July 11, 2023 • 47 mins
This week's episode is a re-airing of a Poog classic, as the hags: reflect on the seductive archetype of the young prodigy. The problem with better babies. Juilliard. Harvard. Lying for self-esteem.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kate b er Lance.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm Jacqueline Novak.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
And this is poog, an ongoing conversation about wellness between
two obsessive friends.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Two untamable intellects. This is our hobby, this is our hell.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is our naked desire for free products. This is
poog Today's topic.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Loslie speaking the fact that we both went to Juilliard.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey, I feel like I'm more of a listener today,
for the first time in my life. I usually can't listen.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Are you on adderall?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
No, you know me so well that you are assuming
I'm on adderall because I'm leaning back in my chair,
my knee is rocking back and forth, and I'm listening.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I don't know, because I know you have said in
the past that when on adderall, you steamroll.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
So I was just curious.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I guess I was just curious or what kind of
listening I was in for.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I actually haven't taken an adderall pill in months, not
out of trying to abstain, but just hasn't been in
my mood to be on cocaine.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Ive yourself into that.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I find that all stronger than cocaine. Actually, yeah, I've
never done cocaine. But I don't recommend it. I never
thought it would be good for me. Obviously, I would
love the high. I would love that. It's just you
can't do it anymore. Wait, it's like, are you out
of your mind? I mean you have to give it up?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
In one of the great cocaine x I really could
have been.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
It would have been good on you, sword I'd be.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So much farther than I am today.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I mean, politically, you just can't do it anymore. You know, people,
these people screaming about socialism at their parties and then
doing cocaine. It's just completely insane. So you cannot partake.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Not to reveal ignorance, But what exactly is the connection
you're suggesting politically between.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Well, what's the I love? In an effort for you
to not reveal your ignorance, you are now setting me
up to reveal my profound ignorance, which is that I
watched cartel Land once, basically, which if anyone wants to
dabble in cocaine, watch cartel Land and you'll see that
the you know, horrific violence that's an extric will be linked.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yes, and I see.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
The human toll. Yeah, it makes it hard to think
about like enjoying a bump. You know, while you're.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Sure on rhetoric here though, you know, to be clear,
rhetoric is the wind beneath our wings, right, Rhetoric is
all we have.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
All we have is kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
The thrust as our friend on earthly cadence over content.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Okay, and.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I think we you know, we dip back and forth
between the two, okay, but we must see. My mother,
for example, was raising questions about certain things I've said
on poog, you know, almost going well, it wasn't this,
it was actually this that sort of thing. Well, actually
last year I did put the presence.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Out earlier that oh blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And I've had to explain mother as someone who struggles
with being addicted to nuance at all costs, at the
cost of boring others.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
While I try to get.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It dead right, I have to at times aim for
some kind of statement that is a statement such as
my mother never blah blah blah, to communicate it.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
All, even if it's not factually accurate.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I mean, I'm not one of these don't let facts
get in the way of a good story people.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I do like for the facts to pull on.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
You Lli, we're gonna die one day. I'mbellish. I don't
care added detail. Tell me, like, who care?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Entertained it all costs?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Entertained it all costs. And of course I'm not endorsing
pathological lying. And I used to dip into some deep lying.
I was an absolute liar as a child, and they
were benevolent lies. But I but I would become pathologically
I would begin to believe them myself, like I'll just
say quickly, but they're so mundane in this devastating way.
I'm an only child, and I lied about having an
(03:41):
older brother. And I went to school and my friend Kimmy,
a dear friend of mine. This was in the seventh grade.
She came over to my house for a play date
and she said something about, oh, like, where's your brother?
And I was like, I don't have a brother, and
she was like, I forgot about the lie. And she
was like, you told me an older brother named Adam.
And I was like, so that was devastating.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Ask your parents about any failed pregnancies.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh wow, No, no, no, no, he's not he's not. But
there was an urge for an atom, There was an
urge for brethren, for protection for the idea of somebody
teaching me how to, you know, ride a bicycle perhaps,
And then I lied also about having a black Labrador
dog named Shadow. And then one time, and this is
a real memory, somebody came over to the house and
brought an adult, brought a toy for Shadow. The adult
(04:31):
had to know Shadow wasn't real, So this adult was
trying to somehow support my phantom dog, right, kind of
support the nerr was real?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Right, It wasn't like they showed up. There was no Shadow.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I just remember the dog. I remember the dog toy
and being like and then kind of being confused and
being like, see, Shadow is real. And I lied about
being Curly Sue, that that was me.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Let's take a minute with that, because this is a
six minute chuckle for me. Okay, you lied about being
Curly Suit, about having been Curly Sue, and I believe
made Curly Suit.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Now when did you?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Well, in my mind, I was like Curly Sue's age,
and I was like, well, that might as well be me.
So that's very what those for those who don't know,
Curly Sue was an early nineties film, perhaps even late
eighties that I haven't seen in ages. But the star
is you guessed it. She's got curly brown locks, much
like myself. I think it's Jim Belushi and Andy McDowell,
Is it not. I would look it up, but who cares.
(05:26):
And yeah, I just really believe that that was me.
And so I told some folks.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think that's one of your gifts.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Okay, Well, I think you are able to manifest realities.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay, through a slippery relation to the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Many writing it down, writing it down, yea, many of
us could benefit. Don't need to, it's a podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But yeah, well, like, let me give an example.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You had a quote somewhere on one of your materials
at some point right that said like something like your
David Lynch's favorite comedian, you're your bad.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
That's not true. I have to stop you. It's that
this is so funny. Dance Saint Jermaine a stand up
comedian back in New York or yeah, you know, pound
in the mind dance Saint Jermaine once said that my
stand up or something was like if David Lynch did
stand up, that's what you're thinking.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, no, no, indeed, I wanted to create a light.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And by the way, you told me because here's what
I'm saying. I don't think I ever seeing some version
of it somewhere. Okay, that may have been even like
you said it on stage as a joke or something.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It could be, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
But I thought I saw it somewhere specifically, like maybe
someone quoted misquoted, Okay, but I saw it because I
then reached out and said, is this quote from David
Lynch real? Like? Because I was like, oh, I was
racked with jealousy. Of course, can you imagine? So there
was like there was that and then oh no, and
then I'm forgetting another one.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Nurse Jackie.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Oh, that's right. I used to have fake credits because
I had no credits, so I'd have people be like,
you know, are from Nurse Jackie Kate Berlant, and it's
great because like people go, oh, and that was just
kind of fun. It's just fun.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
We you know comedians.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It was always Nurse Jackie. Credit was always shocking, right,
and it's perfect because everyone's like, because everyone else's credits
is like, he's got a Comedy Central what happen? And
so that was mine. I just want to say that
I wanted to spread a lie and I was even
considering really kind of starting to spread it. I was
going to spread a lie that I went to Juilliard
(07:19):
because I was like that, Actually, I think if you
if people thought I went to Juilliard for acting, I
would never say that.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I guess I was considering, like, what if just I
started telling people to kind of this is start slipping
that into conversation.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Then I did go to Juli, because I did go
to Juilliard.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Okay, see, I know you're lying.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Okay, I know, but here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You know, I was silent with the excitement, okay because
currently and I had to take it out for space,
and then I had to put it back in because
I missed it too bad.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Currently in my profile.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Okay, on Instagram, I don't say I went to Juilliard,
but I do have a quote that's meaningful to me
from says the last Dance again that I think is
both hilarious and whatever, which is do you want Juilliard?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Oh my god, I've never noticed that that your Instagram.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yes, okay, Dash saved the last Dance.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I assume it's there unless I made room to promote something, okay,
because yeah, it's not there right now. Fuck Okay, it
was there literally a week ago. Okay, and it's going
back in, it's going back in whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But yet everything about Juilliard, Juilliard is is the catnip
to my ego in a way that the devastation of
not having gone to Juilliard. I mean, you talk about
there being no language for exercise in the home growing up.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I feel like no one.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Raised the possibility of Juilliard generally to me, you know,
like I just truly thought it was something others found
their way to.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And I don't even know what I would have gone for.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
You know what I'm realizing. I'll just say that part
of my lying, my mother tells a story about how
she lied. My mom has a self consciousness of having
not gone to college. And she was at some part,
some dinner party, and the topic of Harvard came up,
and someone was like, who went to Harvard? Maybe it
was like it was some kind of like gala or
(09:07):
something or like there was like someone on the microphone
and people at tables, and my mom raised her hand
and just like to kind of gain the power of
like I went to Harvard, right, And people kind of
looked at her like oh you know. And then a
friend that knows her goes, you didn't go to Harvard
and she was like, she was like, I went for
two years.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I left. See that's the gift you have, that gift,
that lie, that secondary lie, the defense.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Lie.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I heard you in that so hardcore the I won't
have two years I left. That is like that's like
a U lie. You know what I mean, because it's
very it's very good, it's it makes sense. I don't know,
I just I hear you in that.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It's a wild No. I'm realizing, Oh, that's totally my
mother's influence, because how dare you tell me I didn't
go to Juilliard? Who the hell do you think you are?
And all that me going to Juilliard really means to
you is me saying I went to Juilliard.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Huge, and I think this is huge.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So I did go to Julliard. I did totally, No.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
As did I. That's why I was trying to claim
it earlier. I was trying to because I thought I
felt that it was very clear that there was a
benefit to doing this okay psychologically, and so I said, well,
you know, I did go to Julliard.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That was me dropping right into it.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, of course you shut me.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Down instantly, Can I understand? You know? But no, we
went to Juilliard.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Harvard, though, can be a curse where it becomes uh,
you have there. If someone has gone to Harvard, right,
that causes me to ask myself, do I think they like?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Do I think they are up to the snuff of
what I believe Harvard is? Okay? Okay, So so if
someone's gone to Harvard, that causes me to pose a
question of how smart do I think they are? Right?
Are they matching up to Harvard? Are they below? Are
they absolutely above? So, like I have a friend who
went to Harvard who I regularly.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Anytime she does something genius, I'm like, Harvard.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, going on Harvard, that she got over the top.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Okay, not that she got the genius there, of course, right,
but like that's the Harvard Okay, there there it is,
that's the essence in you, that was Harvard bound, that gave.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Him this car.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
And then there's other people who I find out go
to Harvard. I never forget it because I go They're
a fool and an asshole.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I do not see how they.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Slip inherited wealth I mean that's because at this point,
if you're going to Harvard, if you're still you know,
dining at the table, if the Ivy League, like it's
so antiquated, we've already now we know college is like
essentially useless in a Ponzi scheme, like unless you know, yes,
of course for the friendships and be exposed to new ideas,
but also do that in your apartment with your friends,
or like download a goddamn syllabus. Like it's it's just
(11:42):
you know, more and more and it's really great. The
college should be like knee capped rights and it's un
affordable and there's no protection in the knees. Is that
what you hit in the knees? Yeah, like like a
mob term.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
So the ease of which you said, yeah, it's got
to be knee capped.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It's like, wait, you think it was, like yeah, So
you know, college should be you know, revealed for what
it kind of truly is, or kind of the what
it allegedly promises has been revealed to be a lie.
You know, So we know that now, and so having
like wearing the Harvard sweatshirt in this world now is
(12:20):
so strange, Like I'm obviously not actually saying that it's
like wearing like a swasiaka, but there's something about it
that feels like there's something about because we also know
that that system is like deeply like racist and like
like so fucked up and corrupt, and so it's like
you're holding on with a white knuckle grip to these
symbols that have been kind of stripped of their power
(12:42):
and so but they still hold power so to like
if I were to walk around in a Yale sweatshirt,
but it does make me kind of scream with power
in a certain way.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
No, right, can you use the symbol?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I'm actually I'm gonna buy a Jilliard swetchert. I just
realized I'm actually racing. I'm absolutely racing because I think
if I start lying going to Juilliard and then someone
calls me on it, I'll just go I haven't actually decided.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
No no, no, no, no, no, but you I I I agree,
I okay. I flew forward with this, okay because in
my mind, so so someone goes, you know, I know
you didn't go to Juilliard, okay, and I scream, out
of course, you don't know shit about me first this day,
and I just in general sense, even to a good friend. Right,
I go, well, what does that mean to you? You
(13:31):
know what I'm saying, I I I investigate. There's more
about that round Juilliard.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
So it's it's like it's like or you know what,
you didn't go to Juilliard and I go, you did? Okay,
that's great, Okay, you know is it's actually I'm going
you did?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I did? We all did? Okay?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, you want to for me?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You know, the fantasy, the fantasy of Juilliard and I,
you know, is young prodigy. That's that's what it's about
for me, always yearn to be a young prodigy. Mean,
it's the sex, sex behind that, behind the uh Juilliard,
it's so nineties.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well also, it's what's that other dance.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Movie I'm looking up Juilliard sweatshirt?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Uh New York.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It's it's not a BT, but it's like a BT.
It's called something else. Oh it's the Ballerinas.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Sorry I'm scoffing at the contemporary Juilliard fawn, but continue,
sorry that I will be by.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
To see it. I want to see it.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
It's heinous. It's like it's like Hew Venica's uncle it's
a bad one. That's like, go for the classic, go
for the.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Like they're trying to modernize with a song serah kind
of like give me, give me s.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
The font doesn't have this, but the font is communicating
as if the sweatshirt said Juilliard period. Of course, like
that's like like that, which.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Is I get that?
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And Juilliard period to me is like is like it's
like Juilliard.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Need I say more? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, Like here, I'm gonna have to go to eBay
to buy good, asked Juliard. Yeah, here's a vintage that
is Juilliard sweatshirt, size XIL fifty dollars free shipping, but
it's exile.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I no, you don't wear excel. I love an excel.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I love a big one.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
So I'll expect a package delivered quite soon. I'm racing
because I'm afraid. I'm this is the race of eBay.
Are you going to catch it before I do?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Hold on? Oh, vintage shopping with a friend.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I'm watching it, Vin Pridge, I should hope.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So vintage Juilliard sweatshirt do you recall shopping with a friend.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Like What's Up with a Friend? As being a movie?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
This doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Oh you know what, Well, here's a big question. Did
you spill a Juilliard Right, I'm pretty sure I did.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I did, you know?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
But the I in the first part of the world, Honey,
I learned the hard way, but I know now. But yeah,
to be like the shame of a well rounded liberal
arts education, you know, like I was ashamed before I
went into it, and I was shamed after. But the
seduction of well roundedness.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Well, I just want to say, it's Julliard sweatshirt that's
in the font of like the Woodyown Manhattan movie. Like
that's how I recognize it, recognize it with like the
buildings as the letters. But something about that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's not it. That's like they were they were trying
to be cute.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
But it's ax L which I like a big sweatshirt.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But send it to me.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Okay, I'm buying it now by now.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Okay, send it to me. Can you just give me
what your search term was? Okay, because I'm going to
outbid you because I'm not cheap like.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You the offer.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I think you get the idea and I think you
have sense from the tone of my voice, it's time
to go to add.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Good news freaks. We're back in the podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
So I'm I am regularly seduced. Kit, have you put
in your order yet, because you're eyeing cast downwards? Give
me one second, as if not to the heavens hell
itself aka phone.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
What if you perceived everyone looking down at their phone?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Okay, you chose to like choose to perceive that not
as them looking down on their phone, but them staring
down at hell.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, it's finally interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Like across the table, like they're like their eyes they
can't cast away from.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
By the man they are looking. They are looking towards
hell because they're looking towards social media. And we got
to make a note. We have to do a social
media addiction episode.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Now it's one of your big concerns of life.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Well then it is. It's relevant here.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
But I do want to briefly talk about my Juilliard
led me to young prodigyism. Okay, seduces me. It has
time and again. Oh do I love a movie or
you know a show about a young genius? Okay, I
was not called a young genius, you know what I'm saying,
And that's why I yearned for it.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
That surprises people thought I was dumb because I said, like.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
A lot right misogyny.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, and and so I have a chip on my shoulder.
I have a classic chip on my shoulder where I go.
That guy he's talking like I could tell he thinks
I'm some kind of idiot. I mean, it's a literal
chip on the shoulder. You know, it's it's ugly. It's
ugly to Okay, are you still doing your order?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Because I'm seeing my hand's moving.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
My hands are up here, they're under my they're actually
under my I swear to god, there's not a device
in my hand.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I I'm sorry. I'm a little quiet here because I'm
actually thinking, like, wow, I've actually never longed to be
a child genius. I was treated as being like as
as we've covered on POOG, I couldn't do math. I
was exempt from math my senior year because I was
holding down the whole class.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
But I was also we've talked about it, but never
talked about it, and we're going to talk about it
today early education.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I want to say quickly the problem of being an
overly charming child, which I'm afraid I was. Of course
I was able to charm. I'm having this flashback my
math teacher to let me show home videos of myself
during class, and I just remember as a child that
(19:01):
I was like, I mean, I say child, it was like,
you know, the eighth grade, ninth grade. Yeah, and I
and I I know I'm not fabricating this memory. I
have to reach out to a friend. I just remember
being like showing home videos of myself being funny when
I'm little, and the whole class loving it. And I
was like totally allowed.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Now, the memories of the whole class loving it might
be a fabric, which is hysterical.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Right, Well, there's also something about there's nothing more embarrassing,
and we all fall into this trap. It's particularly hard
when you see attractive hot actresses posting photos of themselves
as little children.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Right, Okay, I'm so I'm so excited right now.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, the posting of the picture of oneself in one's youth.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Which I have fallen prey to.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I have and as have I. Okay, profound narcissism, right.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Profud profound, calcified, calcified, terminal narcissism.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That is artifact of narcissism. It is narcissm.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
As was extreme because what's so ugly about it, okay
and so sad. It's a belief that one's current present
image is meaningful enough, Okay, meaningful enough and important to
people that they could only okay, be fascinated to see
the evolution and that which led to that which led
(20:20):
to that which you.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Know and love currently. But like showing your let me
show work like.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
That what we got here, and it's well, this is
this is a big problem with documentary, okay, Okay. So
home videos are also similar to celebrity Okay, home videos
videos of you as a child, or videos of you
puttering around the kitchen whatever, Okay, any of that, any
of that even even sort of current day whatever, you
(20:48):
better be dying or you better be the former first Lady, Okay.
Because I've spent time thinking about when I'm watching documentary
footage of someone and deciding whether or not it is
deeply self indulgent, m you know, or whether it has meaning.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Have we not covered is this a poop thing? Or
just something I've screamed about because I hate in documentaries
when they show the subject that the old super eight
footage of the of the person puttering around the yard
with a hose as a baby, and I'm like, I
don't care, Like it's like we're here because they murdered
eighteen people. I don't want like, I'm not like, but
they were a baby once.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It's like, you know, we know about a criminal, for example,
I guess that's what I'm thinking, but even that, there's
inherent meaning in seeing a criminal as a baby.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Or like I don't need to see a photo of
Joe Biden as a four year old to be like
to think, I guess there is something And this is
why we continue to repost the baby photos because there
is something about looking at the photo of the baby
arrested in time and then knowledge then it became Joe
Biden or whatever. It's like it's like little did they know?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And it floods us with these images of the banal
everyday occurrences that happen to celebrities. It's like, I too aged,
Like that's what's so weird about it. It's like celebrity
being like they're just like us, is it?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Stars?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
They're just like, yeah, I too have aged, I too
was a child, and it's you know, we know, as
if they're acknowledging how they have achieved this level that's
so beyond the imagination because of their fame that to
see them as a child would would shock us, because
you need them to have always been, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Susp.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Transcended, to have transcended to that, and then you look
for it in the well the endless. You know, see
what the stars looked like in high school? I mean
a classic was like.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You know, you know, Nicole recognizable doesn't even work. Nicole Kimmen.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
She was considered awkward because she was a six foot
tall model, you know, that whole like thing, like the
kind of like they were nerdy and kept themselves whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But like looking at the yearbook.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Photo of the star, right, it's like you stare at
them and you try to see inevitability. Right, You try
to try to find inevitability for them, and then you
look at yourself and ask their inevitability of great in you.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Wait, two things, two things, okay, documentary, I need to explain. First, lady,
don't let me forget sorry, I interrupted you classically, Okay, classically,
I love and support introduction. I mean interruption as the
means of Jewish conversational style.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I know, but to others not raised with that style,
it appears as harm.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It is rappoort establishment to interrupt and to disagree, to
point out.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
In consistencies, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
These are ways of showing engagement, you know, and we
do it freely here and the joy that's evidenced. I mean,
maybe people think we're extremely evolved from not being offended
by you know.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I've tried to take that approach to my personal life,
and I see that it does read as harm. It
does read as not listening and narcissism as much as I.
But there are you, John, there are some people that
I can engage in that kind of conversation will flow
with anyway. Contin you so.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Wait, But to return to the narcissism issue, Okay, the
photos of oneself, the footage. So I'll be watching something
and deciding whether it's self indulgent. And so for me,
I've watched documentaries where someone is dying, okay, or of course,
I mean, here's here's an even simpler example. Someone is dead,
right then footage of their life is now contect footage
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of their life now has meaning right them puttering around
the kitchen okay, says something to us about the nature
of existence.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Again, former first Lady.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Okay, I say, because it's sort of a people that
we hold as bigger than life. Right, for whatever reason,
it does fascinate us and seems reasonable.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Okay, I guess that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I guess I'm saying the baby pick of the celebrity
I support because it does interest me, right for that reason? Right,
the important person these things? But when you but the
other thing is Joe Biden? How could he have been
a baby? I was a baby on now I can
vote for him because he chooses a baby, But what
that reminds me of? Okay, and this is a and
(24:54):
this may have to get cut if it doesn't come
out right, okay, if it sours into harm.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Into listener.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Okayized it falls out of my mouth. Okay, but this
is one of my notions. Okay, Okay, are you ready?
Why are we so obsessed or addicted? Or why do
we take such pleasure? And before and after photos?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Okay? Okay, this is huge? Okay, you ready? Are you ready?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
So let's just take and this is the ugly example.
And I may do a different example after whatever, but wait, okay,
of course, and my favorite before and after you know,
they would do different iterations of this, and the Biggest
Loser show that I you know, adored, the classic was
because I always think of this as the the experience
(25:41):
the Volva undergoes with the curtain of the hymen, okay,
which is they used to do the thing where they
would have a poster, a full full sized poster of
the person before going on the show, and then the
finale that so they have that out there and then
they entered the stage by bursting through the photo.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Of course on the other side.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, okay, that was great.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
They also did every Daytime talk show with their previous
weight on okay, like a like a fat suit of
their previous weight. They made them like whoa whatever, Okay,
So I'm I love nothing more than to look at
it before and after photo. You know, of almost anything,
but let's sap whatever an advertisement for weight loss product, okay, wrinkles,
whatever the fuck it is, but let's just take weight. Look,
(26:22):
let's let's go to weight. It's not you're looking at
before and after picture. Something in you, your brain is
lighting up, okay, something in you is excited and enjoys it.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And once another let me swipe through.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I'm always disappointed when there aren't many before and after you,
I want as many as I can, right, And there's
an experience of delight, excitement and wonder.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Now let's say it's look, after a year of exercise
and diet, I lost one hundred pounds. See the picture
on the left, see the picture on the right. The
wonder and this is what's ugly. The wonder, the disbelief,
the excitement is not the fact that they lost the weight, okay,
or the fact that this diet and exercise cause them
(27:04):
to lose the weight. The wonder, as your eyes pass
back and forth between left and right, is how can
those be the same person? I was gonna say, can
those be the same soul? How is it possible that
that go getter is the same as that lazy slam?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay? Okay? And that's that's the the utter darkness.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I believe that something on that you are judging, You
are inability to separate the soul from the body.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Is why there's wonder And you stare and you go,
that's the same person, the same person, the same soul,
same soul, same soul, And you become deeply aware of
your own prejudices around these these things.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's also just the need to like want to look
at ugly photos of other people.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Well, Chris always like everyone watches American Idol see like
the bad you know, look at this poor little are
things they can sing, And I was like, I don't
watch it for that reason. I watch it because I
love to see like he who didn't, you know, think
he could ever make it, make it?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, the bodies are I'm a little distracted because I'm
still in that body. The soul. We've talked about that
and that's what was it Plato Sorry, you know I
had this. It was it was like, oh, the beautiful
soul creates the beautiful person.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Right, right, and it's just not fair, right right, But it's.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Like it is so hard we cannot There used to
be this like the Platonic idea that, like the physical
person is actually a representation of the inner world.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Do you mean the old school idea that like, if
you had warts, it was because your soul what.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Like you much like, yeah, you mean the ugly.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
By the way, we still talk about wellness, talk about poog.
There still is this obsession with the vessel as an
expression of the interior world. So if you are having pimples,
if you are having bloading, if you are having these things,
there is first of all, something wrong right, and that
it's an indication of some moral failing. While you've been
(29:04):
gorging yourself on dairy and wine, you hog right, or
you're stressed, or you're not in the right career. If
you were in the right career, it would express itself
on your skin.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Remember when Carrie Bradshaw didn't want to get married and
that's why she broke it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
It dress, Okay, I think.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
It should be a right. I think everyone should have
someone rip a wedding dress off their back at some point.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, you always want to get married in a blood
drenched wedding dress or something.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You imagine. I think that might be. I was it's
so che to get married in black?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well maybe it was. Yeah, it was in part that
like that you wouldn't wear a white dress symbolizing rhinity.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I mean I would No, I don't think I could
ever wear a maybe not like a white or like
I don't think I could do it. But then being
too alternative, being like war red, you know, or something,
it's like you're screwed either way. I know we've talked
about this in the past. It's like it's it's it's
a it's the invented choice. It's the this optic of like,
(30:11):
there is a choice. It's like no, you're damns, like
you either have to adhere completely to the tradition and
any deviation from that is like, there's no, it's it's
the false choice. It's the forced false choice. Either way
you're inscribed in that system. You're not going to escape
exactly the horrifying institution. Just because you wore red.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
By rejecting it. You pronounce it by by rejecting it.
You you acknowledge it, right, so so you know and
in your attempt to heels are present, the idea of
heels is more present, not on a woman wearing heels.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But flat on a woman wearing converse under the wedding dress.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
That's so brilliant. Flats flats, Oh, you're right, yeah, and
tempt to escape present and and like and big right,
it's filling the room because it's an idea or flat, Yeah,
the shoe.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
The flat takes up more psychological space.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Right, twenty four square inches of space in the rooms
are filling the minds.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Of all.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
That's amazing, gently leading you out, lifting you out, and
dunking you into the ads for a fresh swim.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
How'd you like those ads?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
We're back so young genius or something about And again
we're not really talking generally in this episode about this,
but I'm haunted by the presence of a certain book
that I think anyone listening who might be pregnant or
in the process of becoming pregnant might hear about, called
the Better Baby Book. Yes, and I'm not kidding you,
And it's a very it's like a very luted current book,
(31:52):
and it's all about like, sure, you could have a
good baby, but what about having a better baby? No,
I want to like a shot, Yes, yes, And it's
all about also this putting all the pressure on the woman.
If you if you're not eating this amount of zucchini
and this amount of flaxy whatever, your shitty baby isn't
(32:14):
gonna go to juilliards or whatever, or like, by the way,
as though some kind of perfect pregnancy in which you're
eating to anything this smoothie and those nutrients, as if
that's not going to lead to a fucking asshole kid
who maybe does horrible harm or is just quite frankly
not too bright, which is the horrifying reality of reproduction, right,
(32:36):
is that sometimes you just have a kid. It doesn't
mean you don't love them, but they grow into a
massive disappointment. And that's the reality that people can't contend
within romantic relationships with child. With children. It's like you
have to recognize that these bonds are still powerful and
psychedelically intense at times. But it doesn't mean you don't
(33:00):
look at the person, the child, the person that you
love and go oh god, like that's that's okay, right,
And it's this this idea of like the of the child,
and that's when we get into kind of narcissism or right.
The idea of the child is a projection of the parents.
The idea of the partner is a projection of you.
Or it's like, again this is all kind of half
(33:20):
big thinking here. But even if you have so the
Better Baby book and again I almost know I know
almost nothing about it, but this idea of of engineering
this better baby than the babies that have come before.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
You know, like the classic like I don't know, Twilight
Zone whatever, like you know, they're in the guys in Heaven.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
It's it's it's great, it's.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Great, it's great, then it's boring and it's oh wait,
actually it's hell. Right, And this is the you know,
you know, doesn't anything ever change around here or whatever?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Like you know, like and and.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
We talked about this last week with wellness, about yearning
for rapture et cetera, et cetera. Over you know that
the placid wellness image sounds.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Like hell, like the house is clean.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Well, I've had Okay, the perfect baby, you know, whatever
the hell that means, is closer to hell than the
imperfect baby, because the imperfect baby has at least something
tangible to work on in our tangible world. Okay, right,
the baby who has transcended all of the human failings,
ready to assend birth?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
What hell? What true hell?
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Like no, absolutely and like the oh and deals remind
me about okay, So like deals, deal hunting okay, hunting
for deals, et cetera. Chasing deals okay, okay is something
you know, I enjoy okay, and I enjoy a hunting
deals and and I've had moments where that which you
seek is given okay, and you experience.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
A profound meaninglessness. Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
So, so, for example, you finally find a store. Let's
just say where everything that you've wanted is there and
it's cheap. Okay, let's just say it's a vintage store
out in the middle of nowhere where they don't know
what the what it's worth or whatever. Okay, and everything
you want is there and it's affordable.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Okay, it is. It is. It is like.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Pushing up against the door, banging on a door, banging
on a door, banging on a door, and someone opens
the door and you tumble down. You fall down right
into it because you've been pushing against it for so long.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
And now what right this this image comes up from
me a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
But but the perfect baby, I mean, good luck. First,
what does it even look like you're kicking the You're
kicking the problem further down the line, okay, because because
all you're doing is moving the goalpost. Okay, because here's
here's the thing. So, so you're angry that you're not
a polyuh linguist. Okay, You're angry that you know all
(35:49):
these things that you were robbed of, right, and then
you you create your perfect nutrient baby or whatever right
out of you know, feeding it the right nutrients, so
you have the vessel that's ready to receive, and then
you start pumping it full knowledge. You teach it all
the languages, okay, and you get you give that baby
everything you wish you had in you by you know,
by five five years old, right, and so you think
(36:11):
you've done it, but not the baby still rude is
here with wants.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
So now what does the baby have?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
The baby speaks five languages and feels alienated from its
one language, Piers exactly, okay, and now it's life becomes
about alienation. You're just kicking suffering, the suffering down the line,
and it's all.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, it's all this this very human need to avoid
pain and suffering. But it's like, good luck, you can
be that. And again not taking into account the way
this like exceptionalism is like damaging or something. But just
like it doesn't matter. You're still that baby. Still might
not be funny, probably won't be well.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
The baby itself though, even the baby itself.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
The nurturing is the violence, right, So.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
As someone who is over nurtured, I can tell the
parent presses as the parent presses nutrients into the baby.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Okay, let's just as a visual press, push push push, Okay,
the baby looks up.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And sees the maniacal.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Mania.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
So you have just displaced lack of nutrient, you know,
or or bad nutrition. You've displaced it with the pushing
of your desire perfect child. And I'll take the possibly
the oxidants or whatever, I'll take the bad I'll take
the bad nutrients.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Also therefore potentially erasing who that person might actually be.
Or it's like what you're actually doing by those like
the oh, my baby listens to Beethoven and we're teaching
it four languages, you're potentially erasing a much better person
through this like rigorous application of these skills. And I
just want to say that there used to be an
(37:45):
infomationar called my baby Can Read? Did you ever see
these on the on the on the television, There was
a commercial that used to haunt me, and it was
called my baby or your baby can Read? And there
were these commercials and there were straight up babies and
hytros being like in their baby for reading and being like,
you know, the cat jumped over the fucking dog or whatever,
(38:05):
and everyone's freaking out and they have these huge flashed cards.
I have to look it up.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
An audience full of people are clapping and applauded, and it's.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Like, so the baby learns to read, right, and then
what al so what even is that? I mean, don't
even get me started on parrots and like it's like
what is language? Like how does it all? I don't know.
Well I don't even know how to get into that.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Oh but like, well a parent your baby, I mean,
what's the meaning?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
We never want to talk about it. How parrot's talking
is something that I'll never get over. And it's just
like I saw a parrot recently that was like, hey,
how are you? And it was just like what, like
I'll never not be stunned by the parent talking. And
I don't understand how we're supposed to just.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Gory parents talk.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
What No, No, I'd like a full episode of that,
but I will. I will give one joke that I
heard from a taxi driver that I thought was very funny. Okay,
because he dropped me off at the comedy club. You know,
he had a joke okay, and it's related to a parrot.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I've probably told this to you before, So one time
I've heard a street joke and enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
All right, you ready, It's as simple as this. A
guy walks by, maya a pet shop. There's a parrot
in the window. Sorry, it's a woman. It's a woman
who walks by.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
And it's essential because you'll see the gendered issues of goodness,
and the.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Stakes are higher.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
With a woman, of course, walks by. Parents, you're ugly, okay.
The woman's horrified. Okay. She's walking to work.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
The next day, walks past the pet shop. This new parrot, okay,
goes you're ugly. Okay, she goes, this is unacceptable. It
goes into the pet shop. Okay, so you got to
do something about this. Is his parents calling me ugly,
it's it's horrible. Okay, Okay, it leaves whatever they go Okay, okay,
all right.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I'll talk.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
I'll talk to him then, okay, elaborating her just slightly, okay.
But but anyway, third day walks by, looks at the parrot, okay,
and the parrot looks at her and says, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Oh, brutal.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
It's funny, right. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
And it's very profound.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I think so too, because because ultimately it's right. It's
it's the problem is in is in the woman, right,
The problem is not in the parrot, right, the parrot
has has affirmed.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I mean, it's the woman's fears the problem.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
The woman walking into the store to have the parrot,
you know, corrected, right, reveals a profound insecurity, so that
you know, doesn't even just mean you know, you know
what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Okay, it's profound. It's profound.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
It's one of the street jobs.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
As they say, I love language parrots. You have, oh right, right,
babies who can read?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I'm really looking up the Better Baby Book just because
I just I can't imagine if being pregnant that the
pressure of that to like construct this perfect person.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
It's just like that's got to be absolutely abandoned.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Here's what it's actually called, The Better Baby Book, How
to have a healthier, smarter, happier baby.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
You're right, good luck.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
The very moment you bought that book is the moment
it was over, and it's like, oh, it's like moment
that books on you.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
And it's the cover is just like white, Okay, this
is this is it a white oh you know this
white woman with and this is the ultimate this is
the ultimate white fantasy, brown hair, blue eyes. Wait okay,
wait that is that is the white.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Fantasy, because let me try to get.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Because the mystique of a white woman, she I just
that thing of the brown hair, blue woman.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I want to take this in.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Okay, so this is a white you're talking about white
fantasy of a white woman with brown hair and blue.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Eyes and blue eyes something about that.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah, well yes, because here's what this was my first
guests reading on to you. Okay, what assuming this was
an original of yours? Okay, is is it? You get
the intellectualism of a brunette.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Okay, you're not.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Sullied, you're not sullied by blonde blondness. Okay, you get
and you get the blue, the exotic and the beauty
of a of a rare blue eye exactly held in
the promise. Hell, you know it's a jewel inside of
a book.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yes, correct, correct, because I feel.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Like the blue eye on the blonde gets kind of
swallowed by the blonde identity.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, no, you're exactly right. And so this
woman on the on the cover posed in this really
bizarre thing. She's smiling with this like garish kind of
like slutty, like oh no, fucked, and like she has
this bowl and by the way, it's weird. Presumably she's
drinking broth, because there's there's a spoon in the air
(42:31):
with nothing on it, and she's cupping a white bull,
So this like emptiness.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
I mean, there's way she's holding a empty spoon above
a bowl of s.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
She's spooning something into her mouth, presumably, but the spoon
is empty, visibly empty, which is obviously visu sign of
things to come.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Me on the way down.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
You're a genius. The spoon could be on the way down.
It could be on the way down, but I just
have but no.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Nonetheless, the way you read it is the way is
half of how people will read it.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
By the way, this woman looks fourteen, Like how like
hot women are supposed to still look like babies, right,
So she almost looks like a little baby. So it's
like a pregnant baby being like, I can.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Help you eating something you don't have to chew, you
know what I'm saying, Like she's spoon feeding herself.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
It's like baby food. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Sorry, I'm just gonna go quick because I'm looking at
the table of contents.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Give me more.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
You are a co creator the better baby plan ew
and then such things as you know what Nazi eat terrifying.
But I'm also can't wait to see.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
What if you and me did the better baby book
while we were birthing, you know, creative projects like real sinos. Yeah,
I'm gonna be sick and twisted. Wait, oh wait, what's.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
The font like of the cover?
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah, because I have a theory I want to you
you said earlier the font said Julliard period.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I'm by the way, I'm not kidding. It's similar to the.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
I mean, this is not an academic book, there's no way,
so I would be astonished if they didn't.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
If they had had any.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Sarah's what's a serru it better not be anything approaching handwriting.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
No, no, it's not all you'd think. You think, I'm
picturing a chalkboard with like chalk font the battle Woman's Journey.
But it's in a blue tone similar to the Juilliard
sweatshirt from earlier, which is like kind of modern, kind
of airy, kind of.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Like a periwinkle headed towards aqua.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, it's periwink millennial blue sort of yah, yeah, something
like that.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
What what millennial pink is? And by the way, you
know what's humiliating This idea of millennial pink. Okay, whatever, fine,
there is a vast discrepancy among the pinks that people
are calling it. Even if you look online, if you
start millennial pink, there's stuff from peach to freaking bubblegum.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
It's pathetic.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Sorry, I'm getting distracted. I have to look away. I
just saw I just saw a comment that said anti
vaccine otherwise great. Oh yeah, you know this bitch is
gonna be like this. This woman's gonna be like I
wouldn't do it for my better baby. But if you
want a less better baby, you could con that are
getting vaccinated as your doctor. And so there's a lot
of non better babies that might die because my better
(45:06):
baby were too scared of what this? Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Anyway, it's the ultimate my baby over your baby model.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
It's ultimate better baby model.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Book and your baby my baby will be better than
your baby baby. I mean, well, the classic things like
a parent that believes their baby is exceptional is all
you know is damaged, so.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Heartbreaking, get a grip. Oh my god, I mean I
can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
So the baby that's.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Taught to read, okay, before they even know what reading is,
then what's being robbed from them is the desire to.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Read completely, the natural curiosity that should arise. They're gonna
hate reading. It's really sinister.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Claw your way. I mean I remember when I was
pre reading.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
And why is your baby going to be better so
that it gets a job? Like literally, I'm sorry to drop.
What is the what is the logical? Yeah, it's like
obviously the capitalist thing of like, well, my baby's going
to invent an app.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
So you're robbing them the desire to read, and then
you're robbing them of this satisfaction of life on earth.
It's just clawing after desires.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Okay, okay, wow?
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
So for example, you know, I was no one gave
me the baby program, and I remember having books in
my room before I knew how to read, and.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
I thought, I wonder how you read?
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Okay, and maybe reading maybe sounding out words what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Maybe it's saying the letters really fast.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
So like if kat is C A T. So I'm
looking at a word, I'm going I know it's a
C and A and a T. I go et cet Again,
I'm like, perhaps that word's CETI what city is that
a word?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Actually figured it out on my own, and here we
go my fantasy of having you as my daughter.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Right, and then the presence of the fantasy of me
next to whatever your daughter would actually be, the secondary family,
your older brother so to speak, and shadow.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, a shadow, your id displaced Okay.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Wait, but robbing the baby of the desire right, And
similarly to the young prodigy, I mean, for all of it.
I love to claw, Okay, I love to claw my
way to the top.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
I'm a striver to the end. So are you. You're
a s driver.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
We all are.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
That's huge.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
It's okay to be hungry, yes, and it's okay to
be a fail you and to be a non prodigy
of course.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Thank you for listening.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
This was fun. It's a spirited conversation. I'm excited to
see if I win the Juilliard sweatshirt. I did bid
thirty dollars, so I assume it will be rejected cruelly.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Imagine if you and I drive it up to six
hundred by morning.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Oh love yeah, and love you the listener.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Love you listeners, keep posting. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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poog Today's topic.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Loslie speaking the fact that we both went to Juilliard.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey, I feel like I'm more of a listener today,
for the first time in my life. I usually can't listen.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Are you on adderall?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
No, you know me so well that you are assuming
I'm on adderall because I'm leaning back in my chair,
my knee is rocking back and forth, and I'm listening.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I don't know, because I know you have said in
the past that when on adderall, you steamroll.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
So I was just curious.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I guess I was just curious or what kind of
listening I was in for.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I actually haven't taken an adderall pill in months, not
out of trying to abstain, but just hasn't been in
my mood to be on cocaine.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Ive yourself into that.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I find that all stronger than cocaine. Actually, yeah, I've
never done cocaine. But I don't recommend it. I never
thought it would be good for me. Obviously, I would
love the high. I would love that. It's just you
can't do it anymore. Wait, it's like, are you out
of your mind? I mean you have to give it up?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
In one of the great cocaine x I really could
have been.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
It would have been good on you, sword I'd be.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So much farther than I am today.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I mean, politically, you just can't do it anymore. You know, people,
these people screaming about socialism at their parties and then
doing cocaine. It's just completely insane. So you cannot partake.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Not to reveal ignorance, But what exactly is the connection
you're suggesting politically between.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Well, what's the I love? In an effort for you
to not reveal your ignorance, you are now setting me
up to reveal my profound ignorance, which is that I
watched cartel Land once, basically, which if anyone wants to
dabble in cocaine, watch cartel Land and you'll see that
the you know, horrific violence that's an extric will be linked.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yes, and I see.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
The human toll. Yeah, it makes it hard to think
about like enjoying a bump. You know, while you're.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Sure on rhetoric here though, you know, to be clear,
rhetoric is the wind beneath our wings, right, Rhetoric is
all we have.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
All we have is kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
The thrust as our friend on earthly cadence over content.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Okay, and.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I think we you know, we dip back and forth
between the two, okay, but we must see. My mother,
for example, was raising questions about certain things I've said
on poog, you know, almost going well, it wasn't this,
it was actually this that sort of thing. Well, actually
last year I did put the presence.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Out earlier that oh blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And I've had to explain mother as someone who struggles
with being addicted to nuance at all costs, at the
cost of boring others.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
While I try to get.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It dead right, I have to at times aim for
some kind of statement that is a statement such as
my mother never blah blah blah, to communicate it.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
All, even if it's not factually accurate.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I mean, I'm not one of these don't let facts
get in the way of a good story people.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I do like for the facts to pull on.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
You Lli, we're gonna die one day. I'mbellish. I don't
care added detail. Tell me, like, who care?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Entertained it all costs?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Entertained it all costs. And of course I'm not endorsing
pathological lying. And I used to dip into some deep lying.
I was an absolute liar as a child, and they
were benevolent lies. But I but I would become pathologically
I would begin to believe them myself, like I'll just
say quickly, but they're so mundane in this devastating way.
I'm an only child, and I lied about having an
(03:41):
older brother. And I went to school and my friend Kimmy,
a dear friend of mine. This was in the seventh grade.
She came over to my house for a play date
and she said something about, oh, like, where's your brother?
And I was like, I don't have a brother, and
she was like, I forgot about the lie. And she
was like, you told me an older brother named Adam.
And I was like, so that was devastating.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Ask your parents about any failed pregnancies.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh wow, No, no, no, no, he's not he's not. But
there was an urge for an atom, There was an
urge for brethren, for protection for the idea of somebody
teaching me how to, you know, ride a bicycle perhaps,
And then I lied also about having a black Labrador
dog named Shadow. And then one time, and this is
a real memory, somebody came over to the house and
brought an adult, brought a toy for Shadow. The adult
(04:31):
had to know Shadow wasn't real, So this adult was
trying to somehow support my phantom dog, right, kind of
support the nerr was real?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Right, It wasn't like they showed up. There was no Shadow.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I just remember the dog. I remember the dog toy
and being like and then kind of being confused and
being like, see, Shadow is real. And I lied about
being Curly Sue, that that was me.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Let's take a minute with that, because this is a
six minute chuckle for me. Okay, you lied about being
Curly Suit, about having been Curly Sue, and I believe
made Curly Suit.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Now when did you?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Well, in my mind, I was like Curly Sue's age,
and I was like, well, that might as well be me.
So that's very what those for those who don't know,
Curly Sue was an early nineties film, perhaps even late
eighties that I haven't seen in ages. But the star
is you guessed it. She's got curly brown locks, much
like myself. I think it's Jim Belushi and Andy McDowell,
Is it not. I would look it up, but who cares.
(05:26):
And yeah, I just really believe that that was me.
And so I told some folks.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think that's one of your gifts.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Okay, Well, I think you are able to manifest realities.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay, through a slippery relation to the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Many writing it down, writing it down, yea, many of
us could benefit. Don't need to, it's a podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But yeah, well, like, let me give an example.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You had a quote somewhere on one of your materials
at some point right that said like something like your
David Lynch's favorite comedian, you're your bad.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
That's not true. I have to stop you. It's that
this is so funny. Dance Saint Jermaine a stand up
comedian back in New York or yeah, you know, pound
in the mind dance Saint Jermaine once said that my
stand up or something was like if David Lynch did
stand up, that's what you're thinking.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, no, no, indeed, I wanted to create a light.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And by the way, you told me because here's what
I'm saying. I don't think I ever seeing some version
of it somewhere. Okay, that may have been even like
you said it on stage as a joke or something.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It could be, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
But I thought I saw it somewhere specifically, like maybe
someone quoted misquoted, Okay, but I saw it because I
then reached out and said, is this quote from David
Lynch real? Like? Because I was like, oh, I was
racked with jealousy. Of course, can you imagine? So there
was like there was that and then oh no, and
then I'm forgetting another one.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Nurse Jackie.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Oh, that's right. I used to have fake credits because
I had no credits, so I'd have people be like,
you know, are from Nurse Jackie Kate Berlant, and it's
great because like people go, oh, and that was just
kind of fun. It's just fun.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
We you know comedians.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It was always Nurse Jackie. Credit was always shocking, right,
and it's perfect because everyone's like, because everyone else's credits
is like, he's got a Comedy Central what happen? And
so that was mine. I just want to say that
I wanted to spread a lie and I was even
considering really kind of starting to spread it. I was
going to spread a lie that I went to Juilliard
(07:19):
because I was like that, Actually, I think if you
if people thought I went to Juilliard for acting, I
would never say that.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I guess I was considering, like, what if just I
started telling people to kind of this is start slipping
that into conversation.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Then I did go to Juli, because I did go
to Juilliard.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Okay, see, I know you're lying.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Okay, I know, but here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You know, I was silent with the excitement, okay because
currently and I had to take it out for space,
and then I had to put it back in because
I missed it too bad.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Currently in my profile.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Okay, on Instagram, I don't say I went to Juilliard,
but I do have a quote that's meaningful to me
from says the last Dance again that I think is
both hilarious and whatever, which is do you want Juilliard?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Oh my god, I've never noticed that that your Instagram.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yes, okay, Dash saved the last Dance.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I assume it's there unless I made room to promote something, okay,
because yeah, it's not there right now. Fuck Okay, it
was there literally a week ago. Okay, and it's going
back in, it's going back in whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But yet everything about Juilliard, Juilliard is is the catnip
to my ego in a way that the devastation of
not having gone to Juilliard. I mean, you talk about
there being no language for exercise in the home growing up.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I feel like no one.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Raised the possibility of Juilliard generally to me, you know,
like I just truly thought it was something others found
their way to.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And I don't even know what I would have gone for.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
You know what I'm realizing. I'll just say that part
of my lying, my mother tells a story about how
she lied. My mom has a self consciousness of having
not gone to college. And she was at some part,
some dinner party, and the topic of Harvard came up,
and someone was like, who went to Harvard? Maybe it
was like it was some kind of like gala or
(09:07):
something or like there was like someone on the microphone
and people at tables, and my mom raised her hand
and just like to kind of gain the power of
like I went to Harvard, right, And people kind of
looked at her like oh you know. And then a
friend that knows her goes, you didn't go to Harvard
and she was like, she was like, I went for
two years.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I left. See that's the gift you have, that gift,
that lie, that secondary lie, the defense.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Lie.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I heard you in that so hardcore the I won't
have two years I left. That is like that's like
a U lie. You know what I mean, because it's
very it's very good, it's it makes sense. I don't know,
I just I hear you in that.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It's a wild No. I'm realizing, Oh, that's totally my
mother's influence, because how dare you tell me I didn't
go to Juilliard? Who the hell do you think you are?
And all that me going to Juilliard really means to
you is me saying I went to Juilliard.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Huge, and I think this is huge.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So I did go to Julliard. I did totally, No.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
As did I. That's why I was trying to claim
it earlier. I was trying to because I thought I
felt that it was very clear that there was a
benefit to doing this okay psychologically, and so I said, well,
you know, I did go to Julliard.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That was me dropping right into it.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, of course you shut me.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Down instantly, Can I understand? You know? But no, we
went to Juilliard.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Harvard, though, can be a curse where it becomes uh,
you have there. If someone has gone to Harvard, right,
that causes me to ask myself, do I think they like?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Do I think they are up to the snuff of
what I believe Harvard is? Okay? Okay, So so if
someone's gone to Harvard, that causes me to pose a
question of how smart do I think they are? Right?
Are they matching up to Harvard? Are they below? Are
they absolutely above? So, like I have a friend who
went to Harvard who I regularly.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Anytime she does something genius, I'm like, Harvard.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, going on Harvard, that she got over the top.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Okay, not that she got the genius there, of course, right,
but like that's the Harvard Okay, there there it is,
that's the essence in you, that was Harvard bound, that gave.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Him this car.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
And then there's other people who I find out go
to Harvard. I never forget it because I go They're
a fool and an asshole.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I do not see how they.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Slip inherited wealth I mean that's because at this point,
if you're going to Harvard, if you're still you know,
dining at the table, if the Ivy League, like it's
so antiquated, we've already now we know college is like
essentially useless in a Ponzi scheme, like unless you know, yes,
of course for the friendships and be exposed to new ideas,
but also do that in your apartment with your friends,
or like download a goddamn syllabus. Like it's it's just
(11:42):
you know, more and more and it's really great. The
college should be like knee capped rights and it's un
affordable and there's no protection in the knees. Is that
what you hit in the knees? Yeah, like like a
mob term.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
So the ease of which you said, yeah, it's got
to be knee capped.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It's like, wait, you think it was, like yeah, So
you know, college should be you know, revealed for what
it kind of truly is, or kind of the what
it allegedly promises has been revealed to be a lie.
You know, So we know that now, and so having
like wearing the Harvard sweatshirt in this world now is
(12:20):
so strange, Like I'm obviously not actually saying that it's
like wearing like a swasiaka, but there's something about it
that feels like there's something about because we also know
that that system is like deeply like racist and like
like so fucked up and corrupt, and so it's like
you're holding on with a white knuckle grip to these
symbols that have been kind of stripped of their power
(12:42):
and so but they still hold power so to like
if I were to walk around in a Yale sweatshirt,
but it does make me kind of scream with power
in a certain way.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
No, right, can you use the symbol?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I'm actually I'm gonna buy a Jilliard swetchert. I just
realized I'm actually racing. I'm absolutely racing because I think
if I start lying going to Juilliard and then someone
calls me on it, I'll just go I haven't actually decided.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
No no, no, no, no, no, but you I I I agree,
I okay. I flew forward with this, okay because in
my mind, so so someone goes, you know, I know
you didn't go to Juilliard, okay, and I scream, out
of course, you don't know shit about me first this day,
and I just in general sense, even to a good friend. Right,
I go, well, what does that mean to you? You
(13:31):
know what I'm saying, I I I investigate. There's more
about that round Juilliard.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
So it's it's like it's like or you know what,
you didn't go to Juilliard and I go, you did? Okay,
that's great, Okay, you know is it's actually I'm going
you did?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I did? We all did? Okay?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, you want to for me?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You know, the fantasy, the fantasy of Juilliard and I,
you know, is young prodigy. That's that's what it's about
for me, always yearn to be a young prodigy. Mean,
it's the sex, sex behind that, behind the uh Juilliard,
it's so nineties.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well also, it's what's that other dance.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Movie I'm looking up Juilliard sweatshirt?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Uh New York.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It's it's not a BT, but it's like a BT.
It's called something else. Oh it's the Ballerinas.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Sorry I'm scoffing at the contemporary Juilliard fawn, but continue,
sorry that I will be by.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
To see it. I want to see it.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
It's heinous. It's like it's like Hew Venica's uncle it's
a bad one. That's like, go for the classic, go
for the.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Like they're trying to modernize with a song serah kind
of like give me, give me s.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
The font doesn't have this, but the font is communicating
as if the sweatshirt said Juilliard period. Of course, like
that's like like that, which.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Is I get that?
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And Juilliard period to me is like is like it's
like Juilliard.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Need I say more? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, Like here, I'm gonna have to go to eBay
to buy good, asked Juliard. Yeah, here's a vintage that
is Juilliard sweatshirt, size XIL fifty dollars free shipping, but
it's exile.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I no, you don't wear excel. I love an excel.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I love a big one.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
So I'll expect a package delivered quite soon. I'm racing
because I'm afraid. I'm this is the race of eBay.
Are you going to catch it before I do?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Hold on? Oh, vintage shopping with a friend.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I'm watching it, Vin Pridge, I should hope.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So vintage Juilliard sweatshirt do you recall shopping with a friend.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Like What's Up with a Friend? As being a movie?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
This doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Oh you know what, Well, here's a big question. Did
you spill a Juilliard Right, I'm pretty sure I did.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I did, you know?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
But the I in the first part of the world, Honey,
I learned the hard way, but I know now. But yeah,
to be like the shame of a well rounded liberal
arts education, you know, like I was ashamed before I
went into it, and I was shamed after. But the
seduction of well roundedness.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Well, I just want to say, it's Julliard sweatshirt that's
in the font of like the Woodyown Manhattan movie. Like
that's how I recognize it, recognize it with like the
buildings as the letters. But something about that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's not it. That's like they were they were trying
to be cute.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
But it's ax L which I like a big sweatshirt.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But send it to me.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Okay, I'm buying it now by now.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Okay, send it to me. Can you just give me
what your search term was? Okay, because I'm going to
outbid you because I'm not cheap like.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You the offer.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I think you get the idea and I think you
have sense from the tone of my voice, it's time
to go to add.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Good news freaks. We're back in the podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
So I'm I am regularly seduced. Kit, have you put
in your order yet, because you're eyeing cast downwards? Give
me one second, as if not to the heavens hell
itself aka phone.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
What if you perceived everyone looking down at their phone?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Okay, you chose to like choose to perceive that not
as them looking down on their phone, but them staring
down at hell.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, it's finally interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Like across the table, like they're like their eyes they
can't cast away from.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
By the man they are looking. They are looking towards
hell because they're looking towards social media. And we got
to make a note. We have to do a social
media addiction episode.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Now it's one of your big concerns of life.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Well then it is. It's relevant here.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
But I do want to briefly talk about my Juilliard
led me to young prodigyism. Okay, seduces me. It has
time and again. Oh do I love a movie or
you know a show about a young genius? Okay, I
was not called a young genius, you know what I'm saying,
And that's why I yearned for it.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
That surprises people thought I was dumb because I said, like.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
A lot right misogyny.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, and and so I have a chip on my shoulder.
I have a classic chip on my shoulder where I go.
That guy he's talking like I could tell he thinks
I'm some kind of idiot. I mean, it's a literal
chip on the shoulder. You know, it's it's ugly. It's
ugly to Okay, are you still doing your order?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Because I'm seeing my hand's moving.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
My hands are up here, they're under my they're actually
under my I swear to god, there's not a device
in my hand.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I I'm sorry. I'm a little quiet here because I'm
actually thinking, like, wow, I've actually never longed to be
a child genius. I was treated as being like as
as we've covered on POOG, I couldn't do math. I
was exempt from math my senior year because I was
holding down the whole class.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
But I was also we've talked about it, but never
talked about it, and we're going to talk about it
today early education.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I want to say quickly the problem of being an
overly charming child, which I'm afraid I was. Of course
I was able to charm. I'm having this flashback my
math teacher to let me show home videos of myself
during class, and I just remember as a child that
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I was like, I mean, I say child, it was like,
you know, the eighth grade, ninth grade. Yeah, and I
and I I know I'm not fabricating this memory. I
have to reach out to a friend. I just remember
being like showing home videos of myself being funny when
I'm little, and the whole class loving it. And I
was like totally allowed.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Now, the memories of the whole class loving it might
be a fabric, which is hysterical.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Right, Well, there's also something about there's nothing more embarrassing,
and we all fall into this trap. It's particularly hard
when you see attractive hot actresses posting photos of themselves
as little children.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Right, Okay, I'm so I'm so excited right now.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, the posting of the picture of oneself in one's youth.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Which I have fallen prey to.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I have and as have I. Okay, profound narcissism, right.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Profud profound, calcified, calcified, terminal narcissism.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That is artifact of narcissism. It is narcissm.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
As was extreme because what's so ugly about it, okay
and so sad. It's a belief that one's current present
image is meaningful enough, Okay, meaningful enough and important to
people that they could only okay, be fascinated to see
the evolution and that which led to that which led
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to that which you.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Know and love currently. But like showing your let me
show work like.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
That what we got here, and it's well, this is
this is a big problem with documentary, okay, Okay. So
home videos are also similar to celebrity Okay, home videos
videos of you as a child, or videos of you
puttering around the kitchen whatever, Okay, any of that, any
of that even even sort of current day whatever, you
(20:48):
better be dying or you better be the former first Lady, Okay.
Because I've spent time thinking about when I'm watching documentary
footage of someone and deciding whether or not it is
deeply self indulgent, m you know, or whether it has meaning.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Have we not covered is this a poop thing? Or
just something I've screamed about because I hate in documentaries
when they show the subject that the old super eight
footage of the of the person puttering around the yard
with a hose as a baby, and I'm like, I
don't care, Like it's like we're here because they murdered
eighteen people. I don't want like, I'm not like, but
they were a baby once.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It's like, you know, we know about a criminal, for example,
I guess that's what I'm thinking, but even that, there's
inherent meaning in seeing a criminal as a baby.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Or like I don't need to see a photo of
Joe Biden as a four year old to be like
to think, I guess there is something And this is
why we continue to repost the baby photos because there
is something about looking at the photo of the baby
arrested in time and then knowledge then it became Joe
Biden or whatever. It's like it's like little did they know?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And it floods us with these images of the banal
everyday occurrences that happen to celebrities. It's like, I too aged,
Like that's what's so weird about it. It's like celebrity
being like they're just like us, is it?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Stars?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
They're just like, yeah, I too have aged, I too
was a child, and it's you know, we know, as
if they're acknowledging how they have achieved this level that's
so beyond the imagination because of their fame that to
see them as a child would would shock us, because
you need them to have always been, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Susp.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Transcended, to have transcended to that, and then you look
for it in the well the endless. You know, see
what the stars looked like in high school? I mean
a classic was like.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You know, you know, Nicole recognizable doesn't even work. Nicole Kimmen.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
She was considered awkward because she was a six foot
tall model, you know, that whole like thing, like the
kind of like they were nerdy and kept themselves whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But like looking at the yearbook.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Photo of the star, right, it's like you stare at
them and you try to see inevitability. Right, You try
to try to find inevitability for them, and then you
look at yourself and ask their inevitability of great in you.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Wait, two things, two things, okay, documentary, I need to explain. First, lady,
don't let me forget sorry, I interrupted you classically, Okay, classically,
I love and support introduction. I mean interruption as the
means of Jewish conversational style.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I know, but to others not raised with that style,
it appears as harm.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It is rappoort establishment to interrupt and to disagree, to
point out.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
In consistencies, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
These are ways of showing engagement, you know, and we
do it freely here and the joy that's evidenced. I mean,
maybe people think we're extremely evolved from not being offended
by you know.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I've tried to take that approach to my personal life,
and I see that it does read as harm. It
does read as not listening and narcissism as much as I.
But there are you, John, there are some people that
I can engage in that kind of conversation will flow
with anyway. Contin you so.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Wait, But to return to the narcissism issue, Okay, the
photos of oneself, the footage. So I'll be watching something
and deciding whether it's self indulgent. And so for me,
I've watched documentaries where someone is dying, okay, or of course,
I mean, here's here's an even simpler example. Someone is dead,
right then footage of their life is now contect footage
(24:14):
of their life now has meaning right them puttering around
the kitchen okay, says something to us about the nature
of existence.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Again, former first Lady.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Okay, I say, because it's sort of a people that
we hold as bigger than life. Right, for whatever reason,
it does fascinate us and seems reasonable.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Okay, I guess that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I guess I'm saying the baby pick of the celebrity
I support because it does interest me, right for that reason? Right,
the important person these things? But when you but the
other thing is Joe Biden? How could he have been
a baby? I was a baby on now I can
vote for him because he chooses a baby, But what
that reminds me of? Okay, and this is a and
(24:54):
this may have to get cut if it doesn't come
out right, okay, if it sours into harm.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Into listener.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Okayized it falls out of my mouth. Okay, but this
is one of my notions. Okay, Okay, are you ready?
Why are we so obsessed or addicted? Or why do
we take such pleasure? And before and after photos?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Okay? Okay, this is huge? Okay, you ready? Are you ready?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
So let's just take and this is the ugly example.
And I may do a different example after whatever, but wait, okay,
of course, and my favorite before and after you know,
they would do different iterations of this, and the Biggest
Loser show that I you know, adored, the classic was
because I always think of this as the the experience
(25:41):
the Volva undergoes with the curtain of the hymen, okay,
which is they used to do the thing where they
would have a poster, a full full sized poster of
the person before going on the show, and then the
finale that so they have that out there and then
they entered the stage by bursting through the photo.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Of course on the other side.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, okay, that was great.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
They also did every Daytime talk show with their previous
weight on okay, like a like a fat suit of
their previous weight. They made them like whoa whatever, Okay,
So I'm I love nothing more than to look at
it before and after photo. You know, of almost anything,
but let's sap whatever an advertisement for weight loss product, okay, wrinkles,
whatever the fuck it is, but let's just take weight. Look,
(26:22):
let's let's go to weight. It's not you're looking at
before and after picture. Something in you, your brain is
lighting up, okay, something in you is excited and enjoys it.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And once another let me swipe through.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I'm always disappointed when there aren't many before and after you,
I want as many as I can, right, And there's
an experience of delight, excitement and wonder.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Now let's say it's look, after a year of exercise
and diet, I lost one hundred pounds. See the picture
on the left, see the picture on the right. The
wonder and this is what's ugly. The wonder, the disbelief,
the excitement is not the fact that they lost the weight, okay,
or the fact that this diet and exercise cause them
(27:04):
to lose the weight. The wonder, as your eyes pass
back and forth between left and right, is how can
those be the same person? I was gonna say, can
those be the same soul? How is it possible that
that go getter is the same as that lazy slam?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay? Okay? And that's that's the the utter darkness.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I believe that something on that you are judging, You
are inability to separate the soul from the body.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Is why there's wonder And you stare and you go,
that's the same person, the same person, the same soul,
same soul, same soul, And you become deeply aware of
your own prejudices around these these things.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's also just the need to like want to look
at ugly photos of other people.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Well, Chris always like everyone watches American Idol see like
the bad you know, look at this poor little are
things they can sing, And I was like, I don't
watch it for that reason. I watch it because I
love to see like he who didn't, you know, think
he could ever make it, make it?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, the bodies are I'm a little distracted because I'm
still in that body. The soul. We've talked about that
and that's what was it Plato Sorry, you know I
had this. It was it was like, oh, the beautiful
soul creates the beautiful person.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Right, right, and it's just not fair, right right, But it's.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Like it is so hard we cannot There used to
be this like the Platonic idea that, like the physical
person is actually a representation of the inner world.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Do you mean the old school idea that like, if
you had warts, it was because your soul what.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Like you much like, yeah, you mean the ugly.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
By the way, we still talk about wellness, talk about poog.
There still is this obsession with the vessel as an
expression of the interior world. So if you are having pimples,
if you are having bloading, if you are having these things,
there is first of all, something wrong right, and that
it's an indication of some moral failing. While you've been
(29:04):
gorging yourself on dairy and wine, you hog right, or
you're stressed, or you're not in the right career. If
you were in the right career, it would express itself
on your skin.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Remember when Carrie Bradshaw didn't want to get married and
that's why she broke it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
It dress, Okay, I think.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
It should be a right. I think everyone should have
someone rip a wedding dress off their back at some point.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, you always want to get married in a blood
drenched wedding dress or something.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You imagine. I think that might be. I was it's
so che to get married in black?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well maybe it was. Yeah, it was in part that
like that you wouldn't wear a white dress symbolizing rhinity.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I mean I would No, I don't think I could
ever wear a maybe not like a white or like
I don't think I could do it. But then being
too alternative, being like war red, you know, or something,
it's like you're screwed either way. I know we've talked
about this in the past. It's like it's it's it's
a it's the invented choice. It's the this optic of like,
(30:11):
there is a choice. It's like no, you're damns, like
you either have to adhere completely to the tradition and
any deviation from that is like, there's no, it's it's
the false choice. It's the forced false choice. Either way
you're inscribed in that system. You're not going to escape
exactly the horrifying institution. Just because you wore red.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
By rejecting it. You pronounce it by by rejecting it.
You you acknowledge it, right, so so you know and
in your attempt to heels are present, the idea of
heels is more present, not on a woman wearing heels.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But flat on a woman wearing converse under the wedding dress.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
That's so brilliant. Flats flats, Oh, you're right, yeah, and
tempt to escape present and and like and big right,
it's filling the room because it's an idea or flat, Yeah,
the shoe.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
The flat takes up more psychological space.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Right, twenty four square inches of space in the rooms
are filling the minds.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Of all.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
That's amazing, gently leading you out, lifting you out, and
dunking you into the ads for a fresh swim.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
How'd you like those ads?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
We're back so young genius or something about And again
we're not really talking generally in this episode about this,
but I'm haunted by the presence of a certain book
that I think anyone listening who might be pregnant or
in the process of becoming pregnant might hear about, called
the Better Baby Book. Yes, and I'm not kidding you,
And it's a very it's like a very luted current book,
(31:52):
and it's all about like, sure, you could have a
good baby, but what about having a better baby? No,
I want to like a shot, Yes, yes, And it's
all about also this putting all the pressure on the woman.
If you if you're not eating this amount of zucchini
and this amount of flaxy whatever, your shitty baby isn't
(32:14):
gonna go to juilliards or whatever, or like, by the way,
as though some kind of perfect pregnancy in which you're
eating to anything this smoothie and those nutrients, as if
that's not going to lead to a fucking asshole kid
who maybe does horrible harm or is just quite frankly
not too bright, which is the horrifying reality of reproduction, right,
(32:36):
is that sometimes you just have a kid. It doesn't
mean you don't love them, but they grow into a
massive disappointment. And that's the reality that people can't contend
within romantic relationships with child. With children. It's like you
have to recognize that these bonds are still powerful and
psychedelically intense at times. But it doesn't mean you don't
(33:00):
look at the person, the child, the person that you
love and go oh god, like that's that's okay, right,
And it's this this idea of like the of the child,
and that's when we get into kind of narcissism or right.
The idea of the child is a projection of the parents.
The idea of the partner is a projection of you.
Or it's like, again this is all kind of half
(33:20):
big thinking here. But even if you have so the
Better Baby book and again I almost know I know
almost nothing about it, but this idea of of engineering
this better baby than the babies that have come before.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
You know, like the classic like I don't know, Twilight
Zone whatever, like you know, they're in the guys in Heaven.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
It's it's it's great, it's.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Great, it's great, then it's boring and it's oh wait,
actually it's hell. Right, And this is the you know,
you know, doesn't anything ever change around here or whatever?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Like you know, like and and.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
We talked about this last week with wellness, about yearning
for rapture et cetera, et cetera. Over you know that
the placid wellness image sounds.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Like hell, like the house is clean.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Well, I've had Okay, the perfect baby, you know, whatever
the hell that means, is closer to hell than the
imperfect baby, because the imperfect baby has at least something
tangible to work on in our tangible world. Okay, right,
the baby who has transcended all of the human failings,
ready to assend birth?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
What hell? What true hell?
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Like no, absolutely and like the oh and deals remind
me about okay, So like deals, deal hunting okay, hunting
for deals, et cetera. Chasing deals okay, okay is something
you know, I enjoy okay, and I enjoy a hunting
deals and and I've had moments where that which you
seek is given okay, and you experience.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
A profound meaninglessness. Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
So, so, for example, you finally find a store. Let's
just say where everything that you've wanted is there and
it's cheap. Okay, let's just say it's a vintage store
out in the middle of nowhere where they don't know
what the what it's worth or whatever. Okay, and everything
you want is there and it's affordable.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Okay, it is. It is. It is like.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Pushing up against the door, banging on a door, banging
on a door, banging on a door, and someone opens
the door and you tumble down. You fall down right
into it because you've been pushing against it for so long.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
And now what right this this image comes up from
me a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
But but the perfect baby, I mean, good luck. First,
what does it even look like you're kicking the You're
kicking the problem further down the line, okay, because because
all you're doing is moving the goalpost. Okay, because here's
here's the thing. So, so you're angry that you're not
a polyuh linguist. Okay, You're angry that you know all
(35:49):
these things that you were robbed of, right, and then
you you create your perfect nutrient baby or whatever right
out of you know, feeding it the right nutrients, so
you have the vessel that's ready to receive, and then
you start pumping it full knowledge. You teach it all
the languages, okay, and you get you give that baby
everything you wish you had in you by you know,
by five five years old, right, and so you think
(36:11):
you've done it, but not the baby still rude is
here with wants.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
So now what does the baby have?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
The baby speaks five languages and feels alienated from its
one language, Piers exactly, okay, and now it's life becomes
about alienation. You're just kicking suffering, the suffering down the line,
and it's all.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, it's all this this very human need to avoid
pain and suffering. But it's like, good luck, you can
be that. And again not taking into account the way
this like exceptionalism is like damaging or something. But just
like it doesn't matter. You're still that baby. Still might
not be funny, probably won't be well.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
The baby itself though, even the baby itself.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
The nurturing is the violence, right, So.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
As someone who is over nurtured, I can tell the
parent presses as the parent presses nutrients into the baby.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Okay, let's just as a visual press, push push push, Okay,
the baby looks up.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And sees the maniacal.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Mania.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
So you have just displaced lack of nutrient, you know,
or or bad nutrition. You've displaced it with the pushing
of your desire perfect child. And I'll take the possibly
the oxidants or whatever, I'll take the bad I'll take
the bad nutrients.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Also therefore potentially erasing who that person might actually be.
Or it's like what you're actually doing by those like
the oh, my baby listens to Beethoven and we're teaching
it four languages, you're potentially erasing a much better person
through this like rigorous application of these skills. And I
just want to say that there used to be an
(37:45):
infomationar called my baby Can Read? Did you ever see
these on the on the on the television, There was
a commercial that used to haunt me, and it was
called my baby or your baby can Read? And there
were these commercials and there were straight up babies and
hytros being like in their baby for reading and being like,
you know, the cat jumped over the fucking dog or whatever,
(38:05):
and everyone's freaking out and they have these huge flashed cards.
I have to look it up.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
An audience full of people are clapping and applauded, and it's.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Like, so the baby learns to read, right, and then
what al so what even is that? I mean, don't
even get me started on parrots and like it's like
what is language? Like how does it all? I don't know.
Well I don't even know how to get into that.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Oh but like, well a parent your baby, I mean,
what's the meaning?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
We never want to talk about it. How parrot's talking
is something that I'll never get over. And it's just
like I saw a parrot recently that was like, hey,
how are you? And it was just like what, like
I'll never not be stunned by the parent talking. And
I don't understand how we're supposed to just.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Gory parents talk.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
What No, No, I'd like a full episode of that,
but I will. I will give one joke that I
heard from a taxi driver that I thought was very funny. Okay,
because he dropped me off at the comedy club. You know,
he had a joke okay, and it's related to a parrot.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I've probably told this to you before, So one time
I've heard a street joke and enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
All right, you ready, It's as simple as this. A
guy walks by, maya a pet shop. There's a parrot
in the window. Sorry, it's a woman. It's a woman
who walks by.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
And it's essential because you'll see the gendered issues of goodness,
and the.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Stakes are higher.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
With a woman, of course, walks by. Parents, you're ugly, okay.
The woman's horrified. Okay. She's walking to work.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
The next day, walks past the pet shop. This new parrot, okay,
goes you're ugly. Okay, she goes, this is unacceptable. It
goes into the pet shop. Okay, so you got to
do something about this. Is his parents calling me ugly,
it's it's horrible. Okay, Okay, it leaves whatever they go Okay, okay,
all right.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I'll talk.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
I'll talk to him then, okay, elaborating her just slightly, okay.
But but anyway, third day walks by, looks at the parrot, okay,
and the parrot looks at her and says, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Oh, brutal.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
It's funny, right. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
And it's very profound.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I think so too, because because ultimately it's right. It's
it's the problem is in is in the woman, right,
The problem is not in the parrot, right, the parrot
has has affirmed.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I mean, it's the woman's fears the problem.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
The woman walking into the store to have the parrot,
you know, corrected, right, reveals a profound insecurity, so that
you know, doesn't even just mean you know, you know
what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Okay, it's profound. It's profound.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
It's one of the street jobs.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
As they say, I love language parrots. You have, oh right, right,
babies who can read?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I'm really looking up the Better Baby Book just because
I just I can't imagine if being pregnant that the
pressure of that to like construct this perfect person.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
It's just like that's got to be absolutely abandoned.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Here's what it's actually called, The Better Baby Book, How
to have a healthier, smarter, happier baby.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
You're right, good luck.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
The very moment you bought that book is the moment
it was over, and it's like, oh, it's like moment
that books on you.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
And it's the cover is just like white, Okay, this
is this is it a white oh you know this
white woman with and this is the ultimate this is
the ultimate white fantasy, brown hair, blue eyes. Wait okay,
wait that is that is the white.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Fantasy, because let me try to get.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Because the mystique of a white woman, she I just
that thing of the brown hair, blue woman.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I want to take this in.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Okay, so this is a white you're talking about white
fantasy of a white woman with brown hair and blue.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Eyes and blue eyes something about that.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah, well yes, because here's what this was my first
guests reading on to you. Okay, what assuming this was
an original of yours? Okay, is is it? You get
the intellectualism of a brunette.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Okay, you're not.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Sullied, you're not sullied by blonde blondness. Okay, you get
and you get the blue, the exotic and the beauty
of a of a rare blue eye exactly held in
the promise. Hell, you know it's a jewel inside of
a book.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yes, correct, correct, because I feel.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Like the blue eye on the blonde gets kind of
swallowed by the blonde identity.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, no, you're exactly right. And so this
woman on the on the cover posed in this really
bizarre thing. She's smiling with this like garish kind of
like slutty, like oh no, fucked, and like she has
this bowl and by the way, it's weird. Presumably she's
drinking broth, because there's there's a spoon in the air
(42:31):
with nothing on it, and she's cupping a white bull,
So this like emptiness.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
I mean, there's way she's holding a empty spoon above
a bowl of s.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
She's spooning something into her mouth, presumably, but the spoon
is empty, visibly empty, which is obviously visu sign of
things to come.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Me on the way down.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
You're a genius. The spoon could be on the way down.
It could be on the way down, but I just
have but no.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Nonetheless, the way you read it is the way is
half of how people will read it.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
By the way, this woman looks fourteen, Like how like
hot women are supposed to still look like babies, right,
So she almost looks like a little baby. So it's
like a pregnant baby being like, I can.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Help you eating something you don't have to chew, you
know what I'm saying, Like she's spoon feeding herself.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
It's like baby food. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Sorry, I'm just gonna go quick because I'm looking at
the table of contents.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Give me more.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
You are a co creator the better baby plan ew
and then such things as you know what Nazi eat terrifying.
But I'm also can't wait to see.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
What if you and me did the better baby book
while we were birthing, you know, creative projects like real sinos. Yeah,
I'm gonna be sick and twisted. Wait, oh wait, what's.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
The font like of the cover?
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah, because I have a theory I want to you
you said earlier the font said Julliard period.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I'm by the way, I'm not kidding. It's similar to the.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
I mean, this is not an academic book, there's no way,
so I would be astonished if they didn't.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
If they had had any.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Sarah's what's a serru it better not be anything approaching handwriting.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
No, no, it's not all you'd think. You think, I'm
picturing a chalkboard with like chalk font the battle Woman's Journey.
But it's in a blue tone similar to the Juilliard
sweatshirt from earlier, which is like kind of modern, kind
of airy, kind of.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Like a periwinkle headed towards aqua.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, it's periwink millennial blue sort of yah, yeah, something
like that.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
What what millennial pink is? And by the way, you
know what's humiliating This idea of millennial pink. Okay, whatever, fine,
there is a vast discrepancy among the pinks that people
are calling it. Even if you look online, if you
start millennial pink, there's stuff from peach to freaking bubblegum.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
It's pathetic.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Sorry, I'm getting distracted. I have to look away. I
just saw I just saw a comment that said anti
vaccine otherwise great. Oh yeah, you know this bitch is
gonna be like this. This woman's gonna be like I
wouldn't do it for my better baby. But if you
want a less better baby, you could con that are
getting vaccinated as your doctor. And so there's a lot
of non better babies that might die because my better
(45:06):
baby were too scared of what this? Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Anyway, it's the ultimate my baby over your baby model.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
It's ultimate better baby model.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Book and your baby my baby will be better than
your baby baby. I mean, well, the classic things like
a parent that believes their baby is exceptional is all
you know is damaged, so.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Heartbreaking, get a grip. Oh my god, I mean I
can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
So the baby that's.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Taught to read, okay, before they even know what reading is,
then what's being robbed from them is the desire to.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Read completely, the natural curiosity that should arise. They're gonna
hate reading. It's really sinister.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Claw your way. I mean I remember when I was
pre reading.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
And why is your baby going to be better so
that it gets a job? Like literally, I'm sorry to drop.
What is the what is the logical? Yeah, it's like
obviously the capitalist thing of like, well, my baby's going
to invent an app.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
So you're robbing them the desire to read, and then
you're robbing them of this satisfaction of life on earth.
It's just clawing after desires.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Okay, okay, wow?
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
So for example, you know, I was no one gave
me the baby program, and I remember having books in
my room before I knew how to read, and.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
I thought, I wonder how you read?
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Okay, and maybe reading maybe sounding out words what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Maybe it's saying the letters really fast.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
So like if kat is C A T. So I'm
looking at a word, I'm going I know it's a
C and A and a T. I go et cet Again,
I'm like, perhaps that word's CETI what city is that
a word?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Actually figured it out on my own, and here we
go my fantasy of having you as my daughter.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Right, and then the presence of the fantasy of me
next to whatever your daughter would actually be, the secondary family,
your older brother so to speak, and shadow.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, a shadow, your id displaced Okay.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Wait, but robbing the baby of the desire right, And
similarly to the young prodigy, I mean, for all of it.
I love to claw, Okay, I love to claw my
way to the top.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
I'm a striver to the end. So are you. You're
a s driver.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
We all are.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
That's huge.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
It's okay to be hungry, yes, and it's okay to
be a fail you and to be a non prodigy
of course.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Thank you for listening.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
This was fun. It's a spirited conversation. I'm excited to
see if I win the Juilliard sweatshirt. I did bid
thirty dollars, so I assume it will be rejected cruelly.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Imagine if you and I drive it up to six
hundred by morning.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Oh love yeah, and love you the listener.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Love you listeners, keep posting. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
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