The Converge Network with Pastor Michele Jackson

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to life in the overflow. My name is Michelle Jackson.
I serve as senior pastor at Whole Christian Church in Beltsville, Maryland.
I'm excited that you're here listening. Today. We're gathering all
women to hear what the Lord is saying to us.
John ten ten states that the enemy comes to steal,
to kill, to sour, and to devour, But Jesus came
to give us life, the zoe life of God in abundance,

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in an overflowing measure. There's a dimension of supernatural life
that God has called us to walk in. As women.
We fill so many roles in society as wives, as mothers,
as business leaders, as creatives, as stay at home moms.
The Lord has called us to walk on a level
of influence and grace because of the life of God
that is within us. So listen as I share my

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heart biblical truths and guide us through so that we
can discover a deeper love for Jesus and a grace
for our families, for our communities that were called to
love and served the assignments that we're in, and fresh
connections to Kingdom. Thinking women. I'm excited that you're here
this is Life in the Overflow. Hi everyone, this is

(01:17):
Pastor Michelle and I want to welcome you to another
episode of Life in the Overflow. I have the privilege
of introducing you to a very good friend of mine,
Pastor Sharon Witten. She is the co lead pastor with
her husband Brendan Witten of Toronto City Church, a Church
without Limits, and they exist to be a spiritual family

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where every person encounters God's love, unconditional love, and is
empowered in their identity and their identity and engaged and
equipped for their purpose. So I want to encourage you
to open your heart and to listen to what Sharon
and I had to speak about in this conversation about

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spirit and power leadership. Take a listen. Well, Sharon, I'm
so glad that you're here with me today on Life
in the Overflow podcast. Welcome.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Thank you, so excited to be with you. I know
this is gonna be great chat, great talk.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
I'm so excited for the ladies to get to know
you a little bit better. So I think it would
be good if we started with you sharing your salvation
story and how you were called into ministry.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Absolutely so, my journey is an interesting journey. I grew
up in a Christian household and a lineage of Christian ministers.
So you know, the kind of running joke in our
family is if you are not a pastor or a musician,
you are a heathen. Like literally, it was one or
the other. You're either serving Jesus or you're in the streets,
you know. And so there was kind of this trajectory

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of minute I personally in my heart when I was young,
I said, you know what, I don't want to have
anything to do with ministry. I was like, I'm gonna
do something else. I'm gonna start a different career, you know,
all that kind of stuff. And when I was young,
my parents took it upon themselves to plug us into
different places where there was a spirit. There was like
a movement of the spirit of God. There was fire,

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there was passion. I mean, we were in Brownsville Revival,
you know, Catch the Fire, which is you know, formerly
known as Toronto Airport.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
We were just wherever God was moving.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
So there were many moments like as a kid that
I gave my heart to Jesus.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
But also you know had you know, different.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Challenges and difficulties along the way, and I remember distinctively,
so once again, you know, in these all these fire
meetings and whatnot. But then on the side during my
adolescent life, I was kind of like, you know, I'm
gonna try some things.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
I'm gonna try something, so kind.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Of straight away a little bit from the faith kept
up the appearances that all was going well, but ended
up you know, doing things I said I would never
do in relationships, all that kind of stuff. And until
I was about sixteen years old where I had a
significant encounter with the Lord that was met with deliverance
and ministry. I literally I was at the altar in

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a youth service at church that my former pastors led
and literally was like, okay, I am all or nothing
right now, like we're just going in deep. And at
that moment God really set me on a different trajectory.
Although I was in and was studying post that sixteen
year old going to university, went to university young studying

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to be in the entertainment industry, engineering, music, engineering and
all that kind of stuff, the Lord had other plans,
you know, And it was interesting that as a kid,
I was always in these meetings we're great giants of
the faith, would we give me prophetic words, you know,
Mama Sindy. You know, different leaders in our nation, and
they would say things like, okay, mother of Many, you
know you're going to pastor you're going to be You're

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going to be you know, influential this way and that way.
So I always knew that stuff was there, but I
think I was kind of running from it. And after
sixteen after I kind of wholeheardly made a decision to
follow the Lord I saw, I started to see the
steps of my destiny kind of come into order and
where I just started to dedicate my heart to the

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things of God and just what God wanted. I was
still studying to be in the music industry, but I
was kind of more on that wholehearted path to pursue
the Lord and whatever you had for me.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Now, I love what you're saying because I definitely had
my tractors on for a long time, because I think
that a lot of times, when you get these mega
prophecies or you have these national leaders speak into your life,
it's like the spirit of intimidation just comes right in
to come and to bring confusion and to bring crisis

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of identity. Well, am I who they have prophesied in
the spirit, did they really see or is it there's
a conflict with your even your own heart's desire at
that time. And so what I appreciate with with you
today is just talking about that tension and that wrestling
that brought you to the place of destiny and appointment

(06:16):
at such a young age. So but you know, that's
how Jacob became Israel, right, And so you know there
was a whole name change, there was a whole status
change for him. And I think that you know, oftentimes

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for people who are in ministry, people put a lot
of expectations on you, and like you, growing up in
the house of a minister, of a nationally known prophet,
advisor to presidents, blah blah, people put a lot of
expectations on you about how you should be, how you
should how you should interact with them, and NAVI getting

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that of figuring out, Okay, this is who I am,
this is what I bring to the table. It's a
journey in a process. So I just want to say
to anybody who's listening today, you know you don't have
to run from the call of God in your life.
As a matter of fact, you should run towards the
direction that he's calling, because there's provision in that call.

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There are relationships for you in that call, and people
who understand what you're the trajectory of your life and
where you're going. So it's it's so it's so important
that we do that.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
It's interesting both my both my parents were they had
careers like vocational careers, but they were always in ministry.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
They were always in leadership and ministry. And then later
on my mom got ordained. So it was interesting all
of us, even though we you know, we're trying to
pursue other things, we all ended up in some elements
of full time ministry to some degree. So it's just
it's just an interesting thing that, like you're right, you can,
you know, fight, fight, fight to the bitter end, but
the Lord, you know his will and what he wants

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for you. Once you submit to that, you end up
back on that pathway.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
So, yeah, I was going to ask you that just
about that and how you and Brendan came together. I
know you passed together now, but at the time you
all got married, were you pastoring then talk to us
a little bit about that journey.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Absolutely, So my husband and I we are friends from
the childhood.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
He was the guy that I always said had wisdom,
you know, but I would never marry so he and
in fact I said it, I said, if he was
the last man standing on planet Earth, I would not
marry this man. But we always you know, had this
friendship and whatnot. So he was pastoring pretty young in age.
He actually had started a church out the back of

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a motorcycle shop, and it really kind of started because
they were winning these young kids to Jesus, and all
these kids would come out and you know, they would
stay up late all night, you know, seeking the Lord.
And it was just this you know, band of kids
that were just really passionate for Jesus. And then that
grouping of you young people that were getting saved. They

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literally established a church and that church was called Church
Without Limits. You know. So if you could picture all
these kids, you know, coming off the streets giving their
life to the Lord and just now being established as
a church. So what happened in it in the story,
my husband has a different account of the story, So
I just have to give the disclaimer in that.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
But we didn't ask him to be on the interview.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
We did not ask him, so he cannot, you know, no,
he can't pipe in here.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
So I was on my way.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
We were always friends, and we met at a youth
retreat kind of one of the what we would consider
in Cana's Assemblies of God, our Canadian version of that.
We met at a youth conference retreat. I was on
the worship team, he was in the crowd, you know.
We became friends that type of thing, and I was
on my way to Europe to study to get my

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master's degree. And then anyways, long story short, we ended
up getting married and I remember saying.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I remember walking down the aisle and saying, I.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Am marrying this man and I'm marrying the church. Literally,
it was like two I dos' I say I do
to you, and I say I do to this band
of wild you know, wild crazy, creative like lovers of Jesus,
you know. And I remember thinking to myself, this is
a lot like how am I going to do this?
And at that point I said I had once again.

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The track was to work for a creative agency. I
thought I was going to be, you know, working for
one of these really great creative agencies in the city
of Toronto or in Europe. And I had to let
that die for a moment. And it's like the Bible says,
unless the seed false to drown and dies, it can't bear,
much like it can't multiply it on barefoot. So I

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was there thinking, Okay, I'm going to put aside my career.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
I'm going to marry him. I'm going to marry the church.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
And it was a bit of a daunting task because
I was twenty three, you know, and at twenty three,
you're still trying to discover who you are and what
you want to do.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
And here I am, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Becoming the mother of a congregation as well as learning
the ropes of a wife. And it was interesting. Just
shortly after I got married, my father had passed away,
so it was like there were all these different changes
that I had to kind of graffle with in the
middle of marriage and coming together and leading together.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Hopefully that answered your question, No.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
It does, because what I love about you is that
you you know yourself and you have navigated as a
leader through many seasons, and so that's really what I
want to pull out of you today because I know
you're going to really minister to some ladies who are
listening today because that leadership call, that apostolic mother and

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kaw was always inside of you, but it was unlocked
in different situations. And I know that there's greater even
a head. So talk to us about like how scripture
and Holy Spirit playing your day to day and the
roles are in because your a mother, you're a wife,
you're a pastor, you're an influencer, et cetera, et cetera,

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And what about worship to just throw it out there
let us know it works.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, Scripture. I mean, like I said, I grew up
in a household where we are on our knees at night,
we are confessing the word. You know, I've word of
faith background, so we were like.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
In it, we were Scripture.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
There are scriptures that my parents felt were key in
our upbringing that never left me and that I've journeyed
with and even in my mothering, even in my parenting,
I kind of had that same approach personally and in
my parenting, which it's like the meditation of the word.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
The word is key, word is life.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Word helps us navigate the trajectory of our life.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Like it's just such a valuable thing to me.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
So it's just the study of the Word of God,
the meditation on scriptures, I mean, the declaration of the
Word has been huge over many difficult seasons where you're
looking at circumstances and you're having to decree the Word
of God and scripture. And also I would say as well,
for my personal journey of identity, I was that girl

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who wrote out scriptures and put them on my mirror
and would look at them in the mirror every day
and be like, you know, with God, all things are possible.
You know, you will have what your faith expects. You know,
I would quote different different translations. I would throw up
scripture to meditate on it and to decree and to
declare it.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
So that that has been a huge part of my life.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Obviously as a believer, I think it's such an important thing.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Just worship is huge.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I am a creative and a musician in my training,
so I play about six to seven instruments, So everything
in my world does have a musical expression of worship.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
If I could say that it that way.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
So often you'll find me sitting pretty much every day,
sitting at the piano and praying and worshiping on the
keys and being able to release my heart through tears,
through seasons at university where there's all kinds of crazy
things going on. And I remember going to the bottom
of the dorms. There was like practice rooms at the

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University of Toronto and the basement and there was a
piano there and I would, you know, sneak down there
in the other dorms at like six in the morning
and I would just sit there with my Bible and
singing my heart out to Jesus, you know, singing my
prayers out, singing the frustrations out in the place of worship,
but also adoring Him in that place and finding myself captivated,

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you know, by the beauty of Jesus just as I
sit and I let Him refresh me in the place
of worship. So that's been a huge part of my
journey worship. As I said at the beginning, a lot
of my family are psalmists, our musicians. So whenever you
have a family union, somebody's preaching, somebody is, you know,
leading us in worship, somebody's taking up the offering. I mean,

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it was a family affair, right, Like that's how we
did right. So I would say that regarding the Holy Spirit,
oh my goodness, you know, the Bible talks about that
the sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.
I think I've learned to cultivate a pretty authentic relationship
with the Spirit of God only because I've faced many

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life challenges where the only way through what I would
call the maze of it was listening to the voice
of the Spirit of God and just saying, Okay, I
don't know the way out here, or I don't know
what you're asking of me in this moment.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
I need to hear you. I need to hear what.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
The Spirit is saying, you know. So that's a daily
thing for me. You know, I wake up and I'm
just like, you know, my God, what are you saying today?
What are you saying over my husband? What are you
saying over my children? What are you saying over our church?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
You know? What do you say over me?

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Like? How much do you love me today? You know,
sitting under the fountain of His love?

Speaker 3 (16:09):
But how much you love me?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
God?

Speaker 3 (16:11):
How much you love me?

Speaker 2 (16:12):
You know? So, yeah, all of that's played a pretty
intense part of my journey. That's who I am, and
I love it like I love you know. Some people
feel like it's a chore to get up and read
the word and whatever.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
I actually love it.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I love it so life giving and once again, it's
been a part of me since I was a young kid.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Now, I mean, the flow of the spirit is something
that you have to cultivate all the time. I think
a lot of people see high moments in church and
they see a minister, they see a pastor move in
there gifting, or they see the power move and they
don't recognize that this person has spent hours and time

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and days cultivating and cultivating, cultivating, cultivating, and it could
be just for that one moment, for that one service.
Tommy Tinny, he wrote an incredible book called God Chasers.
It went around the world, and he told me a
story about the woman who witnessed his grandmother and how

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she would invite them to church, invite them to church,
and finally they went. And that lady that would may
have been her only one ministry task was to invite
her to church, but in their loins was Tommy, you know.
And so I think oftentimes we're looking for those big
moments that are that people can give accolades and praise

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and say, oh, and you know, if we're honest, that
that is a big deal, even though we try. A
lot of us try to act like it's not a
big deal, but we and and that place has to
be satisfied in the secret place, in the time with
the Lord, in the years, in the times where the

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Lord really works in you to purify that desire out
of you. And so in twenty twenty two, we have
all this influencer culture, we have all of this social
media and different things where the attention is really on individuals,
and we've cultivated this whole narrative and language and culture

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around selfishness, self self where God really wants that place
of worship of adoration. And so I want to ask
you about you know how you and your husband navigate
as leaders together, but as you coming into that identity
as a leader individually, because there's a lot of service

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that goes into ministry. And I know that I'm the
kind of leader that models a lot. I am not
one of those leaders that tells you you need to
do this, you need to do that, you need to
do this. I'm not heavy handed in that way. And
so I know a lot of times, like younger people
may be looking at me and they may not think

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that I'm helping them, but I would rather model and
give you space and work in an honor system kind
of culture. What is your leadership style? How do you
and your husband lead together?

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Absolutely, I think we're kind of similar to you in
that too, where I believe in raising up people that
know how to distinguish.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
And hear the voice of God.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
So yeah, there are a lot of leaders that's like,
do this, do this, do this. We are pretty open handed.
We understand that the Lord has entrusted us with people.
They may be here for a month, they may be
here for ten years, they may journey with us till
we're all old and gray, but the Lord has entrusted
us with them and they belong to him. And the

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reality is we just need to steward whatever timeframe they're
with us. So in that our job is to job
in particular when I look at the different gift mix
mixes between my husband and I, is to bring value
to the voice of God. It's to grow people into
a maturity of hearing the voice of God and being

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able to apply what they hear in wisdom to their
everyday life. Right, you know, we're talking about the spirit
of wisdom, the spirit of might, the spirit of counsel. Like,
so I feel like I've done my job well. And
my husband probably would say the same thing. If we
can help people grow as part of the discipleship track
is helping them hear the voice of God, helping them

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mature in their knowledge of God. You know, the more
you know Him, the more you begin to know how
He speaks, You begin to distinguish the subtleties of what's
happening in a moment. You know, the discerning of spirits.
You can you know, the spirit of wisdom, you can
navigate life, you know. So that's kind of our leadership

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that we're pretty open handed. I think the distinctive difference
between my husband and I is and our gift mixes
are now kind of doing this little mashup thing. You know,
is both prophetic and apostolic.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
So I am.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I am all things prophetic, all things you know, raising
up profits, raising prophetic people, the wildness of God, you know,
the extremes of God, like, that's me, the beauty of
who He is, revelation, That's who I am. My husband
is an apostolic leader. He's a systems guy, he's a builder,

(21:31):
he is a big picture. He's longevity, teaching people to
dwell in the land and cultivate faithfulness.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
That's his that's his thing.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
So if you put us together, I think the melding
or coming together of our gift packages kind of compliment
one another. And you know, we hit we we knock
kids once in a while, you know, you know he
will he I.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Have made iron right, right, so we get the best
out of you know, all of it.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
But there are times where I'm just like, oh, you're
a captain budget, let's just run and do it. And
there are times He's like, listen, time out.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
That doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Just put one foot in front of the other and
it'll happen when it happens, you know. So that that's
what I would answer to that. In terms of our
leadership and how we function together. I'll just throw one
other thing in that my husband's Caucasian and I am Black.
So even in our approaches to leading a multicultural church

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is interesting. You know, there are certain things I'd be like,
you know, they'll I said, our people will never do that, babe.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
It's just he's like, I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Are there things that you know different? Like I would
say my Caucasian brothers and sisters, or my Filipino or
my so we have. We we're always on a trajectory
of growth, learning one another in deferring to one another's strength,
but also growing in how to pastor a multicultural church

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and and that being reflected even in our marriage.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
No, I love it. You know, Iron Tarpn's iron, as
I was saying. And sometimes sparks fly, and that's a
good thing, right.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, Yeah, sometimes it's a furnace, there's a wildfire, but
we love the wildfire. No.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
I love what you were sharing about the prophetic and
the apostolic coming together because that's definitely central to the
call of the church that I'm pastoring, of Christian Church
and for us to be that place of training of
releasing leaders. And you know, God's called me in this
season to establish a new ways of training, and so

(23:37):
I'm excited to kind of redig those wells of institutionalizing,
formalizing training and for us to you know, raise up
a new generation of leaders and see them fulfill the
call of God upon their lives. So that's exciting. That's
something that I'm really like looking forward to seeing how

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the outcomes of their lives play out. Over time. I
had the privilege of having dinner with one of our
worship leaders last night, and it was awesome because I
was telling her that for me, I just get invested
in people and their story, and that, to me is
what gives me life. And pastoring is like seeing how

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God takes one person in their circumstance, in what they're
dealing with, and how He begins to move sovereignly in
their life and to bring transformation, to bring provision, to
increase them, to elevate them as they trust Him, as
they begin to lean on him, they begin to follow
his voice. That is probably the most rewarding part I

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feel about pastoring.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
For me, it's not.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
About Sunday's service. Well, I love Sunday service, but for me,
I get more joy from when people come to me
and tell me what's happening, and we pray about it,
and we just see gods, see God's intervention in their life,
and we just see Him move mountains for them, just
all kinds of things, you know, because you're in a

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nation where you have lots of cultures and we're a
church of many nations as well, you know, seeing God
move mountains for people to get citizenship the right way, right,
or just seeing people be established in a career where
their job wasn't going to pay for the visa, but
then they did, you know, just different aspects of what

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it means to be a citizen or in progress to
having citizenship is also a part of the journey here
in the ministry as they grow with God, and then
we don't know, they may go back home to their nation, right,
that may be a part of what God's plan is
for them, taking what they learned from our DNA absolutely
all right, So here are three nuggets that I want

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to ask you for. So I ask all of my
podcast guests for three nuggets of wisdom, and I want
you to give us wisdom about stewarding your seasons and leadership.
Stewarding your seasons and leadership because as women, we have seasons.
You have your season when your kids are really small,

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when they're transitioning into their teen years and adulthood. But
then if you're a working mother, you have seasons in
your career where you're emerging, you're established, administry, all of that.
So if you can give us three nuggets of wisdom
on how to stewart seasons and leadership, that will be amazing.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I would say one of the number
one things that I would give as a wisdom piece
that transcends or moves through every single season. And you'll
always hear me say this, anybody who knows. If I
get up and preach, I always say this is to keep.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Fire on the altar.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I honestly feel like you can go through the worst
of a worst season. It could be a winter season.
And once again, in Canada, we have four distinct seasons.
Different people in different parts of the world may have
just one season, but we have four distinct It could
be a winter season.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
But if you keep fire on the altar of your heart.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
And once again, fire doesn't always look like I think
he said before this blazing bonfire. You know, it just
may be a little flame that is trickling, But if
there is something to be seen in the realm of
a fire, I honestly feel like you can get through
any seasons. Why do I say that, You know, as
a mom, I remember when my son, my firstborn, he's

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now fourteen. I know, I'm like, how is he fourteen?
But you know he was for he was a baby
at one time, and I remember literally feeling like I
needed to pull my hair out with these late night feedings.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
This kid had me up.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I mean, he was a hefty eater and for somebody
who you know, once again, grew up in revival culture,
grew up with you know, signs and wonders and like
encountering God and whatever, I felt like the most horrible
Christian mom. I'm like, I don't have time to read
my word.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I don't like.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I just felt like a horrible mom until the Spirit
of God began to speak to me about in the
late hours of the night, two o'clock in the morning.
He actually, I'll say this, he began to say, you know,
whatever you sew too, you'll read. You know, even if
it's a little seed that goes into the ground, you
don't see the fruit of it right away. If the
seed is sown, you'll reap something at some point. So

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I remember two o'clock in the morning, I would put
my earphones in and I would just listen to the
Word of God.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Being played scripture.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Listen. You know, I couldn't hold my Bible out because
the baby's nursing and I'm trying to change a diaper,
and I'm you know, irritable and all that kind of stuff.
But I would listen to the word, or i'd listen
to worship music or teaching, and I was just sowing
a little seed that kept a little flicker of fire
on the altar.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
And I know there are many moms. Sometimes you struggle.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
You just feel like you've backsliden and you know you've
lost your way.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
But if I could say anything that there, I feel
like the Bible says God gives seed to the sower,
that there's always a season where there's always a time
where the Lord will nudge you about what to do
to stoke the fires.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
In your heart of passion for him.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
That may look one way in one season, in a
different way in a different season. So I always say
to people, you know, they're like, oh, I don't have time.
I'm like, no, you know what your time may look different.
But you know you may be in the car and
that drive from your you know, your work to your home.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
You're praying in.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
The spirit, you're you know, you're you're lifting your hands
and you know, praising the Lord. Just don't close your eyes.
You know you may be doing whatever, but as you like, right, hallowlo,
and you're just doing this, just don't get caught up
in the spirit and you know, crash your car. However,
I just feel like there are moments that God, God
will give you wisdom as your heart is turned to

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Him to keep fire on the altar in the winter season,
in the season where it's summer, where everything is blazing bonfire,
like you're loving Jesus great. You know, you feel great
about your relationship, and then times where you don't.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
So that would be nugget number one.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Number two would be a scripture and I wrote this
down that I feel like is so pertinent and I'm
going to read it to you in the passion. It
says this, Let everyone be devoted to fulfill the work
of God, the work God has given them to do
with excellence, and their joy will be doing will be
in doing what's right and being themselves, not in being

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affirmed by others.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
I want to say it again.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Let everyone be devoted to fulfill the work God has
given them to do with excellence, and their joy will
be in doing what's right and being themselves and not
being affirmed by others. And the nugget I would have
for stewarding the seasons would just be This is number one.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
In every season, figure out what the work God is.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Giving you to do, like what's he asking, not what
is pop culture pressuring you to do or church culture
pressuring you to do. Because when you know you're laying,
you can put one foot in front of the other
in the land, cultivate faithfulness, and you know that there's
joy in doing that. Part of the scripture also says,

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you know, to do it with excellence. I'm a firm
believer in excellence, not perfectionism. I'm a believer in knowing.
You know, if I'm going to bring my best as
a Bible says I'm gonna do it unto the Lord,
and I'm gonna I'm gonna do it excellent, excellently if
that's a word, you know, and not with a drivenness
for perfectionism. And then it says in that chapter joy

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will happen when you do what's right and you be
your self. Another tidbit there of wisdom. In every season,
I've had to re find who I am.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
I've had to anchor myself.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
In again, Who's God created me? You know, I see
reading articles about these super moms or like you said, Michelle,
you know all these influencers and the body Christ and whatever,
and it's like, you know what, No, my requirement in
every season is to do what is right and just
to be myself and joy comes when you do that.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
You know, it's a party.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
It's a party because I am who I'm supposed to
be right. And then the last part of that, it
says in not being affirmed by others, And I think
that that is huge everybody needs. Don't get me wrong,
everybody needs affirmation, you know, but we need to get
our affirmation primarily in the foundation of our affirmation from
God and the love of God. And I think that

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we are in a culture where everybody is looking to
be affirmed.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Did I do this right? Do I look right?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Did I get the you know, my latest? You know,
am I wearing the right color for the season? And
you know all these different things and it's I think
that once again, just answer your question. I think that
this scripture exemplifies so many things that we as women
to the seasons that we're going through, whether winter, whether fall,
whether spring or summer, that if we do the work
God's given us to do, we do it in excellence.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
We are ourselves and we do.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
What is right, and we we put our stock in
what God says over us.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
You win, you win.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
And the last nugget, if I have time for one
more nugget, would be would be just this statement, live
by risky faith. And and it kind of sounds like
a random statement, but it's just what the Lord gave
me as to how I do what I do.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Live by risky faith.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Bill Johnson said this, if you live cautiously, everyone will
call you wise, but you won't move mountains. And I
think that we need wisdom and what we do in
our decision making, but we need risky faith. And we're
in a season where, in many seasons, I feel like
the Lord needs us to believe him to be who

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he says he is and to pursue him into extra
ordinary breakthrough.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
And I kind of live by that.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I think that's wisdom. I'm always like, like you said, Michelle,
I'm looking for champion God to show off, like you know,
I could do this, but how do how do I?
You know?

Speaker 3 (33:52):
And I literally I'll.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Just say this real quick. I actually had that this morning.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
I was called a couple of days ago for an
that I'm doing with some Americans, and they were like,
you know what we need five thousand dollars our budget,
Like we just realize the budget needs more.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
And I was like what They're like, can you ask
some people for five thousand? And I was like okay. Literally,
at about ten o'clock last night, I sent out an
email to some people that I know that have got,
you know, weight in the older generation in the nation,
and literally I got a call today with someone saying, Hey,
I'm paying the whole tab, like we're good.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
And for a minute I was just like, oh God.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
And then the lords like, do you believe me? You
will have what your faith expects. So we're either going
to do this or we're not going to do this.
And I was like, okay, we're going to do it.
And sure enough the Lord risky faith. I'm like, how
you know?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
But here we are, so go big or go home.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
These are so good. But I love what you picked
up from Galatian six four in the Passion translation. That
is so good today.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Oh my goodness, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
To just be fully devoted to what God has for
to do. You know, we know that we work as
unto the Lord, we give him the work of our hands,
that we we do it for him. We don't do
it for people. And I remember, probably just after college,
I worked overseas. I worked in Egypt for a university

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and for a period of time, and it was cool
because I didn't want a real job air quotes. But
I ended up working for the dean I know, but
the Lord kind of I had one plan, He had
another plan. But I ended up working for the dean
of the continued education program there. And it's interesting to

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think about that season now, almost twenty years later. I'm
still friends with a lot of the ladies that I
worked with there, and we've kept up. But we were
we were launching programs and establishing new things. And that's
part of the call of God upon my life now
as an Apostolic leader. And so even in the small thing,

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maybe it's your first job in the area of passion
that you feel like God's calling you into. There is
a seed that God is putting in you in this assignment.
And if you'll be faithful, if you'll steward it, if
you'll nourish it, if you'll cherish it, God will get
the increase and it will make sense in the future. Season.
I truly believe that with all my heart and I

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know that that's for many of you who are listening today,
because we can get so weary in the beginning stages
because nothing comes without work, nothing comes without sewing.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Without going.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, no workman like puts his hand to the plow
and looks back, you know. And so I think this generation,
because there's so many microwave successes, overnight successes, and we're
seeing things happen so quickly, we as the body of Christ,
we have to remember that there are seasons where we plow.
There are seasons when we have to push through, where

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we have to persevere. But then there are other seasons
when we're sowing, when we're watering, and we're seeing the
increase like coming right in our eyes. And then there's
other times when we get to enjoy and reap from
the harvest that God has given and the increase that
He's given. But there are other seasons where it's like
God's like, okay, it's barren. I need you to do

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it again, you know, I need you to unearth things
and dig up this area and pioneer again. And so
I love what you were sharing from this Galatian six
to four, because there's joy in whatever season you're doing
because God placed you in it, and it's a spiritual thing.

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It's not how your flesh feels, because you can get weary,
you can get worn out. I mean we all like
you were talking about feeding your baby in the middle
of the night. You were tired, you were cranky, but
there was showing that season for you because it was
what God it cause. Yeah, yeah, I see, I see

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you starting.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Absolutely on your heart, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Like there's so
much there's so much pressure for so many different women
to look to the left and the right on what
other people are doing, you know, and what other people
are saying, and well they did it in two years,

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or they did it in five months, or look what happened,
and it's You're right.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
There's so much power in staying in your lane and
really hearing, once again, hearing the voice of God regarding
what He's asked you to do, the affirmation of God
in it, and knowing that as you as you plow,
as you put one foot in front of the other.
And I'm a firm believer in that now, you know,
contrary to you know, my husband has been saying that
from time, But I am a firm believer in many people,

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the Bible says, can boast about all the things that
they do, but who can find a faithful man? And
I think in women, and I think we're in that
season where the Lord puts such value on faithfulness, doing
what he asked you to do and sticking to it,
you know, And there's something in the middle of that
of humility. You know, it's like Philippians, what is it?

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Philippians too, where he was humbled to the place of
obedience to go to the cross Jesus. And I think
sometimes we, you know, it's like we're like.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Oh, I don't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
I don't know, and it's like God says, you know,
I want to do this or I want to do that,
and we've got to eat a good slice of humble
pie and just be like, hey, you know what I want,
maybe not what God wants. I'm going to obey what
you want me to do and let's see it through,
you know. So I love it, Michelle, I love it.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
No. And so I think I've shared these versus with
those that are listening before, but I'm going to share
them again from Matthew chapter six and the message translation
because it really ties in with what pastors share. It
is saying, but it's steep your life in God reality,
God initiative, God provisions. Don't worry about missing out. You'll
find all your everyday human concerns will be met. Give

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your attention to what God is doing now and don't
get worked up about what may or may not happen tomorrow.
God will help you with whatever hard things come up
when the time comes. I stand by that is. That
has been my scripture from when I became seeing your
pastor my dad passed away. From that day, it was like,

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just focus on that. Continue to just focus on what
He's doing, and He'll help you when the time comes up.
So you know, maybe today is the day to say God,
I need your help today on this hard thing and
believe that you'll meet the person that you need, You'll
find the resources that you need, that you'll walk into

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the center of God's will for your life in this moment.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
All right.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
So before I forget to ask you, I want to
talk to you about your involvement with Reverend Billy Wilson
Empowered twenty one next Gen Leaders. Can you talk to
us about like how you got involved and what it
means to be a part of that coalition of young leaders.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I got involved with Mama Cindy.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
A lot of you guys know her.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I was on a trip accompanying her to an Empowered
twenty one meeting in South Africa in joe Burg, and
at that time, their senior cabinet was meeting, they were
doing a conference, their scholars were meeting their scholars or
a group of people that write papers on current issues
in that affect the Spirit Empowered movement globally. And as

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I accompanied her, I was just literally like, I'm here
to carry your bag, Mama Cindy. I'm here to make
sure you eat, make sure you sleep, just to be
with you here, you know. But she had a different plan.
She actually took me along the trip because they Empowered
twenty one were establishing their exten cabinet. They were in
the beginning stages of putting together a cabinet that would

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address the issues that face the next generation.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
And really adjust a couple of core outcomes.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
So I was at that meeting, introduced to different ones
and then became part of the team of leaders globally.
I currently sit as the regional co Regional Director for
North America. So my counterpart, Ali Bunila is in the States.
So we just literally as a group North America. I mean,

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we've got leaders from Asia, all over Asia, Africa and Europe.
We are looking at the issues and the trends that
are ever changing with the advancements of technology. Just some
of the things that we're seeing globally. There are a
couple of organizations that have put out statistics through research

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and reports.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
One Hope did it. They did the Global Youth Report.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
There was a report out of Canada called Hemorrhaging Faith.
There's you know, Barnard Group. I'm pretty sure they put
out something as well as per some of the negative
things that they were seeing come up in gen Z
and alpha and just how are we going to address
those issues. So I've always been a kid of legacy.

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My father everything about him was legacy. He was an
obg y n delivered you know, babies and wrote papers
on uh, preserving life in the womb and how to
you know, all these different things. So in our family line,
everything is about legacy. What is the next generation going
to take up? And I just remember being in those

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meetings in South Africa over Mother's Day and over my birthday, Uh,
there was kind of this coalescing moment of you know,
prophetic realities, just feeling such a call to the next
generation and a call to lay a good foundation, particularly
my nation. The stats are incredibly real as it pertains

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to those that follow Jesus and what we're handing off
to the next generation, the biblical illiteracy, you know, just
a whole bunch of different things that can be found
in that.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
So that's kind of my you know, where I.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Found myself and obviously the presiding leader of that is
Billy Wilson, and you know the team out of America,
Caleb Worley and just different ones and we just kind
of met over the years, met in all these amazing places.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Dubai. We're headed to South Korea.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
I think there's a World Pentecostal Conference there, but we're
going to attack on a meeting because we found that
and I'll say this that in our generation. So we're
addressing issues of the next generation, but also the emerging
generations of leaders globally that will take on the bar
or you pass on the baton from the senior leaders,
so both the next generation as young, but also who's

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going to be leading some of these world movements. But
what we've found in our generation that's a little bit
different than the older generation is we like to hang out.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
We want to work, but we want.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
To sit together and be like, what are you doing
in Singapore?

Speaker 3 (45:17):
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (45:18):
This is what we're seeing in Japan, this is what
we're seeing in Malawi, this is what we're So we
work together, but we also play. So we're like, let's
just and that's how we've developed relationships and we've been
able to kind of walk together. We wanted to be
a generation that walked together globally and not just showed
up at meetings, but walked together. And that was just

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something we felt was important. So that's kind of my
Empower twenty one journey.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Now that's awesome. So for those who are not familiar,
the vision of Empower twenty one is that every person
on earth would have an authentic encounter with Jesus Christ
through the power and presence of the Holy Spirit by
pen to Cost twenty thirty three. So that is a
huge vision and it takes a lot of leaders talking

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and even as you've been saying, praying, sharing strategies, sharing
vision so that the harvest that's been prophesied, can have
reapers and places for them to be cultivated for this time.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, I was just gonna say one quick thing. I
think we're in a generation You probably would agree with
me that there's so many cultural issues that are flying
around and we're recognizing that. I mean, just coming through COVID,
coming through you know, the Just Black Lives Matt.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
I mean, there were so many different.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Pieces that had been spinning around, and we're recognizing that
the next generation needs some leadership on how to process
those things and how to kind of journey through those things,
and how do we empower them to be a voice.
And they're you know, through cancel culture, you know, all
these different things that we're facing right now. So I

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just want to throw that in there. I think in
Powers One as an organization, as we coalesce and come together,
we're really trying to ask God for strategies around them. Now.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
That's so good because like even here in our local
church setting, I've been sitting with some people who believe
that they're called for teaching ministry or preaching ministry and
just sitting and talking through and saying, Okay, we have
to contextualize scripture. We have to think critically about how
we think and then apply the word to wokeism to

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what we believe about abortion, so what we believe about
black lives matter, and allow the word to really inform
our opinion. And I was even sharing that one young
man yesterday about some laws here even in our state,
that he was unaware of. So I was just like,
you know, we have to do the research. We have

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to be well studied. One thing about Daniel shadrackby Check
and of Bendigo is that they knew the culture and
the literature of the time in which they lived, and
they were aware of where they were sitting in history
and what their stand meant. And so I really pray

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that even as we enter into this time of creating
this ministry training school we're calling the Sending Place here
and all of the things that we're doing, that the
younger generation really can understand the place in which God
has positioned them to show forth His glory and manifest
who He is the context of that, because.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
It's so so critical, so critical, and they're an innovative
generation like they are.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
What they are.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Creating is is it blows our mind. And the advancements
of technology and the implications of you know, you look
at AI, you looked at cryptocurrency, you look at blockchain
and all these things and what is said of And
one of the things I love about Billy Wilson and
some of the crew there is that they are going

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after rob works for one hope, They're going after you know,
what is our theology? Like how do we relate the
scriptures to some of the developments of technology when we're
looking at web three point oh, and what is going
to emerge in the hands of you know, metaverse and
what's going to emerge in the hands of these young
people that spend countless hours on devices globally and how

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they create and how they relate to our creators.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
So, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
It's a it's an interesting season that we're in and
it definitely needs to be pastored and discipled.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Absolutely, I completely concur Why do you believe the Lord
is mantling his daughters women for leadership in this season.

Speaker 6 (49:56):
Because we're amazing, No, we are amazing as when we
are amazing, I think, honestly, I think one of the
biggest factors is the harvest.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I think women tend to be more community focused, and
I think that that there are, there are. The voice
of women in the middle of community has a potential
to reap a significant harvest in this season.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Why do I say this, Even the un.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
You know, when they're looking at educating certain communities globally,
like if you look at third world countries and stuff,
they give the resources and they give the education into
the hands of women often because the women will take
it back to the village. The women will come and
she will spread it out, educate everybody, you know, get
everybody up to speed, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
And I think that that's one of the strategies.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Of the Lord to bring about a reaping of a
significant harvest. I think it's also important as it pertains
to the Lord bringing restoration to the family and restoration
to in the family. If you deal with the family,
you deal with the community, you deal with the city,
you deal with that, I mean. And women are a
little bit of a secret weapon in that. So I

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think the Lord is mantling women. And I think the
God of Justice, God are judge, He's the righteous Judge.
I think he's coming in this season saying, you know,
women's voices have been silenced for years, and I'm giving
credibility I'm putting an anointing. I'm putting an oiliness on
women as well, because I think he wants us to

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be a bit of a sign of you know, what
you thought was human wisdom is foolishness when it comes
to me, I'm going to release something in the earth
that may come through a hand that you never saw
it coming through, you know. And obviously there's certain there's
certain tracks of denominations and whatnot that feel differently about

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women in leadership and all of that. But I honestly
feel like the Lord is putting his oil on his
daughters because part of his heart is justice, and bringing
justice brings something full circle.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
So harvest justice.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I think that. I don't know. I just think it's
our time. I think the Lord is just like, all right,
I need both. I need I need both sides of
you know, the image of God in the earth, not
one at the forefront. I think he needs both. I
think they compliment each other. And it is for the
purpose of souls. It is for the purpose of his glory.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Uh, it is for.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
The purpose of you know, people coming to know Him
and all these things. And the last thing I would
say that just came to my mind is. I do
believe women carry a hand in inner healing in an
interesting way. And I think that with all the trauma
that has come to earth and all that has affected people,

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I think the Lord is releasing a company of social workers,
anointed godly women. I'm not talking about just preachers. I
think we're gonna see women that carry nurture into community.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
We're gonna see that anyway, Yeah right, yeah right.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
And it's just it's just it makes me laugh, and
it makes.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Me just get so excited for my sisters in the
Lord and for my daughter. As I watched Lord mantle her.
My daughter said to me the other day, and then
I'll close with this, she said, Mom, she said, not
everybody has the gospel like the way they need to
have the gospel.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
And her ten year old.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Self, she said, what if I took the gospel to
people that don't have the gospel? Mom?

Speaker 3 (53:40):
You know, we always knew she was going to be
our missionary kid.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Right, she's she's she just like send me, I'll go wherever.
But this morning I looked, I took a little snack
sneak peek in. Her journal was open on her desk,
and she was sleeping don't tell her. Don't tell her.
And I looked and she actually wrote out, God, if
you send me to other names to bring the gospel,
I'll go. And I thought to myself, men, like even

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in my young daughter, she's getting a glimpse of what
how God could use her. So God is mantling women,
He's mantling young girls. He's saying, you know what, you're
in a season where girls can do can do it too,
like you can go you know. So yeah, that would
be my thought.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah, No, I really sense the way to the presence
of God on what you're saying, because you know, right
now in the world there's been a me too movement.
There has been a push for women the equality. But
for every counterfeit annoying, there is an authentic move of
God and a work of restoration that he's doing. And

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I believe that there are many that are listening today
where that's where the Holy Spirit is hovering over you
because He wants you to be the one to break barriers,
break protocols, break stereotypes, but not in your own mind,
but in the strength and the grace of God being
upon your life that He could use the simple things

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to confound the wise.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
There you go, you know.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
And so when you're the prototype, when you're the one
who is pioneering something new, it can be kind of
you know, sketchy, crazy, exhilarating, worry some it can be
all of the things. But yet the Lord is But
yet the Lord is calling women to do that because
we're the sex that we're the sex that was able

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to bear children. So we have a different strength to
persevere and to really be able to birth something because
that's why we were created that way. And so I
just want to encourage everybody who's listening today not to
give up on what God is calling you into, no

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matter how difficult it may seem, no matter how looming
the obstacles may be, because it's the time and the season.
We're good life.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Come on. Yeah, you're right though, sketchy crazy, I had
to write that one. I'm like, yeah, I get you, crazy,
but you're right, there's being a pioneering something new.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Sometimes you're just like, what.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Me, me.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Exactly exactly? Would you pray for those that are listening today?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah? Absolutely, Father, we love you so much. We thank
you just for the opportunity to gather for those that
are listening. When they're listening, you know the moment. God,
I thank you for just inspiring us another day to
come into another day with strength, Father, to rise up

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in what you're clothing us within this hour. And Father,
I just thank you for community.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Father, for each.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
One that is hearing this and saying, oh, Man, I
love this. I need to find people that are like
this or like me. Father, I pray that you would
put your words as you put the lonely in family.
And Father, I thank you right now that you're placing
people in families and in the family of God, and

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that they are coming into a place where they can
bloom and.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Grow and thrive.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
So just bless every listener, and I just thank you
for the new beginnings and the just what you're doing
on the earth and how much you delight in us
and you delight as we co labor with you.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
So we thank you for that in Jesus' name.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Hey man, Lord, I just agree with that prayer that
has been prayed. But Lord, I just pray for another
level of discernment for the time and the season to
come upon as as your daughter's Lord to understand. Even
as we were talking about the context in which we
live and the context and our children live. Help us

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to impart to them those things that are of You
that they need for the next stage, whether that be
our biological children or our spiritual children, in the name
of Jesus, that they would be more than conquerors. God,
we just break off lethargy, spiritual lethargy today, and we
thank you Lord that women will rise up as spirit

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empowered leaders. God, we break off all of the feminism
that manifested. Not like your heart. Lord, we break off
any kind of independent spirit today that would not yield
to the leading of Holy Spirit. We ask God that
even as we've shared, even as Sharon has shared her
story today, Lord, I pray that what is of you

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God that has imparted today would cause resurrection life to
spring forth. We just shake off grave clothes today. We
cast off dead things, old things, weights and distractions today.
And Lord, we thank you that you're bringing your daughters
into a new place in establishing them in the call

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that you have for their lives. In Jesus' name.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Amen, Amen, Amen, this.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
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