May 31, 2022 • 47 mins
Summer is nearly here so Gam sat down with travel expert Glo Atanmo to find out how to become a better packer, what to look out for when traveling solo, and hear what the go-to spots are for upcoming vacations.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
What's up, everybody. I'm Gammy and this is Positively Gam.
As many of you know, I love to travel, especially
just hanging out and chilling at the beach. There's a
lot about traveling I don't know, though, and wanted to
have a travel expert on the show to learn where
the best destinations are, how to get cheap travel rates,
and to find out where I should be visiting. So
(00:32):
let's get into the episode. I'm so excited to introduce
Glow ATNMO. She's a travel entrepreneur and creative educator, venturing
to over ninety one countries across six continents and telling
the stories of destinations around the world. She's the host
of the Glow Show podcast and the founder of the
(00:53):
Social Educators Academy, where she helps people leverage their social
platforms to make a difference and make a living doing
what they love. She also has written an e book,
From Excuses to Excursions, How I Started Traveling the World,
in which she talks about everything that has led up
to where she is today. Welcome to Positively Gam. Glow
(01:14):
so glad to have you on. Thank you gam for
having me. Cheers from BALI. I'm so excited to be
on and talking to you today. Yes, we're excited to
have you. I actually grew up traveling with my parents,
and my parents who were traveling, and they felt like
travel and your traveling experiences and your education is something
(01:35):
that no one can ever take from you. So I
learned to love traveling. What sparked your interest in travel?
I love that, And yet what an honor that your
parents were able to expose you to the beauty of
travel at such a young age. For me, I always
grew up thinking, oh, what my parents told me, this
is the way the world works, and even culturally, oh
(01:57):
the American way is the way. And you trouble and
then you learn that and you find out that's not
quite the truth, and then it's no longer about right
versus wrong. It's just different. Like so many things that
we think about the world, the ways that we live
in this world, it's not a matter of right or wrong.
It's just different. And that difference humbled me. Is just different. Yeah, yeah,
(02:21):
I agree with you. One. It gives you an opportunity
to really see and experience and understand different cultures, and
it teaches you to just be tolerant like Americans I
think are really elitist in that attitude where you know
everything that we do is the best, and there are
(02:43):
people that are quite happy where they are in their
own country with their own cultures, and of course we
have some freedoms and um perfectly happy being here, but
it is wonderful to experience other cultures. My first out
of the country experience was in Jamaica. What was your
(03:03):
first out of the country travel experience, Oh, Mines, wasn't
as exotic. It was the UK so London, okay, I
was twenty two. It was actually the study abroad And
funny enough, I was not a drinker, Like I never
drink alcohol, and then when I learned i'd be study abroad,
I was like, oh British, I heard they're big drinkers,
(03:24):
and I have to represent America, so let me start drinking.
I can keep up with the pub culture. So literally
that is that was like why I started drinking alcohol,
just to be able to represent America well around the world.
Oh that's hilarious, hilarious, sad, Oh my goodness, that's funny.
(03:45):
What kind of things do you think older people should
look for when picking a travel destination. Yeah, so I
think one of the biggest things that people fear in general,
no matter what their age, is the language barrier. So
I would recommend like a place where it's either English
is the first language or English is the second or
third language, and so most people can speak it, or
(04:07):
at least signs are in English. So I love Ireland
and Scotland for those reasons. But if you're looking for
something a little bit more exotic, Namibia is one of those.
Oh my goodness, if more people knew about it, because
I think in the African continent, South Africa is like
people's first stop, but Namibia it is so otherworldly, it
(04:28):
is so beautiful, and I think and it's so safe.
So I think people who are over forty, over fifty,
over sixty would really enjoy Safari's relaxation glamping in the desert. Wow.
Now I'm writing this down because that is not some place.
I've been to South Africa a couple of times, and
(04:48):
I've never thought about going to Namibia. Wow. And if
you could drive there from South Africa as well, I drove, yeah,
which is also an experience. Okay, okay, Now you are
currently in Bali, yeah, and I've read that you've been
there over thirty Times. What sparked your interests about Bali?
(05:08):
Now I've been to Bali too, so it is a
beautiful country and I definitely want to go back. But
what what is it that with Bali? You and Bali?
What's going on? It is this love affair that I
can't get enough of. Gam Um No. I think there
are certain places that you go to and it's just
they receive you with such warmth and every time I
(05:30):
come here, like I teared up walking through the airport
when I landed, especially after quarantine Indonesia closed their borders
and so I couldn't come here for over two years.
And I'm so connected to this island that it was
so emotional just walking through the airport because I was like, oh,
my goodness, these are my people, and I'm so connected
to this place that I started learning the language because
(05:50):
I come here and I take photos, I take memories,
I take souvenirs. So I'm like, let me learn the language.
That I'm meeting them halfway and they don't have to
translate to meet me halfway. It's like I'm showing reverence
and effects to the culture by just is welcome to Bali.
So I've been studying for seven months, um and it's
(06:10):
incredible now when I was there, I remember it is
being a very spiritual place. Is that has been that
your experience? Absolutely? I think Japan is my favorite country
in the world, but very close second is Indonesia and
Bali specifically because of that spiritual essence that you get.
(06:32):
And I always feel like the closer you are in nature,
the more present God is, and the quieter your soul
and your mind, the louder God could speak to you.
So I love being around nature. Like I wish I
could turn my camera around and just show you my
villa is surrounded in this lush greenery with in front
of my pool, so it's just and you can really
(06:52):
live like royalty here for a fraction of the price. Actually,
my girlfriends and I are trying to plan a trip
to Bali next. One of my girlfriends just retired and
we're very interested in going back to Bali just by
ourselves because our husbands typically don't like to travel those
long distances, which is fine, We're just going to leave
(07:14):
them home for this trip. But what are some of
the best hotels for us to stay at? Or you
said you're staying at a villa. Yeah, so tell us
where we should be staying and what we should be doing. Yes,
one of my favorite features. So this is not a
plug for Airbnb, but I have to plug them because
Airbnb has this new feature where if you go on
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their homepage, it says let your curiosity do the booking.
So that's what you're gonna click. It's like the second option.
Instead of typing the destination, just click on let your
curiosity to do the booking. Because when that happens, you
can now search for all of the incredible variety of
things that you have places that you can stay. So
if you want to stay in a castle, in a dome,
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in a private villa, on a private island, on a houseboat, like,
it'll bring up the most unique type of accommodations that
this island has to offer. So I recommend doing that
just to see the options that are out there, because
sometimes you don't know what you want until you see it.
You're like, oh, I want to stay in the dome
on top of a treehouse. You know, you can really
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just go on Airbnb and just search private villa and
you will just hundreds, if not thousands of options, And
I can you know personally send you my list off
the top of my head. I'm staying right now at
a place called Desa Hay, and it's in a small
village area called Mengwi, and that's near the Chonggu area,
which is a little bit west of the island or
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midwest of the island. But I stayed at well over
a hundred villas on this island alone, because I love
experiencing a different bantage point. Every three nights, I'm in
a different villa because I just want to experience as
many beautiful sceneries, as many gorgeous Balinese architecture. Look at
this custom door panel that leads to my restaroot. Everything
(09:00):
that's beautiful. Yeah, but it sounds exhausting, like okay, only
because I have to say. Let me just say, when
my parents traveled, they typically when they would traveled out
of the country, it was my mother. My poor father.
She dragged him around. All he wanted to do was
(09:22):
just he always wanted to go to Hawaii. He never
made it there. She took him to Russia, they went
to where else did they go? India? When they went
on trips, she went for knowledge and to experience the culture.
I just typically just want to go to relax, So
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I'm typically looking for a beach. Now. My husband, on
the other hand, he's the one that wants to go,
and he wants to go to ruins and experience historial
He's bored to death just being on the beach. What
I can't see myself doing. I'm not gonna do that.
I'm not gonna go somewhere and then pack up after
three nights and go stay someplace else, and stay there
(10:05):
for three nights and all my stuff up and go
someplace else. I'm exhausted just listening to you. I appreciate.
And the other thing I want to ask you too
is do you always travel alone? Oh? Yeah, so out
of like the countries, I would say seventy five or solo.
And here's the thing about traveling solo, because, as you mentioned,
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everyone has a different intention or reason why they want
to escape or just change up their day to day routine.
And so I think the intention guides might travel. And
so if I'm very conscious about I'm going to boy
this time for a creative sabbatical because I need a
new inspiration to bring back to my business, Like I
want that to be the only thing driving me forward.
(10:49):
I don't want to have to worry about maybe sitting
or catering to the needs of the group around me.
So it's very liberating to travel solo. But I also
think that, yeah, when you aren't travel with a group,
and let's say you're coming to Bali next year, have
a group intention. If you all have the same intention,
it'll be easier to make decisions on where you stay
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and what you do, and even have pockets of solo time.
Have a day if someone wants to go definitely a museum, Yeah,
let them do their thing. Someone wants a beach day,
let them. So I think it's all about we definitely
believe in that, Like everybody doesn't always have to do
everything together the whole vacation, you know, that's not a requirement.
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Like people want to break off and and do their
own thing and and have some time to themselves. So yeah,
I can definitely see that. Another thing I realized about
traveling solo is that I'm so much more approachable because
let's say I'm in a restaurant, and let's say it's
a very local restaurant. If I'm here with my friends,
I'm focusing on my friends. I'm with my family. I'm
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focusing on family. I'm present with them, and so maybe
I'm not as open to having a conversation with someone
who work there. But if I'm there solo, all of
a sudden, I become this fascination. I'm like, whoa. Everyone
wants to talk to me, everyone wants to approach me,
everyone wants to know, Wow, this black American with braids
is in my country. Who are you a celebrity? What
did we do to deserve you to sit at our restaurant.
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It's just they roll out the red carpet because they
feel like you must be someone special to be here solo,
and just because I'm also a very colorful dresser, so
they just assume, Oh, Serena Williams is someone I've been
mistaken for in many countries. Yeah, which is funny. I
think they just see a black person and they're like, oh,
she's and she's black. Yeah. So it's just very interesting.
(12:42):
What particular sits do we need to see when we
travel to Bali. Yeah, So again going back to the intention,
if you want a little bit of adventure, I always
love recommending the Monkey Forest because you will never get
the same experience because monkeys are so unpredictable. You will
see them hump in front of you. You'll see them
steal someone's phone, they'll throw food. Okay, I'm already cringing
(13:07):
at the thought, but go ahead. I'm not a fan
of monkeys. Just okay, we're gonna go ahead the monkey forest.
We're gonna We're gonna stay. No moving. Next, Okay, there's
a place. My thing is I always travel to experience
something that I can't at home, and so my goal
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is always to do the most adventurous and exotic things,
and you won't find that at home. But I would
say near that area it's called near there is this
place called tag Alt along rice patties, and that is
the quintessential Balinese rice patty view and just trekking among
those rice patties. It's a very easy trek, like maybe
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takes ten minutes just to get to the view spot.
But it's beautiful, and I think that's great to get
the quintessential. I've been to Bali photo and then of
course there's dozens of waterfalls throughout the lands, so I
think you definitely have to go to a waterfall and
just experience the serenity in that environment. I went there
when I went with my daughter for Mother's Day one year,
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and I think we we did the rice patties and
waterfall and we did white water rafting as well. That
sounds fun. I've never done that here. How about the
Bally Swing. Are you familiar with the Bally Swing? Uh? No, okay,
So basically in the middle of the jungle anywhere in
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ubud there's probably seven or eight now, but you can
go on this swing. And the swing is a attached
to to really tall coconut trees. So again it sounds
very sketch, but it's the travel way. You just have
to trust that this is gonna hold me up. But
you swing into this gorgeous view. It's in the middle
of the jungle and I can send photos to Irene
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and just to send to you, but it's really just
one of those I can't get this view at home
and oh my goodness, this world is so beautiful, like
you have those moments when you're on it. Wow. That
sounds exciting. Yeah. And the last recommendation, yeah, um is
past temple. It's a little towards the north, but it's
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like this holy temple and it's surrounded by a lake.
It's beautiful. It's just it's a place to appreciate Balinese architecture.
Indonesia itself is a majority Muslim country, but the island
of Bali is majority Hindu, and so you see a
lot of Hindu temples, Hindu statues, And even though I'm
a Christian, I can always appreciate another religion. I can
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appreciate other customers cultures. So it's a really serene place
as well to just appreciate Balanese traditions. Now, tell us
some of the dudes, and don't we need to think
about We've all seen the movie Take It. What do
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we need? What do we need to be careful about
when we're traveling to these two foreign countries. My biggest
thing especially at airports, because I think airports that's the
place where you can easily be identified as a target,
as like someone who's clueless. So, depending on the country, taxis.
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Taxi drivers can be the most aggressive type of people
in every country because it's that's a dog eat dog world.
It's scrappy. They're literally fighting their income against hundreds of
other taxi drivers, so they will push and not push physically,
but the badger and like aggressively want to sell you know,
I can tell you I can take you, and so
you cannot the minute you land and you're like going
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towards the exit. You need to look like the most
confident person and you need to walk with a purpose.
Do not walk looking around, huh, where is my driver?
Where is the taxi? Right? Get your luggage? Walk out
with the purpose like I've been here before. I am
not a tourist. Listen, I'm here to meet friends. Oh
there you are. Point at someone random with a purpose,
because the minute you look confused, you are a target
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to be taken advantage of. And as unfortunate as that is,
people especially after the pandemic, are so desperate for cash,
so they're just looking for anyone that looks like they
could be easily manipulated. So how would we get a taxi?
Then it advanced. Is that something that we need to
arrange with the villa that where we're staying. Absolutely, so
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anytime you book that first, if you're staying at the
same villa the whole time, like always ask and request
for transportation services and request them to be specific about
where you meet. They'll usually say okay, once you exit,
you're going to make a left and we'll be standing
there with a sign with your name on it. Yes.
And I always think as well, if you can take
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the extra effort to learn five to ten words in
the local language, just in case, like someone is trying
to badger you. But if you can just like, like,
one word in Indonesian is suda, and so that means
I already have. So if I'm walking and I could
just be walking on to the market somewhere, and of course,
like motorbikes and taxi drivers are slowing down and be walking,
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they think that I need a ride, and so I'm like, oh,
And as soon as I say that, they're like, oh,
she not only doesn't mean us, but she said it
in my language, and so they're quick to leave me alone.
But if I go no, they're like, oh are you sure? No, miss,
just tell me where you live and I can help you.
I'm like, suda, Suda will shut them up and leave
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leave me. So just five five words five or ten
words of the basics, please, yes, no, thank you, whine.
What are some of the good apps that you could
um download if you don't speak the language. Oh, I
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guess well, Google translates such a and that's for any country. Yeah.
I think Google Translate is if you can download, like
you can have an offline dictionary, so of the download
the full dictionary offline of the language that you need.
That way, even if you don't have wifire Internet, you
can always pull up any type of translation that you need.
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Are there certain countries that you um would suggest that
that are safer like you already mentioned Namibia? Yeah, and
obviously badly because you've been there thirty sometimes are there
other countries that you would recommend for particularly for single women,
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not even necessarily older women like myself, but just for
single women who want to travel by themselves. Absolutely. I
have three that immediately come to mind. But first as Japan.
There's a reason it's my favorite country in the world. Japan.
I think not only do they live ten to twenty
years in the future, but there's something about them culturally
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where they are oh communally respectful and my favorite thing
I think the first my first sign of like how
they are as people is I'm in the airport and
there's two lines for going through to check in, and
one line is says if you're in a rush and
you have less than fifteen minutes. Here's the speedy line.
You can come to this line. And then there's the
other line that says, here's the standard line. There was
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a hundred people in the standard line, nobody in the
urgent line. And it goes to show that they are
so honorable. No one's cheating the system. You take the
bus and there's a sign that says, please keep your
phone on silent to respect the zen of your neighbors
around you. I'm like, listen, if you don't come on,
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I don't know nothing about that. Are okay? So, and
one time I was looking for I think a bus
station or a train station, and I asked someone if
they could help me. Not only did they like point
me to where it was, they walked me there. I
was like, I don't deserve you. So Japan is not
only incredibly safe, but people are so kind. They don't
accept tips like I try. I tipped someone at a
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restaurant and they chased after me with the money. It's
their honor to serve. They don't do it for the
extra tip. So Japan first and foremost. My second recommendation
is Norway. Scandinavian country is also are very futuristic. Norway
is the north of European area, so you want to
make sure you're going there in the summer because it
can get cold if you're there in the winter. But
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it's incredible. Solo traveled there for two weeks and I
rented a car and I just drove around the entire
country and if I got lost, I would just pull up,
pull over and someone would help me. They're like, oh,
just follow me ten minutes this way. And there's this
inherent like your gut, your intuition is the best thing
that you can have when you're traveling, and you can
feel when I don't trust this, but I never there,
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and there's just this I don't know if it's the
way they're raised or just them culturally as people, but
some countries just you just have this innate trust because
of who they are and how they act. So normal
would be number two, and then Scotland would be number three.
I absolutely love Scottish people. I love Scotland, and that's
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a country I've been to over ten times. Just incredible, banter, incredible.
They also are kind of big drinkers, so that they're
just fun people. I I no longer drink, but it's
just always great to be around people that just know
how to let loose and banter and communicate with you. Now,
as a woman of color, did you have any challenges
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traveling in some of these countries. Let's just be real.
Let's let's go there. Let's go there. So I was
about I was nine years nomadic. I've been like nine years.
I lived out of a suitcase and traveled full time.
So in those nine years, in the beginning, I was
going to a lot of like familiar countries like Spain
and France, and I was like, oh, it's cool. And
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then the further east I went, like Eastern Europe. That's
when I started to have more in just seen experiences.
I will say the most negative experiences I've ever had
probably happened in Prague, Czech Republic Um and then in
Real Njanio, Brazil, which is unfortunate. So in Prague what
happened exactly, So those experiences are very different. But in Prague,
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I actually I was like not that it mattered how
I was dressed, but you know, it was colder, so
I was wearing a trench coat and I'm just walking
minding my business. And the first like strange thing I
noticed is there was a couple walking in the opposite direction,
but the wife or the girlfriend got her husband's head
and turned it around like away from me, and I'm
just I just noticed it, like casually. I was like, huh, okay, what.
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I don't know what that was about. I continue walking.
A car slows down and spits at me. It doesn't
land on me, but it like lands towards my feet,
and it's like this sign of what are you doing here?
We don't want you here. And I later learned that
there were a lot of like African prostitutes that were
trafficked in that area, and so they lumped me in
that category and assumed I'm there to sleep with local
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men to make a living, and that was really There
were restaurants that wouldn't serve me, and they made it
very obvious, like no, no no, we don't want you here.
And that was tough. So I ended up staying in
my hostel the whole time and I just cried until
it was time to go. And then in Brazil it
was also It's interesting because when we look at like
slave history, like in between the America's, it was actually
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Brazil that imported the largest amount of Brazil and so
the colorism issue there is so right. And I was
there doing a campaign and working with a brand. They
put me in this really nice hotel and by the
time I landed, it was about midnight, so I go
straight to bed, I check and go to bed. The
next morning, I'm there for breakfast and I'm just eating
and a lady comes to me, like works there, speaking
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at me in Portuguese, speaking to me in Portuguese, yelling
at me and telling me to leave, and again again.
Because I learned some of the words, I'm like, Anni,
follow Portuguese and we'll follow. I don't follow. I don't
speak like I'm sorry, I don't know what you're saying.
But I can tell that she's angry, and she's, oh, no, falla,
no falla. And then she goes to the reception and
then she sees that I'm actually a paying guest, but
she thought I was there soliciting customers again, assuming that
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I'm a sex worker and trying to find customers. So
that image or that assumption is right in some countries.
And before they hear me like I'm black, first, then
they're assumed I'm African. Then they assume I'm a prostitute,
and then it's oh, when I speak, oh, she's American,
and then she's a tourist. So there's all these layers
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of subconscious judgments that people can make before I even
get a chance to open my mouth and say who
I am. So that that is really unfortunate, But I
would say it makes up less than five of my
travel experiences. That's good. What are the hot spots to
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visit around the world right now? I've been to some
of the world's wonders. I've been to four of them.
Come on, yeah, I've been to I've been to the
Great Wall of China. I've been to Chitsanitsa in Mexico.
I've been to the Great Pyramids in Egypt and the
Colosseum in Italy. Nice. Nice, nice, Okay. When I think
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of it places, I'm gonna say countries, because the first
one that comes to mind is Sri Lanka. Now, Sri
Lanka is not a place exactly, it's the They call
it the tear drop of India, so it's right underneath
the country of India. So it has the rich and
vibrant culture of India. But it looks like Bali. So
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and for me, it has the best of both worlds
because it's so culturally rich the food, but with Sri
Lankan cuisine, my goodness, you would think it's like a
black grandma in the kitchen my back. There so many flavors.
I'm like, yes, so I love Sri Lanka. And there
were so many beautiful exchanges that I had with young women,
like teenage women. They would come up to me because
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I'm there solo traveling, and they would look at my
skin and they would compare it to theirs. They're like, wow,
it's it's beautiful. So you're also brown. They could they
could recognize that we shared the same skin tone, but
that I was a different ethnicity, and they would just
be like beautiful, Oh like me beautiful, And I'm like, yes, beautiful, Yes, Yeah.
That must have felt really good. Yes, because the skin
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whitening creams that you see line the shelves of Asia,
no doubt it affects a lot of the psyche of
the women there, So I think they were really excited
to see beauty reflected in a different way in another
dark skinned women. Yeah. Another place I would say is Granada.
I think if you're looking for places that's a little
bit shorter distance from the US. Granada I think has
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the best food, kindest people, most beautiful beaches um in
the Caribbean. I just I found it to be such
a country of surprises. It's so I think when you
go to the Caribbean St. Lucia, Jamaica, you have the
places that most people flocked to because it's like common
and well known. But Granada took me by surprise. And
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that's a place where I'm like, I wouldn't mind going
there every summer every year. So yeah, Grenada. Wow. What
about Turks and Caicos. I've not been there before, but
I heard that they had the best beaches. It's still
a little underdeveloped, so there's not a lot to do
their other than beach. I heard that their beaches are fabulous.
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That is very true. Turks and Caicos. I don't think
water gets more blue or turquoise or I mean, Turks
and Maldives probably have the most beautiful water I've ever seen.
I'm like, God, okay, showing out like beautiful. But like
you mentioned, you have to go there for strictly to relax.
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Because I didn't find it to be I didn't have
much to do and so I'm just on the beach reading.
But I don't mind that it wasn't a very adventurous trip,
but it was great for real. It wasn't Yeah, that
was how I felt about the Maldis. It it was. Yeah,
it was just a very relaxing trip. But I was
glad that I went, and I would definitely go back
if I was looking. And I want to mention the
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Maldis really quickly because I think it is a honeymoon
destination that a lot of women wait to go with
their partner. And I would say I went um four
months after the pandemic started because I was one of
the only countries that was still open to Americans. And
I was like, I'd been four months locks in my apartment.
So I was like, Okay, I need water and I
need space and I need nature, and so I'm like,
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let me go somewhere in social distance, safely and by
the water. And the Maldis because it is so spread out,
there's so many islands, they were like social distancing, like
three villas in between each person, so we had a
lot of space. And I will say I'm really glad
that I went there solo because I think a lot
of women, especially, we wait for love and partners to
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create these memories. And if we were born alone, we're
gonna die alone. Let life not pass you by without
creating memories that are just for yourself. And I think
that's super important. That really is. I like that you
said that. What kind of tips and tricks do you
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have for how to be an efficient pack? Or I'm
getting better, but I typically do tend to overpack. What's
what kind of trips do you have? Do you fold
or do you roll? Listen? How about neither? How about
I stuff? And I sit in Isaiah and I feel
like the ultimate imposter. Tell you, I ain't got it.
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I ain't got the answers. Is that possible? The way
you travel, you got to have so when you The
first acting tip I have is I recommend carry on
only if you can. It is not worth. Here's the thing,
it's there are suitcases where okay, let's say you guys
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your twenty outfits out like you're like, okay, these are
the twenty outfits I want to bring, because Lord knows,
we bring twenty outfits, we wear three like that's how
it is. But bring an empty pillow case, empty out
of pillow case and then layer out or fold a
bunch of clothes and put it in the pillow case
and then kind of roll it down. So when you
bring that pillow case, like the flight attendant will think that, oh,
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this is just a pillow to sleep, but it actually
is carrying like a bunch of your clothes. But they
don't have to know that because you can bring a
pillowcase and it's not going to count as a carry on.
So you can actually have your two carry ons plus
your pillow case, and the pillowcase almost serves as a
third bag. That is sneaky. Can't too many people know
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this though, otherwise we're gonna get, you know, exposed. But
I've been doing this dam for years and I've never
been caught. Another thing that I try to do is,
let's say again, I'm like, man, I got like this
book or this camera. There's something that just can't fit
into my carry on, but I don't want to have
to check in this bag. What I'll do then is
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I'll go to the duty free inside of the airport
and I'll buy you something rundom like a box of
crackers and anything that can take up a lot of space.
Once I get that bag, or they give me the
duty free bag. I now have again a third carry on,
so I might give the crackers away, eat the crackers,
I don't know, throw it away. But now I have
a bag and I pretend I'll put like either a
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cushion or I'll put like the receipt on top. But
I empty out the duty free bag and I put
my actual belongings in it. So they see the duty
free bag and they think, oh, she just shopped at
the airport. It's no, this is the stuff that couldn't
fit inside on my suitcase. So you can do that too.
That's interesting because I had a friend that went to
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do but maybe it was because it was alcohol they
had to check it. Yeah, I think it's they do
that for alcohol or come. Yeah, but if you buy food,
like just buy like a craft cookies, they're not going
to check that. It's not a large purchase. But some
of my favorite suitcase brands I'll mention are Away Luggage Americans.
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Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen that Away brand and I
was going to check it out. You like that so durable.
I think they have a lifetime warranty. I think I've
had to switch it out once and maybe six years,
So I mean it's just it's worth the investment. People
see the price tad but it's like a suitcase is
like a lifetime investment. You're always gonna be to go
somewhere at some point, So I would say invest in
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a sturdy suitcase. So I love Away Luggage. Sam Tonight
is also great, and American Tourist or American Twister is
a little bit more affordable for people on a budget.
But I've had good experiences with those three brands. Last
thing I want to mention about what's a pack is
Extra Patients, Grace and Compact Ashion. There are a lot
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of people who are rusty. There are a lot of
countries that they're quarantine and their COVID regulations and protocols
are changing by the day, if not the week, and
so there's sometimes the airport and just it's chaos. And
even to come to Bolly this time around, there were
about eight things that you needed to check off, like
eight things that you needed to have insurance with twenty
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five thousand coverage blah blah blah. But there's it's a
very strict list, and there are a lot of people
that like you can see them get turned away. You
can see tears, you can see phone calls, you can
see anger, and so I've seen I've never seen airports.
It's almost turning into war zone. So many fights, so
many like fingers pointed at flight attendance, and it's just
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for my family, Like, how dare you term me with
so many scenes of just emotion? So pack extra patients,
grace and compassion because we're all still figuring things out
and a lot of things are changing, and it can
be a stressful time to travel if you are going
to a far away country, so just be mindful of that.
So do you feel like it's best to book with
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a travel agent who can apprise you of all of
these different rules and regulations and things that you need
to have in order to get in and out of
the country. That's a great question. And when I think
about travel agents, I'm sure they've been out of work
for a couple of years, so it would be great
to support travel agents business. But if you are someone
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that like you don't mind doing research, you are meticulous
and looking up things like for me, coming this round,
I think I took about two days to to fact
check about twenty different sources. Okay, this is what this
website says, but the government site says this, let me
check these forums. So for me, it was almost like
a game. I was like, let me see all the things,
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like I enjoy the process because it's for me. Travel
planning is a lot of the enjoyment of travel to
begin with, so someone like me, I enjoy it. But yeah,
if this is us full, I would absolutely say get
a travel agent. And if you don't, then it seems
like you have to check the government rags for your
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own country as well as a country that you're trying
to visit. Correct yes and no. So with the U. S.
Embassy and the travel dot gov page, they are quick
to put a country as like alarm four, alarm five,
and then I'll actually be in the country and I'm like, wait,
what I'm like, if any country should have the red banner,
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it's it's the country where there are killings and shootings
every single day. And it's just amazing the way the
US government categorizes the danger in other countries. And so
I would say, if you want to check them, feel free.
But almost every country is going to be a red flag,
Like I've checked them recently. And I'm like, wait, why
is Indonesia level four of like, don't go there. I'm like,
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I'm here and it's everything is fine. So it's there's
a lot of paranoia that the government's views. So I
would say I wouldn't even check the US government page.
I would check only the government page of where you're going,
because they'll have the most updated information US passport holders.
Here's what you need, here's what to have. So where
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should we look online for the best deals? Do you think? Yeah?
So I love sky Scanner. I've been using them probably
for a decade. So if you go to skyscanner dot
com and you start with your home airport in your
travel or in your searching or destination area, type in
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everywhere or there's an option that says everywhere, and what
that's gonna do. It's gonna show you the cheapest flights
from your home city to anywhere in the world. So
you're like, I wasn't even thinking of going to Peru,
but it's a one dollar flight to get there, so
I guess let's go to Peru. And a lot of
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my travel destinations, I would chase the deal, not the destination.
So I'm like I'm okay, I go to for under
two hundred dollars and I'm like, oh, Argentina, let's see
what's up. And so I would be going to like
wherever it was cheapest to get to and then going
from there. So yeah, I would say that Scott Scanner's
a great website for that. Is it a myth to
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purchase on a certain day is cheaper? Tuesday and Wednesdays
are historically the days where yeah, it's true, it's true,
it's true. Degree Tuesdays and Wednesdays if you can check
for yeah, book your fight on a Tuesday and Wednesday. Also,
make sure you are searching incognito because every time, let's say,
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if I go to Google on my regular browser and
I'm searching for travel deals to Spain, the cookies are
going to be collected now, and all of a sudden
you're gonna see ads for trips to Spain and Spanish
hotel else. But all that day it's being sold and
it's being passed around, and so you're gonna see like
the next day that you check, oh wow, why did
the flight increase fifty dollars, because it's like now the
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cookies have track that you are looking for a flight
to Spain, so it's going to keep raising the price.
But if you browse incognito exactly, it's so corrupt. Brows
incognito so that cookies aren't being collected. And then change
this sounds really bad, but change the country in the
top to a developing country rather than the US. Don't
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say that you're booking from the US because some of
these prices are based on the economy of the country.
So pretend that I'm in a different country, but I'm
actually booking it out of the US, and you'll see
that there's like a two price difference if they think
that you're booking from a different country. Yeah, she shook. Yeah,
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I'm trying to. I'm trying to figure that out. I'm
trying to figure out good to. It's an option on
the website, So if you're going on if you're on
like Google Flights, it'll say what country are you in,
what currency, and what language, So just go on the
top right. You can keep the currency as US dollars,
but pretend that you're in India and they'll adjust the
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flight to accommodate people in India that are traveling to
that country. Because if the flight prices won't be the
same based on the country that you're traveling from, So
so I have to act like I'm in India, Yes,
flying from Baltimore to really, oh my god, so corrupt.
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These are things you picked up and and my friends
would be like, hello, you just save me three on
this flight. I was like, you're welcome. It's just fun.
I just like to share. Okay, all right, now that
we're wrapping up, is there any other pieces of advice
or tidbits or any thing else, Any other jewels that
you need to drop on us before we get out
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of here. Yeah, whatever, whatever ideas, preconsumptions, assumptions that you
have about any country, any culture, I advise you to
book a trip there. And when I think about just
I've been thinking about death lately, and I don't want
it to sound morbid. Well, we'll get into that about
the book recommendation. I'm just like, man, life is so precious,
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and the moment you realize we're all dying more than
we're living, like, how are we spending our days? Are
we living as fully as possible? Are we taking advantage
of this beautiful world that we get to occupy while
we're here? Are we doing all the things that terrify us?
Are we being present? Are we just making memories of
loved ones? And so, my goodness, travel has opened my
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eyes and I feel so blessed and privileged to live
this life. And I know it's not everyone's dream a
travel full time, but one trip a year. Use those
vacation days. Stop thinking that you're gonna get a promotion
if you never use your vacation days. Listen, you know
your boss wants you to think that. But take time off.
You deserve the recuperation, you deserve the renewal. Travel such
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a beautiful gift. I see it and I hear it
as I'm talking to you, and I feel like I've
I've not done my due diligence here. I think I
need to to stretch out a little bit more, because
really I go on vacation sometimes two and three times
a year, but I only want to go to the beach.
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It drives my husband crazy, trust me. So I feel
like I definitely need to do better and I need
to expand my horizons a little bit. So it's been
a joy and a pleasure talking with you. Now it's
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time for the segment. Wouldn't you like to know what
book are you currently reading? Yes, so A Year to
Live by Stephen Levine has been so humbling and so
so sobering, And I'm just I'm embarking on a project
and I'm going to document it on social media soon.
But I'm going to act as if I have one
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year left of life and I'm gonna share the journey.
What would I do all the wrongs of the forgiveness
that I need to extend. I'm so scared because it's
it feels it feels like the most vulnerable journey I've
ever been on. But I think it's give me so
much healing and peace. So I'm excited. Wow, that sounds exciting.
I definitely would read that. Awesome. Yeah, what is the
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one thing you want to get off your chest? Let's see,
I'm gonna put it. In regards to travel, especially to
black people, I feel safe is outside of the country.
I know, with the racial reconciliation that we've been going
through over the last two years, there is nothing better
than feeling like you are human and you are worthy,
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and I get I feel like I don't have to
perform or audition for people's respect when I'm traveling, and
of course the five percent aside, like you are treated
like when you're seeing as human first in black second,
that it does something to you, and I want more
Black people to experience what that's like. Especially in the
Asian continent. It just feels like you're treated like royalty.
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So I would really just recommend more Black Americans travel. Now,
that's interesting. That is really interesting. You feel that more
in the Asian continent for sure? Wow. Interesting. Okay, what's
a model that you live by? Oh? I adapted this
from my ski instructor. I want skiing for the first
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time for New Year's Eve, and she said, glad you
love it or hate it? Oh lord, Actually it takes
a lot of I love being. Yeah, it's fun to
do things that humble you. Because I was a collegiate
basketball player, so I'm like, oh, I this what sport.
I got this. But yeah, it was tough. But one
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thing that she said is like glow, the person having
the most fun wins. Look out there, everyone falling, the
person having the most fun, they win. So that's my
model in life. The person having the most fun wins.
Love that that was awesome. It has been a joy
and a pleasure talking to you, Glow. We'll just have
to have you back on. Maybe I'll have you back
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on after we take our journey to Bali and we'll
let you know how that goes. Okay, Yes, I would
love to tell us our listeners where they can find
you on social media. Yeah, you can find me on
Instagram at Glow Graphics g l O Graphics, or my podcast,
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The Glow Show, anywhere you can find podcasts. Thanks so much, Glow,
We'll talk to you soon, my pleasure. Thank you so
much BYEGAM. Al right, bye bye. So my biggest takeaway
from this calmversation with Glow is if you can take
advantage of travel like just to experience the world and
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recognize that there is life outside of your neighborhood. And secondly,
don't forget your pillowcase. And that's our show for this
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What's up, everybody. I'm Gammy and this is Positively Gam.
As many of you know, I love to travel, especially
just hanging out and chilling at the beach. There's a
lot about traveling I don't know, though, and wanted to
have a travel expert on the show to learn where
the best destinations are, how to get cheap travel rates,
and to find out where I should be visiting. So
(00:32):
let's get into the episode. I'm so excited to introduce
Glow ATNMO. She's a travel entrepreneur and creative educator, venturing
to over ninety one countries across six continents and telling
the stories of destinations around the world. She's the host
of the Glow Show podcast and the founder of the
(00:53):
Social Educators Academy, where she helps people leverage their social
platforms to make a difference and make a living doing
what they love. She also has written an e book,
From Excuses to Excursions, How I Started Traveling the World,
in which she talks about everything that has led up
to where she is today. Welcome to Positively Gam. Glow
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so glad to have you on. Thank you gam for
having me. Cheers from BALI. I'm so excited to be
on and talking to you today. Yes, we're excited to
have you. I actually grew up traveling with my parents,
and my parents who were traveling, and they felt like
travel and your traveling experiences and your education is something
(01:35):
that no one can ever take from you. So I
learned to love traveling. What sparked your interest in travel?
I love that, And yet what an honor that your
parents were able to expose you to the beauty of
travel at such a young age. For me, I always
grew up thinking, oh, what my parents told me, this
is the way the world works, and even culturally, oh
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the American way is the way. And you trouble and
then you learn that and you find out that's not
quite the truth, and then it's no longer about right
versus wrong. It's just different. Like so many things that
we think about the world, the ways that we live
in this world, it's not a matter of right or wrong.
It's just different. And that difference humbled me. Is just different. Yeah, yeah,
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I agree with you. One. It gives you an opportunity
to really see and experience and understand different cultures, and
it teaches you to just be tolerant like Americans I
think are really elitist in that attitude where you know
everything that we do is the best, and there are
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people that are quite happy where they are in their
own country with their own cultures, and of course we
have some freedoms and um perfectly happy being here, but
it is wonderful to experience other cultures. My first out
of the country experience was in Jamaica. What was your
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first out of the country travel experience, Oh, Mines, wasn't
as exotic. It was the UK so London, okay, I
was twenty two. It was actually the study abroad And
funny enough, I was not a drinker, Like I never
drink alcohol, and then when I learned i'd be study abroad,
I was like, oh British, I heard they're big drinkers,
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and I have to represent America, so let me start drinking.
I can keep up with the pub culture. So literally
that is that was like why I started drinking alcohol,
just to be able to represent America well around the world.
Oh that's hilarious, hilarious, sad, Oh my goodness, that's funny.
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What kind of things do you think older people should
look for when picking a travel destination. Yeah, so I
think one of the biggest things that people fear in general,
no matter what their age, is the language barrier. So
I would recommend like a place where it's either English
is the first language or English is the second or
third language, and so most people can speak it, or
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at least signs are in English. So I love Ireland
and Scotland for those reasons. But if you're looking for
something a little bit more exotic, Namibia is one of those.
Oh my goodness, if more people knew about it, because
I think in the African continent, South Africa is like
people's first stop, but Namibia it is so otherworldly, it
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is so beautiful, and I think and it's so safe.
So I think people who are over forty, over fifty,
over sixty would really enjoy Safari's relaxation glamping in the desert. Wow.
Now I'm writing this down because that is not some place.
I've been to South Africa a couple of times, and
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I've never thought about going to Namibia. Wow. And if
you could drive there from South Africa as well, I drove, yeah,
which is also an experience. Okay, okay, Now you are
currently in Bali, yeah, and I've read that you've been
there over thirty Times. What sparked your interests about Bali?
(05:08):
Now I've been to Bali too, so it is a
beautiful country and I definitely want to go back. But
what what is it that with Bali? You and Bali?
What's going on? It is this love affair that I
can't get enough of. Gam Um No. I think there
are certain places that you go to and it's just
they receive you with such warmth and every time I
(05:30):
come here, like I teared up walking through the airport
when I landed, especially after quarantine Indonesia closed their borders
and so I couldn't come here for over two years.
And I'm so connected to this island that it was
so emotional just walking through the airport because I was like, oh,
my goodness, these are my people, and I'm so connected
to this place that I started learning the language because
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I come here and I take photos, I take memories,
I take souvenirs. So I'm like, let me learn the language.
That I'm meeting them halfway and they don't have to
translate to meet me halfway. It's like I'm showing reverence
and effects to the culture by just is welcome to Bali.
So I've been studying for seven months, um and it's
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incredible now when I was there, I remember it is
being a very spiritual place. Is that has been that
your experience? Absolutely? I think Japan is my favorite country
in the world, but very close second is Indonesia and
Bali specifically because of that spiritual essence that you get.
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And I always feel like the closer you are in nature,
the more present God is, and the quieter your soul
and your mind, the louder God could speak to you.
So I love being around nature. Like I wish I
could turn my camera around and just show you my
villa is surrounded in this lush greenery with in front
of my pool, so it's just and you can really
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live like royalty here for a fraction of the price. Actually,
my girlfriends and I are trying to plan a trip
to Bali next. One of my girlfriends just retired and
we're very interested in going back to Bali just by
ourselves because our husbands typically don't like to travel those
long distances, which is fine, We're just going to leave
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them home for this trip. But what are some of
the best hotels for us to stay at? Or you
said you're staying at a villa. Yeah, so tell us
where we should be staying and what we should be doing. Yes,
one of my favorite features. So this is not a
plug for Airbnb, but I have to plug them because
Airbnb has this new feature where if you go on
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their homepage, it says let your curiosity do the booking.
So that's what you're gonna click. It's like the second option.
Instead of typing the destination, just click on let your
curiosity to do the booking. Because when that happens, you
can now search for all of the incredible variety of
things that you have places that you can stay. So
if you want to stay in a castle, in a dome,
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in a private villa, on a private island, on a houseboat, like,
it'll bring up the most unique type of accommodations that
this island has to offer. So I recommend doing that
just to see the options that are out there, because
sometimes you don't know what you want until you see it.
You're like, oh, I want to stay in the dome
on top of a treehouse. You know, you can really
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just go on Airbnb and just search private villa and
you will just hundreds, if not thousands of options, And
I can you know personally send you my list off
the top of my head. I'm staying right now at
a place called Desa Hay, and it's in a small
village area called Mengwi, and that's near the Chonggu area,
which is a little bit west of the island or
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midwest of the island. But I stayed at well over
a hundred villas on this island alone, because I love
experiencing a different bantage point. Every three nights, I'm in
a different villa because I just want to experience as
many beautiful sceneries, as many gorgeous Balinese architecture. Look at
this custom door panel that leads to my restaroot. Everything
(09:00):
that's beautiful. Yeah, but it sounds exhausting, like okay, only
because I have to say. Let me just say, when
my parents traveled, they typically when they would traveled out
of the country, it was my mother. My poor father.
She dragged him around. All he wanted to do was
(09:22):
just he always wanted to go to Hawaii. He never
made it there. She took him to Russia, they went
to where else did they go? India? When they went
on trips, she went for knowledge and to experience the culture.
I just typically just want to go to relax, So
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I'm typically looking for a beach. Now. My husband, on
the other hand, he's the one that wants to go,
and he wants to go to ruins and experience historial
He's bored to death just being on the beach. What
I can't see myself doing. I'm not gonna do that.
I'm not gonna go somewhere and then pack up after
three nights and go stay someplace else, and stay there
(10:05):
for three nights and all my stuff up and go
someplace else. I'm exhausted just listening to you. I appreciate.
And the other thing I want to ask you too
is do you always travel alone? Oh? Yeah, so out
of like the countries, I would say seventy five or solo.
And here's the thing about traveling solo, because, as you mentioned,
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everyone has a different intention or reason why they want
to escape or just change up their day to day routine.
And so I think the intention guides might travel. And
so if I'm very conscious about I'm going to boy
this time for a creative sabbatical because I need a
new inspiration to bring back to my business, Like I
want that to be the only thing driving me forward.
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I don't want to have to worry about maybe sitting
or catering to the needs of the group around me.
So it's very liberating to travel solo. But I also
think that, yeah, when you aren't travel with a group,
and let's say you're coming to Bali next year, have
a group intention. If you all have the same intention,
it'll be easier to make decisions on where you stay
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and what you do, and even have pockets of solo time.
Have a day if someone wants to go definitely a museum, Yeah,
let them do their thing. Someone wants a beach day,
let them. So I think it's all about we definitely
believe in that, Like everybody doesn't always have to do
everything together the whole vacation, you know, that's not a requirement.
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Like people want to break off and and do their
own thing and and have some time to themselves. So yeah,
I can definitely see that. Another thing I realized about
traveling solo is that I'm so much more approachable because
let's say I'm in a restaurant, and let's say it's
a very local restaurant. If I'm here with my friends,
I'm focusing on my friends. I'm with my family. I'm
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focusing on family. I'm present with them, and so maybe
I'm not as open to having a conversation with someone
who work there. But if I'm there solo, all of
a sudden, I become this fascination. I'm like, whoa. Everyone
wants to talk to me, everyone wants to approach me,
everyone wants to know, Wow, this black American with braids
is in my country. Who are you a celebrity? What
did we do to deserve you to sit at our restaurant.
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It's just they roll out the red carpet because they
feel like you must be someone special to be here solo,
and just because I'm also a very colorful dresser, so
they just assume, Oh, Serena Williams is someone I've been
mistaken for in many countries. Yeah, which is funny. I
think they just see a black person and they're like, oh,
she's and she's black. Yeah. So it's just very interesting.
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What particular sits do we need to see when we
travel to Bali. Yeah, So again going back to the intention,
if you want a little bit of adventure, I always
love recommending the Monkey Forest because you will never get
the same experience because monkeys are so unpredictable. You will
see them hump in front of you. You'll see them
steal someone's phone, they'll throw food. Okay, I'm already cringing
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at the thought, but go ahead. I'm not a fan
of monkeys. Just okay, we're gonna go ahead the monkey forest.
We're gonna We're gonna stay. No moving. Next, Okay, there's
a place. My thing is I always travel to experience
something that I can't at home, and so my goal
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is always to do the most adventurous and exotic things,
and you won't find that at home. But I would
say near that area it's called near there is this
place called tag Alt along rice patties, and that is
the quintessential Balinese rice patty view and just trekking among
those rice patties. It's a very easy trek, like maybe
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takes ten minutes just to get to the view spot.
But it's beautiful, and I think that's great to get
the quintessential. I've been to Bali photo and then of
course there's dozens of waterfalls throughout the lands, so I
think you definitely have to go to a waterfall and
just experience the serenity in that environment. I went there
when I went with my daughter for Mother's Day one year,
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and I think we we did the rice patties and
waterfall and we did white water rafting as well. That
sounds fun. I've never done that here. How about the
Bally Swing. Are you familiar with the Bally Swing? Uh? No, okay,
So basically in the middle of the jungle anywhere in
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ubud there's probably seven or eight now, but you can
go on this swing. And the swing is a attached
to to really tall coconut trees. So again it sounds
very sketch, but it's the travel way. You just have
to trust that this is gonna hold me up. But
you swing into this gorgeous view. It's in the middle
of the jungle and I can send photos to Irene
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and just to send to you, but it's really just
one of those I can't get this view at home
and oh my goodness, this world is so beautiful, like
you have those moments when you're on it. Wow. That
sounds exciting. Yeah. And the last recommendation, yeah, um is
past temple. It's a little towards the north, but it's
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like this holy temple and it's surrounded by a lake.
It's beautiful. It's just it's a place to appreciate Balinese architecture.
Indonesia itself is a majority Muslim country, but the island
of Bali is majority Hindu, and so you see a
lot of Hindu temples, Hindu statues, And even though I'm
a Christian, I can always appreciate another religion. I can
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appreciate other customers cultures. So it's a really serene place
as well to just appreciate Balanese traditions. Now, tell us
some of the dudes, and don't we need to think
about We've all seen the movie Take It. What do
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we need? What do we need to be careful about
when we're traveling to these two foreign countries. My biggest
thing especially at airports, because I think airports that's the
place where you can easily be identified as a target,
as like someone who's clueless. So, depending on the country, taxis.
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Taxi drivers can be the most aggressive type of people
in every country because it's that's a dog eat dog world.
It's scrappy. They're literally fighting their income against hundreds of
other taxi drivers, so they will push and not push physically,
but the badger and like aggressively want to sell you know,
I can tell you I can take you, and so
you cannot the minute you land and you're like going
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towards the exit. You need to look like the most
confident person and you need to walk with a purpose.
Do not walk looking around, huh, where is my driver?
Where is the taxi? Right? Get your luggage? Walk out
with the purpose like I've been here before. I am
not a tourist. Listen, I'm here to meet friends. Oh
there you are. Point at someone random with a purpose,
because the minute you look confused, you are a target
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to be taken advantage of. And as unfortunate as that is,
people especially after the pandemic, are so desperate for cash,
so they're just looking for anyone that looks like they
could be easily manipulated. So how would we get a taxi?
Then it advanced. Is that something that we need to
arrange with the villa that where we're staying. Absolutely, so
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anytime you book that first, if you're staying at the
same villa the whole time, like always ask and request
for transportation services and request them to be specific about
where you meet. They'll usually say okay, once you exit,
you're going to make a left and we'll be standing
there with a sign with your name on it. Yes.
And I always think as well, if you can take
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the extra effort to learn five to ten words in
the local language, just in case, like someone is trying
to badger you. But if you can just like, like,
one word in Indonesian is suda, and so that means
I already have. So if I'm walking and I could
just be walking on to the market somewhere, and of course,
like motorbikes and taxi drivers are slowing down and be walking,
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they think that I need a ride, and so I'm like, oh,
And as soon as I say that, they're like, oh,
she not only doesn't mean us, but she said it
in my language, and so they're quick to leave me alone.
But if I go no, they're like, oh are you sure? No, miss,
just tell me where you live and I can help you.
I'm like, suda, Suda will shut them up and leave
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leave me. So just five five words five or ten
words of the basics, please, yes, no, thank you, whine.
What are some of the good apps that you could
um download if you don't speak the language. Oh, I
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guess well, Google translates such a and that's for any country. Yeah.
I think Google Translate is if you can download, like
you can have an offline dictionary, so of the download
the full dictionary offline of the language that you need.
That way, even if you don't have wifire Internet, you
can always pull up any type of translation that you need.
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Are there certain countries that you um would suggest that
that are safer like you already mentioned Namibia? Yeah, and
obviously badly because you've been there thirty sometimes are there
other countries that you would recommend for particularly for single women,
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not even necessarily older women like myself, but just for
single women who want to travel by themselves. Absolutely. I
have three that immediately come to mind. But first as Japan.
There's a reason it's my favorite country in the world. Japan.
I think not only do they live ten to twenty
years in the future, but there's something about them culturally
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where they are oh communally respectful and my favorite thing
I think the first my first sign of like how
they are as people is I'm in the airport and
there's two lines for going through to check in, and
one line is says if you're in a rush and
you have less than fifteen minutes. Here's the speedy line.
You can come to this line. And then there's the
other line that says, here's the standard line. There was
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a hundred people in the standard line, nobody in the
urgent line. And it goes to show that they are
so honorable. No one's cheating the system. You take the
bus and there's a sign that says, please keep your
phone on silent to respect the zen of your neighbors
around you. I'm like, listen, if you don't come on,
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I don't know nothing about that. Are okay? So, and
one time I was looking for I think a bus
station or a train station, and I asked someone if
they could help me. Not only did they like point
me to where it was, they walked me there. I
was like, I don't deserve you. So Japan is not
only incredibly safe, but people are so kind. They don't
accept tips like I try. I tipped someone at a
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restaurant and they chased after me with the money. It's
their honor to serve. They don't do it for the
extra tip. So Japan first and foremost. My second recommendation
is Norway. Scandinavian country is also are very futuristic. Norway
is the north of European area, so you want to
make sure you're going there in the summer because it
can get cold if you're there in the winter. But
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it's incredible. Solo traveled there for two weeks and I
rented a car and I just drove around the entire
country and if I got lost, I would just pull up,
pull over and someone would help me. They're like, oh,
just follow me ten minutes this way. And there's this
inherent like your gut, your intuition is the best thing
that you can have when you're traveling, and you can
feel when I don't trust this, but I never there,
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and there's just this I don't know if it's the
way they're raised or just them culturally as people, but
some countries just you just have this innate trust because
of who they are and how they act. So normal
would be number two, and then Scotland would be number three.
I absolutely love Scottish people. I love Scotland, and that's
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a country I've been to over ten times. Just incredible, banter, incredible.
They also are kind of big drinkers, so that they're
just fun people. I I no longer drink, but it's
just always great to be around people that just know
how to let loose and banter and communicate with you. Now,
as a woman of color, did you have any challenges
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traveling in some of these countries. Let's just be real.
Let's let's go there. Let's go there. So I was
about I was nine years nomadic. I've been like nine years.
I lived out of a suitcase and traveled full time.
So in those nine years, in the beginning, I was
going to a lot of like familiar countries like Spain
and France, and I was like, oh, it's cool. And
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then the further east I went, like Eastern Europe. That's
when I started to have more in just seen experiences.
I will say the most negative experiences I've ever had
probably happened in Prague, Czech Republic Um and then in
Real Njanio, Brazil, which is unfortunate. So in Prague what
happened exactly, So those experiences are very different. But in Prague,
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I actually I was like not that it mattered how
I was dressed, but you know, it was colder, so
I was wearing a trench coat and I'm just walking
minding my business. And the first like strange thing I
noticed is there was a couple walking in the opposite direction,
but the wife or the girlfriend got her husband's head
and turned it around like away from me, and I'm
just I just noticed it, like casually. I was like, huh, okay, what.
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I don't know what that was about. I continue walking.
A car slows down and spits at me. It doesn't
land on me, but it like lands towards my feet,
and it's like this sign of what are you doing here?
We don't want you here. And I later learned that
there were a lot of like African prostitutes that were
trafficked in that area, and so they lumped me in
that category and assumed I'm there to sleep with local
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men to make a living, and that was really There
were restaurants that wouldn't serve me, and they made it
very obvious, like no, no no, we don't want you here.
And that was tough. So I ended up staying in
my hostel the whole time and I just cried until
it was time to go. And then in Brazil it
was also It's interesting because when we look at like
slave history, like in between the America's, it was actually
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Brazil that imported the largest amount of Brazil and so
the colorism issue there is so right. And I was
there doing a campaign and working with a brand. They
put me in this really nice hotel and by the
time I landed, it was about midnight, so I go
straight to bed, I check and go to bed. The
next morning, I'm there for breakfast and I'm just eating
and a lady comes to me, like works there, speaking
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at me in Portuguese, speaking to me in Portuguese, yelling
at me and telling me to leave, and again again.
Because I learned some of the words, I'm like, Anni,
follow Portuguese and we'll follow. I don't follow. I don't
speak like I'm sorry, I don't know what you're saying.
But I can tell that she's angry, and she's, oh, no, falla,
no falla. And then she goes to the reception and
then she sees that I'm actually a paying guest, but
she thought I was there soliciting customers again, assuming that
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I'm a sex worker and trying to find customers. So
that image or that assumption is right in some countries.
And before they hear me like I'm black, first, then
they're assumed I'm African. Then they assume I'm a prostitute,
and then it's oh, when I speak, oh, she's American,
and then she's a tourist. So there's all these layers
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of subconscious judgments that people can make before I even
get a chance to open my mouth and say who
I am. So that that is really unfortunate, But I
would say it makes up less than five of my
travel experiences. That's good. What are the hot spots to
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visit around the world right now? I've been to some
of the world's wonders. I've been to four of them.
Come on, yeah, I've been to I've been to the
Great Wall of China. I've been to Chitsanitsa in Mexico.
I've been to the Great Pyramids in Egypt and the
Colosseum in Italy. Nice. Nice, nice, Okay. When I think
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of it places, I'm gonna say countries, because the first
one that comes to mind is Sri Lanka. Now, Sri
Lanka is not a place exactly, it's the They call
it the tear drop of India, so it's right underneath
the country of India. So it has the rich and
vibrant culture of India. But it looks like Bali. So
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and for me, it has the best of both worlds
because it's so culturally rich the food, but with Sri
Lankan cuisine, my goodness, you would think it's like a
black grandma in the kitchen my back. There so many flavors.
I'm like, yes, so I love Sri Lanka. And there
were so many beautiful exchanges that I had with young women,
like teenage women. They would come up to me because
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I'm there solo traveling, and they would look at my
skin and they would compare it to theirs. They're like, wow,
it's it's beautiful. So you're also brown. They could they
could recognize that we shared the same skin tone, but
that I was a different ethnicity, and they would just
be like beautiful, Oh like me beautiful, And I'm like, yes, beautiful, Yes, Yeah.
That must have felt really good. Yes, because the skin
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whitening creams that you see line the shelves of Asia,
no doubt it affects a lot of the psyche of
the women there, So I think they were really excited
to see beauty reflected in a different way in another
dark skinned women. Yeah. Another place I would say is Granada.
I think if you're looking for places that's a little
bit shorter distance from the US. Granada I think has
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the best food, kindest people, most beautiful beaches um in
the Caribbean. I just I found it to be such
a country of surprises. It's so I think when you
go to the Caribbean St. Lucia, Jamaica, you have the
places that most people flocked to because it's like common
and well known. But Granada took me by surprise. And
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that's a place where I'm like, I wouldn't mind going
there every summer every year. So yeah, Grenada. Wow. What
about Turks and Caicos. I've not been there before, but
I heard that they had the best beaches. It's still
a little underdeveloped, so there's not a lot to do
their other than beach. I heard that their beaches are fabulous.
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That is very true. Turks and Caicos. I don't think
water gets more blue or turquoise or I mean, Turks
and Maldives probably have the most beautiful water I've ever seen.
I'm like, God, okay, showing out like beautiful. But like
you mentioned, you have to go there for strictly to relax.
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Because I didn't find it to be I didn't have
much to do and so I'm just on the beach reading.
But I don't mind that it wasn't a very adventurous trip,
but it was great for real. It wasn't Yeah, that
was how I felt about the Maldis. It it was. Yeah,
it was just a very relaxing trip. But I was
glad that I went, and I would definitely go back
if I was looking. And I want to mention the
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Maldis really quickly because I think it is a honeymoon
destination that a lot of women wait to go with
their partner. And I would say I went um four
months after the pandemic started because I was one of
the only countries that was still open to Americans. And
I was like, I'd been four months locks in my apartment.
So I was like, Okay, I need water and I
need space and I need nature, and so I'm like,
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let me go somewhere in social distance, safely and by
the water. And the Maldis because it is so spread out,
there's so many islands, they were like social distancing, like
three villas in between each person, so we had a
lot of space. And I will say I'm really glad
that I went there solo because I think a lot
of women, especially, we wait for love and partners to
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create these memories. And if we were born alone, we're
gonna die alone. Let life not pass you by without
creating memories that are just for yourself. And I think
that's super important. That really is. I like that you
said that. What kind of tips and tricks do you
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have for how to be an efficient pack? Or I'm
getting better, but I typically do tend to overpack. What's
what kind of trips do you have? Do you fold
or do you roll? Listen? How about neither? How about
I stuff? And I sit in Isaiah and I feel
like the ultimate imposter. Tell you, I ain't got it.
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I ain't got the answers. Is that possible? The way
you travel, you got to have so when you The
first acting tip I have is I recommend carry on
only if you can. It is not worth. Here's the thing,
it's there are suitcases where okay, let's say you guys
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your twenty outfits out like you're like, okay, these are
the twenty outfits I want to bring, because Lord knows,
we bring twenty outfits, we wear three like that's how
it is. But bring an empty pillow case, empty out
of pillow case and then layer out or fold a
bunch of clothes and put it in the pillow case
and then kind of roll it down. So when you
bring that pillow case, like the flight attendant will think that, oh,
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this is just a pillow to sleep, but it actually
is carrying like a bunch of your clothes. But they
don't have to know that because you can bring a
pillowcase and it's not going to count as a carry on.
So you can actually have your two carry ons plus
your pillow case, and the pillowcase almost serves as a
third bag. That is sneaky. Can't too many people know
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this though, otherwise we're gonna get, you know, exposed. But
I've been doing this dam for years and I've never
been caught. Another thing that I try to do is,
let's say again, I'm like, man, I got like this
book or this camera. There's something that just can't fit
into my carry on, but I don't want to have
to check in this bag. What I'll do then is
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I'll go to the duty free inside of the airport
and I'll buy you something rundom like a box of
crackers and anything that can take up a lot of space.
Once I get that bag, or they give me the
duty free bag. I now have again a third carry on,
so I might give the crackers away, eat the crackers,
I don't know, throw it away. But now I have
a bag and I pretend I'll put like either a
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cushion or I'll put like the receipt on top. But
I empty out the duty free bag and I put
my actual belongings in it. So they see the duty
free bag and they think, oh, she just shopped at
the airport. It's no, this is the stuff that couldn't
fit inside on my suitcase. So you can do that too.
That's interesting because I had a friend that went to
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do but maybe it was because it was alcohol they
had to check it. Yeah, I think it's they do
that for alcohol or come. Yeah, but if you buy food,
like just buy like a craft cookies, they're not going
to check that. It's not a large purchase. But some
of my favorite suitcase brands I'll mention are Away Luggage Americans.
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Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen that Away brand and I
was going to check it out. You like that so durable.
I think they have a lifetime warranty. I think I've
had to switch it out once and maybe six years,
So I mean it's just it's worth the investment. People
see the price tad but it's like a suitcase is
like a lifetime investment. You're always gonna be to go
somewhere at some point, So I would say invest in
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a sturdy suitcase. So I love Away Luggage. Sam Tonight
is also great, and American Tourist or American Twister is
a little bit more affordable for people on a budget.
But I've had good experiences with those three brands. Last
thing I want to mention about what's a pack is
Extra Patients, Grace and Compact Ashion. There are a lot
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of people who are rusty. There are a lot of
countries that they're quarantine and their COVID regulations and protocols
are changing by the day, if not the week, and
so there's sometimes the airport and just it's chaos. And
even to come to Bolly this time around, there were
about eight things that you needed to check off, like
eight things that you needed to have insurance with twenty
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five thousand coverage blah blah blah. But there's it's a
very strict list, and there are a lot of people
that like you can see them get turned away. You
can see tears, you can see phone calls, you can
see anger, and so I've seen I've never seen airports.
It's almost turning into war zone. So many fights, so
many like fingers pointed at flight attendance, and it's just
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for my family, Like, how dare you term me with
so many scenes of just emotion? So pack extra patients,
grace and compassion because we're all still figuring things out
and a lot of things are changing, and it can
be a stressful time to travel if you are going
to a far away country, so just be mindful of that.
So do you feel like it's best to book with
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a travel agent who can apprise you of all of
these different rules and regulations and things that you need
to have in order to get in and out of
the country. That's a great question. And when I think
about travel agents, I'm sure they've been out of work
for a couple of years, so it would be great
to support travel agents business. But if you are someone
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that like you don't mind doing research, you are meticulous
and looking up things like for me, coming this round,
I think I took about two days to to fact
check about twenty different sources. Okay, this is what this
website says, but the government site says this, let me
check these forums. So for me, it was almost like
a game. I was like, let me see all the things,
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like I enjoy the process because it's for me. Travel
planning is a lot of the enjoyment of travel to
begin with, so someone like me, I enjoy it. But yeah,
if this is us full, I would absolutely say get
a travel agent. And if you don't, then it seems
like you have to check the government rags for your
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own country as well as a country that you're trying
to visit. Correct yes and no. So with the U. S.
Embassy and the travel dot gov page, they are quick
to put a country as like alarm four, alarm five,
and then I'll actually be in the country and I'm like, wait,
what I'm like, if any country should have the red banner,
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it's it's the country where there are killings and shootings
every single day. And it's just amazing the way the
US government categorizes the danger in other countries. And so
I would say, if you want to check them, feel free.
But almost every country is going to be a red flag,
Like I've checked them recently. And I'm like, wait, why
is Indonesia level four of like, don't go there. I'm like,
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I'm here and it's everything is fine. So it's there's
a lot of paranoia that the government's views. So I
would say I wouldn't even check the US government page.
I would check only the government page of where you're going,
because they'll have the most updated information US passport holders.
Here's what you need, here's what to have. So where
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should we look online for the best deals? Do you think? Yeah?
So I love sky Scanner. I've been using them probably
for a decade. So if you go to skyscanner dot
com and you start with your home airport in your
travel or in your searching or destination area, type in
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everywhere or there's an option that says everywhere, and what
that's gonna do. It's gonna show you the cheapest flights
from your home city to anywhere in the world. So
you're like, I wasn't even thinking of going to Peru,
but it's a one dollar flight to get there, so
I guess let's go to Peru. And a lot of
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my travel destinations, I would chase the deal, not the destination.
So I'm like I'm okay, I go to for under
two hundred dollars and I'm like, oh, Argentina, let's see
what's up. And so I would be going to like
wherever it was cheapest to get to and then going
from there. So yeah, I would say that Scott Scanner's
a great website for that. Is it a myth to
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purchase on a certain day is cheaper? Tuesday and Wednesdays
are historically the days where yeah, it's true, it's true,
it's true. Degree Tuesdays and Wednesdays if you can check
for yeah, book your fight on a Tuesday and Wednesday. Also,
make sure you are searching incognito because every time, let's say,
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if I go to Google on my regular browser and
I'm searching for travel deals to Spain, the cookies are
going to be collected now, and all of a sudden
you're gonna see ads for trips to Spain and Spanish
hotel else. But all that day it's being sold and
it's being passed around, and so you're gonna see like
the next day that you check, oh wow, why did
the flight increase fifty dollars, because it's like now the
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cookies have track that you are looking for a flight
to Spain, so it's going to keep raising the price.
But if you browse incognito exactly, it's so corrupt. Brows
incognito so that cookies aren't being collected. And then change
this sounds really bad, but change the country in the
top to a developing country rather than the US. Don't
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say that you're booking from the US because some of
these prices are based on the economy of the country.
So pretend that I'm in a different country, but I'm
actually booking it out of the US, and you'll see
that there's like a two price difference if they think
that you're booking from a different country. Yeah, she shook. Yeah,
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I'm trying to. I'm trying to figure that out. I'm
trying to figure out good to. It's an option on
the website, So if you're going on if you're on
like Google Flights, it'll say what country are you in,
what currency, and what language, So just go on the
top right. You can keep the currency as US dollars,
but pretend that you're in India and they'll adjust the
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flight to accommodate people in India that are traveling to
that country. Because if the flight prices won't be the
same based on the country that you're traveling from, So
so I have to act like I'm in India, Yes,
flying from Baltimore to really, oh my god, so corrupt.
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These are things you picked up and and my friends
would be like, hello, you just save me three on
this flight. I was like, you're welcome. It's just fun.
I just like to share. Okay, all right, now that
we're wrapping up, is there any other pieces of advice
or tidbits or any thing else, Any other jewels that
you need to drop on us before we get out
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of here. Yeah, whatever, whatever ideas, preconsumptions, assumptions that you
have about any country, any culture, I advise you to
book a trip there. And when I think about just
I've been thinking about death lately, and I don't want
it to sound morbid. Well, we'll get into that about
the book recommendation. I'm just like, man, life is so precious,
(41:29):
and the moment you realize we're all dying more than
we're living, like, how are we spending our days? Are
we living as fully as possible? Are we taking advantage
of this beautiful world that we get to occupy while
we're here? Are we doing all the things that terrify us?
Are we being present? Are we just making memories of
loved ones? And so, my goodness, travel has opened my
(41:51):
eyes and I feel so blessed and privileged to live
this life. And I know it's not everyone's dream a
travel full time, but one trip a year. Use those
vacation days. Stop thinking that you're gonna get a promotion
if you never use your vacation days. Listen, you know
your boss wants you to think that. But take time off.
You deserve the recuperation, you deserve the renewal. Travel such
(42:14):
a beautiful gift. I see it and I hear it
as I'm talking to you, and I feel like I've
I've not done my due diligence here. I think I
need to to stretch out a little bit more, because
really I go on vacation sometimes two and three times
a year, but I only want to go to the beach.
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It drives my husband crazy, trust me. So I feel
like I definitely need to do better and I need
to expand my horizons a little bit. So it's been
a joy and a pleasure talking with you. Now it's
(42:55):
time for the segment. Wouldn't you like to know what
book are you currently reading? Yes, so A Year to
Live by Stephen Levine has been so humbling and so
so sobering, And I'm just I'm embarking on a project
and I'm going to document it on social media soon.
But I'm going to act as if I have one
(43:16):
year left of life and I'm gonna share the journey.
What would I do all the wrongs of the forgiveness
that I need to extend. I'm so scared because it's
it feels it feels like the most vulnerable journey I've
ever been on. But I think it's give me so
much healing and peace. So I'm excited. Wow, that sounds exciting.
I definitely would read that. Awesome. Yeah, what is the
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one thing you want to get off your chest? Let's see,
I'm gonna put it. In regards to travel, especially to
black people, I feel safe is outside of the country.
I know, with the racial reconciliation that we've been going
through over the last two years, there is nothing better
than feeling like you are human and you are worthy,
(44:00):
and I get I feel like I don't have to
perform or audition for people's respect when I'm traveling, and
of course the five percent aside, like you are treated
like when you're seeing as human first in black second,
that it does something to you, and I want more
Black people to experience what that's like. Especially in the
Asian continent. It just feels like you're treated like royalty.
(44:22):
So I would really just recommend more Black Americans travel. Now,
that's interesting. That is really interesting. You feel that more
in the Asian continent for sure? Wow. Interesting. Okay, what's
a model that you live by? Oh? I adapted this
from my ski instructor. I want skiing for the first
(44:42):
time for New Year's Eve, and she said, glad you
love it or hate it? Oh lord, Actually it takes
a lot of I love being. Yeah, it's fun to
do things that humble you. Because I was a collegiate
basketball player, so I'm like, oh, I this what sport.
I got this. But yeah, it was tough. But one
(45:03):
thing that she said is like glow, the person having
the most fun wins. Look out there, everyone falling, the
person having the most fun, they win. So that's my
model in life. The person having the most fun wins.
Love that that was awesome. It has been a joy
and a pleasure talking to you, Glow. We'll just have
to have you back on. Maybe I'll have you back
(45:25):
on after we take our journey to Bali and we'll
let you know how that goes. Okay, Yes, I would
love to tell us our listeners where they can find
you on social media. Yeah, you can find me on
Instagram at Glow Graphics g l O Graphics, or my podcast,
(45:45):
The Glow Show, anywhere you can find podcasts. Thanks so much, Glow,
We'll talk to you soon, my pleasure. Thank you so
much BYEGAM. Al right, bye bye. So my biggest takeaway
from this calmversation with Glow is if you can take
advantage of travel like just to experience the world and
(46:08):
recognize that there is life outside of your neighborhood. And secondly,
don't forget your pillowcase. And that's our show for this
week of Positively GAM. You can follow me online at
gammy nars and help us out by leaving a five
star review on Apple Podcasts and by hitting the follow
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button on I Heart Radio. Stay great for y'all. Positively
Gam is produced by red Table Talk Podcast and I
Heart Radio. Executive producers are Adrian Vanfield Naris Valin Jethro
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