like makes all
the difference. Okay, are you ready?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
How you carry your face?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
People are not talking about that, right, Okay, So some
people are modeling, Like here's a huge and I think
is interesting? Ready, Like does the person share their the
features of their parent or do they share the behavior
of how they hold their face?

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Which one is sure? Why you look like you're whatever.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Right, it's actually just phuture logical.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Imagine you Yeah, you drop features into you know, so
it's like I just glanced and discovered the unconscious face
I was making.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
I want to talk about ear little evening the other night,
which was really exciting Jacqueline because I was like, come
over or I was like, I need to get out
and scratching a wall, absolute ecstasy alone at the home
and I go, I want to see Twisters because I
heard from a couple of people so fun, you know,

(20:44):
the summer Blockbuster is back. I live to support the cinema.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, and walking down the carpeted hallway, walking on the
carpeted hallway with with the hideous you know, you know
pattern on the floor. I don't remember if there was one,
the feeling of which which one I'm I'm in theater three.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I know for it's actually always kind of scary that moment.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
I know, it's kind of chaos. You kind of like
think you're not gonna find it or something.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
You know.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
What's interesting, It's like the thing of when you're and
we've of course talked about this in our Peabody nominated
episode Movie Theater epiphanies. But one thing I don't know
if we've touched on that episode that is also profound
to me, is we've talked we have this had to
come up when you're when you go to the bathroom
with you walk.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
You're completely deranged. This is literally like, this is like.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
No, no, no, you're not like you don't know where I'm going.
And you hear the sniffets of the other movies playing like.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Well, someone has a door, right, let's take.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
It, and it's all them. What's that underwater?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Well, yes, but it's it's conversation.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't romance. It's like all of human
drama and tragedies like distilled into these like tropes and
these archetypes you just barely get as you walk. It's
like Babels And I even found myself in humanity because
we were in Twister. Twisters only exists. Humanity exists at

(22:08):
the movie theater. Yeah, for many reasons now, but which.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
They actually allude. By the way, one of the genius
things in the Twister I never even talked about.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Oh honey, the Theatersinstein himself, Oh yeah, really fucking cool.
They met with it getting sucked through and then the
screen is open, tell them, tell me, you know, a
spoilers not a spoiler. All I'm saying is it's.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Not a spoiler, which you'll say. They end up at
a movie theater whenever in movies. I love this ship
when they go into the movie theater.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
There.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
If you're not making a movie where they're in a
movie theater or making a movie.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
I want out about it.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I know, Yeah, I refuse to go to a movie
with a cinema is not featured. What about like, okay,
a lot of shots in movie theaters in movies, right,
Like we've seen it a thousand times. It's like camera
rolls up to like two people and I feel like
it's always the sixties and they're smoking. Okay, but like
you know, the shot facing the people right, which is

(23:06):
not how you experience the movie theater.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
You're facing forward right.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Like it's one of those things that like you kind
of only get to experience in the movies. I facing
those who face the screen right because you can't really
turn around and stare and really take in.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
No one gets to right get quick glances.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, So it's this it's actually like it's almost as
radical as a bird's eye view or something.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, totally. Did you see the zone of interest?

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Oh I haven't yet, Oh, Jacqueline, I haven't yet.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
Well, the only it is only to be seen in
a movie theater. It exists for a movie theater, and
that movie. I mean, everyone else who's made a film
in the last twenty years should be fucking ashamed.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah. Well, isn't that great? I mean when when when the.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Things someone come out, someone still fucking reaches and someone
still has the audacity to reach inside and pull something out.
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Remember you go? I don't and summer, I don't need
a sweatshirt to go to the theater.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
And I'm like yeah, And then I'm like we actually
it isn't not toilets, like call them in theaters.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, and thank god for you because I did bring
a sweater.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
And then when you did, I felt like a eh and.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
I pulled it on inside the movie, I was like, yeah,
it was.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
So fun Well not we're not going to get into
the movie, but we'll just say that one thing is
funny the time is that Daisy's character, Daisy Edgar Jones,
who does refer to herself as being ugly normal people,
And I could not continue, but that's what I read
the book, So it's the book.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
I'm sorry if in the book essential pivotal thing about
the character is that she's busted. You can't hire a
fucking movie star and also then keep the line where
she goes I'm ugly cut the line, or get a
new actress, yeah, okay, prosthetics, yeah yeah, get a prosthetic,
get an open wound across the top of her face
and something crazy, or cut the line.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Wound often often accentuate beauty. As we all remember from
the next episode of Dexter.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
I never saw it, but happy for Michael C.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Hall.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
So I uh oh, but her character's name is Kate
and every fucking second they say her name.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Oh okay, sure, it's actually funny. And did you have
an accent?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
We never talked about the accent slipping coming, going, coming
and going coming and going the southerns yeah, because there's
no accent for about twenty five minutes. Then suddenly she's like,
she does a southern accent and it's gone again.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Well, I want question an actor's work on poog as
you know.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
I'm not questioning her work, No, I just mean, like
I would not I cannot you didn't notice that. No,
I was stuck on how like delicate her face was
and like starting us to question my own.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
Oh right, Jack, when you said the funniest thing we
got in the car, you were like, would you say
about when you go to a movie and you there's
like a leading lady, you just you are like, she's
the most fittiful woman in the world, most.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Beautifulman in the world, the only beauty. Yeah, he's it.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
And I stare and I go like, no, right, that's
what a fucking chin is. That's what I just I
just do it. And then I start to plot, like
all right, well, like I know, like start to plot
how I can try to drag myself closer to.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I mean, you know who's outrageously hot is what's his name?
Not Glenn Powell but the other main man.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Sorry, I'm sucking this trying to cheek cliffs. Yeah, so
I just I was doing it unconsciously. I've trained myself
to do unconsciously. Wait, but I want to talk about something,
which is there was a moment where I was trying
to say one thing to you about referencing your show, Kate.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Like okay in the you okay, no, here here's actually
here's what's huge. Okay.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I realized like maybe twenty five minutes in I think
thirty minutes. I'm not sure that the many times you
had looked at me like before that being like whoa
or holy shit or like it's weird or whatever whatever
that like maybe a huge portion of those were you
reacting to them saying Kate, I'm.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
Knowing so I oh okay, okay, No, no, No, that's not
because I was going to say, hearing my name, I'm like,
that's not my name.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Hearing It wasn't until that's not me, that's not my name.
It wasn't like huh me like like it was nothing
no because whatever.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Kay.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Then but you did go like it's a lot right,
Well did that just because more than usual?

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, okay, but I started to go, was that what
she did?

Speaker 1 (27:20):
I in my head because I like, you look at me,
and I'm interpreting all sorts of things, like you know,
it's so interesting.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
I was so aware of this.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
How you know who you're watching with right, like informs
your experience of.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Like how you're seeing it.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
So it's like it's like I'm I am if I'm
like laughing at something.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
It's because like.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
I'm imagining our conversation about what's happening, we're in a
different setting, it would just be something else. So I'm like,
I'm inherently in a silent conversation with you while we're watching,
And it was challenging first. And remember like, oh, like
we're not going to talk throughout this because I don't
talk with movies.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Whatever, not a word. Okay, I don't even like when
people talk.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
When when it's credits, start m and get the studio logo,
whatever the fuck, hush up.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I don't. Oh that's what's scary. You go to a
movie with someone that you don't usually go to the
movie and they start gay. Do you think do not
say a word? You can talk during the trailers, sometimes
I don't even think that's appropriate.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
The whole theater is sound read No, well, the whole
theater should fall silent for the trailers, you know, because
I'm never I'll make this claim now, I am never
more artistically and cinematically inspired than I am when I'm
watching fucking trailers. Okay, I'm not trying to talk about
like the whole Like, I love the trailers.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
They're my favorite part.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
You know that whole like personality and characteristic of ninety
nine percent of people or whatever. Okay, It's like I
am fucking alive with every trailer that drops. I mean
it's almost like seeing the woman and being like that
is that is beauty. I am like genius one after
the next, and like genius genius.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Okay, it was the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
But I had a panic that you thought I was
gonna be one of these texts people because I turned
my phone off. I turn it clean off, clean off. Okay,
it's the only truly safe way. Okay, And oh.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
My god, I'll tell you what happened to me recently.
The thing Wait, hold it okay, Google.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
No, because I just need to get it out to
get it. But will you hold it? Yeah? Okay, you
got it for sure? All right.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
So because of the cacophony of it's not the word, okay,
but but the joy we're having on their way in,
I actually hadn't turned it off yet when the trailers began, okay,
or when the or whatever was happening, or the studio
lookers are going, and I had to lean over and
dramatically lean over to my left, like trying to like
do my phone and get it off, and I was scared,

(29:42):
like like, I was like where that it was creating light?
Because it was it was it was not my usual behavior,
but was it not ecstasy?

Speaker 3 (29:52):
It was watching together? It was so fun and being like.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well, what you're saying is true. It's like because you're
having a subtextual conversation the whole time. It's string.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
It's the bond you have us and you go to
a movie with them, and hence the movie date being
so romantic and intense and hey, guys, so glad it's
being absolutely erased from culture. Congratulations.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
And I don't blame us the consumer, or I do sometimes,
but I don't know. But the point is, well, anyway.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I think if Poog did nothing but save cinema, big
ray cinema in America, oh my god, it'd be great.
Maybe that's where we shift. Okay, that needs to be
a primary focus cinema. If you're not in the cinema
once a week, call yourself a hag.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah we need everyone we consider you're going to the
movie theater twice a month minimum.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, well you need to be imagine like Deep Reveal
sponsored by AMC Stubbs.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I'll take it.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, but oh I take it eagerly, but pays for itself.
If you go to a single.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Imax, Imax is incredible. It's how challenges Imax.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
I was.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
My heart was pounding.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Oh shit, was like I think I did too.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I was. I think I could see like Imax is
the Challengers, final row, final row of Imax. Challengers.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Tom Hanks's face distorted by by Imax. That's all I
want to say. Okay, go on, wait what Challengers? I
heard Challenger?

Speaker 3 (31:19):
I get the explosion, Yeah, of course, of course.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
But wait, the thing I was gonna the thing I
was holding on just a I was at a professional
Was that a table? Read there?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
It is.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
So imagine you know, very hot. Okay, everyone's sitting down right,
We're going to start. There's a serious film. Okay, death
sitting at a row of tables.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
It's one of those yeah, like facing a group of
people were.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Watching, correct, correct?

Speaker 6 (31:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
And the script.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
The script deals with themes of death, it deals with
It's an intense.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Script because people are like bawling their eyes out reading
this thing, acting okay, and are they all cast No,
it's more like a workshop, did you people? But honey,
are crying like they're going for us. Who was crying?

Speaker 3 (32:01):
You wait in your role? Yeah, and you were not
offered the role.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
No, and I knew I would never get the role.
Was actually very No, it was very helpful because the
role had to be spent much older than I was,
and I am Jacqueline.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
It was I was. I was sitting there tears streaming
down my face. I was crying acting.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
By the way.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
It was actually well because there were there were some
I'm talking about some fucking real some friends.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Okay, so that's some heavy hitters here, And it was
actually I was completely moved to watch them work because
here we are a table read, muffins and coffee. They're
fucking doing it, and they're I'm watching them. I'm catching that.
I'm seeing them on their works. I'm seeing them read
to read and on the final line break and sob
I go, whoa, that's technicality, this is precision. This is

(32:51):
the body is an instrument, and you know how to
fucking play it, bitch, And I go, I'm over here
with my fingers crossed, praying to be what first to
channel God at the right moment, like.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
No, no, well there it is right, it's you know,
I'm over summer set mom, somer set mom.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
You know, wait, what's up? When do you write? Okay,
when you write or whatever?

Speaker 1 (33:12):
You know, do you write like like, uh, you know,
I only write when divine inspiration shows up? You know,
luckily divine inspiration happens between nine am and twelve.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Every single day or whatever that kind of mom.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
I still don't understand what those words mean, but yeah,
that's a name or I don't know. But okay, so
so you know, so we're so we're back.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Okay, wait, I'm dying. I'm dying.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Okay, so you're like, holy fucking shit, and there's none
of that. We're jogging, you know, jogging through it. The
jog through like we're kind of in sweatpants, like doing
the dance, but not doing the dance.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Everyone's doing it. They are they are acting, they are bringing.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Because why wouldn't you write?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Why wouldn't you And by the way, so as this
is happening and these actors are crying, I go, I
go because my character, I'm like, well, are you going.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
To be the one that's they can't dogging through?

Speaker 2 (34:02):
They can't cry or whatever?

Speaker 5 (34:04):
And then I start and then out of and then
out of my own self consciousness, I go, it's kind
of embarrassing, like over here just crying, crying, like, oh
here I am, look at me.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
A big actor cut to me fucking crying. I was like, oh,
it is a competition, or like yeah, I was. I
was like, well, here I go. Want to see me
do a backflip? No, no, no, this is because I'm not
formally trained.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
I need to fuck with this for a little And by.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
The way, it came. And guess what I felt the
word words. I felt the words Jacqueline. The words brought
it out now, okay, And I was trying.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
To I never want to stop that about this. I
want to time the next six episodes. Okay, okay, great, okay,
I am. I'm speechless out of not knowing where to start.
There's so much I want to discuss here, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
And you know what's crazy, This was ready thrust at
the story.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
This is a detail that I brought in last minute.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Okay, Well we'll get to that seven episodes from now.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
All right, the original point okay, so one, had you
read the script in advance, yes, right now you knew
you weren't getting the role for real, Like it was
a favor because I was able to cry.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
I was liberated. Yeah, because I'm playing like a six
year old woman even older. Like it was like, there's
this is not I'm not being considered for this.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Now did any of those other actors that were the
big time actors actually end up.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
With the rolls?

Speaker 4 (35:19):
But is it to be that? Is it to be?

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Okay? So it wasn't that long ago.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I mean it just was like, not super recently, it
was recently.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
So and you'd read the whole script mm hmm okay.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
So thinking about the pastries, they had to go, God, damn,
this is top shelf. I took some home. Not everyone
else did, or the boxes to put the beautiful No no, no,
like my dream. I'm talking about big, flaky, beautiful croissants.
I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Huge How did you? How did you palm them?

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Because it was the end of the table. Read everyone's
peeling off the loose. I look over paper towels, wrapped
the paper towel I took. I took a muffin and
a huge flaky croissant.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
See imagine if those sort of catered settings, right, let's
just say they and let's say they've gone for it
where it's like from like a bakery or something that
like they're proud to have gotten it from. Yeah, they
should have the boxes and the fucking ribbons on the
side ticket to go tongs.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, you can have them there whatever whatever.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
But then like, who isn't going to grab the box
and tongue in and a piece of tissue and tongue
in two croissants and bring it home totally?

Speaker 3 (36:26):
And then and then.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
All those actors have spread the good word of the
pastry company.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yeah, and that just be lovely.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
It would Wait.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
So what were you so one five that you wanted
to get into I don't even know where to begin.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
You'd read the script. When reading the script, did you go, oh,
I'm gonna have to cry? Or did you go I
was like.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I'm not going to Actually, I'm like, there's no a
world where I gonna expect me.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
To cry here?

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Right, So you went in without that concern? Yeah, it starts.
How deep into the script you know? How many pages
you know, roughly slash minutes do.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
You want until that? Oh? I entered quite early, but
the crying stuff isn't until the end.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
How early are other characters crying in this film quite early,
a few of them.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Okay, so you realized sty quickly steady stream, you know,
I go, oh ship, they're fucking bringing in like this
is this is exciting.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
So the thrill to watch. I was moved at first
you go to this ridiculous or not, But I mean.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
First not ridiculously.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
I just like, I just was like, Wow, these are
real actors and they're really able to go there.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
And did you immediately go oh shit, it's on, I
have to I have to do it too?

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Or was there a refusal of the call? Okay?

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Was there a period of arguing with whether or not
you should even try?

Speaker 5 (37:51):
I think that's I think the reason I was able
to is that I was like, well, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
You freed yourself like I was. I was like, A
I can't. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
I was like I can't do it, and and I'm
not going to because I don't need to. What do
I have to prove?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Apparently I did have something to improve?

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Okay, So so you start realizing around twenty minutes in
or whatever, it's happening tears are happening for people, right, yeah,
and you know that your crying scene is n'tntil.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Like last ten pages? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Okay, So at what point do you start to going
with try.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
And I'm talking about people are crying, like blowing their nose,
like crying crying?

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Okay, and are they actually blowing their nose? Do they
have tissues there?

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Can you do an impression without the you know, a
dry impression level of crying?

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, like that humble and.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Then sorry, not a snort, but like that kind of
shit yeah, yeah, like yep, holy shit, it fucking wrong.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
They were good too, They were good.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
I was like, holy shit.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
And do you think they'd been preparing?

Speaker 2 (38:57):
No, not intensely. I really don't think you think, right,
I think they'd read it. I mean maybe yeah, but
like I don't think it was like a lot of preparation.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Now, I mean, eventually, when we see what this movie
is and who's in it, that's going to add a
lot to the story.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
And I'm excited about say nothing now, yeah, of course not.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
So do you start to think I should go hunting
into my personal history to dredge up emotion?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Now?

Speaker 5 (39:21):
So here is why I think I was able to
get emotional is that I hadn't been crying that morning,
but I had on the drive there not thinking about
I just was kind of like.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
It wasn't like I was not far away.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
From intense emotion. Yeah, even if I hadn't been crying,
like I was just.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
The wait, let me, can I tell you where the
story was really about? Oh yeah, picture this. We're about
halfway through. Someone's cried, but we're not in the thick
of the crying, but it's still heavy. I start to
hear it's not loud, but I hear a phone alarm
clearly going off. Okay, and it's not loud. It's kind of.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
Like like it's it's like a gentle one. But I
hear it's still going and again it's not it's not
even super disruptive because it's like quiet enough.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
But you're like everyone's.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Probably kind of like of course training nor it hoping.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
It's so so I'm kind of sitting there, you know,
mortified for the person, whoever it is.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Okay, oh no, no, no no, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I'm sitting there mortifying for who it is.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
And then it it goes on kind of so persistently
that I kind of do the obligatory kind of looking
around a little bit like, oh no, And I even
think to myself.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
They kind of like register.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
You're not going to do it.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
And then and then I even thought, oh, you know what,
it probably because there's a couple of older people. It's
probably someone just older, and just like they don't get it,
you know, it starts to keep going. It goes on
for kind of long enough. I go okay, because they're
a world in which this is me, right, and I does.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Anyone else doing the obligatory look around?

Speaker 5 (41:06):
Not really kind of, but so then I look, I
go into my purse.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
It's made me. It's an alarm that I had set
because normally I would turn my phone clean off, but
there was a parking whatever. The point is, I'd set
my fucking alarm for a parking thing. It's who cares?
And it was not loud enough to be like it
wasn't full hell, but of course it was.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Like and and and was there were you able to
pull off almost a like act like you discover that
it wasn't you in your bag but turn it off
and then start looking around everyone finding me.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I had to do a big home my god, you know,
but I but I kept it subtle.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
But here's the thing, really, everyone, I.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Think I just enough for those who I just did
kind of like I did kind.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Of horrible for those who kind of like, you know,
grab my heart and was like right location.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
And then but everyone staring straight ahead didn't even give
me the ignoledgence. I think out of respect.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Sometimes you have to do it for the gods. Yeah yeah, yeah,
but fuck.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Or for he who might And by the way, personal
vision cannot be ignored. They saw the gestures, they saw this,
They saw the shrinking, the saw the stage stay playing
for the back of the room, body movements or shame god.
So did you ever consider, like, okay, as my pages approach,

(42:35):
holding my eyeballs open, like you know, not blinking, like
literally like physical product or like or like you know,
like pinching your nose or whatever your tweeze a nose
hair there you go to cross your eyes will water?
I'm saying, like I want to interests. Was there any
like maybe I should I should do it? I guess
you were like I have to emotionally get there, not
at all.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I just I think it's because I went and thinking
I'm not gonna cry, and then like what happened, which
people always say, so what irritates me? Say, you're not
gonna cry. You're not gonna cry, then you'll cry. But like,
I ain't going to be that easy. I don't know. Wait,

(43:21):
you know, we gotta tech, we gotta text. You know,
we've got a message one of your doctors. Excuse me,
I've been responding to him this morning with our with
our address. What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Who?

Speaker 4 (43:30):
What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (43:31):
How terrif not tell me that one of my I forgot?

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Well, if it's one of your gods. Doctor you posted
something of his it and goes, oh, thanks so much.
You send a voice note. You can go back and listen.
He's talking. He's like, hey, thanks, I'd love to send
you this Jacline's face.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Okay, my pulse is raised. Do you understand like I
missed that I missed it, that I can't get.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
In now now Jacline, you can get in. Listen.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
You posted because you said plant diversity. He said plant diversity,
and he posted a solid.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yes and did I did? I tag doctor B.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
He responded with a with a and he goes like,
thank you so much. He's like, I'd love to send
you guys some some prebiotics that I made. He's like
an Also, I love to have you try my new
program Zoe or something Zoe.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Oh hell yeah, you know that is in our speakl
samples and joined like a microbiome like community that's advancing research.
Will you play doctor B's message?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Oh my god, yeah, wait, let me get the phone.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
I'm terrified and scared. I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
They're like like jealousy almost like like kids, like yeah,
I've been corresponding with him all morning. I'm like, he's
going to disappear like a ghost. It's wild. I'm like nervous.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
It's not weird. He's excited, he said nervous.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
He was very friendly.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
He's very fine from what I've seen, Doctor B.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
That's who it was.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Okay, here he is gar I'm scared, scared, a.

Speaker 6 (44:57):
Team happy Wednesday. Just wanted to say, hey, it's doctor
be here. Thank you for the shout out.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I'm not quite honored and gentlemen.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
And I noticed some of the others brands that you
were sharing. Some of them are my friends, so like
planing strong with ripetals.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
And he's my buddy, like his voice.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
I'm the US medical director of a company called Zoe
a personal program and we're all about plant diversity. So
if you have any interest, I would love to get
you set up with a.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Kid so you can check it out free.

Speaker 6 (45:35):
Also, I'm not sure how much you follow my work,
but I've watched to supplement company this year called thirty
eight Terra, and we have a very hot prebotic supplement.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
More than some of the checkout.

Speaker 6 (45:50):
It's quite popular, so and I'm quite excited about it.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
So anyway, Oh my god, the smiling doctor and the
great to meet you.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I love that doctor B's so cool. There's there's two
interviews when fiber Fueled. You sent me a screencrap to
read it. Yes, two time New York Times bestseller. He's
living in Charleston.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
His appearance on.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Was called Dano kind of only one picture from one angle.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Well, he's he's got a lot of video.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah, I appreciate how in the book he's like talks
about like, you know, my college eating poorly.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
You know what's funny like when like because again, because
I watch these videos, my brain is completely rotted. My
favorite thing is people trying to get because now it's
like every actress, every everyone is like here's how I
make my morning thing, and it's like, shut the fuck up.
You know, it's like everyone's doing it and they're just
trying to respond. They bank our market interests. No, but

(46:50):
it's like, here's how I make my morning tumoric latte.
And it's like we know, literally two year olds.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Know how to do this.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Now ten year olds know how to do this, like
to make a turmeric Yeah. It's like this is just
like government or use powder and had your your.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Biodivers or bioaccessible.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
We know.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
But uh, my favorite thing is when people.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Do this thing, does not say that he has not
brought that up.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Shut up.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
So I wonder if it's a myth. Whoa boy? I
think of that once. But wait, I'm trying to I
don't know. I have to look.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Because sci fi. My hair clip stuck to my arm.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Looks yet first I thought it was a spider yeah bracelet.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
Yeah okay. So oh so when people do this thing
now and there, I don't know whose people are, but
they go I get fed them on the algorithm. They
go into a grocery store and they'll pick up, say
A bought a jar of Jiff and logo Jiff is
loaded with and it's.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Like like they're they're like debunking. It's like we know
they have like animals. They're like Dan and dannibals more
like sugar can annibalss Like.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Get me no, I know, like.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Doing it.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
You're saying no, no, like random like trying to get
the game, trying to get in the wellness game.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Well, the game is absolutely late. I mean except here's
the joke. They're not okay because they can get into
the algorithm. Like I remember thinking in like you know,
nineteen eighty six, like it's too late to start a blog,
like everyone's already got one, you know what I mean,
And it was not too late to start a blow
and it wasn't too.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Late to start a podcast.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
No, no, it's never it's start anything I said, It's true.
I mean, like like and also a lot of times
there's a dearth in the moments where you know, everyone thinks,
I don't no one's doing that anymore. Yeah, competition thins,
but don't I live Like because of the light on
my shiny skin, doesn't it look like botox or something?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Yeah totally like like shine, yeah totally, while it's not
you look like a Christmas soldier.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
You look at a ten minutes exactly what I mean
by it's like lights his name Tom Hanks and like
polar express it, but it's not skin. It's a man,
but it's not the man.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm like like, yeah, I'm
like a Christmas toy, like like a wooden Christmas toy,
like an like waxy.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Got accounting for Christmas? Fucking get it here Now I'm
done with the ship.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Well, the road to Christmas is almost here once again.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Wait, what was I gonna say? Though, I'm having a
first appointment with the Natural Path tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
The way you make appointments, it's like, I'm so jealous
on the way that you do it. You knock it out,
you get the appointments. I want her an express my
expression of a d D. Yeah, making the appointments. Appointments
are where I thrive. It's almost the only place.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
I can should make mine.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Maybe we could empower each other by doing the things
for each other that are oh that's cool, hard for us.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, yeah, I like that you've helped me. What's my
thing that you've helped me with?

Speaker 5 (49:55):
I don't know, a couple of things, actually, I found
we have to start posting, I found like an old
screen grab of a diagram that you had made for
me because I was OCD spirally couldn't pick an airline seat,
and you had made a little thing for me of
like if you sat here you could or like it
was like it was like should I should I international
coach flight?

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Like what's the best one to?

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Well?

Speaker 3 (50:17):
There also was I drew live.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
There was live drawing via digital touch when you were
in one seat trying to decide if when the plane
took off you could make a leap for the row
that was empty.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
But there was someone ahead of you, like in front
of you, who had better access to the row that
was empty.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
So we were discussing so I needed an exact layout,
and you were describing it as like no, one ahead
and two over.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I'm like, so the middle is a four section or three?

Speaker 1 (50:43):
And I was drawing digital touch and then being like okay, okay,
and then being like is this.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
What it looks like? Is this your situation? Yeah? Little box.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Is very sweet, isn't it funny? I'll just say those
days you wake up last night, Okay, so last night
I want to say that I had the sadness kind of.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
And then I was like, it's fine, it's fine. We
have to go through you know, it's like we can't
all you know, it's just it's fine. Yeah, it's temporary.
It actually wasn't sadness. It was loneliness.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Okay. But I'm surprised I didn't get a request last night.
You had dinner, thought that we were going to hang.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
You had dinner, your dinner plans last night. True, I did, yeah,
because you everyone was like, people were working, like I
just reached out. I was like, wow, it was one
of those things people like, Oh, I really told myself,
I write dnight, whatever the fuck I'm not. Actually I'm
in Greece.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
What are you?

Speaker 5 (51:27):
Texted a friend who I haven't seen in ten thousand
years dinner tonight. I'm in Greece, okay, And then I
go no, no. Then I turned to my mind, this
is good, this is good, but I need I need
to be alone, you know, of course, and it was
I want to be clearer too. It's not like, oh
my partner's out of town, I can't be alone. I'm
I'm crawling up the walls.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
I've been in my house on lockdown for weeks, like
you know, recupering, I haven't had. I haven't been to
a restaurant. I was thinking about this in three weeks.
I've not been to a restaurant. I've not had a
goddamn cocktail on my birthday.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
You know. So anyway, you're very noble about that.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
But I assumed you knew we were all going to
pull it together and when you were feeling better.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
No, of course I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
I didn't think you wanted the No, I didn't want both.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
No, you know what I'm saying, the like I considered
making when I came over like that first night, like yeah, okay,
am I doing like a somber like like, am I
doing a like let's make the best of this Tiara moment?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I love you? No, no, No, I've always been like, when
I'm feeling better, it's great, we'll go to dinner.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
But I was just gonna say, went to bed.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Oh right, spiraling the other way the morning.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
But then yeah, and there was the thing where I
was and I I want to be clear, it wasn't
getting into bed like beside myself. I had a completely
fine evening, but I was just kind of like, there's.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
When I got the text like, have you watched the
blah blah blah like pretty good? Talked about are you
watching television maybe the Perfect Wife?

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, I watch Perfect Wife. You were like, was that
when a perfect way? It last kind of rocks? No,
but I'll just say stick it out. It's only three episodes.
Have you want watched the jackun I would really think
that you'd watch the immediately that launched?

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Where is it?

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Big age?

Speaker 3 (53:05):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Who is it?

Speaker 4 (53:07):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Oh honey, it's only the number one thing.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
I think it's I mean, I'll just this isn't giving
anything away, but never dare I'm missing woman.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
That's all I'm gonna say one more. You gotta know
you have to watch it tonight. I watch it tonight.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Please.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I'm like, did I did I know? I mean, did
I watch it? That's the main act.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
That's the main I mean, that's the woman, Yeah, who
goes missing.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
But she she's present in the film.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
I mean she's not interviewed. Is that what you mean interviewed?

Speaker 6 (53:41):
No?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I mean I'm sorry, it's her story there. Yeah, she
the protagonist.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Oh, I just was gonna say that.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
I went to bed kind of going I'm ready for
a new energy because you know, and again like you
haven't been feeling well, but I've been turning a corner,
really really have been woke up.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
U eyes open, I go, that's a new day, get
up period dropped instantly energy I haven't had in weeks.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, you know, I was.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
I was analyzing you in the privacy of my own
mind and thinking about how you you were doing this
thing when I was coming over and then you were
pitching let's go to the movie, and I was trying
to figure out where it was coming from, if if
you were convincing yourself or you were convincing me, like
you know what I mean. Obviously you do a lot
of like live convincing of self, you know, like like

(54:36):
the contextualization of why your choice is correct.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yeah, of course, of course, So like no, no, no,
this is actually good, you know, like that's classic, right,
So like you're like it's some You're like you're like,
what did you say? Like almost like it's weird.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Like you're like you're like, it's it's weird how much
I'm crawling up the walls or like or like like
you're like suddenly it's like I'm I don't know, start crazy,
Like you were using this kind of like language of
like it's like it's really odd, but all of a sudden,
I'm extremely I don't know. It was like was it
that you were you did you think that pitching going

(55:11):
to a movie was going to maybe disappoint me? And
you needed You're like, I'm weirdly stir crazy. That's what
I'm weirdly stir crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, what it was. Here's what it was. Because remember
before you left, I was like, but come back right,
because I was like, I was so excited to have
a cozy night in with you laughing watching TV. Yes,
And I thought, okay, so that's really important to me?
Is that going away now? Because I put twisters on.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
The right, but you didn't express that at that time.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I think that's what it was about. That it was
subconscious secretly yeah, not even secretly secret most.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
A secret to the self as we now, I mean,
what do we know? What do we know less than ourselves?

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Who do you know less than yourself?

Speaker 3 (55:54):
There?

Speaker 1 (55:54):
It is, Oh, by the way, not mothers is our merch.
I realized it. And by the way, to be clear
that it's not n ot k n ot includes the
two characters characters about that.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
And everyone vote in is it a yin yang? Is
it a yin yang? Not mother n ot and then
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Speaker 1 (56:13):
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but knowing that not mothers are just want to clarify
this very clearly. Not mothers means it occurred, includes both
non mothers who have not in the stomach, and it
includes not mothers as in mother.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
It covers both.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
It is the shrinking down of the sentiment into a
single term, and so it's huge.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
It is the acknowledgement.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Got it out.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah, I was struggling. No, I mean, this is the thing.
This is all about integrating, integrating the shadow, integrating. It's
it's you know, we.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Have to It's huge.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
Being able to keep to realities at once. It's the
only way forward. Okay, Well, I gotta go, all.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
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Speaker 1 (57:15):
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