July 15, 2025 • 45 mins
In Part 2 of I'm Solving My Father's Murder, Eboné sits down with Madison McGhee, creator of the Ice Cold Case podcast, to go even deeper into her journey of uncovering the truth behind her father’s unsolved murder.
Madison opens up about her relationship with her father before his tragic death, the emotional toll of interviewing close friends and family—some of whom are considered suspects—and how grief has shaped her pursuit of justice. Together, they explore the idea of closure, the weight of unanswered questions, and Madison’s evolving thoughts on time, healing, and loss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebane, a space where no
question is off limits and storylines become lifelines. The views
shared by our guests are meant to inform, entertain, and empower,
from the laughs to the lessons. Just remember tough times
don't last, but professional home girls do enjoy the show.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Welcome back to Pretty Private, Isha Girl Ebina here and
I hope all is cute. How are you feeling out
their professional homegirls? How y't feeling? I ain't gonna hold
you your girl? Been feeling really good lately? Okay, you know,
lately I've been like really obsessing with my life and
what I wanted to look like over the next few years,
(00:46):
especially in two years because I'll be hitting a mouse stone.
So I've been having my head down. I'm like super
locked in, you know, just really create it and working
towards my goals like I normally do. But I don't know, lately,
I've just been like really like wanting to go even
super hard without bringing myself out again. But have you
(01:06):
ever like visualized something so clearly that it feels so real,
like you can actually see it, Like I feel like
lately I even just seeing or just probably receiving like
little downloads of what my life is about to look like.
And I think that's what's keeping me so excited, because y'all.
When I tell y'all, I can vividly see me traveling,
(01:29):
and I travel a lot already, but I can just
see what my home would look like, I can see
what my life will look like, and like, I'm just
like really excited, and I feel like that's my future
self and also just God telling me, like, come on, girl,
just keep going, keep going. You almost there self. Let
me know what y'all to. Email me at Hello at
the PSHG podcast dot com and let me know what
you've been working on or what you've been visualizing for yourself.
(01:51):
And also the funny thing is, I would love to
have someone on the show who interprets dreams or vision
because I'm just so fascinated by all of that. And
it's so funny because back in the day, I was
so close to interviewing a neurologist and because I'm just
so obsessed with the mind and I think the mind
is just so amazing. But obviously we couldn't lock in
(02:14):
a date, so maybe I spend the block on her
and see what's up, because I would love to have
her insight and for her to really break down the mind,
like especially when it comes to like trauma and like
serial killers and like things of that nature. Like I
would love to die to dive into that. So I
keep y'all posting, I know, So can we ke KEI
right quick? So y'all, y'all know, I had such a
(02:36):
hard time letting go of the name, let alone the
theme song, y'all, because I just love the original theme song.
I ain't gonna lie y'all this new one. I was
listening to last week's episode, and baby the way I
was bopping my head, I said, Okay, now, like I
really really really am enjoying this rebrand, Like the rebrand
(02:59):
is making me so happy, and I just love the
fact that you all are still emailing me, leaving comments
on Instagram, hitting me up because some of y'all got
my number, child, and just telling me how much y'all
really love the theme song and just the rebrand overall.
So thank you, think you, thank you, Like I think
I could do a little work too, you know what
I'm saying. Okay, So on this week's episode, y'all really
(03:23):
enjoyed Part one with Madison. I'm like, super ossessed with Madison.
She's obsessed with me, So I cannot wait for you
all to hear Part two because we take the conversation
even deeper. Madison and I talk about her relationship with
her father before he was murdered and a complex reality
of interviewing close friends and family, some of whom are
actually suspects in his unsolved case. Okay. We also explore
(03:47):
what closure really looks like when justice still feels out
of reach. Madison also shares her thoughts on Time, which
it was very interesting, and she talks about how it
moves and how it weighs on us and how always
shapes the way we grieve, investigate, and just overall heal.
So I know we are just getting started with season three, y'all,
but hands down, my conversation with Madison has been thus
(04:10):
far one of my favorite episodes in season three. And
I'm saying that because I got fifteen episodes ready to go.
Your girl is not playing. I'm not trying to get
burnt out again, so I'm like, let me bash your
court and get ahead of the program. Okay, But I say,
y'all to say get ready because I'm solving my father's murder.
Part two starts. Now, what was your relationship like with
(04:32):
him before he passed away.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
We were close.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I didn't live with him full time, but I he
was like two and a half hours away, so I
was like visiting and seeing him. He would come down
and see me. I live with my mom but and
my grandma, but he would come down and I would
go up. I was actually meant to spend the following week.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
With my dad.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oh my god, that was crazy too.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, so we were supposed to.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
So he was killed on a Thursday, and like that
weekend was supposed to be kind of like the swap,
and I was supposed to go up stay with him
for a week and potentially longer. I mean it was summertime,
so like sometimes I'd be like I want to say,
and like I'm with my sister and whatever, But like
I was meant to be there for the week with
my dad. It had already been coordinated organized, like everything
(05:19):
was in place for me to go there. And obviously
that didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
But yeah, and then you discovered that your dad was
a drug dealer that turned who turned into an informant
and I thought it was funny because you was like
somebody was like, ye, he was a voluntary informant, and
I'm like, who s wants to be a voluntary informant?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Like right, yeah, what does that even really mean?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I you know, you're you're an informant because they were
about to get you for something and you you know,
don't want to go to prison or do time or
you know, whatever it is, or pay the fine or whatever.
And yeah, I mean my dad was a victim of again,
a very dark system that exploits mostly black people into
(06:02):
doing police bidding and getting killed because the police don't
want to put themselves in the line of fire of
like going after these drug dealers, so they just pit
each other, them against each other, and absolutely, you know,
use them as sort of this shield and if they die, it's.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Fine, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
There's this there's this term that they use within police
departments across the country called misdemeanor murder, and it's used
for when drug dealers kill other drug dealers.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Or murderer murderers or whatever.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
And it's sort of used to like say, when someone
is killed that isn't useful to society. They call it
a misdemeanor murder because the person who did it is
probably never going to go to jail or get time
for the murder because the police don't care enough to
spend resources to catch that person because in their mind, well,
(06:57):
they took care of someone else for us. Yeah, it's
it's a commonly used term. They also use like NHI
no human involved killing. So they really treat these people
like they're not people at all.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Wow. Damn. So when you learned all this stuff about
your father, did that change how you how you viewed him?
Kind of?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
But in like the opposite way, Like it may maybe
would make you think I was like, damn, my god sucked,
But I was like damn, Like what a multifaceted god?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Right, Like, oh my God, Like.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Because I had no idea that this was going on,
So like he was really able to like still be
a good dad do all this stuff. So I like, wow,
like he really was like a multitasker. Oh maybe that's
where I get it from. So yeah, I mean it
was like very interesting to find out, of course, and it.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Makes you question a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I Mean I'm like, Mom, what the hell were you
doing with like a drug dealing? I like what is
going on, but you know, at the end of the day,
it's like, that's my family, that's my dad. But yeah,
it definitely had me thinking about a lot of different
things and a lot of different aspects of you know,
what my life would have been like with my.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Dad, what would have happened? Would you know what would
have been?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And I'll never know, And it's it's sad, it's unfortunate,
it's frustrating sometimes, but it's nice in a way that
I get to have this opportunity now to kind of
get to know my dad and learn about him and
learn about, you know, what kind of friend he was,
and what kind of person he was, and what he
was doing with his spare time, and.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You know, when he wasn't being a dad, what he
was up to. And I do.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Think that my dad had really good intentions with what
he was doing, and I think his priority and every
decision he made always really tied back to, like, I
want to build a better life for my children.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I just think that when you look at it from
that perspective, it really changes the way that you think
about drug dealers in general. You know, I definitely have
built sort of an empathy for people who are in
that lifestyle and doing that work now because of this,
(09:24):
And you know, it doesn't make it right. And I
don't justify what my dad was doing by any means.
You know, I think that drugs are really dangerous and
responsible for you know, overdoses, and people are dying every
day from like you know, drug deals just going really south.
And I don't necessarily think that that's like a great
(09:45):
noble career by any stretch, But I do have an
understanding now of kind of that world and what happens
behind closed doors and why that's going on. And it's
a lot more systemic than it appears to be on
the surface. But yeah, I've enjoyed getting to know my
(10:06):
dad in my late twenties.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Through the lens of you know, his friends and family.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, And I also thought it was kind of intuitive
that he knew that. It felt like he was mentally
preparing himself for dulf, like he knew it was coming.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah. I think he my dad was someone who was
so paranoid that it was almost psychic in.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
A way.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Where I don't know if he manifested it or if
he just knew, but yeah, I think he recognized the
life that he was sort of born into and then
consequently the choices he had made, and he knew his
fate was written on the wall, and it was just
(10:56):
a though.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Now another part of the story where I was like, Madison,
what are we doing here? Is when you was telling
the story about your dad when he ran a bar
and it was sex workers upstairs, and Madame Marie she
used to sell the babies of those sex workers who
didn't want to keep them, and she was selling the
babies for like twenty k And I was like, where
does she get this from?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, so it's an old like I guess, rumor through
this town. This woman, Madame Marie, she was based in
Philadelphia and she she owned and operated this house where
there were sex workers on one side and this sort
of illegal adoption ring on the other and one that
(11:43):
is crazy, the sex workers if they ever got pregnant,
she then you know, they were required to remain clean
so that they could have healthy babies. And so they
met other side of the house where they had to
remain clean, and they were you know, eating well and
doing all the things that you need to do when
you're pregnant to have a healthy baby, and yeah, it's
(12:06):
I've never been able to sort of verify any of
that as far as like, I don't know who Madam
Murray is. I don't have any sort of adoption paperwork. Obviously,
this was all very under the table, so I don't
know if that would have even existed, right, But I've
heard that from that story has been been told to
(12:27):
me by several people, including the police. My mom heard
it from directly from my dad. The police knew about this.
It was just this very weird sort of story that's
attached to my dad's murder and just continued to be
passed down. And the details are murky, and you know,
(12:48):
unsure of if Shane, my brother, who was part of
this sort of program, was taken home with the family
and then retrieved, or if he ever left the hospital
with them at all, or if Dinnan kept the baby
on her and didn't let him go, or if they
didn't want him because he was born addicted to drugs
and Shane Bill has a lot of mental health issues
(13:11):
as a result of being born in this condition, and
so it's very unclear kind of what went down in
that moment and when that was happening. But everyone that
I've spoken to, it's the one story, weirdly, that has
remained consistent between everyone's retelling of this. A lot of
(13:34):
details changed person to person about a lot of things,
and the one thing that has remained really consistent is
this Madame Marie story.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, and I mean, and that's a whole another story
on his own.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
So yeah, oh yeah, that's happening in two thousand and
two and happening so underground. You know, I can only
imagine how sophisticated those houses and systems are out in
twenty five and how underground they are.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
So yeah, it is. Again it goes back to like
this is so much bigger than.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
My dad, And is there a world where like someone
comes forward and is like I worked for Madame Marie
or I know who that is, or I she's still
doing this and this is what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You know, there's something she's still alive.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Wow, God bless your brother man, because I can only
imagine how that how that's messing with him. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
are you clothes?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
We've never met.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
We are friends on Facebook, we talk sometimes, but we've
never met in person before.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Do you want to meet him?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, I'm open to that for sure. He does have
a lot of stuffy's going on, so yeah, but of
course I'm like, very open to I would love to
meet all my siblings.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I've only met one.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yes, your sister, how many simple as you have? Because
I know your daddy loves love him?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Some women to I have.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
So Shane's my younger brother, and I have four older
siblings outside of Alissa, so four older than both of us.
One of them, i've heard is has passed away. I
think during COVID there was some potentially like illness complication
situation there. And then the other three are still alive
(15:26):
and I haven't met them before.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I'm surprised I haven't linked up yet. Yeah, it's complicated. Yeah,
I guess I was Gonnay. I can only imagine how
complicated and challenging it is.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah, my older brother, I met his daughter, so she
and I are are friendly.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
She used to live in LA so we met up.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
It's funny she's technically my niece, but she's old.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
So yeah, old is your brother. He's got to be
forty late forty.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Oh wow, Yeah, this is the one that was in
jail right.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah, his daughter.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
We've met.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
We just saw each other like less than a month ago.
But yeah, she is really cool and it's funny because
she's like, we just tell each other where people were cousins,
because it's like complicated to be like, oh yeah right
my niece, right right, But yeah, so it's pretty funny.
So yeah, she and I are cool and that's fun.
(16:31):
And yeah, but I've never met him before. We talked before, obviously,
but we've never met.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
What's up, y'all? It's schagara ebn a here, and be
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channel at the Professional Homegirl. Now let's get back to
the show. What do they think about what you're doing?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Joel and his sister my sister too, but sister like
full sister because they share my dad and the mom.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I don't think they're super excited about it.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
My oldest sister, Kathy is pretty enthusiastic, but she's like
probably this, like she's like older, she's I was gonna
say the same age as my mom, but that wouldn't
make any sense. I think she's like like ten years
younger than my mom, so she's like older.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I mean, she's like in her fifties.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
And like I don't know if she like fully is like,
you know, understanding, Like like my grandma doesn't know what
a podcast is, so like I don't know if understand.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
But she's like yeah, like good for you.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
But yeah, so they're like you know, they're they're funnily enough.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Now another red flag that I know is that you
mention is that they didn't tape off the house or anything,
like anybody was able to walk freely, and that's I'm like, damn,
what if the police is really involved in this because
I was assumed they're doing a crime scene, especially you know,
with a person a dead body being there, Like why
did y'all not tape it off and do y'all do
dialing just to figure out what was going on? Like
(18:15):
how is it even possible?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah? I think about this a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I think it's at the in the very best case scenario,
it's horrible negligence and at every worst case scenario, it's
protecting their involvement, and neither is a good thing. And
I look at it like, this is how I see it,
and I'm not you know, I'm not in charge of
our justice system, so I can see it however I want.
(18:44):
And this is how I say, right, I see it
like if my friend commits a murder and I drive
the getaway car, I go to jail too. They get
twenty years, I get ten, Like I'm an accomplice because
I helped them get away with murder. If police don't
tape off a scene, don't swipe for fingerprints, don't look
(19:06):
for a suspect, don't do anything really, essentially, they're helping
someone get away with murder. I'm not considered an accomplice
now in murder because they've now allowed someone to walk free.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
And you know, that is just how I see it.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I know that's not you know, the reality and of
how the world sees it and the system sees it.
But to me, it's no different than driving the getaway car.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
And it also makes me feel like, this is how
you view people.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
That look like I mean, there's a reason why they
didn't tape off the scene, and it's not because they're stupid.
You know, they're they're dumb, but they're not stupid. And
you know the first thing you learn is tape off
a scene at a suspected homicide fact nobody can enter
(20:02):
do that is wildly suspicious.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, now have you and your sister what was that
conversation like the one who was there? Do y'all still
talk or are y'all close? We still talk?
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah, we aren't like super close, but we talk quite
a bit. I mean i'd say like every couple of
weeks we're like talking or we're sharing like articles or
oh did you see this and what about that?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
You thought about this? So yeah, we're we're still in
touch for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Now, as you dug deeper into your father's case, several
names kept coming up. So you have Omar who is
your cousin, Daryl who's an associate of your father, and Rico,
who is his nephew. So Omar was a key witness,
but he kept changing his story under oath. So what
do you think he's hiding? Because I really do feel like,
Ohmar knows exactly who did it. But I'm like, what
(20:54):
if you don't want to be involved and just don't
say nothing at all exactly?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
And that's what it's so funny to he is just
like it's almost like he loves inserting himself in the
middle of this. It's so crazy. And once again back
to the police. Is like, really weird for me is
that they never worked him as a suspect. They were
instructed by their higher ups to only work him as
(21:22):
a witness. And so I think that gave Omar this
sort of confidence that he was never going to be
considered a suspect, which then gave him this authority to
like kind of run his mouth because he could because
he knew They're never going to work me as a suspect,
so it doesn't matter what I say or what I do.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And so I think that is really bizarre.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
And now we have Rico, who's your father's nephew, who
was serving a life sentence after your father's national him,
which led Rico to get charged with a Rico And
I'm like, when I was listening to y'all conversation, I
kind of felt like, damn, Like, no matter what he
I feel like he really still love your father.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah, that the Rico interview was probably the most surprising
for me, right I. I I left feeling.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Really weird, like very conflicted and confused.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
You definitely feel from a listener's point of view. I
feel like you felt different with his interview compared to
like with.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, yeah I did. I felt yeah, And maybe there's
this element of.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Like the blood level right or related, And I think
that was really and there's so much, you know, more
of a that I didn't even put because it was long.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
We talked for a long time, but.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
He felt comfortable with you.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
But then you know, it goes back to like Rico
got that Rico charge when he was young. I mean,
there was a lot of spec elation he was taking
the fall for someone else, because how could this like
nineteen year old really be the ringleader of this group.
A lot of people on the other side were saying, no,
he is like a charmer.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
He's smart.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
He is capable of leading like a group of fifty
drug dealers ranging from age sixteen to fifty five, because
he really smart.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
And you know, that was a common.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Theme among people I talked to to get background on
Rico was Rico's tactful, he's smart. He knows how to
how to live and how to play the game of life.
And so going into that interview kind of with that
knowledge and then hearing him talk, it's very disorienting. Because
you're like, what's real and what's not? What's you know,
(23:51):
real raw emotion and what's you trying to cover your ass?
I don't know, and I can't really decipher because you're
so good at this. And it was very it was
very jarring, and it was very scary because he was
saying a lot of the right things.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
He was and you said, my Grandma's like, I mean,
he knew what to say, and it made sense why
for years a lot of my family members were like, oh,
we love Rico, Like we love him.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
We go to his house all the time.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
He has us over, he throws parties, cookouts, he has
the kids over, they swim in his pool, like we
love him. And I'm I'm like, oh, I get it,
Like I get it, but.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Is it all real? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah. Yeah. And even when he was saying how like
he's proud of you, and he was like somebody in
the family gotta make it. And I was just like, damn,
like this is a lot. H this is a lot.
And then you have your conversation with Daryl. He reached
out to you after listening to your podcast and looking back, like,
how do you feel about that conversation because I feel
(25:03):
like Daryl was I don't know, Darrol just don't sit
right with me, because then later on we found out
he's in jail bragging about killing somehow.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah, my conversation with Daryl was really crazy too.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
But and you was really going, I can your emotions,
oh man, Yeah, but I felt your energy.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I was nervous. I was very was my first time
and that was in person, you know. With Rico, we
were on the phone, so it was a little bit
different too. We didn't get to like see each other,
you know. With Daryl, it was I had spent all
day in the library, so I was sitting in the
room we were in for like most of the day.
And then he met up with me in the afternoon,
and gosh, it was so crazy seeing him in person.
(25:46):
I mean, this is someone I've like seen mugshots off
for like six years. I've been like looking up for
a long time. I've been doing a lot of research
on and and then we had, you know, exchanged some messages,
so to meet in person, it was like, it It's
just great.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
It was great, and.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
He felt it, so he knew you were nervous.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah, it was really really crazy, and he was also
very you know, manipulative in a way where it was
like super charming.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
And eager to help.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
I think that's sort of them of a lot of
these people, is like they wanted to seem like they
want me to find out what happened, so that they.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Right, like they y'all in the same Yeah, we're.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
We're doing the same thing.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
And Rico kind of did the same thing too, where
he was like, you know, I want you to like
be successful and do the thing, and it's like.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Okay, Grandma would.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Be yeah, like okay, like I don't whatever. So yeah,
it was very interesting. But yeah, the Daryl stuff was
weird because I got really excited when he first reached
out because he was like, oh, yeah, everyone in prisons
talking about your podcast, and I was like, hey, if
I'm gonna have an audience, like at least people literally
(27:03):
can't go anywhere, they have to sit there and listen.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
That's why I'm the Yeah, so I was like, oh, yeah,
I guess that's good.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
It was just funny because I was like, oh interesting,
but yeah, I was. I was really eager to meet
up with him because again, I mean, he was the
police's main suspect. So I thought, in my mind at
least he'd have some info, and he gave a lot
of context and stuff, but he obviously didn't talk a
lot about the murder because he says he wasn't there
and he didn't do it and blah blah blah. But yeah,
(27:37):
it's really interesting how he reached out to me, And
you know, I had the rico kind of came to
me too through his daughter, who reached out and said like, Hey,
if you're going to talk about my dad, like my
dad said, he wants to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
So he kind of came to me also.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
But then I, you know, had to be like on
top of him as well to be like, hey, let's
do this.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Right, because I feel like he was a little hesitant.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
In Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I mean, and I didn't hear from him until a
lot of episodes were out, and that what he didn't
reach out to me until I talked to Darryl.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Once he found out I talked to.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Darryl is when I heard from his daughter, that was like, Oh,
my dad's going to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So that was really interesting.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
And kind of says a lot given the context that
Rico was very adamant he knows who did it and
just wasn't going to tell me the fact. His timing
of reaching out to me was like, Okay, is this
a clue?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Is this a sign? Are you trying to say something?
So it's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
We're almost finished. But after all the conversations that you have,
who do you feel like is being the most honest
with you? Because I feel like, from a listener's perspective,
and I can only imagine how you feel, I feel
like it would be so hard to trust anybody, even yourself.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's true. I don't really trust anyone.
I think the person that's the most honest with me
right now is my sister. And I think she's you know,
she's super real about what she does and doesn't remember
when she has a memory pop up that she couldn't
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remember before she reaches out, She's like, oh, you said
this on the show and that reminded me of this
thing I forgot about. I do remember hearing that name,
or I do remember hearing something.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
So I think she's the most honest. And outside of that,
I mean, I don't really trust anyone.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
So do you feel like your dad's murder was an
inside job, whether it was a cover up by the
town or your family.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I don't think that someone accidentally gets shot in the
head with one gun, shot at a doorstep, with no
robbery involved my dad. Nothing from my dad's house was stolen.
They didn't even enter the house. They went there, they
shot him, they left. I think that it was absolutely intentional.
I think any police officer that says, oh, they saw
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him reach for a gun and they did it out
of self defense because they thought.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
They were going to get shot at is all.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
You're on someone else's doorstep, Yeah, and you're scared you're
going to get shot, so you kill someone you're at
their house.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You didn't take nothing, nothing.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Wow, they didn't even enter the home.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
They kicked the door in, and from outside of the
doorway they shot my dad and then they left. So
with one kill shot. I mean, it wasn't like they
were like boom boom boom, and.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
The one of them.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
That's how you know it was personal.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
It was very deeply personal, and it was someone who
knew exactly what they were doing and they were calm,
cool and collected enough to get it and leave. Yeah,
So I think it was absolutely intentional. I think this
was planned. I think there were a lot of people
involved in the planning and execution of this.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
And a lot more people involved in the cover up.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
You feel like your father's life would have mattered more
if he wasn't a black man, what a criminal record? Oh?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Absolutely, undoubtedly. I think this case would have been solved
within months.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Does it ever feel like Tom is just standing steel
while you're just trying to figure all this out?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
No, it feels like time is moving very fast and
I am losing all of it and I am never
going to get these moments back in my life. And
that is deeply frustrated because I can tell I'm missing
you know, I think every part of our life is important,
(31:41):
and I think we learned that during COVID, right when
it was sort of like, who's at a greater loss?
Is it the kids graduating high school right now? Is
it the kids graduating college? Is it the kids losing
all their twenties? Is it that people with all their thirties?
What about the people in their forties? Who's losing the
most for these four years of COVID? And the reality
was everyone, everybody, All of those moments are really important,
(32:05):
and so when you take that out, you're missing a
really big chunk of your life. And so there wasn't
anyone sort of at a greater loss. It was just
everyone was losing. And I feel like that right now
with this, where it's like time continues to move. I
started looking into this when I was twenty four years old.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
That's when I called get the case files.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
And I turned thirty in two months, and so to me,
it's like time has just moved so fast, and I
wish so badly that I could be twenty four again
and start this last six years over without this weight
and go how.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Amazing and fun would my life have been? How amazing
and fun would my twenties have been?
Speaker 4 (32:54):
If I wasn't spending all of my time, energy and
money investigating my dad's murder. What would I've spent one
hundred K on? What would I have done? Where would
I have gone? What would I have for my future?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Like? What would my life have looked like?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
And it just feels like time just keeps spinning and
it's going light years faster than I ever thought it could.
And I've missed out on all of these things.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Damn, when I see you I'm gonna pull up to
your show. I'm gonna give you a hug, Madison, because
I feel your energy and it's a lot, but I'm
telling you it's it's bigger than you your father, Like
you've really helping a lot of people out. So we're
gonna get this go fund me link popping. We're gonna
support you because I feel like I feel like you
about to break and I don't want that to happen
(33:40):
for you, Madison. So we're gonna get you together, and
then I'm gonna buy you a camera going Amazon, get
your camera for your house, because my girl is stressed,
like I can tell, like, Okay, we almost finished our promise.
But how has your view of death and legacy evolved
over the years?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Oh, oh gosh, I mean I think that I I mean,
I'm not afraid of death anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Clearly, tell.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I think my my idea of legacy is really shifted
because I think that you know, we all well, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I think we try to or I try to.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Build a life that's like worthy of legacy, right And
and it's funny because it's like as if that's in
our control, because if it were my dad's legacy would
be completely different than it is now.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I think the.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Legacy is in the hands of the people that you're
around and who is left behind.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
And I think the only thing you can.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Do is be so good to people that you they
have no choice but to like really carry on your memory.
You don't decide what your legacy is. It's really up
to other people. And I think that's something that like
is really stuck with me because we think that like,
you work hard and you do all these things, and
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that's the legacy.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
You leave behind.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
But if everyone is talking about it and it didn't
really do anything for anyone, then it really doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
And yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
That's sort of how this is all evolved and changed
because twenty years ago, like I don't think anyone would
have thought my dad would have any sort of legacy,
And now it feels like, you know, I'd love to
see laws changed with his name on it and like
things done in the name of J. C. McGee, And
it's like that's a legacy and that wasn't because he
(35:38):
did or didn't do anything. It's because the people who
were left behind did something for him. And so I
hope that like I'm building a community of people that
if you know, one day I'm not here, they do
something on my behalf, because really they carry the legacy.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
It's not up to us, right.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Do you ever feel your day it?
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yeah? I feel I have, Like it's so weird. I
think there's a ghost in my apartment. My friend hates
when I talk about those. He thinks it's so creepy.
But I'm like, oh, don't worry, it's just my dad.
And he's like what and I'm like, oh, yeah, like
he's in the other room and fine.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I had a medium actually come to my apartment a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
We got to get a movie, Madison, We gotta get
a movie.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I was just like, what is so crazy?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I It started with my cat was so my desk.
So this is like my second room and my apartment
and my desk. My cat was like over on this
side and she was like staring like above my desk,
but like into the air, like she was like looking
at there was nothing there, and she was like staring.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
And at the time, oh, they're still here.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
But my dad's case files were under my desk, and
I kept being like, that's so weird.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Was she looking at and she was doing it for
like a long time.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
And my cat's pretty crazy, like she's a Bengal, she
like runs around, she's psycho, and she was super calm,
and she was like reaching for something above my desk.
I mean, it was like so crazy. And she did
it for long enough I like videoed it. It was
like a two and a half minute long video. It's
so crazy. So I sent it to my friend and
she was like, Oh, there's like a spirit in your apartment,
(37:25):
like she's looking at something.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
And I was like, Oh, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
So I called this girl I'd never really talked to before,
but I had her info from another friend, and she
knew nothing about my dad. The podcast wasn't out yet,
you couldn't google anything, and I was just like, hey, Kelsey,
like wondering if you could like come over to my
house and do like a reading with me. And she
was like, yeah, sure, totally. So she came over and
I was like, I want to do it in this room.
So we like sat on this couch and it was
(37:50):
the craziest thing ever. She sat down and she was
like when I came in, I saw something and I
was like oh, and she was like I saw a
woman standing in front of a man, and the man
was like hiding in the shadows. He wouldn't come out
because he felt unjustified. Mm and like she knows nothing.
(38:12):
She does no, my dad is dead. She doesn't know
he was murdered.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
She knows nothing.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
And I was like what, and she was like and
she kept using the word like unjustified, Like he feels
like there's no justice, and he won't come out until
there's justice. And I think the woman standing in front
of him was my grandma that Rico references, because my
grandma kept saying like, I can't die until I know
what happened to my son. I can't die until I
(38:36):
know what happened to my son. And I think she
found out and she she was in the hospital shortly after.
And my aunt Pearl, who is Omar's mom, is the
one who decided to.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Pull the plug.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Whow So I think that she found out and Pearl
was very eager to like expedite this this situation.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I mean, she was sick and old.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I'm not saying like Pearl killed my grandma, but I
think that you know, she was like, Okay, you're old,
you're sick, and you know, it was so and so
we gotta you're done. And I do think that my
grandma died knowing what happened. So yeah, very weird.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
But she came over. I mean she was here for
like an hour and a half. I actually recorded the
whole thing.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
I've never released it, so I'm thinking about doing it
as like a bonus episode now because so much of
this was like two over two years ago. To kind
of see e, like, she said a lot of stuff.
I haven't even really listened back in a while. She
said a lot of stuff, and I kind of want
to go through and be like, oh, and that's true
and that happened, and then that happened, and oh my god,
she said this and I didn't even remember and then
(39:48):
this happened, and I'd love to kind of go back
through it. But even in that moment, it was like,
cause I'm kind of like, I'm spiritual and I feel
stuff sometimes, but like young stuff, I'm kind of like, man,
not for me, which is why I went and I
was like, I'm not going to tell this girl anything.
So if she's like talking all kinds of crazy, like
I'm going to know it's not real and then she
started doing all this stuff and I was like, I mean,
I was like, h.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
It was so crazy. So it was really interesting.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
She said a bunch of stuff and she like looked
to the case files and she's like pointing at things,
and it was so bizarre. It was really powerful. And
I think that that was like kind of my dad.
This was like about a month before the show came out,
first episode dropped, and so I do think it was
this moment of my dad being like, okay, like put
it out and like, let's just see what happens.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And yeah, so we spoke about this earlier. So what
does closure look like for you if you don't get justice?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I think I already have it. I think I have.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
I'm at a point where I can anything more I
do now is great, and I'm going to keep going
as long as I physically can. But like, between bankrupting
myself to solve my dad's murder and getting his name
googleable and all this coverage, I'm like, I think I
can confidently say I've done everything I can to solve
(41:05):
this case. And I think that's the point that two
years ago, if you had asked me, like what I
really wanted it was that it was I want to
do whatever it takes to solve it. And I do
now feel like I've done everything that I can, and
I'd love to do more, but I do feel like
I'm at a point where it's like anything more is
more and anything I've done so far.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Is like everything I could have done.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Yea, And so to me, I think that's that's closure,
is going to bed at night going like I did
everything that I possibly could do. I put it out there,
I talked to people, I flew back and met with
Darryl Smith, and I talked to Rico, and I got
the police's attention, and you know, I did all this stuff.
(41:48):
Like to me, that's a sense of closure. I would
love for this case to go to court, and I
would love for everyone who was involved in the murder
and in some sort of cover up to see their
day in court. But for now, I feel like I've
done everything I can, and I think that is that's
(42:12):
closure to me.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
And last, but not least, if you can speak to
your dad one last time, what would you say to him?
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Can I borrow one hundred bucks?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
No? Because I know he has some coins?
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Okay, I I mean I would have been like move
to La No, I don't know. It's it's so interesting
because it's like then I start to contextualize and I'm like,
what would I say now, or what would I say
(42:45):
if he had never been murdered and we were just
kicking it and I didn't know any of this stuff
about him.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
It's interesting.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
I do wish that I could have kind of a
normal relationship with my dad. Uh you know, my sister
and my dad kind of fought a lot because she
was sixteen and she was going through you know, those
teenage years and whatever.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
And it's funny.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
I'm like, oh, I wish I could fight with my
dad like I wish I had, you know, those most
like real raw like emotion with like oh, I want
to hate my dad, you know, I want to be
like sixteen and my dad tells me I can't go
to the movies and I'm like and I sneak out
and fuck, like you don't love me, you don't want
me to have any fun, like I want those moments.
(43:28):
And yeah, it's it's weird. There's a lot I wish
that I could have had. I mean, I think now,
like it's very interesting. I'm seeing someone who I really
am excited about, and it's like, oh I wish that,
like like I wish he could meet my dad.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
I would you know, Like I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
I just it's like very weird to be in this
position and be like, oh, I just wish she was
here for like these moments in my life that are
like really important and exciting. Like I just ordered my
mom Mother's Day flowers and I would have been like, hey, Dad,
can we like go half and half?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Right?
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Well, like just like little it's the little things that
I think I wish I could sort of participate in
and like do with my dad that.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I just can't and it's a bummer. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Well, I'm super proud of you, sus I'm really happy
that we were able to connect. And however I can
support you, I will be doing it. So tell everybody
where we can support you at give us your socials,
tell us what's next so we can stay up to
date and keep supporting you and keep you lifted because
I can only imagine how taxing this is on you.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Yeah. Yeah, so I'm the podcast is Ice Cold Case.
Wherever you get your podcasts, it's Ice Cold Case on
social And then I'm Madison underscore.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Magee on everything.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
And yeah, I'm gonna be posting more clips soon.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yes, And to listeners, if you have any questions, come
it's concerns, please make sure to email me. He hello
at the psgpodcast dot com. And this was fun. I
had so much fun with you.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Thank you so much for having me. This was amazing.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
You're amazing, and I'm truly so glad that we got
to do this.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Me too, Me too, because you know, Delta almost held
me beat He's supposed to have been done this. But
that's the whole story. But until next time, everyone later,
not gonna say.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Bye, oh bye.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Welcome back to Pretty Private, Isha Girl Ebina here and
I hope all is cute. How are you feeling out
their professional homegirls? How y't feeling? I ain't gonna hold
you your girl? Been feeling really good lately? Okay, you know,
lately I've been like really obsessing with my life and
what I wanted to look like over the next few years,
(00:46):
especially in two years because I'll be hitting a mouse stone.
So I've been having my head down. I'm like super
locked in, you know, just really create it and working
towards my goals like I normally do. But I don't know, lately,
I've just been like really like wanting to go even
super hard without bringing myself out again. But have you
(01:06):
ever like visualized something so clearly that it feels so real,
like you can actually see it, Like I feel like
lately I even just seeing or just probably receiving like
little downloads of what my life is about to look like.
And I think that's what's keeping me so excited, because y'all.
When I tell y'all, I can vividly see me traveling,
(01:29):
and I travel a lot already, but I can just
see what my home would look like, I can see
what my life will look like, and like, I'm just
like really excited, and I feel like that's my future
self and also just God telling me, like, come on, girl,
just keep going, keep going. You almost there self. Let
me know what y'all to. Email me at Hello at
the PSHG podcast dot com and let me know what
you've been working on or what you've been visualizing for yourself.
(01:51):
And also the funny thing is, I would love to
have someone on the show who interprets dreams or vision
because I'm just so fascinated by all of that. And
it's so funny because back in the day, I was
so close to interviewing a neurologist and because I'm just
so obsessed with the mind and I think the mind
is just so amazing. But obviously we couldn't lock in
(02:14):
a date, so maybe I spend the block on her
and see what's up, because I would love to have
her insight and for her to really break down the mind,
like especially when it comes to like trauma and like
serial killers and like things of that nature. Like I
would love to die to dive into that. So I
keep y'all posting, I know, So can we ke KEI
right quick? So y'all, y'all know, I had such a
(02:36):
hard time letting go of the name, let alone the
theme song, y'all, because I just love the original theme song.
I ain't gonna lie y'all this new one. I was
listening to last week's episode, and baby the way I
was bopping my head, I said, Okay, now, like I
really really really am enjoying this rebrand, Like the rebrand
(02:59):
is making me so happy, and I just love the
fact that you all are still emailing me, leaving comments
on Instagram, hitting me up because some of y'all got
my number, child, and just telling me how much y'all
really love the theme song and just the rebrand overall.
So thank you, think you, thank you, Like I think
I could do a little work too, you know what
I'm saying. Okay, So on this week's episode, y'all really
(03:23):
enjoyed Part one with Madison. I'm like, super ossessed with Madison.
She's obsessed with me, So I cannot wait for you
all to hear Part two because we take the conversation
even deeper. Madison and I talk about her relationship with
her father before he was murdered and a complex reality
of interviewing close friends and family, some of whom are
actually suspects in his unsolved case. Okay. We also explore
(03:47):
what closure really looks like when justice still feels out
of reach. Madison also shares her thoughts on Time, which
it was very interesting, and she talks about how it
moves and how it weighs on us and how always
shapes the way we grieve, investigate, and just overall heal.
So I know we are just getting started with season three, y'all,
but hands down, my conversation with Madison has been thus
(04:10):
far one of my favorite episodes in season three. And
I'm saying that because I got fifteen episodes ready to go.
Your girl is not playing. I'm not trying to get
burnt out again, so I'm like, let me bash your
court and get ahead of the program. Okay, But I say,
y'all to say get ready because I'm solving my father's murder.
Part two starts. Now, what was your relationship like with
(04:32):
him before he passed away.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
We were close.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I didn't live with him full time, but I he
was like two and a half hours away, so I
was like visiting and seeing him. He would come down
and see me. I live with my mom but and
my grandma, but he would come down and I would
go up. I was actually meant to spend the following week.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
With my dad.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oh my god, that was crazy too.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, so we were supposed to.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
So he was killed on a Thursday, and like that
weekend was supposed to be kind of like the swap,
and I was supposed to go up stay with him
for a week and potentially longer. I mean it was summertime,
so like sometimes I'd be like I want to say,
and like I'm with my sister and whatever, But like
I was meant to be there for the week with
my dad. It had already been coordinated organized, like everything
(05:19):
was in place for me to go there. And obviously
that didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
But yeah, and then you discovered that your dad was
a drug dealer that turned who turned into an informant
and I thought it was funny because you was like
somebody was like, ye, he was a voluntary informant, and
I'm like, who s wants to be a voluntary informant?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Like right, yeah, what does that even really mean?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I you know, you're you're an informant because they were
about to get you for something and you you know,
don't want to go to prison or do time or
you know, whatever it is, or pay the fine or whatever.
And yeah, I mean my dad was a victim of again,
a very dark system that exploits mostly black people into
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doing police bidding and getting killed because the police don't
want to put themselves in the line of fire of
like going after these drug dealers, so they just pit
each other, them against each other, and absolutely, you know,
use them as sort of this shield and if they die, it's.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Fine, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
There's this there's this term that they use within police
departments across the country called misdemeanor murder, and it's used
for when drug dealers kill other drug dealers.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Or murderer murderers or whatever.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
And it's sort of used to like say, when someone
is killed that isn't useful to society. They call it
a misdemeanor murder because the person who did it is
probably never going to go to jail or get time
for the murder because the police don't care enough to
spend resources to catch that person because in their mind, well,
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they took care of someone else for us. Yeah, it's
it's a commonly used term. They also use like NHI
no human involved killing. So they really treat these people
like they're not people at all.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Wow. Damn. So when you learned all this stuff about
your father, did that change how you how you viewed him?
Kind of?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
But in like the opposite way, Like it may maybe
would make you think I was like, damn, my god sucked,
But I was like damn, Like what a multifaceted god?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Right, Like, oh my God, Like.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Because I had no idea that this was going on,
So like he was really able to like still be
a good dad do all this stuff. So I like, wow,
like he really was like a multitasker. Oh maybe that's
where I get it from. So yeah, I mean it
was like very interesting to find out, of course, and it.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Makes you question a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I Mean I'm like, Mom, what the hell were you
doing with like a drug dealing? I like what is
going on, but you know, at the end of the day,
it's like, that's my family, that's my dad. But yeah,
it definitely had me thinking about a lot of different
things and a lot of different aspects of you know,
what my life would have been like with my.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Dad, what would have happened? Would you know what would
have been?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And I'll never know, And it's it's sad, it's unfortunate,
it's frustrating sometimes, but it's nice in a way that
I get to have this opportunity now to kind of
get to know my dad and learn about him and
learn about, you know, what kind of friend he was,
and what kind of person he was, and what he
was doing with his spare time, and.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You know, when he wasn't being a dad, what he
was up to. And I do.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Think that my dad had really good intentions with what
he was doing, and I think his priority and every
decision he made always really tied back to, like, I
want to build a better life for my children.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I just think that when you look at it from
that perspective, it really changes the way that you think
about drug dealers in general. You know, I definitely have
built sort of an empathy for people who are in
that lifestyle and doing that work now because of this,
(09:24):
And you know, it doesn't make it right. And I
don't justify what my dad was doing by any means.
You know, I think that drugs are really dangerous and
responsible for you know, overdoses, and people are dying every
day from like you know, drug deals just going really south.
And I don't necessarily think that that's like a great
(09:45):
noble career by any stretch, But I do have an
understanding now of kind of that world and what happens
behind closed doors and why that's going on. And it's
a lot more systemic than it appears to be on
the surface. But yeah, I've enjoyed getting to know my
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dad in my late twenties.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Through the lens of you know, his friends and family.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, And I also thought it was kind of intuitive
that he knew that. It felt like he was mentally
preparing himself for dulf, like he knew it was coming.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah. I think he my dad was someone who was
so paranoid that it was almost psychic in.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
A way.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Where I don't know if he manifested it or if
he just knew, but yeah, I think he recognized the
life that he was sort of born into and then
consequently the choices he had made, and he knew his
fate was written on the wall, and it was just
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a though.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Now another part of the story where I was like, Madison,
what are we doing here? Is when you was telling
the story about your dad when he ran a bar
and it was sex workers upstairs, and Madame Marie she
used to sell the babies of those sex workers who
didn't want to keep them, and she was selling the
babies for like twenty k And I was like, where
does she get this from?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, so it's an old like I guess, rumor through
this town. This woman, Madame Marie, she was based in
Philadelphia and she she owned and operated this house where
there were sex workers on one side and this sort
of illegal adoption ring on the other and one that
(11:43):
is crazy, the sex workers if they ever got pregnant,
she then you know, they were required to remain clean
so that they could have healthy babies. And so they
met other side of the house where they had to
remain clean, and they were you know, eating well and
doing all the things that you need to do when
you're pregnant to have a healthy baby, and yeah, it's
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I've never been able to sort of verify any of
that as far as like, I don't know who Madam
Murray is. I don't have any sort of adoption paperwork. Obviously,
this was all very under the table, so I don't
know if that would have even existed, right, But I've
heard that from that story has been been told to
(12:27):
me by several people, including the police. My mom heard
it from directly from my dad. The police knew about this.
It was just this very weird sort of story that's
attached to my dad's murder and just continued to be
passed down. And the details are murky, and you know,
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unsure of if Shane, my brother, who was part of
this sort of program, was taken home with the family
and then retrieved, or if he ever left the hospital
with them at all, or if Dinnan kept the baby
on her and didn't let him go, or if they
didn't want him because he was born addicted to drugs
and Shane Bill has a lot of mental health issues
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as a result of being born in this condition, and
so it's very unclear kind of what went down in
that moment and when that was happening. But everyone that
I've spoken to, it's the one story, weirdly, that has
remained consistent between everyone's retelling of this. A lot of
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details changed person to person about a lot of things,
and the one thing that has remained really consistent is
this Madame Marie story.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, and I mean, and that's a whole another story
on his own.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
So yeah, oh yeah, that's happening in two thousand and
two and happening so underground. You know, I can only
imagine how sophisticated those houses and systems are out in
twenty five and how underground they are.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
So yeah, it is. Again it goes back to like
this is so much bigger than.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
My dad, And is there a world where like someone
comes forward and is like I worked for Madame Marie
or I know who that is, or I she's still
doing this and this is what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You know, there's something she's still alive.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Wow, God bless your brother man, because I can only
imagine how that how that's messing with him. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
are you clothes?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
We've never met.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
We are friends on Facebook, we talk sometimes, but we've
never met in person before.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Do you want to meet him?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, I'm open to that for sure. He does have
a lot of stuffy's going on, so yeah, but of
course I'm like, very open to I would love to
meet all my siblings.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I've only met one.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yes, your sister, how many simple as you have? Because
I know your daddy loves love him?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Some women to I have.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
So Shane's my younger brother, and I have four older
siblings outside of Alissa, so four older than both of us.
One of them, i've heard is has passed away. I
think during COVID there was some potentially like illness complication
situation there. And then the other three are still alive
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and I haven't met them before.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I'm surprised I haven't linked up yet. Yeah, it's complicated. Yeah,
I guess I was Gonnay. I can only imagine how
complicated and challenging it is.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah, my older brother, I met his daughter, so she
and I are are friendly.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
She used to live in LA so we met up.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
It's funny she's technically my niece, but she's old.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
So yeah, old is your brother. He's got to be
forty late forty.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Oh wow, Yeah, this is the one that was in
jail right.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah, his daughter.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
We've met.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
We just saw each other like less than a month ago.
But yeah, she is really cool and it's funny because
she's like, we just tell each other where people were cousins,
because it's like complicated to be like, oh yeah right
my niece, right right, But yeah, so it's pretty funny.
So yeah, she and I are cool and that's fun.
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And yeah, but I've never met him before. We talked before, obviously,
but we've never met.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
What's up, y'all? It's schagara ebn a here, and be
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channel at the Professional Homegirl. Now let's get back to
the show. What do they think about what you're doing?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Joel and his sister my sister too, but sister like
full sister because they share my dad and the mom.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I don't think they're super excited about it.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
My oldest sister, Kathy is pretty enthusiastic, but she's like
probably this, like she's like older, she's I was gonna
say the same age as my mom, but that wouldn't
make any sense. I think she's like like ten years
younger than my mom, so she's like older.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I mean, she's like in her fifties.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
And like I don't know if she like fully is like,
you know, understanding, Like like my grandma doesn't know what
a podcast is, so like I don't know if understand.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
But she's like yeah, like good for you.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
But yeah, so they're like you know, they're they're funnily enough.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Now another red flag that I know is that you
mention is that they didn't tape off the house or anything,
like anybody was able to walk freely, and that's I'm like, damn,
what if the police is really involved in this because
I was assumed they're doing a crime scene, especially you know,
with a person a dead body being there, Like why
did y'all not tape it off and do y'all do
dialing just to figure out what was going on? Like
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how is it even possible?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah? I think about this a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I think it's at the in the very best case scenario,
it's horrible negligence and at every worst case scenario, it's
protecting their involvement, and neither is a good thing. And
I look at it like, this is how I see it,
and I'm not you know, I'm not in charge of
our justice system, so I can see it however I want.
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And this is how I say, right, I see it
like if my friend commits a murder and I drive
the getaway car, I go to jail too. They get
twenty years, I get ten, Like I'm an accomplice because
I helped them get away with murder. If police don't
tape off a scene, don't swipe for fingerprints, don't look
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for a suspect, don't do anything really, essentially, they're helping
someone get away with murder. I'm not considered an accomplice
now in murder because they've now allowed someone to walk free.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
And you know, that is just how I see it.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I know that's not you know, the reality and of
how the world sees it and the system sees it.
But to me, it's no different than driving the getaway car.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
And it also makes me feel like, this is how
you view people.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
That look like I mean, there's a reason why they
didn't tape off the scene, and it's not because they're stupid.
You know, they're they're dumb, but they're not stupid. And
you know the first thing you learn is tape off
a scene at a suspected homicide fact nobody can enter
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do that is wildly suspicious.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, now have you and your sister what was that
conversation like the one who was there? Do y'all still
talk or are y'all close? We still talk?
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah, we aren't like super close, but we talk quite
a bit. I mean i'd say like every couple of
weeks we're like talking or we're sharing like articles or
oh did you see this and what about that?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
You thought about this? So yeah, we're we're still in
touch for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Now, as you dug deeper into your father's case, several
names kept coming up. So you have Omar who is
your cousin, Daryl who's an associate of your father, and Rico,
who is his nephew. So Omar was a key witness,
but he kept changing his story under oath. So what
do you think he's hiding? Because I really do feel like,
Ohmar knows exactly who did it. But I'm like, what
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if you don't want to be involved and just don't
say nothing at all exactly?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
And that's what it's so funny to he is just
like it's almost like he loves inserting himself in the
middle of this. It's so crazy. And once again back
to the police. Is like, really weird for me is
that they never worked him as a suspect. They were
instructed by their higher ups to only work him as
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a witness. And so I think that gave Omar this
sort of confidence that he was never going to be
considered a suspect, which then gave him this authority to
like kind of run his mouth because he could because
he knew They're never going to work me as a suspect,
so it doesn't matter what I say or what I do.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And so I think that is really bizarre.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
And now we have Rico, who's your father's nephew, who
was serving a life sentence after your father's national him,
which led Rico to get charged with a Rico And
I'm like, when I was listening to y'all conversation, I
kind of felt like, damn, Like, no matter what he
I feel like he really still love your father.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah, that the Rico interview was probably the most surprising
for me, right I. I I left feeling.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Really weird, like very conflicted and confused.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
You definitely feel from a listener's point of view. I
feel like you felt different with his interview compared to
like with.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, yeah I did. I felt yeah, And maybe there's
this element of.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Like the blood level right or related, And I think
that was really and there's so much, you know, more
of a that I didn't even put because it was long.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
We talked for a long time, but.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
He felt comfortable with you.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
But then you know, it goes back to like Rico
got that Rico charge when he was young. I mean,
there was a lot of spec elation he was taking
the fall for someone else, because how could this like
nineteen year old really be the ringleader of this group.
A lot of people on the other side were saying, no,
he is like a charmer.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
He's smart.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
He is capable of leading like a group of fifty
drug dealers ranging from age sixteen to fifty five, because
he really smart.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
And you know, that was a common.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Theme among people I talked to to get background on
Rico was Rico's tactful, he's smart. He knows how to
how to live and how to play the game of life.
And so going into that interview kind of with that
knowledge and then hearing him talk, it's very disorienting. Because
you're like, what's real and what's not? What's you know,
(23:51):
real raw emotion and what's you trying to cover your ass?
I don't know, and I can't really decipher because you're
so good at this. And it was very it was
very jarring, and it was very scary because he was
saying a lot of the right things.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
He was and you said, my Grandma's like, I mean,
he knew what to say, and it made sense why
for years a lot of my family members were like, oh,
we love Rico, Like we love him.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
We go to his house all the time.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
He has us over, he throws parties, cookouts, he has
the kids over, they swim in his pool, like we
love him. And I'm I'm like, oh, I get it,
Like I get it, but.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Is it all real? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah. Yeah. And even when he was saying how like
he's proud of you, and he was like somebody in
the family gotta make it. And I was just like, damn,
like this is a lot. H this is a lot.
And then you have your conversation with Daryl. He reached
out to you after listening to your podcast and looking back, like,
how do you feel about that conversation because I feel
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like Daryl was I don't know, Darrol just don't sit
right with me, because then later on we found out
he's in jail bragging about killing somehow.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah, my conversation with Daryl was really crazy too.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
But and you was really going, I can your emotions,
oh man, Yeah, but I felt your energy.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I was nervous. I was very was my first time
and that was in person, you know. With Rico, we
were on the phone, so it was a little bit
different too. We didn't get to like see each other,
you know. With Daryl, it was I had spent all
day in the library, so I was sitting in the
room we were in for like most of the day.
And then he met up with me in the afternoon,
and gosh, it was so crazy seeing him in person.
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I mean, this is someone I've like seen mugshots off
for like six years. I've been like looking up for
a long time. I've been doing a lot of research
on and and then we had, you know, exchanged some messages,
so to meet in person, it was like, it It's
just great.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
It was great, and.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
He felt it, so he knew you were nervous.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah, it was really really crazy, and he was also
very you know, manipulative in a way where it was
like super charming.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
And eager to help.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
I think that's sort of them of a lot of
these people, is like they wanted to seem like they
want me to find out what happened, so that they.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Right, like they y'all in the same Yeah, we're.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
We're doing the same thing.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
And Rico kind of did the same thing too, where
he was like, you know, I want you to like
be successful and do the thing, and it's like.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Okay, Grandma would.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Be yeah, like okay, like I don't whatever. So yeah,
it was very interesting. But yeah, the Daryl stuff was
weird because I got really excited when he first reached
out because he was like, oh, yeah, everyone in prisons
talking about your podcast, and I was like, hey, if
I'm gonna have an audience, like at least people literally
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can't go anywhere, they have to sit there and listen.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
That's why I'm the Yeah, so I was like, oh, yeah,
I guess that's good.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
It was just funny because I was like, oh interesting,
but yeah, I was. I was really eager to meet
up with him because again, I mean, he was the
police's main suspect. So I thought, in my mind at
least he'd have some info, and he gave a lot
of context and stuff, but he obviously didn't talk a
lot about the murder because he says he wasn't there
and he didn't do it and blah blah blah. But yeah,
(27:37):
it's really interesting how he reached out to me, And
you know, I had the rico kind of came to
me too through his daughter, who reached out and said like, Hey,
if you're going to talk about my dad, like my
dad said, he wants to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
So he kind of came to me also.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
But then I, you know, had to be like on
top of him as well to be like, hey, let's
do this.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Right, because I feel like he was a little hesitant.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
In Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I mean, and I didn't hear from him until a
lot of episodes were out, and that what he didn't
reach out to me until I talked to Darryl.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Once he found out I talked to.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Darryl is when I heard from his daughter, that was like, Oh,
my dad's going to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So that was really interesting.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
And kind of says a lot given the context that
Rico was very adamant he knows who did it and
just wasn't going to tell me the fact. His timing
of reaching out to me was like, Okay, is this
a clue?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Is this a sign? Are you trying to say something?
So it's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
We're almost finished. But after all the conversations that you have,
who do you feel like is being the most honest
with you? Because I feel like, from a listener's perspective,
and I can only imagine how you feel, I feel
like it would be so hard to trust anybody, even yourself.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's true. I don't really trust anyone.
I think the person that's the most honest with me
right now is my sister. And I think she's you know,
she's super real about what she does and doesn't remember
when she has a memory pop up that she couldn't
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remember before she reaches out, She's like, oh, you said
this on the show and that reminded me of this
thing I forgot about. I do remember hearing that name,
or I do remember hearing something.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
So I think she's the most honest. And outside of that,
I mean, I don't really trust anyone.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
So do you feel like your dad's murder was an
inside job, whether it was a cover up by the
town or your family.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I don't think that someone accidentally gets shot in the
head with one gun, shot at a doorstep, with no
robbery involved my dad. Nothing from my dad's house was stolen.
They didn't even enter the house. They went there, they
shot him, they left. I think that it was absolutely intentional.
I think any police officer that says, oh, they saw
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him reach for a gun and they did it out
of self defense because they thought.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
They were going to get shot at is all.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
You're on someone else's doorstep, Yeah, and you're scared you're
going to get shot, so you kill someone you're at
their house.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You didn't take nothing, nothing.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Wow, they didn't even enter the home.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
They kicked the door in, and from outside of the
doorway they shot my dad and then they left. So
with one kill shot. I mean, it wasn't like they
were like boom boom boom, and.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
The one of them.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
That's how you know it was personal.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
It was very deeply personal, and it was someone who
knew exactly what they were doing and they were calm,
cool and collected enough to get it and leave. Yeah,
So I think it was absolutely intentional. I think this
was planned. I think there were a lot of people
involved in the planning and execution of this.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
And a lot more people involved in the cover up.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
You feel like your father's life would have mattered more
if he wasn't a black man, what a criminal record? Oh?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Absolutely, undoubtedly. I think this case would have been solved
within months.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Does it ever feel like Tom is just standing steel
while you're just trying to figure all this out?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
No, it feels like time is moving very fast and
I am losing all of it and I am never
going to get these moments back in my life. And
that is deeply frustrated because I can tell I'm missing
you know, I think every part of our life is important,
(31:41):
and I think we learned that during COVID, right when
it was sort of like, who's at a greater loss?
Is it the kids graduating high school right now? Is
it the kids graduating college? Is it the kids losing
all their twenties? Is it that people with all their thirties?
What about the people in their forties? Who's losing the
most for these four years of COVID? And the reality
was everyone, everybody, All of those moments are really important,
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and so when you take that out, you're missing a
really big chunk of your life. And so there wasn't
anyone sort of at a greater loss. It was just
everyone was losing. And I feel like that right now
with this, where it's like time continues to move. I
started looking into this when I was twenty four years old.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
That's when I called get the case files.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
And I turned thirty in two months, and so to me,
it's like time has just moved so fast, and I
wish so badly that I could be twenty four again
and start this last six years over without this weight
and go how.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Amazing and fun would my life have been? How amazing
and fun would my twenties have been?
Speaker 4 (32:54):
If I wasn't spending all of my time, energy and
money investigating my dad's murder. What would I've spent one
hundred K on? What would I have done? Where would
I have gone? What would I have for my future?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Like? What would my life have looked like?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
And it just feels like time just keeps spinning and
it's going light years faster than I ever thought it could.
And I've missed out on all of these things.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Damn, when I see you I'm gonna pull up to
your show. I'm gonna give you a hug, Madison, because
I feel your energy and it's a lot, but I'm
telling you it's it's bigger than you your father, Like
you've really helping a lot of people out. So we're
gonna get this go fund me link popping. We're gonna
support you because I feel like I feel like you
about to break and I don't want that to happen
(33:40):
for you, Madison. So we're gonna get you together, and
then I'm gonna buy you a camera going Amazon, get
your camera for your house, because my girl is stressed,
like I can tell, like, Okay, we almost finished our promise.
But how has your view of death and legacy evolved
over the years?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Oh, oh gosh, I mean I think that I I mean,
I'm not afraid of death anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Clearly, tell.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I think my my idea of legacy is really shifted
because I think that you know, we all well, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I think we try to or I try to.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Build a life that's like worthy of legacy, right And
and it's funny because it's like as if that's in
our control, because if it were my dad's legacy would
be completely different than it is now.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I think the.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Legacy is in the hands of the people that you're
around and who is left behind.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
And I think the only thing you can.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Do is be so good to people that you they
have no choice but to like really carry on your memory.
You don't decide what your legacy is. It's really up
to other people. And I think that's something that like
is really stuck with me because we think that like,
you work hard and you do all these things, and
(35:05):
that's the legacy.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
You leave behind.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
But if everyone is talking about it and it didn't
really do anything for anyone, then it really doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
And yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
That's sort of how this is all evolved and changed
because twenty years ago, like I don't think anyone would
have thought my dad would have any sort of legacy,
And now it feels like, you know, I'd love to
see laws changed with his name on it and like
things done in the name of J. C. McGee, And
it's like that's a legacy and that wasn't because he
(35:38):
did or didn't do anything. It's because the people who
were left behind did something for him. And so I
hope that like I'm building a community of people that
if you know, one day I'm not here, they do
something on my behalf, because really they carry the legacy.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
It's not up to us, right.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Do you ever feel your day it?
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yeah? I feel I have, Like it's so weird. I
think there's a ghost in my apartment. My friend hates
when I talk about those. He thinks it's so creepy.
But I'm like, oh, don't worry, it's just my dad.
And he's like what and I'm like, oh, yeah, like
he's in the other room and fine.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I had a medium actually come to my apartment a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
We got to get a movie, Madison, We gotta get
a movie.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I was just like, what is so crazy?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I It started with my cat was so my desk.
So this is like my second room and my apartment
and my desk. My cat was like over on this
side and she was like staring like above my desk,
but like into the air, like she was like looking
at there was nothing there, and she was like staring.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
And at the time, oh, they're still here.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
But my dad's case files were under my desk, and
I kept being like, that's so weird.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Was she looking at and she was doing it for
like a long time.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
And my cat's pretty crazy, like she's a Bengal, she
like runs around, she's psycho, and she was super calm,
and she was like reaching for something above my desk.
I mean, it was like so crazy. And she did
it for long enough I like videoed it. It was
like a two and a half minute long video. It's
so crazy. So I sent it to my friend and
she was like, Oh, there's like a spirit in your apartment,
(37:25):
like she's looking at something.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
And I was like, Oh, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
So I called this girl I'd never really talked to before,
but I had her info from another friend, and she
knew nothing about my dad. The podcast wasn't out yet,
you couldn't google anything, and I was just like, hey, Kelsey,
like wondering if you could like come over to my
house and do like a reading with me. And she
was like, yeah, sure, totally. So she came over and
I was like, I want to do it in this room.
So we like sat on this couch and it was
(37:50):
the craziest thing ever. She sat down and she was
like when I came in, I saw something and I
was like oh, and she was like I saw a
woman standing in front of a man, and the man
was like hiding in the shadows. He wouldn't come out
because he felt unjustified. Mm and like she knows nothing.
(38:12):
She does no, my dad is dead. She doesn't know
he was murdered.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
She knows nothing.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
And I was like what, and she was like and
she kept using the word like unjustified, Like he feels
like there's no justice, and he won't come out until
there's justice. And I think the woman standing in front
of him was my grandma that Rico references, because my
grandma kept saying like, I can't die until I know
what happened to my son. I can't die until I
(38:36):
know what happened to my son. And I think she
found out and she she was in the hospital shortly after.
And my aunt Pearl, who is Omar's mom, is the
one who decided to.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Pull the plug.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Whow So I think that she found out and Pearl
was very eager to like expedite this this situation.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I mean, she was sick and old.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I'm not saying like Pearl killed my grandma, but I
think that you know, she was like, Okay, you're old,
you're sick, and you know, it was so and so
we gotta you're done. And I do think that my
grandma died knowing what happened. So yeah, very weird.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
But she came over. I mean she was here for
like an hour and a half. I actually recorded the
whole thing.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
I've never released it, so I'm thinking about doing it
as like a bonus episode now because so much of
this was like two over two years ago. To kind
of see e, like, she said a lot of stuff.
I haven't even really listened back in a while. She
said a lot of stuff, and I kind of want
to go through and be like, oh, and that's true
and that happened, and then that happened, and oh my god,
she said this and I didn't even remember and then
(39:48):
this happened, and I'd love to kind of go back
through it. But even in that moment, it was like,
cause I'm kind of like, I'm spiritual and I feel
stuff sometimes, but like young stuff, I'm kind of like, man,
not for me, which is why I went and I
was like, I'm not going to tell this girl anything.
So if she's like talking all kinds of crazy, like
I'm going to know it's not real and then she
started doing all this stuff and I was like, I mean,
I was like, h.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
It was so crazy. So it was really interesting.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
She said a bunch of stuff and she like looked
to the case files and she's like pointing at things,
and it was so bizarre. It was really powerful. And
I think that that was like kind of my dad.
This was like about a month before the show came out,
first episode dropped, and so I do think it was
this moment of my dad being like, okay, like put
it out and like, let's just see what happens.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And yeah, so we spoke about this earlier. So what
does closure look like for you if you don't get justice?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I think I already have it. I think I have.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
I'm at a point where I can anything more I
do now is great, and I'm going to keep going
as long as I physically can. But like, between bankrupting
myself to solve my dad's murder and getting his name
googleable and all this coverage, I'm like, I think I
can confidently say I've done everything I can to solve
(41:05):
this case. And I think that's the point that two
years ago, if you had asked me, like what I
really wanted it was that it was I want to
do whatever it takes to solve it. And I do
now feel like I've done everything that I can, and
I'd love to do more, but I do feel like
I'm at a point where it's like anything more is
more and anything I've done so far.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Is like everything I could have done.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Yea, And so to me, I think that's that's closure,
is going to bed at night going like I did
everything that I possibly could do. I put it out there,
I talked to people, I flew back and met with
Darryl Smith, and I talked to Rico, and I got
the police's attention, and you know, I did all this stuff.
(41:48):
Like to me, that's a sense of closure. I would
love for this case to go to court, and I
would love for everyone who was involved in the murder
and in some sort of cover up to see their
day in court. But for now, I feel like I've
done everything I can, and I think that is that's
(42:12):
closure to me.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
And last, but not least, if you can speak to
your dad one last time, what would you say to him?
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Can I borrow one hundred bucks?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
No? Because I know he has some coins?
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Okay, I I mean I would have been like move
to La No, I don't know. It's it's so interesting
because it's like then I start to contextualize and I'm like,
what would I say now, or what would I say
(42:45):
if he had never been murdered and we were just
kicking it and I didn't know any of this stuff
about him.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
It's interesting.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
I do wish that I could have kind of a
normal relationship with my dad. Uh you know, my sister
and my dad kind of fought a lot because she
was sixteen and she was going through you know, those
teenage years and whatever.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
And it's funny.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
I'm like, oh, I wish I could fight with my
dad like I wish I had, you know, those most
like real raw like emotion with like oh, I want
to hate my dad, you know, I want to be
like sixteen and my dad tells me I can't go
to the movies and I'm like and I sneak out
and fuck, like you don't love me, you don't want
me to have any fun, like I want those moments.
(43:28):
And yeah, it's it's weird. There's a lot I wish
that I could have had. I mean, I think now,
like it's very interesting. I'm seeing someone who I really
am excited about, and it's like, oh I wish that,
like like I wish he could meet my dad.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
I would you know, Like I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
I just it's like very weird to be in this
position and be like, oh, I just wish she was
here for like these moments in my life that are
like really important and exciting. Like I just ordered my
mom Mother's Day flowers and I would have been like, hey, Dad,
can we like go half and half?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Right?
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Well, like just like little it's the little things that
I think I wish I could sort of participate in
and like do with my dad that.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I just can't and it's a bummer. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Well, I'm super proud of you, sus I'm really happy
that we were able to connect. And however I can
support you, I will be doing it. So tell everybody
where we can support you at give us your socials,
tell us what's next so we can stay up to
date and keep supporting you and keep you lifted because
I can only imagine how taxing this is on you.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Yeah. Yeah, so I'm the podcast is Ice Cold Case.
Wherever you get your podcasts, it's Ice Cold Case on
social And then I'm Madison underscore.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Magee on everything.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
And yeah, I'm gonna be posting more clips soon.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yes, And to listeners, if you have any questions, come
it's concerns, please make sure to email me. He hello
at the psgpodcast dot com. And this was fun. I
had so much fun with you.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Thank you so much for having me. This was amazing.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
You're amazing, and I'm truly so glad that we got
to do this.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Me too, Me too, because you know, Delta almost held
me beat He's supposed to have been done this. But
that's the whole story. But until next time, everyone later,
not gonna say.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Bye, oh bye.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
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