January 18, 2021 • 46 mins
During this week's episode, I had the pleasure of speaking with a successful phone sex operator. She shares details about the requirements of becoming a phone sex operator, the amount to charge callers, and how her love for phone sex led her into this industry. Plus, she also shares how she makes money from selling her panties.
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Please keep in mind that all of my guests are anonymous.
So let's begin this week's episode. So I am super
excited about this week's episode I have been stalking my
guests for a while, and she finally responded to the kid.
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She is the jackie of all trades and I can't
wait for us to die more into her story as
a phone sex operator. So to my guests, how are
you feeling? I am super excited and thank you so
much for allowing me to be on your show. I
know I'm gonna love it here, Thick, But how has
the pandemic been treating you? Um? It's been okay, It's
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had it up and downs, you know. Um. I am
a service based in the service based industry, and my
business is more of a luxury, not necessarily a need,
So you know, it's it's been an interesting ride. Yeah,
I'm so over it. Um so before I've also been
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living under a rock? What is a false sex operator? Oh?
For those who have been living under a rock of phones?
Like I get paid to talk dirty for a living.
You know how when your boyfriends and your husband's are
deployed and the only thing you can do is talk
on the phone for those intimate moments. I get paid
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to do that. I'm curious would this be considered as
sex works? Because I feel like I really don't hear
about this my lot. Um, yes, this is definitely considered
sex work. Um, anything that you actually do in the
industry is considered sex work. If you are a cam doll,
which is you know, you get on camera and you're
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talking dirty to the guys that you're taking your top off,
that is considered sex work. If you are a virtual companion,
that's considered sex work. If you are a sugar baby.
You know, it all falls under the same realm of
sex work. So whatever the requirements to become one a
false sex operator, UM, you have to be eighteen twenty one,
depending on your area and your state laws. Um, you
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have you know, back in the day, you have to
have a landline. Now you can work from your mobile device,
which is fine. I work exclusive, exclusively from my mobile phone. UM,
I no longer use my landline anymore, and that allows
me the freedom to work anywhere, and I have worked
everywhere around the globe. You have to be willing to
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talk dirty, that's kind of the job. I get a
lot of women who come to me assist, but I
really don't feel like I should have to talk thirty
What is this? What are you here? Is it necessary?
Because I think I read somewhere that you don't have
to do it something. It is not necessary at all.
It's not a actual requirement. But that's also the job
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that you're in. You get what I'm saying. Um, you
can advertise and promote control for your own callers. I
prefer quirky collars. I like calls that are not traditional
phone sex, you know, so I advertise for the collars
that I want. That way, I'm not just sitting here
ooing and all on all day. But if I get
a client who comes on the line at minutes, of
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course I'm gonna do what I'm gonna you know, that's
what they're paying me for. So we're are some benefits. Oh.
One of the major benefits is you get to set
your own rates. There are girls that charge per minute.
There are girls that charge per minute. Most definitely a
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perk that, Um, you are your own boss. You know,
if your kid has a soccer game or get sick,
I don't have to call anybody, but hey, I need
to take the day off to take my kid to
the doctor. I don't have to report to anybody. I
work when I want to work. Being a phone sex
operator also allows me the freedom to work where I
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want to work. I'm not tied to a desk all day,
you know, with the pandemic and everybody working from home.
You know, for those of that that have been working
from home for years, it's no big deal. But for
the newly people who are now working for oh my gosh,
you know, I'm stuck in the house all day. I
hate it here. I want to go back to the office,
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you know, working from my phone everywhere, it's my office.
I feel like a lot of moms think that they
can't do this. Is that true? Oh not at all? Um. Well,
prior to the pandemic, of course, when your children were
in school, moms are home all day anyway, you can
definitely do this. Now with children being home and out
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of school doing virtual learning, you have to be a
little creative about how you do this, but you can
still do this. But for moms with younger talks um,
if you have them on a schedule, you can work
during their naptime, during their playtime. You know, you just
go out into the car, have your conversation, schedule your
callers for their naptime. That way, they're not in the
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background cutting up and acting up. Right, could you imagine. Um,
I also ready that you are a text operator. What
is that I get paid to text because I can't
always talk on the phone. For those of you who know,
I work in several different industries, so talking on the
phone isn't always an option for me. But UM, I
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am paid to text dirty as well. Which one do
you prefer? Um? I prefer to text only because I
get to multitask. You know, when I'm on a call,
they can hear me typing on the keyboard when I'm
doing other things, and I kind of get lost when
I'm on a call and I'm multitasking doing other things,
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and then I'm not as attentive. Uh huh, I'm sorry,
what was that? Oh? Yes, daddy right there? You know,
so that kind of throws off their mood or whatever.
But texting allows me to multitask and do other things
and work on other projects while I'm still securing the bag. Now.
I know that some people can set their own price,
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but is there like a standard price? But all who
are just beginning, UM, I would recommend that you don't
work for less than a dollar ninety nine per minutes
only because depending on the company that you work for,
there is a seventy thirty split, you get seventy, they
keep thirty. UM. So when you're thinking about it like that,
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you're not necessarily making any real money if you work
for less less than ninety nine cents. Now, how much
can someone make from being a phone sex operator? UM.
That depends on you and your hustle. UM. A lot
of girls don't make it ninety days in this industry
because they think that, oh, you know, I'm gonna be
a phone sex operator and I'm just going to make
all this money. While it is true that you can
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make a pretty penny, and I do mean a very
pretty penny, there's a lot of work. Number. UM, I'm
clearing about thirty five hundred to five KB month depending
on how much that works exactly, especially for me being
part time. Also if you was full time, damn exactly.
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So UM, I tell the girls you have to stick
to a schedule. You have to do your your homework,
your research. UM, get a niche specify, UM work in
a specific area. If you have big boobs, then play
to your strengths. UM. If you have a big ask
and you should be doing the ass worshiping fetish UM.
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If you like UM, I can't remember this. Um. If
you have long nails, you know there's a lot of
girls out here who get those super long, super dramatic nails.
There's a nail fetish out there. Cater to your strengths.
Do your homework, through your research, so you know about
that particular fetish. You know the lingo. So when you're
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interacting with your clients, you can charge a premium because
you are well versed in that niche, in that fetish. Um.
I think I learned from your YouTube page that there's
a your low fetish. Yes there is, um, yes, Um.
I charge people for pictures of my ear lobes. I
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saw pictures of my ear lobes, my shoulders, my the
backs of my knees, my elbows. Um. And you know
everybody's out here talking about the foot fetish. This. Oh,
I want to make money selling pictures on my feet. Sis,
you got other body parts? Right? I feel like the
foot fet now, No, no, not at all. I mean
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it seems that way because everybody has rant the only
fans recently and all you're saying is foot foot foot
foot foot. But there are different types of foot fetish.
People like big feet, some prefer small feet. Some like
fat feet, some like slim feet. So there's a whole
array of things that you can cater to in that fetish.
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Yes you can. They're called tributes. I do require a
tribute before a gentleman interacts with me. Um. If I
do not receive a tribute first, I do not interact
with them. And why is that? Because you're not going
to waste my time? Me speaking to you means that
I'm taking time away from doing anything the funk else?
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Oh I am so sorry? Can I trst on your show? Sweetie? Yeah?
You give it up? Okay, because listen, that's why I
pick you, because I know how you give it up.
So you can curse, okay, because I won't be disrespectful. Now,
you know, I'd be flying at the mouth sometimes, but yeah,
you you you ain't gonna waste my time. You know,
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some guys would be in your inbox asking questions back
to back to back to back, and they never spend
adult learn be all damn you exactly. So if you
send a tribute first, you are paying for this interaction. Um.
One thing I learned from your YouTube page is that
you pay taxes. Yes, you do have to do taxes.
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You are an independent contractor as an adult entertainer, so
the same way freelancers and freelance photographers have to pay taxes.
As an adult entertainer, you have to pay taxes as well.
This also goes for cam dolls, panty sellers, fetish contents, um,
professional hula hoopers, strippers. We all have to pay taxes
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because this is a legal business. Now, can you work
for a company or can you start it off working
for yourself or can you just do both? I recommend
doing both, especially for all the new girls who have
no experience in the industry whatsoever. Definitely start off with
the company so you can see behind the scenes of
how things are run. And then once you get your
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footing you have a good understanding of the industry in
the job they need, branch out and start doing things
on your own and at the different types of companies
or they all the same. There's different types of companies.
Um right now might go to my main my bay,
the one that I left the most as night flirt Um.
I tell everybody in a Mama to start with there.
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First of all, they one who offers the highest payouts
of all the companies. There's a seventy thirty split you
get seventy, they keep thirty. And here's a little trick
you know, now, um, increase your prices by that way
you get all your crimes. Okay, you know a lot
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of girls is like you know, they take all my money. No,
don't take all your money. First of all, your prices
is too low. You're not charging enough. And then if
you raise your prices by you're still good. You're you're
gonna walk away with what you want to make. Now,
how much does it cost to be a successful phone
sex operator? Um? You can literally do this for next
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to nothing. I mean, of course, you have to pay
your phone bill every month, so you know you need
a phone line and dependent on your carrier, that can
range from fifty dollars two hundred and fifty dollars because
Verizon be tripping out here on and at least um,
but straight talk um for Verizon, pay as you Go,
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T Mobile, Metro, PCs, Cricket, they all have plans for
fifty bucks um. And that's essentially all you need to
get started. Working for night Flert. They will charge your
debit card a dollar, but you get that back instantly.
They just needs they need to do that to verify
who you are and to make you that you were
a legal age. But I tell everybody you get that
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back and still you'll see it directly in your account
as soon as they're charge you, So don't worry about that. UM.
And if you are going to pay for any kind
of advertising or marketing, you would have to pay out
a pocket for that, but that's not necessarily UM required,
and that's just if you want to be extra Actually
treat this like a business. Now. I know a lot
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of people are anonymous in this industry. Are there any
other safety tips that you recommend? Oh, most definitely. UM.
That's saying I know, ye'a'll be taking some cute ass selfies,
says y'all selfies be cute. Don't use some cute as
selfies on your hopies because there's a thing called reverse
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image search. So if you've previously posted on social media
you're super cute selfie and you're using it on your
whole pages. I can put that picture into Google and
I can see every place that it's been posted. I
see the Instagram that it came from, the Twitter page,
that it came from the Facebook page. Instead it came
from Now I'm gonna go to your Facebook page. And
now I see that you posted your your children go
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to such and such elementary. Oh that's in Springfield a high.
Let me see, let me go see what's this? Is
that in Springfield, Ohio? So do not do that. Take
all new pictures for your home pages. Start brand new
home pages. If you're going to do this, do not
convert your regular pages because you have personal information to
posting only your regular page. And where will you put
these home pages that like on social media? Yes, on
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social media? What are some other bunts in this um
in this industry? And that was a good tip. Never ever, ever,
in the history of ever give out your banking information. UM.
I have girls reach out to me all the time.
I don't know what happened. He um. He said he
was gonna pay me five hundred dollars and he just
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needed my well's fargo logg and information and he took
all my money. And no, since he didn't take all
your money, you gave it to him. We tell girls
all the time. He even now, your personal information is
a no no. Giving out your banking information is a
no no. You are your first line of defense. You
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were to protect yourself at all? Would this would be
common sense? But it's not. Huh, you would, But as
many people that are getting scammed on regular day to
day non hole ship out here, it's like, what did
you think we we? We tell you guys the internet
is a dangerous place and when you do, you come
out here and you don't be safe. So how do
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you go about finding clients for your company? Um? I
promote an advertising on social media. Um, if you guys
following me on social media, you know I post all
of my shenanigans all the time. I am transparent, and
I am open and honest about the things that I
do a lot of my clients recently aren't necessarily quote
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unquote clients. You know, when I do post my wanting
hundred numbers online, I'll have gods from social media calling like, um,
hey is this it's not Jake from State Farm? Hey, honey,
how are you? Oh my gosh, Like this is really you? Yeah,
it's me, but like you really do phone six? Yeah,
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my phone six operator. I've been telling you guys this
for years to like we can have phone six right now?
We're sure can't, honey. We can talk about whatever your
time gonna pay for? Honest work. So when they call
it one hundred number, I'm pretty sure they have to
put their information in before they before they are connected
with you, right correct? Um UM. With Kniefler, you get
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your own one hundred number. UM, so your clients call
the one hundred number they put in your extension and
then your personal phone rings. The clients never have access
to your personal phone number. They never have access to
your personal information. And for an added level of security,
if you're not necessarily comfortable with utilizing your personal phone number,
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you can get um a Google Voice number, the Text
and out Little app number, whatever app that gives you
an additional phone number to your line. For the free
ninety nine. Because again we bowed on the here we
want all the coins to stay in ours. You can
use one of the free number apps and connected to
your night flirt. That way, you haven't added level of security.
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Is there such thing as being on a call that's
too long? Never? As long as they're talking, you're making money.
You're being paid by the minute. So even if you
get up, I mean, I never tell girls to do
call that they're uncomfortable with. You know, as soon as
you feel like you're uncomfortable hang up immediately. But I've
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had a caller who was piste off about something. I
don't know what the hell got got him all riled up,
but he was pisted. He was talking big shit. You
ain't ship, you ain't nothing, you ain't nothing, body internet
whore and da I'm talking about talking cash shit. And
I did not hang up because as long as the
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clock were still running, I'm getting paid. And how long
was that call? Um not called? Lasted about a good
and at two nine per minute, I'm just gonna let
you try so. And what other ways did the pandemic
affect your business? Because I know you're saying the beginning
that this is more of a luxury than I need. Um. Yes, um.
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And affected my business because a lot of my clients
were laid off from work. They weren't working. So if
they're not working, they ain't got no money. If they
ain't got no money, they can't call in the chat lines. Um.
You know it picked up a little when the first
stimulus dropped. You know when everybody got that stealth you
know that's STIMMI hit in all these DIMIs hit my account?
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You free? I sure am so now? Um, you know
the secular STIMMI hit. You know, everybody got the little
six on a Houtlett. So my line has been but
seen well. I know because I was looking to say
YouTube page, and I know you have a really good
following on there as well as your videos they do
really well and your social media account, you have a
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really good following. So what is your advice for those
who want to build their following up to becoming successful?
Be consistent? Um, definitely consistent. It's consistency is key because UM,
I don't before back in the day, when I first
hopped off the porch, you know, with my brand and
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you know, building my quote unquote empire, I wasn't consistent
at all and I wasn't getting any engagement. But I've
noticed that the more I post, the more I interacted engage,
you know, not just you guys coming to my page,
but me going to your page and commenting and sharing
and interacting and responding to the messages of my inbox.
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I'm just a side note. I am not active when
I know she's not, you know, because I was trying
to get in contact with hersus November. Yeah, I'm not
active on i G. So if you're looking for me,
my I always respond to my Facebook in boxes, so
please in box me on Facebook, because if you invox
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me on I G I'm not gonna trust me. I know.
But UM, engagement is key to building your brand. Miami's
service bace service in the service space industry. I have
to interact with my people. They are paying to interact
with you. So if you want to do this and
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do this right, UM, you go ah at the car
about some time, set aside ten fifteen minutes a day
and interact with your followers. I don't care if you
only got three people who are following you, interact with
those three people. Now what's your client tell? Do they
know who you are and what you look like? Or
do you always get your customer or something new? Um? Yes,
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and no I don't. My face is out there. I
have no shame in what I do. So I do
post my pictures and whatnot. But I also have another
brand that I utilize. Um it's a blonde from Wisconsin.
You know, blonde hair, blue eyes, you know the the
quote unquote industry standard. But the big um you know.
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I've had a lot of girls, of course, yet definitely
that girl. But UM, I have a lot of girls company.
But you know, I want to do this, but I
don't want to put my face out there. You don't
necessarily have to be the face of your brand. Um,
I have success with both of my brand. Now, what
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made you decide to become a phone sex operator? Because
I love phone sex in my personal life. I was
having phone sex long before, long before I ever had
real sex. Do you remember back in UM the No
not aim what was five Lives five? I would sneak
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on the phone in the middle of the night and
have phone six with random Remember that that It was
the the whole being anonymous thing, me not knowing who
they were, them not knowing who I was. You know,
that just gets my goat. That really ripped my engine.
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So I've always, you know, been a huge fan of
huge supporter of phone sex. I remember one night I
was talking to this guy. Mind you, back in the day,
I had no business being on these none of us did,
none of us, and I was under aged, like hell.
And then one guy was like, yo, I've been calling
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to find you like every night this week. I said,
I know, I've been looking for your nasty ass too,
and he was like, well, like can I Like, can
I just pay you to talk to me, Like, I
don't even want to have to keep paying for remember
ship on here, I just want to pay you and
just talk to you. And I was like that's the thing.
He was like, yeah, phone sex is a thing, Like
you know, it's all kind of one hundred numbers. You
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would be great at this. So you know from a
young age this is what you want to do. Yep,
early on. You've been doing it ever since I have.
I've literally been doing this since the nine nine in
the two thousands. That's interesting. So one are some common
topics that you receive from clients. I know one thing
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I read was niggas you want to do inseests conversations.
I'm like, oh that's weird. Yeah, um, I do have
a couple of intest callers. One guy I do. I
charged a premium right for that too. Um. Race plate
calls are kind of popular. I'm not a huge fan
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of race play calls, so if I do engage, I
definitely triple my rates for that. So what did they be?
M uh huh? And I necessarily with that not remind
myself beat you at work and you charge and to
nine nine permit it because I remember I called myself.
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Who is she talking to you? He's like, bit she
talking to you? This is what he called this. Um
And I tell girls all the time, listen, if you
know that it's not your thing, you know you cannot
handle it, don't do it. Um. I know a lot
of girls come into this industry because they're caught between
a rock and hard spot. You know, they have certain
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traumas and triggers that they're dealing with. If you know
something that's going to set you off, don't do it. Um.
A lot of girls aren't successful in this in this
industry because they can't separate work from the person. UM.
I tell girls all the time, this is what you do.
This is not who you are, if that makes sense.
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So when you come into the industry and this is
what you want to do, and you know they're calling
you all kinds of sluts and whars and or whatever
gets their goats, you know a lot of girls at
the end of the shift they're like, you know, I
just I just feel down. I feel bad, like sis
for what you know, he was calling me all these names.
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Who you are he has yeah, and he has no
clue who you are. You are an actress, You are
portraying a character. Um, what does that guy's name on
the plate the throw the Players Club? Julia yea yeah, Jr. Listen,
I am pretty sure that is not who he is
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in real life, one who raped on Ebony. That is
a character who are Ebony? Uh huh? I mean in
real life? I steal with trust Is, But I'm pretty
sure that's not who he is. So how do you
ever received a call that was too much for you?
I did, um, and this wasn't even surprisingly enough, this
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wasn't even in the adult entertainment industry. I'm also an
e SL consultant. I teach for fifteen different companies and
I was working with this one company and one of
my students called, and you know, I'm teaching my student,
but she had a very creepy voice. It made me like, um,
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like scary movie creepy, like the Ring creepy. And I
have and I hate to say this, but she was
one of my best students. Um, she paid on time,
she booked me four or five times a week. But
her voice, to my core girl, I couldn't even explain
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it to you. It's it's just it's real scary movie
vibes and you know, you know when they pick up
the phone and you hear that voice on the other
line and three is it's And she would you know,
she would call it UM, call the system whatever. And
I've been trying to teach her and I'm assiking her
questions and I would get cold. The hair on the
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back of mynd stand up like I couldn't teach any
more classes after she had to be my last class
of the day because it crept me out so bad.
So I was like, you know what, yeah, and I
quit that particular company because SYSCOMNNA keep trying to book
my classes and I don't want no smoke. So in
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those cases, do you have to like UM for stuff
like that? Yes? I did have to mentally prepare myself
for classes with her because I always got an unders
feeling and usually when I get that feeling in the
pit of my stomach, I am never wrong. Something horrible
is going to happen. So I taught her for about
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two three months and after that was like, no, what,
I can't keep doing this to myself because I can't
function after dealing with her. So I tell UM. So
for the girls in the industry, if you get a
caller like that who just gives you the hebe geeps
who make you th kind of way the cline, motherfucking
call money and good money. And I'd rather see you healthy, happy,
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insane than to be in a mental institution somewhere behind
a call that the girls bug out because of that. Yes, um,
I mean not a lot of girls, but I do
know of a couple of girls who kind of lost
your ship. But you know it's due to previous traumas
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that were triggered during their calls. And you know that's
why I tell them, Hey, you know, if you know
you have triggers, put on your profile, putting when you're promoting.
You don't do an X, Y and Z. You know
some girls you know you know I I'm okay within
sess calls. Um, I know other girls aren't because of
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previous situations in their history. So if incest calls or
is a trigger for you put in your profile, you
do not do incest calls under any circumstances, any mention
of incests. You will disconnect the call immediately. That's it.
That's all. Stand firm on your boundaries. So have you
ever want to meet up with a customer outside of work.
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Have I ever wanted to yes talk about listen, I
am as I'm a sucker for a for a deep voice,
for a nasty motherfucker with voice I'm talking about very
white deep and had this caller we'll call him James.
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James will hit my line twice the week and he
had the deepest, richest voice, and this motherfucker was nasty,
and I, girl, I was ready to risk it. Oh,
details like, because we like a nasty know we do.
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You know, even in my personal life, you know, during sex,
I like to be talked dirty too. So he was
talking dirty to me, and it was like, you know,
he's right there in my and y'all know I like
to like oiscing. Listen, girl, I got me putting all
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my buses that here, go ahead, so let's get your
shut off. What's it like? Got me reminiscent and shit
and my feelings. But his voice was so rich and
so velvety, and he was talking all this nasty ship
where he was gonna do to me, you know, rub
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me up, flip me out, listen happening. I was like, bro, like,
you know, we got sitting in a call one day
and I was like, so I don't know who's listening.
But you know, on social media, you know, you if
you're looking for somebody, you know, you just gotta type
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in her name. Stay up, dude, I'm trying to put
my info out there so you know he could reach
out because I couldn't ask him for I don't know,
because I get a lot of guys in my inbox,
and although I am cordial with them, I am professional
with them. You know, I don't hand them my assens
or anything. I also have a stranger danger complex. So
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even if he didn't, even if he did reach out
on something, okay, I'm just going to approach her as
just a gentleman who's just interested in her. You know,
if he didn't say he was one of my callers,
you know I talked to you on night for it
or whatever, I wouldn't find the exchange no personal information
with this man. So he could have reached doubt and
I just not know it. But as of yet, I
don't know if you've reached out or not. But listen.
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If you're out there and you're listening, what's up? Wait?
Is it hard for you to date being in this industry? No?
Because I am open and honest about my shenanigans. Um,
I there is no secret to what I do. I
post everything online on social media. I put all of
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our cards on the table. Um when yes, ma'am and
I you know, when people are interested in me romantically,
I tell them listen, I am an online adult entertainer.
That is not going to stop. My ultimate goal in
life is to be a trophy wife. If that is
not your cup of teeth, then by all means, keep
it pushing, no love lost, no hard feelings. I do
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not split bills. I I don't cook. I mean, I
mean I clean, but I don't cook. You know, cooking
it is not my ministry. I do not cook from
a place of joy, from a place of happiness. I
cook out of necessity and obligation and requirements. And I
frequent Swinkers clubs and I'm not planning on giving up
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my membership to any of the clubs that I frequent.
So if you aren't with none of that, then, by
all means, I wish you the best of luck on
your search, but I get it for you. I like that, though,
because I feel like you have to be straightforward with people,
like listen, this is what you're gonna get ain't know
in is bus about it? Okay mm hmmm. And I
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stand firm on my boundaries. Those are my boundaries. I'm
not willing to waiver. I'm not willing to bend. So
if you decide that you still are interested in me,
you still want to deal with me, this is what
it This is what it's going to cost you to
deal with me. Now, how long would you be being
an erotic content creator and a camp model? You also
sell your panties? How did that come about? Oh? That
(34:57):
started back when I was happily stripping. Um, I would
have guys would ye? Girl? I I do live a
very interesting life only because traditional forms of employment just
aren't my jam. And that's what UM. That's why I
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am on social media as transparent as I am to
show other women that traditional form of employment may not
be for you. You have other options available. A regular
nine to five has never worked for me. UM. I
dyed my hair all kinds of colors. At one point
in time, my hair was lime green, it was March
Simpson blue. UM. For a few years, my hair is
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cotton candy pink. I have piercings in my face. You know,
I had this big gass tattoo on my forearm. So
even when I was education based, you know, I have
my master's degree in education, pursuing in education. Uh hum.
So even when I was in the classroom actively teaching,
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you know, my personality is still big and larger than life.
And you know, my classes were lit. You know, I
was having fun with my students, and parents would complain
because well, every time I come in there, they're playing. No,
your students are actively engaged. Um, I'm a non traditional teacher.
You know, as long as I'm still meeting the industry standards.
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How we get there shouldn't matter as long as we're
still meeting our mark. So, like I said, traditional forms
of employment just don't work for me because of my
personality and who I am as a person, as an individual.
So I try to find alternative forms of employment that
allowed me to be me, that allowed me to be quirky,
(36:45):
be fun, being tergetic, wild, to be free. So then
how are you talking about with the whole painting thing?
Is that you were stripping and used Oh oh yes,
I was broke. I'd be going continuous, but I think
you're bringing because I feel like people think they have
to be one dimensional in order to get where they
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need to get to. And you don't have to be
like that in order to succeed. M hm, not at all.
There is over a seven people in the world. That
means there's over seven different types of personalities, different kind
of job opportunities. You just have to create your own
land and do what works best for you. But as
far as the panti selling goes, I was stripping back
(37:28):
in the day and one of my clients would literally
when I would take much you know you, when you strip,
you take the blows off and ship. I would take
my bottoms off and my client would talk at them
all the time, and I'm like, dude, like give me
my dance bottoms, like I got another set to do
one stead of manute saying you over here fucking with
my money. He was like, no, but I just want
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them so well, these should say cheap. You know my
understand it's a little piece of that. It's the fabric
called Fords six. Right. You have to either run me
my panties or run me some coin. He's like, I'll
just pay you for it. And he just started paying
me for him and I was like, you realize's just
(38:10):
gonna buy my bottoms like this, Like I had a
dance back full of tops, but no fucking bottoms because
every time I would take them off when I would
dance for him, he would So can you make a
lot of money selling selling on panting because I feel
like that's a that's a thing now too. Yes, it is,
um and it became. It was always popular, but um,
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regular women weren't interested in it, didn't know nothing about
it until or just the New Black, you know, when
they had a I Want not a mini episode co
and went three or four episodes dealing with the whole
panty selling thing or whatever. Um, then a lot of
women like, oh my gosh, I can sell my panties.
I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, it's been
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a thing, and I know there's a site now, there's
a couple of sites out there. Um, I my base
rates starts and and then you think about it. You know,
you can go to Victoria's Secrets. They got what the
three for thirty five or five for thirt I don't
know my booty too, beauty the shafter Victoria's Secret. So, um,
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you can go to Rainbow and get panties for like
mm hmm right or um, even if you get your
panties custom made or you make your own panties, because
that's the thing. Also, my base price starts at fifty
dollars for us to even have a conversation about my panties,
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fifth and ells off top. I don't sell them less
for fifty bucks. Um. Some guys want you to wear
them two or three days. I charge an additional fee
for extra day. Some guys want to see you in
a picture of your panties. I charged for the picture
of my Pantif meet in those panties, they want you
to orgasm in your panties, I charge additional fees for that.
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So you can make quite a pretty penny selling yours,
and not just your pennies. You can sell your bras,
your shoes, your socks, the razors from when you shave
your legs. I yes, ma'am, I no longer shave. I
get waxed so I have some money. Come with me
when I go get waxed, to record me getting waxed,
(40:24):
and I sell the video content. You're not playing with
this bag, baby, not at all. I'm selling everything but
the kids just saying I like to make the joke,
do everything it's up for sell ass and move weight
and for legal purposes. I would ever admit to for
advice that you do with it. Now. I know you
have an academy where you teach women about becoming a
(40:45):
phone sex operator. Can you tellch a little bit about that? Um? Um, No,
I can't. I was actually working with the academy, but
we are no long But I still do no not mine,
not mine, you know. I just I support black women
in the industry. I support my own social circle before
(41:08):
I go out and spend money elsewhere. So they were
already doing it and up and running this ship. So
I'm like, Okay, what's this y'all out here already doing
it and that funk with y'all heavy, So let me
assis to do what I can. But we're no longer
in partnership together, so I do my own thing on
the side. I still mentor women. I still help women,
(41:29):
it's just no longer. Because I was looking at looking
at one of your YouTube videos and you've got a
lot of callers on Earth. Yeah I do. Um, I've
helped over women, and I want to say it's more
than that. I don't necessarily keep counting because for one,
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I that that kind of time and I'm always posting
free game on Facebook and stuff like that and giving
out resource or says that when I when I learned something,
I want to teach the next assists. I just learned
how to do this, came here, Let me show you,
let me teach you. Um. I started the BAY group
on Facebook. Facebook. Um, it's a Facebook group for black
(42:16):
adult entertainers, you know, the Bay Group. And it's because
when I've noticed when I was in these other groups
where it was a mixture, a mixed crowd in there,
all of the girls, all the black girls. When they
would ask questions or ask for help or need resources
or whatever, they would get overlooked. Their posts would get deleted. Um,
(42:36):
they would get condescending remarks since night comments and ship. Um,
black women already have to work twice as hard for
half as much in this industry. I'm not going. You know,
we shouldn't have to be in the space where you're
handing us you're asked to kiss every day. So I
decided to be the chance that I wanted to see
in the world. And it's okay. I don't like the
way these groups are being ran. Let me start my
(42:59):
own group. That way I can make sure the black
women are getting the resources and the information that they need.
And I was talking to my other home girl, she's escort.
She was telling me how there's a lot of racism
within the sex working industry, which is funked up. There
is very much so, but then yeah, I'm not surprised
because most definitely, like in any industry that we're in,
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we have to work twice as hard for half as much.
Even in my ESL communities. You know, I teach you
on mine and ship, and it's the same thing when
the black teachers are in these other groups, these predominantly
white groups, and we asked questions, we get attacked. Um,
then when we you know, snap back and ship, they
want to cry and be a victim all of a sudden.
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And it's the same way. So it doesn't matter what
industry you're in. White people still saw what they did
a capital hill, capital hill climbing walls and ship. K girl,
have that been U listen a whole different airline. You
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already know. But before we leave, I'm just curious, and
I feel like we all have a financial goal, but
I feel like you you're trying to get to a
certain goal, are you Because you do a lot girl
piezds ain't cheap. Um, I don't necessarily have a financial goal. Um.
At one point in time, oh two point in times
(44:31):
in life, I found myself homeless, and had I had
the resources and the knowledge that I have now that
I did not have back then, I would not have
found myself in those positions. So my only goal is
to never be homeless again. That's a fact. Where are
you proud of all things that you've accomplished so far?
(44:53):
Very much so? UM, I listen, I have come a
long way. And this is the conversation for another time.
I hope invited back to go into more detail. But um,
from where I started to where I am today, says,
this is nothing of growth. I am not supposed to
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be here, you mean, So for me to be here
and to have accomplished all that I've accomplished, to be
pursuing my PhD, to have a brand that's growing and
that's positive, to actually be doing something with my life,
that's a huge accomplishment and itself. Well, I appreciate you
(45:39):
for taking the time about your schedule to come speak
to us, and I definitely want to invite you back
to the show because I know you have a story
because you were a lot of hats in your time. Yeah, yeah,
we we, We don't have to talk. You know, next time,
I have to get a ball of tequila bring the
tissues because you want to add so I guess I
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Please keep in mind that all of my guests are anonymous.
So let's begin this week's episode. So I am super
excited about this week's episode I have been stalking my
guests for a while, and she finally responded to the kid.
(01:44):
She is the jackie of all trades and I can't
wait for us to die more into her story as
a phone sex operator. So to my guests, how are
you feeling? I am super excited and thank you so
much for allowing me to be on your show. I
know I'm gonna love it here, Thick, But how has
the pandemic been treating you? Um? It's been okay, It's
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had it up and downs, you know. Um. I am
a service based in the service based industry, and my
business is more of a luxury, not necessarily a need,
So you know, it's it's been an interesting ride. Yeah,
I'm so over it. Um so before I've also been
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living under a rock? What is a false sex operator? Oh?
For those who have been living under a rock of phones?
Like I get paid to talk dirty for a living.
You know how when your boyfriends and your husband's are
deployed and the only thing you can do is talk
on the phone for those intimate moments. I get paid
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to do that. I'm curious would this be considered as
sex works? Because I feel like I really don't hear
about this my lot. Um, yes, this is definitely considered
sex work. Um, anything that you actually do in the
industry is considered sex work. If you are a cam doll,
which is you know, you get on camera and you're
(03:10):
talking dirty to the guys that you're taking your top off,
that is considered sex work. If you are a virtual companion,
that's considered sex work. If you are a sugar baby.
You know, it all falls under the same realm of
sex work. So whatever the requirements to become one a
false sex operator, UM, you have to be eighteen twenty one,
depending on your area and your state laws. Um, you
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have you know, back in the day, you have to
have a landline. Now you can work from your mobile device,
which is fine. I work exclusive, exclusively from my mobile phone. UM,
I no longer use my landline anymore, and that allows
me the freedom to work anywhere, and I have worked
everywhere around the globe. You have to be willing to
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talk dirty, that's kind of the job. I get a
lot of women who come to me assist, but I
really don't feel like I should have to talk thirty
What is this? What are you here? Is it necessary?
Because I think I read somewhere that you don't have
to do it something. It is not necessary at all.
It's not a actual requirement. But that's also the job
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that you're in. You get what I'm saying. Um, you
can advertise and promote control for your own callers. I
prefer quirky collars. I like calls that are not traditional
phone sex, you know, so I advertise for the collars
that I want. That way, I'm not just sitting here
ooing and all on all day. But if I get
a client who comes on the line at minutes, of
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course I'm gonna do what I'm gonna you know, that's
what they're paying me for. So we're are some benefits. Oh.
One of the major benefits is you get to set
your own rates. There are girls that charge per minute.
There are girls that charge per minute. Most definitely a
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perk that, Um, you are your own boss. You know,
if your kid has a soccer game or get sick,
I don't have to call anybody, but hey, I need
to take the day off to take my kid to
the doctor. I don't have to report to anybody. I
work when I want to work. Being a phone sex
operator also allows me the freedom to work where I
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want to work. I'm not tied to a desk all day,
you know, with the pandemic and everybody working from home.
You know, for those of that that have been working
from home for years, it's no big deal. But for
the newly people who are now working for oh my gosh,
you know, I'm stuck in the house all day. I
hate it here. I want to go back to the office,
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you know, working from my phone everywhere, it's my office.
I feel like a lot of moms think that they
can't do this. Is that true? Oh not at all? Um. Well,
prior to the pandemic, of course, when your children were
in school, moms are home all day anyway, you can
definitely do this. Now with children being home and out
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of school doing virtual learning, you have to be a
little creative about how you do this, but you can
still do this. But for moms with younger talks um,
if you have them on a schedule, you can work
during their naptime, during their playtime. You know, you just
go out into the car, have your conversation, schedule your
callers for their naptime. That way, they're not in the
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background cutting up and acting up. Right, could you imagine. Um,
I also ready that you are a text operator. What
is that I get paid to text because I can't
always talk on the phone. For those of you who know,
I work in several different industries, so talking on the
phone isn't always an option for me. But UM, I
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am paid to text dirty as well. Which one do
you prefer? Um? I prefer to text only because I
get to multitask. You know, when I'm on a call,
they can hear me typing on the keyboard when I'm
doing other things, and I kind of get lost when
I'm on a call and I'm multitasking doing other things,
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and then I'm not as attentive. Uh huh, I'm sorry,
what was that? Oh? Yes, daddy right there? You know,
so that kind of throws off their mood or whatever.
But texting allows me to multitask and do other things
and work on other projects while I'm still securing the bag. Now.
I know that some people can set their own price,
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but is there like a standard price? But all who
are just beginning, UM, I would recommend that you don't
work for less than a dollar ninety nine per minutes
only because depending on the company that you work for,
there is a seventy thirty split, you get seventy, they
keep thirty. UM. So when you're thinking about it like that,
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you're not necessarily making any real money if you work
for less less than ninety nine cents. Now, how much
can someone make from being a phone sex operator? UM.
That depends on you and your hustle. UM. A lot
of girls don't make it ninety days in this industry
because they think that, oh, you know, I'm gonna be
a phone sex operator and I'm just going to make
all this money. While it is true that you can
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make a pretty penny, and I do mean a very
pretty penny, there's a lot of work. Number. UM, I'm
clearing about thirty five hundred to five KB month depending
on how much that works exactly, especially for me being
part time. Also if you was full time, damn exactly.
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So UM, I tell the girls you have to stick
to a schedule. You have to do your your homework,
your research. UM, get a niche specify, UM work in
a specific area. If you have big boobs, then play
to your strengths. UM. If you have a big ask
and you should be doing the ass worshiping fetish UM.
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If you like UM, I can't remember this. Um. If
you have long nails, you know there's a lot of
girls out here who get those super long, super dramatic nails.
There's a nail fetish out there. Cater to your strengths.
Do your homework, through your research, so you know about
that particular fetish. You know the lingo. So when you're
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interacting with your clients, you can charge a premium because
you are well versed in that niche, in that fetish. Um.
I think I learned from your YouTube page that there's
a your low fetish. Yes there is, um, yes, Um.
I charge people for pictures of my ear lobes. I
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saw pictures of my ear lobes, my shoulders, my the
backs of my knees, my elbows. Um. And you know
everybody's out here talking about the foot fetish. This. Oh,
I want to make money selling pictures on my feet. Sis,
you got other body parts? Right? I feel like the
foot fet now, No, no, not at all. I mean
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it seems that way because everybody has rant the only
fans recently and all you're saying is foot foot foot
foot foot. But there are different types of foot fetish.
People like big feet, some prefer small feet. Some like
fat feet, some like slim feet. So there's a whole
array of things that you can cater to in that fetish.
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Yes you can. They're called tributes. I do require a
tribute before a gentleman interacts with me. Um. If I
do not receive a tribute first, I do not interact
with them. And why is that? Because you're not going
to waste my time? Me speaking to you means that
I'm taking time away from doing anything the funk else?
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Oh I am so sorry? Can I trst on your show? Sweetie? Yeah?
You give it up? Okay, because listen, that's why I
pick you, because I know how you give it up.
So you can curse, okay, because I won't be disrespectful. Now,
you know, I'd be flying at the mouth sometimes, but yeah,
you you you ain't gonna waste my time. You know,
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some guys would be in your inbox asking questions back
to back to back to back, and they never spend
adult learn be all damn you exactly. So if you
send a tribute first, you are paying for this interaction. Um.
One thing I learned from your YouTube page is that
you pay taxes. Yes, you do have to do taxes.
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You are an independent contractor as an adult entertainer, so
the same way freelancers and freelance photographers have to pay taxes.
As an adult entertainer, you have to pay taxes as well.
This also goes for cam dolls, panty sellers, fetish contents, um,
professional hula hoopers, strippers. We all have to pay taxes
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because this is a legal business. Now, can you work
for a company or can you start it off working
for yourself or can you just do both? I recommend
doing both, especially for all the new girls who have
no experience in the industry whatsoever. Definitely start off with
the company so you can see behind the scenes of
how things are run. And then once you get your
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footing you have a good understanding of the industry in
the job they need, branch out and start doing things
on your own and at the different types of companies
or they all the same. There's different types of companies.
Um right now might go to my main my bay,
the one that I left the most as night flirt Um.
I tell everybody in a Mama to start with there.
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First of all, they one who offers the highest payouts
of all the companies. There's a seventy thirty split you
get seventy, they keep thirty. And here's a little trick
you know, now, um, increase your prices by that way
you get all your crimes. Okay, you know a lot
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of girls is like you know, they take all my money. No,
don't take all your money. First of all, your prices
is too low. You're not charging enough. And then if
you raise your prices by you're still good. You're you're
gonna walk away with what you want to make. Now,
how much does it cost to be a successful phone
sex operator? Um? You can literally do this for next
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to nothing. I mean, of course, you have to pay
your phone bill every month, so you know you need
a phone line and dependent on your carrier, that can
range from fifty dollars two hundred and fifty dollars because
Verizon be tripping out here on and at least um,
but straight talk um for Verizon, pay as you Go,
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T Mobile, Metro, PCs, Cricket, they all have plans for
fifty bucks um. And that's essentially all you need to
get started. Working for night Flert. They will charge your
debit card a dollar, but you get that back instantly.
They just needs they need to do that to verify
who you are and to make you that you were
a legal age. But I tell everybody you get that
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back and still you'll see it directly in your account
as soon as they're charge you, So don't worry about that. UM.
And if you are going to pay for any kind
of advertising or marketing, you would have to pay out
a pocket for that, but that's not necessarily UM required,
and that's just if you want to be extra Actually
treat this like a business. Now. I know a lot
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of people are anonymous in this industry. Are there any
other safety tips that you recommend? Oh, most definitely. UM.
That's saying I know, ye'a'll be taking some cute ass selfies,
says y'all selfies be cute. Don't use some cute as
selfies on your hopies because there's a thing called reverse
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image search. So if you've previously posted on social media
you're super cute selfie and you're using it on your
whole pages. I can put that picture into Google and
I can see every place that it's been posted. I
see the Instagram that it came from, the Twitter page,
that it came from the Facebook page. Instead it came
from Now I'm gonna go to your Facebook page. And
now I see that you posted your your children go
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to such and such elementary. Oh that's in Springfield a high.
Let me see, let me go see what's this? Is
that in Springfield, Ohio? So do not do that. Take
all new pictures for your home pages. Start brand new
home pages. If you're going to do this, do not
convert your regular pages because you have personal information to
posting only your regular page. And where will you put
these home pages that like on social media? Yes, on
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social media? What are some other bunts in this um
in this industry? And that was a good tip. Never ever, ever,
in the history of ever give out your banking information. UM.
I have girls reach out to me all the time.
I don't know what happened. He um. He said he
was gonna pay me five hundred dollars and he just
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needed my well's fargo logg and information and he took
all my money. And no, since he didn't take all
your money, you gave it to him. We tell girls
all the time. He even now, your personal information is
a no no. Giving out your banking information is a
no no. You are your first line of defense. You
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were to protect yourself at all? Would this would be
common sense? But it's not. Huh, you would, But as
many people that are getting scammed on regular day to
day non hole ship out here, it's like, what did
you think we we? We tell you guys the internet
is a dangerous place and when you do, you come
out here and you don't be safe. So how do
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you go about finding clients for your company? Um? I
promote an advertising on social media. Um, if you guys
following me on social media, you know I post all
of my shenanigans all the time. I am transparent, and
I am open and honest about the things that I
do a lot of my clients recently aren't necessarily quote
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unquote clients. You know, when I do post my wanting
hundred numbers online, I'll have gods from social media calling like, um,
hey is this it's not Jake from State Farm? Hey, honey,
how are you? Oh my gosh, Like this is really you? Yeah,
it's me, but like you really do phone six? Yeah,
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my phone six operator. I've been telling you guys this
for years to like we can have phone six right now?
We're sure can't, honey. We can talk about whatever your
time gonna pay for? Honest work. So when they call
it one hundred number, I'm pretty sure they have to
put their information in before they before they are connected
with you, right correct? Um UM. With Kniefler, you get
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your own one hundred number. UM, so your clients call
the one hundred number they put in your extension and
then your personal phone rings. The clients never have access
to your personal phone number. They never have access to
your personal information. And for an added level of security,
if you're not necessarily comfortable with utilizing your personal phone number,
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you can get um a Google Voice number, the Text
and out Little app number, whatever app that gives you
an additional phone number to your line. For the free
ninety nine. Because again we bowed on the here we
want all the coins to stay in ours. You can
use one of the free number apps and connected to
your night flirt. That way, you haven't added level of security.
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Is there such thing as being on a call that's
too long? Never? As long as they're talking, you're making money.
You're being paid by the minute. So even if you
get up, I mean, I never tell girls to do
call that they're uncomfortable with. You know, as soon as
you feel like you're uncomfortable hang up immediately. But I've
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had a caller who was piste off about something. I
don't know what the hell got got him all riled up,
but he was pisted. He was talking big shit. You
ain't ship, you ain't nothing, you ain't nothing, body internet
whore and da I'm talking about talking cash shit. And
I did not hang up because as long as the
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clock were still running, I'm getting paid. And how long
was that call? Um not called? Lasted about a good
and at two nine per minute, I'm just gonna let
you try so. And what other ways did the pandemic
affect your business? Because I know you're saying the beginning
that this is more of a luxury than I need. Um. Yes, um.
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And affected my business because a lot of my clients
were laid off from work. They weren't working. So if
they're not working, they ain't got no money. If they
ain't got no money, they can't call in the chat lines. Um.
You know it picked up a little when the first
stimulus dropped. You know when everybody got that stealth you
know that's STIMMI hit in all these DIMIs hit my account?
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You free? I sure am so now? Um, you know
the secular STIMMI hit. You know, everybody got the little
six on a Houtlett. So my line has been but
seen well. I know because I was looking to say
YouTube page, and I know you have a really good
following on there as well as your videos they do
really well and your social media account, you have a
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really good following. So what is your advice for those
who want to build their following up to becoming successful?
Be consistent? Um, definitely consistent. It's consistency is key because UM,
I don't before back in the day, when I first
hopped off the porch, you know, with my brand and
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you know, building my quote unquote empire, I wasn't consistent
at all and I wasn't getting any engagement. But I've
noticed that the more I post, the more I interacted engage,
you know, not just you guys coming to my page,
but me going to your page and commenting and sharing
and interacting and responding to the messages of my inbox.
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I'm just a side note. I am not active when
I know she's not, you know, because I was trying
to get in contact with hersus November. Yeah, I'm not
active on i G. So if you're looking for me,
my I always respond to my Facebook in boxes, so
please in box me on Facebook, because if you invox
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me on I G I'm not gonna trust me. I know.
But UM, engagement is key to building your brand. Miami's
service bace service in the service space industry. I have
to interact with my people. They are paying to interact
with you. So if you want to do this and
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do this right, UM, you go ah at the car
about some time, set aside ten fifteen minutes a day
and interact with your followers. I don't care if you
only got three people who are following you, interact with
those three people. Now what's your client tell? Do they
know who you are and what you look like? Or
do you always get your customer or something new? Um? Yes,
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and no I don't. My face is out there. I
have no shame in what I do. So I do
post my pictures and whatnot. But I also have another
brand that I utilize. Um it's a blonde from Wisconsin.
You know, blonde hair, blue eyes, you know the the
quote unquote industry standard. But the big um you know.
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I've had a lot of girls, of course, yet definitely
that girl. But UM, I have a lot of girls company.
But you know, I want to do this, but I
don't want to put my face out there. You don't
necessarily have to be the face of your brand. Um,
I have success with both of my brand. Now, what
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made you decide to become a phone sex operator? Because
I love phone sex in my personal life. I was
having phone sex long before, long before I ever had
real sex. Do you remember back in UM the No
not aim what was five Lives five? I would sneak
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on the phone in the middle of the night and
have phone six with random Remember that that It was
the the whole being anonymous thing, me not knowing who
they were, them not knowing who I was. You know,
that just gets my goat. That really ripped my engine.
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So I've always, you know, been a huge fan of
huge supporter of phone sex. I remember one night I
was talking to this guy. Mind you, back in the day,
I had no business being on these none of us did,
none of us, and I was under aged, like hell.
And then one guy was like, yo, I've been calling
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to find you like every night this week. I said,
I know, I've been looking for your nasty ass too,
and he was like, well, like can I Like, can
I just pay you to talk to me, Like, I
don't even want to have to keep paying for remember
ship on here, I just want to pay you and
just talk to you. And I was like that's the thing.
He was like, yeah, phone sex is a thing, Like
you know, it's all kind of one hundred numbers. You
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would be great at this. So you know from a
young age this is what you want to do. Yep,
early on. You've been doing it ever since I have.
I've literally been doing this since the nine nine in
the two thousands. That's interesting. So one are some common
topics that you receive from clients. I know one thing
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I read was niggas you want to do inseests conversations.
I'm like, oh that's weird. Yeah, um, I do have
a couple of intest callers. One guy I do. I
charged a premium right for that too. Um. Race plate
calls are kind of popular. I'm not a huge fan
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of race play calls, so if I do engage, I
definitely triple my rates for that. So what did they be?
M uh huh? And I necessarily with that not remind
myself beat you at work and you charge and to
nine nine permit it because I remember I called myself.
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Who is she talking to you? He's like, bit she
talking to you? This is what he called this. Um
And I tell girls all the time, listen, if you
know that it's not your thing, you know you cannot
handle it, don't do it. Um. I know a lot
of girls come into this industry because they're caught between
a rock and hard spot. You know, they have certain
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traumas and triggers that they're dealing with. If you know
something that's going to set you off, don't do it. Um.
A lot of girls aren't successful in this in this
industry because they can't separate work from the person. UM.
I tell girls all the time, this is what you do.
This is not who you are, if that makes sense.
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So when you come into the industry and this is
what you want to do, and you know they're calling
you all kinds of sluts and whars and or whatever
gets their goats, you know a lot of girls at
the end of the shift they're like, you know, I
just I just feel down. I feel bad, like sis
for what you know, he was calling me all these names.
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Who you are he has yeah, and he has no
clue who you are. You are an actress, You are
portraying a character. Um, what does that guy's name on
the plate the throw the Players Club? Julia yea yeah, Jr. Listen,
I am pretty sure that is not who he is
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in real life, one who raped on Ebony. That is
a character who are Ebony? Uh huh? I mean in
real life? I steal with trust Is, But I'm pretty
sure that's not who he is. So how do you
ever received a call that was too much for you?
I did, um, and this wasn't even surprisingly enough, this
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wasn't even in the adult entertainment industry. I'm also an
e SL consultant. I teach for fifteen different companies and
I was working with this one company and one of
my students called, and you know, I'm teaching my student,
but she had a very creepy voice. It made me like, um,
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like scary movie creepy, like the Ring creepy. And I
have and I hate to say this, but she was
one of my best students. Um, she paid on time,
she booked me four or five times a week. But
her voice, to my core girl, I couldn't even explain
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it to you. It's it's just it's real scary movie
vibes and you know, you know when they pick up
the phone and you hear that voice on the other
line and three is it's And she would you know,
she would call it UM, call the system whatever. And
I've been trying to teach her and I'm assiking her
questions and I would get cold. The hair on the
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back of mynd stand up like I couldn't teach any
more classes after she had to be my last class
of the day because it crept me out so bad.
So I was like, you know what, yeah, and I
quit that particular company because SYSCOMNNA keep trying to book
my classes and I don't want no smoke. So in
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those cases, do you have to like UM for stuff
like that? Yes? I did have to mentally prepare myself
for classes with her because I always got an unders
feeling and usually when I get that feeling in the
pit of my stomach, I am never wrong. Something horrible
is going to happen. So I taught her for about
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two three months and after that was like, no, what,
I can't keep doing this to myself because I can't
function after dealing with her. So I tell UM. So
for the girls in the industry, if you get a
caller like that who just gives you the hebe geeps
who make you th kind of way the cline, motherfucking
call money and good money. And I'd rather see you healthy, happy,
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insane than to be in a mental institution somewhere behind
a call that the girls bug out because of that. Yes, um,
I mean not a lot of girls, but I do
know of a couple of girls who kind of lost
your ship. But you know it's due to previous traumas
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that were triggered during their calls. And you know that's
why I tell them, Hey, you know, if you know
you have triggers, put on your profile, putting when you're promoting.
You don't do an X, Y and Z. You know
some girls you know you know I I'm okay within
sess calls. Um, I know other girls aren't because of
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previous situations in their history. So if incest calls or
is a trigger for you put in your profile, you
do not do incest calls under any circumstances, any mention
of incests. You will disconnect the call immediately. That's it.
That's all. Stand firm on your boundaries. So have you
ever want to meet up with a customer outside of work.
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Have I ever wanted to yes talk about listen, I
am as I'm a sucker for a for a deep voice,
for a nasty motherfucker with voice I'm talking about very
white deep and had this caller we'll call him James.
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James will hit my line twice the week and he
had the deepest, richest voice, and this motherfucker was nasty,
and I, girl, I was ready to risk it. Oh,
details like, because we like a nasty know we do.
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You know, even in my personal life, you know, during sex,
I like to be talked dirty too. So he was
talking dirty to me, and it was like, you know,
he's right there in my and y'all know I like
to like oiscing. Listen, girl, I got me putting all
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my buses that here, go ahead, so let's get your
shut off. What's it like? Got me reminiscent and shit
and my feelings. But his voice was so rich and
so velvety, and he was talking all this nasty ship
where he was gonna do to me, you know, rub
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me up, flip me out, listen happening. I was like, bro, like,
you know, we got sitting in a call one day
and I was like, so I don't know who's listening.
But you know, on social media, you know, you if
you're looking for somebody, you know, you just gotta type
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in her name. Stay up, dude, I'm trying to put
my info out there so you know he could reach
out because I couldn't ask him for I don't know,
because I get a lot of guys in my inbox,
and although I am cordial with them, I am professional
with them. You know, I don't hand them my assens
or anything. I also have a stranger danger complex. So
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even if he didn't, even if he did reach out
on something, okay, I'm just going to approach her as
just a gentleman who's just interested in her. You know,
if he didn't say he was one of my callers,
you know I talked to you on night for it
or whatever, I wouldn't find the exchange no personal information
with this man. So he could have reached doubt and
I just not know it. But as of yet, I
don't know if you've reached out or not. But listen.
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If you're out there and you're listening, what's up? Wait?
Is it hard for you to date being in this industry? No?
Because I am open and honest about my shenanigans. Um,
I there is no secret to what I do. I
post everything online on social media. I put all of
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our cards on the table. Um when yes, ma'am and
I you know, when people are interested in me romantically,
I tell them listen, I am an online adult entertainer.
That is not going to stop. My ultimate goal in
life is to be a trophy wife. If that is
not your cup of teeth, then by all means, keep
it pushing, no love lost, no hard feelings. I do
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not split bills. I I don't cook. I mean, I
mean I clean, but I don't cook. You know, cooking
it is not my ministry. I do not cook from
a place of joy, from a place of happiness. I
cook out of necessity and obligation and requirements. And I
frequent Swinkers clubs and I'm not planning on giving up
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my membership to any of the clubs that I frequent.
So if you aren't with none of that, then, by
all means, I wish you the best of luck on
your search, but I get it for you. I like that, though,
because I feel like you have to be straightforward with people,
like listen, this is what you're gonna get ain't know
in is bus about it? Okay mm hmmm. And I
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stand firm on my boundaries. Those are my boundaries. I'm
not willing to waiver. I'm not willing to bend. So
if you decide that you still are interested in me,
you still want to deal with me, this is what
it This is what it's going to cost you to
deal with me. Now, how long would you be being
an erotic content creator and a camp model? You also
sell your panties? How did that come about? Oh? That
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started back when I was happily stripping. Um, I would
have guys would ye? Girl? I I do live a
very interesting life only because traditional forms of employment just
aren't my jam. And that's what UM. That's why I
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am on social media as transparent as I am to
show other women that traditional form of employment may not
be for you. You have other options available. A regular
nine to five has never worked for me. UM. I
dyed my hair all kinds of colors. At one point
in time, my hair was lime green, it was March
Simpson blue. UM. For a few years, my hair is
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cotton candy pink. I have piercings in my face. You know,
I had this big gass tattoo on my forearm. So
even when I was education based, you know, I have
my master's degree in education, pursuing in education. Uh hum.
So even when I was in the classroom actively teaching,
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you know, my personality is still big and larger than life.
And you know, my classes were lit. You know, I
was having fun with my students, and parents would complain
because well, every time I come in there, they're playing. No,
your students are actively engaged. Um, I'm a non traditional teacher.
You know, as long as I'm still meeting the industry standards.
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How we get there shouldn't matter as long as we're
still meeting our mark. So, like I said, traditional forms
of employment just don't work for me because of my
personality and who I am as a person, as an individual.
So I try to find alternative forms of employment that
allowed me to be me, that allowed me to be quirky,
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be fun, being tergetic, wild, to be free. So then
how are you talking about with the whole painting thing?
Is that you were stripping and used Oh oh yes,
I was broke. I'd be going continuous, but I think
you're bringing because I feel like people think they have
to be one dimensional in order to get where they
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need to get to. And you don't have to be
like that in order to succeed. M hm, not at all.
There is over a seven people in the world. That
means there's over seven different types of personalities, different kind
of job opportunities. You just have to create your own
land and do what works best for you. But as
far as the panti selling goes, I was stripping back
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in the day and one of my clients would literally
when I would take much you know you, when you strip,
you take the blows off and ship. I would take
my bottoms off and my client would talk at them
all the time, and I'm like, dude, like give me
my dance bottoms, like I got another set to do
one stead of manute saying you over here fucking with
my money. He was like, no, but I just want
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them so well, these should say cheap. You know my
understand it's a little piece of that. It's the fabric
called Fords six. Right. You have to either run me
my panties or run me some coin. He's like, I'll
just pay you for it. And he just started paying
me for him and I was like, you realize's just
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gonna buy my bottoms like this, Like I had a
dance back full of tops, but no fucking bottoms because
every time I would take them off when I would
dance for him, he would So can you make a
lot of money selling selling on panting because I feel
like that's a that's a thing now too. Yes, it is,
um and it became. It was always popular, but um,
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regular women weren't interested in it, didn't know nothing about
it until or just the New Black, you know, when
they had a I Want not a mini episode co
and went three or four episodes dealing with the whole
panty selling thing or whatever. Um, then a lot of
women like, oh my gosh, I can sell my panties.
I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, it's been
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a thing, and I know there's a site now, there's
a couple of sites out there. Um, I my base
rates starts and and then you think about it. You know,
you can go to Victoria's Secrets. They got what the
three for thirty five or five for thirt I don't
know my booty too, beauty the shafter Victoria's Secret. So, um,
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you can go to Rainbow and get panties for like
mm hmm right or um, even if you get your
panties custom made or you make your own panties, because
that's the thing. Also, my base price starts at fifty
dollars for us to even have a conversation about my panties,
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fifth and ells off top. I don't sell them less
for fifty bucks. Um. Some guys want you to wear
them two or three days. I charge an additional fee
for extra day. Some guys want to see you in
a picture of your panties. I charged for the picture
of my Pantif meet in those panties, they want you
to orgasm in your panties, I charge additional fees for that.
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So you can make quite a pretty penny selling yours,
and not just your pennies. You can sell your bras,
your shoes, your socks, the razors from when you shave
your legs. I yes, ma'am, I no longer shave. I
get waxed so I have some money. Come with me
when I go get waxed, to record me getting waxed,
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and I sell the video content. You're not playing with
this bag, baby, not at all. I'm selling everything but
the kids just saying I like to make the joke,
do everything it's up for sell ass and move weight
and for legal purposes. I would ever admit to for
advice that you do with it. Now. I know you
have an academy where you teach women about becoming a
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phone sex operator. Can you tellch a little bit about that? Um? Um, No,
I can't. I was actually working with the academy, but
we are no long But I still do no not mine,
not mine, you know. I just I support black women
in the industry. I support my own social circle before
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I go out and spend money elsewhere. So they were
already doing it and up and running this ship. So
I'm like, Okay, what's this y'all out here already doing
it and that funk with y'all heavy, So let me
assis to do what I can. But we're no longer
in partnership together, so I do my own thing on
the side. I still mentor women. I still help women,
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it's just no longer. Because I was looking at looking
at one of your YouTube videos and you've got a
lot of callers on Earth. Yeah I do. Um, I've
helped over women, and I want to say it's more
than that. I don't necessarily keep counting because for one,
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I that that kind of time and I'm always posting
free game on Facebook and stuff like that and giving
out resource or says that when I when I learned something,
I want to teach the next assists. I just learned
how to do this, came here, Let me show you,
let me teach you. Um. I started the BAY group
on Facebook. Facebook. Um, it's a Facebook group for black
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adult entertainers, you know, the Bay Group. And it's because
when I've noticed when I was in these other groups
where it was a mixture, a mixed crowd in there,
all of the girls, all the black girls. When they
would ask questions or ask for help or need resources
or whatever, they would get overlooked. Their posts would get deleted. Um,
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they would get condescending remarks since night comments and ship. Um,
black women already have to work twice as hard for
half as much in this industry. I'm not going. You know,
we shouldn't have to be in the space where you're
handing us you're asked to kiss every day. So I
decided to be the chance that I wanted to see
in the world. And it's okay. I don't like the
way these groups are being ran. Let me start my
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own group. That way I can make sure the black
women are getting the resources and the information that they need.
And I was talking to my other home girl, she's escort.
She was telling me how there's a lot of racism
within the sex working industry, which is funked up. There
is very much so, but then yeah, I'm not surprised
because most definitely, like in any industry that we're in,
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we have to work twice as hard for half as much.
Even in my ESL communities. You know, I teach you
on mine and ship, and it's the same thing when
the black teachers are in these other groups, these predominantly
white groups, and we asked questions, we get attacked. Um,
then when we you know, snap back and ship, they
want to cry and be a victim all of a sudden.
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And it's the same way. So it doesn't matter what
industry you're in. White people still saw what they did
a capital hill, capital hill climbing walls and ship. K girl,
have that been U listen a whole different airline. You
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already know. But before we leave, I'm just curious, and
I feel like we all have a financial goal, but
I feel like you you're trying to get to a
certain goal, are you Because you do a lot girl
piezds ain't cheap. Um, I don't necessarily have a financial goal. Um.
At one point in time, oh two point in times
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in life, I found myself homeless, and had I had
the resources and the knowledge that I have now that
I did not have back then, I would not have
found myself in those positions. So my only goal is
to never be homeless again. That's a fact. Where are
you proud of all things that you've accomplished so far?
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Very much so? UM, I listen, I have come a
long way. And this is the conversation for another time.
I hope invited back to go into more detail. But um,
from where I started to where I am today, says,
this is nothing of growth. I am not supposed to
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be here, you mean, So for me to be here
and to have accomplished all that I've accomplished, to be
pursuing my PhD, to have a brand that's growing and
that's positive, to actually be doing something with my life,
that's a huge accomplishment and itself. Well, I appreciate you
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for taking the time about your schedule to come speak
to us, and I definitely want to invite you back
to the show because I know you have a story
because you were a lot of hats in your time. Yeah, yeah,
we we, We don't have to talk. You know, next time,
I have to get a ball of tequila bring the
tissues because you want to add so I guess I
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say hi, Hey girl, Hey. Please make sure to email
me at hello at the Professional homegirl dot com. And
until next time, everyone Later Yah
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