Screen Time: Rebecca (2020)

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
So you ever read an entire book and not really
get what it's about. I bring that up for no
real reason, because this week on Popcorn Book Club we're
taking in some screen time with the film adaptation of
Daphne Dumourier's Rebecca. Last week we talked about Alfred Hitchcock's film,
and now we're moving on to the brand new Netflix version,

(00:27):
and we have some notes like it turned into a
caper in the third act and you're like, she just
oceans eight. Like this entire last half of this movie
it didn't make I was like, what are you trying
to do? That is a masterpiece. Welcome back to Popcorn
Book Club. Danish Swartz here, joined as always by Karamadan Qua,

(00:48):
Tian Tran, Melissa Hunter, and Jennifer Wright. Today we are
continuing our Rebecca discourse. I was trying to combine those
words for a second in my head before I said
it and then bailed immediately reccaseccase. We're continue our conversation
about Rebecca and the adaptations there within this time, focusing

(01:11):
on the Netflix adaptation that was literally just released the
day before. We're recording this starting really James and Army
Hammer before no judgment to everyone involved. Because it did
just release yesterday. Did we all get a chance to
watch it? Yeah? Baby? Is everyone ready to have a
party where we slowly chant Rebecca burned subtext in the

(01:37):
fires of Manderland. Joe, Okay, so first of all, we
should say that if you worked on this, I'm sure
you worked really hard and it's really hard to get
and nothing made. And yes, the costumes were beautiful, and
you should be proud of yourself. And I get your
mom is proud of you too, yes, And Kristen Scott Thomas,
you are hast designer. Julian Day, you killed it. Screenwriter

(02:07):
Jane Goldman, I've really enjoyed a lot of her work
before she wrote the screenplay on Stardust. And these guys
a lot of caveats. So, now that you've said that
it's really hard to make something good, it's hard to
get anything, it's incredible that anything is ever good. Honestly,

(02:29):
that a movie or television show is ever good is
an actual miracle. That is really real, thinking about all
the people that have to touch it and that everything,
all the gatekeepers. That is so real. So we thought
it was dad, Wow, we really didn't. I laughed the
whole time I had. I had a great time. It

(02:50):
was amazing. I did have a Manderley ball with it,
you know. Yeah, I didn't realize how bad it was
until the ball. See, I was like this, it's not
dripping me. I am very bored. But the costumes are
nice and enjoying, like all of this, you know, English countryside.
And then they get to the falsey where everybody in

(03:13):
costume gathers around her for no every reason that I
can understand. I don't think she's on like a hallucinogen.
It trip about it feels that way, and they all
just screamed Rebecca's name. It felt like a non commitment
to a surreal scene, like they're like dipping, like it's

(03:33):
someone who tries to do like it almost feels like
you're at a ball and there's like a circle and
there's a dance circle, and you go in the middle
and you start to do like some kind of weird
dance and then you immediately bail. You know. That's what
the whole Secrets felt like. It felt to me like
it was an internal expression of what was what she

(03:54):
felt was going on at the party because she had
shown up in the wrong dress, like the wrong dress,
and she's like everybody's thinking about Rebecca. Everybody wishes I
was Rebecca. This is what it feels like. But it
wasn't clear her nightgown but also horrible. Yeah, the worst
dres But also even if that was her fan, I

(04:17):
mean it was her fantasy, like her nightmare. You can
be a little more subtle than just people chanting Rebecca
could just settled or just go hog wild and have
that whole sequence be the surreal nightmare like pick a
side direct. Yeah. My overall review of this movie is
that it felt like a two hour do your Perfume commercial? Yeah,

(04:42):
like good with these like gorgeous models and in beautiful
costumes in this beautiful house and that's it. Yeah. Well,
I started watching it hear the same age. I kept
watching the romance between this age of prop couple. This
is obviously attracted to each other because you know, Karama,

(05:07):
you had brought up before your ideas with the prologue
and like how it affects the book. I will say,
this movie's problem to me, it was like you said yes,
but for the first the ending is a nightmare. Will
get to that, but at the beginning we get the prologue,
but there's no tension there. What's what's scary about the

(05:27):
prologue And like even the scene of them in the
hotel is like that's their prison cell, that's their punishment
for killing this woman and getting away from it. They
live now in shitty hotels, being boring with each other,
and there's like a sense of dread. And so you
go into this fantasy knowing that there's a sense of dread,
that something's gonna go wrong and they're gonna be trapped together.
But this we don't get that. And so it's like

(05:49):
here's a pretty girl and she meets a handsome guy
who's nice her and they have a really nice romantic
time on the beach, I mean an Olivier and like
they make him charming on purpose, and there's no tension,
and like she's immediately okay standing up to Mrs Danvers

(06:12):
and like being outspoken, Like there's no dread. It's just
like you said, like Melissa, like a perfume, Matt, It's
just like flat. Yeah. I think it's a problem too,
is that it tried to do too, Like it tried
to be two different movies. It tried to be like
a weird rom com because there's like a meat cute,
she's clumsy, they fall in love at the end, and

(06:34):
it also tried to be like this thriller and then
also then a detective movie at the end where she's
like running through the doctor's office, like it turned into
a caper in the third act and you're like, she
just oceans eight like this entire like last half of
this movie. It didn't make. I was like, what are
you trying to do? Is a masterpiece? But it is?

(07:00):
And say all the way through, you know I who
commits I will say. The thing to me that felt
wrong is I'm trying to make this movie like feminist
e girl power Like they were like, oh, she won't
be such a wallflower, like she'll have agency and the
thing don't really get rid of the whole book. Ye

(07:20):
I had the whole book and also made it more sexual.
How is not? How is the book more feminist eighty
years ago than this movie is? Melissa? Girl power is
a girl sneaking into a doctor's office for her man. No,
girl power is getting to drive your convertible on the cliffs.

(07:41):
As soon as she got on the driver's seat, he
I was like this movie is totally different. If Maxim
is giving her the keys to the car, like, come on,
he loves her because she's like a child and an
innocent that hasn't been corrupted by the world. He doesn't
want her drive in the car. No, No, he wants
her because he can control her, because she's subdued, like
Rebecca was untamable. Well, I think so much of the

(08:05):
book is about whether or not women can maintain their
identity in marriage, and Rebecca can by floating all the
rules about marriage. And Mr Winter never even gets a name,
like she can't. She is completely a prisoner of her marriage.
I just have to say, I felt like at every

(08:25):
turn that completely shifted the female characters and made them
somehow worse, except for Mrs Danvers. I feel like Mrs
Danver's was the most consistent in terms of from the
book to this film adaptations. Less gay, annoying, definitely, but
still the most consistent. Like I felt like Mrs van

(08:46):
Hopper in the book and even in the nineteen forties movie,
she was an unpleasant person, but she was unpleasant in
a normal way. This movie was just like she was
literally a monster lady, but it was the book was
The book was funny because she was unpleasant in a
relatable way. And the book is very funny because like

(09:08):
people act in ways that people actually act. And this
was like it was like written as if an alien
had never heard a joke before. Like, yeah, and Dowd
in a different movie, I would have loved this performance
that and Owd gave because she was just eat chewing
up the furniture. It's like you go go to the
Leven and Dowd, but then it's like then it's like surprised.

(09:30):
We we directed a completely different movie outside of you.
But I will say that I will watch. I would
watch and Owd have the flu for like an hour
and a half. She was so funny being sick, just
like like that that drool that was like really did

(09:54):
the close up of the drool? I gasped, like be more?
Going back to Karama, what you were saying about dan Verse,
I totally agree. She was amazing. What I didn't like
that they made her do at the end is say
all of the subtext in a monologue, her momog at
the end, it was literally the Chanting Rebecca of speeches

(10:18):
where she's like I had to burn it down it
was our place, mine and Rebecca's that I care about.
I couldn't let you have it. It's like, you don't
have to say a suicide. Seeing suicide don't mean she
also could you just you could have just seen that
shot if that was the choice that decaid to make,

(10:40):
and you could understand, like you don't need to say
a goddamn word. Yeah. I didn't love the trying to
convince her not to kill herself when all you've done
is being odds with each other, like Mrs de Winter
wants her to die. Like, I just didn't power the
women helping seem very wrong. Come to me. They were like,

(11:01):
here's a montage of party planning, and we're on the
same team. Can you believe my god? That was I
actually kind of liked the party planning were on the
same page part because I knew that it was fake
Mrs Danvers, and I was kind of like, oh, okay,
this is like when Regina George says, oh my gosh,
I love that skirt. Where did you get it? And

(11:23):
I just knew that as soon as she turned her back,
it was going to be like, that's the ugliest effing
skirt I've ever seen. Why don't you jump up a balcony.
I have a question, and I wasn't sure about this,
and so I'm asking you, as like smart TV writing people,
they made a choice of changed from the book that
seems sort of minor, which is that Danvers fed the

(11:44):
dress idea through the servant and I like that, okay,
but here's the thing. The difference was, it wasn't a
servant in the book. Her servant just came to the
house and she was brand new, and so she wouldn't
have seen Rebecca at the party, which is why when
she's the only one who sees her in the dress,
she's like, great, you look great. Have fun. At the

(12:05):
party where this maid was there at the beginning, she
was just like a chambermaid. So she knew that Rebecca
had worn that dress, and dan Verse told her and
she was like, oh, I just I thought you would
like it, And she said that Mr. De Winter would
be so happy. She should fire hold these people the

(12:25):
minute that happen. She did try. She was bad at it.
Oh my god, remember when she tries to fire dan
Verse and then Max got mad at her because he
thought that she was having an affair with with Jack
was so weird, although I will say he was perfectly

(12:46):
cast favel. I thought that was exactly the right amount
of like the in between that we've been talking about
in terms of the actor. Thigh scene was sexy, but
what didn't make sense in real life she would be
I think, too embarrassed to have said anything where in
this she can't be confident enough to fire Mrs Danvers,

(13:07):
but not conid enough to tell Jack like funk off.
And then why would Max ever think She's like, Hey,
a weird guy showed up at our probity today, whoa
to visit? You know that your question about Mrs Danvers
in the movie making the choice to like manipulate Mrs
de Winter through the the Maid, I see what you're

(13:30):
saying because in the book, to me, I'm like, Mrs
Danvers would handle her own ship, like she wouldn't like
delegate that manipulation to other people. Like I liked that
in the book that like she is the one that
she's doing, She's the one doing the game manipulation. Yeah,
and I do, yeah, just from a writing perspective, and uh,

(13:51):
you know, christ and Scott Thomas perspective. You have this
great actor and I think The reason why I was like,
what at the montage was it was such flip as
opposed to you could have you could see dan Verse
like warm to Mrs de Winter and say like are
you having trouble with your costume? But you could see
the manipulation and just like you see in the book

(14:13):
and you're like, don't do it. It's like saying like
don't go into the basement or whatever in a horror movie,
and you don't get that in this one. It just
goes from them not liking each other to a montage
where they're planning a party. Yeah, it's like where someone
if someone is mean to you, but in like a
dominant way, there is something sort of like weird and manipulative.
Then they kind of like give you a tidbit that

(14:36):
you're like, oh, thank you, that's really helpful. Like I
wanted to see that relationship laid out with it nance
health point. But what I said, even in the last
one um for Rebecca and for the book, why on
earth would she trust Mrs Danvers when she tells her
to wear this costume. So for me, the reason it

(14:57):
made sense for her to have her go through the
main Clari's was because Clara's has no reason to lie
or to not be friendly to Mrs de Winter. So
that's what I liked about that, because it was a tactic.
She was like, look, she's already tried to fire me.
She is like very sauce right now. So if I

(15:17):
do this through Hoosie, what's it? She might actually wear
this and I can get my revenge for the movie.
I think that makes sense because in this book, Yeah,
because in the book, why can keep calling her Rebecca
Mrs i Am the American audience that is like Rebecca
because she doesn't try to fire Mrs Danvers at the

(15:39):
beginning like in the book. I love that Mrs Danvers
is such a slow burn that there isn't anything, egregiously
a red flag for Mrs de Winter that it would
make her feel untrustworthy. But in the I mean, in
this movie, they're just like, I mean, yeah, because it
does feel like it could have been a more interesting
relationship like the book, Like you were saying, crama of

(16:00):
the Regina George, who is so good at manipulating and
is so good at like you're terrified of her. But
then when she's nice to you and suggests you wear
that top, you wear the top, you know, And I
feel like that's what was missing in both movies. Frankly,
that's fair, that's absolutely fair. And both movies were directed
by men who generally don't find themselves in those similar

(16:22):
manipulative relationships. True. Do you think that making Clarise does
it assumes that Clarice is dumb to the point of
being treacherous. I think if she had any instant word
self presentation, at least she requestioned whether or not that
was advice that she should pass along immediately to her employer,

(16:44):
a person who can fire her immediately. I bought her
as dumb. I bought her too. I kind of liked
in the book the way that Danvers planted someone with
her who had not been in the house before, because
I think that that also sort of know dan versus
sort of like spider touch, that she knew like, Okay,

(17:04):
I'm not going to give her someone experienced you can
like contradict me in anything, so I'm the only expert
in the house. Um. But I guess that is also
very subtle and maybe couldn't have been conveyed as visually.
But yeah, I think by empowering, I'm putting that in
quotes like Lily James's character in like the most routine

(17:25):
like Hollywood notes way, they totally undermine the point of
the book, like she's not supposed to be confident. This
is a weird arbitrary space with weird arbitrary rules where
if you have not been raised in it, it is
designed to make you feel. And that's why the turn
in the book is so powerful when she does like

(17:45):
come into her power, because it's not real. It's her
feeling like I am now on the team of this man.
She's now like complicit with this murderer, and that's what
gives her the power, and that's why it's so fucked
up and and subversive. You know, she can only be
she can only get her power, like like Jennifer said,

(18:06):
by like totally subsuming her identity to her husband. Yeah, yeah, apology,
you understand that you want to help your husband get
away with her. No, I'm still not there. I will
never be there. There is no person on earth that
would be my partner that I would help get away

(18:27):
with murder and definitely not a man. Okay, So now
that that's been put aside, I don't know your apology
for that you will never apologize for that. What I
do owe you an apology for is you were like,
I think it's important that we never see Rebecca, and
I was like, no, I want a dame named Rebecca,
and they gave me the exact thing that I wanted, Like,
I didn't like that for her to be in a

(18:54):
red dress. It's like, can you be more predictable? Like
the vibe that I got was like, you know how
when in the you Belong with Me music video by
Taylor Swift, the villain like the girl that the boy
is dating is Taylor Swift, but with brown hair, and
when in a red dress, it gave me very like

(19:17):
mid mid career Taylor Swift vibes. You know what was
more upsetting than seeing Rebecca is to seeing the like
um swarm of birds representing one of That was one
of the three notes I had when I watched this.
I'm like, I wish the birds spelled out an R.

(19:45):
I'm breaking with the rest of the movie. It might
hang out on the top half spelled out? Are is
that like supposed to be an homage to Yeah? Like
what the hell? Which Daphne did? Mario also as they
were like what if we just threw two Daphne's in one,
throw some birds in there, put in a dame named Rebecca.

(20:08):
We got the whole shebang. No, but I love birds
more than anyone else in this chat. But I did
not with the birds were disrespected. Those birds were not
my least favorite part of the movie. Every time about
this movie, everybody's least favorite part. I'll go first and

(20:28):
say my least favorite part was the action movie ten
minutes or she alone drives to that she's got to
find the doctor. No, you don't second for Mrs winter h.
I mean this might be obvious, but my least favorite
part was the end. Specifically, Can I read the last line?

(20:48):
Because I posit and rewound it to write it down.
It made me so mad. I can see the woman
I am now, and I know that I've made the
right decision to save the one thing that is worth
walking through Flames for love. No, that's the opposite of
the books, because of this marriage, because he got shot

(21:10):
in the face. Do you see the love? Oh my god,
question Mark, it's not even an ending for this weird
movie that I put together. But they didn't set that
up at all. I have to go real quick walk
through Flames for love. So let's take a break. Okay,

(21:36):
we're back with Popcorn Book Club. Armie Hammer as Maxim
was the most boring thing I've ever seen. He's like
a nonentity in this movie. Like when he was not
on screen, I forgot he existed. Yes, I have to
say a thing that I said about Armie Hammer before

(21:56):
this movie came out. I told someone I said the
words I feel as sorry for Armie Hammer as you
can for a conventionally attractive, wealthy male movie star, because
Hollywood has been trying to make him a star and
it just doesn't take. And then I watched this movie
and I thought, maybe he just doesn't have it. I

(22:17):
think you would have got a great Jack Alt. He's
exactly who I amnted when I am ancing Jack developing
like a little little puffy, Like was like unbelievably attractive
ten years ago, but now like he's a little bit
puffy and like maybe he drinks a little bit too much.
He'd be perfect for that. Did he have a take
on this character at all? Stiff Man? I mean, I'm

(22:39):
like Armie Hammer a lot. I think I'm probably a
bigger fan of Armie hammert than he's great. I think
he's it seems like a nice guy Onstagram, is very
funny Sorry to Bother You. I thought he was really
a movie. A movie just has to use him, right, Yeah,
this feels like they kind of all the stuff that

(23:01):
makes interesting this movie. They knew like a normal man
who didn't seem like maybe he's a sociopath, a prommercial
Army Hammer take. So, I think that the problem is
Armie Hammer is too hot and no, no, no, no,

(23:22):
hear me out. He's too conventionally attractive to quote unquote hot.
And I think that he has like character actor energy
in him, because Sorry to Bother You is probably the
closest he's ever come to like a character acting part.
And that's where I think he shines the most. And
all the things I've seen him in John Hammon energy,

(23:44):
that James Marston, James Mars, Jamie Harrison problem. But he's
a really good character actor that West World, right. Yeah.
I love James Marson. I love James Marson, but I
think that's his problem is that he's so conventionally handsome.
People don't always see what like a good actor, you

(24:04):
know what. I am positive that Arnie Hammer will do
like an amazing HBO show five years from now, and
he'll have a lovely renaissance and it'll be a great Yeah. Yeah,
he should be on succession. That would be amazing, That
would be that would be perfect. Do well in The

(24:27):
Man from Uncle. I think I heard good things about that,
but I never because I'm very fun. People supposed to
stand for something I don't know, confused, and I'm not
going to see it. He's he's fun in projects that
like use his energy like in a fun way, and
this was just like what if we don't I mean

(24:48):
in the classics of the script, could anybody be used well?
And that's what I felt like, both him and Lily James,
who I've seen both do good work. But that's why
Defwite felt like a perfume mad because they just felt
like pretty models that were just told to sort of.
It just all felt very stilted, from the writing to

(25:09):
the acting to the directing, like it was just it
felt like people just going through the motions of what
a movie should be. Like what you were saying about
the fact that like everything that made Maxim an active
part of this original story is stripped away from the
movie and like the worst parts of him is that
he sleepwalks to the west, like that is supposed to

(25:32):
be the spookiest part about this man. Another loss I
feel like in this movie and why I'm so mad
about the take because it was such a lost opportunity
to show an interesting modern take on an abusive relationship,
where like the outbursts that Maxim has in the book

(25:55):
and the way she describes his face changing. It's like,
for one moment he's like just Maxim. In the next
moment he's she's a person. He doesn't she doesn't recognize.
That feels like such an none of that was there,
Like none of those Like he was mad at the
rocks and just walked away and was like piss, pissy,

(26:15):
but like not scary, and that's what you want. You
want those moments of her being scared by him and
then it goes away. I think it also why he's
attracted to women, Like I don't want a murder daddy myself,
but people want to recognize that some women want a
murder daddy, and that is an archetype of man that

(26:35):
it can be like very attractive in part because they
have these volatile move swings um and that is godship.
Was there even a second in the movie where you
thought that he still loved Rebecca and was mourning her?
Because he did not play that at all. He's he
has to play it in a way where like you

(26:57):
believe that Lily James up until that point thinks that
he's being cold because he misses his ex wife, and
this movie totally didn't do that at all, not for
a split second. I have a question for the panel,
um that my least favorite moment in this movie also
connects to that. When they're on the beach and the

(27:19):
romantic part is him taking little clumps of sand and
putting it on her shoulder. Did he spell out an
M because she goes back and looks at it in
the mirror. Was it a tanned I was very key,
That's what I'm asking. That's what I didn't watching, is

(27:39):
that is that fucking M on her shoulder? Because why
I was I was just like, oh, that's a thing.
I guess, okay, I know she at it. That's why
I was like, do that makes sense again? A little
heavy handed? If that's what that is? Very heavy and

(28:00):
that's like the idea of a sand brand like that
sounds like a late night made like a seen on
TV products sand brand when you want to mark something
as yours, but you don't want it to be a
permanent or painful sand But I like that if that
is what happened, that we didn't get to see the
full scene. So Maximum is like, okay, just lay right here.
I'm going to put a clump of m on you.

(28:21):
And then he's like, don't move. Don't move for an hour.
At least they didn't for he didn't for a second
make Rebecca seem cool and like awesome, and they didn't
for a second make Lily James seemed lame enough. Like
that contrast is important. And also when he can confesses

(28:43):
to the murder to me by this point, like he
doesn't say anything that in any way justifies it at all,
where at least like in the book, you like got
his character and like what type of person he is?
Where in this with this character you're like, what, yeah,
you murdered a lady. He seems like a very normal man,

(29:05):
Like he seems like I think the normal human man
reaction to your wife announcing that she's going to be
non my opus, It's like, wow, we had a big
miscommunication divorce. So yeah, it makes no sense that he
would respond by letting this go off for ars and

(29:25):
then shooting her and not just getting a divorce. So okay,
they tried to make it make sense. They didn't make
it makes sense, but they tried to make it make
sense in that scene where they're in the car driving
and he was saying, oh, I have no airs and
you know, if I die, my estate goes to my sister,
and you know, I love her kids, but they're not
de Winters. So the whole thing is that he needs

(29:48):
to have de Winters at Manderly. Fine, okay, yeah, but
like I think that's why he shot her because it
was like, you can't prove that this baby is not
yours and it's just bang. But it's like he should

(30:08):
have gotten That's that's why that reason makes sense in
the reading of the book, where it's like he just
likes our protagonist because she's like a young, fertile innocence,
Like he does not care about her really as a person.
He just wants someone he can kind of manipulate and
doesn't Rebecca's like spunk getting there where it's like this
guy and literally James like like a guy so obsessed

(30:32):
with his family legacy. You're like, all right, if he
has like a crazy sense of humor, maybe he shot
a guy, shot a lady and and now is married
to this like nobody. Fine, But the way they play
this as like a straight up love story, You're like,
it doesn't track, it's now, it's just the most important

(30:53):
thing is love, Okay. And I think the other problem
with this with the idea of making it like a
Will met love story where they both seem like very confident,
beautiful people. He would not marry a woman that confident,
like his whole goal with his second wife should be
I need a woman who will never cheat on me.

(31:13):
I need a woman that I can pop airs out of,
who will never so much with look at another man
because she's too timid to do that. And um, Louis
das a pretty confident from the beginning. I mean, she's
not cheating with Jack Favell, but like, give up five
more visits. I don't know if something could happen. Yeah,
she was not writing. She was not writing side saddle.

(31:34):
She was writing us ride like they did make Lily James.
Is that what they teach you at prep school? Karama.
That is not what they teach us at prep school.
That's just me projecting onto the nineteen forties. I think
that's when this was. It also was not clear when
it was sometime after ninety five and before nineteen anyway. Sorry,

(32:00):
I was just going to say. They did make Lily
James's character stronger, but also they made her really weepy
in ways that didn't feel like her Her naivete from
the book was never It never felt like that. It
felt more like her being insecure and more internal, and
it would like she would have these flights of fancy

(32:21):
that would never take her to like full on almost
being in tears at every single like conflicted scene. Like
I was like, she did not have a boss in
the book, screaming to a large she was always That's

(32:44):
what I was saying about Mrs van Hopper because I
kind of liked Mrs van Hopper from the book and
from the first she was in a normal way, like
everything has an aunt. That's kind of that, you know,
It's like, oh she was she was supposed to be
attacking American, and they didn't make her American either, which

(33:08):
is like and dad could have to slam dunk she
could be attacking American. Yeah, I couldn't tell if she
wasn't American or if she was doing a like mid
Atlantic accent. I just like was like, what's happening and
it was. I think this woman would be more popular
than this van Hopper in the book is he's a

(33:31):
crazy polster, extremely interesting. I would love to part this.
She seems honestly very fun, I mean, deeply brow get
somebody's face and that every party if it goes well.

(33:51):
I do love people throwing drinks in people's face. I
just want to see it happen. Um And I feel
like if I met my slady on vacation, she would
make sure it happened. And probably I didn't feel I
didn't feel like Lily James was like helpless enough, which
sort of needs to be to need to lead her
identity onto this guy. And then because they were like, okay,

(34:16):
let's make this a two handed love story, the character
like they made every wrong choice because if if Mrs
van Hopper is that insane, this only James wouldn't work
for her. No, she's They made her clumsy, like like

(34:37):
a rob clumsy person, just like dropping stuff. The beginning
of the scene where you're supposed to that whole monologue
where she's like, I don't really know much. I haven't
seen the world, and she like walks in front of
a group photo. I'm like, yeah, you're drumb for doing that,
but like you shouldn't better than that. She's and she's

(35:00):
like having conversation with Maxim where it's like she's very
outspoken and yeah. I think the part where I was like,
oh no, and it ever, I knew it was going
to be bad was when she was like she talks
about like some plant that she knows about, and it's like, oh,
you know a lot of things like oh, I read
a lot about it in books, but I've never seen

(35:21):
the world. And I'm like, oh no, you just in
a movie. Can we also say, being delivered a plate
of bad cold ham and being too embarrassed to say
anything is way funnier and more relatable than being banned
from the terrorists or for accidentally ordering oysters in the morning.

(35:44):
You know, I actually really like I was like that
I would do that. Did she did she order twelve twelve?
She ordered because she ordered some oysters? Yeah, I just
I thought I know she was trying to say some
eggs right. No, she just was repeating what the fancy

(36:06):
lady had said with no context and no understanding of
what the food was, which also is insane to me,
because like I like to know what I'm putting in
my body before I asked for it, so like I
don't know, I would order a food I knew about,
and I would be attacking American and be like what
does this mean? She also she also just kind of

(36:28):
if she's just gotten the same thing that he got.
Oh no, I can talk absolutely doing that because she
wants she wants to seem like she's a sophisticated person
and one order in fresh and it's an order that
she heard the lady at the next table make yesterday.
I definitely have done that in France, like just being

(36:53):
really embarrassed and like looking at what's on the menu
and then hearing something like lemm shows Minley's paper thing
is actually very minor. But it bothered me a lot.
Is that the dog was not as cute as the
nineteen forties version dog, Like I just didn't I felt

(37:15):
nothing for this dog. I criticized the casting directors who
cast that dog. There aren't that many dog guys in
Hollywood hero. Hopefully I never need a dog for anything,
because they're gonna hear this and they're just gonna black life.
I don't know. I think there is really good dog casting.

(37:37):
I forget what it was recently, but I was watching
a movie with Jeremy and I was just like, completely
sincerely said that's a really good dog actor. And he
looked at me just started laughing and I didn't mean to.
I meant it. It was a really good dog actor.
Sometimes dogs do a really good job. I got the
Jasper in the nineteen forties, Rebecca was killing it. I

(38:00):
loved that dog. I cared a lot about that dog.
He was a cute dog, and this dog was cute.
These dogs were very, you know, like aesthetically pleasing dogs.
They were good looking dogs. But I was just kind
of like, you're a plot device and I don't care
about you at all. Yeah, They're acting was wasn't grounded whatsoever.
It was a little over the top. They're not nominated

(38:22):
for an that's the dog dosar Okay, neither neither movie
did this, and I understand because it might not like
communicate well visually. But a thing that I realized I
missed about the book was something that I like. I
feel like not many has not been portrayed to me

(38:43):
in book or film or television, and yet it's a
feeling I find very relatable, the feeling of like being
in a big house and now it's mourning, and like
being very bored and like you can't do anything. She
just like doesn't know where anything is, and her husband
is gone and Mrs Sandfords is taken care of anything everything,
and she's just like, what do I do now? Like?

(39:05):
I like that, and I think that would be difficult
to convey on screen, but would be good. I love that.
But that was that anxiety, you know, but you're not
you're not in your home. You're not in your home,
you're in you're in some it's like waking up before
your friend had a sleepover. Yeah, I've never been bothered

(39:27):
by country house weekends. I find it you've ever said
country house weekends plural, that's what knows weekends. I was
about Jen. I was about to say, well, you know,
I think that you're a little more comfortable around immense
wealth than some of us. But I think you took

(39:48):
care of that. Oh my god, country house weekends. I
love that. Magazine I've been subscribing. Now you're going to
be e can't be a breakfast when everybody's ready like
around him? And what do you do? What are you
doing for graduating? And you could scatch sure you can

(40:09):
go to the card walk. I'm up. So let's ask
each other what we thought the best part of the
movie was. I can't take this anymore, my god, I
want to have a country house weekend on weekend. I
am very available for a country house weekends. Jennifer, I
don't believe in then, so I don't think people should

(40:31):
own more homes than they can live in it one time.
But I'm sure, totally totally agreed. But I am open
to anyone listening to this with a country house. I'm
okay with it. I'm totally comfortable and have a very
nice talk. Yeah, and I will bring you a basket
of Janssenda. Thank you card. Yeah, you guys are writing

(40:55):
billionaire son right now. Okay, that is the movie. I
made him a movie. It bottles of homemade vanilla. If
you invite me to your country home weekend, I'll bring
you homemade vanilla with a card. I literally cannot make
this country home weekend conversation. All right, let's favorite part

(41:16):
of this movie wasn't Bracka's Weird beat Shock. It seemed
really fun. It seemed like she had some good times here.
There were like a lot of empty champagne bottles scattered around,
interesting wee things, nice blankets like it's a weird paintings
there that I clearly didn't fit in the main house.
She's a little fun place. I bet you had good

(41:37):
times there. I liked it. I like the cottage for
Goblin core Vibebecca's weird little beat shack. Grandma was your
favorite thing? Grandma? I love. I rated her in the movie.
She wasn't in nineteen forty, but she was in twenty
and I kind of liked that they took away the
sort of it felt like an Alzheimer's moment in the book,

(41:59):
where like where's Rebecca, Where's Rebecca? But in this she's
just like, no, you're not married to my grandson. That's silly.
It wasn't Rebecca is married to him. It's no, you
definitely aren't. I don't know who you are. I don't
know what this is. I just I don't buy it.
I don't believe it. That's not my grandson. You're not
that bitch, And I love that one quick thing I

(42:22):
really like. My favorite thing is I liked a lot
of the costumes. But one note that I had with
the Caveat is why did he wear that same mustard suit?
Because he's very rich, do not wear the same ugly suit?
And also, I imagine that this is a movie. I
would I mean, it was directed by a man, but
I would have hoped they realized that, like women would

(42:43):
like it and want it, and Armie Hammer is a
really attractive man, and like women might want to look
at him. Why didn't we get like good shots of
him and like well cut suits and like Vulture you
that we all ready They specifically called out the bile
yellow suit. You know what it makes me think of

(43:07):
the costuming that I would have loved is um in
Lovecraft Country. The the Alexander Skarsgard looking guy that is
actually the girl. The way he dresses, that's good. That's
for women. Um and came in you know anyone who's
attracted to men. But I will say my favorite part

(43:30):
was the casting of all of the the Downstairs The Help.
I loved christ and Scott Thomas. I loved Firth. I
loved Um the Maid, that her maid. She was such
good casting and I love and I loved the downstairs
party that she goes into the kind of Titanic looking

(43:51):
like party, and that books fun. I wanted more of
them and their drama. Yeah, I just wanted down to nappy.
I kind of want most things that have like service
people to be down to nabby where it's like, Wow,
these are fully rounded, three dimensional characters, and I like
care about Carson, Yeah, I care so much. My favorite

(44:16):
part of this movie is Kristen Scott Thomas. She absolutely
made this film for me. Anytime she was on screen,
I was just like, oh not. She's like a fox
first of all, and just smoldering the whole time and
so scary, like so scary. I couldn't. I can picture

(44:37):
myself being like a a person just like in this
big house and Mrs dan And if she starts walking
towards me, I will be scared and turned on at
the same Yeah. The Purpose movie that I hated the
most because I did not catch to say my least
favorite part is when Danvers kills herself. There is nothing

(44:59):
of part of her character that leads me to believe
that she would ever do that. She survived the loss
of her lover slash daughter. She's not gonna jump off
a cliff because she couldn't drive the second and sister
Winter to suicide after she just won. She just burnt
down the house. Good for her, go to France. Yeah, leave.

(45:19):
I like and like a tone of ambiguity where you
almost I mean, you know she burns down the house,
but like you don't know know it like the book
ends at the perfect moment. Yeah. Um, and I hate
Lily James having should try to help her at the
last night. Just first of all, I don't think you
should have any relationship with someone who tries to crack

(45:42):
you just suicide. Um, and just like that right out there,
I think it is insane that you would talk to
Nanrew's at all, let alone try to pull her back
from a cliff. I'm gonna go sand brand my partner
right now with my letters of my name, so I'll

(46:02):
be right back in a few hours. Actually, all right,
so let's get back into it. I need to shift

(46:22):
the conversation before this goes on too long. To the
climax of the movie. This like Courtroom in Quest of
I will say A thing that I thought was very
prescient about the book is how the system is designed
to make the white rich landowner as comfortable as possible
throughout the entire thing. And I thought that was very

(46:43):
funny and like spot on an astute that at every
turn the magistrate and the corner was like, we are
so sorry Max, So we don't mean to inconvenience you,
Mr de Winter, and we just this, we have to
do it. Oh no, your wife was shot, but oh no,
it's not like we would ever want to inconvenient too.
And this they're like, nobody is above the law. But

(47:07):
I will say I didn't think it was prescient of
the book. I think it was an accurate depiction of
always yes, sorry, well well said, well said. But yeah,
I did like the Lawyer just in terms of like
liking a legal drama, and like all I do right
now is watch Law and Order with my mom on
we TV because they have all of the episodes every

(47:29):
day cent when we show it on BBC America. Yeah,
there there's always Law and Order on and that's what
we watch. But I like the Lawyer for that because
he did feel kind of like a district attorney Jack McCoy.
But I didn't like that in terms of that's literally
not what would happen in this place, in this time
with this person in this book that was sourced for this,

(47:51):
like did you read Yeah, And the fact that they
made it like paparazzi, like the book is they wanted
it to be discreet for a reason. It's because they
were trying to protect Maxim and like for them to
turn it into this whole like circus, turn it into Chicago, Um,

(48:13):
I was like not digging it whatsoever. And yeah, it
just felt like every step of it was a real
misunderstanding of the book, which is so strange because there
is a movie already that mostly like they got it
roughly like seventy percent of the way and I'm like, nail, yeah,

(48:35):
And it's like, oh, the whole point of that back
sequence is like the tension building and then it gets
released and then there's a new tension and then it
gets released and a new tension and released and you
know it's going to end badly, but you don't know how. Um.
And so it just feels like dread building on dread
building on dread, and they just like we're gonna be

(48:57):
like this is now it's an episode of law and order,
Like what's happening? It's really subtle and funny to me
when uh, when Favel and when Favel's at the house
and keeps demanding more drinks and he's really like uncouth
and you can tell that even though he is right,
and the reader knows he's right, you're like, yeah, of

(49:18):
course the police is, Oh, it's going to be fully
on maxim side because this is just like and that
scene that they cut from this movie that was in
the Hitchcock movie that I think was maybe my favorite
scene in the book was when it's Favel and de
Winter and Mrs de Winter and then the cop comes,
the magistrate comes over, and then Mrs Danvers comes in

(49:43):
and Frank is there, and it just feels like, wow,
that is such a fun scene to film because it
is such a like building and there's so many people
and they're all just there's like a little furtive glances
going back and forth. Then it's just like that feels
fun and cinematic and they're just like who knows what?
Who's going to reveal what? Yeah. I also owe an

(50:05):
apology to Alfred Hitchcock because I feel like I now
appreciate the artistry of Rebecca. It was a much better
movie than I gave it credit for last week. And
I retract some of my statements, which ones you can
guess it's hard to make a good Rebecca adaptation. I
think we've learned. And good job Alfred Hitchcock. Congratulations picture this.

(50:30):
This movie did a better job of what we had
talked about. That was missing from the Hitchcock film was
just like the little hints of Rebecca in in the
you know, the handkerchief and in the in the hair brush,
like those little moments where she's constantly haunted or she's
just her presence is there, but she's not like running

(50:52):
away in a red dress. But they like did both,
which I thought was totally unnecessary, but they did do
a better job of that, just like how her ghost
is there in the objects, and like how the house
is held. And the handwriting was better, Oh my god. Yes, yes,
the handwriting was what I was after and gorgeous. I

(51:14):
will say, after this movie, I googled personalized stationary and
made we want to getty. It was so pretty. Somethings
on their way to country House weekend, Oh my god,
and we got, sorry, a glimpse of the flower room
she ran through. I really like something that I think

(51:39):
was in the book, also because it was the r um,
but something I really like about the fact that Rebecca's personalized, stationary,
and like her pillowcase and all this crap has an
R and it's never a DW for de Winter, and
it's very much that like, no man can own Rebecca.
She is Rebecca, and I really like that. And nobody

(52:02):
tried to make it an R D W at any point.
They're like, no, it's an R. We're not going to
have a dame named Rebecca, except in this version they did.
But you're gonna see her in that pillow case. It
does make me really wish, though, that either I or
my future husband had a last name with a D
E at the front of it, because I think there's
something very cool about an R D E lower case W,

(52:26):
and I would love like an M D E lower
case something your name, you know, Darcy Cardon, the actress
from The Good Place, her name didn't have She added
that apostrophe. Yeah, when she was like fifteen, you know,

(52:51):
like every every child like changed their name to make
it more interesting. Some of us started to do that.
Did you all like the part where she has that
bad dream and she's walking in the hallway and she
gets eaten by the flower. I don't like any dream

(53:13):
sequence almost. Yeah, I will say the best dream sequence
in cinematic history is the opening scene from Bringing On. Yeah.
I'm not thinking you're right, Yeah, that is great. I
think it's open dreams. I don't hate that. Yeah, A

(53:33):
goofy movie has a cold open dream. That's the person
only example. These are feel like we need to be covering.
I'm racking my brain for a cold open dream. I
can't think of one right now, Jennifer. I did want
to make very clear. I want to say, even though
as someone who would say you were right, or die
for your husband if he eat murders, I will say
this as someone who knows and loves Daniel. I think

(53:55):
he's great. I am very very glad you did not
change your name and remain Jennifer. Right the initial rebecca
and are not Jennifer. Um it's yeah. Uh. The only
person who felt strongly about me changing it was my

(54:15):
dad who really found that I should change it to
my husband's name. But your name is so much better. Sorry, Daniel.
I mean we we all loved Daniel very very much.
But yeah, I had written, I had my second book
coming out by different I was engaged, Like it just
didn't really make sense for I could never figure out
how I was going to have this name that I

(54:38):
published books under and I did all my writing under,
but I also had a different name at home, and like,
what name would I give to people if I was
out in public? And day just really honestly seemed easier
to keep my own. And it wasn't like a twenty
one year old woman getting married when I had an
accomplished professional things yet I'd written a bunch of books

(54:58):
under my name. Also, Alt No Shade Kimble Smith is
a silly sounding name. It is a very silly sounding there.
It's it's a real choice on Peter's part that they
wanted to go down that road. We should all add
the D before our last name. So the end, oh

(55:29):
the engine, this is the thing. They turned it into
a grand love adventure where actually manderlike burning down was
a blessing in disguise because they can travel the world
together as young age appropriate lovers thoughts, and also they're
in Cairo, like what was that they're supposed to be
in Cleveland. He would never he would never be in Cairo.

(55:52):
Maxim would not go to Cairo when too hot and
there are too many brown people. Yeah, what I really
needed for that scene was like if you know, if
she was reading a book and he grabbed it out
of her hands and was like, you're seeing the world
now and like three little crow, Yes, yes, you don't

(56:14):
need to read to read, and then she was like
love is real. What they need to do is go
into a cafe or some like I don't know, something
that's like Cairo specific, that's culturally specific to where they are,
and then meet somebody else who is of the West

(56:35):
and haven't be Judy Greer. And then she becomes best
friends with Willie James and I love that. I love
Judy Greer and I wanted to be in every movie.
It was would always bring your movie up a few notches.
I agree, what a jarring way to end a movie

(56:57):
to that at all? No, it was. It was odd.
It was very odd and very uncomfortable, and I was like, wait,
did I miss the whole point? Yeah, the point in
if you're super well your husband and you definitely put
up at the fact that he shot his last like, hey,
you play detective for him? Do you get to live
happily ever after? On a beautiful, all expensive paification around

(57:19):
the world. The thing about the book Rebecca is the
husband maximum Gasola actively gaslights her the entire time by
not having a simple conversation and making her actively think
for a good reason that he is still tortured by
the thought of and love for his first wife. He
is a bad husband and those that cannot be. That

(57:42):
plot is also not compatible with like and he's a
Cairo adventured Yeah, it's a it's a unhappy ending. It's
intentionally like this woman like, yeah, it's gasolt the whole time,
and then she gets drawn in and then she's quote
unquote in love. But we're so far along in with
and we understand who this man is and who she

(58:04):
is that we know it's not real and that it's
a trap and that it's bad, and now she's stuck
with him forever. The other thing that really bothered me
about it was the choice of the narration in the
beginning in the end, because it felt like such a cheat. A.
But B if you're going to do it, then just
have narration the whole fucking time, because like, then, just

(58:26):
let's be with her. Let's be with her and understand
her point of view, instead of it being like so,
dear reader, like my dear audience, here's how this story ends.
Like it just felt like a weird fairy tale ending.
So what you're saying is you wanted a fleabag breaking
of the fourth wall throughout the entire movie. I would
love that people who wrote this movie listen to this

(58:52):
second and take all of our good suggestions like putting
Judy Greer in there and breaking the fourth wall and
is redo the whole thing, Rebecca, It would be a
fun mate wild and let's see what happened, you know, Melissa,

(59:17):
when you were quoting the very last line. I also
love that this Mrs de Winter chose like we walked
through fire. No, that you through the murder. Murder is
the thing that you are working through. They literally did
not want to was on fire. The maids walked through fire.

(59:41):
Her active choices and I'm putting all this in quotes
as a strong female protagonist. At the end, her frantic
little drive to the doctors totally pointless because the second
they opened those folders they know she has cancer. If
the movie really wanted to commit to that, it would
be the she opened the things, saw that Rebecca was pregnant,

(01:00:02):
and like destroys it. At least that is committing to
this choice. This is like weird and passive, but that's
like for a different But they're trying to move, They're
trying to make it, but have it both ways of
like having it be oh, yes he did murder her,
but also we love them for it. Like it's just

(01:00:23):
like what are they good or bad? Like what are
you trying to say? I have a question, Yes, a
logistical question. All right, So house burns down, sad sad, cry, cry,
All the maids are out of work? What are they
going to do? Set that aside for a second. Focus
on the rich home. You don't care about them, they're
not people. Focus on the rich, hot protagonists. They have

(01:00:47):
now gone to travel the world looking for a new,
permanent home together, free from the specter of Rebecca. Okay,
I don't agree with that life choice, but understand it
in the context of the film. But where is ster
de Winter getting his money? Because my understanding was that
he had generational wealth that was invested in the house
and the estate, and that all of the money came

(01:01:08):
from like in downtown Abbey. How they have the estate
and there are people that rent, and there are farms
and things like that. Like that's my understanding of estates
based on doubt Nabbey. How they travel into Cairo where
they get Cairo money, I will say, based on my
limited historical research or knowledge, Actually those houses are often
very very expensive and upkeep and if you all have

(01:01:29):
to now yeah, and so that's like why they tore it.
So actually, if you have generational wealth, it's and you
want to keep your generational wealth, those houses hemorrhage money
where like actually it is smarter to like burn it
down or sell it or get rid of it and
just have the money. So shoot, did them because starting
it insurance? They did? They get insurance money? Yeah? Someone

(01:01:53):
arson that not them. They weren't even there, yeah for
them not Yeah, they didn't walk through fire. And then
they're going to do to Cleveland Beauty. Financially, it's a
great decision for them. Those houses are huge money sucks
and and actually like a drain on wealthy family's income.

(01:02:14):
Um yeah, yeah, And now they're gonna I guess be
in Cairo, even though the whole point of Maximum de Winter,
Sorry I'm rant again is that he is a boring
bad guy who was provoked to murder his wife, and
he is boring and wants a wife who will not
challenge him in any way. And now, good for you second,
Mrs de Winter, you get to read to him in

(01:02:34):
a beige hotel room. M hmm. Yeah, it's like a
no exit sort of ending. Yeah. Yeah, Rebecca was literally
killed and now the seconds you're slowly dying for you know,
foreable feature with her husband who doesn't who doesn't love her?

(01:02:55):
You are either literally or metaphorical by the patriarch. Yes, well,
I like Beatrice. I would say she lost a little
bit of her bite from the book and from the
first movie. But she was the only woman helping woman
that made sense to me. Where she was like, let's

(01:03:15):
just get you in a new dress. You're gonna go
back down there. You are not gonna let somebody trick
you into leaving your own party that you planned. You're
a big girl, so put on your big girl nightgown
and go downstairs. Very ugliest. Let's put you in the
ugliest we ever seen. It was a costume party. So

(01:03:38):
I think that they were like, it's it's ugly costume.
She's ugly costume. It did feel very um, very like
a girl's in a bathroom, you know, like one of
them is crying. It's like, all right, let's get that
eyeliner effects and then you're just gonna go out and
funk your ex boyfriend who cares that he's with today

(01:03:59):
you you forget about Steve. Steve can go to hell
and you can have a great time with Meredith, and
you're gonna have a great time with me. I just
picked names out of the hat. I don't know. Meredith
are no the immediate support network of drunk women. Yeah,
that's the best, and I can. We spent a lot

(01:04:21):
of time ragging on the women supporting women of this film,
and it's because it felt an authentic and out of place,
not because of that idea is something we are again.
But I just I think that that was the one instant,
the most word all women supporting in the montage. If
it's turned otherwise, get it out of our money, Well

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you don't. If you're friends with every single other woman,
that's really true, shared experiences and like usually they don't
try to practice suicide and then be their friends. So yeah,
if they're cold, imposing monsters bitches to you, you don't
have to have a fun party montage. Yeah. A part

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of felinism is not having being forced to like every woman. Yes, yes,
And I think she should have stuck to her guns
with firing Mrs Danvers. She should be like, you know what,
it's very nice that you have this remorse. Now take
that to your new job. Yeah, it's an easy firing too,

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Like I just have my own people, like people I
have a relationship with, and I really think that they're
going to be able to run the house away. I
see it being run. I'm so mad that they had
her try to fire Mrs Danvers because the whole point
is that she's too insecure exactly know how to run
up this massive estate, which is huge, and then to

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know like, oh maybe all like house masters are like this,
like you know, maybe I'm just being too sensitive, like
she's a little insecure mouse. Yeah, Mrs she is not
of her she is no, I mean, she is not
hashtag girl boss. Yes, grandma, but she's never seen down
to Abbey, so she doesn't know you, we don't know

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what year this takes place, so we actually do not
know she's never seen down Navvy End where they were,
like here, where are I mean? And I'm not saying
that you have to hit us over the head with
what year it was. I do know that they did
have the invitation for the Maskball from Rebecca in so

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I think that was supposed to ground us, but also
just kind of it felt maybe because I don't know
enough about fashion and what clothes would have been in
style in a specific year, including this one, because I'm
bad at fashion. But eight was the year of the
mustard suit. But like I kind of wanted to know

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when it's Mrs de Winter's or second Mrs de Winter's outfit,
and I was like, oh, I just saw that on
and other stories like that's how I wasted pant and blouse.
I know that. Look, I know a lot more pants
than I thought she would. But she's supposed to wear

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only Uly skirts. She's not. Yeah, both literally and metaphorically,
she wore a lot of pants that we weren't expected. Look,
I think if they did, the inevitable story from Rebecca's
perspective that I pretty play surprise doesn't already exist. Lily
tanks would have been a great person to playback. She
could have worn lots of pants and written ran about

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horses and strike and a lot of girl power montashas
with Mrs Stanfords, Jennifer, I feel like you have your
next book. Oh I mean wow, um talk somebody hasn't
done up. I think would be a great Rebecca. And
Rebecca is Rebecca Hall. Oh, Rebecca's Rebecca because she's very tall.

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Got that person explain her to me. I know her
because in the movie Starter for ten she plays the
first Jewish British girl I saw in the movie when
I was a kid. Yeah, she was in thick Christina Barcelona. Okay,

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she sounds lovely. You think she would go, Oh, she's
in she's very confident that what I know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
I got her and she's British. Something something I wrote
down when I watched the movie is that Maxim was like, Oh,

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you wanted to see the world, so come with me
to Manderley And I'm like, that's literally just her house. Yeah.
That is the craziest most straight white man thing I've
ever heard anyone say you wanted to see the world,
come to my house? Like can you imagine getting that
text at two in the morning from a dude named
like Chad, just like, hey, I know you said you
wanted to see the world. I got a place for

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you to start drop that stuff. Yeah, mm hmm. It's well.
I will say I thought he did a pretty good
British accent sounded. I was not bothered by his British accent.
It seemed fairly inoffensive to me. Good job, I forgot

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he wasn't British. Yeah, I guess I did too. On
that note, good job Hammer, You're you're doing your best.
Jen You're making a face that it wasn't a good
British accent. But here's what I want to say. Counterpoint,
Peter Dinklig in all of Game of films, like, there
are some middling British accents, and Armie Hammers was like,

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not great, he didn't I didn't think he was British.
I wasn't like, oh yes, British actor Armie Hammer, but
when he was talking, it wasn't like, yo, that's an Americ.
See I also a fantasy show. It's like a rich
I have fucking dragons. Are you going to say? Well,

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I was gonna say I forgive just fine British accent
from an American because we are constantly bombarded by British
actors who went to fucking Rada who are like, I
know how to do a Southern accent, no problem, and
everyone's like, oh wow, this wonderful British woman can do
a accent from Georgia. It's perfect and that's never right.

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But it is hard to accents and they're like, how
dare you touch the RP when they when Americans try
to do it, like he was fine, you get enough
to like make make it not a problem. It was
the least defensive, very offensive movie. Again, thank you for

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listening to Popcorn Book Club from Dana di Schwartz, Karamada,
Ti de Tran, Jennifer dr Wright, and Melissa D. Hunter
Like a good sign up. I'm Danis Schwartz and you
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