Screen Time: Rebecca (1940)

Over the past couple weeks, we’ve been talking about the novel Rebecca by Daphne du Maurier—it’s a story about murder, obsession, and finding out the person closest to you harbors an awful secret. Honestly, it already sounds like a Hitchcock movie. And so sure enough, we’re taking in some Screen Time this week with Alfred Hitchcock’s 1940 film adaptation to talk about the charm of the Transatlantic accent, and how the Master of Suspense diverged from the book.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Over the past couple of weeks, we have been talking
about the novel Rebecca by Daphne Dumourier. It's a story
about murder, obsession and finding out the person closest to
you Harbor's and awful secret. Honestly, it already sounds like
a Hitchcock movie, and so sure enough we're taking in
some screen time this week with Alfred Hitchcock's film adaptation

(00:27):
to talk about the charm of the Transatlantic accent and
how the Master of Suspense diverged from the book when
he like asked her to marry him. In the book,
even though what he's saying is like really condescending and mean,
I like infused it with a softness and like an
ironic romantic nous. Where in the this movie he like
is like shouting at her while he's getting in the

(00:47):
shower and like asking me while he's in the other room. Yeah,
he's rushing his teeth and he says, I'm asking you
to marry an you idiot. Okay. Welcome back to Popcorn
Book Club. I'm Danish schwar joined as always by Jennifer Wright,
Coaramadanqua Tantran and Melissa Hunter, and this week we are
on screen time. That doesn't really roll off the tongue,

(01:08):
but I'm committed to it. Uh, we're screen timing. I
can't turn back. I'll have to figure out what the
verb form of that is. We are doing end screen
time about the nineties and forties Alfred Hitchcock adaptation of
Rebecca in anticipation of the new Netflix adaptation, so we
can be the intelligent people going into the Netflix adaptation

(01:31):
comparing it both to the film and the Hitchcock version.
I don't want to say you're unintelligent. If you didn't
watch the other movie and also read the book, I
think that you just don't have time for that. Yes,
there were dinner parties. Right now, we would be the
very obnoxious person. It's like, well, did you read the
book and also did you watch the nine film. I
would only have a dinner party that everyone did that.

(01:55):
I'm sorry. If you didn't, you would not be invited to.
You have to do a quiz to get him. You
have a freshman year reading comprehension quiz swirling wine. Jennifer,
you were the one who sort of was a proponent
of this book to begin with. Have you seen the
original movie? I had seen me retinal movie. I had

(02:15):
not seen it for many, many years, so I had
forgotten that the movie diverges from the book in one
very important regard, which is he does not shoot Rebecca
in the movie. He pushes her and she like slits
and dies. She hit her head very much not the

(02:35):
same as shooting someone. It's like the Staircase documentary. Yeah,
I think I read on Wikipedia, so who knows the
sources that that was like a Hollywood produmption standard code thing,
one of those things where it's like, well, he can't
have shot his wife and gotten away with it, so
he must have just covered up her accidental death and
gotten way. That doesn't happen, especially not in the forties. Um,

(03:01):
I think you lose a lot of the impact of
the second missis de Winter's loyalty. Though if she doesn't
stand with him when he is clearly committed cold blooded murder,
it sort of makes it more of a love story
if you can sort of get on board with this,
like he was wrongfully. It's still bad what he did,

(03:22):
but the movie tries to make it see much more
like gone Girl, Like it was still bad, but yeah,
he didn't murder her In cold blood when thinking she
was fucking pregnant. Like, that's a little bit different and
it all. Yeah, and like Jennifer said, it also changes
the color of the way the unnamed woman or second

(03:44):
Missus de Winter stands by her man, you know, like
doing it in that way is a bit more understandable
and understandable for me. Seeing it on screen made me
hate Maxim a lot more. Yeah, I found him weird,
even though even though in the book he committed a murder.
Just like, fundamentally, I found him more likable in this

(04:06):
book then in the show. In the movie where he's
played by Laurence, Yeah, that's wild. I had never seen
Laurence Olivier out of black face before, so this is
an experience for me. I'm joking. Obviously I have, but
I just wanted to get that in there. I think
my impression is I found him very unlikable because he's

(04:26):
very mean and very snappy, and he sounds even snappier
in a Transatlantic accent. He's like you that, what are
you doing? Get over here? I thought he was perfect,
Like from the book, I'm like, Maxim is a total
asshole and speaks condescendingly and patronizing lee to the second
Mrs de Winter, And when I saw how he was
playing it Laurence Olivia, I was like, Okay, this is

(04:50):
exactly how I pictured him. And he's even like more,
he's not deady murdered baby anymore, not murder, he's not
murder daddy's any um. But I actually I really liked
the way he played it. So I'm like looking forward
to seeing how you know, Armie Hammer does because I

(05:13):
just don't think I can Can Army do a British accent?
Do we think? I mean, I could think he's he's
a dedicated actor. He's going to do the work to
do the best British accent that he is capable of doing.
I think we also overestimate like British actors are Americans

(05:33):
constantly and then it's like an American doing a British accent.
How But yeah, he's so charming that and warm he
is such a warmth to him as an actor, and
that I feel like it'll be interesting. I agree, but
I agreed to and I feel like we're talking about
this in the book episode that you know it is

(05:55):
really interesting that like that it isn't a love story
it's like the this young woman who is just like
believes that she's in love, but it's against this very
cold figure. And I liked seeing that cold figure personified
because you're reminded it's so easy to like put a
character onto maxim or like a personality or like a

(06:17):
someone you fell in love with when you're young that
was wrong, and I feel like seeing it, it's like, oh, no, girl, run. Yeah.
Like I think when he like asked her to marry
him in the book, I imagined it with like even
though what he's saying is like really condescending and mean,
I like infused it with a softness and like an
ironic romantic nous. Where in the this movie, he like

(06:39):
is like shouting at her while he's getting in the
shower and like asks her to marry while he's in
the other room. Yeah, he's brushing his teeth and he says,
I'm asking you to marry an you idiot. And I
love how she just collapsed, like it's like, oh, the
most romantic thing. I was very much into the denotation.
I was like, these are the words he's saying, And

(07:01):
I think for me, it's easier to look at it
in a negative light and be like, no, this is
bad in the writing um in the movie, obviously, it
was also very objectively bad that I expected it to
be that, because that's how I read it on the page.
I was like, nobody should talk to somebody that they
love this way. Although he never said that he loved her,

(07:22):
He was just like, do you want to come here?
You want to go there? And yet in the trailer
for the Army Hammer one that line which is in
the trailer, he's like lifting up her chin and gazing
in her eyes. And here's what I hope happens in
the movie. And this is just me being like, this
is what I would do with it? Is it could

(07:44):
be a real analog for for like an abusive relationship
where at the beginning is love bombing and it is
him saying I love you, I love you and being
perfect and asking her to marry him very suddenly, Like
that is all like really love bomby behavior from an abuser,
And so I feel like that would be really interesting

(08:05):
if it's all perfect on the trip and then when
they get back he's this cold asshole who yells at
her from the bathroom. That would be the vision, Like, yeah,
I would I would be interested in seeing that version
because that feels like the modern reason why you would

(08:27):
do it to be like that. Mm hmm. I would
be very interested in seeing how they frame the new movie,
because I found the framing of this nineties one versus
the book really interesting. We didn't get those first two
chapters that I hated. We didn't get those at all,
um which I actually was like, man, Jen was right.
I kind of wish that I had that scene of seeing,

(08:49):
like what happens after Mandalai's burned down, so j just
like board and trapped in the media, just trapped in
mediocre hotel for the rest of your lives. I wanted
to see that at the end, though not at the beginning.
I still wanted that, but I wanted to see, Oh yeah,
they're not happy and Mrs dampers fucking one. But Karama,

(09:13):
what if in the modern one, she's very unhappy and
she it's a freeze frame and then it's a narrator,
the narrator sing you're probably wondering how I got into
the situation, and it cuts back with you like that
that Melissa, that's that is screenwriter record scratching around. I
think everything should star that way. Yeah, the other you

(09:37):
see Rose on the door and she's like, you're probably wondering, okay,
but actually and ironically, yes, I would actually love that.
I would love to see Kate Winslett narrating the whole
movie with the Titanic has only just sunk, so she's
just she's only backtracking from like the last several days.

(09:59):
While flow on the door, she's going insane, like from
from being frozen in the water so cold, trying to
figure out how this happened. The thing that concerns me
about the new one that I liked about the nineties
forties one is the age difference. Like Laurence Olivier looked

(10:22):
much older than Joan Fonte, who like looked like a
little wisp of a of a girl. She was very good. Yeah,
she's really good at it. I mean. One of the
things that worries me about the new ones is Lily
James is so beautiful and she's five. They're both like five,

(10:42):
they're the same age, and they're both in their mid thirties. Yea,
Joe Fontaine at least seems like she is genuinely very
insecure when she wears that dress that is just it
looks really good in the picture in the magazine, but
it does not look good on her, like human being. Um,
it just feels like such a sweet, relatable moment, like

(11:04):
you feel like, oh that poor Ladys would look good
in a potato set, Like yeah, and then being the
same age just disrupts, like one of the power differentials
among which was I feel much more noticeable, like I
was getting big Leonardo DiCaprio vibes when she was like,

(11:24):
I wish I was thirty six, dressed in black satin
and wearing a string of pearls, and he was like
if I don't want I don't want that. He's like,
don't ever grow up young, forever push you down the stairs. Yeah.
I like that. That is like Hollywood's version of a

(11:45):
less tragic version of how the First Wife dies. It's like, yeah,
he pushed her, so that's better, right. He blacked out
raged and then she he woke up and she was dead.
She's still siling, you know, I mean, just black out
sometimes in rage and then someone across from you is dead.

(12:08):
You can't imagine. Yeah. I love the classic mean girl
move that that Beatrice does when she's like I'm paraphrasing,
but she says something like, I just love how you
don't care how you look. He's great, just like I
don't care how you look, it's great. I think she

(12:28):
specifically said, I can tell by the way that you
dressed that you don't care quit about what you wear.
Good in Atlantic, Kama, Yeah, that was good. This is
like the thing that I do for fun when I'm
alone in my room. So I'm glad the whole world
knows this now, Like I just love doing like mid
Atlantic accents for fun. And one of my favorite things

(12:48):
in the last season of BoJack Horsemen was Paget Brewster
playing that pig that worked for the news and just
was like always like oh and then this, and then
we're gonna go here and we're gonna do that all
of that. That's how great would it be if Army
and Lily did mid Atlantic for this movie, just like

(13:08):
without any like full commitment, that would be Harris shows up.
It would be kind of dream of Katherine. Harris showed
us Mrs Danvers, Mrs dan Verse, and the actor who
played Mrs Danverse. She was amazing. She was Judith Anderson,

(13:33):
Francis Margaret Anderson. I still I love the vibe. She
didn't seem old, but she did sort of have that
vibe of like in old times when you're now at
your job, you're like sixteen, you're like, this is your job.
You're now an old house mistress. That's her job forever.
Like I think people just aged differently. And Jen, I

(13:55):
think you were. I think you were the one that
said that, like the lesbian vibes of movie get like
really pumped up, get really pumped up in the book,
and I was like excited for that. And it's that
moment where she like makes the second Mrs de Winter
look through the silk closet, yeah fingers, yeah, you know,

(14:19):
the whole like room in the West Wing scene, I
literally wrote, I think I wrote Mrs Danver's for coat
gayest ships a moment where she holds the fur coat
up to her up to her face and rubs it
on her cheek, and I was like, whoa, oh, yeah,

(14:40):
there's no question had sex many times. Yeah yeah, yeah,
that room was crazy nice though. West wing, yeah beautiful,
way better than the East Wing room objectively, and better
than the West Wing of the White House. Yeah. Yeah,

(15:00):
Like structurally, this is a great time for us to
take a break. I think we should take a break
right here. So we're back with Popcorn Book Club for
My Heart Radio. I do wonder if having this version

(15:27):
for he just accidentally blacks out a number. Beca's dad
takes away some of Mrs Danfrew's victory at the end.
Like in the book, it really does feel like a
victory of you killed this woman who was my daughter,
slash lover. Now I will burn your house to the ground. Um.
It feels a little more incomprehensible to me in the

(15:49):
movie because they've just gotten through a big trial. Everybody's
established well, nice, sweasy innocent, and it doesn't feel as
it does to me in the book, like this a
white man got away with murdering his wife, but Mrs
Danverse handled that and she enacted justice. Because the movie
sort of hedges it and makes you believe that he

(16:11):
kind of didn't kill his wife. Yeah. Yeah, Because I
was watching and remember reading the book, I was like, oh,
he killed his wife, Like very early as I was
watching the movie, I was like, it's interesting, how I
don't get that same vibe here. And then we got
to the editor was like, oh, that's why. Because They
literally don't want you to think he killed his wife.
They just they're like, Nope, he didn't do it. He okay,

(16:33):
I looked it up. Mrs Danvers at the time was
played by Judith Anderson at age forty two at the
time of shooting, so definitely more of a lover than
a mom vibe one. I don't know. I did read
that like David O. Selznick. It was so it was

(16:54):
the first American movie that Hitchcock made, and um, and
that he's like the first three of Hitgecock's movies were
under David O. Selznick and they're kind of like known
to be his weakest films and and it's because they
fought a lot. And and one of the things that

(17:15):
David O. Selznick wanted was at the end for the
smoke to spell an R in the in the s
and he was like, no, that's too that's too much
by burning are the like linen or whatever. That's like
the last American audiences are dumb. You got sell American audience.

(17:39):
I'm here for it. Yes, yeah, I would have liked
that spooky are I would have been I like, I
like the Mitchell and Webb sketch who are British comedians
where they have a fake Sealsnick and he's like, Hitchcock
came to me with this book called Rebecca and I said, great,
who do you want as Rebecca? And then they explained it.
He's like I told him, if in America, if you

(18:00):
have a movie called Rebecca, audiences are gonna want to
see a dame called Rebecca. And then like fake movie
is that. She's like, she's Rebecca and he's like, uh no,
that's what the second Mrs de Winter will wear. I
just flit. I love that, And you know what, I

(18:20):
do wish I actually kind of do wish we could
see Rebecca because the thing about film is that we
have this third person perspective. We're not inside the second
Mrs de Winter's head, and I would have loved to
have actually been privy to the scene between them in
the sex check by the beach and seen that fight
and seeing like seeing Mrs de Winter coming down the stairs.

(18:42):
And it's supposed to be that she's haunting this place,
so I would love to see what it looked like
when she was in there. And I hope that the
new one takes advantage of that maybe that's a Nixmas
and that's one of the reasons. What about a Crimson ghost?
What if we got a Crimson Peak style Rebecca. I mean,
so when I was in college, that's when I saw
Rebecca for the first time. And it's because I was

(19:04):
on this play called Mrs Prudential, which this um guy
from at school wrote Dennis Webber, very funny, writer, director,
very talented. You know Dennis from Chicago. Yes, saying so
he listened since he's your friends. Yeah, yeah, I mean

(19:25):
maybe of course we Yeah, we make all of our
friends listen. Um. So, anyway, it was called it was
based on it was inspired by Rebecca, and it was
called Mrs Prudential and Mr Prudential. I was Mrs Prudential
number two, and there were five Mrs Prudentials and each
one he murders and puts in the closet and at

(19:47):
the end they all come back as ghosts and kill
him and I and I remember reading that and be like, oh,
Rebecca is going to be so fun. It's going to
be about ghosts. And then it wasn't any any ghosts.
Not one goes there's not a ghost in sight. And
she asked, like, do you believe in ghosts. And she's
like no, and then she's like, I want a party

(20:07):
and I want to address and I am in charge now,
and I'm like, where is the ghost? I wanted the ghost? There?
There were so many like billow curtains and shadow moments.
I was like, she's gonna pop up up, She's gonna
pop up and give me that goes, give me that guy. Um.
I don't know. I feel like it's really important that

(20:30):
you never see Rebecca because no matter what, it's not
going to live up to this vision that the Seconds
to Winter has in her head. He was a beautiful,
perfect woman who nobody can ever be as pretty as
I don't know you can get Rihanna. I know, Yeah,
I just want more. I would like more of a
film Rebecca, just so like I want to see who
they think Hollywood like, I want to see that casting.

(20:52):
It's not it's more like a it's more of like
a personal Hollywood casting moment that I would like. I
think it would be really fun if there are just
one picture in the modern movie and it's just like
Angelina Jolie and everyone's like, oh, Angelina Jolie is gonna
come and and then she never does. It's just they
just licensed that one photo. I got hundred dollars off

(21:14):
of Getty Images and then that was it. Just like
Meryl Streep and Mama Mia too. Yeah, I sort of
my my dream Rebecca. It's sort of like Angelina Jolie
meets Rihanna. What was I saying? Oh Um? I like
that change in the movie to the TV show that

(21:35):
she sort of like impetuously wanted the party to prove
she wants to kind of prove herself. We're in the
book she sort of passively like hadn't rest upon her
where in this I did like that little action moment
where she's like, I could have a party. I could
be as good as Rebecca. And it was a good
party and she did it all by herself. So proud
of her. I hate her, but she did a really

(21:58):
good job. And I was like, Okay, I could have
one beer with you. Not to but we're making progress
because book, Mrs de Winter, I was like, I don't
want to just go eat your cold ham and Daria.
She matures a lot faster in the movie than she

(22:19):
does in the book, like she very quickly comes into
her own and is able to make a sort of
statements and kind of talks to the butler. Is so
she is a lady of the manner when her husband
is being dragged away for maybe murder um where she
gives She gives the butler like very reassuring things about

(22:41):
like m Mr Winter will appreciate that, thank you for
your service. Birth uh. And it's very much like the
behavior of like a thirty year old woman who has
been running a house for a while. Yeah, she gets
on board pretty quick. Yeah, which I didn't. I mean,
I know, it's like movie magic and things needed to
be collapsed in like we lost. We lost that like

(23:02):
moment of him being terrible at the party to her
for a very long time, and like the boat happening
right away. I miss all of that him being terrible
to her essentially, so that like the end, you're like,
why does why is she still with him? Like why
the police? Yeah, why doesn't she? So Like I feel
like you kind of missed some of that as well

(23:24):
of just like the extended, prolonged lack of confidence from
her and like extended prolonged moments of him being a
total asshole to her. I also missed those moments of
tension when one after he shuns her from the party,
Like I felt that in a gut punch in the book,
and maybe because I already knew what was going to happen,

(23:45):
I didn't feel the same way in the movie. And
then those like a weird ride or die moments where
they're like together and he's talking to her for the
first time and you're like, oh, it's these two people
on board. Like in the book, I I kind of
understood why it was like being writer or did even
though it was fucked up. I was like, this is weird.
It's not a love story, but you aren't committed to

(24:06):
each other, where I think trying to turn it into
a traditional love story flattened it. Yeah, and you that
gut punch of that party too, because I feel like,
I don't know if you have all experiences, but like
throwing a party that doesn't when you're fighting with your
partner is like the worst fucking thing. Like to try

(24:28):
to try my ex girlfriend and I we had like
an event, she gotten, we gotten a fight and like
the rest of the party is just the absolute To
be in a fight at a party is like the
ultimate like public couple bullshit thing. That you're trying to
like push through and I miss that too, Like I
really I really need to see that. And I also

(24:48):
feel that feels very common because it's like you're both
stressed trying to put something together and you have different
expectations of it, and then all of a sudden you
get into a fight right before the right does the
guess is walking in. You're like, and then you have
to I have a question because as we all know,
I didn't finish the book blah blah blah. So the

(25:10):
guy that was at the sex shock Ben, I think, yeah,
was he in the book? Yeah? Yes, yeah, okay, oh yeah,
I didn't recall him in the person I read in
the book Jack Come it thinks he's his ace in
the hole, and he's like, hey'll tell you that they

(25:31):
were at the shed and like they go and get
Ben and then yeah, Ben's like no, not what, No,
I don't remember because I told him that she will
institutionalize hit me. He ever goes around telling people that
she has her lovers over to the shed. That was
hard to watch, like classic old movie Hitchcock, Like using

(25:52):
Ben as like a spooky scary element is so able
as it's like I was like, oh god, this is
hard to watch. I didn't get that sense from him
in the book really like he's not spooky, he's not scary.
He just like he's he's down by the shore. And
second Mrs de Winter talks to him and he shares
some of these things, but like they in the first

(26:14):
couple of times you meet him, I mean, Hitchcock really
is like this person is scary. I think what I actually,
I think the nuance in the book was interesting to me,
where it was like the Mrs de Winter wasn't afraid
of of him, but the men Frank and Mr de
Winter were like, oh, don't be scared of him, Like

(26:34):
he I know he's scary, but don't be scared. Like
they thought she would be scared of him, and they
put that sort of prejudice onto him, but she wasn't frightened,
and so it felt like a differentiation between them. M
I like that, Yeah, that she just like because she's
not he's like elitist person. She just likes he's a
firstman as a person. Yeah, I I think you're tan.

(26:59):
Going back to like party moment, there is so much
awkward and comedic potential in that, especially because Mr de
Winter Maxim doesn't dress up for the costume party, which
is a peak asshole move, such a good detail. Well,
I love the ash don't dress up. He's like, oh,

(27:20):
I get to do this because I'm the host, and
I'm like, you didn't do shit. Literally, you did nothing.
It's at your house that you share with your wife.
If you were too mysteriously disappear, as I think he should,
then she would get the house, so it's her house too.
But like he just decides, I don't want to wear
a costume, which okay, fine, but don't require everyone else

(27:43):
to wear a costume. Make it costume optional. It's a
little fun costume party, or don't throw it costumes the
costume party, just have a black tie dinner party. Yeah,
it's really interesting for you to refer to it as
his hestity shares with his wife that she would definitely
inherent if something happened to him. Is there ever a
version of this where the second Mr Winter could have

(28:05):
just teamed up with Mrs Dancer. That's what I was just. Yeah,
I thought that because in the movie he disappears when
the ship comes in and she's like, oh where are you? Oh,
Maxim where are you, Maxim? Maxim, Oh, I've lost him?
And then um, I'm like, what if you stop looking
down in my notes? I'm like, you don't look for him,

(28:26):
stop looking baby at the house. I had the very
wrong prediction when reading it that that's what would happen,
or that she would end up alone with the house
and having to be like the lady of the house
as as a widow, sort of like almost becoming the
new Maxim to Winter like she now is like the
the mysterious widow. That's what I would want. I love

(28:50):
a mysterious widow. I know that miss Havisham is kind
of like not a widow technically, but like I want
like a crazy old lady that's wearing the same dress,
has a rotting that nobody gets to eat. I love it.
I just want a version of this where she goes

(29:10):
to Mrs Dancrews and says, hey, So it turns out
Maximum murdered Rebecca. You liked her, right, you too, seem close.
So I was thinking maybe he should go to jail
and you can keep running the house. But for me
in Rebecca's memory, so we're friends now. Yeah, it looks

(29:32):
like a very happy ending to me, keep running the
house beautiful though I Rebecca would have wanted it. I'll
just hang out with the dogs and the painting Rebecca
in the foy. It'll be a nice little momento. Maybe
Mrs the Second Mrs de Winter falls in love with
Mrs dan Verse vice versa, and they run this beautiful

(29:53):
list together. Oh, I turned into a bed breakfast with
a Myer's kitchen. Have any of you seen the film
The Handmaiden. I don't want to spoil anything because there
are plot twists, but there are. There are is like

(30:16):
sort of made to countess love affair things going on.
It's based on a really good book called Fingersmith by
Sarah Waters, and it's very fun and very gay. Okay,
I might add that actually I haven't picked my book yet.
There it is, I would. I mean, I love the movie.

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I would love to read. I've never read the book.
The movie is spectacular, Okay, I'm excited, Okay, excellent. I'm
like kind of very blah about this movie. I also
don't like a lot of old films from like pre
nineteen seventy. I have very little interest in a lot

(30:58):
of black and white films from the classic film era,
and I've seen like my fair amount of Hitchcock. I've
seen the Birds, I've seen Rear Window, I've seen Marnie,
which is like one of those deep cuts for a
lot of people. I think Marnie was super weird, and
that's the one I think I liked the most. But um, yeah,
I just kind of was like, this is not even

(31:20):
the book in a way that makes sense to me,
And they took out all of the really interesting things,
like because we are seeing it from this third person
perspective and we're not inside of her head, we're missing
so much And um, I really missed kind of the
weird symbiotic relationship that she had with Mrs van Hopper,

(31:41):
who is probably my favorite character. I love Miss van Hopper.
So she was also right. She was I can't wait
for the and out Mrs van Hopper of every fiber
of my being. I agree. I'm I am a big
Hitchcock fan, like but I do. I watched it in college.

(32:02):
I didn't really remember Rebecca. I feel like I wanted
to like it so much because I was in college
and I was like, oh, Hitchcock, you know. But now
when I watched the second time, it just doesn't. It's
his first American film, it's one of his early films,
and I feel like he just his later films get
really into the character's heads so much more and get

(32:23):
so much more intimate, which this the book and why
I loved it was it did feel so you did
feel so intimate with the protagonist or with Mrs de Winter,
and and you get really in her head and you
see why she's doing the things she does, even if
you don't agree with them. And this just felt so cold,

(32:43):
you know, it didn't feel very connected in that way.
Isn't you kind of weird? Sorry? I was just saying,
isn't it weird that it won Best Picture? I didn't
really the Academy Award for Let's See. I'm sorry that
like was super shady, but like I just it did.
I mean, there were fewer people making fewer films back then,

(33:06):
but it just doesn't feel remarkable to me. Here here
are the nomineesh Best Picture nominees. Rebecca one Um, The
Grapes of Oh, A Lot of Movies, The Grapes of Wrath,
Foreign Correspondent, All This and Heaven to Our Town, The

(33:27):
Long Voyage Home, Philadelphia Story, The Great Dictator. No, the
Philadelphia Story, The Great Dictator, Kitty Foyle and the letter
Wait the Great Dictator came out that you were didn't Wait,
Yeah I really should have won. Yeah that's crazy. This yeah,

(33:51):
this is I was watching it knowing that it won
Best Picture and I was like, really, it's not that impressive.
It's it's good, like I like the Performer, but as
it's a little film, it didn't like me. I want.
I also wonder if, like it is Hitchcock's first American film,
and maybe it is that like we've seen as a fan,

(34:12):
like I've seen his older stuff and then going back
to this, I'm like, oh, this isn't that great, but
maybe it has some of the specialness of him as
a director that you kind of when you're comparing against
a person. I don't know, like you see the Academy.
It was like maybe the Academy was like, oh my god,
it's his first one here to give him a good

(34:34):
that he feels good. Yeah. Also, Laurence Olivier, I assume
was a big deal. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Joan Joan
Fontane I'm reading now was the little sister of Olivia
de Haveland. Oh. I think also as we know, the
Academy Awards now always get it right. So you know

(34:59):
it is Ruin's favorite film from Crash. You know what though,
I was a Crash defender for a very long time,
and then I watched it again like two years ago,
and I was like, oh, this is garbage. Somebody should
have slapped me. It's real bad. It's not good. It's

(35:20):
sort of but didn't feel racism. I thought that was
the year. Yeah, yeah, we're done. Now we did it.
It's all over, it's all good. I just got a
note from how I Would producer David o' sales Nick,
and he says, we have to do an ad break

(35:40):
right now. Nice, nice, nice, Okay, we're back with Popcorn
book Club. Okay. One of the things that I think
it was really likable about the main character, the second

(36:01):
Misses de Winter, is that she's very funny, like she's
a quiet humor and she's not making jokes with anybody,
but of when you get to be pretty to her
in her world, she's a very very funny person and
you do not get any of that in the moment.
She's a wet paper towel. She will she she is

(36:22):
a little bit she's very timid, and then suddenly she's
good at running the house, and that's nice for her,
But you never see any of the right observations that
you get in the book, and it makes it really
hard to relate to her. I have a question for
all of you. I posted a link to the poster
in the chat, so if you could click the poster,

(36:45):
is that supposed to be Rebecca? To the bottom left?
Do we think? Isn't that weird? She looks like a
statue also porcelain doll. Concerning why Mrs de Winter's head

(37:08):
is coming out of a book? Like, is that supposed
to be Daphne Dumourrier's book? Rebecca? Like? What the book? Rebecca?
It's to remind you that this is a book you
liked and now it's a movie. If it were the
Great Gatsby, I'll be like, the book represents the American dream,
the book represents the British upper class, the landed gentry

(37:31):
of England. Oh, speaking of books, I really did miss
the fact that he was like, oh, do you want
this book? And she got to like get to know
Rebecca's handwriting, And I think that that was supposed to
be hinted at because when she was like stalling for
time and trying to get Maxim on the phone, she
was like, Oh, I'm going to go into my room

(37:52):
and see if I've left my book there. Uh, just
I'll call down to the desk to give them a
forwarding address in case someone finds my book. And I
was just like, wait, is this the book that he
gave you in the car that never happened on screen?
So we're just like, why are you fucking crazy crazy
about this book? And I very much just was disappointed
in her, like not being haunted by the physical details

(38:14):
of Rebecca still being at the house, like the letter boxes,
Like there are tons of like little details that I
not to be like male filmmaker men aren't good at
making movies. They aren't aren't either. There's so many people
that aren't making movies. But there isn't there something like
about being a woman and like feeling threatened by your

(38:38):
spouses are sechnficant other's X and like they're those physical
details like the handkerchief in the pocket and the handwriting
and the letters, and like I didn't get that she
was haunted by him when she was like, you don't
have to love me. It's fine. I was like, whoa girl?
Where are you having this? She gets from zero to
sixty very quickly. Yeah, he's also major crying basically every

(39:01):
scene she's seen. It's it's a very terrible relationship in
the movie, maybe worse so than the book, because at
least in the books you can kind of put some
of it off on her being paranoid, like she's convinced
that everybody in the village is talking about her very
badly and speculating about like why did he marry this woman?
And in the movie they actually are like Beatrice and

(39:23):
her husband are actually saying, I bet she's a showgirl
from the south of France. But you're you're totally right,
like not to be like male filmmakers. But what is
interesting is that Rebecca, the first Mrs de Winter and
second Mrs de Winter are these like very full characters,
and they feel really flattened out in this book in

(39:45):
this movie adaptation, like like you don't get those hints
of her first Mrs de Winter and how she's what
she's what Rebecca is like, and like how how how
like much of a huge person she was in this
house that you get in the book. So, yeah, no,
I agree with you on that that you miss all
of those like very small moments that are actually huge

(40:08):
and I do, but and I do think it is
of the era too, of like there, It's really I
feel like back in the forties filmmaking was kind of
like Gone with the Wind and all of these big epics,
and I feel like they really struggled with having kind
of the language of intimate internal feelings and details. And

(40:33):
you know, we have so many devices now in filmmaking
that we use that just not not technical devices, but
like film storytelling devices that just didn't exist back then. Um, yeah,
why can't movies from eighty years ago be as good
as movies today? Why doesn't Winter have a Twitter feed?
So I know how anxious she feels actually more like

(40:58):
Emily in Paris? Yet should I watch me? Okay? Watch it.
It's not good. It's everything. I watched all of it
in the course of one week. I watched it one
single day. It is awful. It is indefensible, and I
can't wait for season two. Okay, back to Jennifer, what

(41:22):
you were saying that moment of the maids being snippy
to her, You're totally right under. I didn't even realize
at the time because she's being paranoid, like everyone probably
hates me, and it's like, oh ship, they do hate you,
and where it is so much more powerful if she's
so insecure and everyone's just like yeah, whatever, because that's

(41:42):
kind of what real life is like most of the times,
where you're like everyone hates me, Oh my god, everyone's
just like, oh yeah, would you have for lunch? Like
no one really can. It's the whole therapy thing of
like no one is thinking about you as much as
you are thinking about you, and so these like imagined.
I loved the imagined conversations in the book. It felt

(42:03):
and she it goes so far like she spends it.
Sometimes I'm like, wait, is this really happening, And then
I have to go back to pages of being like,
oh no, she's still imagining this scenario. Um. And I
think that is so relatable to like being a young
person that's insecure and having a lot of anxiety. And
I really hope that the new movie really digs into that.

(42:25):
I also think that a way that if I were
picking this up, I would have there's this great detail
that they opened the house to the villagers once a week,
every week, and we never see that happen. And I
think that that's such a great opportunity to have people
be talking about her and have her be able to

(42:47):
build on this sort of like oh God, like I
don't know what I'm doing situation, like to have people
be like, oh, this isn't what it used to be,
like you know, and I just feel like there's that
really great detail and I think it is right for like,
inviting people into your home is not a thing that
most of us do, Like strangers straight up people can
just walk into your house like it's a museum. And

(43:09):
I would love to see how that affects her and
how that affects her like sanity. I'm disappointed that it
didn't feel in the book running a major estate seemed very,
very hard, and I'm mad that like the details like
the food, like all the food and the waste, and like,

(43:30):
I don't know, there's so many little things that now
I obviously movies, you know, you have to cut for time,
but like, yeah, there were a lot of little things
that I missed that weren't replaced by like new visual
details to you know what. I'm sorry it does very
well like it feels. It just sort of reminded me
of a modern pieces The Great. Have you guys watched

(43:52):
The Great? I love it so much, and it is
it does have kind of a Rebecca feel where it's
this young woman that gets married off to the Czar
of Russia and she goes in not knowing how to
do anything, and it does feel like they show the

(44:16):
excess and the gluttony and all of I mean, obviously
it's a very different tone, but it I do feel
like Danny, You're right, is missing And it was such
a fun exploration of that sort of thing because it
was a job, I mean, like running a man or house,
just like that's a real fucking thing even now, and

(44:38):
I do feel like it is such a relatable feeling
of being out of your depths, whether it's you know, okay,
I was like having to run a giant manner. I
hate having to run a giant manner. So exhausting when
I marry a mysterious widow every time. No, but of
just like going into a circumstance where a like you're,

(45:01):
you know, with a bunch of wealthy people and you
don't know how you're supposed to act or talk or
like in a new job that you and have no
idea how to do, Like I feel like it is
such a feeling that I really connected to in the book,
and it ye didn't feel like it was there in
this movie that Grandma besides spontane being just so anxious,

(45:24):
the Grandma wasn't there being like where's Rebecca? I love Rebecca.
Oh yeah, Grandma, I forgot about Grandma. That was funny.
You were all right, though, Favel. It was hotter than
I had pictured him. He's super hot and not that drunk. Yeah,
it was totally tim this movie version of him. I

(45:46):
was like, he seems okay, and he said, I got it.
Rebecca would do that. Yeah. Might be cousins, but they
both can get it, you know, but but made of California,
it is legal to marry your first cousin. Okay. You
wanted him to be you want him to be hot,

(46:07):
and then looked like he spent the last eight months
drunk out of his mind. And this guy was just
kind of hot. He was just hot. There was there
was no he was like grief missed. There was like
no grief roughness to him, which I wanted. If we
really want Madman, Don Draper drunk. That's what I feel like.
George Saunders is terrible casting for fulfill And I'm saying

(46:30):
that as someone who was only allowed to watch black
and white movies growing up. So George Sanders was one
of my childhood crushes. I have follow up questions. One
what to why my parents really hated cartoons? But all
old movies are g rated and they wouldn't like sit
and watch I don't know what cartoons are, like Porky

(46:51):
the Porcupine. Um, well it was a good and we
all agree on that. But but everything on Turner Classic
Louis is de rated because of the HASE codes. So
they would just watch like an in definite series of
old black and white movies with me. So I love

(47:14):
George Sanders. He's amazing, He's great, But a lot of
his term is that he's like this why cosmopolitan man
who like is always making Martini's and uh wants to
engage in like some banter with young women. Um, and
I think that's true in this as well. Like GEAREDE.
Sanders seems like himself, he seems like he'd be fun.

(47:35):
He does not seem like the dissipated alcoholic, like former
president of his fraternity. The Rebecca was having sex was
frank play. When I think of that, I think of
Ernie Hammrick, like make his eyes bloodshot and like let
him gain twenty pounds and he's he's Favel. The important

(47:56):
thing with Favel in the plot of the book is
the police chief is on Maxim side because Favel represents
a different part of society where even the second Mr Winter,
who like is not accustomed to high society. It's like,
it's weird that Rebecca would have been friends with a
guy like that. And then the police chief when he

(48:18):
comes is like Max, you and me, we get it,
We're not. This guy is right, but he's crazy, you know,
like you know who I am? Yeah for modern casting
is what's his name? The brother from Got Out, Caleb
l Andrew Jones perfect very greasy, like dirty, and he

(48:40):
just looks like a little slam it. Yeah, he's greasy,
you get it. But you're like, he's greasy and he
would leave a film if you had sex with And
it's like you're a little scared of him. He's but
it's fine. Yeah, I feel like in more ways than
one he would leave a film if you had sex
with him, like he would have filmed me without your consent,
And I don't I see that. I see the potential

(49:07):
of that in him. I'm not saying it's a good thing.
I'm just saying that's the vibe, and I'm sure it's
a lovely person casting vibe fifteen casting. Thank you so much?
Are we He's good. I'm looking at his face right
now and he's he's creeping me out. Just make another

(49:29):
remak of Rebecca. It seems like we have to. I
feel like we should make a modern remake. There are
still rich people modern yet you can still cast him.
He has have a lot more options. I think that's
one of the ways Rebecca would be really really different

(49:50):
if it happened some Yeah, I think women in this
class have a lot of options that are not but
you have to get married and orphans orphans who are
working is like personal assistance to very rich women. I
still be fine. She doesn't have to marry somebody who's

(50:11):
a murderer, but it's still feels an emotional draw in
that feels real. And also, you know, if she's a
gig worker, minimum way just still seven fifty an hour.
You know, and you meet like a you know, text magnet,
you meet like whose really means you? Women date men

(50:37):
like that without the money, right, Like you're doing it
right now. I have too loving parents, and I have
fallen in love with people who treat me very badly. Yea,
and yeah they're not they don't have a manner and
aren't the like talk of the town. Yeah, I've done
it for a way uglier, way worse real estate. Hey

(51:03):
we all learn, you know, Yeah, only only some people
are judging you. I'm joking. Day, just like the young
second Mrs de Winter, you grow up and then you
wear a black dress and pearls. Yeah, she never gets
a to do that because she has to take care
of her decaying husband to murderer forever. Most people, most

(51:28):
people do get to do that. Yeah, I do love that,
a bitter sweet, tragic ending where both people kind of
get what they deserve, and they deserve to be in
a mediocre hotel room reading about wildfowl forever. Yeah, that's
basically what the guys on Supernatural do. Like, that's what
they do for fifteen seasons. They're in shitty motels and

(51:49):
like reading. Okay, so that has a TV show adaptation
that follows the end of the book where they're in
their hotel rooms and someone comes back, like, you know
what we should read and watch? I know what you
did last summer book. I did not know that. I've

(52:13):
read the book. Actually read a lot of books by
the author too. I went through a weird phase. Who's
the author? Twenty nine years um, I can't remember her
name off the top of my head. I'll look it up.
I was saying, did you see those photos today? It's
a woman though of the New Shonda Rhymes, Yeah, Lois Duncan.
She has a bunch of books. There's like one where

(52:34):
a bunch of kids like kill their English teacher by
accident and she just does like a lot of like murdering.
Was it detected into teaching? Mrs Tingle? Oh these covers?
Because what did you say? Young young adult books from
like the thirties, right from the thirties. I was like reading.

(52:59):
I was like, yeah, this is fun. Sorry, Oh I
didn't read the date, but still seven and three. Then
I was looking at I looked at the first day
I saw was when she was born, and I was like,
there's one that ero called Daughters of Eve, and I
have no idea what it's about, but the cover is

(53:20):
in Yeah, I love Lows, Duncan. I'm down to read.
I know what you did last summer, and I don't
think a lot of people know that was a buck.
It's like really low key. Um. This one is about
a group of young women who become convinced to punish
their fathers by a charismatic feminist teacher. That fun was, Duncan,

(53:43):
is the reason I am the way I am. That
sounds awesome, and you just murder him It's fine? Yeah,
I call the police on your husband and take his money. Yeah,
I mean, I'm sorry. Yes, Well doesn't the second my
sister Winter do that. I know, because she's a love.
But but the thing is, Jennifer, you're not any better
because you said that if Dan killed somebody, you wouldn't

(54:07):
call the police on him and take his money. Yeah. Yeah,
the coveya was that? Like, you know, if only you
had been dating for like three four yeah, yeah, dating
and married for a long time, if you many years,
if you and Daniel had only been married and yeah

(54:27):
for three months, for half of that he was mean
to you, and he was so mean to me. I'm
just crying all the time on the suicide because this
marriage was going so badly, I would probably feel very differently.
Um yeah, I mean a lot of my um and
I cannot reiterate and enough the fact that I will

(54:47):
be helping Daniel escape the country when he does, he's
inefftable murdering a lot of that his face. Yeah, this
is gonna be like evidence is going to be in
evidence for a court case. For a court case. It
becomes like a Netflix true crime moment, like this audio

(55:09):
will be like and there will be a man and
like a tweet jacket talking about how like his wife
was constantly saying she would help him escape when he
murdered someone. And if you've met Daniel, you know he
is just a moment away from murder. No, but it's
it's based upon the fact that I have known him

(55:30):
for so long and I know that he is such
a kind, loving, giving person. That have you guys known
each other or when did you start? For six years? Yeah,
we've been heard for three years. We've known each other
for six so you know that. Yeah, but you know
the murder would be justified at anybody. So I assume
if he murdered someone, they probably really had it coming

(55:53):
right right again, a thing that will be used at
the court case Againstumation. I will I'm going to play
the fifth th just okay, quick change of subject. So
I'm looking at the Rebecca film Wikipedia page and there's
a line about production and one of them is the
Breen Office. Hollywood Censorship Board specifically prohibited prohibited any outright

(56:17):
hint of a lesbian infatuation or relationship between Mrs Danvers
and Rebecca, though the film clearly does dwell on Danver's
obsessed with memories for late mistress. Yeah, they not stop
everybody from reading matt lesbian relationship. Yeah no, so that
would be that the minimum game they could do. That

(56:42):
was like my biggoted, like my biggest Grandma's coming over
the Thanksgiving Keep it low key. Yeah, we're gonna have
to do some major reshoots. This is the least gay
we can get it in the attit. Yeah yeah, I
love it. I love thinking like the the studio having

(57:02):
that last sigh. It feels a little tood we linger
on the sheer fabric on her hand for just wants
to feel again, she just likes fabric for your hand.

(57:22):
I mean they say that that she that the author
Daphne de Maurier, like there's questions about her sexuality, that
she had affairs with women, and that she was quote
a tomboy, which and that she wanted to wish that
she had been born a boy. They say that she

(57:43):
was like maybe bisexual, but this is all speculation. Oh wait,
she also wrote a memoir like she's been pretty proud
about the fact that. Here's my thing about all of
the I feel like a lot of people born in
like the late eighteen hundreds, in early nineteen hundred, people
are like, oh, and you know, she wished that she
were born a man, And I'm like, why wouldn't you, right, Yeah, Like,

(58:07):
that's not a signifier of gainus. That's a signifier of
wanting basic human decency. Yeah, I mean, I think it's
interesting that the way that Daphne more is described is
the way Rebecca is described in the book. That people
are always talking about how Rebecca should have been born
a boy. She was fearless, she was fucking her cousin,

(58:27):
which again Daphne to Maria was doing and wrote in
her memoir that she loved fucking her cousin us. So yeah,
clearly they're both fine with it, and again, in the
state of California, people still do it. Consent, Yeah, but

(58:54):
a lot. It seems like it would make for like
really awkward Thanksgiving dinners the family at the very least.
But yeah, I think it's interesting to read this book
assuming that Daphne to Murray did not necessarily see herself
as the second Missister Winter, she might very well have
seen herself as Rebecca. Mm hmm, yeah I was. That's

(59:17):
why it's called Rebecca. I love that move. I think
that's such like a modern baller touched to name your
book Rebecca and to not have Rebecca in it, and
then to never give your main character a name. Yeah,
I just like, oh, what an idea that's like, I'm
that makes me mad, how smart it is and how cool.
Though I'm very much though a fan of that sketch

(59:40):
where it's like American audiences are gonna want to see
a damn named Rebecca, because I feel like that's so true,
Like wait, is she Rebecca? Like when I read it,
I was like, wait, no one is named Rebeccah, Okay,
I got it. I am there now, And like I
feel like I'm a fairly hair you died, you know,
like well read well like open minded personels, So like,

(01:00:04):
why isn't this Basin and Rebetta? I mean, okay, does
does daph need more? Then? Have contempt for this character
because she never gets to establish an identity outside of
her husband, like and she really never does. Like it
does not end with her inheriting this beautiful mansion. It

(01:00:27):
ends with her reading to him in a city hotel
and I imagine me in a wheelchair. I know he's not,
but it seems like he's heading in the direction where
she's going to be pushing him around the ground. I
think she has empathy for her. I think there would
be no way to write this character like as funny
and relatable as it is, or she didn't have empathy
for her. But I also think that like she is

(01:00:49):
doomed to her own small little life. Yeah, I feel sorry,
Well I do feel like i've there are there They
are such extremes, right, But I do think there are
people who start as an unnamed Mrs de Winter and
become a Rebecca. So maybe maybe Daphne was as at

(01:01:11):
nineteen more like the current Mrs de Winter and then
became the Rebecca. So the second will never get to
do that though. She doesn't get to be thirty six
and wear a black dress. Now she doesn't, well maybe
at his funeral. Um, So go on a journey with
me for a second. Right, you know the musical by

(01:01:33):
canderin Ebb Cabaret right of course, about a nightclub. Nazis
all sorts of fun things. Um. So I'm not saying
Nazis are fun. That was ironic. I just I feel
like just with the world where I have to say
I don't think Nazis are fun. But anyway, there's that
whole song where she sings the titular song cabaret um,

(01:01:55):
and she talks about her friend Elsie and how everybody
was like, oh Elsie's a how and you know, but
when she was laid out, when she died, she was
the happiest court she'd ever seen. I feel that is
like Rebecca, And this story is a look Rebecca died,
she got murdered by somebody who couldn't handle her ship.
But look at the woman who can handle this guy's ship, Like,

(01:02:18):
don't be that woman, Rebecca, Like, don't don't let somebody
steal your shine. And also it's very much like at
the end of that song Cabaret. She's like, I made
my mind up back in Chelsea when I go, I'm
going like Elsie and I feel like Daphne de Morier
is like I am sucking my cousin and no one
can stop me, and that's okay. And Rebecca, Rebecca had cancer.

(01:02:42):
She did not want to die a slow death, and
she died on her terms, and she made her husband miserable.
In a funny break at the end, I like that
you regret this is a funny PreK was she classic

(01:03:05):
George Frank with a smile on her face, right, because
she's like Frank you she was about to say Franked alright.
Final final thoughts before we dip out of the nineteen
forties black and white Transatlantic Rebecca, Well, I just think
it's a swell film. I really wish that they had

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written not just the R but Rebecca her actual full name.
I really wish it was the full name. I am
haunting you. This is my away from my house, replace
my porcelain angel. Bit that the Ava Lingoria film Over

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My Dead Body is a modern day remake of Rebecca.
I like that movie. It's better than this for me.
Who is the man in that movie unimportant. I don't
even know the movie you're talking about. People Longoria is
a ghost who haunts her ex fiance as he's starting

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to date a new woman. It's hilarious, it's amazing, incredible,
it's better than this copy. Oh my god, you'll never
get I mean you will, yeah, wow, Okay, oh my god.
What a Casto was a different time, so less Rebecca's

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more Over My Bodies. That's my final thought. Well, actually,
just in a real like actual coaching thought. I think
that there is humor in the book and I did
think that I liked the book better than this movie,
which is funny because I was like, I hate this book,
but it made me appreciate the book more and it
made me appreciate the perspective that Daphnew Dumourier had more.

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And I think that one of the reasons I like
Over My Dead Body so much more than Rebecca is
because it is funny and it is a similar concept
in terms of the haunting, although this it is quite
literally is a ghost. You can see the ghost, but
there's a lot of humor. And I think that one
of the things for me that makes horror so great
is a balance between horror and humor, which is why

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I really like movies like Cabin in the Woods and
I really like Scream and I really like to get
out because you kind of have to laugh so you're
not terrified. And I think that this is one of
those situations where if you laugh, it makes you less
terrified that you're with this totally abusive man. Maybe you
should have gone to New York. This maide is is
like obsessed with his ex wife who is disappeared and drowned,

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even though she was super good at sailing. Everything's a
little sketchy, so it's just kind of like people are
talking about me. I guess I'm gonna throw a mask ball.
I think I would like to see a sequel. Yeah,
I would love to see a sequel about Mrs dan Cruise.
That's that's my entire final thought. I hope she's okay. Um.

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I hope she feels scared about her actions um. And
I hope she's happily employed someplace else where she doesn't
constantly have to be reminded of her dead love her
a slash child figure. At the very least, we know
Mrs Danvers is really good at her job, so good yeah. Yeah. Also,

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burning down a house that big would take a lot
of work. She's effective's yeah, she's good at she knows
how to do stuff. Yeah, you know how you burn
down a house that big? Little fires everywhere. Okay, I
think that's a good place to stand it. That's our

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show for the week. Thank you so much for listening.
I'm Danis Schwartz and you can find me on Twitter
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Christopher Hessiotes and were produced and edited by Mike John's
Special thanks to David Wasserman. Next week, we are jumping
into the present. Well, it's still a period piece, but
the Netflix adaptation of Rebecca with Armie Hammer and Lily James. Oh,
we have thoughts. Stay tuned. Popcorn book Club is a
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