Nourish Your Biblical Roots

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Shalom and welcome to nourish your biblical roots conversations with you, Elle.
I'm your host, Y l Extein, President and CEO of
the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, and through my
work with the Fellowship, I have had incredible privileges to
me so many people who have devoted their lives to Israel, servants, soldiers, writers, thinkers.
Many of them I can also call friends, and occasionally

(00:29):
I can also say that they're family. This week's guest
checks all of those boxes. I am so excited to
welcome to the podcast. Ari Harrow and Israeli originally born
in America who grew up here in the Holy Land,
served in the IDF as well as the Israeli government,
and on top of being a public figure and someone
that everyone loves, he's also my brother in law. Ari

(00:53):
served as Prime Ministers Nitanya, who's chief of Staff during
Israel's last major war in two thousand and four teen,
Operation Protective Edge. He was in the government and in
the wake of October seventh attacks and ongoing Warren Gaza,
he's been sharing many of his experiences and insights in
his new book, My Brother's Keeper. Not only of the
historical situation that Israel faces right now, but how decades

(01:17):
of conflict and threats have shaped what the Jewish state
and the Jewish people face today. He was forefront of
many of those conflicts and many of those decisions. So
today I want to talk not only about Ari's experience
in Israel's government and military and how he sees the
situation in the Holy Land through those lenses, but about

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his life as an American, as an Israeli, as a veteran,
as a public servant, as a Jew, and as a father.
So Ari, welcome to my podcast. I'm so excited to
have you here.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Thank you, Al It's so exciting to be here with you.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I have so much I want to talk to you about,
because we've had many late night talks about table discussions
and everything you say just engages me and everyone that's there.
You have such a unique perspective and so much wisdom.
But let's start with your personal life. You are in Ole.
You made Alia to Israel when you were a child

(02:12):
from California. Can you tell me a little bit about
your childhood, your memories of making Aliyah, and about your
family's move to Israel.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Of course, so I was born in Los Angeles in
the early seventies and to a very Zionistic family. And
when I say family in this sense, it's not just
my parents, it's the entire extended Harrow family, my grandparents,
my uncles and aunts. They were very, very active and

(02:43):
really pillars in the Los Angeles community, not only for
Jewish causes, but causes that supported the State of Israel.
And I grew up on stories not only of the
trips and the voyages that my grandparents and my parents
made to Israel. I mean, they made their first trip

(03:05):
to Israel. I believe within a few years of the
creation of the state. I think maybe I don't remember exactly,
in the early fifties they took the family to visit
the State of Israel and that activity never ended. My parents,
my father grew up going to Israel regularly and they
were very active in Banika even other such organizations. So

(03:28):
it was always a very very Zionistic family, and I
as a child, came to Israel quite often. We had
an uncle and aunt that lived at the time in Pettikva,
and we would come to Israel during the summers. And
when I got to the age of eleven, my parents
started sending me to summer camp in Israel and with

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the knowledge that we were going to be making alia
moving here sometime soon. So when we actually did move,
it was not really shocking. It was something that I had,
I guess, grown up to believe was going to happen.
That really is the transition to when we got here incredible.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
So from a young age, your parents made sure that
you felt emotionally and even physically connected to Israel, so
when you made that big move, it wouldn't be traumatic
or even dramatic, but a natural transition, which sounds like
such a healthy way to do it. And from the
time you were born, you knew that Israel was ultimately home.
You use the word Zionistic family and use Zionism a lot,

(04:35):
and it makes me realize how today perhaps Zionism has
a very different context from when you were growing up
in the seventies, or maybe not. When you say that
you grew up in a Zionist family, what does that
mean to you And do you think it's the same
as people who would say they grew up in a
Zionist family today.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, there's no question that historical context is definitely very relevant.
When you talk about it type of ideology and emotional beliefs.
You know, in the seventies and the eighties, Israel was
considered by many Americans, not just Jews, right, but as

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a far away Middle Eastern sort of backwards country. Right
when you made Alia, you did not have the luxuries,
you didn't have the products, you didn't have the conveniences
that you had in the United States, and it was
very very it was perceived as a very difficult move.
So back in those days, it really was a deep

(05:38):
seated belief almost, I would say, you know, theological belief
in the direction that we as a family were taking,
but you know, part of a much greater cause. And
with time and I think this is you know, fantastic

(05:59):
and maracus as you see the transition of the state
of Israel and you see Israel really closing the gap
in many many ways. I mean, I can tell you
I travel quite often to the US to spend time
with my wife, with your sister, and once upon a
time when I went, when people travel to the US,

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you come back with suitcases full of, you know, different things.
I don't take anything with me anymore because there's pretty
much anything you need here in Israel. And while that
is a material way of looking at things, it just
shows how it's become a little bit easier for people
to envision themselves making that transition. So I don't think

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that the element of Zionism has necessarily changed. There's still
a deep seated belief by people who come here, and
it's tremendous to uproot themselves their families, similar to the
commandment that Abraham was giving right to leave your home, place,
your language, your family and come here. So while the

(07:06):
challenges tend to change and history changes, I think that
the deep, the deep seated elements of Zionism remain the same.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Incredible, incredible, And it's that longing for Zion, that longing
for home that has followed the Jewish people for thousands
of years. And you and I both are so privileged,
lucky that we live in a time where you could
just make that decision to get up and follow those
steps of Abraham and relocate your life to Israel. But

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we both know that even within the relative ease today
compared to the seventies, for sure, it's still difficult in
the sense of culturally. I know many Olem new immigrants
who say I will never fully feel Israeli. But at
least my children will, at least my grandchildren will. I'm
doing this for the future generations. Been through a journey

(08:01):
here in Israel, and you came relatively young that it
seems like you feel pretty Israeli. Was there a moment
in your life that suddenly you took your own personal
identity from being a kid from Los Angeles to being
a proud Israeli and that was your identity.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yes, there was that moment, and that moment, in essence
was really when I do on the idea of My
parents moved he here and we started off in an
absorption center, and from there they moved to their home
in Karnes Amran in the Veil Lisa. In both those
places we were surrounded by other English speakers. So while

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there was a transition in schooling was in Hebrew and
ordering a falafels in Hebrew, ultimately after school and in
your social lives, we were talking English. We were speaking English.
We were friending people who had similar backgrounds and similar challenges.

(09:04):
The Army is what changed that for me, joining the ideas,
and it truly is a great equalizer in this country.
You know, it sort of emerges together people not only
from the type of background that I came from, but
people from you know, richer homes and poorer homes, Ashkenazi
and Sfardi, religious and non religious, and in many cases

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even Jews and non Jews. And to enter that world
where there was Hebrew and there weren't any other languages,
and there is Army Lingo, which is new to everybody.
At that point, that was really the moment where my
path and the path of the State of Israel completely intertwined. Wow.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Wow, So you have served in the Israeli Army, You've
been dedicated to protecting this homeland. You've lost friends. I
know every year on Yomasi Karon and Israel Remembrance Day,
I read your posts and I see the names of
your friends and the pictures. What did you do in
the army and what did that service mean to you?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
So I served in the Golani Infantry Unit, and after
nearly a year of basic training and advanced training, we
ended up serving in a number of active zones. At
the time, Israel had a presence in Lebanon, and we

(10:35):
did a tour of duty inside Lebanon and then another
tour of duty in Judeu and Samaria. So it gave
us the you know the experience of not just practicing
and not just training in military activity, but actualizing it
in real life situations. And you know, there was a

(10:58):
specific moment. It's actually the first time I ever publicly
wrote anything. When we were serving in Lebanon, and I
guess I must have been around twenty years old at
the time, and I was doing guard duty on this
outpost that we were serving in, and out of nowhere,

(11:20):
rockets started falling all around us. Isabella, by the way,
no change. I mean, this was probably nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Our kids are experiencing the exact.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Thing in the army exactly exactly. I mean, here we
are thirty years later and you know, similar, similar reality,
although back then we did not have you know, red alert.
We did not know the rockets were coming. Suddenly, you know,
suddenly there's rockets. And as I took cover and waited

(11:52):
for you know, the barrage to end, I thought to myself,
how crazy is this that just a few years ago
I was in school in Beverly Hills and my friends
today are on their college campuses. I mean, college campuses
were a lot safer back then and they're you know,

(12:13):
having good time and going to parties and going to
sporting events, and they're moving on with their lives. And
here I am. I am. I'm gonna start crying when
I say this, but you know, here I am protecting
the Jewish state and the Jewish people. And it was

(12:33):
such a glaring awakening for me that this is what
my belief system, my upbringing, my religious beliefs, my world
has come to fruition through that work. And it was
at that moment and that incident that really sort of,

(12:55):
you know, turned on the switch in my head.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's incredible listening to it because I think as any
Israeli parent, you could relate to it so much from
so many different sides. One is kind of that place
of recognizing the decision just as an individual that you
gave up a life of relative safety and luxury in
order to come here, and just by living in Israel,
every single person is defending Israel and the Jewish people.

(13:23):
And now hearing what you're saying about the college campuses
and about our youngsters who now go and defend Israel
from this existential threat. As a parent, I look at
it so different, So I could see the twenty year
old Ari who's having that recognition. And now as a
parent who's sending my child to the army. You have

(13:44):
two children in the army right now. It's amazing how
those values and faith can overcome any sort of fear,
that this feeling of being on a mission, a holy
mission and a much needed mission, overcomes anything. I've seen,
for example, in your life, how you are the most involved,

(14:05):
active father who always knows where his kids are. We're
always in touch with his kids. And you sent your
daughter to the army during war where she stationed up
north in a base that has been targeted. And I've
seen how even in that position of father, you are
so proud of your daughter for standing with Israel, defending Israel.

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And it's a reality that we see continuing to repeat itself.
But now we'll get into the area of politics and government.
Is this just our destined reality or is there something
else that can be done in order to usher in
new days of peace that our grandchildren won't have to
do that. So let's move a little bit from your

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incredible childhood personal life to your life of politics. When
did you know that you wanted to enter government or
did you know you ended up being in one one
of the most respected, important, coveted positions of chief of
staff to the Prime Minister of Israel. How did you
get from an La boy to Israeli soldier being bombarded

(15:13):
by rockets, from Risbala to the chief of staff to
the Prime Minister of Israel.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
It started, and really the great motivation took place in
the army as well. I had a friend in the
army whose name was Joshua Friedberg, and Yoshua was a
twenty four year old Canadian bull He had finished his

(15:40):
university studies and at the quote unquote, you know, late
age of twenty four, decided not only is he moving
to Israel, but he's joining the army without his family,
picked up and came here, and in a short period
of time, a relatively short period of time, we became
close friends. Served together in Golani was He was a

(16:04):
great soldier, and I guess long story short, he was
kidnapped one morning on his way to base by Arab
terrorists and murdered. It was my unit who three or
four years days later found his body off the side

(16:24):
of the road between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, and that moment,
and that loss changed my life, seeing how he picked
up and left everything behind, not just this fam I mean,
he had finished college already, he had his path laid

(16:44):
for him in Canada, where whereby he you know, his profession,
his friends, and he decided that there were you know,
there were ideals, and there were goals, and there were
acts that were more important than his own personal convenience
and his own personal I guess goals. And it was

(17:09):
at that moment that I decided that my life's path
needs to be one of giving to the Jewish people
in the State of Israel. And it wasn't clear to
me day one that I wanted to go into government.
I just knew that I wanted to do for the
country and for the people. I started off working in

(17:30):
the realm of Rasbarrah in pro Israel activism, pro Israel
activity anywhere I could, anywhere I could find it, and
that led me to a number of nonprofit organizations, and
through the work of those nonprofits, I came into contact
with a number of people within the political realm, and

(17:50):
really the first person that really had a deep impact
on me is currently Minister in the government, Ron Dermer.
He was also Israel's ambassador to the United States, and
from that moment on he really became a mentor to me,
and he brought me into the Nataia Who campaign when

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Natanie returned to politics in the early two thousands, and
that was my first interaction with him with Israeli politics
and government, and that led me down the road and
down the path towards position and I ultimately ended up.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Filling incredible that backstory gives so much meaning to your
new book, which is called My Brother's Keeper Ntaia Who
Obama The Year of Terror and Conflict that Changed the
Middle East, which is available at Amazon or wherever our
listeners find the books that they read. When you entered politics,

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when you entered Nintonia Who's government, you did not think,
I'm sure that you would be experiencing one of the
worst crisis is Israel endured. Definitely from the time that
I moved to Israel. Kidnapping, murder, war tell us about that.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
So the prime Minister's office in general and the prime
Minister's activity is really unique in the sense that I
truly believe that the position of Prime Minister of Israel
is the most difficult position in the world. Were a
country that is not the size of the United States,

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but not the size of the UK or France or Germany.
But the existential questions that are raised and the existential
threats that we face never dissipate and never disappear. You're constantly,
constantly dealing with security and defense questions and situations. Our

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international relations and diplomacy are always critical to the state
of Israel and so on and so forth. So it's
not the position, you know. I think Natania once upon
a time said that the United States is similar to
like one of those huge battleships where it's just extremely

(20:18):
large and powerful, and the one, I guess challenge that
those battleships have is to turn around, right if they
have to shift directions, it takes them a very, very,
very long time. I mean it takes many, many hours
for them to turn things around. Israel is I guess again,

(20:38):
fortunately and unfortunately, we're more like a speedboat, right where
this little thing who when needed, needs to turn on
a dime. But when you're a speedboat and you're surrounded
by threats, it makes for a very challenging reality. And
working in the Prime Minister's office, we constantly faced challenges
always right around the corner. But as you said, there

(21:03):
was nothing as dramatic as what we faced in the
summer of twenty fourteen. The kidnapping of the three boys
is a scenario that Israel really was not that familiar to.
We have had our share of kidnappings in the past
within Israel. Many times it's been military and security personnel,

(21:29):
for example, you know the famous story of Knakshan Waxman.
But to have civilians, and to have three civilians and
to have three children being those that were kidnapped, really
had the country on edge until until we unfortunately found
them murdered.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
And so are you pick us back just for one second,
for our listeners that don't know that story, maybe you
could tell us what happened, what three boys were kidnapped,
to the kidnapped by and you can tell us also
through the lens of being inside the government at that moment.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Sure, we're talking about early June in twenty fourteen, and
it's a Thursday night, and two high school students learning
in the Etsion bloc in Blushetsion decided that they're going
to get an early start on the weekend and leave

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their school their dormitory Thursday evening at around nine pm,
and they walk out to the bus stop at the
edge of the settlement and at the bus st up
they bump into another individual, a boy that is just
a year or two older than them, who too was

(22:48):
looking to make his way back to the center of
Israel for the weekend. And it's very commonplace within Judan
Samaria for residents two hitchhiker. The public transportation there is more,
you know, sparse, and therefore they rely on each other

(23:09):
to move from place to place. So when a car
drove up playing Hebrew music and there were two what
seemed to be Yeshiva boys in the car wearing their
key pote and seat seats, they figured that, you know,
this is a great opportunity to take one step closer

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to getting home. And it did not take long. Within
seconds of the three of them entering the car, a
gun was pulled on them and it was clear that
they were abducted by terrorists. Ultimately, we learned weeks later
that the terrorists murdered all three of them within minutes

(23:53):
of abducting them. The two terrorists were members of Hamas
they were they were part of the large and I
guess most prominent Kamas family in the region of Hebron,
and the activity that Israel and the IDEF took in

(24:14):
trying to locate these boys. Mind you, it took I
don't remember the exact amounth It took a number of
weeks until we were able to find the bodies, and
then it took longer to find the actual Paaris, but
we did, and in the aftermath of the abduction, Israel

(24:36):
basically threw a large net over the entire region and
began to arrest many Kamas activists. This led to Hamas
in Gaza trying to support their co terrorists by firing
missiles and rockets into Israel. As the days went by

(24:58):
and weeks went by, those bombardments became larger and larger.
In Israel's response in turn became quite significant until the
moment came more Israel decided that enough was enough and
we have to send in ground troops. So the abduction
of three boys, which ultimately, as I said, were their

(25:22):
bodies were retrieved, national ceremony that the entire country a
watch with teary eyes and heart wrenching, just horrific, really
just merged into what ended up being the last cause
of war.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Thank you so much for that context. And it's incredible
listening just to the story of your life. How we
see in every way just history repeating itself. How we
still have those Krisbala terrorists who are firing at Israel
when you were a soldier firing right now at US.
Just last week, actually, Fellowship soup kitchen had a direct

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hit in Kuria, simone from Krisbala rockets. Those same terror
rackets that were targeting you are now targeting the next
generation of Israel and the elderly who are still there
in the soup kitchens and everything they could possibly hit
in Israel. We see how Hamas is still trying to
destroy Israel the same way they were trying to destroy

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Israel in twenty fourteen when they kidnapped and murdered those boys.
There are so many stories, so much wisdom, so much
insight in your book, My Brother's Keeper, from that time
of both handling in Israel the war and the terror
and the decisions, to the international messaging, to the conflict

(26:47):
between President Obama and Prime Minister Nitanya who on how
to handle certain situations. But it seems like everything is
in a way very similar to what we're seeing today.
Given your very in depth personal experience, both from a
government and a citizen level, do you think that this
cycle could ever end? And what do you think we

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need to do in order to get there?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I think that if you take a you know, reverse
reverse the time machine just for a minute, and you
have you don't have to go that far back. How
long ago were we celebrating the Abraham Accords. How long
ago were Israelis in mass flying to Dubai and to

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Bahrain and to Morocco. It seems like a lifetime ago,
but it really was just around the corner. And that
is a reality that came as a result of very
specific policies here in Israel. Abraham Accord was not a
result of parts of the world waking up one morning

(28:01):
and saying, you know what, we want to have peace
with these guys. It was them looking at reality straight
in the eyes and recognizing and realizing that the threats
that Israel faces are the same threats that they face
from fundamentalist Islam and from Iran. And as such, they

(28:23):
recognize that if they want to protect themselves on a
regional basis, and if they want to expand their economic diversity,
which has become a very big priority within the Gulf.
Then a relationship with Israel and peace with Israel is
not nice to have, but it's a necessity. And in
twenty fourteen and the war in Gaza that took place,

(28:46):
then we sent a very strong message to that region
that we are not going to accept rockets into Israel.
If we have to act, we are going to act.
And this is a reality that is unattainable. There was
another event that came on the heel so that that
actually took place in early twenty fifteen, and that was
the Prime Minister's address to Joint Session of Congress. It

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was a very controversial speech. The President of the United States, Obama,
was not very happy with the fact that Prime Minister
in Natanya was going to address Congress in a way
it was done within the political context of the US
by the Republican leadership. But Prime Minister Natanyau recognized two

(29:36):
very important things when he decided to go and give
that speech, and I'll tie it into the current reality
in a second yew Number one, he decided and he
really defined his legacy by this up until October seventh,
that the greatest threat to the state of Israel is Iran.

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And if I am invited to speak to a joint
session of Congress, even if the President of the United
States is not happy about it, I'm going to do
this because of this threat. We need to bring this
threat to the forefront of public discourse so that the
nations of the world recognize that this is not something
that we, as a Jewish state, will accept. I remember survival,

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right we you know we love your support. We will
not wait around for your support when it comes to
our survival. And number two was that in the face
of evil, Israel is going to act even if it
ruffles the feathers of the greatest friend we have in
the greatest country in the world. And while much of

(30:44):
the media focused at that time on the political rift
between the United States and Israel, between President Obama and
Prime Minister in and Tongau, what most of them missed
was the messaging that was being sent towards the Gulf States.
And not long after that, and mind you, the day

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of the Prime Minister's speech in Congress, many of those
same Arab countries secretly reached out to the Prime Minister
to congratulate and to show their support. That really was
the beginning of what ultimately ended up becoming the Abraham Accords,
and the Abraham Accords brought numerous Muslim and Arab countries

(31:28):
to the table and ultimately reached peace agreements with the
State of Israel. That trajectory was very very much clear
and on its way until October seventh. So when you
talk about how do we extract ourselves from the current
reality and put ourselves back in a position where we're

(31:48):
expanding peace and not war, it is that those same
lessons that we learned from twenty fourteen. Nobody makes peace
with a weak part. Nobody makes peace with a country
that does not promote their common interests. And the common
interest that Israel has with let's call them the moderate

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and you know, or those countries that are not part
of the Iran axis. The only or, i should say,
the most important facet that Israel brings to the table
is our ability, our military ability to stand up and
defeat that evil. And the only way we can get

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back on track with that, be it Saudi Arabia, be
it some of the other countries that are waiting in
line to reach diplomatic relations with Israel. There were reports
before October seventh that Indonesia, which is on the other
side of the world but one of the large, you know,
one of the largest Muslim countries, was ready to begin

(32:57):
diplomatic talks with Israel. None of them will move forward
unless we defeat Hamas. None of them will move forward
towards peace if they see weakness in Israel. None of
them will move forward if he rans if Iran's reach
in this region continues to grow and continues to expand.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
It's fascinating. It reminds me of the Biblical verse seshem
osla Mohalom that first God gives strength to his nation,
and God blesses his nation with peace. If we want
to have relations with the Arab countries, we have to
find something in common with them, and we have to
serve a purpose, and what that is is defeating terror.

(33:46):
They are just as scared of terror as Israel is.
The Iranian terror is just as much a threat to
them as it is to Israel. In fact, I just
saw today that in Saudi Arabia there was someone holding
up a Palestinian flag, and immediately the police came and
took it. That it is illegal to hold up a
Palestinian flag in Saudi Arabia because of what it represents.

(34:07):
So it is an incredible journey that you've seen. We
can speak for so much longer. I want to just
take so much more wisdom and experience and put it
towards understanding situation now, so we'll have to have you
back again, Ari. But as you know, as we're talking
about the potential for peace and bridge building and how
these incredible Abraham Accords have brought so much light to

(34:30):
the Middle East, to Israel, to the entire world of
what's possible. Most of our listeners are Christians, and there
are some estimates over seven hundred million Christians around the
world who stand with Israel being in the Nittanyahu administration
for so long. Is that something that Prime Minister Natania

(34:50):
who knows about. Is it something that the government of
Israel knows about and appreciates, and is it something that
you think is important to the future of Israel.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
So Prime Minister Natagnel was really one of the early
believers in the relationship. I don't think he beat your
father to holding that banner, but he was very very
early on in the process. He recognized the importance of

(35:23):
our Christian friends around the world, and for the thirty
years that he's been in politics, he has made it
a central pillar of his outreach, not only to the
US community, but around the world. And I think that today,
maybe more than ever in Israel's history, the support of

(35:46):
our Christian friends and brethren is needed and is critical
for the State of Israel. We find ourselves facing us
tsunami of hatred, a tsunami of ignorance, a tsunami of

(36:07):
really diabolical association with those that are looking to destroy
the State of Israel. And while we will do our
part to stand up to this, this is you know,
the Jewish state and the modern Jewish state that has
the ability to stand on its own two feet. That

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can only be done with true support from our friends
around the world. And whether it's in diplomatic circles, whether
it's in political circles where whether it's in philanthropic circles
where every single one of our supporters around the world
needs to allow their voice to be heard. We're living

(36:53):
in a period now where really the essence of good
versus evil, right versus wrong is being challenged, is at
the forefront of every conversation and it's not enough for
us to do what is right here in Israel. We

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need the support and the voices of Christian supporters all
over the world to be heard loud and clear. And
when that happens, I am positive that we will see
the type of historic and miraculous turnaround in the state

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of Israel and around the world. Their support is just incredible.
We are grateful for it, and we need to continue
to hear it even louder and even clearer.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Ari Harrow, author of My Brothers Keeper. If you want
to hear more stories and get a little bit more
behind the scenes from Prime Minister Natanyahu's administration and conflict
between Nitayahu and Obama, as well as the areas that
were beautiful and where there was deep friendship mutual respect,

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you can buy Ari's book, My Brothers Keeper. I'll link
it in the show notes. Ari, thank you so much
for joining me. Thank you for sharing your wisdom, your experience,
your life with my listeners, and thank you for everything
you do for Israel and the Jewish people.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Thank you y'all, and thank the Fellowship for really just
you know, there's not a corner of visual that you
visit that you tour not an army base where you
don't see the incredible work that you guys do. And
as a citizen of Visual and as someone formally in
the government, I want to thank you and thank the

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Fellowship for everything you do