Dr. Abidan Shah

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to clear View Today with doctor Abadan Shaha,
the daily show that engages mind and heart for the
Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm Ryan Hill, I'm John Galantis, and welcome to the
Clearview Today's studio. We've got another great conversation on the
board for you guys today. But before we do anything else,
we got to welcome our host with the most from
coast to coast he eats butter toast. It's doctor Abadan Shah,
who is a pH d in New Testament Textual criticism,
professor at Carolina University, all their full time pastor and

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the host of today's show.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I don't even know what to say.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I actually had butter toast today at Denny's.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
We had butter toast. Was a nice edition.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, I never, I never I had some toast. Today
we went to Dennis. Doctor Scheff took us out to lunch.
I had pancakes, bacon and toast, and then I did.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Meat the bab I don't notice that you don't like bacon.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I do love bacon.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
I just I just want food today. No, I had
a couple of coffee.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Would you guys, what'd you guys do it?

Speaker 4 (00:50):
I'm hashbun.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's not very nice. Could you get that?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
I forgot? Oh, I had a fish fry told you
I got, Yeah, I did it has some broccoli with it,
and then some fries. I didn't finish my fries because
trying to be good.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Then again, I had fried fish.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Guys, Before we started, we want to remind you by
Doctor Jow's upcoming new book, Thirty Days of Seeing Christ
in Judges.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yes, very excited about this.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
We're excited about this devotional.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
You've heard us talk about the thirty Days devotional series
thirty Days through Crisis to a New Beginning, Praying for America,
and then this one. We ad new installment but also
kind of a new chapter in the thirty Days series
as we're journeying through seeing Christ in the Old Testament
and we're starting out with the Book of Judges.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I hope it's not I hope I'm not saying anything
out of line by saying the stock show. But we
are in the editing phase. Yes, everything edited out.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
It has been written. Everything has been written. Now we
are fine tuning things and adding material, taking away material,
making sure that everything holds together. There are no distractions.
There's no spelling mistakes or grammatical mistakes that would distract
or detract from what God has to say through that devotional.

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So we're working on that and it should be very soon.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Some of the pacing, some of the payee as well.
That's one of the things that we've been because we've
been announcing it for weeks now, so we wanted to
kind of update you where we are in the process.
There's twelve judges, right, but not all of them. You know,
some of them are like and this guy judge for
a year, nothing else, nothing about them. So you're like, okay,
you've got thirty days split over a part like eight
or nine judges. So you want to make sure that

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everybody gets kind of like a Marvel movie. Everybody gets
their moment.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, everybody gets their their time in the in the
spotlight and the focus.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Hey, before we start today, I did want to ask
you guys. I don't know how in the world you
guys have done this for years on in doctor show.
You don't have kids in school anymore, but this whole well,
you got kids in school, but not like living at
home in college. They're in college your youngest is in college.
That's right, this whole getting kids out of the bed thing.
I really thought that Gavin's excitement about going to school

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would last. But less than six weeks in and he's like,
really difficult to get He didn't want to go to school.
Not this morning. No, I was trying to get them
out of the bed and he was like, oh uh,
I'm just sleep and I was like, not option, buddy,
come on, let's go. Yep, And it just I've never
it's been something to where I'm now having to coax
him out of the bed. And I knew that was
gonna come, but I didn't think it was gonna come

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six weeks in K four. Yeah, I thought that would
be like in the middle school days. I thought I
had years of him excited to go to school.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Now my middle schoolers.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
I have three middle schoolers now in my life, three
middle schoolers in the Hillhouse, and they're they're pretty good
about getting out of the bed. The one that's the
hardest to get out of bed is the youngest one.
The youngest just turned seven, our youngest boy, Asher, he
is hard to wake up in the morning. He just
takes a long time to get moving unless he gets
up on his own. If he gets up on his
own and is he feeded the floor, he's good to go.

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But if you have to go and wake him up,
it's gonna be difficult.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Did any of your kids give you trouble in the mornings?
Were they like hard to get out of the bed.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
That's a hard one to answer. Yes, yes, they're pretty much.
All of them were like that. All four of them
were like that. Rebecca was but because she stayed up,
laid working on her stuff. Abigail again stayed up, laid Nicholas,
same thing, Thomas. I remember Thomas's final year, and and

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you know it's he should be leaving home at seven
forty seven forty five maximum to be at school, and
I'd get a tardy and seven o'clock he's still in bed. Wow,
seven o five, still in bed. Seven to ten. I'm like, hey, man,
and and mom, usually would you know, Nichole would usually
wake him up. Yeah, say come on, you gotta go,

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you gotta go.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Oh, and he's got he's gotta lay there for a
few minutes and think on things.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, awake, I gotta get my eyes open.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Right.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Senior year, especially that latter half of the senior year.
Tough to find motivation.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
One hundred percent. That whole like laying there and look
at the ceiling thing trying to get woke up. That's
you trying to figure out a way to get out
of school. One hundred percent. I remember, yeah, that I
would lay there and.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Be like, I got a little scratch in my th there's.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
Some way I can spend this my Probably I probably
could muster up a cough.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah. Yeah. Now Nick, now he's up at six o'clock
in the morning, headed to the gym. I think David
knows that, right, David, you see him six o'clock in
the morning. He's at the gym. He's dedicated. Man, he's dedicated.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
So I love it.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
A big change there.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, I'm glad he's not going at night anymore. We
were going. I was going with Nicholas at night and
David was going at night. And something happened to where
like it was it was really cool, like eight, nine,
ten o'clock. I was feeling really good, and now it's
just like I cannot, Like at nine o'clock, I'm pretty
much looking to go to bed.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Now you're waking up a four year old every day
to go cool.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
That's a significant.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, it could be that's the case. Could be, that's
the case. I'm boy howdy. He did not want to
get up today. I got him out of the bed.
And then the other one, the younger, the younger son,
my middle son, who sleeps on the bottom bunk, he
wakes right up. He's like, I go Weekavin, I go
with Scoo. I want pop Tart, I want Peppa Pig.
I won't go to the nursery like I'm like, laid
back down, buddy, laid back. He's up and I can't

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get this one to get down. So if if only
they could flip flop. Oh, it's funny. Yeah, well versus
the day.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Today is coming to us from Acts chapter seven, verse
fifty nine. And they stoned Stephen as he was calling
on God, saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know, we've been talking about Stephen a little bit
this week. In the light of Charlie Kirk's assassination. We've
been kind of looking at the parallels between these two
and we typically like to think of the injustice of
Stephen's story, right, this righteous martyr for the Gospel whose
life was taken but then there's this weird realization that
you kind of realize without Stephen, there is no apostle Paul. Yeah,

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and so it's like, in a way, I'm grateful that
that happened. Is that a weird thing to say?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, in a sense, it is someone had to die
for someone to live. Yeah. So what you find in
the Book of Acts is are these parallel storylines that
are running. What is the life of Stephen? And then
parallel to it halfway through is the life of a
man named Saul. Now what do we know about Stephen?

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The Church was growing by leaps and bounds, and there
was a complaint among the early church people between the
Hebrews and the Hellenists. Hebrews meaning these are more proper
Jewish background, believers from the land of Israel who spoke

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Hebrew or at least claimed Hebrew as their language.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
So these are not like Jewish people. These are Jewish believers.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Oh yeah, these are Christian people, but I'm believers. First
Church was Christian, right, and then the Hellenists are those
Jewish people who came from the diaspora. The dispersion, you know,
Jewish people were or people of Israel were dispersed starting
from the time of Solomon, and they were all over

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the world. And some of these people, these Hellenists, are
these Greek background Jewish people, still Jewish ethnically, but more Greek.
And there was a conflict between them over the distribution
of food among their widows.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
It always comes back to food.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Most church back to food.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Everybody's gonna arue about the poplin. Everyone's gonnaargue about.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Big church splits would be over like doctrine, like inerrancy,
you know, like atonement, like we we got to get
this right church. It's like, no, she didn't bring the
she didn't bring the right up pot salad, and yeah,
she didn't bring nothing. She didn't not the right stuff,
she didn't bring nothing.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Saw her pile on her place, and then she and
her family get right up in the front.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
I saw fixing boxes to take food home with them.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, And I mean people get upset when they see you,
you know, saying well, I got I got two more
people at home. Do you mind y'all have any carry
out boxes?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
And this is just just people in the back, just
person Yeah, you know, I've.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Been to a lot of small churches back in the
day before I became a full time pastor here. I
used to do a lot of revival meetings, so I
would go to all these small country churches and and
I found that very funny because they would have a
big fellowship dinner on that Sunday, the first revival you know,
service would be the Sunday morning, and then they would

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have a dinner or lunch. It's funny. The same situation.
You could feel attention sometimes between certain people or certain
group getting in line and the other groups are wondering,
who are these people? Why are they in the front.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
And not always, but you would see that and it's
like wow, food, imagine that happening at your church. And
it's immortalized in the Bible.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean it did right here. Yeah. But the
apostles were so discerning that they recognized right away that
the enemy had come in, and so they told the
people in the church to pick out from among you
seven men of good reputation, full of the Holy Spirit.
And wisdom means we need people who have a good reputation, credibility. Secondly,

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full of the Holy Spirit, because how can you have
somebody who is going to be in charge or managing
the church who is not controlled by the Holy Spirit.
And thirdly, wisdom. Wisdom is also a very important I
would say, you know, characteristic of somebody who's going to
help lead the church. And they found seven, but the

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first one who is mentioned as a man by the
name of Stephen, and the other six are not mentioned anymore.
But this first one is really becomes the star of
the show, and God begins to use him. In another sense,
there was a special anointing on Stephen. He begins to
do signs and wonders, he begins to preach, and there's

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a lesson there for us that when it comes to
ministry in the church, don't be embarrassed, don't be ashamed
to do those menial tasks that others don't want to do.
Be okay with, you know, plunging the toilet if he
had to, be okay with wiping down the tables, Be
okay with picking up chairs, be okay with taking the

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trash out after a fellowship dinner. It's okay to do that.
Don't immediately think that you need to have a class.
Don't immediately think that your testimony is so amazing that
Pastro needs to give you the pulpit so you can
have your moment in the sun. No, that's not how
Stephen operated.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
He didn't come in looking to preach. He didn't come
in like looking to do wonders.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
No, he ended up doing all of those things. But
he began waiting tables.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
That's right, and God's anointing was upon him, and very
quickly he was kind of pinpointed by the synagogue of
the Freedmen. These were people who were anti Christian, and
they began to dispute with Stephen. But Stephen had the
anointing of God on him, full of holy spirit and faith.

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He began to argue with them with such impeccable knowledge
and wisdom and logic and rhetoric that they could not
respond back. They could not coounter his arguments, and it
made them angry. Sounds familiar? Does that sound like what
happened to Charlie Kurk.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
It's really interesting, And I say that lightly because a
man just died. But it is really interesting to see
how people react to being backed into a corner verbally
like instead of just instead like I don't know why
it's so hard, Like, yeah, it's embarrassing, but I don't
know why it's so hard to just say, you know what,
that's a good point. I need to think on that
some more and then actually go and think on it.
But it will drive people to murder. I think not

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all people, but it will drive some people to killing.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I think what we're seeing to is a lot of
the clips that make it the most popular online are
people that walked up to the microphone at these turning
point events and didn't actually want a debate.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
They just wanted to insult. They just wanted to Yeah,
and so Charlie Kurk and with words hit him. And
that's what they were trying to do, not with logic,
not with reason, not with knowledge, but with words. They
wanted to hit him.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
And when they could not use words strong enough to
hit him. You know this one man, Kyler Robinson, he
murdered him. And so what happened to Steven is very
similar to what happened to Charlie Kirk, or vice versa.
What happened Charlie Kirk is very similar because this is
what happened to the first martyr of the church.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
I've seen some back and forth about this online, Doctor Shaw.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Is it a stretch or is it inappropriate to consider
Charlie Kirk a martyr, I would say, it's.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Not a stretch. I would call him more of a
twenty fourth century martyr. Yeah, no, different than you know
Jim Elliott, Elizabeth Elliot's husband, you know Jim and his
buddies who went to the Indians in Ecuadora, I believe

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it is, and they were witnessing to them, and you
know how they were trying to build relationships with them,
the Aca Indians, and they were trying to bring them
food and supplies, and other men like Nate Saint and others.
They went down there and in one of these these

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trips they were killed, brutally spired to death. And what
people said about them was, when these are martyrs. They
went there to share the faith. They could have easily
carried guns, they could have defended themselves, but they did not.
They did not do that. And later on Elizabeth Elliott

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and I believe Rachel Saint, Nate Saint's sister, they went
down there and they stayed among the Auca Indians, and
one of them, the killers, actually became a Christian.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Wow, praise God for that.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah, yeah, he became a Christian. And there's a movie,
you know, the things called the end of the sphere
or thingthing like that. Yeah. The Yeah, that was the
movie about this, this story, and it came out, I
believe somewhere two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, somewhere,
the Powerful movie.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, Wow, we're seeing So we're seeing the same kind
of thing happening now, although in a different landscape. And yeah,
what's even more scary here on our own in our
own nation. This is happening.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, but I would definitely call Charlie Kirk a twenty
first century martyr.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
So what do you think that implies? Because we were
talking about and maybe we can kind of go back
to this, but we were talking about how there is
no pall without Stephen, So what do you think without
Charlie Kirk, there is no what? Like, what do you
see on the horizon?

Speaker 3 (15:20):
I mean, there's a lot of people who are coming
through the Lord. I mean we had a baptism right
here at clearby Church of a lady that I've known
for many years who was just went into an overwhelming
sense of grief when she heard about Charlie Kirk. And
she didn't know much about him, right, but it really
shocked her. But it did not just shock her in

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the sense of grief or pain, but it shocked her
in the sense of wow, this is how evil evil is,
and it brought her closer in her relationship with Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I think we're seeing that all over the nation, where
people who weren't even close to him are being moved
by this. You know, followed Charlie Kirk before this, and
I mean followed him fairly closely. And his videos on
his page, we're getting about one hundred and fifteen thousand,
one hundred and twenty thousand, maybe one hundred and fifty thousand. Yeah,
like he was popular, but now like by no means,

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like each video on his page is in the hunt
like tens of millions.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Like I mean, it's it's really really insane, it's tremendous.
I mean, it's skyrocketed tens of million millions. But still yeah, yeah, well,
I mean just look at the report of the turning
Point chapters. There was before Charlie Kirk was assassinating.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I think there was something like nine hundred like requests
to have a turning Point chapter at various universities, and
now it's like fifty four thousand.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
So I mean unbelievable exponential growth of what he sent
out to do.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
And this is what you see typically on the right
that when something like this happens like to someone on
the left, not that it really ever does, but when
it does, there's a lot of spite. You know, little
the left will will act out of spite. Nobody is
joining these turning point chapters out of spite or to
stick it to the left like this is a genuine
transformation in people's hearts that we're seeing.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
And I think it's not just this lady, but it's
hundreds of thousands of people all across the land, yes,
who are either coming to the Lord or they are
being revived in their faith, in their walk with Jesus Christ.
And we as pastors and church leaders and believers should
be grateful, said, God is using a horrible situation to

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draw people to Christ, just like in Steven's situation. Stephen
is preaching and it seems like, man, this guy is
the next Great Peter. Right, Billy Graham wasn't there, so
I cannot say the next, but Stephen was the next
Great Peter.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Is.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
He's a phenomenal man of God. He is he is impeccable,
in his character. He's impeccable in his logic and his
rhetoric and his ability to reason with people. But then
all of a sudden he is killed stone to death.
And guess who the perpetrator was none other than Saul

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who was the future Paul the Apostle. And Saul was
consenting to his death means Saul was after killing Steven. Yeah,
imagine that Saul was after killing Steve.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah. We don't think about the Apostle Paul as a
as a murderer. We don't. We really don't, you know,
we really don't think about him as the bad guy.
We think about him as like, yeah, he had a
rough start, but then man, picture what he become.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
But it's like, yeah, but that's that's still what is
the rough start we're talking about? Yeah, that he was
kind of the chief bad guy.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
He was the sword that was against the.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
The way, like like he's the villain, Like he full
on the villain in that in that story.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Absolutely, it's just incredible to think, like, in the wake
of Stephen, we have Paul, in the wake of Charlie
Kirk's murder, What what enemy will now be used?

Speaker 4 (18:59):
What what the force will now be used for good
and the Kingdom of God.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Absolutely. In Steven's situation, Saul is consenting to his death.
He is still wreaking havoc in the church. He is
using every dishonest means to arrest men and women and
to drag them anybody who claims the Way. You know,
Christianity was known as the Way, the Way, which is

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very powerful. I like that far better than just christian
because the Way means Jesus is the Way, the Truth,
the life. It emphasizes the exclusivity of the Gospel. One
reason that the Early Church was persecuted because the Bible
talks about a great persecution came over the Church. We

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have a lot of misunderstanding. Some people think the Early
Church was persecuted because they believed in a crucified Messiah,
and that the Jewish people did not believe that man.
What they believed was the Messiah was going to come
and free them from the Romans.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I've heard that so many times. Yeah, they were so
shocked that he didn't overthrow the Romans.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
And that's not true because the Early Church was made
up of Jewish believers, and Jewish believers were familiar with
Isaah fifty three In fact, right between the account of
Stephen dying and Paul being knocked to the ground and
blinded and called by God, there is an account of

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the Ethiopian eunuch. And what part of the Bible is unuch?
You're reading from Isaiah fifty three, and he cannot understand it.
And as he is on this chariot heading back home,
he is reading from Isaiah and he doesn't know who
it is. And then God sends Philip the evangelist to
run and catch up with him and get on the

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chariot with him and explain to him who this one was.
And he explains to him about Jesus Christ. So Jewish
people knew about Isaiah fifty three. They knew about the
idea that one person will have to die for many.
That wasn't the reason crucified Messiah, was not the reason
why the early Church suffered persecution. And you understand these

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things when you read Paul's description of persecution. He was
lashed thirty nine times minus one five times, and lashes
were given by Jewish synagogues, not by Rome, not by
pagan cities. It was a specifically a Jewish punishment that

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could be rejected. That you could say, I don't want
to be striped by, you know, by lashes. Paul could
have walked away from that, Yeah, but he chose not
to because he still wanted a witness to them. Wow,
then it is Paul describes his suffering as being beaten
by rods, and you know, he talks about three times

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being beaten by rods. Beating by rods is a Roman
mode of punishment. Paul was beaten by the Romans. So
Jewish synagogue people punished him, persecuted him. Roman rulers punished him,
persecuted him. But then he was also stoned many times.
He was stoned and left for dead. Who did the stoning?

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Now you can say, well, the Jewish people did, or
the people of Israel did, as you see in the
Old Testament they were told to stone the adulter.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
And all that.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
That's true. But in these cities they were not just
Jewish people or Hebrews who were doing the stoning. Many
of them were idol worshippers like Pagans. Pagans so pagan
city dwellers were persecuting the Church, of course, persecating Paul.
But that's what we're learning about how the Church faced persecution,

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so Jewish synagogues, Roman rulers, pagan city dwellers. But then
Paul also mentioned in Second Corinthians about false brethren. Who
were the false brethren. These are people who claimed the gospel,
but they were also requiring circumcision, the Judaizers, Judaiers, false brethren.

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Paul faced persecution at the hands of the false brethren,
so Jewish synagogue, Roman rulers, pagan city dwellers, and false prophets.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
This is really a persecution coming from all sides and
all people groups.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, because I see what you're saying. If it were
just oh, the Jewish people didn't believe in a crucified massad,
that wouldn't explain why all these other people are coming
on andying persecuting Christians as well.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
And it's a false understanding because as a fifty three
or some people say, oh, it's not the Jewish Messiah thing.
It is really the scandal of devotion to Jesus. How
could you worship a man? Jewish people did not like that,
and so they persecuted anybody who would claim that we
need to worship a man.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, but the Romans wouldn't care about that, would they.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well, before you even do that. The Jewish people had
beliefs where they venerated certain angels, they venerated certain saints,
So you cannot say that, you know, the early Church
was persecuted because they prayed to Jesus. Jewish people did

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not really have that much of a problem.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
With that, because they knew that the Messiah would come
in the form of a man.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Right, that's right. Neither did the Jewish people have a
problem with gentiles mingling. We often think it's like, oh,
that was that's the reason why they persecuted the church
because the Church was allowing gentiles to come in. Not true.
Solomon's temple had room for gentiles. Synagogues were open to gentiles.
God fearers could come in, and god fearers did not

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have to abandon their pagan gods and goddesses. They could
still worship Zeus and come into the synagogue in Damascus.
They could still worship Artemis and still come into the
synagogue in Athens, no problem. So what is the reason.
One more reason that often is used to that this
is why the early Church was persecuted is that the

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Christians were going against the law, or they were not
keeping the whole law. Again, that's not true. Jewish people,
based on who they were, had different understandings of the law.
Pharisees had their understanding of the law. Sadducies had their
understanding of the law. The Dead Sea community the scenes
had their understanding of the law.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
There was already differences among the Jews right, There was
no monolith when it comes to the law.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
So law was not the reason why the Jewish people
were persecuting the first century Christians, who were also former
Jewish people. What is the reason when you put it
all together, whether it is synagogue, Jewish people, Roman rulers,
pagan city dwellers, false brethren, one thing they all had

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in common is we can outstand Christians. Why can't you
stand Christians? Because Christians are bad for the social order.
Christians disrupt the social order. Why because they claim exclusivity
for the Gospel. They claim that Jesus is the only
way the truth and life is because Jesus is only

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It's the only way to the Father. So persecution rose
because Christians the first century church, this first Church made
up of Jewish believers. They were not going to compromise
in their.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Beliefs, unlike today, where Christians are only triety to compromise.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, one reason Charlie Kirk was murdered is because he
claimed exclusivity for the Gospel of Christ.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
And just like then as as it is today, that's
an unpopular take.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I mean it does disrupt the social order because if Christ,
if Christ is truly king and he's the only way,
then our culture has to change.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Well, somebody may say it was well, how about the
Jewish people. They only worship, you know, the God of Abraham,
Isaac and Jacob, and did not worship the emperors. Yes,
they had struck a deal with the Rome that we
will do our thing, but we will be very supportive
to you. We will support your causes. We will not interfere.
We're not going to preach against you. We're just people
who worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If

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you let us do our thing in peace, we will
support you for whatever. We're not going to call you out,
we're not going to condemn you. Very different from the Christians. No,
he said, like, no, we're not going to bow to
the emperor because he is not God. And the Jewish
people are.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Like sh You can't say that it's got a good
thing going here.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
We got a good thing going. You're going to mess
it up for all of us. We need to kill you, guys.
So I hope you understand that the persecution came against
the Church because Christians were looked upon as being the
disruptors of society.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
I want to look at that a little bit tomorrow
when we have some more time. We're out of time today,
but maybe we can look at how Paul comes into
this whole disrupting of the social order. How Paul comes
the story here.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, someone who was of that opinion that Christians are
the ones disrupting society, and then he became the very disruption.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
That's Rience.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
That's right. So good guys.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
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Speaker 3 (29:03):
That's right.

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