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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Access thousands of episodes of our Christ centered Bible based content.
On today's episode, you'll be hearing a selection from each
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Research share one of our brief daily dose emotions where
we're working.

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Through an overview of the entire Bible.

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enough to send your son Jesus Christ to save us.
I pray that you would speak through the content wind
up for today so that people would be encouraged and
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Amen.

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Okay, here's Matt Reeser, executive director of CC Podcasts, with
our daily dose emotion.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Today.

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We're going to be a John chapter eight, verses twelve
through twenty. But before we get to that, I need
to explain why we're skipping John seven fifty three through
eight eleven. So we came across a situation similar to
this at the end of the Book of Mark. Actually,
if you're interested in this, I'd recommend that you go
back to episode six fifty eight, that's Mark sixteen, nine
through twenty, where we didn't do a devotion on that text.

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But we had a conversation Pastor Bob Ericson and I
about what this means when it says the earliest manuscripts
do not includ this text, because that's the same thing
we have going on here in John seven point fifty
three through eight eleven. Now it's a different text, and
it's a more popular text than the one in Mark sixteen,
but scholars believe that the same basic thing happened. This

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is the account of the woman caught an adultery you
remember they hauled her out before Jesus, and they were
supposed to stone this woman, but Jesus said, anyone who's
without sin can cast the first stone, and then he
wrote something with his finger on the ground, and the
people who had picked up stones dropped their stones and
walked away. A very powerful scene, if in fact it happened,
and there are at least a couple different theories about this.

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One is that it did happen, but it was not
included in John's original manuscript, and whoever was copying this
manuscript inserted it here because it did happen just like
it says it happened, even though John originally left it out.
That's one take on this. The other take, of course,
is that it didn't happen at all. Here's what my
ESV Study Bible footnote says on this text. There is

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considerable doubt that this story is part OF's original Gospel,
for it is absent from all of the oldest manuscripts.
But there's nothing in it unworthy of sound doctrine. It
seems best to view the story as something that probably
happened during jesus ministry, but that was not originally part
of what John wrote in his Gospel. Therefore, it should
not be considered as part of scripture and should not

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be used as a basis for building any point of
doctrine unless that point of doctrine is confirmed elsewhere in scripture.
So here's my own personal take, and this is why
we're not doing a devotion on that text. As much
as I like the story and as many times as
I've heard entertaining sermons preached about this text, I'm going
to personally choose not to treat it like the inherent
word of God. And for this reason we're not doing

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a devotion on the text. You probably wouldn't find me
preaching a sermon on this text. And my reasoning behind
that is I want to handle scripture very very carefully.
I take every single word of the Bible as intended
by God to be there. And if there's any doubt
that a particular text wasn't in the original manuscripts and
therefore wasn't intended by the original writer, John or Mark
in the case of episode six fifty eight, I'm gonna

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stay away from it now. If I get to Heaven
someday and God says, Reester, you should have done a
devotion on chapter eight, verses one through eleven. I'm gonna say, Lord,
I apologize, but my philosophy on scripture is, when in doubt,
be as conservative as possible in my interpretation of your word.
I stand corrected, and then I'd probably ask God to
tell me the story about how this didn't end up

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in John's original manuscript but should have been included in
the Daily dose devotions. Again, if any of this interests you,
the conversation that Pastor Bob and I had in episode
six fifty eight will be of interest to you as well.
Go check that out. So let's go to chapter eight,
verses twelve through twenty, and this is debated by scholars
as being either right after the Feast of Booths, while

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Jesus stayed in Jerusalem and was around the temple, or
maybe it was included still during the Feast of Booths.
We don't know exactly for sure, and it probably doesn't
matter a whole lot. Verse twelve, again, Jesus spoke to
them saying, I am the light of the world. Whoever
follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have
the light of life. Might remember that language light of
life coming from the very first chapter of John, in

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verse two or verse three, continuing on. So the Pharisees
said to him, you are bearing witness about yourself, your
testimony is not true. Jesus answered, even if I do
bear witness about myself, my testimony is true. For I
know where I came from and where I am going.
But you do not know where I come from or
where I am going. You judge according to the flesh.
I judge no one. Yet, even if I do judge,

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my judgment is true, for it is not I alone
who judged, but I and the Father who sent me.
In your law, it is written that the testimony of
two people is true. I am the one who bears
witness about myself, and the father who sent me bears
witness about me. They said to him, therefore, where is
your father? Jesus answered, you know neither me nor my father.
If you knew me, you would know my father. Also

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these words he spoke in the treasury, as he taught
in the temple, but no one arrested him because his
hour had not yet come. So this ongoing controversy, conflict
between Jesus and the Pharisees con used to heat up
as we were talking about in the previous text and
the text before it, And when the Jewish people are
accusing Jesus of his testimony about himself not being true,

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they actually have a legitimate gripe according to their own law.
As Jesus pointed out later in the text, if somebody
is going to give testimony about something in a legal way,
it needs to be confirmed by at least two witnesses.
They're saying, you don't have two witnesses, You're only bearing
witness about yourself. Therefore, your testimony is not true. It's
not valid according to our laws and our customs. But
Jesus argues back to them, says, no, no, no, I

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have two witnesses gods. Number one is me, myself, bearing
witness about myself, and number two is God, the Father
who sent me, bearing witness about me. And so that
does satisfy your legal requirements two witnesses. The testimony is true.
And of course this is blasphemy to the Pharisees for
Jesus to suggest that God, the one true God, the

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God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God who they're
working so hard to satisfy by following all his rules
and laws and demanding that others do the same. Jesus
would suggest that that God a sent him and be
confirms his testimony that he is the Light of life,
that he is the Messiah, that he is the prophet.
As we talked about in the previous text, this is
beyond the pale. And as if it's not tense enough,

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his answer to their question about where is the Father
would twist the knife a little bit deeper. He says
they don't know the Father because they don't know who
he is. And this, friends, is pretty staggering to consider
these Pharisees in worldly terms, are the go to people
about who is God the Father. These people are the
experts of the Jewish religion. If anybody on planet Earth

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should know who God the Father is, it's these guys.
And Jesus exposes them again, saying they have no idea
who the Father is. This brings up a really important point, friends,
people on Earth who we think should be experts about
who God is might actually not have any idea what
they're talking about. The litmus tests as to whether somebody
is an expert on who God the Father is is

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not their position in some religion. It's not their knowledge
about that religion. Jesus makes it clear right here. The
litmus test as to whether somebody truly knows God the
Father is whether they know Jesus. Christ reminds me of
a verse we're gonna get to very soon where Jesus says,
I am the Way, I am the Truth, and I
am the Life. No one comes to the Father except
through me. We can't know the Father apart from knowing Jesus.

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Do you know Jesus? I hope you do.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
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Speaker 1 (08:30):
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Speaker 6 (09:12):
It is so interesting to me when you read the
scriptures how much it can humble you as a person.
You know, we're walking through Romans, Paul's letter to the
believers in Rome, and it's a great study. It's one
of the most in depth studies of the Good News
of Jesus that was penned for us by the Spirit
of God through Paul in around fifty seven AD. And

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Martin Luther said this in fourteen eighty three to fifteen
forty six when he lived. He referred to Romans as
the true masterpiece of the New Testament and the very
purest Gospel. It can never be too much or too
well studied. And so now in Romans chapter two, we've
come to that point where we encounter people who have

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experienced the Gospel. But in our hearts we have have
challenges with the Gospel. It confronts parts of us that
sometimes we're not aware of or we aren't even thinking about.
And Paul highlights two of those things today in his
message in his text, and that is why I have
entitled the message two challenges we have with the Good

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News of Jesus, the Gospel of Jesus. So Paul writes,
you have no excuse you who pass judgment on someone else.
At whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourselves.
We know that the judgment of God rightly falls, It's
based in perfect truth, on those who practice things that
are wrong before Him. And should we suppose that we

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who judge those who practice such things, and yet do
things that are wrong before God, ourselves will escape the
judgment of God. Here's the first challenge that we have
with the Gospel, and that is our universal longing for
appropriate judgment, justice, and righteousness in the world. I mean,

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you and I are made in the image of God
the imago day, and because He is a judge, we
have a judge in our hearts, and we want to
judge things, and we want appropriate justice, and we want
righteousness brought into the world. This is a part of
who we are, and Paul is describing that in this text,

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this universal longing that all human beings have who are
made in the image of God for judgment, justice, and righteousness.
And I got to tell you, all of those things
are encompassed in the Cross, but so is mercy and
grace and kindness and patience. All of those things are

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a part of God's nature as well. And so that
part of us that wants to judge things and bring
justice and bring about righteousness in the world sometimes is
challenged by the good News of Jesus. I mean, what
is this now, to have a judgmental heart. I mean
we are called to pay attention, no question, to the

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fruit that comes out of people's lives and be wise
and discerning about how we proceed with people. But we
are not to carry around a judgmental critical heart. I
mean this is to be shunned at all costs. Now,
what is this judgmental critical heart that Paul is describing

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here in Romans too that gets in the way of
the Gospel, the good News. It's a heart and that
word we've already stated it that so descriptive of a
judgmental heart is a critical heart.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
We have a theory.

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Growing in the world today, an idea growing in the
world today that many people think is really good, and
that is critical theory. I want to juxtapose it again
and traditional theory for you for a minute. When we
speak of critical theory, we're talking about criticizing things that are.

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And of course constructive criticism can be helpful. But traditional
theory is how do you build good things? Not criticize
things that are? But how do you build good things?
And I want to ask you a couple questions as
we're thinking about judgmental hearts today. Here's the questions. Number one,

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is it easier to build something or sit around and
criticize something? I mean, the answer is obvious. I don't
know if you've ever gone about building much of anything.
My wife and I have built several businesses. We have
a restaurant. You have to acquire a property, you have
to hire a staff, you have to learn the laws,

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you have to get a supply chain together. You have
to then operate and work and cook and bring a
meal to the table. There's a lot of work that
goes into building something, and it's not very hard in
our world today to sit in the judgment seat and
sit in a restaurant somewhere and pull out your cell
phone and make a judgment about something that's been built.

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It is so much easier, friends, to sit in the
judgment seat and have a critical heart than actually be
about building something. To have a judgmental critical heart is
to be a critic of someone to the point where
you make a judgment you want to deface them or

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even attempt to destroy them. You look down on them.
And I would just suggest to you today that much
of our culture is based on critical theory. I mean,
it is so easy to become a critic in the
world today, many cowards can do it. Judgmental hearts lead

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to a toxic culture, a culture where backbiting is the norm,
And when backbiting is the norm, defensiveness arises, and then
SODA's hiding and isolation and sneakiness because people don't want
to be judged, they don't want to be picked apart
by critics, and anxiety goes on the rise. And then

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there's bullying because when people have had enough, they start
to bully, and then they shame people, and then that
lowers performance, and ultimately people start to lie about things
and they create false narratives about things, and honesty and
truth go under the carpet because it's too risky because
the critics are too loud and they'll pick you apart

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if you're not perfect, and so then some people become perfectionists.
People's lives are destroyed in critical cultures. Just think of
a marriage where two individuals are critical of each other
all the time. They're judging each other all the time.
When this happens, it gets miserable enough where sooner or
later a lawyer is brought into the courtroom, or two lawyers,

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and then someone throws down the gavel and brings an
in destroys a marriage.

Speaker 7 (16:13):
It's so much.

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Easier to critique each other, to tear each other down,
and with the use of the Internet, any coward can
do it. Here's my second question for you today. Have
you ever formulated a critical comment on the Internet and
hits send? Have you ever done this? I mean, we're

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getting conditioned in our culture to have cowardice, judgmental critics
run rampant. I mean, it is easier than getting out
of bed. You just have to formulate a sentence and
hit send. And what happens when we're in a culture
like this is we start to focus on the negative

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and we isolate each other. And the evidence is all
around anxieties on the rise, and mental illness on the rise,
and all of these things. And we're getting conditioned to
do this by news stations and social media. And can
I just be real honest with you today. This is
a satanic spirit. This is satanic, friends, It's a demonic spirit.

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It's not from God. God is one who builds up,
who strengthens who empowers. Sure, there's a room for constructive criticism.
But friends, this is first and foremost about God bringing
us life, Him being a builder, us being builders in
his image, us being creative, producers, artists, generators in line

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with him. And it's not God who wants to point fingers.
This is Satan. Satan wants to point fingers. He is
the great accuser. God wants you and I to look
in the mirror, allow him to bring cleansing into our
lives through his kindness and his repentance, so that you
and I can be builders, advancers, creators of his kingdom,

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bringers of his kingdom. And so Jesus said this about
judging in Matthew chapter seven, verse three through five.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
In your brother's eye and pay no attention to the
plank in your own? A judgmental heart makes it very
hard for us to celebrate the gospel. And Paul is
talking here about the universal desire we have to bring
judgment on the world around us. So we have two options. Friend,

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We can stay in the judgment seat, which God is
telling us to step out of, not be in the
judgment seat. We can be the judgmental critic. We can
rule from the armchair as an armchair quarterback. We can
criticize others even while we're spilling our soup. We can
tell the professional athlete how bad he's doing. We can

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lob bombs at a distance. But I want to tell
you something, Friends, we don't have all the facts. We
don't know all the truths behind the scenes of anything
we're judging. So we can be the judgmental critic, Paul
is saying here, But it's just as sinful as other
kinds of sin or Paul and the Scripture says, we

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can be a loving friend. We can be one who's
up close and personal to people around us. King Solomon said,
even a critical friend done in love, that's faithful, that's good.
Faithful are the wounds of a friend. Paul is saying here.

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It doesn't matter what kind of sinfulness is going on
around you. Your job is not to judge the world,
but to look in the mirror and allow the spirit
to judge you you and cleanse you. And you're to
be a friend to the people around you. And a
judgmental attitude will get in the way of you. And

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I celebrating and sharing and rejoicing in the Gospel, and
especially it'll get in the way in going forth to
people that were judgmental love. This gets in the way
of the advancement of God's kingdom, and Paul is addressing
it here. A judgmental culture is a bad culture, and
it takes for granted the very kindness of God that

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the people in it may be experiencing. It was President
Theodore Roosevelt who said, it is not the critic who counts.
It is not the man who points out how the
strong man stubbles, other people stumble, or whether the door
of good deeds have done them better. The credit belongs
to the man who is actually in the arena, not

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to the judgmental people sitting in the stand. The credit
belongs to the actually the man in the arena, whose
face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood,
who strives valiantly, who airs, who comes short again and again,
because there is no effort without air or shortcoming, but
who does actually strive to do the deeds, who knows

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great enthusiasm.

Speaker 7 (21:16):
These are builders.

Speaker 6 (21:17):
Friends the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause,
who at best knows in the end the triumph of
high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails,
at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place
shall never be with those cold and timid souls who

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neither know victory nor defeat. They just sit there in
the judge's seat, easily spouting off criticisms. Well, there's no
question that a judgmental heart can get in the way
of the advancement of the Gospel and in the living
of the gospel and the sharing.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Of the Gospel.

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And so Paul describes that.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
Here are universal longing for judgment, justice and righteousness can
get in the way, And then he describes God's perfect
ability to handle these things. He just says it so
clearly God can take care of judging the world, bringing
appropriate justice and calling forth righteousness. So we have this choice, friend,

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pick up the gavel ourselves, or choose to be a
loving friend to the world, and let Jesus be the
judge and the gavel over to the one who is
the perfect judge, who knows all and sees all, and
judges with all the facts, all the truth present.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
This is Jesus.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
God has entrusted to his son the judgment of all things,
and so we should surrender our position as judge and
turn it over to Jesus as the perfect judge. That's
how we get rid of this and deal with this
roadblock to the gospel, our universal longing for judgment and

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justice and righteousness. But then there's this other thing that
Paul mentions here, which is the kindness and the forbearance
and patience of God or Jesus as judge. I mean
that gets in our way sometimes because he's so kind
and patient and gentle and loving. See, we like the

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patience of God and the kindness and forbearance of God
when it's for ourselves, but we don't always like God
extending these things to others that we think he should
bring more justice to. I mean, this gets in the
way of the gospel. Friends, are impatience with God's patience.

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You know, we need to remind ourselves that nobody's getting
away with anything. The perfect Judge sees all things, and
he knows all things. So we can lay down the
gavel and we can trust his judgment. And when we
do this, then we're free. We're free to love people,

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to share the good news of Jesus, to be a
light in the world. When we lay down the gavel
ourselves and then allow him to pick up the gavel
and trust his perfect judgment, friends, you and I are
then free people to live in the joy of God,

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the freedom of God, and to walk more closely with
Him and our friends. People need more of this in
their lives. We have a culture dragging us the other
direction into judgmentalism, into trying to take up the gavel,
into trying to sit in that seat ourselves. But Paul
is saying here, that's sinful, it's prideful. It causes us

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to look down on others when we're supposed to serve them.
And so if we'll lay down the gavel and we'll
trust God to be the judge of all things and
all the people, then we can be free to take
the good news to him and share his love with them.
And if they don't allow us, we can just let

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him go and trust God to work in their lives.
I want to invite you to pray with me now,
to pray with me about the judgmental spirit that's in
our culture and our world today, and about the lack
of faith or confidence in God over his perfect ability
to bring justice. Let's pray. Father, thank you for your

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word which teaches us so clearly what to believe and
how to live. And here you've taught us that we
should believe that you are the great judge, and that
you judge perfectly all things in your own time, in
your own way, and that you're patient and forbearing in kind.
And sometimes you don't settle your accounts on our timetables,
but you settle them in your own way, in your

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own time. And so believing that help us to lay
down the judgmental gavel that we sometimes pick up, that
we might know great freedom and joy and peace and
love in our hearts. We pray these things in Jesus name. Amen.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
That was Tim Buker, Associate radio preacher for the CC broadcast,
one of our three podcasts. Before I get you to
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of episodes of content and where you can find a
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interview on the ccpodcast Conversations Inspiring Interviews with Interesting Christians.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Hey, everybody, I know podcast Dad, Matt Rester.

Speaker 8 (27:13):
This is what I had to pray before bringing them
on my program, Like it's going to turn into the
counterculture Dad shows, what's going to happen?

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Hey, everybody, this is Matt Reester trying to host my
own podcast. I'm at n RB National Religious Broadcasters twenty
twenty three. We're in Orlando, and despite Dave's rude interruptions
at the beginning, I do want to give a shout
out to Reasons for Hope who have helped us sponsor
this booth. You can learn more about their apologetics work,
which is phenomenal at our four H dot com. That's

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r f O r H dot com. And so the
reason I have Dave on here with our guest Tina.

Speaker 7 (27:49):
Griff I almost said, Tina Turner.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Told me good, I hope, Marie. But yeah, I can
change it up for you purposely just can't.

Speaker 9 (28:02):
Yeah, right, that's okay, am I the only one that
calls you no.

Speaker 8 (28:06):
That is, But because I have to, I have to
just find out how this friendship goes Dave, I don't
want people to associate the fact of our friends.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yet I'm almost there.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
I'm almost here in balance.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
We're's going to take a couple of three years finally there.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
So so anyway, Dave Glander has been leading our junior
high and high school ministry at the Cedar Falls Bible Conference,
one hundred and two year old conference that Christian Crusader's
this ministry that this podcast is hosted by partners with
in northeast Iowa. It's done a phenomenal job. We have
gotten to the point where we're friendly and we trust
each other.

Speaker 9 (28:40):
And except for apparently he told me to feed them,
and then he and then he brings one hundred and
fifty kids or something.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
We got a little expensive on the old expense.

Speaker 7 (28:50):
The old bill came in and I was like, I'm sorry, dude.

Speaker 8 (28:54):
That's where I get some fishing poles and go out
and fish somewhere in Iowa.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
You got a river right back there there.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Let's go, come on, let's make it happen.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
So Dave calls me this last several months before this
coming Cedar Falls Bible Conference which he's going to be
back at, and he always builds a team to put
that together. And he says, have you heard of Tina Griffin?
I said, no, I haven't. Counterculture mom. Okay, cool, And
in all seriousness, if Dave's gonna give me a recommendation,
I'm gonna take it seriously because he's coming from the

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right place. We believe the same stuff. And he said,
here's the deal. I want her to come do a
thing with your kids at the Bible conference, but it's
going to cost a little bit more than what I
can afford. Is there any way you could use her
at the adult side of the conference, And so we're like,
I did a little vetting, went to your website, scrolled

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through everything, checked out, and so you're gonna be doing
a women's event during our conference.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
I can't wait.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
And so I just when I knew you were going
to be here, I said to Dave, let's get you
and Tina on the podcast together, and just kind of
yuck it up a little bit. But mostly we're going
to use this as something to share with our Bible
conference audience, to let them know who you are and
what you're about. Even though this isn't the c fall's
Bible conference that we're representing here. You just work closely together.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
So you're a former actress and you got a blog.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
And miss what I did the Miss America pageant, And
I'm not a pageant chick. I mean it took me
nine months to learn how to walk in high heels.
I grew up on a dairy farm in Wisconsin.

Speaker 7 (30:26):
You can book a box.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I did it.

Speaker 8 (30:29):
What I scored the highest in is playing drums, just
because I'm used to beating on things like you.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
Played drums during the competition. Yeah, oh that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
I played pianol for twenty years. To me, it was
a little bit boring. So I finally got to pick
up some drum stick.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
So you had to win Wisconsin first.

Speaker 8 (30:42):
No, I was already living in LA and I wish,
looking back, I would have tried to compete in Wisconsin.
Not saying it was less competition, but when you're in LA,
I mean, people out there have been like modeling since
they were four.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Being from Iowa, there's way less competition.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
In Wisconsin.

Speaker 8 (30:57):
There would have been less competition, but I was already
considered a California resident at that time.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
There's a statistic about Wisconsin residence that I'm not going
to say, but it would defend my position that there's
way less competition in Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I'll tell you, Oh geez, okay, all right, I have
an idea, but I don't.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Maybe it has to do with the consumption of beer.

Speaker 8 (31:16):
And I was going to say that and cheese curs. Man,
you can't forget that. I mean, do we have a
couple of good things.

Speaker 9 (31:21):
Cheese curs are like eating styrofoam peanuts.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
They are.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
From our cheering, little squeaky business saky. Yes, that's the
best part.

Speaker 9 (31:34):
If you if they had a flavor to them that
pushed them over the top, I would deal with the squeakiness.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
But it was just a cheddar cheese bite. No, when
I ate it.

Speaker 9 (31:47):
Experiment, I'm going to give you a styrofoam packing peanut
cheese curt Alright, I digress.

Speaker 8 (31:52):
You you are something else. It depends where you get
the cheese curt.

Speaker 7 (31:56):
Now, I went to a place. That's all they did.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Now, Wisconsin cheese. It doesn't it better.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
It doesn't get better than that.

Speaker 8 (32:01):
I grew up on a dairy farm about five minutes
from a Laney cheese man, we're off a Highway twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
That is the best place. You can't go to Public's or.

Speaker 8 (32:10):
Any kind of store around this country and get the
cheese that came from anywhere other than this cheese place,
because it's like crusty hard and it just doesn't work out,
just not sound a feeling.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
We got to get the right ones.

Speaker 7 (32:22):
Get your crusty hard cheese, ladies.

Speaker 8 (32:24):
No, that is not what I said. Lady's is the bomb.
I'll bring you, guys some in Iowa. I will bring
you a couple of pounds.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Man, are you Is your family still in Wisconsin?

Speaker 8 (32:34):
Yes? Everyone, we're at right outside of Green Bay, a
little tone called Plaski two thousand people.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
My parents were third cousins.

Speaker 8 (32:40):
Probably shouldn't have said that right away, but since we
I feel like I know you.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, I just thought I turned out yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
By the way, I was introduced to Tina as the
female version of Dave.

Speaker 8 (32:50):
Yes, and here's what's nuts I was about to have
on my show, And like I was saying a couple
of minutes ago, we have a very strategic process and
who we bring in as guests.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Are they biblically focused to the Lord?

Speaker 8 (33:01):
Are they going to speak truth and love, all those
different things, and Dave comes in the mix on a
form and I'm like, man, I just see fire, Like
there's smoke coming off this form. Man, either that's a
good thing or run dangerous. But when I was looking
at the introduction, I'm like, there's just something missing, and literally,
the Holy Spirit told me rewrite the intro to say
that I was a female version of Dave. And I

(33:23):
didn't even talk to him at this point. When I
got him MONI started sharing his story in the first
five minutes, I'm like, I am scarily the female version
of Dave. And so it was just like I finally
met my twin.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's awesome, which sounds very wild, but we.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Could use more of you guys, and that might be
the triplet.

Speaker 7 (33:42):
There you go. I cannot wait.

Speaker 9 (33:44):
I warned you that your if your equipment starts smoking,
just you know, I warned you in advance.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Okay, So you're in LA. Yes, you did whatever?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Miss whatever pageants women in film?

Speaker 4 (33:56):
What made you want to go to La?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
It's nuts.

Speaker 8 (33:59):
But when it became I'm a Christian, a believer at
the age of sixteen, I told the Lord that day
as I was walking towards the front. Placed my faith
in Christ. I said, I'm willing to take a bullet
for the cause. I don't care if I die in
the line of fire. I hope I don't, but if
I did, I will I will never deny who you are.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
And I want this to really mean something. I want my.

Speaker 8 (34:18):
Walk to be a serious walk that I can share
with my friends my new found faith in Christ. Because
a lot of my friends drank sex, all that business.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I wanted a different.

Speaker 8 (34:28):
Life, and so I'm shocked going to Bible.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Bible Camp.

Speaker 8 (34:33):
Since the age of ten, Spencer Lake Bible Camp, middle
part of Wisconsin. For a number of years, I didn't
place my faith in the Lord sooner than the age
of sixteen. When I was sixteen, placed my faith in
the Lord. Said I'm willing to take a bullet for
the cause. I said, wherever you want me to go,
whatever you want me to do, I want to do
it and have the largest impact on this globe for
your sake and that.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Passion.

Speaker 8 (34:53):
And it's really weird because I wanted to be famous
in la for the sole purpose of being a Christian
version of Oprah, Christian version of Julia Roberts just so
I would have the mic in my hand and say
it's all about Jesus. I get it, and they weren't
having that voice. And so I told my dad at
the age of twenty and moving to LA. He literally

(35:13):
almost had a heart attack. He said, you're not moving
out to LA. It's two thousand miles away. It says
two five hundred and forty eight miles, and I am moving.
Please give me your blessing. He prayed about it and said,
let's do this. I'm like, what do I mean, Let's
do this. Him and my mom followed me in their vehicle.
My dad never left the farm except for church on Sunday,
so I was excited to go to church because we

(35:35):
finally got off the farm. And they followed me the
twenty five hundred miles to LA. But I said, I
want to this is a journey with my friend that
I was with. She went to law school in Oregon.
I said, this is our journey, so I can't see
you in my rear view mirror. You can follow me,
but I got to pretend I'm going alone. So they
followed me all the way out there, and I was
out there for a decade, and he was trying out there. No,

(35:56):
he was there for about a week, okay, and then
a couple days, it's probably three or four days, and
then he took back, took off with my mom back
to the dairy farm. But that was the fathest he's
ever traveled. He never left the state.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Wow, So are they still up there?

Speaker 2 (36:09):
My dad passed away two years ago. My mom's like,
I'm never getting married again.

Speaker 8 (36:13):
But she gave a heartfelt come to Jesus moment message
at my dad's funeral, and within six months she was remarried.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
And he's fantastic. Wow, just got married?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Did you get back up? There?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Was just back up there for the wedding in April?

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Are you in l A still?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
I was in La.

Speaker 8 (36:29):
Now we're in Nashville and I'm married today. Four kids
fourteen and under that at homeschool awesome.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
So I told them schools, oh rock you are a Yeah,
you have four kids too? That three.

Speaker 9 (36:42):
So he's got three blondeh haair girls that are going
to make him old before his time because they're all
like drop dead gorgeous little girls that I have him.
He's just going to take after their mom. And how
old are you gonna have to have Acay's or something.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Stop a second, we are you think like.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
I think I have a shortless of potential spouses from
my kids?

Speaker 8 (37:02):
Man, how how are fourteen year old son Jake, twelve
year old son Levi? And then I have eleven year
old Eden and then nine year old Sella. But the
boys are just handsome? So we got to see what's mason?

Speaker 7 (37:14):
Right?

Speaker 4 (37:14):
There is nineteen? Okay, I got a fifteen year old daughter.
I've got a thirteen year old daughter, and they're they're
in the hunt and they and.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
The thirteen did you say in the hunt?

Speaker 4 (37:24):
The thirteen year old loves loves farm animals. Oh my gosh,
my wife grew up on a farm.

Speaker 8 (37:28):
Okay, I'm bringing all four kids, you know, to your events.
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Wait, wait, let's do it.

Speaker 8 (37:32):
I didn't ask you that yet. I was gonna surprise you,
so I would love that.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
This is a total kind of a diversion. But as
I was listening to describe the way you're wired, have
you ever taken strengths finder?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Okay, time out, So I don't. I don't put a
ton of stock in all that stuff, right, but it
is helpful to a degree.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's me. It's scary.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
So significance has to be one of your top five.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
It's not.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
No, it is Mander, which is scary because I didn't
join the army.

Speaker 7 (38:02):
Okay, well, it's like it's confidence.

Speaker 8 (38:07):
And I thought Communicator was gonna be one. Hello, I've
been speaking for twenty three years. But it was commander, authentic, Okay, whatever,
that one that connects like that, and I forgot there
was like five and they were all like, right now,
let's make it happen.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
It's urgent, and I'm like, oh yeah, that's my gut. Oh.

Speaker 8 (38:26):
The one that means you feel responsible responsible my wife
has and it's that's so mean. It's like if I've
got a crowd of five thousand kids, I feel so
heavy the responsibility.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
I want to make all the right decisions.

Speaker 8 (38:39):
I feel so responsible with the next hour I have
on stage, Lord, please give me every where I'm supposed
to share to them, because I don't want one to
go wayward because I didn't share.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Something else was to share. And it's a lot of weight.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
When you were I have, Significance is one of my
top five. And if you read significance, it makes you
sound like you're an arrogant sob. Yeah, but that's not
And when you were describing I want to go be
six successful in LA not for the reasons everyone else does,
but for the sake of Christ.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
That gets to the heart of why if you have significance,
which I assumed you did because you were just speaking it,
that's the version of significance that isn't the arrogant sob.
Maybe I can't even say sob on here.

Speaker 8 (39:17):
No, no, I hear what you're saying. And it's like,
where is the Lord represented media? If he is represented,
it's not red carpet and wave your hands to the
Lord and try to witness the celebrities.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
It's a complete oppos the message, which.

Speaker 8 (39:28):
We all know is bashing Jesus, or he's not even
mentioned at all, or God's name taken in vain, or at.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Some point you pulled out of that. I mean you
did a bunch of stuff. Actress wives had a certain
level of success. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (39:40):
As far as getting on film and TV, I did
a lot. I mean I worked, I was three feet
away from I didn't have any lines, but I probably
a good thing. I worked on Vanilla's Guy with Tom Cruise.
I was RADI old as personal driver for the Oscars.
He just passed away and I've been praying for him
for two decades.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's such a nice guy.

Speaker 8 (39:58):
But I mean he did all the raunchy violent characters
and movies and did the voiceover for Grand Theft Auto series.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Oh wow.

Speaker 8 (40:06):
And then I met Britney Murphy and that was the
AHA moment. Back in two thousand and four, we worked
on a little black book together. The movie before that
was eight Mile, And I used this when I had
shared in Wisconsin because it was a pivotal moment in
my life. I was out in LA for four years
at that time. I saw enough corruption. I was at
the Playboy Mansion fully closed, but I saw a lot
of stuff going on.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I heard a lot of stuff.

Speaker 8 (40:28):
I mean, we're talking about insane even child sacrifice type information.
I mean, it was a lot for me to digest
when I first moved out there, and I heard a
lot because I was a casting intern for a well
known casting intern or a casting person for the movies
at Universe Studios when I was twenty, so I was
getting three days full classroom time and my degree in

(40:52):
film and Television at cal State Los Angeles two days
a week.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
I was working for her.

Speaker 8 (40:56):
And I saw and heard a ton and I'm like,
this is a corrupt place. Four years into it is
when I met Brittany Murphy. The AHA moment to me
was at that point, I'm thinking, how can these actors
say and do and wear these pathetic outfits and say
these things and lead people, especially young people, to do
drug sex and glamorize that with no consequences being revealed.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I meet Brittany Murphy.

Speaker 8 (41:17):
We have a very heartfelt, long discussion on this movie,
not while we were shooting, and she said, I'm a Christian.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
I feel like what I'm doing. I know what I'm
doing is wrong. Wow, but I feel like I have
to do it in order get ahead in the industry.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (41:29):
And I realized that it wasn't the actors I should
be in a sense blaming. It was the fact that
they were being forced and manipulated by the higher ups
that I later learned how who all ran Hollywood, that
if they the pressure from their agents, if they didn't
do what they were told to do, didn't wear what
they were supposed to wear, they would be fired, canned,

(41:49):
and blacklisted. And she felt so much pressure I felt
the panic interface of the responsibility of what she knew
she was doing is wrong and what.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Was how that was affecting millions of teens?

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Can I stop you right there?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (42:01):
So I want to put a plug in for an
interview I did just earlier this week, which is up
on our podcast Now with Cameron Arnette. Cameron Arnett is
a Christian actor who's just most recently in the movie Nefarius,
but he's been into other roles. And the reason he
got out of Hollywood instead of going to staying in
that and got into Christian film industry was because they

(42:23):
wanted to do a partial nude scene. He talks about
this in the podcast, and you can go back and
listen to that episode. But I asked him partial nude.
What's the big deal, Like they wanted to show your
butt or what. And he's like, no, You're like, it's
partial nude on the screen, but you're full nude on
the set. And he's like, that's where I drew the
line and I was out of there. And so Cameron,
now he spent all this years in Christian film. He's

(42:45):
popular and well loved in these circles. He hosted the
Award show last night here at NRB. And now he's
sensing that he's gonna be called back into Hollywood and
secular film because with that kind of history behind him,
and they're going to know what they're getting because of
the road. And he's walked, which is a testimony. Is

(43:06):
a little different than who you just mentioned, but that's
a real thing out there camera.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I don't know him because he asked me the interest.

Speaker 7 (43:14):
I told him, I said, do you know Tina, And if.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
He's doing my podcast, he'll certainly do your well.

Speaker 7 (43:20):
I told him. I told him a little bit about
counterculture mom, what you were doing.

Speaker 9 (43:23):
And he asked me to introduce you guys, because he
is he's got Christ over career.

Speaker 7 (43:27):
Yes, his thing.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
It has to be that way.

Speaker 9 (43:29):
So you guys would be You guys could bounce off
of each other a lot.

Speaker 7 (43:34):
I'll see if I can call him.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I would love I would love to him.

Speaker 9 (43:38):
You guys would very same, that's what you're saying. It's
very same, vain type of ministry.

Speaker 8 (43:43):
If you have Christ number one and living in LA
A lot of people have this view. Oh my gosh,
I would never step foot in Hollywood. You know what
we need people in Hollywood that are Christians for sure,
because it's so influential, and that's where our kids are
being so led astray. Twenty years ago when I lived there,
I said, if we don't watch these violent video games
as as far as understanding what's in it, stripping it
off store shelves, we're gonna have school shooters twenty years

(44:05):
from now. And I'm eating my words that I knew
I would be eating because I saw the impact that
that media had on the kids twenty years ago and
why they were doing it. And these celebrities do not
allow their own kids to ingest their own entertainment.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Nicole Kidman.

Speaker 8 (44:19):
I was at the Oscars one year and Nicole Kidman
had her kids there with her.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
I forgot eyes wide shut, and she was up for
an Oscar.

Speaker 8 (44:26):
She didn't know they were going to play a couple
of minutes of that flick they were. She shoved her
kids underneath that table. Wow, like that wow because and
I'm like, oh my gosh, Like I was just like,
I have a sponge.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I watched something. I file it in my brain.

Speaker 8 (44:40):
I use it for like its evidence, and it showed
me that celebris do care what their kids are involved
with and what they're not involved with. Madon, I've been
talking her for twenty years, talking about her for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
She protected her.

Speaker 8 (44:51):
Kids when they were in the house, looked at every
single magazine, even the tech gadgets, make sure there was
no social media. A lot of times she wouldn't let
tech tech gadgets in the home. And it wasn't like
she tired someone to do it. She looked at what
came in the home and what they were doing. And here,
to me, it just seemed like so hypocritical to be
a great parent to your own kids but then completely

(45:12):
do the opposite for millions of other kids and be
naked on stage practically and danced around for three year
old kids to see. And that's what bothered me enough
to say I got to do something about it. And
the kids are on fire when they see the evidence.
Anyone could literally share the topic that I talk on. Yes,
I have the first hand experience which helps. I have
the stories of the celebrities that I've met, But when
you show evidence of how these celebrities shelter their own

(45:35):
kids and how they rewrite lyrics for their own kids
to listen to, and I show the evidence for that.
I have kids that seriously say not cutting anymore. Here's
my suicide note. I'm no longer going to be sleeping
with my girlfriend boyfriend, I am pregnant, I was gonna
have an abortion, not doing it.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I'm total pro lifer.

Speaker 8 (45:52):
They start to understand how they should live their life
once they are showed how they are currently being deceived.
That's the angle I've taken it for the last twenty years.
Show me why I shouldn't listen to this person, Well,
because they live this life. They don't know the Lord.
The Lord warns you from X y Z. They're making
money from plant parenthood. So that's why I don't want

(46:15):
you to be a statistic. You're being lied to and
fed trash. One other quick thing goes and then they're like,
oh my gosh, I'll totally get it now. We get
tons of stuff from teens after they hear us that
we use as dirt in the future presentations that I give.
But you had a point about someone that I wanted
to make earlier about.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Oh. Joshua Broom is on our Pop Culture Perch Tour.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Interviewed him last year. He's episode He's on.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
That sheet right there phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
What number is Joshua Broom. Joshua Broom on that episode
thirty one on this podcast, I could believe his story.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Listen to his story.

Speaker 8 (46:52):
So he's with our Pop Culture Pirds tour. Of course,
just recap. He had over thirty friends that died because
they took their lives because they were all involved in
porn videos together in Hollywood. And he's on board and
we have twenty five other speakers where we're launching this tour.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
We just did our first date.

Speaker 8 (47:09):
It was phenomenal where kids are running out of that
session saying, you know what, never looking at porn again
because the kids need to see the reality of those lifestyles.
Joshua hi glamour's glamorization of it.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Joshua himself was like one of the highest grossing actors
in the porn industry. Yeah, and was about to kill
himself yep. And so he's on this mission. He's a
preacher now, yeah, but he's exposing the porn industry as
he pastors and it's a powerful, powerful testimony.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
I love it. We have to have tour speakers, Dave.
What you shared absolutely phenomenal.

Speaker 8 (47:41):
Kids have to see the realities of that, and it's
not the big name speakers.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I'm just gonna be ron real.

Speaker 8 (47:48):
Over the years, doing twenty years of this and working
on different tours, there are people I love to pieces
that might not be a big.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Name, but their story changes life.

Speaker 8 (47:56):
Then you have the big name speakers Christian or non
that might draw a crowd, but you leave and I
feel so empty and there's nothing I can apply to
my life.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
I've heard this before, and so.

Speaker 7 (48:10):
These people like you're, you're, you're, You're standing on my soapbox.

Speaker 8 (48:14):
Yes, and kids want what Dave delivers yep. Kids want
to see the lies that I reveal. And I could
list fifty speakers that are worthy of listening to. So
if you're out there right now and you're an event planner,
pick speakers who have lived through some traumatic, insane things
that your kids can relate to, and don't ever let finances.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Or the work stop you. Our Pop Culture Perch Tour.
We have a short.

Speaker 8 (48:39):
Six page pdf that walks you through everything, so there's
no We might make it as easy as possible to
do these events and.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Your camps coming up.

Speaker 8 (48:46):
I'm so excited just to put a nail in that coffin.

Speaker 9 (48:52):
I've I've seen a lot of pastors, a lot of
churches dump an enormous amount of money on a particular
speaker that they think is going to draw a crowd. Well,
the thing is outside the church walls, people have no
clue who these people are. Even within the church walls,
a lot of times people have no clue who these
people are. And so they in my humble depits, so

(49:14):
I said, you were staying on my soapbox, and my
humble opinion, what's going to happen is they're going to
spend a whole lot of money for no return.

Speaker 7 (49:21):
Whereas if you.

Speaker 9 (49:21):
Get somebody that people don't necessarily know, but you get
let's say, one hundred people to show up. And I
think Cedar Fall's Bible Conference is a good example of
stuff like this, Like you get somebody who you might
not know exactly, but they hear them once the next
time you advertise that you're doing something. It's like Matt
said at the beginning of this, excuse me when Dave says, Hey,

(49:42):
you need to get this person, because I've had I've
got a rapport with him of people that I've brought
to him and and He's like, I know it's and
that's the best. So if you're listening, you're a planner,
that's the best way to do it is start, start
smaller and build the reputation that when you bring somebody in,
they're they're there for gold.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Yeah, so I want to We did an interview with Dave.
Dave's been on a couple of our interviews so far
this week, but we did one with him and Wade
Whacker yesterday. And if you want to learn more about
Dave's camps, which Tina referred to the equip camps, you
can go to the episode and learn more equip Camps
Reasons for Hope. What's your website where they can access this?

Speaker 8 (50:18):
Yes, And I'll just read off a couple quick things
that parents have tuned in. You're like, I want more
pop culture updates. Give me, give me some knowledge so
I can stay ahead of the curve and navigate pop
culture safely. Because we can't keep our kids in a bubble.
They're going to go nuts when they get out of
the house.

Speaker 7 (50:31):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
So how do they navigate? How do you teach them?

Speaker 8 (50:33):
How do you help them know how to make wise
decisions on pop culture media and what they should and
should watch or listen to. Counterculturemom dot com is a
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questions you can get rolling and we have forty experts
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Speaker 4 (51:34):
That's awesome. We're coming up on a time thing I
know you're up against. I got two quick things. One
is to the point of who you invite, what I've
discovered with cear Falls Bible Conference, what we need more
than now, more than ever before in America is people.
I mean, yes, I've vet our speakers. Do they believe
the Bible's an errant? Do they preach the gospel of

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Jesus Christ, that Jesus is the only way to heaven?

Speaker 7 (51:58):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Yes, yes, that's all a given. What I want to
know is do they have the guts to say the
hardest yep? And and right now, I mean, we've had
a few events over the last two three years that
have separated the week from the chaff in my mind
and the ones who are still being gutsy yeld, they're
my people, ye yep. And that's why you're with us,

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and that's why you're coming.

Speaker 8 (52:20):
I can't I cannot wait. And it's not a big
name that you have to look at. You always want
to focus on what are the needs of the audience
and how is it going to change their lives? And
who cares who the speaker is, as long as they
obviously are. I don't want to say who cares, but
I mean the name of the speaker. It's the topic
that is so critical right now. What are kids wanting
information on that hardly any churches are addressing and you

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that's why I'm so excited to partner with you. Yep,
you are giving me the freedom to be who God
called me to be with the mission that I have,
the mission that Dave has, or we can be free
to express and share the deep topics that kids are
desperately needing freedom from. And that's why I think it
was unbelievable what we witnessed from these kids in Wisconsin

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at the homeschool conference. There was what twenty or thirty
hands after an hour that we're still shooting up and
we had to acx it. That bothered me so much
about all responsibility.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
That's responsibility.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
But I'm like, oh what if I kidd Really, last
thing I want from you is for the women that
come to the women's events. Yep, what I mean. I
think they can get a gist for what you're going
to talk about. But just you've been talking about kids,
talk about what you'll talk about with women.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Absolutely, women are the caregivers.

Speaker 8 (53:29):
A lot of women today feel so overwhelmed they have
very little time to do the research. So I just
want to let the women know come to this conference.
I will give you tips and tools, and we have
the resources that are constantly updated.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Pop culture is constantly changing.

Speaker 8 (53:41):
I could throw a book in your face, but then
in six months from now that book is old. So
our app and our alerts and our website and our
program and the information I'm going to give you with
today's pop culture, what does the map look like? Who
are some not just the ones you want to run
from with your kids, but who are some excellent role
models in entertainment today that you can point your kids to.
What are some great movies coming out and not only

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watching the movie together, but then I go into discussion points,
how can you talk about that movie after you're done
watching it, where you remember and you can use it
as a learning tool. And then also video games. I
mean to talk about today's video games, the rating system,
how that works. TV shows that are currently out there Netflix?
Should you have Netflix?

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Should you not? Disney?

Speaker 8 (54:21):
Plus what's the latest with Disney symbolism, satanic symbolism and
media will blow the mother's minds away. They'll be like,
oh my gosh, they're.

Speaker 7 (54:29):
Not even trying to hide anymore.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Even trying to hide?

Speaker 9 (54:32):
Is it it used to be back in the seventies,
eighties like they were trying to hide.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
Nowadays, the show's literally called Lucifer.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Oh no, you know what I mean, Like, it's right,
it's your face.

Speaker 9 (54:41):
But that's because we've been so ignorant to it, which
is why I love what you're doing, and I love
the fact that you're bold out there just saying, Look,
you need to know that this children sacrifice things real,
that these sub sex trafficking in Hollywood, all this stuff
that you hear behind the scenes, it's a real deal
because they're the ones controlling our kids, whether.

Speaker 7 (54:59):
We like that or not.

Speaker 9 (55:00):
Absolutely, that's why, you know, making sure what they watch
and then sitting down and discussing it with him is
so important.

Speaker 8 (55:04):
It's so important, and it's not just the here and now.
I will absolutely give them the resources they need to
know how to constantly keep discerning because next week it'll
be another movie, another TV show, another book.

Speaker 7 (55:15):
I'll give a plug to her app. It's it's it's.

Speaker 9 (55:20):
Month, But dude, I mean literally, it's like it's like
two or three text alerts a day. Great, letting you
know of different events that are happening and how.

Speaker 7 (55:29):
To deal with them.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Yeah, okay, I want to for the sake of your time.
Cut this off, Dave Glander, thank you. Tina Griffin, who
has two sons the ages of my two.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Daughters, got that right, and then two younger girls and.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
We're reading off the same script.

Speaker 8 (55:43):
That's so funny. And my oldest son must be a pilot.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
And my listen, I want free airline miles.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I know, we get a lot of benefits here, we
get it.

Speaker 7 (55:51):
We go, Let's make this bloodline somehow.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Thank you for your time. Yes, we'll see you.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Why you, guys, walk? I cannot see you, guys. Thank you.

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