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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Really, the real ar Bernard is on Instagram?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Did you say that real Rabernard is on Instagram to
be six, get the Airbernardista in Instagram.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
You mean every other Thursday at three pm Eastern time.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
We can catch the real aar Bernard live on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yes, Join ar Bernard on Instagram live every other Thursday
at three pm Eastern.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
First, we're religious by nature because we all have inside
of us this desire to resolve the question about meaning purpose?
Is there something more to life? Is there something beyond
this world in which we live?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Welcome to a ar Bernard Ministries. You were about to
hear from a ar Bernard, one of today's most influential
voices in ministry, a best selling author and charismatic teacher
of spirit led truth. Today's thought evoking message and captivating
word will empower you spiritually, inform you intellectually, and motivate
you with renewed strength to stand boldly in your purpose
(01:08):
and live out your faith in today's ever changing culture.
Tune in and join us now for a ar Bernard.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Our Christianity gives us a set of values that we
subscribe to, not just beliefs about God, but also a
social ethic, what we understand our relationship with society should
be like, and our relationship with each other. Amen, because
(01:36):
Jesus said the highest commandment is what love God with
all your heart, soul, mind and strength. And then the
challenge is to love neighbor as self. And around that
idea societies are established, and especially what we understand to
(02:02):
be this nation called America. When God took the Hebrews
out of Egypt brought them into the wilderness, he sought
to establish a nation that would be different from all
of the other nations. He would give them a set
(02:24):
of values, civil law, ceremonial law in terms of their
worship and their relationship with God, moral law to govern
their conduct. Every aspect of business, every aspect of society
would be built into it. And the scripture says that
(02:45):
no other nation would have such a body of laws
as the law of Moses that he gave to them,
and they would form what is called a social contract.
In other words, everyone agrees are going to live by
these rules, these principles, because that's what will maintain order
(03:08):
and most importantly human thriving, because at the end of
the day, that's what's important. Are we thriving as human beings.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Amen. And he warned them.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
He said, do not copy the ways of other nations,
the surrounding nations. He said, I don't want you to
pick up their practices, the ideologies, their belief systems, their rituals,
because what they do is destructive.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
To human thriving.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
In fact, if you do what I tell you, you'll be
the head and not the tale. It'll place you above
and not beneath.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
In fact, you'll become the lender.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
And not the borrower.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
He is very clear, he said, if you follow this,
you will thrive as a nation and as a people.
But how many no humans have their own ideas. I
shared with you that we're political. Well, first, we're religious
(04:32):
by nature, because we all have inside of us this
desire to resolve the question about meaning purpose? Is there
something more to life? Is there something beyond this world
in which we live. We also are religious in that
we have this moral compass built into us conscience. We
(04:58):
have this sense that there is right and wrong, good
and evil, moral, immoral, just and unjust inside of us.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
We also have.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
A desire towards the good, even when we choose evil.
The reality is that we have a desire towards the good.
So we're religious by nature. We're also political by nature,
and that's because we all have an opinion.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
How many in here have an opinion?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Absolutely, The Bible says what creates conflict is that we
all think our opinion is right. Scripture says every man
seems wise in his own eyes. And not only do
we have an opinion, we have this need when we
have an opinion to get someone to support that opinion.
(06:00):
You know, we're talking and we give our opinion, and
we look around and say right, and we want that
other person to weigh in and say right. Then when
in the moment that happens, we got a group. And
then if that happens often enough, we could have many groups,
(06:21):
and then we turn those groups into political parties.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Special interests come on.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Because these entities galvanize around a specific opinion about something,
especially when it comes to the world in which we live.
What we understand is culture man's attempt to order his world,
order and organize and arrange society and to determine the
(06:51):
best way to live in it.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
And people have opinions about that. And that's funny.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
We're religious by nature and political by nature.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And those are the two things we should not talk about,
religion and politics.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
And we can't help ourselves.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Because we feel this need to weigh in.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
That's why newspapers sell.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
We pick it up to find out not only what happened,
but what's being said about what happened.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
We expect people to weigh in.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, that's why in a world of opinion, God wants
to make sure that we have a specific way of
thinking about all of these issues. So he informs us
through scripture how we ought to think about the big
questions of the day.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, And that's what makes us Christian because it means
that we are seeing through the lens of scripture and
we hold a scriptural position.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
On the issues that the world continues to debate over.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So we want to know what does the Bible say,
don't we at the end of the day, what.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Does God have to say about this?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And even with that we debate because they're different schools
of interpretation, and we could take one text and debate
that text.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
But at the end of the day, we want to
know that we're seeing life through God's point of view
because it's only then that we can live the Christian difference,
and that's what we're about, living the Christian difference. I'm
going to say it again, living the Christian difference, because
(08:51):
your Christianity should set you apart. Romans says so beautifully,
and Omen chapter twelve, verse one, the apostle Paul says,
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, to present your
bodies a living sacrifice, holy, which means separated unto God,
(09:13):
right an acceptable, which means pleasing to God. So holiness
is not perfection of living, because there's nobody perfect but God.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
But it's separating us from those philosophies and ideas that
the world may espouse that are diametrically opposed to our
faith in God or to God's arrangement of things. How
many know that God has an order when we go
(09:51):
back to Genesis and we find the word and God created,
which is the word bahrah in the Hebrew bar.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
It's more than just to.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Create in a way that no one else can create,
because that's what the Hebrew expresses, but it also means
to establish the proper order, design, purpose, and intent of everything.
So the idea the image is verse two, and the
(10:26):
earth was void without form, Tohuwabo in the Hebrew topsy Turvy.
It was chaos, it was darkness, and the next six
days of creation are simply God bringing order to the chaos.
Light to the darkness, but order to the chaos. And
(10:51):
that's what God does. That's what he should be doing
in your life.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So Genesis is less about sequence of time and more
about what, more about what order, how things should be
arranged so that they function the best, so that they
function the way they were designed to function, and we
(11:20):
can get the most out of it. Here's a statement
for you. If you follow someone home, you can better
understand why they are the way they are. I'm going
to try that one more time. If you follow someone home,
(11:45):
you can better understand why they are the way they are.
And I'm using the word home at the beginning where
it all started, because if you fail to understand yesterday,
you'll be confused about today. And Genesis means beginning, but
it also means home where it all started. So when
(12:09):
Jesus was confronted about divorce and the relationship between men
and women in Matthew chapter nineteen, they said.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Is it lawful?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Is it right for man to divorce his wife for
any reason.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Jesus took him home.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
He said, in the beginning, have you not read?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
He went back to Genesis, He went back to the original.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
What I can't hear? You to the original.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And said, have you not read that in the beginning
God created male and female? And he said, for this call,
shall a man leave his wife? No, leave his mother
and father. I just test to see if.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
You're with me.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
For this call, shallow man leave his mother and and
cleave to his wife, and the two shall be one.
And he was saying, if you divide them, then you
are destroying the unity that was created when they were
joined together. Jesus was referring back to the original what order?
(13:24):
And then of course they come home and they say, well,
if that's true, then why did Moses give a certificate
of divorce? And Jesus said, because of the hardness of
your heart. In other words, divorce is a concession, but
(13:45):
it's not the ideal. God allowed it because human hearts
can become so hardened that they cannot allow the space
for grace and forgiveness and healing. And that's the only
reason divorce takes place. God's order, God's way.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Of thinking.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Seeing whenever we are faced with issues in our society,
what do we do?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
We gotta take it home.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
You gotta go back to the beginning, understand what God intended.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So last week and it was interesting because in the
first service we had to actually bring people to sit
in this area. Because now that I'm out here asking questions,
people shifted up to the balcony.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Go figure these human beings, where do you want to sit?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
See?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
But I'm going to start the service from the balcony
one Sunday with a camera and a mic.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
I'm coming for you. See.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
As clergy, we become experts with human nature. We get
to know people. But I put the question out there.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Are men and women equal?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So now that you've had a week to think about it,
and those who I engage had time to go home
and debate it with their spouse, I gave you an answer,
but I want to amplify that. I want to unpack
that a little bit more in the time. Oh my goodness,
(15:58):
So Pastor Demas, Yeah, you you were part of the
conversation last week. Yes, you look ready? This were you
like when you went home and studied marriage.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
There was a lot of there was a lot of
healthy dialogue.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
On the way home. I can imagine on.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
The way home all throughout the evening. Yeah, it was,
it was you hooked us up for sure.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So what was her decision?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I mean, what conclusion did you come from?
Speaker 7 (16:36):
You know, I think she nailed it on the head
where she said we were functionally different, but uh, ontologically
the same is that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I think that was my That was that was that
was definitely that was yes, yes, logic that was that
was words like anthropomorphism, that was the logic that that
That was brilliant and.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Really brilliant. Now scripturally, you know, there is an order
that that that I feel that cannot be denied, that
that I know responsibly, I'm the head of the household.
I am the leader in my house. And uh, and
that's an order that.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
God said, do you have a camera on her?
Speaker 7 (17:27):
And and honestly, my wife and and this is real,
I would not be the person that I am today
without the wisdom of my wife, totally. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
So.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
We do submit one to one to another, but if
there's a stalemate, I am given the the grace and
the love by this beautiful woman to make that final choice.
So so I'm blessed.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
What sounds like permission with the words grace and love.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
You know, Paul said, you have to persuade. So there's
a lot of persuasion and love and wisdom so that
our marriage is healthy and last. And uh, because at
first I was when we first got married, I made
the brutal mistake of saying, brutal mistake, you just need
to trust and submit and I'm gonna do my thing.
(18:27):
And I've never met a sister that went very well with.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
And uh.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
But me and my friends, as novice of the scriptures,
we thought we were gonna do something great with that,
but then we learned No. You know that.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
There's a whole group of you guys who learned this.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Yeah, and I'm one of the only few still married unfortunately.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
So there's still a higher key. So men and women
are onto logically equal in dignity it worth in value
in personhood and to be respected as such, right, but
(19:23):
different in function.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Enroll that are played out.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
But is there still a need for a hierarchy of responsibility?
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Does the buck need to stop somewhere?
Speaker 5 (19:40):
You got weak on me?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Now? Does the buck need to stop somewhere? And who
should it stop with? Should it stop with the husband
or the wife. Anybody say both? You say both? You
(20:08):
say both? Anybody else say both? Anybody say both? But
afraid to raise your hand.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Just raise your hand. I see this going on here.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
We don't have much time left. But see what we're
experiencing here in this.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Lack of a.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Definitive consensus on this issue is the invasion of the
ideas of the world into the Church of Jesus. See
because Scripture is very clear on the hierarchy of responsibility.
(20:58):
In fact, it established is a headship God, thatad of Christ, Christ,
that of man, man, the head of woman. But it
has been so maligned that we've extracted it, beat it up.
Feminist movements have come in, and we've failed to appreciate
the beauty of this hierarchy that God established.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Can you hold that for me?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
He doesn't want to.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Hold the mic because you may have to use it
how many I say what I'm talking about. So what
we're seeing is a clash between two ideologies, complementarianism and egalitarianism.
(21:42):
Because in the context of our faith, female husband and
wife is a complementary relationship.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
But there is a hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Of responsibility, so that the buck has to stop some
where with someone, But egalitarian says that no, we are
equal across the boards. There is no hiergary of responsibility.
It is fifty fifty when God says no, it's one
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hundred percent, one hundred percent coming together to form one
solid and very powerful union. And the fact that God
made the woman for the man does not make her
subservient to the man, just like the Holy Spirit, who's
our helper, is not subservient to us as human beings.
(22:38):
Living in the Christian difference is embracing the biblical models
very important and well well if they were past, the
things are different today and in Jesus's day. Let me
say this to you, just because women have been abused
(22:58):
and exploited by men does not change the order that
God originally intended for their protection, because marriage is supposed to.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Be a safe space. We're out of time, but did
you get anything out of that?
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Today?
Speaker 6 (23:27):
We want God's order.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
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Really, the real ar Bernard is on Instagram?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Did you say that real Rabernard is on Instagram to
be six, get the Airbernardista in Instagram.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
You mean every other Thursday at three pm Eastern time.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
We can catch the real aar Bernard live on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yes, Join ar Bernard on Instagram live every other Thursday
at three pm Eastern.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
First, we're religious by nature because we all have inside
of us this desire to resolve the question about meaning purpose?
Is there something more to life? Is there something beyond
this world in which we live?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Welcome to a ar Bernard Ministries. You were about to
hear from a ar Bernard, one of today's most influential
voices in ministry, a best selling author and charismatic teacher
of spirit led truth. Today's thought evoking message and captivating
word will empower you spiritually, inform you intellectually, and motivate
you with renewed strength to stand boldly in your purpose
(01:08):
and live out your faith in today's ever changing culture.
Tune in and join us now for a ar Bernard.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Our Christianity gives us a set of values that we
subscribe to, not just beliefs about God, but also a
social ethic, what we understand our relationship with society should
be like, and our relationship with each other. Amen, because
(01:36):
Jesus said the highest commandment is what love God with
all your heart, soul, mind and strength. And then the
challenge is to love neighbor as self. And around that
idea societies are established, and especially what we understand to
(02:02):
be this nation called America. When God took the Hebrews
out of Egypt brought them into the wilderness, he sought
to establish a nation that would be different from all
of the other nations. He would give them a set
(02:24):
of values, civil law, ceremonial law in terms of their
worship and their relationship with God, moral law to govern
their conduct. Every aspect of business, every aspect of society
would be built into it. And the scripture says that
(02:45):
no other nation would have such a body of laws
as the law of Moses that he gave to them,
and they would form what is called a social contract.
In other words, everyone agrees are going to live by
these rules, these principles, because that's what will maintain order
(03:08):
and most importantly human thriving, because at the end of
the day, that's what's important. Are we thriving as human beings.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Amen. And he warned them.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
He said, do not copy the ways of other nations,
the surrounding nations. He said, I don't want you to
pick up their practices, the ideologies, their belief systems, their rituals,
because what they do is destructive.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
To human thriving.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
In fact, if you do what I tell you, you'll be
the head and not the tale. It'll place you above
and not beneath.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
In fact, you'll become the lender.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
And not the borrower.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
He is very clear, he said, if you follow this,
you will thrive as a nation and as a people.
But how many no humans have their own ideas. I
shared with you that we're political. Well, first, we're religious
(04:32):
by nature, because we all have inside of us this
desire to resolve the question about meaning purpose? Is there
something more to life? Is there something beyond this world
in which we live. We also are religious in that
we have this moral compass built into us conscience. We
(04:58):
have this sense that there is right and wrong, good
and evil, moral, immoral, just and unjust inside of us.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
We also have.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
A desire towards the good, even when we choose evil.
The reality is that we have a desire towards the good.
So we're religious by nature. We're also political by nature,
and that's because we all have an opinion.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
How many in here have an opinion?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Absolutely, The Bible says what creates conflict is that we
all think our opinion is right. Scripture says every man
seems wise in his own eyes. And not only do
we have an opinion, we have this need when we
have an opinion to get someone to support that opinion.
(06:00):
You know, we're talking and we give our opinion, and
we look around and say right, and we want that
other person to weigh in and say right. Then when
in the moment that happens, we got a group. And
then if that happens often enough, we could have many groups,
(06:21):
and then we turn those groups into political parties.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Special interests come on.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Because these entities galvanize around a specific opinion about something,
especially when it comes to the world in which we live.
What we understand is culture man's attempt to order his world,
order and organize and arrange society and to determine the
(06:51):
best way to live in it.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
And people have opinions about that. And that's funny.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
We're religious by nature and political by nature.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And those are the two things we should not talk about,
religion and politics.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
And we can't help ourselves.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Because we feel this need to weigh in.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
That's why newspapers sell.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
We pick it up to find out not only what happened,
but what's being said about what happened.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
We expect people to weigh in.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, that's why in a world of opinion, God wants
to make sure that we have a specific way of
thinking about all of these issues. So he informs us
through scripture how we ought to think about the big
questions of the day.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, And that's what makes us Christian because it means
that we are seeing through the lens of scripture and
we hold a scriptural position.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
On the issues that the world continues to debate over.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So we want to know what does the Bible say,
don't we at the end of the day, what.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Does God have to say about this?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And even with that we debate because they're different schools
of interpretation, and we could take one text and debate
that text.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
But at the end of the day, we want to
know that we're seeing life through God's point of view
because it's only then that we can live the Christian difference,
and that's what we're about, living the Christian difference. I'm
going to say it again, living the Christian difference, because
(08:51):
your Christianity should set you apart. Romans says so beautifully,
and Omen chapter twelve, verse one, the apostle Paul says,
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, to present your
bodies a living sacrifice, holy, which means separated unto God,
(09:13):
right an acceptable, which means pleasing to God. So holiness
is not perfection of living, because there's nobody perfect but God.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
But it's separating us from those philosophies and ideas that
the world may espouse that are diametrically opposed to our
faith in God or to God's arrangement of things. How
many know that God has an order when we go
(09:51):
back to Genesis and we find the word and God created,
which is the word bahrah in the Hebrew bar.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
It's more than just to.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Create in a way that no one else can create,
because that's what the Hebrew expresses, but it also means
to establish the proper order, design, purpose, and intent of everything.
So the idea the image is verse two, and the
(10:26):
earth was void without form, Tohuwabo in the Hebrew topsy Turvy.
It was chaos, it was darkness, and the next six
days of creation are simply God bringing order to the chaos.
Light to the darkness, but order to the chaos. And
(10:51):
that's what God does. That's what he should be doing
in your life.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So Genesis is less about sequence of time and more
about what, more about what order, how things should be
arranged so that they function the best, so that they
function the way they were designed to function, and we
(11:20):
can get the most out of it. Here's a statement
for you. If you follow someone home, you can better
understand why they are the way they are. I'm going
to try that one more time. If you follow someone home,
(11:45):
you can better understand why they are the way they are.
And I'm using the word home at the beginning where
it all started, because if you fail to understand yesterday,
you'll be confused about today. And Genesis means beginning, but
it also means home where it all started. So when
(12:09):
Jesus was confronted about divorce and the relationship between men
and women in Matthew chapter nineteen, they said.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Is it lawful?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Is it right for man to divorce his wife for
any reason.
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Jesus took him home.
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He said, in the beginning, have you not read?
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He went back to Genesis, He went back to the original.
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What I can't hear? You to the original.
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And said, have you not read that in the beginning
God created male and female? And he said, for this call,
shall a man leave his wife? No, leave his mother
and father. I just test to see if.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
You're with me.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
For this call, shallow man leave his mother and and
cleave to his wife, and the two shall be one.
And he was saying, if you divide them, then you
are destroying the unity that was created when they were
joined together. Jesus was referring back to the original what order?
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And then of course they come home and they say, well,
if that's true, then why did Moses give a certificate
of divorce? And Jesus said, because of the hardness of
your heart. In other words, divorce is a concession, but
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it's not the ideal. God allowed it because human hearts
can become so hardened that they cannot allow the space
for grace and forgiveness and healing. And that's the only
reason divorce takes place. God's order, God's way.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Of thinking.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Seeing whenever we are faced with issues in our society,
what do we do?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
We gotta take it home.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
You gotta go back to the beginning, understand what God intended.
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So last week and it was interesting because in the
first service we had to actually bring people to sit
in this area. Because now that I'm out here asking questions,
people shifted up to the balcony.
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Go figure these human beings, where do you want to sit?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
See?
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But I'm going to start the service from the balcony
one Sunday with a camera and a mic.
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I'm coming for you. See.
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As clergy, we become experts with human nature. We get
to know people. But I put the question out there.
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Are men and women equal?
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So now that you've had a week to think about it,
and those who I engage had time to go home
and debate it with their spouse, I gave you an answer,
but I want to amplify that. I want to unpack
that a little bit more in the time. Oh my goodness,
(15:58):
So Pastor Demas, Yeah, you you were part of the
conversation last week. Yes, you look ready? This were you
like when you went home and studied marriage.
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There was a lot of there was a lot of
healthy dialogue.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
On the way home. I can imagine on.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
The way home all throughout the evening. Yeah, it was,
it was you hooked us up for sure.
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So what was her decision?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I mean, what conclusion did you come from?
Speaker 7 (16:36):
You know, I think she nailed it on the head
where she said we were functionally different, but uh, ontologically
the same is that.
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I think that was my That was that was that
was definitely that was yes, yes, logic that was that
was words like anthropomorphism, that was the logic that that
That was brilliant and.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Really brilliant. Now scripturally, you know, there is an order
that that that I feel that cannot be denied, that
that I know responsibly, I'm the head of the household.
I am the leader in my house. And uh, and
that's an order that.
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God said, do you have a camera on her?
Speaker 7 (17:27):
And and honestly, my wife and and this is real,
I would not be the person that I am today
without the wisdom of my wife, totally. Absolutely.
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So.
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We do submit one to one to another, but if
there's a stalemate, I am given the the grace and
the love by this beautiful woman to make that final choice.
So so I'm blessed.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
What sounds like permission with the words grace and love.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
You know, Paul said, you have to persuade. So there's
a lot of persuasion and love and wisdom so that
our marriage is healthy and last. And uh, because at
first I was when we first got married, I made
the brutal mistake of saying, brutal mistake, you just need
to trust and submit and I'm gonna do my thing.
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And I've never met a sister that went very well with.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
And uh.
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But me and my friends, as novice of the scriptures,
we thought we were gonna do something great with that,
but then we learned No. You know that.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
There's a whole group of you guys who learned this.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Yeah, and I'm one of the only few still married unfortunately.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
Hmm.
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So there's still a higher key. So men and women
are onto logically equal in dignity it worth in value
in personhood and to be respected as such, right, but
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different in function.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Enroll that are played out.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
But is there still a need for a hierarchy of responsibility?
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Does the buck need to stop somewhere?
Speaker 5 (19:40):
You got weak on me?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Now? Does the buck need to stop somewhere? And who
should it stop with? Should it stop with the husband
or the wife. Anybody say both? You say both? You
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say both? Anybody else say both? Anybody say both? But
afraid to raise your hand.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Just raise your hand. I see this going on here.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
We don't have much time left. But see what we're
experiencing here in this.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Lack of a.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Definitive consensus on this issue is the invasion of the
ideas of the world into the Church of Jesus. See
because Scripture is very clear on the hierarchy of responsibility.
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In fact, it established is a headship God, thatad of Christ, Christ,
that of man, man, the head of woman. But it
has been so maligned that we've extracted it, beat it up.
Feminist movements have come in, and we've failed to appreciate
the beauty of this hierarchy that God established.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Can you hold that for me?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
He doesn't want to.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Hold the mic because you may have to use it
how many I say what I'm talking about. So what
we're seeing is a clash between two ideologies, complementarianism and egalitarianism.
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Because in the context of our faith, female husband and
wife is a complementary relationship.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
But there is a hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Of responsibility, so that the buck has to stop some
where with someone, But egalitarian says that no, we are
equal across the boards. There is no hiergary of responsibility.
It is fifty fifty when God says no, it's one
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hundred percent, one hundred percent coming together to form one
solid and very powerful union. And the fact that God
made the woman for the man does not make her
subservient to the man, just like the Holy Spirit, who's
our helper, is not subservient to us as human beings.
(22:38):
Living in the Christian difference is embracing the biblical models
very important and well well if they were past, the
things are different today and in Jesus's day. Let me
say this to you, just because women have been abused
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and exploited by men does not change the order that
God originally intended for their protection, because marriage is supposed to.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Be a safe space. We're out of time, but did
you get anything out of that?
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Today?
Speaker 6 (23:27):
We want God's order.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
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