Dr. Abidan Shah

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You're listening to Clearview Today with doctor Abadan Shah, a
daily show that engages mind and heart for the Gospel
of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Ryan Hill, I'm John Galantis, and welcome to the
Clearview Today's studio. Welcome to another great conversation with our host,
doctor Abadan Shah, who's.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
A PhD in New Testament textical.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full time pastor, and
the host.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Of today's show. Ladies and gentlemen, Doctor.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Abadan Shah, welcome, welcome, thank you, and welcome back to
you guys.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
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Speaker 3 (00:56):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Our versus of the day today is coming to us
from Proverbs chapter eighteen, verse twenty one. Death and life
are in the power of the tongue, and those who
love it will eat its fruit.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Death and life darts.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Our words are never neutral, you know, our words never
like don't matter. You know, They're always either positive or negative.
And it says that the death and life are and
the power of the tongue, which means every conversation we
have has the potential to either encourage someone or tear
them down. And we've been talking a lot about the
power of words and dialogue and discourse, especially here these
days in America.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Absolutely. I mean, you think back to Charlie Kirk. You know,
he wanted to have a dialogue. He wanted to reason
with people, come to the microphone, tell me what you think, right,
what is it that you disagree with me? With me,
prove me wrong. I mean, that's one of the last
things that his campaign was all about, or his tour
was all about, prove me wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
And unfortunately we are in America at a very negative place,
which is if I disagree with.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
You I just want you gone.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I just want That's a very Eastern way of thinking
that we can just do away with you, and that
is not a Western value.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, it is very much the vibe of like, if
we disagree, then I have to hate you, like we
are enemies now because I disagree with you.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
And that wasn't always the case.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
It was we could have a conversation, we could disagree,
we could land on opposite sides of an issue, but
at the end of the day we could still shake
hands and go our separate ways.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Yeah, because now everything is considered to be violent. So
speech is considered to be violent. Is what I meant
to say, So if you say something that I disagree with,
then that's violence to me. If you say America is great,
But if I feel threatened when you say America is great,
then that's violent for me. So I will do whatever

(02:47):
I can to counter that violence.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
And so because and the pernicious thing is because it's violence,
I can respond in kind because you're threatening me. Right,
So now when I'm actually physically violent towards you, I'm
completely justified.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Because you have been violent to me.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
But I just talk to you, right, I'm reasoning with you.
I'm debating with you. No, I get to choose the weapon,
and my weapon will not be my words. My weapon
will be my gun, or my hands, or my knife
or my stones, whatever I can pick up to throw
at you.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, that's my choice. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I've even reading a lot of the Babylon b articles
like they are actually coming true and being played in life,
in real life.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's the old Sticks and sounds may break my bones,
but words may never hurt me. I mean, that's not
the way we're living in right now, according to some people.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Exactly, that's a crazy thing, you know. On Monday, we
talked about this a little bit. We were talking about
this relationship that Western civilization has because America, and you've
said it yourself that even when you came in nineteen
ninety one, America is almost unrecognizable from the.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
World that you entered.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
And so we started talking about the foundations of Western civilization,
and you were talking about relationship between Greco Roman identity,
really Greek reason and Judeo Christian values. For our listeners,
do you want to just kind of recap what we
talked about, just in case they didn't hear the Monday Show.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
So when it comes to the foundation of our nation,
we believe that there are three major foundational values or
foundation stones, if you want to say, of blocks. So
the first one, I would say, the center one, the
major one, would be the Bible. Years ago, a professor
did his study of all the quotations in the Constitution,

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and one third of all the quotations were coming from
the Bible, more specifically from the Book of Deuteronomy, because
that was God's charter to his people to found this
nation called Israel, and that is the book the founding
fathers turned to in constructing the framework of our nation.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
The other two foundation blocks.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Were classical authors talking about Greek and Roman and the
other one is Enlightenment thinkers. And Enlightenment thinkers really not
only did their own reasoning and study and philosophy and
all of that, but they also were appealing to ancient
Greek and Roman ideals. That's where sort of classical authors

(05:17):
and Enlightenment thinkers are sort of connected. So those are
the three foundational blocks, with the Bible being a major
one that laid the foundation of our nation. Our nation
works because of these three blocks, especially the Bible.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's kind of funny because Monday night. So we recorded
that episode and it aired on Monday. Monday night. I
was listening to just a playlist on YouTube and I
heard a familiar voice saying something really familiar, and he
said something that I wanted to get your opinion on effect, David,
if you want to, if you want to play it
real quick, we can listen. This has been Shapiro on
the Joe Rogan Pocket. This is oh, this is like
from eight or nine years ago. Oh Old live for

(05:56):
a week.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Is there a protest?

Speaker 6 (05:58):
Well, no protests yet, but suffices to say. The New
York Times book reviewer didn't.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Like it's talking about that. I'm not super vould by that.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
But the basic contention that I make is that Judaeo
Christian values on the one hand and then human reason
on the other, Greek reason, really that that tradition is attention,
and that that tension is where Western civilization lives. That
basically civilization is a suspension bridge. It takes certain fundamental
precepts of Judeo Christian values on the one hand, and
then takes Greek reason, and they're pulling against each other,

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and sometimes reason feels like it's going to dominate religion,
and sometimes it feels like religion is going to dominate reason,
and the best of all available worlds, you have a
bridge that is capable of building upon where you can
actually have a functional civilization. And if you lose reason
in the name of theocracy, then you end up with
tyrannical theocracy. And if you lose and if you lose

(06:47):
religion in the name of reason, you end up in
some pretty dark places. Because human beings don't have a
very good track record of creating their own purpose, creating
their own meaning, creating their own systems, we tend to
get very utopian very quickly, and things get really ugly,
which is sort of the story of the particularly the
first half of the twentieth century.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
So he mentions, and this is something we didn't talk
about on Monday, and I wanted to get your opinions
on this doctor Shop. We did not mention anything about
there being tension between Greek reason and Judeo Christian values.
We talked more about they seem to work together, or
at least they were, they were together in the foundation.
Do you feel like there is any tension between these
two there's a pulling against each other.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well, just the.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Way Spurgeon was asked that question, you know, so how
do you how do you mediate between Calvinism and Armunionism?
And I think I think it was Spurgean who said,
you know, I don't try to reconcile friends. So I
think the way Ben Shapiro is presenting this and I

(07:44):
seem like it's been years ago when he said that
on the Joe Rogan Show. He's he's pitting Greco Roman reasoning,
or more more Greek reasoning against Judeo Christian values from
the Bible. I would again say, you don't have to
reconcile friends. I'm not saying for a moment that Greco

(08:08):
Roman people were all Bible believing strong Christians. No, but
they tapped into this world, this world that was the
ideal that every society, culture, civilization should aspire to have.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
They tapped into it. Why did the Greeks tap into it?
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
I mean I have some ideas, but I don't think
this is the show for that, because it will get
into speculations, and I don't want to get into all
of that historical speculations. But the Greek world, forget about
the Romans. The Greek considered the Romans barbarians because so anyways,
the Greek world tapped into this ideal where people reasoned

(08:53):
with each other, They argued with each other, they brought
their distinct philosophies and try to present their worldview and
hear your worldview and come to a new solution or
or framework. That's what they did. Did they always live
in that world?

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Now?

Speaker 4 (09:14):
I mean, look at the Peloponnesian Wars between Athens and Sparta.
They fought against each other, right, look at the Troyan War.
They were fighting against each other, the Greeks fighting Greeks.
So but they did manage to hear and there live
in this beautiful world where reason and dialogue worked and

(09:40):
people did not punch each other and hit each other,
but they stood in front of an assembly and they
made their case, and then the other person would make
their case, and then they worked towards creating the utopia
that they wanted to, even if it was not perfect.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
So in that sense, in that time frame, Greek culture
and Greek reasoning really was the dominant force. It was
kind of the the ideal that everybody aspired to.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
That I would even say, aspire to.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
It's just an ideal that the Greeks were able to
experience for a temporary period inconsistently, and because their writers
were so amazing, whether it is Plato or even Socrates.
But really you find about Socrates and Plato's works, and Aristotle,

(10:32):
who comes and focuses more on the here and now
versus Plato's ideals. You know, all these things, these writings
they wrote, They wrote a lot. Okay, Plato's writings and
Aristotle's writings, there's a big difference. Now Socrates didn't write,
or if he wrote, we don't have those writings. We
only have what he mentioned, what Plato mentions about his teacher, Socrates.

(10:56):
But there's a difference between Plato and Aristotle, big, big difference.
Plato's writings are very poetic, deep principle based. Aristotle's writings
are more day to day sounding, very practical verbos, if

(11:18):
I may say different. So they wrote these things, and
then there were other writers as well, historians like Herotitis
and all that. I mean, there are there are many
many Greeks who wrote. And then of course then Romans
came along and they borrowed and stole and whatever, and
then they created their own stuff too.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
You know.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
So there's Greco Roman, but I think the Romans should
be in a small r compared to the Greco. So
it's those writings that were read by like the Romans,
they were also read by the Enlightenment thinkers. When Constantinople

(11:57):
fell to the Turks and a lot of people went
to the west towards Florence, they took with them the
writings of these ancient Greeks and Romans, and they began
to read them, and that led to what we know
today as a renaissance, a revival, going back and going wow, did.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
You did you see this? Did you read this? Wow?

Speaker 2 (12:22):
All these things?

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, so this is how these ancient Greeks and Romans.
But ancient Greeks really lived, and they thought, look at
how deep and beautiful the world is that they're describing,
and the different worldviews they have and ideas they have
about how to make a society wonderful and great and glorious.
Oh wow, this is amazing. We need to learn from

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this and create something. And it's not just these writings,
but also the arts also came towards the west, and
so the arts are also very inspiring and and really
changed art forever in the worst Eastern world.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Do you think we've strayed from that or do you
think that's gone in America?

Speaker 4 (13:06):
I think we're in this conversation. I think that's that's
further down there. We're not ready to talk about that.
Because what happened then, well, the Enlightenment authors or writers
and thinkers took this, this world of the Greeks, and
they tried to incorporate that into the world in which

(13:28):
they were living.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
So they began to discuss and talk about these ideals
and how can we implement that. This is in England,
this is in Europe. Europe, Yeah, so you have France there,
you have England there.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Uh, these were the major players, and of course you
know Germany and all that too in some ways. So
all of this, this is where that ancient Greek wisdom
is now coming into into discussion. What did our founding
fathers do, like jeff and Madison and others when it

(14:02):
came time to write the Constitution, they turned to the
Enlightenment thinkers who were reading these ancient Greeks to say,
how can we now implement that in creating.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
This new nation? We have this blank slate, how can
we do this?

Speaker 4 (14:18):
And when they read the Enlightenment thinkers, they also saw
how much they were relying on the classical writers and philosophers.
So they began to use those principles and constructing this nation.
So I wouldn't say that there's a tension between like

(14:39):
ben Ship or Shapiro says, between Greco Roman and Judia Christian.
I believe that our founding fathers recognize that these two
things go hand in hand, that they need to come together,
not that we have to like somehow make them work
and they are antithetical to each other, opposite of each other.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I don't think they are. It's not like a balancing
seesaw act.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, like I'm going to try to do the If
I do too much reasoning, then the religion part will
get become dry. If I do too much religion, then
the reasoning part will become dry. I know it's I
think they work together, and our founding fathers understood and
recognized that if we we're going to create a new nation,
why don't we bring these two things together and let's

(15:27):
merge them, and in the process we'll create something which
will blow the minds of people and give us a
nation that never existed.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I like the way you put it under shot, because
Ben Shapiro on that video talks about it as a
suspension bridge, where there's a tension that is holding this
structure up. It's built together, but the tension is what
actually holds the thing in place. But the foundation makes
much more sense with them working together and actually being
mortared together to support this idea.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I do see what he's saying. I understand his analogy,
but I think you're right. I think it's more like
because if the tension between those two isn't there, if
there's not conflict between the two, then we don't have
a nation. But I think the whole point, and maybe
I'm misquoting him, but I think the whole point is
that because they work together, because they're laid down in
the foundation together, now we have something to build on.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
I do understand why he is using the suspension bridge analogy.
I believe that analogy is for people who don't understand
the foundation. It is for those who don't understand the
found I think he is wrong in his understanding. I
believe Ben Shapiro is wrong, but I think his understanding
is wrong is because it is coming from a faulty

(16:39):
or a or an incomplete understanding of the history foundation
of our nation. Okay, so yes, throughout history people have
come and they've tried to pit reason against religion or
religion against reason.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
But what if they're they're not enemies, what if they're friends.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Leave Our nation's found founders were far more intelligent, perceptive
visionaries who understood that these two systems don't go against
each other, they work well with each other.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
So one of the things, maybe you can, maybe you
can shed some let on this because I just had
this thought, and maybe this is not the right way
to think about it. But maybe he thinks that because
he said in interviews before that he's Jewish.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
And so the there's no pressure as far as Judaism
is concerned, as far as Ben Shapiro is concerned, at
least for others to adopt Judaism. You know, this is
our religion, and it's a very personal thing and it's
just for us, and it is separated from what makes America.
Like if you asked him his policies, his idea on
like certain policies, he'll say, do you want me to

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answer from a religious point of view or from a
policy point.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Of view, because they're separated.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Very good point, and I wonder if that's why he
says there's tension between them, but we have to balance
whereas with us, we would say they're not separated at all.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Because we're not Jewish. We are Christians.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Okay, if you want to be more particular, then we
are Protestants because that's the tradition from which we come.
Where we take the Old Testament, but it's also along
with the New Testament. So we're not locked up in
some legalism or some rules and regulations that do not
make sense anymore. That we've stopped doing that. We stopped
stoning people. I don't know why, but we stop stoning people.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Right right, And so for instance, like again that interview
is like six years old, but so he may have changed.
But one of the things he talked about with Joe
Rogan in that same interview, they talked about homosexual marriage,
gay marriage, and he said, you know, I can answer
from a religious perspective, and I can answer from a legal,
legislative perspective and religious perspective. I don't agree with it.
The Bible condemns it, but this is not a Jewish nation,

(18:49):
so I think people, yeah, gay marriage is fine. He
says that, yeah, And so now I'm now I'm starting
to see in this conversation that we're having that maybe
this conflict there really isn't a whole lot of conflict
from if you're agreeing that the foundation is Judeo Christian.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Specifically, the conflict is for him, because you know, the
conflict is for him because he's looking at it as
even if he says Judeo Christian, I don't think the
Christian part is quite real for him.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
How could it be? Yeah, because New.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Testament is a non book for him, right, But for
us that's not the case. How do we see the
Old Testament law? We see it as God's rule because
of his holiness. This is God's law, because of his holiness,
he has given us this law. But then because the
New Testament.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
We know that we're no longer under law but under grace.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
But the principles still apply. So there is no conflict
for me. For him, there is some kind of a
conflict happening because the New Testament is nonexistent as far
as he's concerned for his faith.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
So then you have to look at every issue almost binary, right, Yeah,
you got to look at it. How do I feel
about this and then that what should actually happen?

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Yeah, yeah, And that's not how it works for me. Yeah,
because I see the whole Old and New Testament being
fulfilled in Christ. I see it as a story that
is one story pointing to one hero, and the hero
is Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
So there is no conflict for me.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
When I read Paul, I see plenty of reasons being
put forth. When Paul is in Athens in Acts chapter seventeen,
he is reasoning with the Stoics and the Epicureans, there
is no I am of the God of Abraham, Isaac
and Jacob, and you shall turn to the temple in
Jerusalem and sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
No, that's not what he's saying, right.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
He's like, man, God has apponent a day on which
he willdg the world in righteousness by this one man
that he has appointed, talking about Jesus. Why one man
was Jesus not God?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
No?

Speaker 4 (21:01):
They knew many about gods. They knew many things about God.
They just didn't know that the God was also fully man.
So he brings that aspect out to to to challenge
the thinking of the Athenians to to realize, this is
not a mythology we're talking about here. These are not

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your gods and goddess is like Zeus and and and
Poseidon and Hades or or or Aris or or here Hera. No,
you're talking about a real man, real man. That's why
he would put that in there.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
So uh.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Anyways, what I'm saying here is the tension does not
exist because it did not exist for the Founding Fathers
because they were operating from a Protestant worldview.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
Great point, great point, Judeo Christian. Have you on the
Christian I would say Judeo Christian balanced, but for but
for Charlie, I'm sorry for Ben Shapiro.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
He may say Judeo Christian, but he's really thinking about
Judeo and even though he may say the same things
we say, it's not the same perspective.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I mean that goes back to what we've been talking
about with things like worldview, like you're going to see
the world through a certain lens. We see it through
the lens of Christ and through the Christian life. He's
not going to see through that lens because he doesn't
recognize Jesus as God.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Because there's a conflict in his mind, like, how do
we apply these laws to not only this new foundation
called America, but also for our own lives?

Speaker 3 (22:42):
What do we do now? What do we do now?

Speaker 4 (22:44):
I mean, I guess we just hold them in suspension
for what I don't know. But the moment you bring
in Christ, all of a sudden that the cock starts turning.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
So did you see that more when you first came here?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
And this kind of goes back to the discourse argument
that we were having earlier, not argument, but the discourse
line of conversation. I guess where over the past thirty
years or so, conversation has getting harder and harder and harder,
more personal, more violent, more rude. When you came here
in nineteen ninety one, do you think the decay had

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started yet?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Or was it?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Was it still in its prime of like, hey, we're
we may be on left and right sides, but we
can still still hold the colisation.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
The decay had begun, but it was nothing like it
is today.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
What do you think began the decay? What was the answer?

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Nothing? The changing culture of America, the lack of understanding
of the people who are born and raised here. I mean,
I mean ask yourselves.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
I have a question, before y' all came here, how
much were you totally aware of the historical foundation of
our nation?

Speaker 1 (23:53):
I mean practically hero high school history class, right, And
not that you didn't believe that.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
If somebody said, hey, this is a Christian nation, you'd
be like, yeah, sure, But how much would you be
able to explain that.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
It wasn't even something that I would have cared about.
I would have just taken it as you know, Okay, cool, Yeah,
it's Christian nation.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
And then also the makeup of our nation because of immigration,
A lot has changed over the years, and because of
immigration policies. Again, I'm an immigrant, but I come with
a very different worldview. I come with a Christian worldview.
I come with a worldview that says that this nation
was founded on Biblical values, not that it was not

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infused with the best ideals of the Greek world or
Enlightenment thinkers who may not be Christians, but they were
really thinking and studying and using the best knowledge they
had to create something. No, I do allow for that,
But I also know that the big foundation stone was
the Bible.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
So I am and there are many like.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Me who come as immigrants, especially from African countries. If
they're Christians, they're very pro America.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
That's true. It's kind of funny.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Christians even from India, if they're Christians, they're very pro America.
It's the other religions that come here, non religions that
come here, even from Europe or South America, who come
with very socialist Marxist ideas. They don't get it. And
that has definitely made an impact on how people view

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our nation, how much they appreciate this nation.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Because they don't want to just live in this nation.
It's like, Okay, I don't hold to these American ideals,
but I'll live peaceably among them. They want to actively
change what our nation is is right.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
But they don't understand changing it is not an option
because changing it means removing that major foundational blog, which
means it's all coming collapsing, right.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
That's the way a foundation works.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
If you start to mess with that, everything's come in
toppling down, right.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
So we as Christians in America have to speak out
and stand up for the truth right, truth about the history,
the foundation of our nation, truth about the Christian values,
and why they matter. We have to speak out, not
in hate, but we have to preserve this. We have

(26:13):
to protect it. It's worth protecting. Yeah, and so I've
preached on this many times before that hey, everybody's welcome,
but just know that you cannot tamper with this motor.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
That's right, you know, get on the bus.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
But if I see you tampering under the motor, then
I have to say something because I'm not going to
be like, oh, well, I guess you know. The bus
was great so far, and maybe it'll become greater if
we let every person.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
You know, get up under the hood and let's do
what they want to do. No, they're tearing things up, right,
that's right.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
One of the greatest resources for people to do this
is your devotional Thirty Days of Praying for America, because
it walks through so expertly through American history and it's
it's so incredible to see it's not just like, pray
for this group of people in America, pray for our leaders,
pray for the government, and that's in there, but it's
it's a much more comprehensive look at American history. Why

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did you choose that approach?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Because we really wrote it for our children, right.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
I mean that was the underlying heart behind it, that
one day they will read it and study it and
know where mom and dad stood or what we believed.
And so we wrote it with them in mind. But
we wrote it for the for the church at large
and Americans at large. We wrote it for all people
to read that and to rethink what has been taught

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over the years or what you're finding on social media
or hearing some university professors say stop reconsider because there
is a better explanation for what makes America so wonderful
that's right and worth preserving. So that's one reason we

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wrote that book.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I love us.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
If you haven't picked up a copy yet, I cocourage
you to pick that up. It's a great devotional resource.
So it's set up with thirty days. There's some journal
link spaces in there, thirty days of Praying for America.
It is a wonderful way to walk through American history
and to know how you, as a believer can make
an impact in our nation.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Today's exactly right, and it's available on Amazon dot com.
Right now. We'll go ahead and leave a link in
the description so you could pick up your copy today.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
That's right, make sure you guys join us tomorrow, same time,
same station.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
We're going to be diving into another great topic here
on the Theorvy Today Show.

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What do you want to close with today?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Definitely want to just let you know that some really
really cool news that is coming out through prey dot
com in just a week. It'll probably be early early
next week that we let you guys know, but we'll
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are closing in on sixty thousand.

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Thank you to everybody who has followed us to its giving.

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We could not do what we're doing without your support
and without Jesus Christ. So we want to keep getting
that message into the airwaves as much as we can.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
Amen, We love you guys. We'll see you tomorrow. I'll
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