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Speaker 1 (00:15):
So three lies about Hell. Number one, There's no such
thing as a place called Hell. Ah, don't believe all
that fire and brimstone stuff. It's just a scare tactic.
No such thing sheesh as a place called Hell. Number two,
I'll just go to Hell and party with all my friends.
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I wouldn't want to go to Heaven anyways, with all
those boring Christians. I'd rather just go to Hell and
party it up with all my friends. Number three, How
could a loving God send anyone to Hell? What about
those lies? What about answers to those questions? Let's look
at the first one. There is no such thing as
a place called hell. Luke sixteen. Jesus told a story.
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They're gonna put the whole story up. I want to
read it, and then we'll take it apart here, just
a bit by bit. But I want you to see
the whole story. And the thing about it is this
was not a parable. Many times Jesus would say, the
Kingdom of Heaven is like unto and tell a parable,
a metaphor. This is not that. This is a certain story.
And whenever Jesus used the phrase a certain woman, a
certain person, a certain somebody, he was telling an actual
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account of something that happened that either he'd been a
part of or seen in the spirit.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So he tells us his story.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
In Luke sixteen, Jesus said, there was a certain rich man,
So this is a real man, a real story. There
was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple
and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day. But there
was also a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores,
who was laid it at his gate, desiring to be
fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover,
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the dogs came and licked up his sores verse twenty two.
So it was that the beggar died and was carried
by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also
died and was buried, and being in torments in hades,
he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar Off
and Lazarus in his bosom. Then he cried and said,
Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that
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he may dip the tip of his finger in water
and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, son, remember that in your lifetime, you
received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things. But
now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides
all this between us and you, there is a great
gulf fix so that those who want to pass from
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here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass
to us. Then he said, I beg you, therefore, father,
that you would send him to my father's house, where
I have five brothers, that he may testify to them,
lest they also come to this place of torment. Abraham
said to him, they have Moses and the prophets. Let
them hear them. And he said, no, father Abraham, for
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if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.
But he said to him, if they do not hear
or Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded,
though one rise from the dead. So Jesus tells a
story about two certain people, a rich man and a beggar.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Now he's not telling us the story.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
The purpose of this story isn't rich people go to hell,
poor people go to heaven. That's not even the point
of the story. It is an illustrated story, but not
an illustration a real story to illustrate that there are
two places. There's a heaven and there's a hell or
Hades is called in this passage. So let's talk about it.
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And I've got a little laser pointer I'm gonna show you.
Guys can put this up on this little chart that
we're gonna use to help explain different parts. So if
you look at the circle, that's Earth, and there's Jesus,
Lazarus and the saved thief on the cross, if you
guys remember him, and the rich man and then the
unsaved thief on the cross, and the story that we
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just read, the rich man says he was buried, went
to this place here called the place of Torment. Lazarus
was carried, which is interesting. Lazarus was carried, the rich
man was buried, carried by angels to a place of
comfort called Abraham's Bosom, also known as Paradise. This place here,
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now what people don't always know, or didn't we're never taught,
had no understanding of, is that this whole place here,
both of these places are what is known as hell
or shie Ol is the Hebrew word, Hades is the
Greek word, but in English we say hell. There are
two compartments to this place. It's a temporary dwelling place,
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because ultimately something's gonna happen here. And I'll tell you
what has already happened and what's about to happen, and
then we will go here to the final and eternal
dwelling place, what we also sometimes call Hell, the lake
of fire. This side here is the place of torment,
and that's where the rich man went. And that's where
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the Old Testament people who died that were unrighteous, not
followers or believers in God, this is where they went.
This is called the place of comfort or Paradise, or
Abraham's Bosom. This is where Lazarus went. All the Old
Testament righteous people like the Abrahams, Isaac's Jacobs, those that
followed God, this is where they went when they died.
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Two compartments, one place called Hades or shield, or what
we would call Hell, with two compartments and a great
gulf between them. Now, what's interesting is that when Jesus
was talking to the one thief, Remember he said to
the one thief on the cross, he said, this day
you'll be with me in paradise. Well, indeed he was
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Jesus when he went to Hell in our place, had
the thief on the cross go to Paradise with him,
But when Jesus was resurrected, Jesus moved the place of
comfort paradise Abraham's bosom. Jesus moved it to heaven. So
that compartment in Hell now is empty. This compartment is empty.
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This compartment is full, and the Bible tells us enlarging.
This one's empty because it's been moved to heaven. The
full one is where the rich man was, and he
was conscious, and he experienced torment. So this is a
place of torment, whereas this was a place of comfort.
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You'll see that as far as the future permanent place
for the believer, it's the new Heaven and the new Earth.
So the point of that is what God wants us
to take him at his word. It's a faith proposition
to believe the Bible, to believe the writings, to believe
what He has given us. There's a lot we don't know,
but there's a lot we do know. Go with what
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we do know, and we know that Hell is a
real place. I don't believe that hell's a real place.
According to the Bible, there was a certain man and
a certain beggar, and they went to a real place.
Number two, Lie, I'll just go to Hell and party
with all my friends. I don't want to be with
all you holy rollers anyways. Let's talk about what's what
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and who's who and hell. Hell's not going to be
the party that people imagine it to be. It's a
place you don't want anybody to go, of course, not yourself,
but no one that you know.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You don't want anybody there. Here's what we know.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
According to the Bible. Hell is down and dirty. Hell
is dark and dank. Hell is big and burning, hells
worms and whaling, Hell's teeth and torment. Hell has an
entrance but no exit. Let me read to this testimony.
This is from Kenneth Hagen years ago. It wasn't a
vision in his case, it really truly was a death
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experience and near death experience. He was sick and experienced
three times. The way he describes it, he experienced three
times he left his body, and he said the way
he went out of his body was through his mouth.
He left his body through his mouth. And then he
describes this, I began to descend down down into a pit,
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like you go down into a well, a cavern, a cave.
As I was trying to say goodbye, I knew I
was going down into that place. All three of my
family members who were present, testified later, saying, when you
said goodbye, your voice sounded like you were way down
in a cave or a cavern or something. As I
continued to descend, I went down, feet first, down, down down,
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I could look up and see the lights of the earth.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
They finally faded away.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Darkness encompassed me round about, darkness that is darker than
any night man has ever seen. It seemed that if
you had a knife you could cut a chunk out
of it. You couldn't see your hand if it was
one inch in front of your nose. The farther down
I went, the darker it became, and the hotter it became,
Until finally, way down beneath me, I could see the
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fingers of light playing on the wall of darkness. I
came to the bottom of the pit. This happened to
me more than sixty years ago, yet it is just
as real to me as if it happened last week.
Brother Hagen has since gone to be with the Lord.
He ended up from that experience coming into a dramatic
relationship with Jesus Christ and went on to preach the
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Gospel and preach the Word for sixty seventy years, or
I can think it was about sixty years, because he
went to be with the Lord when he was around
eighty three.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
He's with the Lord now.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
But he had this experience three times he said, I
went down down. We're talking about what's what in Hell? Well,
Hell is down. Many people believe the Book of Job
talks about it. Some other places in the Bible talk
about the belly. In fact, people said to Jesus. He said, Jesus,
show us a sign that'll be enough for us. And
Jesus said, no sign will be given you except the
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sign of Jonah, who was three days in three nights
in the belly of the whale. So shall the sun
of man be three days and three nights in the
belly of the earth.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
In the Book of Job. But it alludes to it
as well that.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Hell, this temporary dwelling place for the disembodied dead hades shield.
Hell is located in the center of the earth. Many
theologians believe that's true based on scripture. Where's Hell anyways?
Center of the earth, There are some interesting, I think,
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just interesting scientific studies about the ocean floor and these
hydrothermal vents they call them, where sulfur dioxide gases and
heats heat in excess of many many degrees are bubbling
up and they're not sure how all this is working
even at some of those events. Interestingly, are these they
call them, like tubal worms that are super huge and
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really long and nasty.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Does all that tie into this? Who knows.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Jesus talked about that he will build his church and
the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. Amen, Well,
we're talking about sometimes we read scripatures and we just
read them like sort of poetically or metaphorically. And sometimes
that's true, there are metaphors. But other times God doesn't
waste words. So when Jesus talks about the gates of Hell,
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it's pretty certain there are gates. There's an entrance, but
not an exit. The gates of Hell and the Book
of Job but talks about on the ocean floor of
the bars of darkness.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You check in, but you don't check out.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
The Bible talks about the what's what in Hell says
it's big and burning. Of course, we always hear about
the Lake of Fire, and we always hear you know
about those parts of it. But this big part I
think is interesting. And Isaiah says, Hell has enlarged itself.
The one compartment we showed you it's vacant. Now it's empty,
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but the other compartment is being enlarged to accommodate. I
hope what you get out of today's message because I'm
going to guess many of you here you are a Christian.
Jesus is the Lord of your life. Those of you
watching online you're a Christian. Maybe those of you watching
by TV.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You're a Christian.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But for those of you that are not yet Christians,
what I want you to get is I want you
to get the reality that you are the living and
death is the destiny for each and every one of us.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
The living should.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Take it to heart, and let's make sure we're aware
and that we make a choice, a wied eyed choice,
to receive Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior. That's
the first thing we want to happen from today. But
the second thing, for those of you that do know
the Lord, is this. I hope it stirs up on you.
An imperative for evangelism I hope you don't think, oh,
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that's cool. I'm saying, man, that's great, But there's nothing
you that wants to tell somebody else. I hope something
in you get stirred up and you start thinking about
your family and your loved ones, and your friends, and
your high school classmates and your college classmates and your neighbors, the.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
People you work with.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
You start thinking about people, and you're like, am I
doing what I need to do to tell them? Like,
somebody's got to tell them. I don't have to preach
it out them. I don't have to be like scare tactics,
but just somebody has to tell them the gospel, the
good news, the realities of things. I hope you get
stirred up to do to do that in your own life.
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What's what in hell dark? Brother Hagen described it was
so dark you could cut it with a knife. Try
to put yourself in some shoes to go what would
it be like to be in the blackness of darkness?
So I think you could cut it with a knife forever.
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What would it be like to be somewhere you can't
get out? What would it be like there someone to
be somewhere and to be conscious of their family, conscious
of thirst, conscious of these things, and there's no changing it.
There's no repentance that can be found at this point,
only regret, anger, gnashing of.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Teeth, bitterness.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Hell isn't just a figment of somebody's imagination, Jesus said,
a certain man and a certain beggar went to a
place called Hell.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well, who's who in Hell? Who's going to be there?
For sure? Jesus told us.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
In fact, in Matthew twenty five, forty one, Jesus said,
speaking about the judgment of the goats and the sheep,
and the goats in the sheep is a story Matthew
twenty five, of how nations treat Israel. By the way,
sometimes people interpret that a little differently, that it's about
reaching out to the poor and those in prison, which
is all good, But it's actually a story about how
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we treat Israel, the goat nations, the sheep nations. We'll
stand before the Lord and there'll be a judgment, and
then he'll say, depart from me, you cursed into the
everlasting fire. Prepared for the devil and his angels, Hell
was never prepared for man.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's never the goal. But when man rebelled.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Because God is a god of justice, then there has
to be a consequence. The wages of sin is death.
The Bible says somebody has to pay the wage. So
you and I get to pay the wage. If we're
like I don't believe in the Bible, I don't believe
in Jesus, I don't believe in all that.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You get your choice, totally, totally our choice. Then we
get to pay the wage of death, or we go Jesus,
thank you. You paid the wage of death for me.
You paid the wages of my sin when you went
to the cross, went to hell in my place, were
raised from the dead, and then you extended to me
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an opportunity to choose you to come into a relationship
with Hugh, so that my wage was paid paid in full.
It's completely our choice, and God will never violate that choice.
So we never intended for mankind to be in hell.
But at the very same time, he's a God of justice,
and you wouldn't want it any other way. You wouldn't
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want it any other way anymore than in the world
you and I live in. When somebody commits the crime,
if there's a serial killer out there, and he gets
found out. You certainly don't want the judge to slap
him on the fingers and go no'll stop that. You
want him to pay a wage for the crime. You
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don't want to live in a society where there is
no consequence, no justice. Thank God for mercy, but you
also want justice. That's where Jesus comes in.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
We get both.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
We get the mercy because he did the justice. We
get the mercy he paid and satisfied justice.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So who's who in hell? It's interesting and Isaiah talks
about sadly. It talks about the great ones of the earth.
The chief ones had it all and they rejected Christ. Now,
sometimes it is harder for rich people to come to
Christ because they're a little less desperate. They trust in
their uncertain riches. But it does talk about in the
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Bible sadly, and Isaiah talks about that the chief ones
of the earth get to be the greeters in hell.
They get to greet Satan. Actually, when Lucifer's cast into
the Lake of Fire, it says the chief ones of
the earth they're there to greet you. They're the hospitality,
they're the VIP team. I think about it honestly, I
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think about it whenever whenever I hear a story of
some very famous person you know, who died and you
never really heard them talk much about God, or you
maybe didn't know any about their faith. I just was like, Lord,
where did they go? Did they know you? Where did
they go? Are they in Greeter training in a place
called Hell? Who's who in Hell? The devil and his demons?
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That's what it was made for. But also all of
those who reject Jesus Christ, who don't come into a
relationship with Christ. And God gives us a free choice.
He'll never twist anybody's arm. If somebody says I don't
want anything to do with God, I don't want anything
to do with Church, I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Need that Jesus.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
God will say, okay, okay, And when you die and
leave planet Earth, you will stay in that condition, nothing
to do with God, nothing to do with Jesus, in
the place that is the farthest from him. In other words,
he says, I'll give you what you want, or I'll
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give you an opportunity while you're living to come into
a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Final lie.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
The devil tells us how could a loving God, send
anyone to hell. Revelation twenty says. This revelation is twenty
verses eleven through fifteen. Then I saw a great white
throne and him who sat on it, from whose face
the earth and the heaven fled away, and there was
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found no place for them. And I saw the dead,
small and great, standing before God. Now the dead are
the ones that are in the place of torment in Hades.
Those are the dead. Dead by definition is separated from God.
Spiritually dead, separated from God. The living aren't at this judgment.
Those that are righteous are not at this judgment. The
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dead stand before God, both small and great. And the
books were opened. Heaven's been keeping lots of books, and
another book was opened, which is the Book of Life.
And the dead were judged according to their works by
the things which were written in the books. The sea
gave up the dead who were in it, and Death
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and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them.
And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire.
That place of torment will be then cast into the
lake of fire. Earth as we know it will be
destroyed because Jesus said there will be a new Heaven
and a new Earth verse fifteen. And anyone not found
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written in the Book of Life was cast into the
lake of fire. Anyone whose name was not found written
in the Book of Life. You need to get your
reservation in. You need to come to a decision to
invite Jesus Christ, a surrendered decision, a humble decision to
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receive Jesus as Lord and get your reservation in. Get
your name in the book. Whoever's name is not in
the book was cast into that lake of fire. And finally,
this is the verse that got me. This is the
passage that got me. Matthew seven. Heaven can be entered
only through the narrow gate. The highway to Hell is broad,
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and its gate is wide enough for all the multitudes
who choose its easy way. But the gateway to life
is small, and the road is narrow, and only a
few ever find it. What's not because it's hard to find,
It's because there's one way through Jesus Verse twenty one.
Not all who sound religious are really good people. They
may refer to Me as Lord, but still won't get
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into heaven. For the decisive question is whether they obey
my Father in heaven at the judgment. Many will tell me,
Lord Lord, we told others about you used your name
to cast out demons and do many great miracles. But
I will reply, you've never been mine. Go away, for
your deeds are evil. This is the verse that brought
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me to christ. I was religious. I was playing all
the religious games and being self righteous until my roommate
shared this verse with me and that some of the
worst words you could ever hear depart from me, not
just for a little bit, but for eternity.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Go away. I don't know you, I never knew you.
Is what Jesus said.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
When I heard those words in my heart back as
a nineteen year old, I knew it was true. I
didn't know him. I was religious, but I did not
know Jesus personally. It was just a few short months later, man,
I surrendered one hundred percent of my heart and said,
Jesus be the Lord of my life. From now on,
I'm going to be a Christian. I don't know what
it looks like, but I'm all in. I get it,
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I see it. I'm a Christian and I have never
turned back. And I only regret that I didn't do
it sooner.
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So three lies about Hell. Number one, There's no such
thing as a place called Hell. Ah, don't believe all
that fire and brimstone stuff. It's just a scare tactic.
No such thing sheesh as a place called Hell. Number two,
I'll just go to Hell and party with all my friends.
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I wouldn't want to go to Heaven anyways, with all
those boring Christians. I'd rather just go to Hell and
party it up with all my friends. Number three, How
could a loving God send anyone to Hell? What about
those lies? What about answers to those questions? Let's look
at the first one. There is no such thing as
a place called hell. Luke sixteen. Jesus told a story.
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They're gonna put the whole story up. I want to
read it, and then we'll take it apart here, just
a bit by bit. But I want you to see
the whole story. And the thing about it is this
was not a parable. Many times Jesus would say, the
Kingdom of Heaven is like unto and tell a parable,
a metaphor. This is not that. This is a certain story.
And whenever Jesus used the phrase a certain woman, a
certain person, a certain somebody, he was telling an actual
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account of something that happened that either he'd been a
part of or seen in the spirit.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So he tells us his story.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
In Luke sixteen, Jesus said, there was a certain rich man,
So this is a real man, a real story. There
was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple
and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day. But there
was also a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores,
who was laid it at his gate, desiring to be
fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover,
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the dogs came and licked up his sores verse twenty two.
So it was that the beggar died and was carried
by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also
died and was buried, and being in torments in hades,
he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar Off
and Lazarus in his bosom. Then he cried and said,
Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that
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he may dip the tip of his finger in water
and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, son, remember that in your lifetime, you
received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things. But
now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides
all this between us and you, there is a great
gulf fix so that those who want to pass from
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here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass
to us. Then he said, I beg you, therefore, father,
that you would send him to my father's house, where
I have five brothers, that he may testify to them,
lest they also come to this place of torment. Abraham
said to him, they have Moses and the prophets. Let
them hear them. And he said, no, father Abraham, for
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if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.
But he said to him, if they do not hear
or Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded,
though one rise from the dead. So Jesus tells a
story about two certain people, a rich man and a beggar.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Now he's not telling us the story.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
The purpose of this story isn't rich people go to hell,
poor people go to heaven. That's not even the point
of the story. It is an illustrated story, but not
an illustration a real story to illustrate that there are
two places. There's a heaven and there's a hell or
Hades is called in this passage. So let's talk about it.
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And I've got a little laser pointer I'm gonna show you.
Guys can put this up on this little chart that
we're gonna use to help explain different parts. So if
you look at the circle, that's Earth, and there's Jesus,
Lazarus and the saved thief on the cross, if you
guys remember him, and the rich man and then the
unsaved thief on the cross, and the story that we
(03:55):
just read, the rich man says he was buried, went
to this place here called the place of Torment. Lazarus
was carried, which is interesting. Lazarus was carried, the rich
man was buried, carried by angels to a place of
comfort called Abraham's Bosom, also known as Paradise. This place here,
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now what people don't always know, or didn't we're never taught,
had no understanding of, is that this whole place here,
both of these places are what is known as hell
or shie Ol is the Hebrew word, Hades is the
Greek word, but in English we say hell. There are
two compartments to this place. It's a temporary dwelling place,
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because ultimately something's gonna happen here. And I'll tell you
what has already happened and what's about to happen, and
then we will go here to the final and eternal
dwelling place, what we also sometimes call Hell, the lake
of fire. This side here is the place of torment,
and that's where the rich man went. And that's where
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the Old Testament people who died that were unrighteous, not
followers or believers in God, this is where they went.
This is called the place of comfort or Paradise, or
Abraham's Bosom. This is where Lazarus went. All the Old
Testament righteous people like the Abrahams, Isaac's Jacobs, those that
followed God, this is where they went when they died.
(05:24):
Two compartments, one place called Hades or shield, or what
we would call Hell, with two compartments and a great
gulf between them. Now, what's interesting is that when Jesus
was talking to the one thief, Remember he said to
the one thief on the cross, he said, this day
you'll be with me in paradise. Well, indeed he was
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Jesus when he went to Hell in our place, had
the thief on the cross go to Paradise with him,
But when Jesus was resurrected, Jesus moved the place of
comfort paradise Abraham's bosom. Jesus moved it to heaven. So
that compartment in Hell now is empty. This compartment is empty.
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This compartment is full, and the Bible tells us enlarging.
This one's empty because it's been moved to heaven. The
full one is where the rich man was, and he
was conscious, and he experienced torment. So this is a
place of torment, whereas this was a place of comfort.
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You'll see that as far as the future permanent place
for the believer, it's the new Heaven and the new Earth.
So the point of that is what God wants us
to take him at his word. It's a faith proposition
to believe the Bible, to believe the writings, to believe
what He has given us. There's a lot we don't know,
but there's a lot we do know. Go with what
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we do know, and we know that Hell is a
real place. I don't believe that hell's a real place.
According to the Bible, there was a certain man and
a certain beggar, and they went to a real place.
Number two, Lie, I'll just go to Hell and party
with all my friends. I don't want to be with
all you holy rollers anyways. Let's talk about what's what
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and who's who and hell. Hell's not going to be
the party that people imagine it to be. It's a
place you don't want anybody to go, of course, not yourself,
but no one that you know.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You don't want anybody there. Here's what we know.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
According to the Bible. Hell is down and dirty. Hell
is dark and dank. Hell is big and burning, hells
worms and whaling, Hell's teeth and torment. Hell has an
entrance but no exit. Let me read to this testimony.
This is from Kenneth Hagen years ago. It wasn't a
vision in his case, it really truly was a death
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experience and near death experience. He was sick and experienced
three times. The way he describes it, he experienced three
times he left his body, and he said the way
he went out of his body was through his mouth.
He left his body through his mouth. And then he
describes this, I began to descend down down into a pit,
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like you go down into a well, a cavern, a cave.
As I was trying to say goodbye, I knew I
was going down into that place. All three of my
family members who were present, testified later, saying, when you
said goodbye, your voice sounded like you were way down
in a cave or a cavern or something. As I
continued to descend, I went down, feet first, down, down down,
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I could look up and see the lights of the earth.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
They finally faded away.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Darkness encompassed me round about, darkness that is darker than
any night man has ever seen. It seemed that if
you had a knife you could cut a chunk out
of it. You couldn't see your hand if it was
one inch in front of your nose. The farther down
I went, the darker it became, and the hotter it became,
Until finally, way down beneath me, I could see the
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fingers of light playing on the wall of darkness. I
came to the bottom of the pit. This happened to
me more than sixty years ago, yet it is just
as real to me as if it happened last week.
Brother Hagen has since gone to be with the Lord.
He ended up from that experience coming into a dramatic
relationship with Jesus Christ and went on to preach the
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Gospel and preach the Word for sixty seventy years, or
I can think it was about sixty years, because he
went to be with the Lord when he was around
eighty three.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
He's with the Lord now.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
But he had this experience three times he said, I
went down down. We're talking about what's what in Hell? Well,
Hell is down. Many people believe the Book of Job
talks about it. Some other places in the Bible talk
about the belly. In fact, people said to Jesus. He said, Jesus,
show us a sign that'll be enough for us. And
Jesus said, no sign will be given you except the
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sign of Jonah, who was three days in three nights
in the belly of the whale. So shall the sun
of man be three days and three nights in the
belly of the earth.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
In the Book of Job. But it alludes to it
as well that.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Hell, this temporary dwelling place for the disembodied dead hades shield.
Hell is located in the center of the earth. Many
theologians believe that's true based on scripture. Where's Hell anyways?
Center of the earth, There are some interesting, I think,
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just interesting scientific studies about the ocean floor and these
hydrothermal vents they call them, where sulfur dioxide gases and
heats heat in excess of many many degrees are bubbling
up and they're not sure how all this is working
even at some of those events. Interestingly, are these they
call them, like tubal worms that are super huge and
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really long and nasty.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Does all that tie into this? Who knows.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Jesus talked about that he will build his church and
the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. Amen, Well,
we're talking about sometimes we read scripatures and we just
read them like sort of poetically or metaphorically. And sometimes
that's true, there are metaphors. But other times God doesn't
waste words. So when Jesus talks about the gates of Hell,
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it's pretty certain there are gates. There's an entrance, but
not an exit. The gates of Hell and the Book
of Job but talks about on the ocean floor of
the bars of darkness.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You check in, but you don't check out.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
The Bible talks about the what's what in Hell says
it's big and burning. Of course, we always hear about
the Lake of Fire, and we always hear you know
about those parts of it. But this big part I
think is interesting. And Isaiah says, Hell has enlarged itself.
The one compartment we showed you it's vacant. Now it's empty,
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but the other compartment is being enlarged to accommodate. I
hope what you get out of today's message because I'm
going to guess many of you here you are a Christian.
Jesus is the Lord of your life. Those of you
watching online you're a Christian. Maybe those of you watching
by TV.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You're a Christian.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But for those of you that are not yet Christians,
what I want you to get is I want you
to get the reality that you are the living and
death is the destiny for each and every one of us.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
The living should.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Take it to heart, and let's make sure we're aware
and that we make a choice, a wied eyed choice,
to receive Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior. That's
the first thing we want to happen from today. But
the second thing, for those of you that do know
the Lord, is this. I hope it stirs up on you.
An imperative for evangelism I hope you don't think, oh,
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that's cool. I'm saying, man, that's great, But there's nothing
you that wants to tell somebody else. I hope something
in you get stirred up and you start thinking about
your family and your loved ones, and your friends, and
your high school classmates and your college classmates and your neighbors, the.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
People you work with.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
You start thinking about people, and you're like, am I
doing what I need to do to tell them? Like,
somebody's got to tell them. I don't have to preach
it out them. I don't have to be like scare tactics,
but just somebody has to tell them the gospel, the
good news, the realities of things. I hope you get
stirred up to do to do that in your own life.
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What's what in hell dark? Brother Hagen described it was
so dark you could cut it with a knife. Try
to put yourself in some shoes to go what would
it be like to be in the blackness of darkness?
So I think you could cut it with a knife forever.
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What would it be like to be somewhere you can't
get out? What would it be like there someone to
be somewhere and to be conscious of their family, conscious
of thirst, conscious of these things, and there's no changing it.
There's no repentance that can be found at this point,
only regret, anger, gnashing of.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Teeth, bitterness.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Hell isn't just a figment of somebody's imagination, Jesus said,
a certain man and a certain beggar went to a
place called Hell.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well, who's who in Hell? Who's going to be there?
For sure? Jesus told us.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
In fact, in Matthew twenty five, forty one, Jesus said,
speaking about the judgment of the goats and the sheep,
and the goats in the sheep is a story Matthew
twenty five, of how nations treat Israel. By the way,
sometimes people interpret that a little differently, that it's about
reaching out to the poor and those in prison, which
is all good, But it's actually a story about how
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we treat Israel, the goat nations, the sheep nations. We'll
stand before the Lord and there'll be a judgment, and
then he'll say, depart from me, you cursed into the
everlasting fire. Prepared for the devil and his angels, Hell
was never prepared for man.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's never the goal. But when man rebelled.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Because God is a god of justice, then there has
to be a consequence. The wages of sin is death.
The Bible says somebody has to pay the wage. So
you and I get to pay the wage. If we're
like I don't believe in the Bible, I don't believe
in Jesus, I don't believe in all that.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You get your choice, totally, totally our choice. Then we
get to pay the wage of death, or we go Jesus,
thank you. You paid the wage of death for me.
You paid the wages of my sin when you went
to the cross, went to hell in my place, were
raised from the dead, and then you extended to me
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an opportunity to choose you to come into a relationship
with Hugh, so that my wage was paid paid in full.
It's completely our choice, and God will never violate that choice.
So we never intended for mankind to be in hell.
But at the very same time, he's a God of justice,
and you wouldn't want it any other way. You wouldn't
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want it any other way anymore than in the world
you and I live in. When somebody commits the crime,
if there's a serial killer out there, and he gets
found out. You certainly don't want the judge to slap
him on the fingers and go no'll stop that. You
want him to pay a wage for the crime. You
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don't want to live in a society where there is
no consequence, no justice. Thank God for mercy, but you
also want justice. That's where Jesus comes in.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
We get both.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
We get the mercy because he did the justice. We
get the mercy he paid and satisfied justice.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So who's who in hell? It's interesting and Isaiah talks
about sadly. It talks about the great ones of the earth.
The chief ones had it all and they rejected Christ. Now,
sometimes it is harder for rich people to come to
Christ because they're a little less desperate. They trust in
their uncertain riches. But it does talk about in the
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Bible sadly, and Isaiah talks about that the chief ones
of the earth get to be the greeters in hell.
They get to greet Satan. Actually, when Lucifer's cast into
the Lake of Fire, it says the chief ones of
the earth they're there to greet you. They're the hospitality,
they're the VIP team. I think about it honestly, I
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think about it whenever whenever I hear a story of
some very famous person you know, who died and you
never really heard them talk much about God, or you
maybe didn't know any about their faith. I just was like, Lord,
where did they go? Did they know you? Where did
they go? Are they in Greeter training in a place
called Hell? Who's who in Hell? The devil and his demons?
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That's what it was made for. But also all of
those who reject Jesus Christ, who don't come into a
relationship with Christ. And God gives us a free choice.
He'll never twist anybody's arm. If somebody says I don't
want anything to do with God, I don't want anything
to do with Church, I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Need that Jesus.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
God will say, okay, okay, And when you die and
leave planet Earth, you will stay in that condition, nothing
to do with God, nothing to do with Jesus, in
the place that is the farthest from him. In other words,
he says, I'll give you what you want, or I'll
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give you an opportunity while you're living to come into
a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Final lie.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
The devil tells us how could a loving God, send
anyone to hell. Revelation twenty says. This revelation is twenty
verses eleven through fifteen. Then I saw a great white
throne and him who sat on it, from whose face
the earth and the heaven fled away, and there was
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found no place for them. And I saw the dead,
small and great, standing before God. Now the dead are
the ones that are in the place of torment in Hades.
Those are the dead. Dead by definition is separated from God.
Spiritually dead, separated from God. The living aren't at this judgment.
Those that are righteous are not at this judgment. The
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dead stand before God, both small and great. And the
books were opened. Heaven's been keeping lots of books, and
another book was opened, which is the Book of Life.
And the dead were judged according to their works by
the things which were written in the books. The sea
gave up the dead who were in it, and Death
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and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them.
And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire.
That place of torment will be then cast into the
lake of fire. Earth as we know it will be
destroyed because Jesus said there will be a new Heaven
and a new Earth verse fifteen. And anyone not found
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written in the Book of Life was cast into the
lake of fire. Anyone whose name was not found written
in the Book of Life. You need to get your
reservation in. You need to come to a decision to
invite Jesus Christ, a surrendered decision, a humble decision to
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receive Jesus as Lord and get your reservation in. Get
your name in the book. Whoever's name is not in
the book was cast into that lake of fire. And finally,
this is the verse that got me. This is the
passage that got me. Matthew seven. Heaven can be entered
only through the narrow gate. The highway to Hell is broad,
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and its gate is wide enough for all the multitudes
who choose its easy way. But the gateway to life
is small, and the road is narrow, and only a
few ever find it. What's not because it's hard to find,
It's because there's one way through Jesus Verse twenty one.
Not all who sound religious are really good people. They
may refer to Me as Lord, but still won't get
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into heaven. For the decisive question is whether they obey
my Father in heaven at the judgment. Many will tell me,
Lord Lord, we told others about you used your name
to cast out demons and do many great miracles. But
I will reply, you've never been mine. Go away, for
your deeds are evil. This is the verse that brought
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me to christ. I was religious. I was playing all
the religious games and being self righteous until my roommate
shared this verse with me and that some of the
worst words you could ever hear depart from me, not
just for a little bit, but for eternity.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Go away. I don't know you, I never knew you.
Is what Jesus said.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
When I heard those words in my heart back as
a nineteen year old, I knew it was true. I
didn't know him. I was religious, but I did not
know Jesus personally. It was just a few short months later, man,
I surrendered one hundred percent of my heart and said,
Jesus be the Lord of my life. From now on,
I'm going to be a Christian. I don't know what
it looks like, but I'm all in. I get it,
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I see it. I'm a Christian and I have never
turned back. And I only regret that I didn't do
it sooner.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
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Speaker 1 (22:48):
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