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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Creation Podcast, the show where
we discuss the science that confirms scripture. I am your host,
Trey and this is part two of a two part series.
So if you missed the first episode, you can click
here and give it a watch.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
But for now, let's begin.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So, racism and its foul fruits have plagued humanity for
thousands of years, and in the past couple of centuries
it seems to have reared its ugly head. All the more,
there are some that claim that the Bible promotes permanent
racial divisions and is therefore either the cause or a
major driving force behind modern racial hatreds.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
But is this true.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
In the previous episode, we looked at some of the
claims about scripture that are untrue, as well as the
beginning of scientific racism in the West. Now let's dig
into that topic a bit further. To have this conversation
with I have icr's geneticist, doctor Jeff Tompkins.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Thank you for being here. It's great to be here. Yeah, okay,
so let's just dive right in.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
In the last episode, we talked a little bit about how,
you know, the ideas of modern racism really took off
in the founding of the evolutionary movement. With Darwin and
some of his cohorts will say today we're gonna dig
a little deeper. We're gonna read a lot of quotes,
(01:28):
some difficult things to hear and say, like some uncomfortable
things that I'm gonna feel uncomfortable saying on this podcast.
I just know that they are quotes from people who
are founders of this evolutionary movement, and we really want
to make it clear that this is where it began,
This is where the ideas of racism began. Race is
(01:49):
inherent in evolution. I mean, we know we mentioned last
time the subtitle of Darwin's work is the Preservation of
Favored Races in the Struggle for Life, And of course
he meant that to be kind of like about animals,
but we know that.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well, he wrote a book on human evolution, and.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
If we are nothing more than highly evolved animals from
his perspective, then races includes us.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Well, yeah, Darwin, you know, started the whole idea that
we evolved from some kind of an ape. And you
know what's interesting is that modern evolution claims that humans
evolved in Africa because that's where chimpanzees live, and they
claim that we're we're the closest thing to a chimp,
and so you know, they're talking out of both sides
(02:39):
of their mouth, you know it. Really in reality, they're saying,
you know, people in Africa are more primitive, but we're
not racists, right, But the scientific evidence doesn't support out
of Africa. In fact, there's there's one science journalist that
wrote a book called Into Africa because we're finding a
lot of human fossils, fully human fossils in Asia on
(03:05):
remote islands, Asian islands, that allegedly are you know, one
point five to two million years old, And according to
the out of Africa theory, humans didn't migrate out of
Africa until about one hundred to two hundred thousand years ago.
So the fact of the matter is we have all
these these human fossils that are by evolutionary dating standards
(03:29):
which I don't, which are also faulty, which are also faulty,
that actually existed before anyone left Africa, that was evolved enough.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But really, the whole out of Africa.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Idea of human evolution, in my opinion, is racist. Even
though all these modern evolutionists would say, oh, no, we're
not racists. Well what are you promoting this nonsense for then?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So right, right, absolutely, And it began all the way
with Charles Darwin. I mean he was convinced of white
racial superiority, although technically speaking he disagreed with slavery at
least on moral grounds. So good for him, I guess
you know the credit where credits due. But I have
(04:13):
this quote from him that I'm going to read. We'll
put it up on screen. I could show fight on
natural selection having done and doing more for the progress
of civilization than you seem inclined to admit. The more
civilized so called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow
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in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at
no very distant date, what an endless number of the
lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized
races throughout the world. So there it is from the beginning,
the elimination of lower races by the higher races. Do
you have thoughts on that?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, you know, Darwin's whole idea is based on this
struggle to survive. In other words, everyone's in a fight,
you know, to survive, and and you know Darwin, you know,
promoted that with with animal evolution and so forth. You know,
(05:17):
animals are just struggling to survive and fighting and you
know and clawing to get forward, and but he also
applied that to humans. And so in my opinion, yeah,
that not only is the whole evolutionary idea undergird racism,
but it also promotes you know, these violent struggles as
(05:40):
part of it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And it was in that quote you just gave.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
So it's it's not just racism, it's violent.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, I mean the quote you gave
was perfect. It was about you know, fighting against some
people group because you think you're superior and getting rid
of them, and your your fragment of the population would
then get bigger because of this this violent struggle. So yeah,
evolution really is it's a theory of the survival of
(06:12):
the fittest, you know, of survival of of who can
be the most aggressive, the most violent, the most domineering,
and you're doing it so you can survive and move
up the evolutionary.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Ladder, which fits yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, it fits perfectly with with you know racism and
oppressing you know, people groups, enslaving them and trying to
justify it somehow, and it's certainly not biblical whatsoever. In
fact that yeah, I think that's an important thing we
need to note is that not only does Darwin's theory
(06:47):
undergird racism, but it also promotes violence and aggression on
top of it. It's like a dual, a dual whammy,
a double double whammy of of evil.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, it is evil at its core. And and we
have Thomas Huxley. So I have heard that he was
the man perhaps most responsible for the widespread acceptance of evolution.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Why is that he was known as Darwin's bulldog.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
So Darwin was the idea man, the guy that wrote
the books and came and really formulated the idea during
his era. But Huxley was known as Darwin's bulldog, so
he basically took Darwin's ideas and promoted them. He was
like the PR guy, right and so, and of course
Huxley was part of the elite, upper crust establishment. And
(07:44):
so you know, once again we talked about this in
the previous podcast. You know who had the money and
the power all this was going on England, United States,
Germany and so, yes, and so Huxley was a chief
PR man that really promoted Darwin's ideas.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And he had the money in power to do so.
So I have a quote from him. This is after
the American Civil War. So this is after America fought
a very bloody war about you know, slavery, about you know, racism,
(08:23):
and it's you know, and and the right side one
in that case. So this is this is Thomas Huxley
looking at America where we have just fought a war
over the fact of like, hey, are black people people right?
Are they free? Are they no longer slaves? And so
(08:46):
he said right after that, no rational man cognizant of
the facts believes that the average negro is the equal,
still less the superior of the white man. And if
this be true, it is simply incredible that when all
his disabilities are removed, and our prognathis relative, has a
(09:07):
fair field and no favor as well as no oppressor,
he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger
brained and smaller job rival in a contest which is
to be carried out by thoughts and not by bites.
And that, like, honestly reading that makes me sick. So
we have this man who is saying, after America freeze
(09:28):
the slaves. Hey, look, we know that white people are
better than black people.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
That is what he's saying.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Well, he's saying, and we'll move this agenda forward with
our thoughts or our ideas which they promoted in academia
and which became the standard in academia in the United
States and Europe. People don't realize how interconnected, you know,
these people were that were you know, in academia, in
(09:59):
this upper cro of society. They were very well connected
across the United States and Europe, and the United States
had lots of connections. The things that were going on
right before World War Two. I'm not going to mention
that particular wealthy families, but that were supporting there were
wealthy families in the United States that were supporting what
(10:23):
was going on at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and the
racist stuff that was going on in Germany. Of course,
after the war, they tried to cover that up and
dissociate themselves. But you know, like I mentioned before in
the previous podcast, Hitler was Time Magazine's Man of the Year.
His picture was on the cover of Time magazine. Hitler
(10:43):
was a complete racist, and that was right before World
War two. And so yeah, I mean, you know, racism,
and it evolved into what we would call the eugenics
movement in the nineteen hundreds, is popular in the United States,
which include the forced sterilization of people that they thought
(11:07):
were inferior.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
And as you noted in a.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Previous podcast with doctor Galuza, now that even happened in
the nineteen seventies, isn't that what you said? So yeah,
So these these terrible ideas of eugenics and racism, you know,
were still still going on until not that long ago.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Still percolating down, and we have here Thomas Huxley, the
man again most responsible for the acceptance of evolution other
than Charles Darwin himself, is saying such a grossly racist
thing right from the very beginning. So clearly evolutionists today
(11:53):
they don't they don't want to be identified with racism.
And although racism existed before, you know, the acceptance of evolution,
I would say, like biological arguments for racism certainly increased
after it was accepted.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Right, yeah, And you know I gave you that quote
from Stephen J. Gould, a very famous modern evolutionist. He
passed away not that long ago. So Stephen J. Gould
said biological arguments for racism may have been common before
eighteen fifteen, but they increased by orders of magnitude following
(12:33):
the acceptance of evolutionary theory.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
So even Stephen J.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Gould admitted that racism exploded, you know, after Darwin's ideas
and the acceptance of evolutionary theory, which we mentioned that
Thomas Huxley had a huge part in promoting, you know,
across the world.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Well, I have another quote from Darwin here, and.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It was thought that like in their words, lesser races.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
To be clear, we are not claiming that Darwin thought
that non white races were lesser beings and that at
some point they would be removed as just part of
the natural order of things. This will just happen through evolution,
and his quote is at some future period not very
distant as measured by centuries. The civilized races of man
(13:31):
will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout
the world. At the same time, the anthropomorphis apes will
no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his
nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene
between man in a more civilized state, as we may
(13:51):
hope even than the Caucasian and some ape as low
as Baboon instead of as now between the Negro or
Australian and the gorilla. So like I'm reading this and
it's saying like, hey, it is just going to happen
that white people will exterminate the lower races. And then
(14:14):
he even like he's saying that the evolutionary gap between
ape and human will grow?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Am I reading that correctly? Do you have thoughts on that?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Well, yeah, of course we can see none of this
ever happen. Right, we still have gorillas. Gorillas are still gorillas,
and they just make more gorillas. It's a the gorilla kind.
There's the chimpanzee kind, and chimps are still alive and well,
and they just make more chimps and they haven't changed either.
(14:48):
And of course orangutang's the same thing. And of course
humans now are diverse, as we were talking about in
the break in between podcasts. You know, we live in Dallas, Texas,
one of the most diverse places in the country really,
(15:09):
So you'll go into any store, you know, a grocery store,
a drug store or whatever, and it's like the United Nations.
I mean there's people from almost every people group in there,
and so you know, Darwin was flat out wrong. You know,
people just make more people, and there's no different race
(15:30):
races of people. There's just different people groups. You know,
some people say ethnicities and whatever. I like to use
the word people group because people, you know, are interfertile
with anyone else on the planet, and they just make
more humans. And of course humans, it's not necessarily good
(15:51):
to say humans are they are the human kind, but
they're different because humans were created in the image of God,
and of course that image became corrupt at the fall
of man, at the fall of atom.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
In the garden.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
But humans are are the pinnacle of God's creation, and
we see that in Genesis one, in Genesis two, and yeah,
it's it's just, it's it's terrible to overlay this evolutionary
nonsense and racism and violence struggle for the fittest upon humans.
(16:27):
It's it's not biblical, and it's it's evil.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
It is it's gross, and it's like, we know that now,
and I'm wondering, you know, I don't anyone in the
eighteenth century, I don't know, I don't know their minds
or their their thought processes because I wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Well, you know, we need to think about how are
modern humans influenced by so called science?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
It affects us all. Yeah, it affects us all in
a lot of different ways. And it affects our understanding
of the Bible and the integrity of the scriptures. And
the fact of the matter is that much of what
passes for modern science, and I'm talking about theoretical science,
like evolution, is not scientifically supported. You know, we don't
(17:17):
see things morphing into other kinds of things. We don't
see evolution actually happening, happening, you know, we see creatures
and humans staying the same and just reproducing, you know,
after their kind, and humans making more humans. Of course,
as I mentioned, humans are created in the image of God,
and you know that image has been corrupted. It's that
(17:41):
corruption in humans, which you know, when you mix that
with evolutionary ideas, is a really bad, really bad outcome.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And that's where this leads. And again it happened in
America too. We want to be you know, we're taking
a lot of yeah, I guess in these in these episodes,
we've taken a lot of you know, we've pointed the
finger at Darwin and you know Great Britain and Germany,
you know.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
When we talked about the Holocaust.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But uh, I just have one more quote here from
American biologist Edwin G.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Conklin.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
He was the professor of biology at Princeton and president
of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So pretty elite dude, yes.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
And he said, every consideration should lead those who believe
in the superior the superiority of the white race, to
strive to preserve its purity and to establish and maintain
the segregation of the races. For the longer this is maintained,
the greater the preponderance of the white race will be. Again,
it's gross. I've used that word a lot, and I shouldn't.
(18:46):
That's you know, not good podcast etiquette or whatever. But like,
it makes me sick that that this is where the
science of our country is coming from, is just pure,
unadultated race.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Right, And you know the only solution is is to
give your life to the Lord Jesus Christ and read
the scriptures. Let me give a really good example of
how that happened. So there was a famous Confederate general.
He was very successful in his military tactics, Nathan Bedford Forest,
(19:24):
and he owned slaves, and he definitely was a racist,
and he after the Civil War he even helped start
the klu Klux Klan. However, at the end of his
life he became a born again Christian and he actually
gave a speech once and presented flowers I think there
(19:45):
were roses to a black lady and kissed her on
the cheek and he totally repented of his ideas. And
he was right in the middle of the eighteen hundreds.
You know, he knew he was a smart man. He
knew all about Darwin's ideas and and how they supported racism.
But you know what, he got born at the end,
(20:07):
he became a new man in christ and completely repented
of all that false thinking.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
If he can do it back then, and you take
some courage, it took a lot of courage.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Well he was obviously a.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Courageous a military guy, but but yeah, that was that
was really amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, And and so like we know, despite its current
attempts to like avoid racist undertones, evolution is just inherently
racist at its core. And we've seen that like, applied
to its fullest extent, evolution results in racist ideologies, eugenics,
(20:55):
most notably, like we've results in Nazi Germany. Like that's
that's where that goes. But we know that the Christian,
the born again Christian, like Nathan Bedford Forest, the Christian
has no option to be racist.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
No, I mean he got born again radically. It was
life to Jesus Christ, and you know it, he totally
revolutionized his entire perspective. He began walking in love and realizing,
you know that everyone was created in God's image, And yeah,
(21:34):
I mean that's just radical.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So yeah, well I have I'll get your closing thoughts
here in a second. I just have a verse that
I'd like to put on the screen, and this is
this is from the Book of Acts, you know, so
this is early on in Church history. And He has
made from one blood every nation of men to dwell
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on all the face of the earth, and has determined
their pre appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings.
I just wanted to draw attention to that one blood,
every nation comes from one blood. We're all humans, We're
all made in the image of God. The Christian has
no option to be.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Racist, Yeah, exactly, And actually that means that means genetics really,
I know, the Greek words hima, which is blood. But
you know, that's how we think of genetics. You know,
we talk about bloodlines, we talk about having close you know,
blood relatives. You know, this is my cousin, he's a
close blood relative. And so yeah, that's basically a statement
(22:38):
from the Book of Acts saying that all of humanity
came from Adam and Eve. All that genetic diversity to
create all these different people groups, every shade of humans
with different levels of melanin in their skin is what
causes you know, people to have light or darker in between,
you know, colored skin, all of colored skin. And so oh,
(23:00):
it's actually a somewhat complex trade because only six genes
are able to account for a thirty percent of the
variation in human skin color. So there's a lot of
complex genetics and pathways going on there. So so obviously
there's more than six genes to account for the other
seventy percent of the variation. So yeah, I mean there's
(23:23):
a lot of genetic diversity built into humans and it
all came from the original ancestral couple that that verse
you just quoted in Acts talks about all of that
genetic variation was built into Adam and Eve and where
we all came from one blood, all the kindreds and
tongues and nations, people groups on this.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Earth, and in eternity they will all be there as well.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, that's what's so wonderful is that.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
You know, we talked about the Tower of Babbel in
the previous podcast, how that was responsible for creating, you know,
all these different people groups that we see today. Because
after the global flood, everyone stayed in one place, they
spoke the same language. It looked like they tried to
recreate their pre flood pagan empire. They disobeyed God who
told them to spread out and go out into the
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earth and repopulate it. They disobeyed, so God confused their languages.
And so you're only going to breed or marry someone
and have a family with whom you can communicate and
speak the same language. So all these languages were confused,
and it immediately caused all of these different subsets of
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human genetics to go out across the earth, and that's
why we see all this diversity. But you know what
all these people meant for evil by disobeying God and
staying in one place, God meant it for good, because,
as you noted, we have that scripture in the Book
of Revelations which talks about people from every kindred tribe
(24:55):
and tongue and nation who have been redeemed by the
Lord Jesus Christ being in heaven and all together worshiping
God around his throne. All this human diversity.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Man, Yeah, well that's a solid ending. I want to
give you one more opportunity if you have any just
final thoughts or encouragements, or viewers or listeners, anything you
want to say.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, I would say, you know, go to the Bible
and go to Genesis, because that explains no humanity, explains
where all the people groups came from. Most importantly, it
explains where humans came from. They were created on the
sixth Day as the pinnacle of creation in God's image,
and of course that image has been marred by sin
because Adam and E fell into sin and plunged the
(25:44):
human race into depravity. And you know, this human wickedness
and depravity underlies much of this false scientific theory of
survival of the fittest and Darwinian evolution and the racism
that that is fostered by evolutionary theory. So you know,
go back to the Bible, go to Genesis, and in fact,
(26:06):
if we do that, we see that everything in Genesis
lines up with our current scientific knowledge.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Awesome, Well, thank you so much for being here. Thank
you for just offering your time and expertise to chat
about this very a vital topic. Seems to be a
more pressing topic every day, right, So thank you here.
You're welcome. It's been good, and thank you to all
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Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Creation Podcast, the show where
we discuss the science that confirms scripture. I am your host,
Trey and this is part two of a two part series.
So if you missed the first episode, you can click
here and give it a watch.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
But for now, let's begin.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So, racism and its foul fruits have plagued humanity for
thousands of years, and in the past couple of centuries
it seems to have reared its ugly head. All the more,
there are some that claim that the Bible promotes permanent
racial divisions and is therefore either the cause or a
major driving force behind modern racial hatreds.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
But is this true.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
In the previous episode, we looked at some of the
claims about scripture that are untrue, as well as the
beginning of scientific racism in the West. Now let's dig
into that topic a bit further. To have this conversation
with I have icr's geneticist, doctor Jeff Tompkins.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Thank you for being here. It's great to be here. Yeah, okay,
so let's just dive right in.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
In the last episode, we talked a little bit about how,
you know, the ideas of modern racism really took off
in the founding of the evolutionary movement. With Darwin and
some of his cohorts will say today we're gonna dig
a little deeper. We're gonna read a lot of quotes,
(01:28):
some difficult things to hear and say, like some uncomfortable
things that I'm gonna feel uncomfortable saying on this podcast.
I just know that they are quotes from people who
are founders of this evolutionary movement, and we really want
to make it clear that this is where it began,
This is where the ideas of racism began. Race is
(01:49):
inherent in evolution. I mean, we know we mentioned last
time the subtitle of Darwin's work is the Preservation of
Favored Races in the Struggle for Life, And of course
he meant that to be kind of like about animals,
but we know that.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well, he wrote a book on human evolution, and.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
If we are nothing more than highly evolved animals from
his perspective, then races includes us.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Well, yeah, Darwin, you know, started the whole idea that
we evolved from some kind of an ape. And you
know what's interesting is that modern evolution claims that humans
evolved in Africa because that's where chimpanzees live, and they
claim that we're we're the closest thing to a chimp,
and so you know, they're talking out of both sides
(02:39):
of their mouth, you know it. Really in reality, they're saying,
you know, people in Africa are more primitive, but we're
not racists, right, But the scientific evidence doesn't support out
of Africa. In fact, there's there's one science journalist that
wrote a book called Into Africa because we're finding a
lot of human fossils, fully human fossils in Asia on
(03:05):
remote islands, Asian islands, that allegedly are you know, one
point five to two million years old, And according to
the out of Africa theory, humans didn't migrate out of
Africa until about one hundred to two hundred thousand years ago.
So the fact of the matter is we have all
these these human fossils that are by evolutionary dating standards
(03:29):
which I don't, which are also faulty, which are also faulty,
that actually existed before anyone left Africa, that was evolved enough.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But really, the whole out of Africa.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Idea of human evolution, in my opinion, is racist. Even
though all these modern evolutionists would say, oh, no, we're
not racists. Well what are you promoting this nonsense for then?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So right, right, absolutely, And it began all the way
with Charles Darwin. I mean he was convinced of white
racial superiority, although technically speaking he disagreed with slavery at
least on moral grounds. So good for him, I guess
you know the credit where credits due. But I have
(04:13):
this quote from him that I'm going to read. We'll
put it up on screen. I could show fight on
natural selection having done and doing more for the progress
of civilization than you seem inclined to admit. The more
civilized so called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow
(04:35):
in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at
no very distant date, what an endless number of the
lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized
races throughout the world. So there it is from the beginning,
the elimination of lower races by the higher races. Do
you have thoughts on that?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, you know, Darwin's whole idea is based on this
struggle to survive. In other words, everyone's in a fight,
you know, to survive, and and you know Darwin, you know,
promoted that with with animal evolution and so forth. You know,
(05:17):
animals are just struggling to survive and fighting and you
know and clawing to get forward, and but he also
applied that to humans. And so in my opinion, yeah,
that not only is the whole evolutionary idea undergird racism,
but it also promotes you know, these violent struggles as
(05:40):
part of it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And it was in that quote you just gave.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
So it's it's not just racism, it's violent.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, I mean the quote you gave
was perfect. It was about you know, fighting against some
people group because you think you're superior and getting rid
of them, and your your fragment of the population would
then get bigger because of this this violent struggle. So yeah,
evolution really is it's a theory of the survival of
(06:12):
the fittest, you know, of survival of of who can
be the most aggressive, the most violent, the most domineering,
and you're doing it so you can survive and move
up the evolutionary.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Ladder, which fits yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, it fits perfectly with with you know racism and
oppressing you know, people groups, enslaving them and trying to
justify it somehow, and it's certainly not biblical whatsoever. In
fact that yeah, I think that's an important thing we
need to note is that not only does Darwin's theory
(06:47):
undergird racism, but it also promotes violence and aggression on
top of it. It's like a dual, a dual whammy,
a double double whammy of of evil.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, it is evil at its core. And and we
have Thomas Huxley. So I have heard that he was
the man perhaps most responsible for the widespread acceptance of evolution.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Why is that he was known as Darwin's bulldog.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
So Darwin was the idea man, the guy that wrote
the books and came and really formulated the idea during
his era. But Huxley was known as Darwin's bulldog, so
he basically took Darwin's ideas and promoted them. He was
like the PR guy, right and so, and of course
Huxley was part of the elite, upper crust establishment. And
(07:44):
so you know, once again we talked about this in
the previous podcast. You know who had the money and
the power all this was going on England, United States,
Germany and so, yes, and so Huxley was a chief
PR man that really promoted Darwin's ideas.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And he had the money in power to do so.
So I have a quote from him. This is after
the American Civil War. So this is after America fought
a very bloody war about you know, slavery, about you know, racism,
(08:23):
and it's you know, and and the right side one
in that case. So this is this is Thomas Huxley
looking at America where we have just fought a war
over the fact of like, hey, are black people people right?
Are they free? Are they no longer slaves? And so
(08:46):
he said right after that, no rational man cognizant of
the facts believes that the average negro is the equal,
still less the superior of the white man. And if
this be true, it is simply incredible that when all
his disabilities are removed, and our prognathis relative, has a
(09:07):
fair field and no favor as well as no oppressor,
he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger
brained and smaller job rival in a contest which is
to be carried out by thoughts and not by bites.
And that, like, honestly reading that makes me sick. So
we have this man who is saying, after America freeze
(09:28):
the slaves. Hey, look, we know that white people are
better than black people.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
That is what he's saying.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Well, he's saying, and we'll move this agenda forward with
our thoughts or our ideas which they promoted in academia
and which became the standard in academia in the United
States and Europe. People don't realize how interconnected, you know,
these people were that were you know, in academia, in
(09:59):
this upper cro of society. They were very well connected
across the United States and Europe, and the United States
had lots of connections. The things that were going on
right before World War Two. I'm not going to mention
that particular wealthy families, but that were supporting there were
wealthy families in the United States that were supporting what
(10:23):
was going on at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and the
racist stuff that was going on in Germany. Of course,
after the war, they tried to cover that up and
dissociate themselves. But you know, like I mentioned before in
the previous podcast, Hitler was Time Magazine's Man of the Year.
His picture was on the cover of Time magazine. Hitler
(10:43):
was a complete racist, and that was right before World
War two. And so yeah, I mean, you know, racism,
and it evolved into what we would call the eugenics
movement in the nineteen hundreds, is popular in the United States,
which include the forced sterilization of people that they thought
(11:07):
were inferior.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
And as you noted in a.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Previous podcast with doctor Galuza, now that even happened in
the nineteen seventies, isn't that what you said? So yeah,
So these these terrible ideas of eugenics and racism, you know,
were still still going on until not that long ago.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Still percolating down, and we have here Thomas Huxley, the
man again most responsible for the acceptance of evolution other
than Charles Darwin himself, is saying such a grossly racist
thing right from the very beginning. So clearly evolutionists today
(11:53):
they don't they don't want to be identified with racism.
And although racism existed before, you know, the acceptance of evolution,
I would say, like biological arguments for racism certainly increased
after it was accepted.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Right, yeah, And you know I gave you that quote
from Stephen J. Gould, a very famous modern evolutionist. He
passed away not that long ago. So Stephen J. Gould
said biological arguments for racism may have been common before
eighteen fifteen, but they increased by orders of magnitude following
(12:33):
the acceptance of evolutionary theory.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
So even Stephen J.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Gould admitted that racism exploded, you know, after Darwin's ideas
and the acceptance of evolutionary theory, which we mentioned that
Thomas Huxley had a huge part in promoting, you know,
across the world.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Well, I have another quote from Darwin here, and.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It was thought that like in their words, lesser races.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
To be clear, we are not claiming that Darwin thought
that non white races were lesser beings and that at
some point they would be removed as just part of
the natural order of things. This will just happen through evolution,
and his quote is at some future period not very
distant as measured by centuries. The civilized races of man
(13:31):
will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout
the world. At the same time, the anthropomorphis apes will
no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his
nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene
between man in a more civilized state, as we may
(13:51):
hope even than the Caucasian and some ape as low
as Baboon instead of as now between the Negro or
Australian and the gorilla. So like I'm reading this and
it's saying like, hey, it is just going to happen
that white people will exterminate the lower races. And then
(14:14):
he even like he's saying that the evolutionary gap between
ape and human will grow?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Am I reading that correctly? Do you have thoughts on that?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Well, yeah, of course we can see none of this
ever happen. Right, we still have gorillas. Gorillas are still gorillas,
and they just make more gorillas. It's a the gorilla kind.
There's the chimpanzee kind, and chimps are still alive and well,
and they just make more chimps and they haven't changed either.
(14:48):
And of course orangutang's the same thing. And of course
humans now are diverse, as we were talking about in
the break in between podcasts. You know, we live in Dallas, Texas,
one of the most diverse places in the country really,
(15:09):
So you'll go into any store, you know, a grocery store,
a drug store or whatever, and it's like the United Nations.
I mean there's people from almost every people group in there,
and so you know, Darwin was flat out wrong. You know,
people just make more people, and there's no different race
(15:30):
races of people. There's just different people groups. You know,
some people say ethnicities and whatever. I like to use
the word people group because people, you know, are interfertile
with anyone else on the planet, and they just make
more humans. And of course humans, it's not necessarily good
(15:51):
to say humans are they are the human kind, but
they're different because humans were created in the image of God,
and of course that image became corrupt at the fall
of man, at the fall of atom.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
In the garden.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
But humans are are the pinnacle of God's creation, and
we see that in Genesis one, in Genesis two, and yeah,
it's it's just, it's it's terrible to overlay this evolutionary
nonsense and racism and violence struggle for the fittest upon humans.
(16:27):
It's it's not biblical, and it's it's evil.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
It is it's gross, and it's like, we know that now,
and I'm wondering, you know, I don't anyone in the
eighteenth century, I don't know, I don't know their minds
or their their thought processes because I wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Well, you know, we need to think about how are
modern humans influenced by so called science?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
It affects us all. Yeah, it affects us all in
a lot of different ways. And it affects our understanding
of the Bible and the integrity of the scriptures. And
the fact of the matter is that much of what
passes for modern science, and I'm talking about theoretical science,
like evolution, is not scientifically supported. You know, we don't
(17:17):
see things morphing into other kinds of things. We don't
see evolution actually happening, happening, you know, we see creatures
and humans staying the same and just reproducing, you know,
after their kind, and humans making more humans. Of course,
as I mentioned, humans are created in the image of God,
and you know that image has been corrupted. It's that
(17:41):
corruption in humans, which you know, when you mix that
with evolutionary ideas, is a really bad, really bad outcome.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And that's where this leads. And again it happened in
America too. We want to be you know, we're taking
a lot of yeah, I guess in these in these episodes,
we've taken a lot of you know, we've pointed the
finger at Darwin and you know Great Britain and Germany,
you know.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
When we talked about the Holocaust.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But uh, I just have one more quote here from
American biologist Edwin G.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Conklin.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
He was the professor of biology at Princeton and president
of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So pretty elite dude, yes.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
And he said, every consideration should lead those who believe
in the superior the superiority of the white race, to
strive to preserve its purity and to establish and maintain
the segregation of the races. For the longer this is maintained,
the greater the preponderance of the white race will be. Again,
it's gross. I've used that word a lot, and I shouldn't.
(18:46):
That's you know, not good podcast etiquette or whatever. But like,
it makes me sick that that this is where the
science of our country is coming from, is just pure,
unadultated race.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Right, And you know the only solution is is to
give your life to the Lord Jesus Christ and read
the scriptures. Let me give a really good example of
how that happened. So there was a famous Confederate general.
He was very successful in his military tactics, Nathan Bedford Forest,
(19:24):
and he owned slaves, and he definitely was a racist,
and he after the Civil War he even helped start
the klu Klux Klan. However, at the end of his
life he became a born again Christian and he actually
gave a speech once and presented flowers I think there
(19:45):
were roses to a black lady and kissed her on
the cheek and he totally repented of his ideas. And
he was right in the middle of the eighteen hundreds.
You know, he knew he was a smart man. He
knew all about Darwin's ideas and and how they supported racism.
But you know what, he got born at the end,
(20:07):
he became a new man in christ and completely repented
of all that false thinking.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
If he can do it back then, and you take
some courage, it took a lot of courage.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Well he was obviously a.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Courageous a military guy, but but yeah, that was that
was really amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, And and so like we know, despite its current
attempts to like avoid racist undertones, evolution is just inherently
racist at its core. And we've seen that like, applied
to its fullest extent, evolution results in racist ideologies, eugenics,
(20:55):
most notably, like we've results in Nazi Germany. Like that's
that's where that goes. But we know that the Christian,
the born again Christian, like Nathan Bedford Forest, the Christian
has no option to be racist.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
No, I mean he got born again radically. It was
life to Jesus Christ, and you know it, he totally
revolutionized his entire perspective. He began walking in love and realizing,
you know that everyone was created in God's image, And yeah,
(21:34):
I mean that's just radical.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So yeah, well I have I'll get your closing thoughts
here in a second. I just have a verse that
I'd like to put on the screen, and this is
this is from the Book of Acts, you know, so
this is early on in Church history. And He has
made from one blood every nation of men to dwell
(21:57):
on all the face of the earth, and has determined
their pre appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings.
I just wanted to draw attention to that one blood,
every nation comes from one blood. We're all humans, We're
all made in the image of God. The Christian has
no option to be.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Racist, Yeah, exactly, And actually that means that means genetics really,
I know, the Greek words hima, which is blood. But
you know, that's how we think of genetics. You know,
we talk about bloodlines, we talk about having close you know,
blood relatives. You know, this is my cousin, he's a
close blood relative. And so yeah, that's basically a statement
(22:38):
from the Book of Acts saying that all of humanity
came from Adam and Eve. All that genetic diversity to
create all these different people groups, every shade of humans
with different levels of melanin in their skin is what
causes you know, people to have light or darker in between,
you know, colored skin, all of colored skin. And so oh,
(23:00):
it's actually a somewhat complex trade because only six genes
are able to account for a thirty percent of the
variation in human skin color. So there's a lot of
complex genetics and pathways going on there. So so obviously
there's more than six genes to account for the other
seventy percent of the variation. So yeah, I mean there's
(23:23):
a lot of genetic diversity built into humans and it
all came from the original ancestral couple that that verse
you just quoted in Acts talks about all of that
genetic variation was built into Adam and Eve and where
we all came from one blood, all the kindreds and
tongues and nations, people groups on this.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Earth, and in eternity they will all be there as well.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, that's what's so wonderful is that.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
You know, we talked about the Tower of Babbel in
the previous podcast, how that was responsible for creating, you know,
all these different people groups that we see today. Because
after the global flood, everyone stayed in one place, they
spoke the same language. It looked like they tried to
recreate their pre flood pagan empire. They disobeyed God who
told them to spread out and go out into the
(24:12):
earth and repopulate it. They disobeyed, so God confused their languages.
And so you're only going to breed or marry someone
and have a family with whom you can communicate and
speak the same language. So all these languages were confused,
and it immediately caused all of these different subsets of
(24:32):
human genetics to go out across the earth, and that's
why we see all this diversity. But you know what
all these people meant for evil by disobeying God and
staying in one place, God meant it for good, because,
as you noted, we have that scripture in the Book
of Revelations which talks about people from every kindred tribe
(24:55):
and tongue and nation who have been redeemed by the
Lord Jesus Christ being in heaven and all together worshiping
God around his throne. All this human diversity.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Man, Yeah, well that's a solid ending. I want to
give you one more opportunity if you have any just
final thoughts or encouragements, or viewers or listeners, anything you
want to say.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, I would say, you know, go to the Bible
and go to Genesis, because that explains no humanity, explains
where all the people groups came from. Most importantly, it
explains where humans came from. They were created on the
sixth Day as the pinnacle of creation in God's image,
and of course that image has been marred by sin
because Adam and E fell into sin and plunged the
(25:44):
human race into depravity. And you know, this human wickedness
and depravity underlies much of this false scientific theory of
survival of the fittest and Darwinian evolution and the racism
that that is fostered by evolutionary theory. So you know,
go back to the Bible, go to Genesis, and in fact,
(26:06):
if we do that, we see that everything in Genesis
lines up with our current scientific knowledge.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Awesome, Well, thank you so much for being here. Thank
you for just offering your time and expertise to chat
about this very a vital topic. Seems to be a
more pressing topic every day, right, So thank you here.
You're welcome. It's been good, and thank you to all
of our viewers and listeners for joining us. We hope
(26:34):
that this was an encouraging podcast. We hope that you
were able to take away some of the the reasoning
behind where you know evolution leads inherently to racism. It's
it's in the creators, the creator of evolution, like he
talked about it, and it was it was a part
(26:54):
of it from the very beginning. So we hope that
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