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Speaker 1 (00:04):
God has good things for you.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You can use your faith and believe God, and you
can expect miracles.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Don't let sit and steal what the Bible says about you.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I believe in miracles.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm Richard Roberts, I'm Lindsay Roberts.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is pray dot Com.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And you're listening to Pray Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Okay, here's my opening question. How are you guys still here?
You guys have been through so much.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
No, I'm just saying, how are you Dynastay still around?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah? I'll tell you how because we believe there's nothing
impossible with God. Honestly, nothing in the world is impossible
with him. And it's that simple for you. It's that
simple because I believe it.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Because you guys have been through the ups and downs,
whether it be privately or publicly. You've you've gone through
the height of everybody singing your praise. You've gone through
the flip side of that, where there's criticism and lies
and just craziness. I'm sure there's been been moments where
you've wanted to crawl in a hole and just say
I'm done with this.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Forget I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
You give your life to help people and the same
people you're trying to help are hurting you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
How do you how do you deal with that? How
many times have you thought of quitting? Rot?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Okay, so we're not all alone.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
It's normal to quitting time.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I went to Oral his daddy, Oral Roberts, and I
was fed up because the newspapers were saying things that
that were just you know, there was no way to
refute them. I mean, they were so good at what
they were doing, I could have believed them. They were
so talented and how they were written. And you get
to a point where, first of all, you think, my
children are seeing this is ridiculous, and you can't quit
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because you don't want to let your children see you
quitting in the midst of lies like that. And you
get to a point where you know this is this
is interesting because I read I was watching a movie
and in the movie there was a guy that was
a reporter and his boss was saying about the girl
he was going to interview. When you interview her, treat
her like a lady. When you write about it, forget
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she has a mother. So this is the way the
world works in many ways. This is the way media
works in many ways, and I was new to it.
I was in law school. I was a bookworm, was
a nerd, that kind of person married to me. Yeah,
and then I get married to Richard and I'm thrown
into his dad. At that time, I think someone told
me was the fourth most recognized man in the world,
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and my brain didn't calculate that. I wasn't prepared for that.
I got accused of being five months pregnant when I
had been told since I was eighteen that I couldn't
have a baby, and I went years and years and
years with miscarriages and a dead child, you know, trying
to have a baby. So it was the cruelest rumor,
and the worst part about it was I hadn't even
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known him for five months, right, So the whole point
of ridiculousness was I was going to quit before we
ever even got out of the bucket shoe. I was
done before I said I do. And his dad came
to me one time, and I had been actually had
been there was somebody would just use the word stock
that was horrible, and I'd had enough. And this person
got to one of my kids and I was finished.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You remember what you said?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
And I said, yeah, I said, I quit and he
said he said, he said, okay, this is not or Roberts.
He doesn't just go okay. You usually get some spiritual dissertation,
which now I wished I had, but at the time
I wasn't you know, I don't want to hear it.
And the truth was, he said, you think quit? And
I thought, okay, something's coming. And he said, but what
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would you do knowing the power of God, knowing that
you have an ability to teach the Bible, knowing that
God has called you to do something? How can you
quit and be in disobedience. You're welcome to do it,
but how can you do it?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And I thought that wasn't very fair? Iquit?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You remind me of a story in the Bible when
a lot of people quit Jesus. They went away, they
left him, and he turned to his disciples and said,
will you quit me too? And Peter and the other
spoke up and said, where would we go? You have
the words of life? And that's a good story of
Lindsay and me. Where would we go if we quit?
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God is our source, He is our provider, and we
look to him as the author and finisher of our faith.
And no matter what we have been through, what we
are going through even now, or what we may go
through someday. God is our source and he's our strength,
and he will bring us through. He always has, he
always will.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
This may sound like a silly, weird answer, but truth
be told, it's the answer popping into my head. So
I'm going to say it.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeh, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
As resilient as I am scriptural. I don't have that
resilience in my own strength. I don't have it. I
can't tell you how many times I've quit. Richard used
to say, if patience is a virtue, Lindsay's virtuous. I'm
not a patient person waiting for the other tide today.
And all this to happen is just not in my
natural feth, physical makeup. It's not in my psyche, my suitcate,
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my way of thinking. But truth be told, I know
the Bible enough. I'm no big Bible scholar, but I've
read the Bible, studied the Bible, studied at you know,
the feet of oral Rabberts. I've studied the Bible my
whole life very much. And in saying that, I know
that there are a lot of difficulties in the Bible.
Esther was in danger. Just about every time she turned around,
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shadracked Meshack and a bed and ago. Every time they
turned around, it wouldn't bow to the to the conforming
of the way of the world. They risked their lives.
Daniel got thrown in a lion and said, we can
just go through Genis to revelation. They wonder, this is
my funniest part of the Bible. And this is, I think,
what makes me giggle and kind of keeps me going.
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There's a scription in the Bible that there is the
demoniac of the gallery and demoniac. He was the demoniac
of Gadera. The Bible says Jesus went over there to
lay hand on him and cast the out right. And
when he found him, the Bible says he was living
in graves and naked when he cast and nobody cared.
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But when he cast the devil out of him, he was,
the Bible says, clothed and in his right mind. At
that point they tried to kill Jesus and run.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Him out of town, and they and the people were afraid.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And the people were so we're not afraid.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
They were not afraid. When he's running around through the tombs, naked,
scaring everybody half to death. Now he's fully clothed and
it is right. And the people were afraid.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
They retaliated against.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Jesus and they put him out of town.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So you know, I say, I call it fickle people.
But when people one minute are your friends, in the
next minute your enemies, I call it the human fact.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well that's why you can't fail. You can't make people
your source. People are not sources. They are instruments. And
you cannot look to people. Yes, yes, thank God for people,
but you look to God. He is your source.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So Richard, for you specifically, because you've been the main
face for lack of a better term, So like even
in the area when your dad was leading a lot
and you kind of you you've always kind of been
a spokesman. So how have you dealt with scrutiny, hardship,
all those things and knowing that the camera's turning on
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tomorrow and you've got to smile and get through it.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You just can I tell this one his dad, you
send him out to the media to face the giants
because so often there's a good point to it. So
often or it couldn't handle it. It hurt him. It
devastated him, It broke him. I've seen him weep, I've
seen him in tears. I've seen him defeated. I've seen
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him quit. I've seen him say, I'm never going to
do this again. All I'm trying to do is bring
healing to people. I can't do this anymore. So I
sent Richard and the truth be told. There's a lot
about Richard that this may be weird to say it,
but I think he is. He hasn't. I'm going to
call it my way, a supernatural strength that he can
do that in a gift, an ability to be able
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to his mom was like that. Oral and I were
not like that.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
My dad would say something that would get all kinds
of media attention, all kinds of scrutiny, and he would
run to the Cheris Brook and he would leave me.
He said, Richard, you go on Larry King Live, you
go on Good Morning America, you go on Good Day
in LA And.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
What would you be thinking, What would what would human
Richard be thinking?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
My dad, dad going to do their best to annihilate me.
But I learned. I learned. I learned through the experiences
I learned in dealing with the media, Can I share
one of my big secrets?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yes, this is That's what this is, isa Ed.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I learned to first of all, to pray, to pray
in the spirit and get it and get the mind
of God, and then have prepared what God wants me
to say. No matter what kind of question they ask me, it's.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Just going back to what you felt in your heart.
You were supposed to say.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, I know this sounds like a very strange thing,
but pull out a dollar bill and people get weird.
If you're talking about anointing, okay, they kind of sometimes
are really weird. But you pull out money. Money, it's
okay for somebody to literally throw their money into the
devil's den with It doesn't matter anything from I'm going
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to say, I'm just throwing out things that are in
my head. I'm not accusing anybody, but you know, if
if there's money tossed into some of the things I
see on television to me are like I'm old here,
I'm old enough to say that's like pornography, and they
don't care. Some of the things I see on television
are so to me it's demon spirits and nobody cares.
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But the minute the gospel starts to make sense. And
it takes money to put the gospel on stations, to
feed people in other countries, to generate the gospel of
Jesus Christ through the airwaves.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
To do the greater work Jesus said will do.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, we have feeding programs in India. We are doing
things in Pakistani.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
We have sewing centers who got ten sewing centers now
in India name the Lindsay Robert Sewing Center.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Things that my brain is just thinking out to me
or I call them good works. The Bible calls it
greater work? Shall you do? Until we start doing stuff
like that, it seems like they leave you alone. But
when you have enough funding to do really some good works, right,
people flip out. They flip out what kind of car
you drive? And yet Hollywood, realistically, who may not be
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making what I would call Jesus movies, they don't care
what they drive. In fact, they almost celebrate some of
the things that I just feel like Satan has adopted
or Satan has impacted. And as long as they're celebrating it,
then the world celebrates it. Okay, I can deal with that. Well,
when Christians start celebrating it and attacking other Christians. Yeah,
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what were you thinking? What's wrong with you? You know
who they say they? You know, I idolize that person, or
they're my mentor. I've got some lovely mentors. I wrote
a little book called The Company You Keep. In fact,
you were helping me on some of the things about that,
because we said, the company you keep is the company
that's keeping you. And I think God is holding us
accountable for some of the things that we as Christians
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go into agreement with. I always say, what you allow,
you're in agreement with. And I think that we have
to reach a place as Christians how much damage are
we doing by being the accuser of the brethren, and instead,
how about finding the root source, the devil himself. There's
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good and evil, there's God and the devil. God. God's
name in the Bible was always good, which always translated
the word good and devil d apostrophe ev i l devil,
the evil one. And so when we recognize it, why
as Christians are we just saying oky doki and then
turning around and really not even knowing the entire story
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attacking another Christian. I don't think God called me to
be the accuser of the brethren or all used to say.
Jesus said, if I be lifted up, I'll draw all
men into me. And he'd say, lindsay lift Jesus up.
That's how you get people saved.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
One more thing nick that I learned in my life.
When you point your finger at somebody, remember you got
three fingers pointing back at yourself. Jesus said, do unto
others as you would have them do unto you. Be kind.
The Bible says, let us love one another. And that's
what Christians need to do. Get rid of all the
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strife and the argument over scriptural issues, and get rid
of I have to dot e the same way you do,
or cross my tea the same way you do, or
you cast me out. No if if you love Jesus,
I remember, I remember a pastor of a large church,
six thousand member church came to me once. You said, Richard,
I don't pray in tongues. I don't pray in tongues.
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I pray every day, but I don't pray and tongues.
How do you feel about me, I said, My brother,
have you received Christ as your savior?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yes, I love them with all my heart, I said,
that settles the issue. You're my brother.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
We're on the same team, my brother, we're not.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
We're not opposing teams. You know, we're We're not a
defense against an offense, or an offense is a defense.
We're on the same side. A lot of us love
one another.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I heard a weird story that you know, I'm not
going to say, thus saith the Lord, because it was
you know, when you hear a story that someone said
about a story who said a story about someone you knew.
I heard a story about a guy that was going
to rob somebody and he was so careless that he
ended up shooting himself in the leg. It was a
person that supposedly, you know, we knew, not a friend,
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not a not a close but someone I had heard of,
someone I knew. I think sometimes we have to recognize
when we are attacking carelessly as the body of Christ.
Sometimes we're shooting ourself in the foot. Sometimes we're doing
more damage. Okay, you might win the argument and be really,
really really correct, but did you in that argument lead
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a sinner astray? And I've heard people say I don't
want to be a member of the Body of Christ.
All they do is fight each other. There's some truth
to that my whole heart, and I'm wrong a lot
of times. I'm not scripturally perfect. I'm not spiritually perfect.
I'm not perfect in the household. I'm not perfect anywhere.
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I can't be only one perfect person walk the earth.
The rest of us have what I call the human factor. However,
in my imperfections, if I have a heart to lead
people to Jesus, I think that them getting into Heaven
might just be more important than me be even wrong
on every little, tiny biblical detail. I don't want to
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be wrong biblically, but you know, I'm not a huge scholar.
I'm not perfect as a human. But at the same time,
if my job is trying to get people saved or healed,
or delivered or turned to Jesus, and somebody is so
worried about nitpicking against another member of the body of Christ,
could they possibly be doing more damage keeping a sinner
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away from Jesus. Are they not representing the love of God?
They'll know where Christians by our love walk. If we're
not representing that love walk, maybe we're turning people off
to Christianity. I'm Lindsay Roberts. Follow me on social media.
At Lindsay Roberts Official. I'm Lindsay Roberts and this is
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cray dot com. Have you ever faced situations where you
are dealing with people who are just difficult or situations
that are just simply difficult? Well, I know I have,
So let's pray right now. Father God, we come before
you seeking patience and understanding and dealing with difficult people
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and challenging situations. Dealing with these areas of our lives,
help us remain calm and composed in the face of
adversity and respond with grace. Father God, your grace and
your compassion, even if we're faced with conflicting or misunderstanding circumstances.
Give us the wisdom Lord to see situations from different perspectives,
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and the empathy Lord to understand the feelings and motivations
of others. Help us communicate, Lord with kindness and respect,
and seek peaceful solutions in all of our interactions. Fill us,
Lord with your patience so that we may navigate through
the moments with grace and Lord with humility. Thank you
for your presence, for your guidance, and all circumstances that
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we face. Lord, Thank you for the opportunity to grow
in patience and understand. And this is in your name,
we pray, Lord Jesus, Amen and amen. If you need prayer,
call the Abundant Life Prayer Group at nine one eight
four nine seven seven seven seven, or go to Richard
Roberts dot org slash prayer.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You're surprisingly comfortable being able to talk about some of
those things that I would think make you would make
you feel uncomfortable. But it's like you're able to talk
about them, but you don't carry them like you hear
people that go through hardship and you can tell like, oh,
they're still there, they're still living in the past, like
they carry it with such pain. How have you How
can you do that?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Now?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Have you guys been able.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
To David say, Yay, though I walk through the valley
of the shadow of Death, I will fear no evil.
You're going to go through things in life, and those
things help make you what you are, but you've got
to go through them. You can't park in the middle
of the problem, and you can't dwell and live in it.
You've got to get through it. And that's what she
and I have done all of our lives.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
How have you not become jaded?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Chip on your shoulder, binge ada or angry.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I have been angry to how I process anger. I
have been frustrated. I have been wanting to quit. I
have been feeling like I will never be able to
get up and get through this or think through this,
because I'm real analytical. It's just who I am. And
then I also revert back to Richard was going to
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be a professional golfer, and he also got an opportunity
to sing at what hotel?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
A big shot hotel in Las Vegas. He had a
contract to sing there. So when you think about all
those things, I look back and say, why wasn't I
just a lawyer and you a golfer?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I really do. And I sometimes get so beat up
that you think I'm sorry my children have to be.
I love my children. I worked hard to get them.
I had six pregnancies to get three kids, miscarriage after miscarriage,
a son that died after thirty six hours. I had
surgery after surgery. So I wanted my children, and I
worked hard to get my children. But there are days
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when I think, God, bless my children. I'm sorry that
they're in this family, not that I didn't want my children,
but I'm sorry they have to go through as the
collateral damage of being in the family of Oral Roberts.
It was bad enough. Oral was oral, and he chose it.
Richard was his son. Okay, he was born into it,
but he still chose it. I was naive, but I
chose it. My children didn't. And if I could tell
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you stories, which I absolutely will not glorify the devil,
but if I could tell you stories of what my
kids have been through, there's where bitterness can come in
as a mama, as a I don't know how to
explain it. Compassionate mother, a caring mother, a mother who
wanted their children. So when I think of those things,
I think in that area could be where I could
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get the most tripped up. And instead I have to,
like I said, I am more scriptural than sensible, so
to speak. I have to go back and I have
to take the Bible as the Bible. I can't pay
can choose the parts I like. Yeah, I can't pick
and choose the parts that make me feel good. The
Bible is the Bible, and it all is supposed to
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be for my good. The Bible says, all things work
together for your good. Not all things are great, not
all things are peachy. He said, we give praise not
for every situation, but he said, give praise in the
middle of every situation. So if I want to be
scriptural more than emotional, that's tough for me. But the
Bible says, and I have to believe that. I either
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obey the Bible or disobey the Bible, and I have
to make a conscious effort to give it to God.
It's easier for him. It's more in his personality. Maybe
it's because he's had more years of experience. Maybe it's
because I'm more emotional. I don't know what the answer is.
All I know is the only thing I know to
do is say what to God says.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I used to sing an old Bill Gaither song. Bill
and Gloria Gaither wrote it, and the words go like this,
hold on, my child, joy comes in the morning. Weeping
only last for the night. You hold on, You hold
on until the.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Morning, and you know, sometimes your answer doesn't come. I
love that song, by the way, but sometimes my answer
doesn't come in the morning. Sometimes years later I'm still
looking saying I thought this would have been over with.
Sometimes months later I thought, can't the truth come out
about this for Haaven's sake? What can I say? And
many times I feel like there will be a day.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
When I say, but you just keep holding on.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
But until I reached that day when I you know,
I always say I could write a book. I could
write why.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Have you always guys always chosen not to?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I think there's twofold to it. Number one first and foremost.
If God releases me, and he may release me to
tell my side of some stories. But there's also the
other side that Oral always said to us. I could
meaning him about himself. I could refute this, I could
get up, But he said, would me making myself feel
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better about me? Would that damage the body of Christ?
That's tough because there are people in the body of
Christ that I could tear down right now and bam,
they know who they are. But ultimately, let's think about
it the bigger picture. Ultimately, if they're leading people to Jesus,
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if they're winning souls, if they're doing something for the
greater good of the team. You know, sometimes we sit
on the bench and there's I don't know the right word.
There's a very qualified jerk that's making three point shots.
They're still winning the game. Okay, there may be some
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qualified jerks that are Christians, but if they're doing enough
to bring in the Kingdom of God, the jerk part
is being a personality. Maybe their heart's right before God,
maybe their heart's more pure than mine. I don't want to.
My granddaddy used to say, get in a spitting match
with the skunk. He said, everybody loses. I just the
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day may come, the day may never come. But God
did not write the Bible with lindsey and mind saying
when's my turn to talk. He just wrote the Bible
for me to trust him. And maybe sometimes my biggest
faith statement is to keep my mouth shut.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Then I have learned not to strike back. If you
look at Jesus in the garden of Gifthsemone, he was
betrayed by one of his own and when they came
to arrest him, Peter took out his sword and cut
off the ear of the high priest's servant, and Jesus said, no, Peter.
He reached down, picked up that man's ear and put
it back on his head, and healed him. Turned to
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Peter and said, if you live by the sword, you're
going to die by the sword. Vengeance his mind saith
the Lord. I will repay, leave vengeance in the hands
of God, because, as Lindsay said, you're not their judge.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
You know, I may not. We're joking about writing a book,
but the truth is I would never write a book
for revenge. I would never write for vengeance. I would
never write a book to get even. So telling your
truth is not necessarily revenge or getting even. There's a
lot of people that really God said, go ahead and
tell your truth, you know, and so that's not I
would never condemn that. And I may choose at some
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point to do that, and I have to make sure
I do it with a pure heart. I have to
make sure I do it without damaging the body of Christ.
I'm not out to watch somebody gravel so that I
feel good about myself. My reward may be here, I
may get to say things, I may never get to
say things, but I want to make sure my reward
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in heaven is secure. I don't want to mess I
don't want to mess up my relationship with what God's
told me to do. I can't. I can't take that risk.
I'm not a worm, I'm not a dormant. I'm not
crawling on the ground. And like I said, the day
may never come, but they may come. But I think
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some of the people think that when you don't talk,
it's a great sign of weakness. Right, Sometimes not talking
is the greatest strength You'll love.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, it's very good.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I want to ask one more question, then we'll be done.
You know, we live in the day of cancel culture,
Lindsay you mentioned several times even talking about criticism, thinking wow,
my kids are seeing this or having to navigate stuff
through family. When I talk to people and we talk
about you, you know, they talk about you being heroes
of faith. They talk about you being generals, and you know,
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in the faith world, I see you as not just
heroes of faith, but for me being able to know
you a little more personally, I see you as heroes
of family because your family is so strong, so loving,
so connected. Yet you've gone through all all so much.
How have you, guys, navigated the family side of that,
being able to keep things healthy.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I personally think it's a miracle. I mean that sincerely.
I think that some things only God can intervene, and
only God can operate in a miracle. I believe that
my going through some of the things I went through
that were hideous, horrific, ridiculous lies. I think some of
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my vindication is not necessarily me going and saying a lot.
Some of my vindication is exactly what you said. Our
family is super close. We all love God. We work
well together. You know, we giggle at opportunities, at opportunities
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to be together. Yes, a lot of families work hard
to find opportunities to get apart, but strangely we find
opportunities and reasons to come together. That's a miracle to me.
That is God's smiling back at Lindsay saying, hey, Sweety,
that's part of your remork.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You know. We we're together a lot, We have dinner
together a lot. We still call them every night to
prayer for them. We shall rent them in prayer. We're
very close. And you know, they my family, Lindsay and
our girls have been through everything with me that I've
been right. And if they go through that with me,
don't they deserve to have me go through that with them. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Plus they know truth, and that's you know, and I'll
tell you the truth. My kids many times have said, Mom,
write the book, write the book. Yeah. And like I said,
maybe someday for them. I will. Maybe I never will.
But the one thing I do think is I have
to say, if I could, this is really weird. I'm
not trying to puff myself. I don't believe that. I
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don't believe in that, and you know me well enough
to know that's not my personality. But I will say
this about myself. When I don't know what to do,
I will just shut myself off and pray. And I
feel like that's been my sanity, my secret weapon, my hope,
my future. I promise you I will shut myself off
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and I will pray. I'll tune out everybody's opinion and
listen to God.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
And one more thing I'll add this when I make
a mistake, when I've blown it. Yeah, when I've messed up,
I'll get my family together and I apologize. And I
don't say, Girls, Lindsey, if I've done something that has
hurt you, I'm sorry, take the IF out of it.
That's not an apology. I've learned how to say, Look,
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I messed this up. I blew it. It's my fault.
I take responsibility. I'm sorry, Please forgive me. I would
do my best. If this never happens again. How many
times have I done that? And I think my family
appreciates the fact that when I do make a mistake,
and I'm a human, I make mistakes that I own
it and I realized I was wrong and I.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Make a change one thing orl He used to do
that I honored so much, just so much. Is he
really did recognize being human. And he had a weird
saying that I think if we ever really got this
embedded into our spirit, he'd say, why did Jesus go
to the cross for forgiveness of sins? He said, people
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who are perfect don't need to be forgiven. They're perfect.
And he said forgiveness was created for your mistakes. That
hit me. Now, that doesn't mean go make mistakes and
say whoop forgiveness. You know, that's a that's a heart issue,
that's a that's an issue where you you know you
you twisted that scripture to fit your occasion. No, the
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truth was, if you've honestly, sincerely made a mistake and
you have a sincere heart to be forgiven, that's why
Jesus went to the cross, not for your perfections. If
you have some, celebrate them. Wooh, I don't but hey,
if you have some hey make a poster. Praise the
Lord good for you. I do some things nicely, I
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do certain things well, okay, celebrate that. But he went
to the cross for your imperfections, you know, and don't
be afraid to ask for forgiveness and move on.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Probably, David King, David made more mistakes than anybody, at
least big mistakes. His mistakes were publicized around the world.
And yet God called him a man after his own heart.
Why because when David realized he was wrong, he got
on his face before God and he repeted and thank
God for repentance. And the Bible says in first John
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one nine, if we confess our sins, he is faithful
and just to forgive us of our sins and to
cleanse us. That's what she's talking about, cleanse us from
all in righteousness.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And if people will not allow you that second chance,
that needs to be put in the forefront of your mind.
You and I talked a long time ago about the book.
It's a tiny little book, but it's got a lot
of interesting points to it. The company you keep is
the keep company that's keeping you. Maybe, just maybe you
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need to take a good hard. Look at the company
you keep, Because for me, if I am forced to
be around the people who will never forgive me or
never let something go okay, I'm forced to be around them.
It doesn't mean I have to make them my best friends,
and I don't have to listen to their counsel. However,
the people that are in my close circle that I
listened to and I gleaned from the company I keep,
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i'd choose to keep to me are those that give
me the scriptural foundation that I have a right to
be me. I have a right to repent, I have
a right to start over. And they celebrate, you know,
when I get back up. I know people celebrate knocking
you down, holding you there. I like to be around
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people that even if you are down, they celebrate you're
getting back.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
You know. The books, she's a little book. She's talking about.
The Company you Keep is available on our website as
well as many other resources. Just go to Richard Roberts
dot org slash bookstore. All of the resources are available.
Access exclusive content by me Richard Roberts right here on
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Speaker 1 (31:53):
Discover hope and healing.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I'm Richard Roberts, I'm Lindsay Roberts, and you're listening to
Pray Radio.
God has good things for you.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
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can expect miracles.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Don't let sit and steal what the Bible says about you.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I believe in miracles.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm Richard Roberts, I'm Lindsay Roberts.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is pray dot Com.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And you're listening to Pray Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Okay, here's my opening question. How are you guys still here?
You guys have been through so much.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
No, I'm just saying, how are you Dynastay still around?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah? I'll tell you how because we believe there's nothing
impossible with God. Honestly, nothing in the world is impossible
with him. And it's that simple for you. It's that
simple because I believe it.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Because you guys have been through the ups and downs,
whether it be privately or publicly. You've you've gone through
the height of everybody singing your praise. You've gone through
the flip side of that, where there's criticism and lies
and just craziness. I'm sure there's been been moments where
you've wanted to crawl in a hole and just say
I'm done with this.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Forget I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
You give your life to help people and the same
people you're trying to help are hurting you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
How do you how do you deal with that? How
many times have you thought of quitting? Rot?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Okay, so we're not all alone.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
It's normal to quitting time.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I went to Oral his daddy, Oral Roberts, and I
was fed up because the newspapers were saying things that
that were just you know, there was no way to
refute them. I mean, they were so good at what
they were doing, I could have believed them. They were
so talented and how they were written. And you get
to a point where, first of all, you think, my
children are seeing this is ridiculous, and you can't quit
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because you don't want to let your children see you
quitting in the midst of lies like that. And you
get to a point where you know this is this
is interesting because I read I was watching a movie
and in the movie there was a guy that was
a reporter and his boss was saying about the girl
he was going to interview. When you interview her, treat
her like a lady. When you write about it, forget
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she has a mother. So this is the way the
world works in many ways. This is the way media
works in many ways, and I was new to it.
I was in law school. I was a bookworm, was
a nerd, that kind of person married to me. Yeah,
and then I get married to Richard and I'm thrown
into his dad. At that time, I think someone told
me was the fourth most recognized man in the world,
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and my brain didn't calculate that. I wasn't prepared for that.
I got accused of being five months pregnant when I
had been told since I was eighteen that I couldn't
have a baby, and I went years and years and
years with miscarriages and a dead child, you know, trying
to have a baby. So it was the cruelest rumor,
and the worst part about it was I hadn't even
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known him for five months, right, So the whole point
of ridiculousness was I was going to quit before we
ever even got out of the bucket shoe. I was
done before I said I do. And his dad came
to me one time, and I had been actually had
been there was somebody would just use the word stock
that was horrible, and I'd had enough. And this person
got to one of my kids and I was finished.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You remember what you said?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
And I said, yeah, I said, I quit and he
said he said, he said, okay, this is not or Roberts.
He doesn't just go okay. You usually get some spiritual dissertation,
which now I wished I had, but at the time
I wasn't you know, I don't want to hear it.
And the truth was, he said, you think quit? And
I thought, okay, something's coming. And he said, but what
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would you do knowing the power of God, knowing that
you have an ability to teach the Bible, knowing that
God has called you to do something? How can you
quit and be in disobedience. You're welcome to do it,
but how can you do it?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And I thought that wasn't very fair? Iquit?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You remind me of a story in the Bible when
a lot of people quit Jesus. They went away, they
left him, and he turned to his disciples and said,
will you quit me too? And Peter and the other
spoke up and said, where would we go? You have
the words of life? And that's a good story of
Lindsay and me. Where would we go if we quit?
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God is our source, He is our provider, and we
look to him as the author and finisher of our faith.
And no matter what we have been through, what we
are going through even now, or what we may go
through someday. God is our source and he's our strength,
and he will bring us through. He always has, he
always will.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
This may sound like a silly, weird answer, but truth
be told, it's the answer popping into my head. So
I'm going to say it.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeh, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
As resilient as I am scriptural. I don't have that
resilience in my own strength. I don't have it. I
can't tell you how many times I've quit. Richard used
to say, if patience is a virtue, Lindsay's virtuous. I'm
not a patient person waiting for the other tide today.
And all this to happen is just not in my
natural feth, physical makeup. It's not in my psyche, my suitcate,
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my way of thinking. But truth be told, I know
the Bible enough. I'm no big Bible scholar, but I've
read the Bible, studied the Bible, studied at you know,
the feet of oral Rabberts. I've studied the Bible my
whole life very much. And in saying that, I know
that there are a lot of difficulties in the Bible.
Esther was in danger. Just about every time she turned around,
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shadracked Meshack and a bed and ago. Every time they
turned around, it wouldn't bow to the to the conforming
of the way of the world. They risked their lives.
Daniel got thrown in a lion and said, we can
just go through Genis to revelation. They wonder, this is
my funniest part of the Bible. And this is, I think,
what makes me giggle and kind of keeps me going.
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There's a scription in the Bible that there is the
demoniac of the gallery and demoniac. He was the demoniac
of Gadera. The Bible says Jesus went over there to
lay hand on him and cast the out right. And
when he found him, the Bible says he was living
in graves and naked when he cast and nobody cared.
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But when he cast the devil out of him, he was,
the Bible says, clothed and in his right mind. At
that point they tried to kill Jesus and run.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Him out of town, and they and the people were afraid.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And the people were so we're not afraid.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
They were not afraid. When he's running around through the tombs, naked,
scaring everybody half to death. Now he's fully clothed and
it is right. And the people were afraid.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
They retaliated against.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Jesus and they put him out of town.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So you know, I say, I call it fickle people.
But when people one minute are your friends, in the
next minute your enemies, I call it the human fact.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well that's why you can't fail. You can't make people
your source. People are not sources. They are instruments. And
you cannot look to people. Yes, yes, thank God for people,
but you look to God. He is your source.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So Richard, for you specifically, because you've been the main
face for lack of a better term, So like even
in the area when your dad was leading a lot
and you kind of you you've always kind of been
a spokesman. So how have you dealt with scrutiny, hardship,
all those things and knowing that the camera's turning on
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tomorrow and you've got to smile and get through it.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You just can I tell this one his dad, you
send him out to the media to face the giants
because so often there's a good point to it. So
often or it couldn't handle it. It hurt him. It
devastated him, It broke him. I've seen him weep, I've
seen him in tears. I've seen him defeated. I've seen
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him quit. I've seen him say, I'm never going to
do this again. All I'm trying to do is bring
healing to people. I can't do this anymore. So I
sent Richard and the truth be told. There's a lot
about Richard that this may be weird to say it,
but I think he is. He hasn't. I'm going to
call it my way, a supernatural strength that he can
do that in a gift, an ability to be able
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to his mom was like that. Oral and I were
not like that.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
My dad would say something that would get all kinds
of media attention, all kinds of scrutiny, and he would
run to the Cheris Brook and he would leave me.
He said, Richard, you go on Larry King Live, you
go on Good Morning America, you go on Good Day
in LA And.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
What would you be thinking, What would what would human
Richard be thinking?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
My dad, dad going to do their best to annihilate me.
But I learned. I learned. I learned through the experiences
I learned in dealing with the media, Can I share
one of my big secrets?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yes, this is That's what this is, isa Ed.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I learned to first of all, to pray, to pray
in the spirit and get it and get the mind
of God, and then have prepared what God wants me
to say. No matter what kind of question they ask me, it's.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Just going back to what you felt in your heart.
You were supposed to say.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, I know this sounds like a very strange thing,
but pull out a dollar bill and people get weird.
If you're talking about anointing, okay, they kind of sometimes
are really weird. But you pull out money. Money, it's
okay for somebody to literally throw their money into the
devil's den with It doesn't matter anything from I'm going
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to say, I'm just throwing out things that are in
my head. I'm not accusing anybody, but you know, if
if there's money tossed into some of the things I
see on television to me are like I'm old here,
I'm old enough to say that's like pornography, and they
don't care. Some of the things I see on television
are so to me it's demon spirits and nobody cares.
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But the minute the gospel starts to make sense. And
it takes money to put the gospel on stations, to
feed people in other countries, to generate the gospel of
Jesus Christ through the airwaves.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
To do the greater work Jesus said will do.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, we have feeding programs in India. We are doing
things in Pakistani.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
We have sewing centers who got ten sewing centers now
in India name the Lindsay Robert Sewing Center.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Things that my brain is just thinking out to me
or I call them good works. The Bible calls it
greater work? Shall you do? Until we start doing stuff
like that, it seems like they leave you alone. But
when you have enough funding to do really some good works, right,
people flip out. They flip out what kind of car
you drive? And yet Hollywood, realistically, who may not be
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making what I would call Jesus movies, they don't care
what they drive. In fact, they almost celebrate some of
the things that I just feel like Satan has adopted
or Satan has impacted. And as long as they're celebrating it,
then the world celebrates it. Okay, I can deal with that. Well,
when Christians start celebrating it and attacking other Christians. Yeah,
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what were you thinking? What's wrong with you? You know
who they say they? You know, I idolize that person, or
they're my mentor. I've got some lovely mentors. I wrote
a little book called The Company You Keep. In fact,
you were helping me on some of the things about that,
because we said, the company you keep is the company
that's keeping you. And I think God is holding us
accountable for some of the things that we as Christians
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go into agreement with. I always say, what you allow,
you're in agreement with. And I think that we have
to reach a place as Christians how much damage are
we doing by being the accuser of the brethren, and instead,
how about finding the root source, the devil himself. There's
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good and evil, there's God and the devil. God. God's
name in the Bible was always good, which always translated
the word good and devil d apostrophe ev i l devil,
the evil one. And so when we recognize it, why
as Christians are we just saying oky doki and then
turning around and really not even knowing the entire story
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attacking another Christian. I don't think God called me to
be the accuser of the brethren or all used to say.
Jesus said, if I be lifted up, I'll draw all
men into me. And he'd say, lindsay lift Jesus up.
That's how you get people saved.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
One more thing nick that I learned in my life.
When you point your finger at somebody, remember you got
three fingers pointing back at yourself. Jesus said, do unto
others as you would have them do unto you. Be kind.
The Bible says, let us love one another. And that's
what Christians need to do. Get rid of all the
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strife and the argument over scriptural issues, and get rid
of I have to dot e the same way you do,
or cross my tea the same way you do, or
you cast me out. No if if you love Jesus,
I remember, I remember a pastor of a large church,
six thousand member church came to me once. You said, Richard,
I don't pray in tongues. I don't pray in tongues.
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I pray every day, but I don't pray and tongues.
How do you feel about me, I said, My brother,
have you received Christ as your savior?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yes, I love them with all my heart, I said,
that settles the issue. You're my brother.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
We're on the same team, my brother, we're not.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
We're not opposing teams. You know, we're We're not a
defense against an offense, or an offense is a defense.
We're on the same side. A lot of us love
one another.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I heard a weird story that you know, I'm not
going to say, thus saith the Lord, because it was
you know, when you hear a story that someone said
about a story who said a story about someone you knew.
I heard a story about a guy that was going
to rob somebody and he was so careless that he
ended up shooting himself in the leg. It was a
person that supposedly, you know, we knew, not a friend,
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not a not a close but someone I had heard of,
someone I knew. I think sometimes we have to recognize
when we are attacking carelessly as the body of Christ.
Sometimes we're shooting ourself in the foot. Sometimes we're doing
more damage. Okay, you might win the argument and be really,
really really correct, but did you in that argument lead
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a sinner astray? And I've heard people say I don't
want to be a member of the Body of Christ.
All they do is fight each other. There's some truth
to that my whole heart, and I'm wrong a lot
of times. I'm not scripturally perfect. I'm not spiritually perfect.
I'm not perfect in the household. I'm not perfect anywhere.
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I can't be only one perfect person walk the earth.
The rest of us have what I call the human factor. However,
in my imperfections, if I have a heart to lead
people to Jesus, I think that them getting into Heaven
might just be more important than me be even wrong
on every little, tiny biblical detail. I don't want to
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be wrong biblically, but you know, I'm not a huge scholar.
I'm not perfect as a human. But at the same time,
if my job is trying to get people saved or healed,
or delivered or turned to Jesus, and somebody is so
worried about nitpicking against another member of the body of Christ,
could they possibly be doing more damage keeping a sinner
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away from Jesus. Are they not representing the love of God?
They'll know where Christians by our love walk. If we're
not representing that love walk, maybe we're turning people off
to Christianity. I'm Lindsay Roberts. Follow me on social media.
At Lindsay Roberts Official. I'm Lindsay Roberts and this is
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cray dot com. Have you ever faced situations where you
are dealing with people who are just difficult or situations
that are just simply difficult? Well, I know I have,
So let's pray right now. Father God, we come before
you seeking patience and understanding and dealing with difficult people
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and challenging situations. Dealing with these areas of our lives,
help us remain calm and composed in the face of
adversity and respond with grace. Father God, your grace and
your compassion, even if we're faced with conflicting or misunderstanding circumstances.
Give us the wisdom Lord to see situations from different perspectives,
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and the empathy Lord to understand the feelings and motivations
of others. Help us communicate, Lord with kindness and respect,
and seek peaceful solutions in all of our interactions. Fill us,
Lord with your patience so that we may navigate through
the moments with grace and Lord with humility. Thank you
for your presence, for your guidance, and all circumstances that
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we face. Lord, Thank you for the opportunity to grow
in patience and understand. And this is in your name,
we pray, Lord Jesus, Amen and amen. If you need prayer,
call the Abundant Life Prayer Group at nine one eight
four nine seven seven seven seven, or go to Richard
Roberts dot org slash prayer.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You're surprisingly comfortable being able to talk about some of
those things that I would think make you would make
you feel uncomfortable. But it's like you're able to talk
about them, but you don't carry them like you hear
people that go through hardship and you can tell like, oh,
they're still there, they're still living in the past, like
they carry it with such pain. How have you How
can you do that?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Now?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Have you guys been able.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
To David say, Yay, though I walk through the valley
of the shadow of Death, I will fear no evil.
You're going to go through things in life, and those
things help make you what you are, but you've got
to go through them. You can't park in the middle
of the problem, and you can't dwell and live in it.
You've got to get through it. And that's what she
and I have done all of our lives.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
How have you not become jaded?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Chip on your shoulder, binge ada or angry.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I have been angry to how I process anger. I
have been frustrated. I have been wanting to quit. I
have been feeling like I will never be able to
get up and get through this or think through this,
because I'm real analytical. It's just who I am. And
then I also revert back to Richard was going to
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be a professional golfer, and he also got an opportunity
to sing at what hotel?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
A big shot hotel in Las Vegas. He had a
contract to sing there. So when you think about all
those things, I look back and say, why wasn't I
just a lawyer and you a golfer?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I really do. And I sometimes get so beat up
that you think I'm sorry my children have to be.
I love my children. I worked hard to get them.
I had six pregnancies to get three kids, miscarriage after miscarriage,
a son that died after thirty six hours. I had
surgery after surgery. So I wanted my children, and I
worked hard to get my children. But there are days
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when I think, God, bless my children. I'm sorry that
they're in this family, not that I didn't want my children,
but I'm sorry they have to go through as the
collateral damage of being in the family of Oral Roberts.
It was bad enough. Oral was oral, and he chose it.
Richard was his son. Okay, he was born into it,
but he still chose it. I was naive, but I
chose it. My children didn't. And if I could tell
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you stories, which I absolutely will not glorify the devil,
but if I could tell you stories of what my
kids have been through, there's where bitterness can come in
as a mama, as a I don't know how to
explain it. Compassionate mother, a caring mother, a mother who
wanted their children. So when I think of those things,
I think in that area could be where I could
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get the most tripped up. And instead I have to,
like I said, I am more scriptural than sensible, so
to speak. I have to go back and I have
to take the Bible as the Bible. I can't pay
can choose the parts I like. Yeah, I can't pick
and choose the parts that make me feel good. The
Bible is the Bible, and it all is supposed to
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be for my good. The Bible says, all things work
together for your good. Not all things are great, not
all things are peachy. He said, we give praise not
for every situation, but he said, give praise in the
middle of every situation. So if I want to be
scriptural more than emotional, that's tough for me. But the
Bible says, and I have to believe that. I either
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obey the Bible or disobey the Bible, and I have
to make a conscious effort to give it to God.
It's easier for him. It's more in his personality. Maybe
it's because he's had more years of experience. Maybe it's
because I'm more emotional. I don't know what the answer is.
All I know is the only thing I know to
do is say what to God says.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I used to sing an old Bill Gaither song. Bill
and Gloria Gaither wrote it, and the words go like this,
hold on, my child, joy comes in the morning. Weeping
only last for the night. You hold on, You hold
on until the.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Morning, and you know, sometimes your answer doesn't come. I
love that song, by the way, but sometimes my answer
doesn't come in the morning. Sometimes years later I'm still
looking saying I thought this would have been over with.
Sometimes months later I thought, can't the truth come out
about this for Haaven's sake? What can I say? And
many times I feel like there will be a day.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
When I say, but you just keep holding on.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
But until I reached that day when I you know,
I always say I could write a book. I could
write why.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Have you always guys always chosen not to?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I think there's twofold to it. Number one first and foremost.
If God releases me, and he may release me to
tell my side of some stories. But there's also the
other side that Oral always said to us. I could
meaning him about himself. I could refute this, I could
get up, But he said, would me making myself feel
(21:58):
better about me? Would that damage the body of Christ?
That's tough because there are people in the body of
Christ that I could tear down right now and bam,
they know who they are. But ultimately, let's think about
it the bigger picture. Ultimately, if they're leading people to Jesus,
(22:20):
if they're winning souls, if they're doing something for the
greater good of the team. You know, sometimes we sit
on the bench and there's I don't know the right word.
There's a very qualified jerk that's making three point shots.
They're still winning the game. Okay, there may be some
(22:43):
qualified jerks that are Christians, but if they're doing enough
to bring in the Kingdom of God, the jerk part
is being a personality. Maybe their heart's right before God,
maybe their heart's more pure than mine. I don't want to.
My granddaddy used to say, get in a spitting match
with the skunk. He said, everybody loses. I just the
(23:05):
day may come, the day may never come. But God
did not write the Bible with lindsey and mind saying
when's my turn to talk. He just wrote the Bible
for me to trust him. And maybe sometimes my biggest
faith statement is to keep my mouth shut.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Then I have learned not to strike back. If you
look at Jesus in the garden of Gifthsemone, he was
betrayed by one of his own and when they came
to arrest him, Peter took out his sword and cut
off the ear of the high priest's servant, and Jesus said, no, Peter.
He reached down, picked up that man's ear and put
it back on his head, and healed him. Turned to
(23:40):
Peter and said, if you live by the sword, you're
going to die by the sword. Vengeance his mind saith
the Lord. I will repay, leave vengeance in the hands
of God, because, as Lindsay said, you're not their judge.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
You know, I may not. We're joking about writing a book,
but the truth is I would never write a book
for revenge. I would never write for vengeance. I would
never write a book to get even. So telling your
truth is not necessarily revenge or getting even. There's a
lot of people that really God said, go ahead and
tell your truth, you know, and so that's not I
would never condemn that. And I may choose at some
(24:14):
point to do that, and I have to make sure
I do it with a pure heart. I have to
make sure I do it without damaging the body of Christ.
I'm not out to watch somebody gravel so that I
feel good about myself. My reward may be here, I
may get to say things, I may never get to
say things, but I want to make sure my reward
(24:35):
in heaven is secure. I don't want to mess I
don't want to mess up my relationship with what God's
told me to do. I can't. I can't take that risk.
I'm not a worm, I'm not a dormant. I'm not
crawling on the ground. And like I said, the day
may never come, but they may come. But I think
(24:56):
some of the people think that when you don't talk,
it's a great sign of weakness. Right, Sometimes not talking
is the greatest strength You'll love.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, it's very good.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I want to ask one more question, then we'll be done.
You know, we live in the day of cancel culture,
Lindsay you mentioned several times even talking about criticism, thinking wow,
my kids are seeing this or having to navigate stuff
through family. When I talk to people and we talk
about you, you know, they talk about you being heroes
of faith. They talk about you being generals, and you know,
(25:25):
in the faith world, I see you as not just
heroes of faith, but for me being able to know
you a little more personally, I see you as heroes
of family because your family is so strong, so loving,
so connected. Yet you've gone through all all so much.
How have you, guys, navigated the family side of that,
being able to keep things healthy.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I personally think it's a miracle. I mean that sincerely.
I think that some things only God can intervene, and
only God can operate in a miracle. I believe that
my going through some of the things I went through
that were hideous, horrific, ridiculous lies. I think some of
(26:10):
my vindication is not necessarily me going and saying a lot.
Some of my vindication is exactly what you said. Our
family is super close. We all love God. We work
well together. You know, we giggle at opportunities, at opportunities
(26:30):
to be together. Yes, a lot of families work hard
to find opportunities to get apart, but strangely we find
opportunities and reasons to come together. That's a miracle to me.
That is God's smiling back at Lindsay saying, hey, Sweety,
that's part of your remork.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You know. We we're together a lot, We have dinner
together a lot. We still call them every night to
prayer for them. We shall rent them in prayer. We're
very close. And you know, they my family, Lindsay and
our girls have been through everything with me that I've
been right. And if they go through that with me,
don't they deserve to have me go through that with them. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Plus they know truth, and that's you know, and I'll
tell you the truth. My kids many times have said, Mom,
write the book, write the book. Yeah. And like I said,
maybe someday for them. I will. Maybe I never will.
But the one thing I do think is I have
to say, if I could, this is really weird. I'm
not trying to puff myself. I don't believe that. I
(27:26):
don't believe in that, and you know me well enough
to know that's not my personality. But I will say
this about myself. When I don't know what to do,
I will just shut myself off and pray. And I
feel like that's been my sanity, my secret weapon, my hope,
my future. I promise you I will shut myself off
(27:47):
and I will pray. I'll tune out everybody's opinion and
listen to God.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
And one more thing I'll add this when I make
a mistake, when I've blown it. Yeah, when I've messed up,
I'll get my family together and I apologize. And I
don't say, Girls, Lindsey, if I've done something that has
hurt you, I'm sorry, take the IF out of it.
That's not an apology. I've learned how to say, Look,
(28:12):
I messed this up. I blew it. It's my fault.
I take responsibility. I'm sorry, Please forgive me. I would
do my best. If this never happens again. How many
times have I done that? And I think my family
appreciates the fact that when I do make a mistake,
and I'm a human, I make mistakes that I own
it and I realized I was wrong and I.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Make a change one thing orl He used to do
that I honored so much, just so much. Is he
really did recognize being human. And he had a weird
saying that I think if we ever really got this
embedded into our spirit, he'd say, why did Jesus go
to the cross for forgiveness of sins? He said, people
(28:54):
who are perfect don't need to be forgiven. They're perfect.
And he said forgiveness was created for your mistakes. That
hit me. Now, that doesn't mean go make mistakes and
say whoop forgiveness. You know, that's a that's a heart issue,
that's a that's an issue where you you know you
you twisted that scripture to fit your occasion. No, the
(29:17):
truth was, if you've honestly, sincerely made a mistake and
you have a sincere heart to be forgiven, that's why
Jesus went to the cross, not for your perfections. If
you have some, celebrate them. Wooh, I don't but hey,
if you have some hey make a poster. Praise the
Lord good for you. I do some things nicely, I
(29:38):
do certain things well, okay, celebrate that. But he went
to the cross for your imperfections, you know, and don't
be afraid to ask for forgiveness and move on.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Probably, David King, David made more mistakes than anybody, at
least big mistakes. His mistakes were publicized around the world.
And yet God called him a man after his own heart.
Why because when David realized he was wrong, he got
on his face before God and he repeted and thank
God for repentance. And the Bible says in first John
(30:07):
one nine, if we confess our sins, he is faithful
and just to forgive us of our sins and to
cleanse us. That's what she's talking about, cleanse us from
all in righteousness.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And if people will not allow you that second chance,
that needs to be put in the forefront of your mind.
You and I talked a long time ago about the book.
It's a tiny little book, but it's got a lot
of interesting points to it. The company you keep is
the keep company that's keeping you. Maybe, just maybe you
(30:39):
need to take a good hard. Look at the company
you keep, Because for me, if I am forced to
be around the people who will never forgive me or
never let something go okay, I'm forced to be around them.
It doesn't mean I have to make them my best friends,
and I don't have to listen to their counsel. However,
the people that are in my close circle that I
listened to and I gleaned from the company I keep,
(31:01):
i'd choose to keep to me are those that give
me the scriptural foundation that I have a right to
be me. I have a right to repent, I have
a right to start over. And they celebrate, you know,
when I get back up. I know people celebrate knocking
you down, holding you there. I like to be around
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people that even if you are down, they celebrate you're
getting back.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
You know. The books, she's a little book. She's talking about.
The Company you Keep is available on our website as
well as many other resources. Just go to Richard Roberts
dot org slash bookstore. All of the resources are available.
Access exclusive content by me Richard Roberts right here on
pray dot com. Follow me on social media at Richard
Roberts Official. Check out my podcast Expect a miracle. Wherever
(31:50):
you get your podcasts, expect a miracle.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Discover hope and healing.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I'm Richard Roberts, I'm Lindsay Roberts, and you're listening to
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