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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to Focus today. I'm your host, Perry Atkinson, and of course,
often reminded of the scripture, says seek first the Kingdom
of God, and then all these other things will be
added to you. And I've been so looking forward to
this special guest today. Charlie Lewis is with us. He's
a seasoned businessman, military pilot, Vietnam veteran, and author of
(00:29):
more than a dozen books, including The Kingdom System. We're
going to talk to him about that the correct choice
to alternative systems of the world. He's the founder of
a national insurance business and has traveled to over sixty
countries sharing his life changing message of God's Kingdom. He
teaches his teachings, i should say, have been translated into
(00:51):
multiple languages to reach people literally all over the world.
And he does have a website KSAM dot net, k
s a m dot net and there's a picture of
the lending page. Charlie, good to see. How are you friend, fine?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
How are you Erry? Thanks?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Thank you for your time. I've been looking forward to
having you a lot to talk about here, just maybe
basically to help us get going. How would you describe
Kingdom system?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, the government of Heaven delivered to the Earth and
God's plan for governance for humanity.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And you've written quite a few series on this. You
got the system, You've got kingdom nomics, kingdom development, and
how do you go about teaching us to apply this?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well? The kingdom system I learned the Holy Experience taught
me this through business. This wasn't something I learned at
church or in any kind of training outside. Through business.
(02:08):
I was in a business and had was doing a
particular project on a historical property and it was going amazing.
We're having fantastic results. The Lord just miraculously opened the
doors and made this possible. And we were doing really
good and had over five thousand articles on the Internet
(02:32):
and still developing this fifty acres with over forty buildings,
and everything was going just amazingly. And then all of
a sudden, it was like the door closed. Things started
being challenging, and I'm saying, Lord, what's going on here?
(02:53):
Because this wasn't one of my dreams, This wasn't a
goal where an aspiration I had. I believe you led
me here, and so what happened? Why is this all
of a sudden happening? And so I began to really
seek and to ask the Lord what was going on
and what I needed to know out of this. So
(03:14):
the Lord led me to read everything that he said
when he was on the earth and the person of
Jesus Christ Emanuel God with us. So I read everything
that he said, and it really was surprising because it
taught me a different perspective than I'd had in the past.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
How in the world you describe the revelation of a
new perspective?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, I believe very that that's pretty evident in scripture,
but I've read it so many times and I really
didn't get it. When I read that, I was talking
with the Lord in my spirit and said, Lord, I
was really surprised because you didn't teach most of the
(04:03):
things that I was taught that I've been taught in
church when you were on the earth. What you really taught,
the central theme and the primary message that you delivered
to humanity was the Kingdom of God. In fact, you
mentioned it more than one hundred and twenty five times,
(04:23):
and the Accelestea you mentioned only three times. So I said, Okay,
if that's that important to you, then it should be
that important to me. So not knowing what the kingdom was,
I began a concentrated study of trying to get that
revelation and understand what God was saying, and that led
(04:47):
me to the understanding of the kingdom's system. The reason,
one of the reasons that made it important was in
Matthew sixth where he said, seek first the kingdom. And
I believe anywhere that kingdom is using a scripture, you
can substitute government, because that's exactly and Daniel two. When
(05:08):
Daniel was interpreting Nevacan Ezra's vision, he described these successive kingdoms.
And I really, I'm not a theologian and I'm not
someone who's trying to know everything about scripture. I just
(05:29):
wanted to know what God was leading me to know.
And so I realized what he was saying was that
these successive kingdoms he wanted Nevacan answer to know about
the Babylonians, the Meds, the Persians, the Greeks, and then
the Romans. So those were all governments who were on
(05:50):
the earth, who occupied territory, and who had dominion and
rule on the earth. And as I read that, and
that came to me, I said, what are you telling me?
Are you telling me that your kingdom is the government
of Heaven delivered to the earth, and I have access
to that on the earth. Well, immediately he took me
to Isaiah nine, where he said, when Messiah comes that
(06:13):
the government will be upon his shoulders, And I said, wow,
I felt like that was game changing. I felt like
that was a different understanding that I'd had that in business,
I had had a measure of successment, success and failure.
And if I had understood the kingdom and understood the
(06:35):
authority that was there in my ability to engage it
on the earth and draw Heaven through the earth, then
that would have changed my outcomes.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So back to what started all this, How did you,
through your studies recover your project? How did it change
your approach to your project that all of a sudden
found the brakes on.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well in that scripture in Matthew sixth where he said
seek first, in other words, make it your priority and
your first consideration in everything. He didn't give any limits
to that. He didn't say in church, or in religious things,
or in any other thing. He said, in all things,
(07:20):
everything you do. He said, seek my kingdom, my government,
my rule. And then he said something else that I
had never really separated. It had always put it together.
He said, and my righteousness, and in some translations it
says my way of doing and being right. So that
(07:42):
really was a light that went off for me, because
what Jesus would saying, seek my government and my rule,
my system, and my paradigm, my way, my kingdom, paradigm
of doing and being right. A paradigm is the idea,
is the assumptions and the beliefs that we accept that
(08:04):
form our understanding of our world and how it operates,
and everything that we do. From that becomes the prism
that we view everything in our life. So what I
began to understand was I entered the kingdom and I
had access. I became a citizen of heaven and had
(08:26):
all access to all that was in heaven. But I
didn't understand the paradigm shift. And I was trying to
do kingdom work by engaging the systems of the world,
and it just didn't work. It won't work. You have
to follow the instructions of seek the government and my
(08:47):
kingdom paradigse Well. I tried the religious paradigm that didn't work,
and I tried the church paradigm, and that didn't work.
When I studied Perry, I looked and it was obvious.
When God was on the earth as Jesus Christ, he
didn't follow the culture paradigm. He didn't follow the religious paradigm,
(09:09):
and he didn't follow the church paradigm. He followed the
kingdom paradigm. And the scripture where he was talking to
his disciples about the shrew servant and saying that he
was wiser in his ways than we are in ours.
What I believe the Holy Spirit was saying to us
was he knows how to operate within his system. He
(09:33):
knows how to engage the world and cause it to
act on his behalf. I have provided a system that
is there for you, and you can engage it, and
you can impact, and you can direct your situation circumstances
and outcomes and go to the outcomes that I have
created you to want to follow.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
One of the obvious things, Charlie that comes out of
this is the contrast between the Kingdom of God and
the modern systems of the world today. That's a huge contrast.
And the world system is ever changing, especially if you
add digital life to it and everything else.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Kind of scary sometimes, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It? Is. It is and.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Fast, and they're entering new dimensions that we've never heard of,
I mean AI and so much of the technology that
we are seeing in our world today, it can be overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Some have said that the word kingdom means rule and rain.
Would you agree with that.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I believe that's accurate to a point. Yeah, I really do.
The government of Heaven delivered to the Earth for humanity
to engage in for the successful living of our life.
That's what the kingdom is.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So how did you reapproach your project that stopped?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Well, I began to realize that there was a different
paradigm and a different way of looking and considering things.
One of the interesting things was when I was in
the middle of this massive project and it was a
(11:27):
hospitality project, and nine to eleven happened. Then all of
that shut down. So for almost two years we were
getting guests from over one hundred and thirty countries and
all of that stopped. They couldn't fly, they couldn't get here,
and then all the restrictions that went with that. So
(11:49):
I was actually in that business giving back for a year,
over a year more than I was taking in. But
I began to understand and quite honestly, I'm not sure
it was a willing understanding. I was being forced to
understand that I had a different source and a different
(12:13):
supply and I could look to There were times that
I would be in this business and I had a
situation where I needed one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand
dollars and I didn't see it coming from the system
because I was sending back. But I would just believe
God and pray and say, Okay, Lord, you know the need,
(12:35):
and I'm trusting you. You're my provision, And miraculously, I
never one time had a situation where everything wasn't met
and met the way it was supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
One other quick questions, Charlie before I take a break,
how did you as you discovered and is God revealing
to you the kingdom system so contrary to the culture.
How did you manage free will in the middle of this.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Well, I believe everything that our God created and design
operates by free will. I know. I think we have
to realize in our relationship with the Lord that the
essayity of God, he doesn't need us Ball telling the Athenians,
(13:32):
he said, there's not a thing that we mortals can
supply for him, and you begin to realize that God's
choice to love us and to include us and to
bring us to the relationship with him was chosen love.
It wasn't something he had to do, it wasn't something
that he needed. But because he is loved and because
(13:55):
he loved us, he chose, just like his time on
the earth and the resurrection codified forever who he was
and who he is and who we are to him
because of the sacrifice he fai. But it was a
chosen love. And that's what God wants from us. That's
(14:16):
why we have free will, because we have to be
able to choose, to have an option, and to choose
the right choice. And that's what the Kingdom System is.
The right choice.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Well said. All right, let me take a quick break here,
let me shoot our viewers and listeners. Charlie has a
website which also features all of his books. Ksa m
dot net and there you'll find the Kingdom Systems, Kingdom System,
Kingdom Nomics, Kingdom Development. We'll talk more about that when
we come back. We'll be right back, okay, welcome back,
(15:03):
and just so delighted to have with us. Been looking
forward to talking to Charlie. Lewis a seasoned businessman. He's
a veteran Vietnam veteran military pilot. He's got a series
of books called the Kingdom Series and deals with the
Kingdom system, the Kingdom nomics, Kingdom development. And you can
go to k N excuse me, k s a M
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dot net and check that out and there's this picture
of his landing page. We're dealing with seek first the
Kingdom and then all the other things will be added. Charlie,
how did you as you pursued this and God begins
to reveal to you the difference between his kingdom, his
ruin reign versus the kingdoms versus the systems that were
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left to do business in called the culture of the world.
How did you after you discovered this paradigm shift? How
did you view ownership, ownership of your business, ownership of
your things, ownership of your dreams and outcomes? How do
you view that?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well? Perry that I have been fortunate to know some
amazing giants in the Kingdom of God and to have
a relationship with them, and I learned from watching them
that some of the things they said had one who
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in particular, who said I don't really enjoy much going
to church anymore because it's just not fulfilling, doesn't do
what I needed to do. So I was praying about
that and I said, Lord, these are good people, these
are giants in your kingdom, and they don't enjoy church.
(16:50):
What's the deal? And the Lord said Charlie. He said,
humanity from the beginning has been looking for a kingdom church.
And the challenge is most organized religion today is forming
a church kingdom and not a kingdom church. And I said, well,
(17:13):
let's take that to all of the mountains of influence.
Like my business, I don't want to have a business kingdom.
What I want to have is a kingdom business. So
what I have to do is then understand your way
of doing and being right. And in this paradigm there
are things that are totally different. I experience things in business,
(17:38):
and I really have gone through some of the many
depressions and recessions and things, and I just made the
decision I wasn't going to participate in them. I was
going to see his way of doing, his thoughts, his paradigm,
and in every time when the world seems to be struggling,
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God has blessed us and caused us to be able
to prosper because we do it different. I will give
you an example one of the paradigms that we talk
about in kingdom nomics. The Lord was teaching me about
giving and I said, okay, Lord, I've probably heard a
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lot of servants on giving. What could you What can
I know that's different? He said, Charlie, giving comes before receiving.
He said, so in the Kingdom, you give and then
you receive. And he said something that was pretty staggering
(18:42):
to me. He said, in fact, if your earning plan
is not to fulfill your giving plan, then you're operating
in the wrong kingdom. So I had to change my
whole way of thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
That is stunning. That's not easily. That's not easily done
when you're an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
No, it isn't. But you can do it. My family
I have all worked with us in our business because
we're a national business. But many years ago, probably more
than twenty five years now, I began the Lord led
me in Thanksgiving. Right around Thanksgiving, I began writing a
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plan for the next year and extended out two, three
five years. However, the Lord leads but I list everything
about us, our health, all of our assets, our airplanes,
and everything that we have. I listed out and I asked, God,
what is your plan for me with this this year?
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And I say, and how can I use this in
your kingdom to get Because so often we believe that
giving only relates to money, But I I believe that
giving is the transference of wealth. I believe your wealth
can be a lot of things besides money. And when
you write it out, it takes me usually till sometime
(20:14):
after the first of the year. And quite honestly, I
have a pattern that I follow and it'll end up
being forty to fifty pages of type information on my
giving plan and how my earning plan is related to that.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Okay, boy, I could talk to you for a week here,
but let me just poke it. A few other areas,
One is I can't figure out any other way to
ask the question. But is thinking knowing that you are
now working from a kingdom paradigm God's kingdom paradigm? Is
giving like a budget item in your in your thinking.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Absolutely, but if you can look at it for from
that perspective. But you know, there's so much teaching on
tithe and I've had people say, oh, tithing was before
tithing was? Do I tithe on before taxes or after taxes?
And all of those things. And to me, that's looking
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at it from a worldly perspective and not from an
ingom perspective. Because all friend and I have been married
over fifty eight years this year, and when I came
back from Vietnam and began working in a small church
in Florida where the Lord had led us, we began
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really that's when we began our giving. And never were
we concerned about a tithe or ten percent. Most of
the time we gave twenty to thirty percent because it
was our pleasure to give. And what we also found
out is that we couldn't outgive God. Everything we gave,
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He multiplied. You see, steed in a storehouse doesn't do anything.
It's where you put it in the ground and you
plant it. Then God is into increase. So if I
if I have seed, or if I have the ability
to give, uh, I don't want to hoard that. I
want to use it in the kingdom. So the more
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I can give, the happier I am. Journey.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
How I'm going to run out of time here, so
I'll get you back. But how did you guard your
heart in giving not to get?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well? You know that the Lord said a lot about
that in Matthew six. He said, if you do it
for the wrong motive, then the rewards you get on
earth is the only reward you get. You don't have
a gift in that. But and I realized that my
goal and my perspective came from a different perspective. One
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of the pair, probably the most dominant paradigm in the
Kingdom that somehow we miss is eternity. You see, the
Lord said in Ecclesiastes three, he said he made everything
beautiful in time, but he also planted eternity in our
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spirits and in our minds as an implanted sense of purpose.
Why we're here working through the ages. That's time and
nothing under the sun, but God along can satisfy. So
I've never really had to separate that because I just
from the beginning, I listened to God and I said, okay,
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what do you want me to do? Because He also
told me in my giving plan, Perry, he said, if
you can do it without me, it's really not me.
So I have to see beyond the things that are
seen and believe God that his increase will make me
able to do what He desires for me to do.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
You're fascinating. What do you want people to get from
your series of books?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
God has an amazing plan for your life. The God
who created heaven and earth and made this place so
magnificent wouldn't leave us as pawns in the hand of
the enemy. But he has provided a system that we
can engage. Now. Kingdom knowmics talks about how it works,
how you make this system work for you, and then
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Kingdom Deployment tells how it fits into God's plan and
into your life. I believe the system that God has
always used to teach humanity is we get knowledge and
then we Knowledge without wisdom doesn't profit us a lot.
So when we get the knowledge of the Kingdom system,
how do we make it work. It's not religious, we've said,
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and it's not a churchy. It is a design, a
component of our creator. And then how all that fits
in to God's plan for humanity. He's got an amazing
plan and He's provided so wonderfully for all of us,
and it is his pleasure to give us the Kingdom
and to allow us to be in a relationship with
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him that is overcoming everything we can accomplish in the earth. Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
All right, to our listeners and viewers, you can go
to ksamt net. That's Charlie's website. Check out all of
his books, The Kingdom System, Kingdom Nomics, Kingdom Deployment. I
think you'll find this to be a fascinating and very
beneficial series to go through. Charlie, you're fascinating. Can we
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get you back sometime?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
We'd love to thank you for the offers andity today, Perry.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Thank you, God, bless your friends, stay in touch.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Thank you you too.
Welcome to Focus today. I'm your host, Perry Atkinson, and of course,
often reminded of the scripture, says seek first the Kingdom
of God, and then all these other things will be
added to you. And I've been so looking forward to
this special guest today. Charlie Lewis is with us. He's
a seasoned businessman, military pilot, Vietnam veteran, and author of
(00:29):
more than a dozen books, including The Kingdom System. We're
going to talk to him about that the correct choice
to alternative systems of the world. He's the founder of
a national insurance business and has traveled to over sixty
countries sharing his life changing message of God's Kingdom. He
teaches his teachings, i should say, have been translated into
(00:51):
multiple languages to reach people literally all over the world.
And he does have a website KSAM dot net, k
s a m dot net and there's a picture of
the lending page. Charlie, good to see. How are you friend, fine?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
How are you Erry? Thanks?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Thank you for your time. I've been looking forward to
having you a lot to talk about here, just maybe
basically to help us get going. How would you describe
Kingdom system?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, the government of Heaven delivered to the Earth and
God's plan for governance for humanity.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And you've written quite a few series on this. You
got the system, You've got kingdom nomics, kingdom development, and
how do you go about teaching us to apply this?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well? The kingdom system I learned the Holy Experience taught
me this through business. This wasn't something I learned at
church or in any kind of training outside. Through business.
(02:08):
I was in a business and had was doing a
particular project on a historical property and it was going amazing.
We're having fantastic results. The Lord just miraculously opened the
doors and made this possible. And we were doing really
good and had over five thousand articles on the Internet
(02:32):
and still developing this fifty acres with over forty buildings,
and everything was going just amazingly. And then all of
a sudden, it was like the door closed. Things started
being challenging, and I'm saying, Lord, what's going on here?
(02:53):
Because this wasn't one of my dreams, This wasn't a
goal where an aspiration I had. I believe you led
me here, and so what happened? Why is this all
of a sudden happening? And so I began to really
seek and to ask the Lord what was going on
and what I needed to know out of this. So
(03:14):
the Lord led me to read everything that he said
when he was on the earth and the person of
Jesus Christ Emanuel God with us. So I read everything
that he said, and it really was surprising because it
taught me a different perspective than I'd had in the past.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
How in the world you describe the revelation of a
new perspective?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, I believe very that that's pretty evident in scripture,
but I've read it so many times and I really
didn't get it. When I read that, I was talking
with the Lord in my spirit and said, Lord, I
was really surprised because you didn't teach most of the
(04:03):
things that I was taught that I've been taught in
church when you were on the earth. What you really taught,
the central theme and the primary message that you delivered
to humanity was the Kingdom of God. In fact, you
mentioned it more than one hundred and twenty five times,
(04:23):
and the Accelestea you mentioned only three times. So I said, Okay,
if that's that important to you, then it should be
that important to me. So not knowing what the kingdom was,
I began a concentrated study of trying to get that
revelation and understand what God was saying, and that led
(04:47):
me to the understanding of the kingdom's system. The reason,
one of the reasons that made it important was in
Matthew sixth where he said, seek first the kingdom. And
I believe anywhere that kingdom is using a scripture, you
can substitute government, because that's exactly and Daniel two. When
(05:08):
Daniel was interpreting Nevacan Ezra's vision, he described these successive kingdoms.
And I really, I'm not a theologian and I'm not
someone who's trying to know everything about scripture. I just
(05:29):
wanted to know what God was leading me to know.
And so I realized what he was saying was that
these successive kingdoms he wanted Nevacan answer to know about
the Babylonians, the Meds, the Persians, the Greeks, and then
the Romans. So those were all governments who were on
(05:50):
the earth, who occupied territory, and who had dominion and
rule on the earth. And as I read that, and
that came to me, I said, what are you telling me?
Are you telling me that your kingdom is the government
of Heaven delivered to the earth, and I have access
to that on the earth. Well, immediately he took me
to Isaiah nine, where he said, when Messiah comes that
(06:13):
the government will be upon his shoulders, And I said, wow,
I felt like that was game changing. I felt like
that was a different understanding that I'd had that in business,
I had had a measure of successment, success and failure.
And if I had understood the kingdom and understood the
(06:35):
authority that was there in my ability to engage it
on the earth and draw Heaven through the earth, then
that would have changed my outcomes.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So back to what started all this, How did you,
through your studies recover your project? How did it change
your approach to your project that all of a sudden
found the brakes on.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well in that scripture in Matthew sixth where he said
seek first, in other words, make it your priority and
your first consideration in everything. He didn't give any limits
to that. He didn't say in church, or in religious things,
or in any other thing. He said, in all things,
(07:20):
everything you do. He said, seek my kingdom, my government,
my rule. And then he said something else that I
had never really separated. It had always put it together.
He said, and my righteousness, and in some translations it
says my way of doing and being right. So that
(07:42):
really was a light that went off for me, because
what Jesus would saying, seek my government and my rule,
my system, and my paradigm, my way, my kingdom, paradigm
of doing and being right. A paradigm is the idea,
is the assumptions and the beliefs that we accept that
(08:04):
form our understanding of our world and how it operates,
and everything that we do. From that becomes the prism
that we view everything in our life. So what I
began to understand was I entered the kingdom and I
had access. I became a citizen of heaven and had
(08:26):
all access to all that was in heaven. But I
didn't understand the paradigm shift. And I was trying to
do kingdom work by engaging the systems of the world,
and it just didn't work. It won't work. You have
to follow the instructions of seek the government and my
(08:47):
kingdom paradigse Well. I tried the religious paradigm that didn't work,
and I tried the church paradigm, and that didn't work.
When I studied Perry, I looked and it was obvious.
When God was on the earth as Jesus Christ, he
didn't follow the culture paradigm. He didn't follow the religious paradigm,
(09:09):
and he didn't follow the church paradigm. He followed the
kingdom paradigm. And the scripture where he was talking to
his disciples about the shrew servant and saying that he
was wiser in his ways than we are in ours.
What I believe the Holy Spirit was saying to us
was he knows how to operate within his system. He
(09:33):
knows how to engage the world and cause it to
act on his behalf. I have provided a system that
is there for you, and you can engage it, and
you can impact, and you can direct your situation circumstances
and outcomes and go to the outcomes that I have
created you to want to follow.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
One of the obvious things, Charlie that comes out of
this is the contrast between the Kingdom of God and
the modern systems of the world today. That's a huge contrast.
And the world system is ever changing, especially if you
add digital life to it and everything else.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Kind of scary sometimes, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It? Is. It is and.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Fast, and they're entering new dimensions that we've never heard of,
I mean AI and so much of the technology that
we are seeing in our world today, it can be overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Some have said that the word kingdom means rule and rain.
Would you agree with that.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I believe that's accurate to a point. Yeah, I really do.
The government of Heaven delivered to the Earth for humanity
to engage in for the successful living of our life.
That's what the kingdom is.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So how did you reapproach your project that stopped?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Well, I began to realize that there was a different
paradigm and a different way of looking and considering things.
One of the interesting things was when I was in
the middle of this massive project and it was a
(11:27):
hospitality project, and nine to eleven happened. Then all of
that shut down. So for almost two years we were
getting guests from over one hundred and thirty countries and
all of that stopped. They couldn't fly, they couldn't get here,
and then all the restrictions that went with that. So
(11:49):
I was actually in that business giving back for a year,
over a year more than I was taking in. But
I began to understand and quite honestly, I'm not sure
it was a willing understanding. I was being forced to
understand that I had a different source and a different
(12:13):
supply and I could look to There were times that
I would be in this business and I had a
situation where I needed one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand
dollars and I didn't see it coming from the system
because I was sending back. But I would just believe
God and pray and say, Okay, Lord, you know the need,
(12:35):
and I'm trusting you. You're my provision, And miraculously, I
never one time had a situation where everything wasn't met
and met the way it was supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
One other quick questions, Charlie before I take a break,
how did you as you discovered and is God revealing
to you the kingdom system so contrary to the culture.
How did you manage free will in the middle of this.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Well, I believe everything that our God created and design
operates by free will. I know. I think we have
to realize in our relationship with the Lord that the
essayity of God, he doesn't need us Ball telling the Athenians,
(13:32):
he said, there's not a thing that we mortals can
supply for him, and you begin to realize that God's
choice to love us and to include us and to
bring us to the relationship with him was chosen love.
It wasn't something he had to do, it wasn't something
that he needed. But because he is loved and because
(13:55):
he loved us, he chose, just like his time on
the earth and the resurrection codified forever who he was
and who he is and who we are to him
because of the sacrifice he fai. But it was a
chosen love. And that's what God wants from us. That's
(14:16):
why we have free will, because we have to be
able to choose, to have an option, and to choose
the right choice. And that's what the Kingdom System is.
The right choice.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Well said. All right, let me take a quick break here,
let me shoot our viewers and listeners. Charlie has a
website which also features all of his books. Ksa m
dot net and there you'll find the Kingdom Systems, Kingdom System,
Kingdom Nomics, Kingdom Development. We'll talk more about that when
we come back. We'll be right back, okay, welcome back,
(15:03):
and just so delighted to have with us. Been looking
forward to talking to Charlie. Lewis a seasoned businessman. He's
a veteran Vietnam veteran military pilot. He's got a series
of books called the Kingdom Series and deals with the
Kingdom system, the Kingdom nomics, Kingdom development. And you can
go to k N excuse me, k s a M
(15:25):
dot net and check that out and there's this picture
of his landing page. We're dealing with seek first the
Kingdom and then all the other things will be added. Charlie,
how did you as you pursued this and God begins
to reveal to you the difference between his kingdom, his
ruin reign versus the kingdoms versus the systems that were
(15:51):
left to do business in called the culture of the world.
How did you after you discovered this paradigm shift? How
did you view ownership, ownership of your business, ownership of
your things, ownership of your dreams and outcomes? How do
you view that?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well? Perry that I have been fortunate to know some
amazing giants in the Kingdom of God and to have
a relationship with them, and I learned from watching them
that some of the things they said had one who
(16:28):
in particular, who said I don't really enjoy much going
to church anymore because it's just not fulfilling, doesn't do
what I needed to do. So I was praying about
that and I said, Lord, these are good people, these
are giants in your kingdom, and they don't enjoy church.
(16:50):
What's the deal? And the Lord said Charlie. He said,
humanity from the beginning has been looking for a kingdom church.
And the challenge is most organized religion today is forming
a church kingdom and not a kingdom church. And I said, well,
(17:13):
let's take that to all of the mountains of influence.
Like my business, I don't want to have a business kingdom.
What I want to have is a kingdom business. So
what I have to do is then understand your way
of doing and being right. And in this paradigm there
are things that are totally different. I experience things in business,
(17:38):
and I really have gone through some of the many
depressions and recessions and things, and I just made the
decision I wasn't going to participate in them. I was
going to see his way of doing, his thoughts, his paradigm,
and in every time when the world seems to be struggling,
(17:59):
God has blessed us and caused us to be able
to prosper because we do it different. I will give
you an example one of the paradigms that we talk
about in kingdom nomics. The Lord was teaching me about
giving and I said, okay, Lord, I've probably heard a
(18:22):
lot of servants on giving. What could you What can
I know that's different? He said, Charlie, giving comes before receiving.
He said, so in the Kingdom, you give and then
you receive. And he said something that was pretty staggering
(18:42):
to me. He said, in fact, if your earning plan
is not to fulfill your giving plan, then you're operating
in the wrong kingdom. So I had to change my
whole way of thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
That is stunning. That's not easily. That's not easily done
when you're an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
No, it isn't. But you can do it. My family
I have all worked with us in our business because
we're a national business. But many years ago, probably more
than twenty five years now, I began the Lord led
me in Thanksgiving. Right around Thanksgiving, I began writing a
(19:28):
plan for the next year and extended out two, three
five years. However, the Lord leads but I list everything
about us, our health, all of our assets, our airplanes,
and everything that we have. I listed out and I asked, God,
what is your plan for me with this this year?
(19:49):
And I say, and how can I use this in
your kingdom to get Because so often we believe that
giving only relates to money, But I I believe that
giving is the transference of wealth. I believe your wealth
can be a lot of things besides money. And when
you write it out, it takes me usually till sometime
(20:14):
after the first of the year. And quite honestly, I
have a pattern that I follow and it'll end up
being forty to fifty pages of type information on my
giving plan and how my earning plan is related to that.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Okay, boy, I could talk to you for a week here,
but let me just poke it. A few other areas,
One is I can't figure out any other way to
ask the question. But is thinking knowing that you are
now working from a kingdom paradigm God's kingdom paradigm? Is
giving like a budget item in your in your thinking.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Absolutely, but if you can look at it for from
that perspective. But you know, there's so much teaching on
tithe and I've had people say, oh, tithing was before
tithing was? Do I tithe on before taxes or after taxes?
And all of those things. And to me, that's looking
(21:18):
at it from a worldly perspective and not from an
ingom perspective. Because all friend and I have been married
over fifty eight years this year, and when I came
back from Vietnam and began working in a small church
in Florida where the Lord had led us, we began
(21:39):
really that's when we began our giving. And never were
we concerned about a tithe or ten percent. Most of
the time we gave twenty to thirty percent because it
was our pleasure to give. And what we also found
out is that we couldn't outgive God. Everything we gave,
(22:00):
He multiplied. You see, steed in a storehouse doesn't do anything.
It's where you put it in the ground and you
plant it. Then God is into increase. So if I
if I have seed, or if I have the ability
to give, uh, I don't want to hoard that. I
want to use it in the kingdom. So the more
(22:21):
I can give, the happier I am. Journey.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
How I'm going to run out of time here, so
I'll get you back. But how did you guard your
heart in giving not to get?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well? You know that the Lord said a lot about
that in Matthew six. He said, if you do it
for the wrong motive, then the rewards you get on
earth is the only reward you get. You don't have
a gift in that. But and I realized that my
goal and my perspective came from a different perspective. One
(22:57):
of the pair, probably the most dominant paradigm in the
Kingdom that somehow we miss is eternity. You see, the
Lord said in Ecclesiastes three, he said he made everything
beautiful in time, but he also planted eternity in our
(23:17):
spirits and in our minds as an implanted sense of purpose.
Why we're here working through the ages. That's time and
nothing under the sun, but God along can satisfy. So
I've never really had to separate that because I just
from the beginning, I listened to God and I said, okay,
(23:38):
what do you want me to do? Because He also
told me in my giving plan, Perry, he said, if
you can do it without me, it's really not me.
So I have to see beyond the things that are
seen and believe God that his increase will make me
able to do what He desires for me to do.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
You're fascinating. What do you want people to get from
your series of books?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
God has an amazing plan for your life. The God
who created heaven and earth and made this place so
magnificent wouldn't leave us as pawns in the hand of
the enemy. But he has provided a system that we
can engage. Now. Kingdom knowmics talks about how it works,
how you make this system work for you, and then
(24:28):
Kingdom Deployment tells how it fits into God's plan and
into your life. I believe the system that God has
always used to teach humanity is we get knowledge and
then we Knowledge without wisdom doesn't profit us a lot.
So when we get the knowledge of the Kingdom system,
how do we make it work. It's not religious, we've said,
(24:51):
and it's not a churchy. It is a design, a
component of our creator. And then how all that fits
in to God's plan for humanity. He's got an amazing
plan and He's provided so wonderfully for all of us,
and it is his pleasure to give us the Kingdom
and to allow us to be in a relationship with
(25:13):
him that is overcoming everything we can accomplish in the earth. Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
All right, to our listeners and viewers, you can go
to ksamt net. That's Charlie's website. Check out all of
his books, The Kingdom System, Kingdom Nomics, Kingdom Deployment. I
think you'll find this to be a fascinating and very
beneficial series to go through. Charlie, you're fascinating. Can we
(25:39):
get you back sometime?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
We'd love to thank you for the offers andity today, Perry.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Thank you, God, bless your friends, stay in touch.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Thank you you too.
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