September 24, 2019 • 53 mins
On this week’s episode, I had the pleasure of interviewing a successful webcam model. She shares her journey on how she transitions from a certified massage therapist to webcamming, her first introductory to back page, and why she goes so hard for hoes. This episode was beyond hilarious but it was so good. Many gems in this one.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome. You are now listening to the Professional Professional. Hey guys,
(00:37):
welcome to this week's episode of the PSD podcast. Is
Your Girl Ever Night? And I'm super excited about this
week's episode. Um, before we begin, please make sure to
follow me at the Professional Home Girl, at the PSD podcast,
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keep in mind that all of my guests are anonymous.
So let's begin this week's episode. So, I am super
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excited about interviewing my this week. She is a successful,
well helped webcam model and I thought it was so
funny because you really gave me a Google number, not
your real number. Interviews. Well, I wasn't sure. You never know,
you know, like these guys to be sneak. Oh no,
I'm like, girl, if you don't give me a real number,
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well that's why I told you. I was like, maybe
I should tell her, I don't know what she's gonna
do with this number, and she might be real. So
I feel like you have lived at pretty or you
are living a pretty colorful life. And I'm not just
saying that because you are a successful welcome model, but
because I feel like you have so many you have
had so many transitions in your life. So I did
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my research turning you. I watched helple of your videos.
I went on your website and you have over a
hundred thousands of views. That's either starw on your YouTube page,
on pouring hub videos, backpage content, and just your date
one clients and people who just really love your brand.
So the reason why I'm saying is because, uh, I
get the vibe that you're a very spiritual person. I
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can kind of get that feeling from you. Now, how
do you stay grounded through it all? Um? I actually
started a movement called in her Agriculture, and it's kind
of basically the way I lived my life, like when
I based my life off of and it kind of
took the place of quote unquote religion. So it's it's
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kind of like my own if you will. Okay, So
at the age of three, you shared that you saw
a show of a woman stripping and you were somewhere
fascinated by it. Yeah, why was that? I was? You know,
she just looked like she was having so much fun.
And you know, I mean, I'm kind of like a
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nutice by nature, if you will, Like, I just don't
really like prefer clothes and um, so she had on like,
you know, bathing suit or something. But she she was
just like danced around and maybe she was like spin
on polar something. It just looked fun. I'm gonna be that.
Plus I love to dance. I mean, dancing is like
in my genetics. So it's like the two combined that things.
What made me like like, oh, so fast forward to
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third grade and I literally watched like most of your videos.
So fast forward to third grade. You're giving your parents
massages and that kind of sparked the interest and you
become a massage therapist. What made you interested in that? Um?
I think it's just a natural thing. Um, some people
have it, some people don't. Then the nature to want
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to heal something. I was gonna say that. You did
say you feel like you're a healer. Yes, I am
a healer. I've healed animals, children, I worked for hospice.
Um I yeah. And then of course the regular spaw
environment and so on and so forth. So yeah, I'm
pretty well versed with the world of massage. So you
moved to l A and you decided to go to
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schools for massage therapy. How was that experience? And then
at the time. I also heard that she was married.
I was so I met a guy, we became roommates, um,
and then we were married. And but before we got married,
I was already in massage school. Um. Basically, when I
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moved to l A, I moved there for um acting
modeling type stuff, mostly acting, and um, hoping it just
like get some modeling gigs on the side to you know,
get some extra income and stuff. So I am I
was looking for a job. I'm somewhat of like I
guess the mastermind, and it's like, I don't know how
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long it's gonna take me to do this job until
I actually make my Greig break quote unquote right. So
I'm like, I need something that I would love to do,
something that's fun. And I was already in real estate
for like ten years, and that just real estate takes
up too much of your time. So I couldn't yeah, exactly,
like I couldn't even afford the time to do that,
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to actually be able to go on auditions. So I
see back thing like why don't want to be a
waitress or a bartender like everybody else? That's just so cliche,
And um, somebody actually made the suggestion some guy being
funny like, oh, I know her, you should do massages
And I was like, oh wait, no, yeah, that's actually
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that's a bomb mass idea, like thank you. And he
was like, oh, you're gonna give happy endings and all
this stuff, and I really was clueless. I'm like, sure,
everybody's gonna be happy whatever. So I remember you saying
that too, because you didn't really know what happy in
this world. I mean a lot of people didn't know.
I didn't know what a whole lot of stuff was
and I'm still learning stuff every day. So you became
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a central massage therapist. Why do you think there's always
negative connotation negative connotations with massages massages? Because I don't
hear a lot of people look down on that. So
I wouldn't say a lot of people look down I
think that for one, um, I think a lot of
people are curious if they've never actually received a massage.
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So like, first of all, it's gonna be the most
ignorant people that are going to feel a certain type
of way about massage in general. Now, in massage therapy school,
in massage history class, we actually learned about this and
this has been going on since the beginning of time,
since massage has ever created, it has always had a
sexual connotation with it as well, so it always kind
of got like this weird like pseudo, like, Okay, we
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know it's really good for this, but something like this
might happen. And they even were talking about how way
way way back in the day they would have these,
you know, basically massage parlors where they described it as
you would get at best, a really shitty massage and
a happy ending. But this goes back to the beginning
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of time, like but before America, so happy ending been
around since forever. Well yes, forever, and men's penises have
always just gotten hard forever. So if you get it,
then that's why. Back in the day, a lot of
the massage therapists used to be like in the black
and white days, like in the fifties and stuff, a
lot of massage therapists were men. They weren't women, and
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that was so yeah, like for like athletes and for
um and for like movie stars and stuff like, Yeah,
they would have like real you know, big men come
in there and beat them up like they need a
good one, not like some little frilly, delicate lady. When
they didn't really start letting women massage over here and
thinking for like a while. So when you started your business,
it was a mobile massage business. Yes, my very first
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massage business. I started with a mobile massage and then
it was taken off. Yeah, so I got a d
u I. M yeah, it was my second. It was
my second DUI. So they took my car. It was
like I was, I was like three months away from
finishing my probation. It was just a very crazy transition
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in my life, right, um at that moment. So yeah,
so I got that and so they took my car,
and um I did. I was staying with a friend
at the time and she just so happened to have
an extra vehicle, so she let me use that. Um
and then uh, I kind of did that for a
while until I moved out of her place and moved
into my own. And then that's when I started doing
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the in call instead of mobile spam. So who will
introduced you to back page? Because I think that story
was like you would have never thought you'd be in
the therapist, and then later you get introduced backstage, back backstage,
backchage would be like correlated to each other. Who introduced
you to that. So because whenever I left my job
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at my five star hotel um as a massage therapist,
I decided, Okay, I'm gonna start this mobile spall um,
and so I just went on Google. Well, first of all,
I was already like an elite yelper, so I was
really really good the Yelp, so I knew I could
put my business on Yelp to start. Then I just
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started doesn't really work? Oh my gosh, are you kid me?
I was like the number one massage therapists in uh
in l a um based off of you help. I mean,
I had a lot of celebrities and like big wigs
and stuff called me just off of my Yelp. But
then I also had ones that I acquired from my
five star hotel that I used to work at as well.
So um yeah, no, Yelp definitely works. Um. I found
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like my vets there whenever Max husband and I had dogs.
I found my allergists there. On yelled, I found like
like so many every everything, every everything. I pretty much
you need, I go to yelp. But then I just
started searching the web in general, like for massage um um.
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What are they called directories? Lord, I kept trying to
say dictionary. I'm like, that's not it, that's not director directory.
So then I just started looking at every type of
massage directory and I got busy and I just started
like putting my name and information plastering it all over
the internet anywhere I could find. Yeah, and then eventually
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I ran into back Page. And so is the page
before you continue, because I know a lot of people
that may not be familiar with that. So back Page
is uh a former formerly known as Backpage. It's it's
a website that's no longer in existence. Um the government
shut it down last year, I believe. Yes, yes, it
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was a very big uh scandal, uh child sex trafficking
and maybe some child stuff too. I think, um, yeah,
the case isn't really like it's like everything's pending right now,
so like everyone's waitness he was gonna pop off with
the owners from Backpage and stuff like that. So anyways,
it's basically they they made Okay. So Craig's list was
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the first one Craig and on Craig's List they had
back in the day, they had a massage section also
had um uh um like sensual massage. They had escort section,
and then they also had like dating, and they had
different types of dating sections as well. All these things
were kind of like falling together type of category and
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so um because over the years now they Craigslist have
gotten rid of the whole dating no miss meets nothing
no more. They're like, y'all do it too much. Um. So,
so we started off on Craiglist, but then what start
happening was the Craigslist killer, right right, And so then
when the Craigslist killer came, they were like, all right,
so we're gonna like turn this feature off. So when
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they turned the massage feature off of Craigslist, that's when
Backpage was born. Backpage literally looked like a skeleton of Craigslist,
except the only difference was it was Backpage. And if
you looked in the sections where it's like jobs or
like schooling or gigs or something like that, you're going
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there and you would be like crickets wow, like like
oh this ship y'all ain't even ain't nobody over here,
you know, but mother massages and f coorts like maybe
one car being sould maybe like a couple of spot jobs.
And over time more people started feeling up I was
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gonna say. Now the words started spreading, Oh man, like wildfire.
Now this is this all happened before I discovered back page,
So this is all I'm just crazy. It's a whole
another world, it really like. That's so that's kind of
part of why I got into it. Um. I'm just
a very curious person. I always have been, and I'm
and I'm nosy and I'm not and I just love
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to know everything, you know, I'm on them why babies?
Why why? And so like, Yeah, when I discovered um
back page, it was like at the time, I was
still married, I was just doing I'm just doing my job.
I was focused. I'm zip zip zooming through the internet.
Run across um you know what. No, no, no, no, no, no,
no sorry. I ran across Craigslist and I hit a
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woman up about doing massage in her place because a
lot of people want to in call, which in calls
means that they come to you. But I do an
alcohol at the time, which means they come to you, right,
and no alcohol means I go to them in call me.
I know, I used to I think the same thing too.
I used to think it was opposite. I used to
think that in Camment out and out comment, and but
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no in called me. They come into you and out
called me, and you go out to them like a
doctor call. Yeah. So like um so basically, um, I
was on Craigslist, um, looking for a room that I
could rent because I was like, man, I'm making really
good money, you know what I'm saying, like just doing
the I can't imagine the amount of money he was making.
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Oh my gosh. And in l A too. Some days
I would drive all like I would do like I
would do up to five six massages a day, like
and I was charging two a massage and that was
just for regular massage. Damn. So how much a good
one day, a good one week? Oh um, back in
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those days when it was just regular massage. Um, let's
see here, should go to calculations. I know, I'm like,
I'm like I would say, I would say I would
make anywhere from like for to six hundred a day, damn.
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But it would be like maybe out only work for yeah,
you want to work that much? Or five days? Right,
so like some days I might only do one and
then some days I might get like five or something
like that. And so I kept my car like fully stocked, loaded,
everything prepped up. I was always dressed ready to rock
and roll. I used to have my little uniform because
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I was so used to working in such an organized environment.
I was able to take my ethics on the road.
So it was I always wear my little Tory virch
Balerinea's us um slipper like shoes, and then I had
on like Lulu limn uh yoga pans and like the tops.
And then I would have like cardigans, like a cardigan
that would be like a very moderate when that would
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cover my butt because she has to cover your butt
a little bit, and um, you know you take that
off when you get down and dirty. When the time
dr massage, like when you're doing d tissue or regular
stuff whatever, lazy and I would keep me in my back.
I would keep like up to like four or five
you know, sheet sets already folded up, prepackaged. Boom boom
boom boom boom. You were just ready. I was ready
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to rock and roll. And so um yeah, so that's
how much I was getting. And then, um, but as
soon as I started doing that, I mean, stuff took
off really quick. I left my husband like not too
long after that, Like within less than a month. But anyway,
so what happened was I got on craig. I got
on Craigslist and I was like, Yo, there's gotta be
somewhere I can do this in call stuff that people
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keep asking me about, because I can be making even
more money. So this lady and she was like she
had this operation. I might even gonna get into details
her operation. Her ship was smooth but anyway, um, well
it don't lasted for so long, but it was smooth.
But she was like she was renting rooms to therapists
and stuff providers, so like, um, she wasn't there, but
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she had already set up, like the little key in
the lock on the outside and you go inside and boom,
the supply is already there ready for you and all
this stuff. You had a safe in there, you pop
your money in the envelope, put it in. Yeah, it
was like a whole like situation, and it was like
it was a literation, Like it was like so awesome.
I was like, oh, I'm about to get one of these.
I'm about to get one of my space out too.
You know. I'm like I'm boss mode. So I'm like okay,
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So anyway, um, when I was talking to her. She
was like, well, you know, I really like to keep
it to low as far as like how many providers
I have, you know, in the space, because well, she
doesn't want she doesn't want it to not be available
when we need it. You wanted to be able, so
she would try to keep it to a low amount
of girls that way. You know. Pretty much it's it's
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the chance that was all having beside at the same
time or slim, but you know, she just wanted a
few girls. So anyways, she was like, I'll, you know,
put you on like a trial and see how oh
you do, because if you can't get X amount of
you know, um money, uh in a week or so,
you know, I'm have to let some mother girls try.
And so I'm like scared, like, oh no, you know,
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I gotta I gotta make sure I'm hitting the quota.
She didn't give you one, but I'm like, okay, don't worry,
I'll make you proud, you know. Like so then like, um, finally,
after a week, I was like telling her, I said,
I'm doing okay, but I feel like I could be
doing more. You know, is there something I don't know?
Is there maybe some websites I don't know about. She's like,
where all are you posted? So I told her and
she was like okay, She's like, you're not on backpage.
I was like, what's that? And she's like girl, and
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she was and she's a black woman too. I never
ever met her. I never saw her in my life,
but we used to talk for years like everything. So,
like she was like, girl, you don't know about back
page good girls getting their money from? She said, how
are you getting all these clients there? I said, because
I'm professional and I'm good. I guess I don't know.
Like whatever. She's like, girl, you need to go on
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backpage and you need to you need to do that
and try that and see what happens. I said, okay,
So I go in back Page and that's when I
discovered it. And that's when I was like, oh, look
like Craigslist. And that's when I was like, oh, if
it ain't much, okay. So then I like going to
the massage section. I'm like, next to the massages, it
was like body rubs. I was like, if I had,
I'm like that sounds anyway, that ain't my business. I
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ain't here for that section. Let me click on my ship,
my my business. So I'm like over there and I
see the other girls. I kind of look at the competition,
you know what I'm saying. I'm like, oh wow, okay,
I'm not gonna look at nobody. I'm just gonna post
my ship here. Okay, I don't care what y'all doing.
I'm advertising something totally different, so whatever, I'm not scared.
And I mean, like, I had my birth name on there,
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my regular legal phone number. I had no idea like
this is like a thing. I mean I put my
regular name and phone number all over the web on
all the other directories. I didn't think of it as
anything different. So um yeah. So that's how I discovered
back Page. And then she was kind of like, oh,
you could get more. I'm sure did you put anything
in body rubs and like body rubs like that damn word?
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I'm like, what the hell is that? Like it's kind
of like the same thing. Well yeah, but because you
said that in one of your videos, but you teld
you were sharing a story how you had a client
and I guess you went to his house whatever and
he was like, are you gonna take your top off?
And you was like what yes exactly. And I guess
that's when you realize, like, oh, ship, I see why
girls are charging this much because extra Yeah. Well see
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that's the thing. It's like I was already charging two
hundred just because of micare dential, just because of my resident,
because she was qualified, right and so like in certified
and ensured, don't play so okay, So like, um, I
was doing it for a few months before that one guy,
you know, happy to say something. Nobody else had said
anything to me, nobody tried to make me give them
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happy ending they were happy to pay that two hundred
dollars And uh, that's crazy how people would buy massages
by fat Page. Oh my god, that's all it was.
I mean, well it was yeah, just for mostly just
sexual services, I guess, like you know, whether it's body
rubs or whether it was oh I mean they even
had a section in they're a little key for like
webcam models and stuff you could like, um, you could
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even put if you were a stripper, like where you
work or you do or if you do private uh dances,
and all kind of all kinds of stuff like that,
and then everything else when there was just fake but
um yeah, so um, after a while, that's not happened
with that guy. And that's when I started asking my
other clients, like, let me see if this mother trying
to treat me, because I'm all new over here and ship.
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So I was like, I know other girls are advertising
that way, but you know, so all my other clients
were like yeah, after like three or four or five
of them that that were like my regulars, they were
like yeah, pretty much all the other girls yep, yep,
they at least take their shirt off. Yeah yeah, And
I'm like what wait, wait, no, well you know that's
not my business. Okay, so when for so, when did
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you get to the point where you start taking me
a quote, your shirt off? When I after I because
I when I left my husband, I went immediately into
a relationship with a man and I was living with
him that was my boyfriend, and so I was still
super square and straight laced, and then um, after I
broke up with him, then I was working for this
drug dealer. So then I kind of wasn't massagy anymore
for a little bit. But then after I got arrested,
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which was in the same month, and I ended up
getting my t wait wait, wait, what she was doing
with the drug dealer. I was. I was his driver
and I was his assistant. I'm telling I'm not gonna
drop celeb names because I respect but uh yeah, we
used to like you know, we had like the party
like you know, celebs and stuff. It wasn't just like
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standing on the corner like selling coke or something that
was like, No, we were in there, like we were
all kinds of like we were there the night Kevin
Hart got his the UI, you know what I'm saying,
like the v I p after hours everything, and like
my boss, he was just he was the man, and
so I liked him, and so I like forced myself
on him and I was like, let me work, let
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me like drive you and ship. You got a car,
you know, saying like he was like, oh my gosh,
fine girl whatever think like that either. So that was why,
And I was like, so I was, I've been I've
been living such like a sheltered you know, like super
like green life or Holy life or whatever you wanna
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call it. And so I was just ready to bust out.
I was just ready to just be out there, like
let me shake all this ship off and start over. Okay,
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Enjoy the top. Like why her Kevi of Heart likes
to get lit now we I never saw him doing
anything like that. I know he definitely gets very drunk.
(23:23):
I don't know what else, maybe smoke some we I
don't think he really does that. Some people call it whatever.
I don't think that he does. I've never seen That's
what they call cocaine some people. I just learned that
last year. I'm like, what is that? And I'm like,
oh my god, I'm like I sell that stuff. I
didn't even know that. I'm telling you, girl, I'm still
(23:45):
learning stuff. Like you know, it just never gets old.
It's like what is that? Every day I'm like, what
is that? Wait? One thing I know is about you
is you constantly keep saying you said it setting videos
that you were so green, you were such a square?
Does it? Did it bother you? How? Like I guess
naive you were so well actually okay, so yes, um,
(24:07):
Because when I started burning off stuff with the moon
I did. That was the very first thing I wrote
down to burn off out of my life was naivety
so yes. But but I made myself live that life.
I chose that life on purpose because I was a
little bit certain to like just do what I wanted
to do and just kind of be buck wild, not
buck wild like my buck wild is different from other people.
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But still, you know, I was kind of just I
needed some discipline. I needed a man in my life
or a friend in my life that was kind of like,
you know, square, because that's that's the way that work.
Like I don't need I'm crazy enough. I don't need
to my person that I'm with it, whether it's a
friend or a lover. I don't need them to be
booked wild like me. Yes exactly, So like I might
(24:51):
not be actually book by, but my spirit is book
while you know what I'm saying, like people to tell
they don't even know me, like girl, you look fun
and I'm like, oh my god, why every time I
can't even just walk to the store. You know, I
can look any kind of way. People swear I'm just
turned up, and I'm like, well, I guess I am.
My spirit is for sure. But so yeah, I always
talked about how how you know my Basically it was
(25:13):
like I started over and I made myself super. It
was basically like you know how you can talk about
like oh, back in the day I used to do drugs,
you talk about drug days. This was literally like another
type of drugs. Like I went from drug days to
like super sober beyond without a doubt like phase. So like, um,
I've also been vegan before, and I've been I've done
(25:35):
so many things that I've done everything for like years
at a time. I don't do just like, yeah, I
changed my whole lifestyle around and you know, and as
long as it works, That's where I'm at. Until it
stopped working, and then I mean, right, I think that's
a good point you made. If you don't work anymore
or if it doesn't no longer serve you, let it go.
That's it, and that's what you have to do. And
that's like, that's what that whole burning stuff off is
(25:57):
like on the paper or whatever, like, Yeah, you write
down the stuf in your life that no longer serves
you any purpose, and you burn that ship. So once
you built your clientele from massage, how did you transition
into a webcam? Okay, so what happened with that was
so first of all, when I decided to start doing
the um it was after so it was after the
(26:20):
guy worked for, right, and then I was living with
that lady, So that's when I started doing the massage
stuff again. But then now at this point, I don't
have um a man and I don't want a man,
and like I got tired of dudes trying to talk
to me that I would meet and then like they
all just ended up the same and it was just
like pointless. And I was like, you know what, what
(26:40):
about this happy ending ship, because that would be good
for me. It'll like help me relieve some you know,
like I don't get I don't get horny, Like I'm
not one of those types of people. But I might ovulate,
you know what I'm saying. I ovulate once a month.
I might feel a little certain type of way. It
was like that will allow me to channel that energy.
Plus I'm always curious, like is really going on? Plus mat,
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you'll have to make a whole lot of extra money.
Plus this is sounded like a good idea. I didn't,
but I didn't do it. Through back the age, I
started working at this spa um again, another place where
celebrities would come, low key like not gonna name those
people either, but it was like this fifty dollars for
an hour massage and we would get twenty five and
(27:22):
the spa will get twenty five. It was like the
bougie I don't even want to call it a rubbing
tug because it really wasn't. It was like one of
those places. So they have this thing called rub maps
that people can go on and they can actually look
it up and see, like what the rating is of
the girls in a spa, like if they grab your
penis or not? Like who does what's their name? Who
to asked for it's a whole like, yeah, it's a
(27:45):
whole website. And so on that website. Um, that spat
that I was working at, we were actually not ranked
that high because none of the girls were like that.
We weren't like just in there like you know what
I'm saying. It was like it was like no, like
I'm not gonna do this, like like some of the guys,
(28:05):
like I saw some of the guys in the comments
that you like, oh see y'all just don't know because
y'all don't go here like that. See us regulars, we
know what time it is because they trust us. You
have to build up a trust with them before they're
gonna do that for you. They're not gonna just do
that if you just come in a spat like that. Right,
It was like a different kind of It was like
a classy, trashy place, you know what I'm saying. Like
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I always liked the best of the best, So yeah,
that's where. So that's where I I started there first,
and you know, and I made the first my first client.
Of course, I was like okay, here we go. And
I'm like I made him, Like I was like, okay,
so he about to ask me I know he's about
(28:46):
to ask me. In my life, ain't nobody ever asked me?
But I know because I let the wall down. I
noticed man and he asked me, and I said, all right, listen,
now you going out to help me with this? I
don't know what the hell to do? But what did
he actually like? Little? Did? Um? So? First of all,
I get to be really careful with that. People tend
to not use exact words because it's very illegal. Oh
that's true. I learned that from another episode from Uh.
(29:09):
She was like, girl, yes, I know. People, You're right,
that's get some book wild questions. It's like, even if
the answers yes, you've totally ruined those chances. Yeah, that's
because if you because first of all, if that's all
that you're looking for, then no, that's not gonna work.
But if you know what I'm saying, if you're just
looking for a good session and you're hoping that it's
(29:30):
a really good match for you to see this therapist,
often like that's how you start to get like super
major amazing relationships like sugar daddies and stuff, and it
becomes really awesome. Then you know, it's like it's like
I used to treat backpage like tender because because I
was single and like majority of my clientele would be
would be between the ages of eighteen and twenty six,
they still are, um, so I couldn't really like so
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it was like it was cool, Like I don't really
get a lot of guys asked me like come on,
like trying to pressure me into like, you know, giving
them happy end is. I usually can just convince them
to do it to themselves because they're young and they well,
they just they usually don't. The younger guys are not
usually in it because they need a hand job, right.
The older guys are because they need that affection. The
(30:15):
younger guys they're in it because they're curious. They're young men.
They want to get touched by real woman. They love
them a mill and they I mean, there's most young
men have a thought in their mind. They at least
want to like try like a massage, a stripper or
a prostitute at some point in their life. Most men
want to try something that they could pay for it.
(30:36):
That's a little bit freaky. So what the what's the
difference between porn and web panel? Okay, so porn um So,
first of all, pornography is like, um, usually intercourse is involved,
but I guess it doesn't have to because it could
be different things. But porn is like more professional, right,
(30:59):
So that's why they call it amateur porn um. But
originally like pornography was, you know, filmed um video, it
wasn't live webcamping is live broadcasting, so you can also
record that and then turn it into a video and
this sell that and it's kind of like amateur porn.
So were you nervous when you first started doing the videos?
(31:21):
Because I saw some of your videos and I thought
you was just doing like your welcoming. But then I
saw you on pub porn hub and I was like, oh, ship, okay,
it looks like it. Don't look like you're nervous, like
but I did see on porn Hub that you was
charging a fee to see certain videos, so um, for one, no,
(31:46):
I'm an actress, so to me, you are funny as hell.
Well I'm I'm also a clown. My dad calls me
Lucy like I really can't help it, mum, But because
I'm an actress. So what happened was whenever I decided,
when I started getting into this um, when I love
(32:06):
my husband. I started to living my best life and
being free and I could do whatever I want to do. Now.
I decidedn't want to start taking pole dance classes because
this girl that I was I had become really good
friends with and we were taking acting classes together. She
used to take pole and she teach pole and I
was like, oh, man, too bad. I can't do that.
You know what I'm saying, Like, there's no way my
husband's gonna let me sucking start pole dancing and ship,
(32:27):
Like when am I gonna tell the church? So like
I'm gonna tell the praise and Worship team, Sorry, guys,
I can't come on Tuesdays anymore. I've got pole dancing class.
So like. Um, so that was like one of the
things I wanted to get into. But then within that, um,
there were certain things that I need to conquer as
an actress. Um. One of those things was my acting
coach made me start going to karaoke. He was like,
(32:48):
you need singing. I'm like, I'm not a singer. Um,
I'm a perfectionist. I think it's pointless for me to
go up there and try to just hold a tune.
I am singing back up to somebody or something. He's like, no,
you need to do this. You need to break free,
like you know, if you're having too much ego, you
need to just let that go. And I'm like, oh
my god. Whatever. So finally I did one day and
it really didn't change my game. So then, um, now
(33:08):
I'm just kind of on my own. I'm not even
going to class nomore. I'm not. I'm just stopped everything
and I'm starting everything over. So I'm like, you know what,
I really what is the most like uncomfortable thing that
I can think of, like whether it's like modeling or acting,
and it's and it's the sexy thing. I used to
hate that and people would be like, oh, you're sexy
or they were like tell me, They're like, oh yeah,
(33:29):
like look sexy like that key. I don't know. As
soon as you say sexy, I freeze up. What the
fund did? I don't know what that means. But I
can't make myself be sexy. It's not my fault you
think I'm sexy. I'm not trying to be sexy. So
I can't emulate this thing that y'all are talking about.
So it was always like, well, what kind of actress
would you be, like what kind of roles would you play?
And it's like I need every role except for probably
a sexy role like I'm goofy, I'm silly, like that's
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not that's not really my ship or whatever. So then
I made it my business to try to conquer that
in real life. And so then I are did the
pole dance classes, which really awakened a lot of my
feminine fluid movement. And then from there, um, I was
already doing the sensual massage stuff. So then it started
making me like like like I would like practice. I
(34:14):
would like practice like seducing my clients like certain ways
and like like just like without even touching them, you
know what I mean, just like moving and then like
um and then some type of way. Um. I fast forward,
my little brother came to visit me. Vine had just
come out. He was like, you should get on Vine
and starts working. You'll get a whole lot of fans
(34:35):
real fast. My little brother was eighteen. I was like,
what wait, you don't care if I work on Vine?
He was like, what, no, and send me your fans.
I was like okay, like I don't even know too
many fans for but okay, I'm like, that's funny because
(34:55):
I started a whole second Instagram just to take like
pictures of me, like in my workout close like sports,
braw and pennies. That's when girls first started doing that
on Instagram and ship. And I was like, I started
a whole new one just because I didn't want you
to like see your gett embarrassed or like I didn't
care about my parents or nothing like that. He's like, no,
I don't care. I'm like, well shit, all right. So
I started working online. I started trying to be a
(35:15):
real strip but oh that's the other thing. I started
going to strip clubs and I would study strippers like
two three days a week. I was like, for like
a month straight. I would just go to strip clubs
like every like every other day, and I watched them
and I would just study them, and I was and
it's so funny here and j Low talk about the
Hustler movie. I'm like, bitch, been there, done that. I'm
still getting a T shirt. So anyway, so it just
(35:35):
kind of became like a thing. And so then I
started I was like, you know what, I want to
try to work at a real strip club. But I
needed a name to the first name I came up with,
it was kind of groofy. Then I was trying to
come up with another name just for like the backpage
thing and like having this other like persona because I
couldn't be my birth name anymore. That I met she
was like, girl, what you doing with your government name
on back page? But you crazy? So I had to
(35:56):
meet up a name. So I made up one name.
That name was like, then I make up another name.
I'm like, okay, we're getting better. And then I came
up with the name I have now. And then I
think I've made one or two more since then, and
it just became an addiction to like start creating these characters,
these alter egos, right, So, um, I created this one
and that's kind of like that was So that's where
this character started online. So that's how come I was
(36:20):
so comfortable, um with myself because I don't look at
it like I'm actually trying to be sexy. It's like
I'm actually just acting like I'm sexy and it works.
So I know it. When you webcam, I know, like
what is involving because I know you polled, as I
know you stripped, Like what else do you do, I
(36:40):
mean for me personally, or you mean on like on
the website in general, Well, just you personally, just me personally.
Um so I rant, I rave, I lecture, I cook,
I clean, I make my bed, I do my makeup,
I do my hair, and you have clients to pay close. Well,
(37:02):
I have an observatory yet, so like you cound title
your room whatever you want to, and if you're having
a come show, you're gonna title league, you know, come
show you're having this or that. Mine's usually just an observatory.
I do have days where I do have certain shows though,
where I dressed up in theme and I come on
camera's hair and make up ready, you know, and that's
where I'm like got the music playing and I got
the pole popping or um you know. Or I'm on
(37:25):
the couch and like we're doing like whatever the theme is.
I'll do that sometimes, but for the most part, it's
just an observatory because I'm usually trying to kill three
in foe birds with one stone, because because I do
everything myself, and it's really hard to like it's a lot, yeah,
because it's a lot of hours you after broadcast to
make the kind of money I need to do the
things that I need to do, which also why I
(37:45):
started got got back into massagy again. So I was
about to ask you about that. So webcam and I
look into business for you right now or just in general. Yes,
webcamming pays all my bills, but that's good. Yes, but
I have big I have bigger goals than that. I am.
Just paying my bills does not make me move forward faster. Yeah,
(38:09):
I need to get equipment. I need to get you know,
there's just there's a lot of mostly equipment stuff is
what I need to get. An equipment is very expensive
because I know one video you was you I can
tell that you was tired, but you still look really good.
And he was just saying, how like you've literally been
up all day? Is I think you finished like around
two or three o'clock and you freshen up and it
(38:30):
was morning time. Yeah, something I do. I do pull
twenty four hours sometimes I work in where between twelve
and eighteen hours a day. Wow, that's fun. But it's
your business. Yeah, it's my baby. I mean, it's like
it's an infant. So if you have an infant, it's
gonna keep you up as long as it keeps you up. Yeah,
tell me about it. I got about two infants and
(38:51):
they keep me up in real life where you mean
like energyically, No, just that I have my podcast and
then I have my beauty company, ebone Beauty. And like
you said, like when you're trying to like and I
also have an out of five, so it's like I
haven't out of five. You have these two businesses, you
have a social life, you have yourself, you have your
family and friends. Like it's really hard trying to balance everything.
(39:14):
So I can I can imagine what you go through
because you do twelve eighteen hours or twelve to twenty
four hours of this. Yes, And I really just tried to, like,
you know, make people leave me alone. I'm always like,
leave me alone and go away, Like if if it
wasn't for this, Like I don't leave my like where
I live. I live in a like I walk everywhere, right,
(39:35):
so like everything in here, movie theater, clubs, restaurants. Yeah,
where you live. From a little glimpses, I sorry, looked
really nice. So I know you have big girl bills. Yeah, yeah,
well not in the city I live in now. It's
not like it was in l A. You know, what
the same thing, thinking, that's that's kind of why I
left l A. But um, yeah, so it's a yeah,
(39:57):
it's it's you know, it's an upper middle class area,
but it's not the most most most or anything like that.
But it's very very convenient for me. I don't like
to drive, as you know. Ever since that, um, ever
since I got in trouble with driving twice, I said,
you know what, I need to pick one either drinking
or driving. Driving drinking, I would have to drink. I
don't need to drive anyway. I'm addicted to freedom. And
(40:20):
so even before I was drinking, I used to get
in trouble for stealing cars when I was young, Like
I just love, I love, just like I wasn't going
on where it's going to? Like Taco ball? Where are
you going? And then also when you post your videos
on other third party sites, you also get a percentage
from that, right or you get pretty much all of it? Okay, good, yes, yeah,
(40:42):
pretty much all of it? Like um. On the other
side to child, you have some of my listeners looking
for looking to a new job venture, Well, that is
something I'm actually I'm designing a blueprint to for for
you know, people who it's not only just for the
sex industry. I'll start off with that one, but big
stically it could be applied to anything. So I'm in
(41:03):
the process of creating that kind of program now because
I definitely have a lot of I have a lot
of mentees if you will or whatever that's like, okay,
what nexis? I'm like, all right, hold on, baby baby
steps now. Um. So normally when I have episodes, I
always ask my listeners or viewers if they want to
ask for my guests a questions. One of the questions
(41:24):
that somebody wants to know is have you ever ran
into someone that noticed you from one of your videos? Yes,
I definitely, um run into people that know me um
all the time, and in Las Vegas some um in
Miami because you have a lot of viewers in d C. Yeah,
and I've been doing this for a long time though. Yeah,
(41:47):
Becauld you started with a no, no, no, no, no,
not not this heck, no, do you know how old
I am? No I am. I'm telling my just overall
from your clients when you first started beside and he
was like, oh, you're talking about MS massage. Yeah, So
I'm just saying over that time from people just knowing
your faith period and from your transition, you and your
(42:07):
late thirties. Oh oh yeah, no, yeah, I started a
massage in my twenties. But I think people recognize me
from mine, Like, so do they mean do massage planes
recognize me from me? But no, they mean do people, um,
from your wealcaming your videos on different types and stuff.
Do they recognize you just on the street right? Okay?
(42:28):
Yeah yeah, but I was just saying because like, if
you've just been doing this for so long as far
as like all together, so I'm pretty sure people even
typing your name if you've been wanting by your first
name or your your stage name, you pop up and
oh I've seen her before. Well all of this, yeah,
all of this has started like since about two thousand fourteen.
(42:49):
But but really two thousand fifteen, Okay, is it hard
for you to date right now? It's not hard for
me to date. I have a situation ship. Okay, yeah,
but um, I don't want to date. I don't need
to date. I don't crave to date. Uh, it doesn't
really benefit me. Um, but I didn't meet somebody we
(43:12):
did fall in love however, Well, no, that's the thing.
It's a um, it's a girl. Okay, we don't know
what us no, no, yeah, no, we just we both
weren't trying to do that. You know. It was kind
of those things where I was like we were cool
and then we're like hey, it's like hey, well hey
(43:35):
remember right here, you know, heyy and it be something
like fun at night drunk thing, and then like we
just kind of like kept doing it every day all
day until it's like we're going to dinner and we're like,
I just got real gay real quick. I was like,
oh my god, we are so gay. Like we would
(43:55):
always just laugh because neither one of us were before
Let's ends or anything, but we were both freaks like
you know what I mean, but not like that. So yeah,
it kind of changed. But then also so she wants
to maybe have children one day and maybe a husband
or something like that, so we both decided it will
be best for her to kind of like, you know,
for us to not do that because we want to
(44:17):
keep that door open for her to have a little
normality if she wants in her life, and keep my
door open for me to continue focusing on my business
because when I get in a relationship like that my money,
like my weight went up and my money went down
like all the yeah, because it was like we were
just together like seven like, so I wasn't really working,
Like yeah, that's sad because I, yes, I just don't.
(44:41):
I do better with long distance relationships or we just
have restraint. But we've developed enough now to where we
only hang out like maybe twice somebody. We live in
the same apartments, but uh yeah, but that's how we met.
So she's been here the whole time. But you know,
so I run into her of course, and we talk
(45:02):
and we text and we hang out, but we just
do it on a much different skill than us being
completely just like obsessed with each other seven Like you know,
it got to the point where she was like really
upset because she couldn't have my kids. So that's how like,
you know, it was. It's just hard to explain when
we fall in love with like the same sex and
you're not it's like, what's going on, Oh my god,
(45:25):
this is not supposed to happen. Like wow, Okay, so
you've been in the industry for a couple of years,
now what's next for you? So basically other than um,
I'm using all my expertise to um branch out and
help others. I'm starting a nonprofit. UM it's gonna be
(45:48):
to help um, like domestic violence, women and children, and
then like you know, sex trafficking, UM, you know all that,
all that good old guys. UM. I'm not sure all
which what how far and deep it will go or
will I be very niche and kind of specific with it.
I don't know yet because I need to look into
So that's like the next kind of blueprint I'm setting
(46:09):
up for as far as direct outreach in like my
local community. And then I'm also about to start doing
UM so I'm gonna start getting more into like the
musical side of ship. And I'm about to start a
talent show here local and I'm working with the producer,
and I'm about to start making some mixtapes and then
we're gonna go on a tour. And I mean, uh yeah,
(46:29):
we have like all this, all this stuff. And then
plus I have all my content I'm creating, and I'm
in a process of shifting everything to where I can
actually have an only fans because I was debating for
so long like should I get one? But everybody has
one now and now I know some girls that have
one and they make so much money. I'm like, it
would be easier if I just put everything over there
instead of spurging it out over here and over here
and over here and over here. So um, I'm also
(46:50):
working on that next and um yeah, just growing my
YouTube channel of course, that's I mean, that's a lot
of work because it's a lot of editing. So um,
and I'm starting a podect yes, yes, I'm starting my podcast, um,
and that will be on my YouTube channel and also
you know, on the podcast at the same time. So
(47:12):
that's why I need some more equipment because um, you know,
I want to have guests and and so I'm gonna
get an office, probably like across the street. And I
decided I'm gonna actually just set up a whole little
set and be able to rent it out to other
people because there's a lot of those locally that want
to do stuff like this in our podcasts and things,
so I can let them borrow my equipment. I'm not
written the space. I'm written my equipment in the space,
(47:33):
if that makes sense. Yeah, and you're still making money
off of it, so that's even better. Yes, yes, exactly,
so yeah, just basically networking everybody together and creating content still.
I mean, like you know I do my own website,
is that I do everything, So it's like I have
a lot on my plate. But but you're doing a
great job. I mean it looks really good. Thank you.
(47:54):
It's it's a lot of it's sitting at a stand still,
to be honest. But it was just like, what are
they called placeholders? If you will? You know what I mean?
Like it's like I kind of just set stuff up
and it's like I haven't talked my website forever. Yeah,
I was about to ask you about that because I
know if you have an update your website. I think
the last post I read was from I'm telling you
(48:15):
I started it and then I just let it sit
there and collect does I've adjusted it like maybe three
more times maybe before since I ever created it. And um,
those blogs are really though. I definitely haven' written any
blogs because I write in my real journal in real life,
so I always just type it up whenever I want
to put everything on your website, So everything could be
your direct contact, get website, the podcast, or linked to
(48:39):
your YouTube page. Yeah, exactly what I have links to
everything but my YouTube page that was um that was updated.
I'm not sure about updated down yet. I have all
the links to like on my Twitter and my Instagram
and my Facebook and my um uh let me on
the and then like my webcam modeling day. You know,
I have all this stuff on there, but um just
(49:00):
need to make it a little bit less ambiguous. I
liked it. Like that effort. That was a part of
my whole theme. I still did this day. Get people
that are like, okay, so but yeah, because you're not
to say that you where when you first started. Oh no, yeah,
so you definitely have to update it. Oh no, yeah,
but it's like but I don't even send people there,
so it doesn't matter to me. It's just a placeholder.
(49:22):
It's just sitting there just just like it's like an example,
you know what I'm saying. Instead of having a landing
site that says coming soon, I'd rather have a landing
site that's just kind of like old stuff, so at
least you can see where I was because when I flipped, Yeah, exactly.
So I don't mind it sitting there just like that.
Like it's it's because most people don't go there anyway.
(49:43):
If I had a tippy on there every day. That's
the only reason why people go. If you don't have anything,
they're not gonna go anyway. So there's really That's what
I realized. There's no point in me trying to like
update it and stuff if I'm not gonna update it
on a daily basis or on a weekly basis or
something like that. So last, but not least, would you
do it all over a year if you could? You
(50:06):
can't get me to stop? Are you kidding me? Like
you haven't unaddicted to my lifestyle, and I'm addicted to
being able to help other women. I realized the whole
reason why I got in this game is because I
like to cape for hose. I realized that I always
had a stigma about me for some reason. My whole life.
People always thought I was a home or they thought
(50:26):
I was fast, or they thought I was you know
what I mean, a freak and all that, and I
never was any of those things. And he used to
bother me. But then like the inside part of me
that was like, well, why are you bothered by that?
Like there are girls that are like that, but are
you gonna look down on them? And I'm like well no,
it's like, well, why are you having a problem with
people assuming that you are that even though you're not so.
Then I started getting pissed for the bitches that were so.
(50:48):
Then I wanted to be uh yo, that's some real
ship though, because I had somebody like that when I
was growing up. She was like my teacher, and she
thought I was so fast so this and that mess
with all the boys, I wasn't doing ship and everybody
who she thought was um innocent and I feel like
push judgment or anything on that. But now they have kids,
they struggling this and that, and I was like, and
(51:09):
when she seen me, she couldn't even say nothing that.
And I used to always be like, remember what you
said about me? Exactly exactly. There was boys, moms, there
was teachers, there's people in church. It's always it's coming
from a woman from grown as adults, and I'm like,
what are you talking about? Like, But that's how I
learned about self projection. As I got older in life,
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I realized, oh, it's just self projection. You're trying to
project your fast as on me work. But in the
meantime and between times, I found a love for holes
because I felt like it was an insult to be
called one, but I didn't think that it was, so
I had to. I wanted to do something to where
women could feel like they could have somebody to talk
to about it and have a resource of like if
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they want to change their lifestyle, okay, But also, if
you're in this lifestyle, you don't have to run it,
like shout it out to the world. But don't be ashamed.
That's the only thing I'm trying to tell, Like, if
you're gonna be a sex worker, the worst thing you
could ever do is be ashamed of it because of
the energy that you're working with is so real. It
will haunt you and it will end up being a
curse instead of a blessing. So if it's something that
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you can't do, you need to get the funk out.
The industry is not for everybody. Mm hmmm, well listen,
that's there you go. If y'all have any questions, any concerns, calmness,
if you want to support my guests. I think she
is amazing. Um. I feel like lately I've been really
into um, the sex worker industry, the transgender community, and
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it's all about uplifting women, especially women of color, So
please email me at hello at the professional home girl
dot com any questions you have for her. I know
she started her MANTI program, so I'm definitely gonna be
in contact with her so we can get some advertisements going.
Any email you have, I listening directly to her and
until next time, guys later, thanks, You're welcome. Thank you.
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Welcome. You are now listening to the Professional Professional. Hey guys,
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welcome to this week's episode of the PSD podcast. Is
Your Girl Ever Night? And I'm super excited about this
week's episode. Um, before we begin, please make sure to
follow me at the Professional Home Girl, at the PSD podcast,
and last but Night at least at Name Beauty. Please
keep in mind that all of my guests are anonymous.
So let's begin this week's episode. So, I am super
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excited about interviewing my this week. She is a successful,
well helped webcam model and I thought it was so
funny because you really gave me a Google number, not
your real number. Interviews. Well, I wasn't sure. You never know,
you know, like these guys to be sneak. Oh no,
I'm like, girl, if you don't give me a real number,
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well that's why I told you. I was like, maybe
I should tell her, I don't know what she's gonna
do with this number, and she might be real. So
I feel like you have lived at pretty or you
are living a pretty colorful life. And I'm not just
saying that because you are a successful welcome model, but
because I feel like you have so many you have
had so many transitions in your life. So I did
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my research turning you. I watched helple of your videos.
I went on your website and you have over a
hundred thousands of views. That's either starw on your YouTube page,
on pouring hub videos, backpage content, and just your date
one clients and people who just really love your brand.
So the reason why I'm saying is because, uh, I
get the vibe that you're a very spiritual person. I
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can kind of get that feeling from you. Now, how
do you stay grounded through it all? Um? I actually
started a movement called in her Agriculture, and it's kind
of basically the way I lived my life, like when
I based my life off of and it kind of
took the place of quote unquote religion. So it's it's
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kind of like my own if you will. Okay, So
at the age of three, you shared that you saw
a show of a woman stripping and you were somewhere
fascinated by it. Yeah, why was that? I was? You know,
she just looked like she was having so much fun.
And you know, I mean, I'm kind of like a
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nutice by nature, if you will, Like, I just don't
really like prefer clothes and um, so she had on like,
you know, bathing suit or something. But she she was
just like danced around and maybe she was like spin
on polar something. It just looked fun. I'm gonna be that.
Plus I love to dance. I mean, dancing is like
in my genetics. So it's like the two combined that things.
What made me like like, oh, so fast forward to
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third grade and I literally watched like most of your videos.
So fast forward to third grade. You're giving your parents
massages and that kind of sparked the interest and you
become a massage therapist. What made you interested in that? Um?
I think it's just a natural thing. Um, some people
have it, some people don't. Then the nature to want
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to heal something. I was gonna say that. You did
say you feel like you're a healer. Yes, I am
a healer. I've healed animals, children, I worked for hospice.
Um I yeah. And then of course the regular spaw
environment and so on and so forth. So yeah, I'm
pretty well versed with the world of massage. So you
moved to l A and you decided to go to
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schools for massage therapy. How was that experience? And then
at the time. I also heard that she was married.
I was so I met a guy, we became roommates, um,
and then we were married. And but before we got married,
I was already in massage school. Um. Basically, when I
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moved to l A, I moved there for um acting
modeling type stuff, mostly acting, and um, hoping it just
like get some modeling gigs on the side to you know,
get some extra income and stuff. So I am I
was looking for a job. I'm somewhat of like I
guess the mastermind, and it's like, I don't know how
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long it's gonna take me to do this job until
I actually make my Greig break quote unquote right. So
I'm like, I need something that I would love to do,
something that's fun. And I was already in real estate
for like ten years, and that just real estate takes
up too much of your time. So I couldn't yeah, exactly,
like I couldn't even afford the time to do that,
(04:57):
to actually be able to go on auditions. So I
see back thing like why don't want to be a
waitress or a bartender like everybody else? That's just so cliche,
And um, somebody actually made the suggestion some guy being
funny like, oh, I know her, you should do massages
And I was like, oh wait, no, yeah, that's actually
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that's a bomb mass idea, like thank you. And he
was like, oh, you're gonna give happy endings and all
this stuff, and I really was clueless. I'm like, sure,
everybody's gonna be happy whatever. So I remember you saying
that too, because you didn't really know what happy in
this world. I mean a lot of people didn't know.
I didn't know what a whole lot of stuff was
and I'm still learning stuff every day. So you became
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a central massage therapist. Why do you think there's always
negative connotation negative connotations with massages massages? Because I don't
hear a lot of people look down on that. So
I wouldn't say a lot of people look down I
think that for one, um, I think a lot of
people are curious if they've never actually received a massage.
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So like, first of all, it's gonna be the most
ignorant people that are going to feel a certain type
of way about massage in general. Now, in massage therapy school,
in massage history class, we actually learned about this and
this has been going on since the beginning of time,
since massage has ever created, it has always had a
sexual connotation with it as well, so it always kind
of got like this weird like pseudo, like, Okay, we
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know it's really good for this, but something like this
might happen. And they even were talking about how way
way way back in the day they would have these,
you know, basically massage parlors where they described it as
you would get at best, a really shitty massage and
a happy ending. But this goes back to the beginning
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of time, like but before America, so happy ending been
around since forever. Well yes, forever, and men's penises have
always just gotten hard forever. So if you get it,
then that's why. Back in the day, a lot of
the massage therapists used to be like in the black
and white days, like in the fifties and stuff, a
lot of massage therapists were men. They weren't women, and
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that was so yeah, like for like athletes and for
um and for like movie stars and stuff like, Yeah,
they would have like real you know, big men come
in there and beat them up like they need a
good one, not like some little frilly, delicate lady. When
they didn't really start letting women massage over here and
thinking for like a while. So when you started your business,
it was a mobile massage business. Yes, my very first
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massage business. I started with a mobile massage and then
it was taken off. Yeah, so I got a d
u I. M yeah, it was my second. It was
my second DUI. So they took my car. It was
like I was, I was like three months away from
finishing my probation. It was just a very crazy transition
(07:54):
in my life, right, um at that moment. So yeah,
so I got that and so they took my car,
and um I did. I was staying with a friend
at the time and she just so happened to have
an extra vehicle, so she let me use that. Um
and then uh, I kind of did that for a
while until I moved out of her place and moved
into my own. And then that's when I started doing
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the in call instead of mobile spam. So who will
introduced you to back page? Because I think that story
was like you would have never thought you'd be in
the therapist, and then later you get introduced backstage, back backstage,
backchage would be like correlated to each other. Who introduced
you to that. So because whenever I left my job
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at my five star hotel um as a massage therapist,
I decided, Okay, I'm gonna start this mobile spall um,
and so I just went on Google. Well, first of all,
I was already like an elite yelper, so I was
really really good the Yelp, so I knew I could
put my business on Yelp to start. Then I just
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started doesn't really work? Oh my gosh, are you kid me?
I was like the number one massage therapists in uh
in l a um based off of you help. I mean,
I had a lot of celebrities and like big wigs
and stuff called me just off of my Yelp. But
then I also had ones that I acquired from my
five star hotel that I used to work at as well.
So um yeah, no, Yelp definitely works. Um. I found
(09:18):
like my vets there whenever Max husband and I had dogs.
I found my allergists there. On yelled, I found like
like so many every everything, every everything. I pretty much
you need, I go to yelp. But then I just
started searching the web in general, like for massage um um.
(09:39):
What are they called directories? Lord, I kept trying to
say dictionary. I'm like, that's not it, that's not director directory.
So then I just started looking at every type of
massage directory and I got busy and I just started
like putting my name and information plastering it all over
the internet anywhere I could find. Yeah, and then eventually
(10:01):
I ran into back Page. And so is the page
before you continue, because I know a lot of people
that may not be familiar with that. So back Page
is uh a former formerly known as Backpage. It's it's
a website that's no longer in existence. Um the government
shut it down last year, I believe. Yes, yes, it
(10:22):
was a very big uh scandal, uh child sex trafficking
and maybe some child stuff too. I think, um, yeah,
the case isn't really like it's like everything's pending right now,
so like everyone's waitness he was gonna pop off with
the owners from Backpage and stuff like that. So anyways,
it's basically they they made Okay. So Craig's list was
(10:43):
the first one Craig and on Craig's List they had
back in the day, they had a massage section also
had um uh um like sensual massage. They had escort section,
and then they also had like dating, and they had
different types of dating sections as well. All these things
were kind of like falling together type of category and
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so um because over the years now they Craigslist have
gotten rid of the whole dating no miss meets nothing
no more. They're like, y'all do it too much. Um. So,
so we started off on Craiglist, but then what start
happening was the Craigslist killer, right right, And so then
when the Craigslist killer came, they were like, all right,
so we're gonna like turn this feature off. So when
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they turned the massage feature off of Craigslist, that's when
Backpage was born. Backpage literally looked like a skeleton of Craigslist,
except the only difference was it was Backpage. And if
you looked in the sections where it's like jobs or
like schooling or gigs or something like that, you're going
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there and you would be like crickets wow, like like
oh this ship y'all ain't even ain't nobody over here,
you know, but mother massages and f coorts like maybe
one car being sould maybe like a couple of spot jobs.
And over time more people started feeling up I was
(12:08):
gonna say. Now the words started spreading, Oh man, like wildfire.
Now this is this all happened before I discovered back page,
So this is all I'm just crazy. It's a whole
another world, it really like. That's so that's kind of
part of why I got into it. Um. I'm just
a very curious person. I always have been, and I'm
and I'm nosy and I'm not and I just love
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to know everything, you know, I'm on them why babies?
Why why? And so like, Yeah, when I discovered um
back page, it was like at the time, I was
still married, I was just doing I'm just doing my job.
I was focused. I'm zip zip zooming through the internet.
Run across um you know what. No, no, no, no, no, no,
no sorry. I ran across Craigslist and I hit a
(12:52):
woman up about doing massage in her place because a
lot of people want to in call, which in calls
means that they come to you. But I do an
alcohol at the time, which means they come to you, right,
and no alcohol means I go to them in call me.
I know, I used to I think the same thing too.
I used to think it was opposite. I used to
think that in Camment out and out comment, and but
(13:13):
no in called me. They come into you and out
called me, and you go out to them like a
doctor call. Yeah. So like um so basically, um, I
was on Craigslist, um, looking for a room that I
could rent because I was like, man, I'm making really
good money, you know what I'm saying, like just doing
the I can't imagine the amount of money he was making.
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Oh my gosh. And in l A too. Some days
I would drive all like I would do like I
would do up to five six massages a day, like
and I was charging two a massage and that was
just for regular massage. Damn. So how much a good
one day, a good one week? Oh um, back in
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those days when it was just regular massage. Um, let's
see here, should go to calculations. I know, I'm like,
I'm like I would say, I would say I would
make anywhere from like for to six hundred a day, damn.
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But it would be like maybe out only work for yeah,
you want to work that much? Or five days? Right,
so like some days I might only do one and
then some days I might get like five or something
like that. And so I kept my car like fully stocked, loaded,
everything prepped up. I was always dressed ready to rock
and roll. I used to have my little uniform because
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I was so used to working in such an organized environment.
I was able to take my ethics on the road.
So it was I always wear my little Tory virch
Balerinea's us um slipper like shoes, and then I had
on like Lulu limn uh yoga pans and like the tops.
And then I would have like cardigans, like a cardigan
that would be like a very moderate when that would
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cover my butt because she has to cover your butt
a little bit, and um, you know you take that
off when you get down and dirty. When the time
dr massage, like when you're doing d tissue or regular
stuff whatever, lazy and I would keep me in my back.
I would keep like up to like four or five
you know, sheet sets already folded up, prepackaged. Boom boom
boom boom boom. You were just ready. I was ready
(15:25):
to rock and roll. And so um yeah, so that's
how much I was getting. And then, um, but as
soon as I started doing that, I mean, stuff took
off really quick. I left my husband like not too
long after that, Like within less than a month. But anyway,
so what happened was I got on craig. I got
on Craigslist and I was like, Yo, there's gotta be
somewhere I can do this in call stuff that people
(15:46):
keep asking me about, because I can be making even
more money. So this lady and she was like she
had this operation. I might even gonna get into details
her operation. Her ship was smooth but anyway, um, well
it don't lasted for so long, but it was smooth.
But she was like she was renting rooms to therapists
and stuff providers, so like, um, she wasn't there, but
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she had already set up, like the little key in
the lock on the outside and you go inside and boom,
the supply is already there ready for you and all
this stuff. You had a safe in there, you pop
your money in the envelope, put it in. Yeah, it
was like a whole like situation, and it was like
it was a literation, Like it was like so awesome.
I was like, oh, I'm about to get one of these.
I'm about to get one of my space out too.
You know. I'm like I'm boss mode. So I'm like okay,
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So anyway, um, when I was talking to her. She
was like, well, you know, I really like to keep
it to low as far as like how many providers
I have, you know, in the space, because well, she
doesn't want she doesn't want it to not be available
when we need it. You wanted to be able, so
she would try to keep it to a low amount
of girls that way. You know. Pretty much it's it's
(16:51):
the chance that was all having beside at the same
time or slim, but you know, she just wanted a
few girls. So anyways, she was like, I'll, you know,
put you on like a trial and see how oh
you do, because if you can't get X amount of
you know, um money, uh in a week or so,
you know, I'm have to let some mother girls try.
And so I'm like scared, like, oh no, you know,
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I gotta I gotta make sure I'm hitting the quota.
She didn't give you one, but I'm like, okay, don't worry,
I'll make you proud, you know. Like so then like, um, finally,
after a week, I was like telling her, I said,
I'm doing okay, but I feel like I could be
doing more. You know, is there something I don't know?
Is there maybe some websites I don't know about. She's like,
where all are you posted? So I told her and
she was like okay, She's like, you're not on backpage.
I was like, what's that? And she's like girl, and
(17:35):
she was and she's a black woman too. I never
ever met her. I never saw her in my life,
but we used to talk for years like everything. So,
like she was like, girl, you don't know about back
page good girls getting their money from? She said, how
are you getting all these clients there? I said, because
I'm professional and I'm good. I guess I don't know.
Like whatever. She's like, girl, you need to go on
(17:57):
backpage and you need to you need to do that
and try that and see what happens. I said, okay,
So I go in back Page and that's when I
discovered it. And that's when I was like, oh, look
like Craigslist. And that's when I was like, oh, if
it ain't much, okay. So then I like going to
the massage section. I'm like, next to the massages, it
was like body rubs. I was like, if I had,
I'm like that sounds anyway, that ain't my business. I
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ain't here for that section. Let me click on my ship,
my my business. So I'm like over there and I
see the other girls. I kind of look at the competition,
you know what I'm saying. I'm like, oh wow, okay,
I'm not gonna look at nobody. I'm just gonna post
my ship here. Okay, I don't care what y'all doing.
I'm advertising something totally different, so whatever, I'm not scared.
And I mean, like, I had my birth name on there,
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my regular legal phone number. I had no idea like
this is like a thing. I mean I put my
regular name and phone number all over the web on
all the other directories. I didn't think of it as
anything different. So um yeah. So that's how I discovered
back Page. And then she was kind of like, oh,
you could get more. I'm sure did you put anything
in body rubs and like body rubs like that damn word?
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I'm like, what the hell is that? Like it's kind
of like the same thing. Well yeah, but because you
said that in one of your videos, but you teld
you were sharing a story how you had a client
and I guess you went to his house whatever and
he was like, are you gonna take your top off?
And you was like what yes exactly. And I guess
that's when you realize, like, oh, ship, I see why
girls are charging this much because extra Yeah. Well see
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that's the thing. It's like I was already charging two
hundred just because of micare dential, just because of my resident,
because she was qualified, right and so like in certified
and ensured, don't play so okay, So like, um, I
was doing it for a few months before that one guy,
you know, happy to say something. Nobody else had said
anything to me, nobody tried to make me give them
(19:45):
happy ending they were happy to pay that two hundred
dollars And uh, that's crazy how people would buy massages
by fat Page. Oh my god, that's all it was.
I mean, well it was yeah, just for mostly just
sexual services, I guess, like you know, whether it's body
rubs or whether it was oh I mean they even
had a section in they're a little key for like
webcam models and stuff you could like, um, you could
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even put if you were a stripper, like where you
work or you do or if you do private uh dances,
and all kind of all kinds of stuff like that,
and then everything else when there was just fake but
um yeah, so um, after a while, that's not happened
with that guy. And that's when I started asking my
other clients, like, let me see if this mother trying
to treat me, because I'm all new over here and ship.
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So I was like, I know other girls are advertising
that way, but you know, so all my other clients
were like yeah, after like three or four or five
of them that that were like my regulars, they were
like yeah, pretty much all the other girls yep, yep,
they at least take their shirt off. Yeah yeah, And
I'm like what wait, wait, no, well you know that's
not my business. Okay, so when for so, when did
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you get to the point where you start taking me
a quote, your shirt off? When I after I because
I when I left my husband, I went immediately into
a relationship with a man and I was living with
him that was my boyfriend, and so I was still
super square and straight laced, and then um, after I
broke up with him, then I was working for this
drug dealer. So then I kind of wasn't massagy anymore
for a little bit. But then after I got arrested,
(21:13):
which was in the same month, and I ended up
getting my t wait wait, wait, what she was doing
with the drug dealer. I was. I was his driver
and I was his assistant. I'm telling I'm not gonna
drop celeb names because I respect but uh yeah, we
used to like you know, we had like the party
like you know, celebs and stuff. It wasn't just like
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standing on the corner like selling coke or something that
was like, No, we were in there, like we were
all kinds of like we were there the night Kevin
Hart got his the UI, you know what I'm saying,
like the v I p after hours everything, and like
my boss, he was just he was the man, and
so I liked him, and so I like forced myself
on him and I was like, let me work, let
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me like drive you and ship. You got a car,
you know, saying like he was like, oh my gosh,
fine girl whatever think like that either. So that was why,
And I was like, so I was, I've been I've
been living such like a sheltered you know, like super
like green life or Holy life or whatever you wanna
(22:17):
call it. And so I was just ready to bust out.
I was just ready to just be out there, like
let me shake all this ship off and start over. Okay,
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Enjoy the top. Like why her Kevi of Heart likes
to get lit now we I never saw him doing
anything like that. I know he definitely gets very drunk.
(23:23):
I don't know what else, maybe smoke some we I
don't think he really does that. Some people call it whatever.
I don't think that he does. I've never seen That's
what they call cocaine some people. I just learned that
last year. I'm like, what is that? And I'm like,
oh my god, I'm like I sell that stuff. I
didn't even know that. I'm telling you, girl, I'm still
(23:45):
learning stuff. Like you know, it just never gets old.
It's like what is that? Every day I'm like, what
is that? Wait? One thing I know is about you
is you constantly keep saying you said it setting videos
that you were so green, you were such a square?
Does it? Did it bother you? How? Like I guess
naive you were so well actually okay, so yes, um,
(24:07):
Because when I started burning off stuff with the moon
I did. That was the very first thing I wrote
down to burn off out of my life was naivety
so yes. But but I made myself live that life.
I chose that life on purpose because I was a
little bit certain to like just do what I wanted
to do and just kind of be buck wild, not
buck wild like my buck wild is different from other people.
(24:30):
But still, you know, I was kind of just I
needed some discipline. I needed a man in my life
or a friend in my life that was kind of like,
you know, square, because that's that's the way that work.
Like I don't need I'm crazy enough. I don't need
to my person that I'm with it, whether it's a
friend or a lover. I don't need them to be
booked wild like me. Yes exactly, So like I might
(24:51):
not be actually book by, but my spirit is book
while you know what I'm saying, like people to tell
they don't even know me, like girl, you look fun
and I'm like, oh my god, why every time I
can't even just walk to the store. You know, I
can look any kind of way. People swear I'm just
turned up, and I'm like, well, I guess I am.
My spirit is for sure. But so yeah, I always
talked about how how you know my Basically it was
(25:13):
like I started over and I made myself super. It
was basically like you know how you can talk about
like oh, back in the day I used to do drugs,
you talk about drug days. This was literally like another
type of drugs. Like I went from drug days to
like super sober beyond without a doubt like phase. So like, um,
I've also been vegan before, and I've been I've done
(25:35):
so many things that I've done everything for like years
at a time. I don't do just like, yeah, I
changed my whole lifestyle around and you know, and as
long as it works, That's where I'm at. Until it
stopped working, and then I mean, right, I think that's
a good point you made. If you don't work anymore
or if it doesn't no longer serve you, let it go.
That's it, and that's what you have to do. And
that's like, that's what that whole burning stuff off is
(25:57):
like on the paper or whatever, like, Yeah, you write
down the stuf in your life that no longer serves
you any purpose, and you burn that ship. So once
you built your clientele from massage, how did you transition
into a webcam? Okay, so what happened with that was
so first of all, when I decided to start doing
the um it was after so it was after the
(26:20):
guy worked for, right, and then I was living with
that lady, So that's when I started doing the massage
stuff again. But then now at this point, I don't
have um a man and I don't want a man,
and like I got tired of dudes trying to talk
to me that I would meet and then like they
all just ended up the same and it was just
like pointless. And I was like, you know what, what
(26:40):
about this happy ending ship, because that would be good
for me. It'll like help me relieve some you know,
like I don't get I don't get horny, Like I'm
not one of those types of people. But I might ovulate,
you know what I'm saying. I ovulate once a month.
I might feel a little certain type of way. It
was like that will allow me to channel that energy.
Plus I'm always curious, like is really going on? Plus mat,
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you'll have to make a whole lot of extra money.
Plus this is sounded like a good idea. I didn't,
but I didn't do it. Through back the age, I
started working at this spa um again, another place where
celebrities would come, low key like not gonna name those
people either, but it was like this fifty dollars for
an hour massage and we would get twenty five and
(27:22):
the spa will get twenty five. It was like the
bougie I don't even want to call it a rubbing
tug because it really wasn't. It was like one of
those places. So they have this thing called rub maps
that people can go on and they can actually look
it up and see, like what the rating is of
the girls in a spa, like if they grab your
penis or not? Like who does what's their name? Who
to asked for it's a whole like, yeah, it's a
(27:45):
whole website. And so on that website. Um, that spat
that I was working at, we were actually not ranked
that high because none of the girls were like that.
We weren't like just in there like you know what
I'm saying. It was like it was like no, like
I'm not gonna do this, like like some of the guys,
(28:05):
like I saw some of the guys in the comments
that you like, oh see y'all just don't know because
y'all don't go here like that. See us regulars, we
know what time it is because they trust us. You
have to build up a trust with them before they're
gonna do that for you. They're not gonna just do
that if you just come in a spat like that. Right,
It was like a different kind of It was like
a classy, trashy place, you know what I'm saying. Like
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I always liked the best of the best, So yeah,
that's where. So that's where I I started there first,
and you know, and I made the first my first client.
Of course, I was like okay, here we go. And
I'm like I made him, Like I was like, okay,
so he about to ask me I know he's about
(28:46):
to ask me. In my life, ain't nobody ever asked me?
But I know because I let the wall down. I
noticed man and he asked me, and I said, all right, listen,
now you going out to help me with this? I
don't know what the hell to do? But what did
he actually like? Little? Did? Um? So? First of all,
I get to be really careful with that. People tend
to not use exact words because it's very illegal. Oh
that's true. I learned that from another episode from Uh.
(29:09):
She was like, girl, yes, I know. People, You're right,
that's get some book wild questions. It's like, even if
the answers yes, you've totally ruined those chances. Yeah, that's
because if you because first of all, if that's all
that you're looking for, then no, that's not gonna work.
But if you know what I'm saying, if you're just
looking for a good session and you're hoping that it's
(29:30):
a really good match for you to see this therapist,
often like that's how you start to get like super
major amazing relationships like sugar daddies and stuff, and it
becomes really awesome. Then you know, it's like it's like
I used to treat backpage like tender because because I
was single and like majority of my clientele would be
would be between the ages of eighteen and twenty six,
they still are, um, so I couldn't really like so
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it was like it was cool, Like I don't really
get a lot of guys asked me like come on,
like trying to pressure me into like, you know, giving
them happy end is. I usually can just convince them
to do it to themselves because they're young and they well,
they just they usually don't. The younger guys are not
usually in it because they need a hand job, right.
The older guys are because they need that affection. The
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younger guys they're in it because they're curious. They're young men.
They want to get touched by real woman. They love
them a mill and they I mean, there's most young
men have a thought in their mind. They at least
want to like try like a massage, a stripper or
a prostitute at some point in their life. Most men
want to try something that they could pay for it.
(30:36):
That's a little bit freaky. So what the what's the
difference between porn and web panel? Okay, so porn um So,
first of all, pornography is like, um, usually intercourse is involved,
but I guess it doesn't have to because it could
be different things. But porn is like more professional, right,
(30:59):
So that's why they call it amateur porn um. But
originally like pornography was, you know, filmed um video, it
wasn't live webcamping is live broadcasting, so you can also
record that and then turn it into a video and
this sell that and it's kind of like amateur porn.
So were you nervous when you first started doing the videos?
(31:21):
Because I saw some of your videos and I thought
you was just doing like your welcoming. But then I
saw you on pub porn hub and I was like, oh, ship, okay,
it looks like it. Don't look like you're nervous, like
but I did see on porn Hub that you was
charging a fee to see certain videos, so um, for one, no,
(31:46):
I'm an actress, so to me, you are funny as hell.
Well I'm I'm also a clown. My dad calls me
Lucy like I really can't help it, mum, But because
I'm an actress. So what happened was whenever I decided,
when I started getting into this um, when I love
(32:06):
my husband. I started to living my best life and
being free and I could do whatever I want to do. Now.
I decidedn't want to start taking pole dance classes because
this girl that I was I had become really good
friends with and we were taking acting classes together. She
used to take pole and she teach pole and I
was like, oh, man, too bad. I can't do that.
You know what I'm saying, Like, there's no way my
husband's gonna let me sucking start pole dancing and ship,
(32:27):
Like when am I gonna tell the church? So like
I'm gonna tell the praise and Worship team, Sorry, guys,
I can't come on Tuesdays anymore. I've got pole dancing class.
So like. Um, so that was like one of the
things I wanted to get into. But then within that, um,
there were certain things that I need to conquer as
an actress. Um. One of those things was my acting
coach made me start going to karaoke. He was like,
(32:48):
you need singing. I'm like, I'm not a singer. Um,
I'm a perfectionist. I think it's pointless for me to
go up there and try to just hold a tune.
I am singing back up to somebody or something. He's like, no,
you need to do this. You need to break free,
like you know, if you're having too much ego, you
need to just let that go. And I'm like, oh
my god. Whatever. So finally I did one day and
it really didn't change my game. So then, um, now
(33:08):
I'm just kind of on my own. I'm not even
going to class nomore. I'm not. I'm just stopped everything
and I'm starting everything over. So I'm like, you know what,
I really what is the most like uncomfortable thing that
I can think of, like whether it's like modeling or acting,
and it's and it's the sexy thing. I used to
hate that and people would be like, oh, you're sexy
or they were like tell me, They're like, oh yeah,
(33:29):
like look sexy like that key. I don't know. As
soon as you say sexy, I freeze up. What the
fund did? I don't know what that means. But I
can't make myself be sexy. It's not my fault you
think I'm sexy. I'm not trying to be sexy. So
I can't emulate this thing that y'all are talking about.
So it was always like, well, what kind of actress
would you be, like what kind of roles would you play?
And it's like I need every role except for probably
a sexy role like I'm goofy, I'm silly, like that's
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not that's not really my ship or whatever. So then
I made it my business to try to conquer that
in real life. And so then I are did the
pole dance classes, which really awakened a lot of my
feminine fluid movement. And then from there, um, I was
already doing the sensual massage stuff. So then it started
making me like like like I would like practice. I
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would like practice like seducing my clients like certain ways
and like like just like without even touching them, you
know what I mean, just like moving and then like
um and then some type of way. Um. I fast forward,
my little brother came to visit me. Vine had just
come out. He was like, you should get on Vine
and starts working. You'll get a whole lot of fans
(34:35):
real fast. My little brother was eighteen. I was like,
what wait, you don't care if I work on Vine?
He was like, what, no, and send me your fans.
I was like okay, like I don't even know too
many fans for but okay, I'm like, that's funny because
(34:55):
I started a whole second Instagram just to take like
pictures of me, like in my workout close like sports,
braw and pennies. That's when girls first started doing that
on Instagram and ship. And I was like, I started
a whole new one just because I didn't want you
to like see your gett embarrassed or like I didn't
care about my parents or nothing like that. He's like, no,
I don't care. I'm like, well shit, all right. So
I started working online. I started trying to be a
(35:15):
real strip but oh that's the other thing. I started
going to strip clubs and I would study strippers like
two three days a week. I was like, for like
a month straight. I would just go to strip clubs
like every like every other day, and I watched them
and I would just study them, and I was and
it's so funny here and j Low talk about the
Hustler movie. I'm like, bitch, been there, done that. I'm
still getting a T shirt. So anyway, so it just
(35:35):
kind of became like a thing. And so then I
started I was like, you know what, I want to
try to work at a real strip club. But I
needed a name to the first name I came up with,
it was kind of groofy. Then I was trying to
come up with another name just for like the backpage
thing and like having this other like persona because I
couldn't be my birth name anymore. That I met she
was like, girl, what you doing with your government name
on back page? But you crazy? So I had to
(35:56):
meet up a name. So I made up one name.
That name was like, then I make up another name.
I'm like, okay, we're getting better. And then I came
up with the name I have now. And then I
think I've made one or two more since then, and
it just became an addiction to like start creating these characters,
these alter egos, right, So, um, I created this one
and that's kind of like that was So that's where
this character started online. So that's how come I was
(36:20):
so comfortable, um with myself because I don't look at
it like I'm actually trying to be sexy. It's like
I'm actually just acting like I'm sexy and it works.
So I know it. When you webcam, I know, like
what is involving because I know you polled, as I
know you stripped, Like what else do you do, I
(36:40):
mean for me personally, or you mean on like on
the website in general, Well, just you personally, just me personally.
Um so I rant, I rave, I lecture, I cook,
I clean, I make my bed, I do my makeup,
I do my hair, and you have clients to pay close. Well,
(37:02):
I have an observatory yet, so like you cound title
your room whatever you want to, and if you're having
a come show, you're gonna title league, you know, come
show you're having this or that. Mine's usually just an observatory.
I do have days where I do have certain shows though,
where I dressed up in theme and I come on
camera's hair and make up ready, you know, and that's
where I'm like got the music playing and I got
the pole popping or um you know. Or I'm on
(37:25):
the couch and like we're doing like whatever the theme is.
I'll do that sometimes, but for the most part, it's
just an observatory because I'm usually trying to kill three
in foe birds with one stone, because because I do
everything myself, and it's really hard to like it's a lot, yeah,
because it's a lot of hours you after broadcast to
make the kind of money I need to do the
things that I need to do, which also why I
(37:45):
started got got back into massagy again. So I was
about to ask you about that. So webcam and I
look into business for you right now or just in general. Yes,
webcamming pays all my bills, but that's good. Yes, but
I have big I have bigger goals than that. I am.
Just paying my bills does not make me move forward faster. Yeah,
(38:09):
I need to get equipment. I need to get you know,
there's just there's a lot of mostly equipment stuff is
what I need to get. An equipment is very expensive
because I know one video you was you I can
tell that you was tired, but you still look really good.
And he was just saying, how like you've literally been
up all day? Is I think you finished like around
two or three o'clock and you freshen up and it
(38:30):
was morning time. Yeah, something I do. I do pull
twenty four hours sometimes I work in where between twelve
and eighteen hours a day. Wow, that's fun. But it's
your business. Yeah, it's my baby. I mean, it's like
it's an infant. So if you have an infant, it's
gonna keep you up as long as it keeps you up. Yeah,
tell me about it. I got about two infants and
(38:51):
they keep me up in real life where you mean
like energyically, No, just that I have my podcast and
then I have my beauty company, ebone Beauty. And like
you said, like when you're trying to like and I
also have an out of five, so it's like I
haven't out of five. You have these two businesses, you
have a social life, you have yourself, you have your
family and friends. Like it's really hard trying to balance everything.
(39:14):
So I can I can imagine what you go through
because you do twelve eighteen hours or twelve to twenty
four hours of this. Yes, And I really just tried to, like,
you know, make people leave me alone. I'm always like,
leave me alone and go away, Like if if it
wasn't for this, Like I don't leave my like where
I live. I live in a like I walk everywhere, right,
(39:35):
so like everything in here, movie theater, clubs, restaurants. Yeah,
where you live. From a little glimpses, I sorry, looked
really nice. So I know you have big girl bills. Yeah, yeah,
well not in the city I live in now. It's
not like it was in l A. You know, what
the same thing, thinking, that's that's kind of why I
left l A. But um, yeah, so it's a yeah,
(39:57):
it's it's you know, it's an upper middle class area,
but it's not the most most most or anything like that.
But it's very very convenient for me. I don't like
to drive, as you know. Ever since that, um, ever
since I got in trouble with driving twice, I said,
you know what, I need to pick one either drinking
or driving. Driving drinking, I would have to drink. I
don't need to drive anyway. I'm addicted to freedom. And
(40:20):
so even before I was drinking, I used to get
in trouble for stealing cars when I was young, Like
I just love, I love, just like I wasn't going
on where it's going to? Like Taco ball? Where are
you going? And then also when you post your videos
on other third party sites, you also get a percentage
from that, right or you get pretty much all of it? Okay, good, yes, yeah,
(40:42):
pretty much all of it? Like um. On the other
side to child, you have some of my listeners looking
for looking to a new job venture, Well, that is
something I'm actually I'm designing a blueprint to for for
you know, people who it's not only just for the
sex industry. I'll start off with that one, but big
stically it could be applied to anything. So I'm in
(41:03):
the process of creating that kind of program now because
I definitely have a lot of I have a lot
of mentees if you will or whatever that's like, okay,
what nexis? I'm like, all right, hold on, baby baby
steps now. Um. So normally when I have episodes, I
always ask my listeners or viewers if they want to
ask for my guests a questions. One of the questions
(41:24):
that somebody wants to know is have you ever ran
into someone that noticed you from one of your videos? Yes,
I definitely, um run into people that know me um
all the time, and in Las Vegas some um in
Miami because you have a lot of viewers in d C. Yeah,
and I've been doing this for a long time though. Yeah,
(41:47):
Becauld you started with a no, no, no, no, no,
not not this heck, no, do you know how old
I am? No I am. I'm telling my just overall
from your clients when you first started beside and he
was like, oh, you're talking about MS massage. Yeah, So
I'm just saying over that time from people just knowing
your faith period and from your transition, you and your
(42:07):
late thirties. Oh oh yeah, no, yeah, I started a
massage in my twenties. But I think people recognize me
from mine, Like, so do they mean do massage planes
recognize me from me? But no, they mean do people, um,
from your wealcaming your videos on different types and stuff.
Do they recognize you just on the street right? Okay?
(42:28):
Yeah yeah, but I was just saying because like, if
you've just been doing this for so long as far
as like all together, so I'm pretty sure people even
typing your name if you've been wanting by your first
name or your your stage name, you pop up and
oh I've seen her before. Well all of this, yeah,
all of this has started like since about two thousand fourteen.
(42:49):
But but really two thousand fifteen, Okay, is it hard
for you to date right now? It's not hard for
me to date. I have a situation ship. Okay, yeah,
but um, I don't want to date. I don't need
to date. I don't crave to date. Uh, it doesn't
really benefit me. Um, but I didn't meet somebody we
(43:12):
did fall in love however, Well, no, that's the thing.
It's a um, it's a girl. Okay, we don't know
what us no, no, yeah, no, we just we both
weren't trying to do that. You know. It was kind
of those things where I was like we were cool
and then we're like hey, it's like hey, well hey
(43:35):
remember right here, you know, heyy and it be something
like fun at night drunk thing, and then like we
just kind of like kept doing it every day all
day until it's like we're going to dinner and we're like,
I just got real gay real quick. I was like,
oh my god, we are so gay. Like we would
(43:55):
always just laugh because neither one of us were before
Let's ends or anything, but we were both freaks like
you know what I mean, but not like that. So yeah,
it kind of changed. But then also so she wants
to maybe have children one day and maybe a husband
or something like that, so we both decided it will
be best for her to kind of like, you know,
for us to not do that because we want to
(44:17):
keep that door open for her to have a little
normality if she wants in her life, and keep my
door open for me to continue focusing on my business
because when I get in a relationship like that my money,
like my weight went up and my money went down
like all the yeah, because it was like we were
just together like seven like, so I wasn't really working,
Like yeah, that's sad because I, yes, I just don't.
(44:41):
I do better with long distance relationships or we just
have restraint. But we've developed enough now to where we
only hang out like maybe twice somebody. We live in
the same apartments, but uh yeah, but that's how we met.
So she's been here the whole time. But you know,
so I run into her of course, and we talk
(45:02):
and we text and we hang out, but we just
do it on a much different skill than us being
completely just like obsessed with each other seven Like you know,
it got to the point where she was like really
upset because she couldn't have my kids. So that's how like,
you know, it was. It's just hard to explain when
we fall in love with like the same sex and
you're not it's like, what's going on, Oh my god,
(45:25):
this is not supposed to happen. Like wow, Okay, so
you've been in the industry for a couple of years,
now what's next for you? So basically other than um,
I'm using all my expertise to um branch out and
help others. I'm starting a nonprofit. UM it's gonna be
(45:48):
to help um, like domestic violence, women and children, and
then like you know, sex trafficking, UM, you know all that,
all that good old guys. UM. I'm not sure all
which what how far and deep it will go or
will I be very niche and kind of specific with it.
I don't know yet because I need to look into
So that's like the next kind of blueprint I'm setting
(46:09):
up for as far as direct outreach in like my
local community. And then I'm also about to start doing
UM so I'm gonna start getting more into like the
musical side of ship. And I'm about to start a
talent show here local and I'm working with the producer,
and I'm about to start making some mixtapes and then
we're gonna go on a tour. And I mean, uh yeah,
(46:29):
we have like all this, all this stuff. And then
plus I have all my content I'm creating, and I'm
in a process of shifting everything to where I can
actually have an only fans because I was debating for
so long like should I get one? But everybody has
one now and now I know some girls that have
one and they make so much money. I'm like, it
would be easier if I just put everything over there
instead of spurging it out over here and over here
and over here and over here. So um, I'm also
(46:50):
working on that next and um yeah, just growing my
YouTube channel of course, that's I mean, that's a lot
of work because it's a lot of editing. So um,
and I'm starting a podect yes, yes, I'm starting my podcast, um,
and that will be on my YouTube channel and also
you know, on the podcast at the same time. So
(47:12):
that's why I need some more equipment because um, you know,
I want to have guests and and so I'm gonna
get an office, probably like across the street. And I
decided I'm gonna actually just set up a whole little
set and be able to rent it out to other
people because there's a lot of those locally that want
to do stuff like this in our podcasts and things,
so I can let them borrow my equipment. I'm not
written the space. I'm written my equipment in the space,
(47:33):
if that makes sense. Yeah, and you're still making money
off of it, so that's even better. Yes, yes, exactly,
so yeah, just basically networking everybody together and creating content still.
I mean, like you know I do my own website,
is that I do everything, So it's like I have
a lot on my plate. But but you're doing a
great job. I mean it looks really good. Thank you.
(47:54):
It's it's a lot of it's sitting at a stand still,
to be honest. But it was just like, what are
they called placeholders? If you will? You know what I mean?
Like it's like I kind of just set stuff up
and it's like I haven't talked my website forever. Yeah,
I was about to ask you about that because I
know if you have an update your website. I think
the last post I read was from I'm telling you
(48:15):
I started it and then I just let it sit
there and collect does I've adjusted it like maybe three
more times maybe before since I ever created it. And um,
those blogs are really though. I definitely haven' written any
blogs because I write in my real journal in real life,
so I always just type it up whenever I want
to put everything on your website, So everything could be
your direct contact, get website, the podcast, or linked to
(48:39):
your YouTube page. Yeah, exactly what I have links to
everything but my YouTube page that was um that was updated.
I'm not sure about updated down yet. I have all
the links to like on my Twitter and my Instagram
and my Facebook and my um uh let me on
the and then like my webcam modeling day. You know,
I have all this stuff on there, but um just
(49:00):
need to make it a little bit less ambiguous. I
liked it. Like that effort. That was a part of
my whole theme. I still did this day. Get people
that are like, okay, so but yeah, because you're not
to say that you where when you first started. Oh no, yeah,
so you definitely have to update it. Oh no, yeah,
but it's like but I don't even send people there,
so it doesn't matter to me. It's just a placeholder.
(49:22):
It's just sitting there just just like it's like an example,
you know what I'm saying. Instead of having a landing
site that says coming soon, I'd rather have a landing
site that's just kind of like old stuff, so at
least you can see where I was because when I flipped, Yeah, exactly.
So I don't mind it sitting there just like that.
Like it's it's because most people don't go there anyway.
(49:43):
If I had a tippy on there every day. That's
the only reason why people go. If you don't have anything,
they're not gonna go anyway. So there's really That's what
I realized. There's no point in me trying to like
update it and stuff if I'm not gonna update it
on a daily basis or on a weekly basis or
something like that. So last, but not least, would you
do it all over a year if you could? You
(50:06):
can't get me to stop? Are you kidding me? Like
you haven't unaddicted to my lifestyle, and I'm addicted to
being able to help other women. I realized the whole
reason why I got in this game is because I
like to cape for hose. I realized that I always
had a stigma about me for some reason. My whole life.
People always thought I was a home or they thought
(50:26):
I was fast, or they thought I was you know
what I mean, a freak and all that, and I
never was any of those things. And he used to
bother me. But then like the inside part of me
that was like, well, why are you bothered by that?
Like there are girls that are like that, but are
you gonna look down on them? And I'm like well no,
it's like, well, why are you having a problem with
people assuming that you are that even though you're not so.
Then I started getting pissed for the bitches that were so.
(50:48):
Then I wanted to be uh yo, that's some real
ship though, because I had somebody like that when I
was growing up. She was like my teacher, and she
thought I was so fast so this and that mess
with all the boys, I wasn't doing ship and everybody
who she thought was um innocent and I feel like
push judgment or anything on that. But now they have kids,
they struggling this and that, and I was like, and
(51:09):
when she seen me, she couldn't even say nothing that.
And I used to always be like, remember what you
said about me? Exactly exactly. There was boys, moms, there
was teachers, there's people in church. It's always it's coming
from a woman from grown as adults, and I'm like,
what are you talking about? Like, But that's how I
learned about self projection. As I got older in life,
(51:29):
I realized, oh, it's just self projection. You're trying to
project your fast as on me work. But in the
meantime and between times, I found a love for holes
because I felt like it was an insult to be
called one, but I didn't think that it was, so
I had to. I wanted to do something to where
women could feel like they could have somebody to talk
to about it and have a resource of like if
(51:51):
they want to change their lifestyle, okay, But also, if
you're in this lifestyle, you don't have to run it,
like shout it out to the world. But don't be ashamed.
That's the only thing I'm trying to tell, Like, if
you're gonna be a sex worker, the worst thing you
could ever do is be ashamed of it because of
the energy that you're working with is so real. It
will haunt you and it will end up being a
curse instead of a blessing. So if it's something that
(52:13):
you can't do, you need to get the funk out.
The industry is not for everybody. Mm hmmm, well listen,
that's there you go. If y'all have any questions, any concerns, calmness,
if you want to support my guests. I think she
is amazing. Um. I feel like lately I've been really
into um, the sex worker industry, the transgender community, and
(52:35):
it's all about uplifting women, especially women of color, So
please email me at hello at the professional home girl
dot com any questions you have for her. I know
she started her MANTI program, so I'm definitely gonna be
in contact with her so we can get some advertisements going.
Any email you have, I listening directly to her and
until next time, guys later, thanks, You're welcome. Thank you.
(53:00):
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Eboné Almon
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