August 18, 2025 • 15 mins
Caesar’s decree for a nationwide census couldn’t come at a worse time for Mary and Joseph. But perhaps this journey to Bethlehem is exactly what God planned all along.
Today's Bible verse is Matthew 16:24, from the King James Version.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If any one desires to come after me, let him
deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
Matthew sixteen twenty four. Dear Heavenly Father, as we celebrate
the birth of Jesus, remind us of the profound journey
he embarked upon for our sake, a journey that called
(00:23):
for sacrifice, selflessness, and enduring love. This Christmas, as we
exchange gifts and share and festivities, may we also remember
the greatest gift of all, Christ, who came not just
to be born in a manger, but to lay down
(00:44):
his life for us. Empower us with the same mind
and will of Christ, who set aside his comforts to
carry his cross. Show us every day how to follow
in the footsteps of Jesus, serving and loving those around us.
(01:06):
Thank you for the priceless gift of your son and
the invitation to follow him. Fill our hearts with gratitude,
love and true joy. This Christmas and the precious name
of Jesus, we pray Amen. Thank you for praying with
me today. Stay tuned now for another episode of Stories
(01:29):
of the Messiah with Rabbi Schneider.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The winds of Change swept across Israel with increasing fervor.
It was as if the very breath of God stirred
the dust between the Roman ruled province, whispering of a
tumult yet to unfold. Rebellion and discord, long smoldering in
the hearts of the oppressed Hebrews started to spark. A
group of rebels known as the Daggermen, grew by the day.
(02:02):
Some knew them by a different name, the Zealots. They
were men of tact, skill and secrecy. Fueled by Roman
hatred and a desire to usher in Israeli independence, they
assassinated some of Caesar's highest ranking officials. They were growing
in number and needed to be stopped. Caesar Augustus, ruling
(02:24):
from the heart of the Roman Empire, was not ignorant
of these Daggermen. His eyes, though distant, were sharp, and
his paranoia simmered alongside the rebellion. He had not risen
to power by being ignorant. In a move uncharacteristic of
Roman custom, he issued a decree, one that both revealed
his desperation for control and reflected his fear of the
(02:47):
burgeoning unrest. Each individual under Roman rule, from the richest
aristocrat to the poorish Shepherd was to be counted in
a census, but it was not to be an ordinary census. No,
this one bore the insidious mark of Caesar's paranoia. The
people were required to return to their ancestral homes, the
(03:07):
towns of their forefathers, to be registered and accounted for.
To execute this decree, Caesar dispatched Courineus, the stirred and
unwavering governor of Syria. We cannot stop these salates unless
we disorganize them, Caesar told Corineus. Therefore, we will force
(03:28):
every man to travel uproot them and their families. This
will make them vulnerable. Corineus agreed and immediately began preparations
to force the census upon the people of Israel.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Hello everyone, and welcome to another Christmas episode of the
Jesus Podcast. I'm Athan from pray dot Com. This episode
begins Mary and Joseph's journey to Bethlehem, a heroing journey
that will test their faith and stamp. It was prophesied
that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem, the birthplace
(04:06):
of David. For Jesus to be born in Bethlehem, God
had to use the geopolitical struggles of the time The
political landscape of Israel during this time was wrought with
civil unrest, corruption, and conspiracy. The harsh hand of Caesar
on the people of Israel caused many radical Jewish factions
(04:28):
to rise. One of the more infamous groups was the Daggermen,
also known as the Zealots. Simon, one of Jesus's twelve disciples,
was one of those men. This story speculates that they
might be the reason for the census. Although it is speculation,
historical clues suggest it's a possibility. Historians have wrestled with
(04:52):
the historical accuracy of Luke's account of the census, so
scholars are forced to speculate reasons why the census occur.
Our story today is speculation for the sake of storytelling,
but it isn't outside the realm of possibility. Rome's relationship
with the Jewish nation was complex and dysfunctional. They saw
(05:16):
Rome as another oppressive ruler like Babylon. As a result,
the Jews were riled up with a renewed prophetic passion
for the Messiah to come and deliver them. This was
the stage that was set for the coming of Jesus.
Even amid all the madness of culture, God was on
the move. We believe in a God who contained chaos
(05:39):
and bring beauty from ashes. As the Nativity story intensifies,
look for God's hidden hand of providence. Genesis chapter fifty,
verse twenty reminds us that what men intend for evil,
God can use for good. This census strained the Jewish people,
but God would use it to bring about their redemption.
(06:04):
Let's harp back into the story now. Joseph is about
to receive the news that he must uproot Mary in
her pregnancy's late stages. What will he do? How will
he respond when the pressure mounts. Let's find out now
in this dramatic telling of Luke chapter two, verses one
through five. Afterward, will unpack the story to find Christmas themes.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Corineus was not of beloved man. He cared very little
about being loved or admired. He wanted their fear. If
he could not gain their fear, their respect would be
a Consolationcarineus journeyed to every major city in Israel with
a battalion of soldiers. They flooded town squares, marketplaces, and
city gates with Caesar's demands.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
He, by order of Caesar Augustus, all men in their
families are to be registered for a census in the
city of their family lineage. Failure to reach will result
in punishment. This is the will of Rome.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
His voice, steely and unemotional, echoed through the streets and alleys,
leaving a chill in the hearts of those who heard it.
His soldiers nailed the decree onto the doorpost of every home.
Corineus's voice shouted through the city streets of Nazareth, where
Joseph was buying supplies for his workshop. The proclamation threw
him into a storm of uncertainty and worry. The house
(07:27):
of David Soseus lineage was traced back to Bethlehem. Joseph
approached one of the Roman soldiers. Sir, my wife is
nearly nine months pregnant. She can't make the journey to
Bethlehem in her condition. She'll the soldier shouted, shoving Joseph
to the ground. It's commanders from Caesar himself. If you
(07:49):
fail to obey, you will face the rod of Coarineus.
Joseph looked up at the soldier and then at Coarineus
on his dark horse. Joseph clenched his fist and looked away.
He knew better than to pick a fight, especially when
Mary was depending on him. The soldier spat at Joseph's
feet and walked away. Joseph picked up his tools and
(08:09):
went back home. He walked the dusty path to their
humble home, wondering how he would afford the journey to Bethlehem.
He entered through the door slowly. Mary was inside, weaving
together blankets for Jesus and humming lullabies. Her gentle and
quiet grace enraptured Joseph. His heart ached that he had
to uproot her from the comfort of their home. Mary,
(08:30):
he said gently. He knelt down beside her and held
her hand. A decree has come from Charinius. We have
to depart from here to Bethlehem for a senses. I
don't know why this has come now, but I swear
I will protect you and the child. We will find
a way to get there safely. Mary's eyes were fogged
with fear and anxiety.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
How Joseph, at best, it's a two week journey, and
all the carts for merchants will be used up.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Was rightfully concerned. The journey from Nazareth to Bethlehem was
not a straightforward journey. There were vast valleys and hills
to pass. Additionally, the frenzy of the census would been
banded stalking lone travelers. Joseph felt helpless. They didn't have
enough money to pay for a wagon to taxi them,
nor did they have a donkey for Mary to ride on.
(09:22):
Such things were out of reach for a humble craftsman
like Joseph. He didn't know how to proceed. Mary held
Joseph's face and pressed her forehead against his. They closed
their eyes and shared a somber moment of love and prayer.
Joseph stood up and wiped a tear from his eye.
I'll be back. I have to do something. Joseph grabbed
(09:44):
his tools and left. He rounded the alley beside his
home down to the market. There was no way Mary
could endure the road to Bethlehem in her condition. If
Joseph was going to keep her safe, he needed to
provide her with a donkey to ride on. The marketplace
was chaotic with people desperately haggling for supplies. Many people
had journeys to plan for. Joseph knocked on the door
(10:08):
of the blacksmith, who was a large and surly man,
uninterested in people and more interested in things. He Lord Joseph,
my boy, he said, with a raspy voice.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
If you are here to ask for another discount on materials,
I'm afraid you're out of luck.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Joseph placed his large leather bag of tools on the table.
I am here to sew you my tools. The blacksmith's
eyes widen. A craftsman like Joseph was only as valuable
as the tools he used. What is the meaning of this,
he asked. Joseph ignored the question, holding back any cues
that he was greatly distressed at the thought of selling
(10:46):
his livelihood. How much will you give me? The blacksmith
examined the tools, laying each out on the table next
to each other. He crossed his arms and stroked his beard.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Hmm, I could use many have of these and sol
the rest. I will give you two hundred denari for
it all four hundred if you'll do some work for
me after the census.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You have a deal, Joseph said. The two shook on it,
and Joseph was given the money he and Mary would
need for the journey. He took the denara and headed
straight for the city stables. There he brought a donkey
saddle and packs filled with enough food for a two
week journey. He also purchased a dagger to strap to
his side. Joseph sacrificed his livelihood to keep his wife safe.
(11:33):
Much would be required of him for the journey ahead,
but he knew that God would protect them.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Imagine setting forth on an eighty to ninety mile journey
on rugged terrain with Mary in the advanced stages of
her pregnancy. The trek from Nazareth in Galilee to Bethlehem
and Judea was neither short nor easy. It would have
demanded resilience, stamina, and a deep commitment. The concerns of
(12:00):
an expectant mother, the potential dangers of the journey, and
the uncertainties awaiting them in Bethlehem would have weighed heavily
on their minds. Joseph's role as Mary's protector, guide and
support cannot be understated. The sacrifice he made to ensure
Mary's safety was monumental, but he did so with the
knowledge that there was more to be gained in his
(12:22):
sacrifice than lost. That's an encouragement for all of us.
What we give up in pursuit of Christ pales in
comparison to what we gain. In the next few episodes,
we'll get to see Joseph and Mary's unwavering commitment to God.
Their dedication to each other and to the Lord is
a testament to their faith and obedience to God's call.
(12:47):
The reason for their journey, a decree from Caesar Augustus
for a census, speaks to the geopolitical realities of the time.
On the surface, this seems like a mere administrative move
by a vast empire, but in the grand tapestry of
God's design, it was a pivotal move to ensure the
fulfillment of prophecy that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
(13:12):
Look at Micah chapter five, verse two. This use of
a geopolitical event is a poignant reminder that God's redemption
plan is not isolated from the realities of our world.
He uses emperors, decrees, and worldly events to achieve his purposes.
This gives us hope, reminding us that no matter how
(13:36):
challenging or chaotic our world might seem, God is always
at work bringing his plans to fruition. As we reflect
on Mary and Joseph's journey to Bethlehem, let's consider the
sacrifices we're all called to make. Jesus says in Matthew
chapter sixteen, if anyone desires to come after me, let
(13:58):
him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
The path for Mary and Joseph is only going to
get more difficult. But just because things are hard doesn't
mean they aren't good. The Cross of Jesus showed us
that some of the greatest triumphs emerge from the ashes
(14:18):
of our greatest trials. When you face difficulty, think less
about how to minimize your suffering and think more about
maximizing the meaning you can glean in the midst of it.
This Christmas, let the Story of Luke chapter two, verses
one through five inspire us to have faith in the journey,
however difficult. Let us be reminded that God often uses
(14:43):
the intricate complexities of our world to unfold his divine
narrative in the midst of our challenges. May we find
comfort in knowing that God is orchestrating a redemption story,
not just on a global scale, but in our personal
lives as well. Our next few episodes will highlight the
(15:04):
intense difficulty Mary and Joseph faced on the journey to Bethlehem.
But even robbers, romans and raging waters can't thwart the
plans of God.
If any one desires to come after me, let him
deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
Matthew sixteen twenty four. Dear Heavenly Father, as we celebrate
the birth of Jesus, remind us of the profound journey
he embarked upon for our sake, a journey that called
(00:23):
for sacrifice, selflessness, and enduring love. This Christmas, as we
exchange gifts and share and festivities, may we also remember
the greatest gift of all, Christ, who came not just
to be born in a manger, but to lay down
(00:44):
his life for us. Empower us with the same mind
and will of Christ, who set aside his comforts to
carry his cross. Show us every day how to follow
in the footsteps of Jesus, serving and loving those around us.
(01:06):
Thank you for the priceless gift of your son and
the invitation to follow him. Fill our hearts with gratitude,
love and true joy. This Christmas and the precious name
of Jesus, we pray Amen. Thank you for praying with
me today. Stay tuned now for another episode of Stories
(01:29):
of the Messiah with Rabbi Schneider.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The winds of Change swept across Israel with increasing fervor.
It was as if the very breath of God stirred
the dust between the Roman ruled province, whispering of a
tumult yet to unfold. Rebellion and discord, long smoldering in
the hearts of the oppressed Hebrews started to spark. A
group of rebels known as the Daggermen, grew by the day.
(02:02):
Some knew them by a different name, the Zealots. They
were men of tact, skill and secrecy. Fueled by Roman
hatred and a desire to usher in Israeli independence, they
assassinated some of Caesar's highest ranking officials. They were growing
in number and needed to be stopped. Caesar Augustus, ruling
(02:24):
from the heart of the Roman Empire, was not ignorant
of these Daggermen. His eyes, though distant, were sharp, and
his paranoia simmered alongside the rebellion. He had not risen
to power by being ignorant. In a move uncharacteristic of
Roman custom, he issued a decree, one that both revealed
his desperation for control and reflected his fear of the
(02:47):
burgeoning unrest. Each individual under Roman rule, from the richest
aristocrat to the poorish Shepherd was to be counted in
a census, but it was not to be an ordinary census. No,
this one bore the insidious mark of Caesar's paranoia. The
people were required to return to their ancestral homes, the
(03:07):
towns of their forefathers, to be registered and accounted for.
To execute this decree, Caesar dispatched Courineus, the stirred and
unwavering governor of Syria. We cannot stop these salates unless
we disorganize them, Caesar told Corineus. Therefore, we will force
(03:28):
every man to travel uproot them and their families. This
will make them vulnerable. Corineus agreed and immediately began preparations
to force the census upon the people of Israel.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Hello everyone, and welcome to another Christmas episode of the
Jesus Podcast. I'm Athan from pray dot Com. This episode
begins Mary and Joseph's journey to Bethlehem, a heroing journey
that will test their faith and stamp. It was prophesied
that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem, the birthplace
(04:06):
of David. For Jesus to be born in Bethlehem, God
had to use the geopolitical struggles of the time The
political landscape of Israel during this time was wrought with
civil unrest, corruption, and conspiracy. The harsh hand of Caesar
on the people of Israel caused many radical Jewish factions
(04:28):
to rise. One of the more infamous groups was the Daggermen,
also known as the Zealots. Simon, one of Jesus's twelve disciples,
was one of those men. This story speculates that they
might be the reason for the census. Although it is speculation,
historical clues suggest it's a possibility. Historians have wrestled with
(04:52):
the historical accuracy of Luke's account of the census, so
scholars are forced to speculate reasons why the census occur.
Our story today is speculation for the sake of storytelling,
but it isn't outside the realm of possibility. Rome's relationship
with the Jewish nation was complex and dysfunctional. They saw
(05:16):
Rome as another oppressive ruler like Babylon. As a result,
the Jews were riled up with a renewed prophetic passion
for the Messiah to come and deliver them. This was
the stage that was set for the coming of Jesus.
Even amid all the madness of culture, God was on
the move. We believe in a God who contained chaos
(05:39):
and bring beauty from ashes. As the Nativity story intensifies,
look for God's hidden hand of providence. Genesis chapter fifty,
verse twenty reminds us that what men intend for evil,
God can use for good. This census strained the Jewish people,
but God would use it to bring about their redemption.
(06:04):
Let's harp back into the story now. Joseph is about
to receive the news that he must uproot Mary in
her pregnancy's late stages. What will he do? How will
he respond when the pressure mounts. Let's find out now
in this dramatic telling of Luke chapter two, verses one
through five. Afterward, will unpack the story to find Christmas themes.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Corineus was not of beloved man. He cared very little
about being loved or admired. He wanted their fear. If
he could not gain their fear, their respect would be
a Consolationcarineus journeyed to every major city in Israel with
a battalion of soldiers. They flooded town squares, marketplaces, and
city gates with Caesar's demands.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
He, by order of Caesar Augustus, all men in their
families are to be registered for a census in the
city of their family lineage. Failure to reach will result
in punishment. This is the will of Rome.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
His voice, steely and unemotional, echoed through the streets and alleys,
leaving a chill in the hearts of those who heard it.
His soldiers nailed the decree onto the doorpost of every home.
Corineus's voice shouted through the city streets of Nazareth, where
Joseph was buying supplies for his workshop. The proclamation threw
him into a storm of uncertainty and worry. The house
(07:27):
of David Soseus lineage was traced back to Bethlehem. Joseph
approached one of the Roman soldiers. Sir, my wife is
nearly nine months pregnant. She can't make the journey to
Bethlehem in her condition. She'll the soldier shouted, shoving Joseph
to the ground. It's commanders from Caesar himself. If you
(07:49):
fail to obey, you will face the rod of Coarineus.
Joseph looked up at the soldier and then at Coarineus
on his dark horse. Joseph clenched his fist and looked away.
He knew better than to pick a fight, especially when
Mary was depending on him. The soldier spat at Joseph's
feet and walked away. Joseph picked up his tools and
(08:09):
went back home. He walked the dusty path to their
humble home, wondering how he would afford the journey to Bethlehem.
He entered through the door slowly. Mary was inside, weaving
together blankets for Jesus and humming lullabies. Her gentle and
quiet grace enraptured Joseph. His heart ached that he had
to uproot her from the comfort of their home. Mary,
(08:30):
he said gently. He knelt down beside her and held
her hand. A decree has come from Charinius. We have
to depart from here to Bethlehem for a senses. I
don't know why this has come now, but I swear
I will protect you and the child. We will find
a way to get there safely. Mary's eyes were fogged
with fear and anxiety.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
How Joseph, at best, it's a two week journey, and
all the carts for merchants will be used up.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Was rightfully concerned. The journey from Nazareth to Bethlehem was
not a straightforward journey. There were vast valleys and hills
to pass. Additionally, the frenzy of the census would been
banded stalking lone travelers. Joseph felt helpless. They didn't have
enough money to pay for a wagon to taxi them,
nor did they have a donkey for Mary to ride on.
(09:22):
Such things were out of reach for a humble craftsman
like Joseph. He didn't know how to proceed. Mary held
Joseph's face and pressed her forehead against his. They closed
their eyes and shared a somber moment of love and prayer.
Joseph stood up and wiped a tear from his eye.
I'll be back. I have to do something. Joseph grabbed
(09:44):
his tools and left. He rounded the alley beside his
home down to the market. There was no way Mary
could endure the road to Bethlehem in her condition. If
Joseph was going to keep her safe, he needed to
provide her with a donkey to ride on. The marketplace
was chaotic with people desperately haggling for supplies. Many people
had journeys to plan for. Joseph knocked on the door
(10:08):
of the blacksmith, who was a large and surly man,
uninterested in people and more interested in things. He Lord Joseph,
my boy, he said, with a raspy voice.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
If you are here to ask for another discount on materials,
I'm afraid you're out of luck.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Joseph placed his large leather bag of tools on the table.
I am here to sew you my tools. The blacksmith's
eyes widen. A craftsman like Joseph was only as valuable
as the tools he used. What is the meaning of this,
he asked. Joseph ignored the question, holding back any cues
that he was greatly distressed at the thought of selling
(10:46):
his livelihood. How much will you give me? The blacksmith
examined the tools, laying each out on the table next
to each other. He crossed his arms and stroked his beard.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Hmm, I could use many have of these and sol
the rest. I will give you two hundred denari for
it all four hundred if you'll do some work for
me after the census.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You have a deal, Joseph said. The two shook on it,
and Joseph was given the money he and Mary would
need for the journey. He took the denara and headed
straight for the city stables. There he brought a donkey
saddle and packs filled with enough food for a two
week journey. He also purchased a dagger to strap to
his side. Joseph sacrificed his livelihood to keep his wife safe.
(11:33):
Much would be required of him for the journey ahead,
but he knew that God would protect them.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Imagine setting forth on an eighty to ninety mile journey
on rugged terrain with Mary in the advanced stages of
her pregnancy. The trek from Nazareth in Galilee to Bethlehem
and Judea was neither short nor easy. It would have
demanded resilience, stamina, and a deep commitment. The concerns of
(12:00):
an expectant mother, the potential dangers of the journey, and
the uncertainties awaiting them in Bethlehem would have weighed heavily
on their minds. Joseph's role as Mary's protector, guide and
support cannot be understated. The sacrifice he made to ensure
Mary's safety was monumental, but he did so with the
knowledge that there was more to be gained in his
(12:22):
sacrifice than lost. That's an encouragement for all of us.
What we give up in pursuit of Christ pales in
comparison to what we gain. In the next few episodes,
we'll get to see Joseph and Mary's unwavering commitment to God.
Their dedication to each other and to the Lord is
a testament to their faith and obedience to God's call.
(12:47):
The reason for their journey, a decree from Caesar Augustus
for a census, speaks to the geopolitical realities of the time.
On the surface, this seems like a mere administrative move
by a vast empire, but in the grand tapestry of
God's design, it was a pivotal move to ensure the
fulfillment of prophecy that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
(13:12):
Look at Micah chapter five, verse two. This use of
a geopolitical event is a poignant reminder that God's redemption
plan is not isolated from the realities of our world.
He uses emperors, decrees, and worldly events to achieve his purposes.
This gives us hope, reminding us that no matter how
(13:36):
challenging or chaotic our world might seem, God is always
at work bringing his plans to fruition. As we reflect
on Mary and Joseph's journey to Bethlehem, let's consider the
sacrifices we're all called to make. Jesus says in Matthew
chapter sixteen, if anyone desires to come after me, let
(13:58):
him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
The path for Mary and Joseph is only going to
get more difficult. But just because things are hard doesn't
mean they aren't good. The Cross of Jesus showed us
that some of the greatest triumphs emerge from the ashes
(14:18):
of our greatest trials. When you face difficulty, think less
about how to minimize your suffering and think more about
maximizing the meaning you can glean in the midst of it.
This Christmas, let the Story of Luke chapter two, verses
one through five inspire us to have faith in the journey,
however difficult. Let us be reminded that God often uses
(14:43):
the intricate complexities of our world to unfold his divine
narrative in the midst of our challenges. May we find
comfort in knowing that God is orchestrating a redemption story,
not just on a global scale, but in our personal
lives as well. Our next few episodes will highlight the
(15:04):
intense difficulty Mary and Joseph faced on the journey to Bethlehem.
But even robbers, romans and raging waters can't thwart the
plans of God.
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