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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebane, a space where no
question is off limits and storylines become lifelines. The views
shared by our guests are meant to inform, entertain, and empower.
From the laughs to the lessons. Just remember, tough times
don't last, but professional home girls do enjoy the show.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
All right, y'all, So I am super excited about this show.
I have three of my favorite favorite people in the
podcasting game. So to my amazing guest, thank you, thank you,
thank you so much for being on a show. How
y'all feeling, How y'all doing good?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hap to be here?

Speaker 4 (00:41):
We're good, doing good.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Okay, so let's go around a room and introduce ourselves
like classroom style. Let's start with the only producer on
the show, Ashley J.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Hobbs.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hi, everybody, I'm Ashley Ashley J. Hobbs. Yeah, I'm a
podcast producer and voice artist and I love myself someone
Atbanay Yes, guess like everybody else. Next Boonie.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
All right, so I'm Boone.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
I'm the host of the Boonie Breakdown podcast, your source
for all things responsible and ratchet.

Speaker 6 (01:15):
Ooh, I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
My name is Cassandra Dunbar. I am the host of
the b Wesses podcast, where we talk about all the
things to help us get mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and physically
better and thriving.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Okay, well, before we start, I just want to say
thank you all, and especially these three ladies because they
all donated, they share, they supported the Professional Homegirl second
Annual Turkey Drive. It was such a vibe. So I'm
gonna post the pictures and stuff, but i just want
to say thank you, thank you, thank you. Like this
year was like ten times better, like it was like damn,
they're perfect, So thank y'all so much. Like we was
able to feed over two hundred families. So I'm just like,

(01:49):
I'm like, come on, God, give me some blessings now
because I'm doing the work.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
How did y'all get into podcasting? And how long have
y'all been podcasting? Don't make me be the teacher, y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
Okay, So I started podcasting. I used to do a
Twitter chat. I had a job that was kind of
like fat It was production based, so I could do
my work and then be done, and two o'clock every
day I would do a Twitter chat Boonie's Ratchet Hour
and people would like DM me stuff. We had DM
Tales and then it my boyfriend at the time was like,

(02:20):
you should do a podcast. Now I didn't know what
that was because I think at the time the only
podcast was like The.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
Read that everybody knew, like shout out to the Read.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
And he was like, no, you should do a podcast.
You do a podcast, and I was like, And then
like two years.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
After that, I was like, I think I should do
a podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
How long was this.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
So that was probably like back had like twenty twelve
or so. That was like thirteen years ago when he
said it.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah, So I was.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Like, I should do it, and I was going to
do it with two other girls and we were gonna
have this podcast, this, that and the third and he
was going to design the site and then that fell through.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
So then another year.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
And a half passed and I was like, I'm just
gonna do it my South and true Sagittarius fashion. I
ordered a microphone off an Amazon with no plan, and
I will go back and listen to my first episode.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
In Cringe and how bad it is.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
No.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
I listened to it every couple months because it just
reminds me how far I come when I get frustrated,
but that is how I got into podcasting, and yeah,
here we are.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
What about you, Cassandra.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I started podcasting almost six years ago now, and at
the time, the podcast that I had listened to were
the my leak Teal podcasts.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I used to love her podcast her.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
And who Alsay. I listened to I think one about
like finances or something. And fast forward a couple of
years later, I was talking to my therapist and she
was just like girl said the podcast, not realizing how
much work goes into podcasting. So I'm just like, yeah,
I'm sort of podcast And then the lockdown happened, and
my only way to communicate people outside of my house

(03:55):
and talk about things that I really cared about was
through podcasting. The people that would of you were just
really dope, so I just kept on, you know, talking
to them, and they had to figure out, how do
I put this thing together and so the people could
hear it. So all the learnings and then fast forward
several years later, be Well So Yes, the very abbreviated
version Ashley X.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I started in podcasting in twenty eighteen as a as
a producer. I've never hosted my own show. I was
always building shows for other people. What shows have you built,
Ashley well Benet. So I've done a lot. So I

(04:42):
started at Essence, So when they had their slate of shows,
so everything from Yes Girl to Oh God. There was
one that was relationship based. There was one about fashion
and makeup. Yeah, and that was a really fun time.
So that's where I kind of like learned everything because

(05:02):
we hit the ground run and making those shows and
that was really fun. And then since then I've done
a couple of like political ones I've done. The most
recent one that I did was Sterling K. Brown and
Ryan Michelle Baffet's show We Don't Always Agree. That was
a lot of fun to make. They're very fun couple.

(05:23):
I did the to rat show Holding Court with Ebanie
K Williams, which is one of the most fun shows.
I love working with Abanie I love. I've done a few. Yeah,
I've done a few, and I always tell people like
it's funny. But I started in podcasting because I kept
getting fired from other jobs I wasn't good at like
being I tried to be an administrative assistant. It was

(05:46):
like nope, and I was like, you know what, You're right,
Like I deserved to be fired because I wasn't good
at it, and then there were some other jobs that
I wasn't necessarily bad at it. My jobs just kept ending,
and I was like, let me actually go and do
the things that I feel like I'm really supposed to
be doing, which was like creative, and that let me
to producing podcasts. So I first heard a podcast, and

(06:08):
I used to be obsessed with the read and I
used to love taxtone show. Oh tax Zone, right free
tax Zone.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I used to love his show. And I used to
love the fact like cause you know when you hear shows,
especially shows that are like like quote unquote radio stations
because before then people didn't know what podcasting was. But
you know, I didn't think that you can just speak
so freely. So I'm listening to texting. He like a
nigga from East New York. So I'm like, oh, this
is kind of cool. And then you know, me being
in therapy and stuff, and I was learning all these
tubs because at the time I had lost my grandmother

(06:36):
cause this was like around twenty nineteen, so I was like, well,
let me just take these tools because I know niggas
ain't going to therapy and let me just you know,
be a friend and be a listener to hear and
just providing them with the things that I was learning.
And then here we are, almost seven years later, child,
and I think I met you. I think Boonie, I
met you on Instagram, right, I think so. I think
Bonny thought I was trying to sell something to her, y'all,

(06:57):
I was trying to scam her. I was like, I
was like, girl, you did, Like what what.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Do you want?

Speaker 4 (07:06):
I was like, hey, how about something I can't remember?
And I was like I don't know. And it was
like a lane and I was like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
She was like, what are you trying to stay up?
I was like, damn, I'm just trying to be your friend.
And then we found out because I was having a
really shitty day seeing by my grandma and I was
so sad and she dm me and she was like, look, girl,
we in essence together. And I was like, oh, ship
And that made me so so so happy. So I
would never forget that moment with you. And then concerned,
how do we meet Do we meet as we met

(07:35):
before Saint Jude?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, we met in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
The oh yes, that's what I met. Yes, yes, and
it actually was curving me. So we didn't get close
until we met at Saint Jude. Again, I must be
too nice. I don't even think that that's how that went.
I think we just we connected at Black but then
we never we never hit each other up after.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
That, did we? I think I did.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I'm pretty persistent, like I'm a girls girl. Okay, boy,
So what do y'all think is the biggest misconception about
podcasting because I feel like when people get into podcasting,
especially when I got into it, I thought it was
so fucking easy.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing. I think people
think it's you know, a blog is so much easier
than podcasting. I tried, and I think that's what delayed
my podcast is because I just started blogging.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
I'm not the strongest writer.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Like I can my voice, I can make something sound great,
I can tell a story. I can, but I'm not.
I cannot write. It's never been my strong suit and
so I think. But still, I think there is structure
and planning and editing and.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Sourcing talent and marketing.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
It's so much to podcasting and being an indie podcaster,
Like it's even harder.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
I think.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Everybody got a podcast, every celebrity.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Has a podcast, every brand has a podcast, So why
should anyone listen to me? And I think that is
the hard part that people don't get while they give
up so quick, because it is hard when you feel
like that episode bomb as fuck and yo, that's all.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
The listeners I got.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yo, I ain't gonna lie. It was one episode I
did and I did good, but I just thought it
was gonna go viral. Like I'm like, yo, this episode
was so good, and like it did not do as
well as I thought it did. I was like, damn,
but yeah, niggas be hating any But that's another story.
I think. I think the thing that gets under my

(09:43):
skin is that people think you could just turn a
mic on and say whatever you want, which you can do, right.
You can get on the mic, you can say whatever
you want. But I think if you want quality and
you want people to take you seriously, there's some thought
and there's some life you us have lived in order
to get on the mic and start saying things. I

(10:03):
think people look at podcasts as like prescriptive, like oh,
I'm going to get in here and tell people how
to live their life and that's going to make people
want to like listen to me more. And I think
when it first started out, people were into that. I
think nowadays like people are looking for people who are
actual experts or people who are actually wise to listen to.
They're not just listening to anybody. But yeah, that whole

(10:26):
just turn on a mic and talking thing. It works
for some people, but for everybody, not for the majority
of people, right because I think I think a lot
of people are not as smart as they think they are.
Mm hm wow. Actually, anybody want a name? I I

(10:47):
section four it.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
What you think?

Speaker 3 (10:52):
I think the marketing part is so hard because even
if you do have something good to say, and even
if you are an expert and have lived some life. Okay,
so now you put this thing out there now because
there's so much competition, especially when there's like celebrities involved
in and brands to your point, Bonnie, like, so how
can you well hear you? So there's so much work

(11:12):
and studying that goes into Okay, so I put this
thing out that I'm proud of I think can be
helpful to somebody, But now how do I get the
somebody to hear it?

Speaker 6 (11:20):
So?

Speaker 3 (11:21):
There's a lot of work that goes into that outside
of the planning of what you're going to create, you
know what I mean. So, yeah, it's a lot of
work because I thought that, Yeah, I got myself a
little mic, I have a laptop, boom, I got a
podcast light right, Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Not so, And you know, ahead, I think something you
said to like, you know, like when you think that
episode should hit right, And I think one of the
thing that gets under my skin is like people were like, oh, Boonie,
you should talk about this or you should have this
person on and I'm like, yeah, I did that four years.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Ago, right. And so it's like, because one.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Of the big boy podcasts now is talking about black
women on prep, I've ben did that right, and so
then I'll be reasharing my little I was like, go
back and listen to it.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
The content is evergreen.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
So I think for me, that's always been a frustration
because it's just like, oh, it's so hard to get
you know, cut through the noise for people to listen
to you. And so I will repost the people like dang,
that episode was good, and I'm like, yeah, and I
did it two years ago.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
No, I ain't gonna lie I used to. I mean,
I still listen to your your podcast, but I used
to listen to your podcasts. I'm like, damn, she talked
about mad shit. So she'll start reposting shit and I'm like, oh,
somebody must be like, oh, you should do this. And
she was like, girl, I did this, and then she'll
post a follow up and I was like, yo, Boonie
was really out here having conversations with people like years,
and I used to be like, damn, I gotta step

(12:42):
my content up.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, so that's always my pain point.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
But it's like, you know, content is evergreen, So if
that's the hot button now, I'm just gonna keep sharing
that episode that I did two years.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah. I think another misconception that I have that I
have for myself is I thought that when I got
with a network, I was gonna be like Oprah on
this bitch, Like I thought I was gonna take off.
And I granted, don't get me wrong, like there has
been a tremendous amount of growth with my business and
my podcast, but I feel like I'm working even harder
since I've been with the network comparedson when I wasn't

(13:15):
with the network, Like it's a lot of working, and
especially when you are on a network where like so
many people who have like names and you know, you've
seen when they was they started when we first started
to work there now, so I just was like, damn,
like I'm gonna be working like a two dollars Hold
for a minute, Actually what you want to say? I
actually want to say something. No, I mean, I think

(13:37):
I think that podcasting has changed so much from when
I first started producing till now. Facts that there was
a time where I could sort of advise people if
they asked me, like, so what should I be doing?
Bbaut ba bap, and it would work because there was
a formula for that time. I don't have like cutting
dry advice anymore because the algorithm keeps change, people's appetites

(14:01):
keep changing, and the like what goes viral is becoming
more and more and more debased. So it's like, you
know what I'm saying, like and only a few It
really does feel like only a few people can cut
through the noise. So I'm just like, I think I've
gotten to a place where I'm tired of trying to

(14:23):
figure it out. Now. I'm just like I'm going back
to what I originally said when I first started doing this,
which was I just want to make dope shit with
good people. Like that's literally it. Whatever happens happens, whatever
doesn't happen happens. But I just want to make dope
shit with good people.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. And you know what I think too,
is yes, a thousand percent to what you said, Ashley,
I think now the formula is money. If you have
big advertising marketing bucks, you're going to be alright, who
has that money? The celebrities and the brands, you know
what I mean? So, and to your point, because you

(15:02):
already know how I feel like in I had I
was like, no, I'm about to question how. But what
I realized is, you know what, I want to make
Things that I'm proud of, Things that my answers will
be proud of, things that my kids would be proud of.
And that's what keeps me going at this point, because yeah,
like you think you're doing amazing work and that people
are gonna get it.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
And but you've been killing it though I've been trying.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I've been trying to killing it. I've been working. I've
been thinking, like you're okay, I'm working.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
You a doctor.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
One thing I do. One thing I do want to
say to hopefully make y'all feel better, is that there
are a couple of celebrity podcasts that I'm working on
right now. Getting funding for them has been so difficult,
And these are not like dal with celebrities, you know
what I'm saying, Like there's a few people that are

(15:56):
like B and A, and people are like they're persons
are closed tight, and I'm talking about big, big money,
so even that's changing for some people, you know what
I mean. So I just I don't want y'all to
think like it's only celebrities, because when I tell y'all
in my mind, I'm like, oh, this is a no brainer,
everybody getting paid, right, they were like nope, you know

(16:17):
what I mean. So that also, I just hate I
hate that people who don't quote unquote have a name
feel like this shit is hopeless because of what's happened
with celebrities taking over the space. But also just know
that not all the celebrities are getting you know what
I'm saying, Like it's starting to be kind of slim

(16:37):
pick as for celebrities as well.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
Yeah, yeah, And I think for me, like you know,
I don't have millions and millions of downloads, But what
does keep me going is it's never lost.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
On me anyone who spends.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
A dollar on me, right, And so I do you
have a Patreon community, love Patreon.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
I love my Ratchetier Gang, I sell merged. I do
live shows.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
So for the fact that someone is buying a plane
ticket to come see me in New Orleans, that's not
lost on me, right. So I always tell people too,
if you're a small podcast, you can do anything as
long as you get the scope and scale to where
your audience is. So I can do a show in
New Orleans because I have a venue that can hold,
Like I'm not doing it at the House of Blues, right,

(17:21):
but I got a venue that can fit my audience
that will come there, right. And So I think for me,
it's just been about scale, right, Like, once I got
that part and adjusted to where I was, that helped
me kind of Chad, like, calm down the noise or
the chatter that's like, you're not doing enough, you're not
making right, so the ways that you thought, But I'm like, damn,

(17:43):
people are buying plane tickets to come see me in
New Orleans.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
And it's I'm like, it's just me.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
And what's the day.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
It's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
What's the day for the show?

Speaker 4 (17:51):
December six? December six?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
What's up, y'all? It's your eb and A here, and
be sure to follow me on Instagram and TikTok at
pretty private podcasts, and don't forget to subscribe to my
YouTube channel at the Professional Homegirl. Now let's get back
to the show. And you know what's so crazy, There
were a lot of people who have like bigger name
than us and they can't even feelish a room, like

(18:19):
they was canceling their tours and everything. So I think
sometimes we just get in our own head. But I
also think, to your point, like it's about being creative,
because like I was like, okay, I want to sell
merchant stuff, but what can I do to really like
hit a different target audience but can bring it right
back for a circle to the podcast. And that's when
I came up with the coloring books, and that has
been like my biggest push. Like everybody, I didn't know
so many girls like the color Like I would have

(18:40):
been there this shit a long time ago. So I
just think that when you're a smaller indie brand, Like
it's just about just being creative and not getting not
letting these people stress you out.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Y'all that part.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
So, what has been you'll hardest moment as a podcaster
and how did y'all get through it? Or a producer? Ashley?
I would say for me, it was definitely when I
had the rebrand. Oh my god, I actually crying.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
I think I called you.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Crying too after Like that was the hardest thing ever.
Like I don't know why it was so hard for
me to let the name go. And I feel like
I had like put so much like blood, sweat and
tears in it, Like people recognize me as a professional
homegirl and I'm like, damn, like did the professional homegirl
and not win? Like did she not like do what
she supposed to do? Like and I'm not gonna lie.
The rebrand has definitely helped out a lot because I

(19:27):
think that it's you can get the message better and
correlate some boswell with the episodes and stuff. But oh
my god, I was really ready to like give up
and call it quits. And I was like, gosh, I'm
in contract, Like how I'm about to do this? What
about y'all that you remember that I was calling you.
I was like, girl, and I correlate.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
I feel like when I had my rebrand too, I
was just like no, I felt so tied into like
the original pod art and the colors in the field.
But it was time to change, and having to knowing
how to communicate that to my audience was tough because
I was not accepting of it myself at the time. Yeah,

(20:08):
so it's tough. I don't see. This past year has
just been a little little rocky, a little shaky, yeah,
in general, and just just remind myself that the something
that I'm doing is helping somebody else, you know. For me,
I know every time I see tool when my guests
that I personally am blessed, and I'm just hoping that

(20:29):
somebody else outside of us in the conversation. Yeah, just
to keep going, because yeah, it gets rocky, especially when
life is happening outside of the podcast, it becomes a
little bit even more challenging.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Facts.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Yeah, I think for me too.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
I was gonna say the consistency when I don't meet
my schedule to your point, cause Sondra, like, life is
life for me, and it's not bad. It's just busy.
And so I haven't been there. I try to do
week when I'm in season weekly episodes, but the last
two weeks it ain't happen, and it's like, I'm gonna

(21:08):
pick it up next week. But for me, that's the
hard part, is like sticking to my schedule when you
wear so many different hats, and it's like, okay, I
haven't they're recorded, but I haven't had the time to
sit down and edit them and then post them and make.

Speaker 6 (21:23):
The reels and do all that.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
So instead of doing it half assed, it's just no
new episodes, and so I beat myself up about that.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
But you know what, you're gonna do. What you're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
It is hard. I mean I can count all, maybe
one and a half hands of how many times I
missed a week since I've been doing this almost seven years. Like,
oh my god, it's a lot of work, y'all. Like,
don't do it. Do something else. Leave it to us.
We already got the skin in the game.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
What about you?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Actually, you said, what's the hardest thing, right, mm hm,
especially what you being behind the scenes and stuff. Yeah, Well,
if I'm being completely honest, the hardest thing is when
I get into working on something and I just don't
love it anymore, but I kta do it because this

(22:15):
is what's feeding me right now. Yeah, I will say
there was one time I got into something and after
two episodes, I was like, oh, I know what that is,
and I said, you could take my name off of
this show. I will not be producing anymore past these
two episodes. I didn't know what was gonna come after that,
but I knew I couldn't keep working on that show.

(22:35):
So I think, like, yeah, when you get into it
and it's just like this is a tap, like it's
a chore. There's nothing I love about this. Yeah, that's
really difficult for me as a producer because it's not
like it's mine, right, it's somebody else's and I have
to show up and make it the best for them.
But sometimes it could be it could be rough. Yeah,

(22:56):
that's might was gonna say something. Okay, so y'all say
it's overrated and podcasting right now.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
So I'm gonna get meat up for this because I
I lean into it in some episodes, but I'm over
like the clickbait viral reels, like I'm tired, and it's
one parison in particular, and I don't want to name
the names.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
But it's like if I see.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
This man's patchy beard on my Instagram screen one more
time saying something, Oh that relacious. I don't even know
its name, but it's like something truth podcasts. I don't know,
but he's it's always something like big girls are ugly
and da da.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
It's just it, and.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
I know it's to get the reaction, but I'm just like,
it's such low hanging fruit. And I think those are
the things that bother me because I see, and I'm
including all of you I follow be well, like I
see such good content that will get two likes, three reshares,
but then I see this low hanging fruit ship that

(24:01):
gets a million views, that two thousand reposts, and that
burns my Like I'm like, we're not tired of this yet.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Other man saying this, Yeah, niggas.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Is over rating the podcast niggas.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Yeah, that that's what that frustrates me so much.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I was gonna say it was overrated was videos, but
I'm starting to like the video component. Now I'm in
my video bag, maybe because I just hit him. I'm
starting to monetize on YouTube. Thank you' all. Professional girls.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Video editors are not cheap, y'all, so please keep subscribing
to the Professional homegir channel. But I'm I'm liking it.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
I fought video for years.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
You did podcast or audio. It is the whole point.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
I thought video for years.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Fast.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I can't stand video because you know, I'm start a
podcast that way. I be in my damn robe.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
No eyebrows, I know, no makeup, I know.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
And now I got to like put on some eyebrows
just like a whole thing. I don't like it. I
do it, but I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
I'm starting to like it. I'll be watching my videos
like I ain't never seen it before and taking that
I don't know. I feel like, and I say this
all the time, but then I get like I start
producing another show. I'm like, I'm gonna retire from producing
people's opinions because I don't care what people think no more.
Yeah you do say that, but I don't know, Like

(25:34):
I just everybody's opinion doesn't matter, and I'm sorry, I
don't care. That's just how I feel. Everybody's opinion shouldn't
be heard. I'm tired if there's not something actual and
factual or something like that is actually helpful, Like why
why do you have a podcast? Why are you talking?
I just thought I forgot what rapper was. But he

(25:56):
was like, you don't need to learn how to read.
You need to learn how to be here.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Last night. And the children don't know, don't need to
learn how to read to be an entrepreneur or some
ship like that. I'm gonna say, oh my god, why
did you ask him any prete.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
These are the children George Bush left behind.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
All the way.

Speaker 7 (26:20):
So it's like to me, I'm like, it's it's it's
inconceivable some of the things that people say, and then
there's millions of people who are like, yeah, y'all was
thinking the same thing, and the whole anti intellectualism, you
know what I'm saying, Like, I could you talk about Ashley?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I could really so had a really good conversation about it.
But we I would say that we met in the
middle because we was talking.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
We did.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
We was talking about obviously the situation between Flip and
uh Mark La my heel on Joe Budden. It went
viral and I understood both sides, and I had real
Ashley in just a little bit because she was on
Mark's side, which I totally get, but I think there
was so many things that can be true at once.
But we was like, she was like, Okay, I get it. No, yeah,

(27:10):
because what flipped me was when Angela Ryan the Native
Lamb podcast did that whole thing, and I was like, oh,
absolutely not. I'm I'm over ride with it, not over
there because I didn't agree. We didn't agree with that.
And then markus on the couch next day key key
and they laughing about how they was about to get
the fighting and stuff, and I was like, you see,
that's why you gotta know who the key key with

(27:30):
you if some shit goes down, because he went to
go kekey with Angela Ryan them, and I feel like
she spoke up for him. But she was like, I'm like, girl,
that's nigga shit. They're gonna be back cool. So I
feel like, yeah, I feel like when you when you're
in the men's locker room, you gotta let men be men.
In my opinion to a certain this thing because I

(27:54):
just feel like when people get into it, like like
with y'all, I could talk to you. I didn't ke
keep about y'all with multiple things. It never got out.
I wouldn't do that with other people, but there's a
level of trust and stuff. Yes, I just feel like right,
and I also feel like y'all not going to use
that to go viral or use that to you know,
get content, and so like everything's not about content, Like
it's a genuine respect and friendship we have each other.

(28:15):
And I just feel like in this space everything is
about content, and it's like, no, it's not. Yeah, I
think the yeah, So I think like that whole thing
really gets on my nerves.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
And then just.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
The the desire to use podcasting to go viral for whatever.
It's like I don't even care what I'm saying or
doing or how I look. Sorry, y'all, I don't even
care how I look. I just want to go viral,
you know what I mean that I'm over that as well. Right,
that piece of it really bothers me because I'm like,

(28:48):
nobody cares about I shouldn't say nobody, but a lot
of people do not care about quality anymore. It's like
I just want to say the things and maybe I'm
repeating myself, but like how you don't really bothers me
because I'm just like it's just too much it's too much.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
Shut up.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Now, What would y'all say is underrated in podcasting?

Speaker 3 (29:11):
I guess kind of piggybacking, keep piggybacking off of actually said.
I think substance, like yeah, like what's really popping and
getting length the views and the clicks and things like
that really is like shallow shit or divisive shit, like
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Like everybody's saying the same thing.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, you know a lot of echo chambers, a lot
of like contrarians who are saying that they are you know,
I don't know they're they're contrarians and they're open minded
and all that, but no, they're just they don't want
to read books and they don't want to listen to experts,
you know. So, yeah, what.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
You're thinking, Bony, I'm.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
Trying to think underrated? Who I don't know. I'm really
stuck on this one.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
I'll say, what's under it is collaboration. For a lot
of people, because they were a short distance just by themselves,
then they would rather like team up with other people
that could you know what I mean, Like y'all could
really do some good things together. But it's like, no,
I want to do my thing because it's about me,
And I'm like, yeah, but y'all can make something really
great together, like yeah, so yeah, yeah, I'm thinking to

(30:24):
that point, I think people are afraid to.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
Give up their contacts. And I say this in a
sense that I had another podcaster reach out to me
and was like, hey, I saw you have some sponsors
for your live show.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
You know, how did you go about.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
And I was like, well, some of these I've been
cultivating for a few years. Where it started with they
just gave me stuff for goodie bags whatever. But when
she asked, I was like, hear the names and you
could say you got them from me?

Speaker 4 (30:53):
And she was like what And I was like I
didn't get her confusion.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
And she was like, I asked you all the time
and they're just like, oh no, they won't share. And
I was like, well, what do I lose by sharing
somebody's email address with you?

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Right?

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Like you know, they may make you go through the
same steps I had to go to build your relationship.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
But here's the name.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Like I wish somebody would have done that to me
instead of me stalking LinkedIn pages and like whatever I
did to get them, but here, girl, Like I hope
I hope you get it, you know, And I feel
like people are so to actually this point, like nope,
I can't share, I can't collaborate like this is mine
and I do think we could get further if you

(31:37):
do that, right, So, yeah, it is frustrating.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
And I will say, like, building relationships with people behind
the scenes have been so instrumental in my growth. Like
I'm talking about I got people who people were trying
to get in contact with in linked in, Like I'm like,
you really need to talk to people that is either
on the same level as you or sometimes maybe just
a little behind, because those are people that are working
with the people you trying to get in contact with,
and they're gonna listen to them before they listen to you.

(32:03):
And I'm just like, relationships is so important. Like I
can't tell you how many times I was able to
get up in the immediate yes because of my relationship
with this person.

Speaker 7 (32:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, I will say, like the tricky part about that though,
is so I'm not precious about information I'll share with people,
but when it comes to putting people in contact with
other people I have for me, I have to know
that you're not gonna no weird shit, you know what
I'm saying, And like, so it may not be that

(32:36):
I'll directly connect you with the person unless I know
that you're not you know what I'm saying, like that
you really are about your business and you know what
it is that you need to connect with this person
for blah blah blah. And also I've asked that person
because the thing that I find is like people want
you to immediately just give up the information. I'm like, no,
first of all, I got to ask the person, yea,
if it's fine with me, are contact. I can't tell

(32:59):
you many people I've wanted me to connect them with
M and K Williams, And I'm like, first of all,
first of all, Evany is a whole lawyer. You know
what I'm saying, Like there have been people that were
like stalking her stuff before I was like, no, like,
what is it that you want? Let me relay it first,
and then if she says it's cool, then I'll share
that with you. So I think I completely understand what

(33:22):
you're saying, Boonie. I just think that they are little
caveats to it, because the people who feel like they're
entitled to everything that you have without themselves being vetted.
I think that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah, I would agree. I definitely wouldn't let somebody DM
me and me just but yeah, we have a relationship
for sure. So please, if you're listening, don't DM me
from my spondor we have a relationship.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
You said if I hit you up? Okay, So, what's
one thing that you are thankful for in your podcast
and journey? Because podcast has done a lot of beautiful
things for all of us.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah, I'm really thankful for my community. Like I do
have people who ride.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Who have supported I have people who've listened to every episode,
people who've been.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
To every live show, who by the merch.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
So for that, I'm really thankful for the people who
have shown up who helped me, Like you know, there
are people listening to you in the moments that I
feel like why am I doing this? So I think
the community that I've cultivated in terms of listeners and
people who are in the journey alongside me, who and Evans.
You know, I've asked can you do a live show

(34:38):
with me? Can you do an episode? I think for
me that community has that I've built has been really.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
One of the things I'm most thankful.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
For for me, I think I've just been a I've
become a better person, a better version of myself because
I'm talking to people who have such wisdom or lived
experience or expertise. And I was actually just saying and
I had a solo episode when I was seeing what
I'm thankful for. And some days I don't want to record,

(35:06):
but I'm like, well, I have a commitment with this
person at whatever time, and I show up and even
though my outline what I had in mind for the
episode is on paper, whenever we talks directly talking about
something that I'm experiencing in that moment, fact, I feel
like I've just been so Yeah, I've just grown a
lot as a person because of the people that I've

(35:26):
got a chance to speak to, and like my mind
has been open, you know, to different ways of life,
thinking and throughout these years. So that's been my greatest blessing.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
I think for me, it has taught me that I
am a leader, because for the longest time, I was like,
I'm not I'm not a leader. I need to learn more. First,
I always saw myself as it's just a worker be
and then to get into this and then like when
when I was living at home and I'll be like
doing things remotely. My mom and my sister they would

(35:59):
talk to me later and they're like, like, you the
way that you're talking on in these meetings that we
hear you like talking like you sound like somebody's executive.
But I couldn't see myself that way. I was just like, no,
I'm just trying to make sure everything goes well because
I don't want to get in trouble and I want
this to I don't want this to fail. I don't
want that to fail.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
But it started to like it's allowed me to see
myself as a leader, not necessarily like how other people
lead the way that I.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Do, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'm very grateful for that because there are things that
I'm building now that I don't know I would have
been able to build had I not had the experience
of seeing myself the way that I do because of
producing podcasts. Damn, that was good, y'all. I was gonna say,
I'm just thankful for me. I would like to I

(36:48):
would like to think me. But the reason why because
like sometimes I listen to my old episodes and I
feel like my past self be giving me like little
reminders and like certain things would just hit and I
get emotional cause I'm like, damn, like I remember exactly
in that moment how I was feeling. And then I
feel like my past self was like, you know, pushing

(37:09):
my forward my current steff to like get closer to
my future stelf. So I don't know, I'm just really
thankful and proud of myself, cause I feel like a
lot of times when you don't have a lot of resource,
or you'll you don't think you have a lot of resources.
When you've been doing something for so long, it reminds
you that everything you need is either within you or
within reach. And it's so crazy, cause I always tell
people like I always had these visions on myself being

(37:29):
in certain places, but I'm like, how the hell I'm
gonna get there, Like what I'm gonna do, cause I
don't wanna work a nine to five like I wanna be.
I always wanted to be an entrepreneur. So I'm just
thankful that I didn't give up when I thought I
could have, cause it it got rough, man, it got rough.
Thank you, boney bon. You only want to claugh for me, child,
It's too late friend. Okay, so let's get into some

(37:50):
into some te So we are going in to do
times superlatives and podcasting. Who do y'all think is the
best storyteller? So I'll say, can I say two people?

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
He's gonna say, I don't think you do. Oh, okay,
So I want to shout out my homeboy Ron who
does the Wait for It podcast. He is right, he
is a dope storyteller and like, so it's funny because

(38:25):
like he's also like a preacher's kid and stuff, so
it's like a lot of his storytelling you could hear
the cadence. It comes from the church. But he is
a really, really, really great storyteller. And then another person
I would say is Dustin Ross. So yeah, I know
him from his show with Hey friand Hay and Asante
or you know him from Evanie k. Williams show Holding Court. Dustin.

(38:48):
Dustin is a phenomenal storyteller and he's also just hilarious,
so he could make the most boring story interesting because
of his like commentary. So I was like, those are
two of the people that think are really dope storytellers.
The first people that just came to mind.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
I'm looking for my podcast.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Wait, wait, who did you think I was gonna say Mona?
Mona is funny as him Mona, don't call me white girl?
And you do, and then you know we loved out
the Umar chap. He has been quiet.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
It's funny.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
I just got to don't call me white girl, and
I was gonna say Mona.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
So I was literally scrolling. I was.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I would say, I don't know if we could, we
would consider it on podcasters. But because I've been in
my YouTube bag, I love ARMM Wiggins and storm A
Row so our mom Wiggins. They're really big on YouTube.
But he went viral several times because he's been covering
a lot of court cases. And what really took him
to the next is he covered the entire court case

(40:02):
for Diddy and Baby. I'm gonna show y'all his clips
that I was glued to this TV like it was
a TV show, Like it was so good, and I
just love so more because I just love how he
just like break things down and like you know, add
a little spikes to it. So check them out, like
I love love them. I'm trying to get them on
the show. So if I get them on a show
and be fangirling out who you got, can say Andrew.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
So I do love me Simona as well. I think
she is brilliant and funny and she's just so so
quick with it, so her.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
She's aquarious too, oh is she mm hmm?

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Wait Now I really just listen to comedy for the
most part, So I love the girls of Poor Minds,
Like when it's just them, yeah, with no guests, they're hilarious.
So I would say, say them and Boonie.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
You said Umar and Mona, right, yeah, I like.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
I like Mona.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
She's funny and it's funny because I'm like the I
started a new job and right now where I have
to sit, I'm kind of exposed to people. So I
have my AirPods in because I need to zone in
and but i'd be cracked.

Speaker 6 (41:17):
I used to have an office, so.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
I'm like, right, like in a very hearty Boonie laugh,
people are like, so, I like, I'm very at work,
Like these people don't know me, Like they don't even
know I have a podcast, so I'm just like, They're like,
what are you listening to? And I'm like, I don't
want them to know what I'm listening to but I
just tell them.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
They're like, don't call me white girl.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Right right, the whole thing. But yes, I've listened to
Mona a lot.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
I like her.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Now, who would you say has the most unique episode ideas?
Who like episode by episode or like the idea of
their whole show?

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Hmmm? You know what, Ashley J.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Hobbs.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
We can do either or stop with this government?

Speaker 4 (42:06):
You who sold me?

Speaker 3 (42:12):
It's so diverse, like there's a ringlets.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Sen who do they gonna say?

Speaker 6 (42:19):
Me?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Okay, goes to the next one. Who has the best
podcast voice? Oh, boonie, you have a good voice.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Thank you? Oh good podcast.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
That's a good podcast voice.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
Now I'm scrolling again.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
I will say, like, as a shameless plug, I think
Evanie K. Williams has a great podcast voice in terms
of being authoritative about her subject matter. Yeah, And I
love when they like she's authoritative. She she she talks
like a regular degular person and to the point that
like my brother and sister who don't give a ship

(43:02):
what I do for a living. They were like, oh, yeah,
you produce her show. I've been listening and I'm like,
this is they listen to the show and I'm like her,
she's a thought. She knows what she's talking about, and
and the what do you call it, Like the training
that she's had, like when she was on television transfers
so well to audio. Yeah, so I would say.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
She's one of the people that, yeah, you know who
else I like to share her from Justus podcast. She's
Politics and Fashion on Instagram, she is the podcast with Margot.
I like listening to her voices.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Check her out.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, I like Angie Martine's voice. I always loved her voice, Angie.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Yeah, he asked really good questions to people, Like sometimes
she interviews that I have no interest in listening to,
but I still like, let it play, And I'm like,
that was a good question.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I don't know what about way is about her, but
when people sitting in her her seat they opened all
the way up really like the hardest rapper crying, like
and she's just sitting there and I'm yeah, she.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Was like, it's okay, baby, okay. In the age of
like gotcha questions and wanting to catch somebody and something
like they know she's proven since I was a child,
like saying she's been on the radio that she's a
safe place for people. You know what I'm saying, Like
she's proving that she's she's very good friends with people

(44:31):
in the industry where they know, like Angie. If I
need to get something cleared up, I'm probably gonna go
to Angie. Yeah, because she has handle them with care
for sure. Yes, Okay, who got the worst audio?

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Well a little bit.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
I'm gonna let y'all discuss that because I don't do
that audio, so I can't really I can't speak on that.
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
I've shot listen to a mini of small podcasts because
of audio, and when I say I listened to my
first episode, often that audio is fucking terrible.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Right, Like, so it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
It's a few small podcasts. I'm just like, I cannot
do this, Like I can't listen to this.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I don't think it's worse audio for me, I just don't.
I hate when people don't place to ask in the
right spots, Like you can't be in the mint of
a sentence and the ass is cut off. It's like, no,
you gotta wait till you get to the end of
the sittings and then you cut off. Like I hate
when they do that shout out to Taylor, my producer,
because he doesn't do that. But that shit, oh irritates me. Yeah,

(45:39):
there's a million podcasts like that.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
Yeah, so many.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Who you think, Cassandra, I see you over there thinking.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yeah, I'm thinking. I don't. I can't think of a
podcast with a bad order that I listened to. I
I ain't gonna.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Who would you say doesn't need a podcast? I know
it's a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Let's talk about Celebritycity, they've outgrown it or need because.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
It's it's terrible.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
It's Odi born, and I know who it is. I
know who I want to say. I'm gonna text it
to y'all because I'm not gonna get castled. Yeah, oh yeah,
I can do it in the chat.

Speaker 6 (46:15):
I'm curious if I want a reaction.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Who should never have had a pub picture? I am
a hater of celebrity podcast Michelle. In my opinion, podcast
is good, but if you're a celebrity, I'm automatically not
listening to your ship, even if I if I love
you as as like a whatever you are, I don't
listen outside.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
I literally did.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
I literally did a rant in a solo episode like
a week ago or two weeks ago where I literally said,
I'm just tired of I don't need a celebrity tequila
hair product unless it's Dana Owens. I don't need any
more makeup, Like, I'm just tired of celebrity pushing ship.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Yeah. So I just kind of was just like, and
add podcasts to the list too.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
I do think you can see the difference with celebrity
podcasts if they really have something to say and if
they're produced well, I think it's it's two buckets of
celebrity podcasts, and then you have the bucket where somebody
just threw some money to them or somebody say you
should do a podcast and they're terrible. I think celebrity
podcasts are very easy to put in one of those
two buckets.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
I have only listened to Michelle Obama's podcast, the ones
you did with Tracy Ellis Ross, The Say I love
Tracy Ellis Ross. It was good, But I feel like
it's the most celebrity podcasts to Cassandra point, I probably
only listen to them if they have a guest that
I'm interested in. Yeah, but I typically just don't subscribe
and listen.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, Like, I think the only person I listened to
besides Angie Martinez is Oprah. I don't really listen to
a lot of celebrit podcasts, and I also feel like
they mess it up for a lot of smaller podcasts.
So I'm a little like, uh no, I'm gonna support
my people because y'all the reason why it's so hard
for us to get money. Ye, there's there's a handful
of celebrity podcasts that I will listen to full episodes sometimes,

(48:07):
but I'm a fan of them because of the clips
that they post, like Amy Polar's. Amy Polar's podcast is
so cute. I just like to see it because she's
a comedian and when she has people on, like the
funniest things happen, and it could just be small a thing,
but it's just super cute. It's very like like nerve calming,
like you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, it's

(48:28):
just a good easy listen while you're cooking or something
like that. And there's a few others like that. But I,
if I'm honest with y'all, I don't really listen to
podcasts like that anymore. When you are constantly listening and listening,
unless you keep it warranting. It's like, nope, I'm gonna
watch TV or or color, you know what I mean. Like, yeah,

(48:52):
and she got my color and book. She loves it. Okay,
who would y'all say, have the best branded podcast has?
Like if you see they brand, you know exactly what
it is.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
I think they just had to do a rebrand to
Decisions Decisions.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I was gonna say them too.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Yeah, I think they had a really good brand with
horrible decisions and so.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
You know, I know, and they did a whole.

Speaker 6 (49:19):
Little roll out like you.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Know, we're ending the part like it was very cute
how they did it. Yeah, So I think they have
a really good brand.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Anybody else because I can't think of anybody else. Yeah,
Decisions Decisions.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
I don't really know.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I don't really know how I would classify that because
the only the only two podcasts that came to I
was Joe Budden's and The Cam and Mace's. But I'm like,
I don't know if that they have great branding.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
But I think Joe does too, right, Like I could
give Joe sure.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah maybe not. Maybe I'm just thinking like in terms
of like the way that their video clips look or
something I don't know, Yeah, but Joe for sure because
they definitely take that picture overlooking the skyline like all
of them. Yeah, so by episode and yeah, very consistent.
Most overlooked podcasts that deserves more love. I was saying,

(50:21):
I was down this hill Ebanie K Williams. I used
to listen to her show every week, sometimes twice a week,
and I was like, damn, like.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
Why niggas, I ain't really fuck with this show, like
the show is fire.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I honestly I would agree with you because I'm just
like I and I searched there are no black people
discussing anything political, anything like law. Based the way that
she's doing it. She breaks dam out of the ones,
but they were not good. They just weren't. And her
and Dustin as a pair fact, just.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Whoever decided that? Yeah, I'm like, whoever decided that? I
think that what worked? I like, I wasn't really familiar
with Ebony, but I knew, you know, Dustin.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
I was like, oh, he's doing a podcast. I'll listen,
but they play.

Speaker 6 (51:10):
I mean, it just worked.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
So again, it's one that I follow. I don't listen
to every episode. Again, I'm in the same bucket. It
has to be a topic or something that will pull
me in because I don't listen as much, but.

Speaker 6 (51:21):
I do like the two of them together.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
That was That was Ebony's hold. Ebony is an executive
producer of her show, and some people are executive producer
in name only, no no, no, she decisions. She she
hit up Dustin and was like, I think you'd be perfect,
Like she just knew and love that show.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, I also want to say I want more people
to know about Nicole Hill's podcast, Our Ancestors Were Messy.
It is much a good show, Okay, Harry, where they
take headlines from the past and just discuss some of
the messy ship that black people got into back in
the day. But it's also like a history lesson. It's

(52:03):
just so good, like y'all really, y'all really, I think
everybody should know about it.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
It's so good.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
That's been on my list. I need to.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Shout out to Nicole Hill. She and I met because
we took an air media class together years ago, and
if I'm not mistaken, her first seeds of the idea
for Our Ancestors were messy, like she developed them in
that class. Yeah, She's just she's an incredibly talented producer,

(52:33):
so shout out to her. Okay, most likely to talk
over every guest.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
Joe Biden.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
No, no, no, I'm sure to think. I don't really
listen to this podcast that much, But do you see
a lot of the clips.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
I listened to it every now and then, like maybe
like once a week or no, I'm lying, maybe like
two or three a month, depending on what they're talking about.
I guess nobody else listened to it.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I used to listen to it, and then I would
just I get hot, So I was like, you know,
I'm just engage.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I do like the new I like that markets a
part of the show as well as Mona. I think
they bounce it out and bring something new and fresh.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
That was a move or place Messa.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yeah, like honestly, and evan A and I discussed this
because we got into such heavy debate. We were standing
up railing at each other and at the TV. While
I'm rewarded like that you have me just said. But
I know I really love that Mark and Mona are

(53:44):
on the show because they're the reasons why I even
watch any of the clips. I never engaged. Yeah, my
brother used to play it while I was in the
car with him and I was like, yo, turn this
ship off, like I do not want to hear this.
But with them on the show now, I'm like, it's funny,
it's engaging, and I can relate to some of it now,

(54:06):
because you know, I couldn't. Honestly, I couldn't relate to
Joe Budden than the rest of the guys before. I
couldn't relate to Melissa if I'm honest, you know, so
it's it's a better mix up now, yeah, right, And
I think people like you, I think that if things
would have went differently with that episode that answer Rydana

(54:27):
put out, I think that would have been a great
opportunity to bring those groups of people to the show
to expose and educate to his audience about things that
were going on during that time. But what do I know.
I agree with you, And I also to the point
that I made earlier on the spectrum of things, I

(54:47):
would typically be the person that would more so listen
to Native Lamb podcast, But because of how that played out,
it honestly like pushed me towards listening to Joe's show
way more. I still have never listened to an episode
Native land because I was like this this it just
felt like like y'all are moving funny and y'all are
making fun of people right from like this lofty position,

(55:08):
and I don't like that ship right, So now you
know what I'm saying, Like I don't know, there's something
about Joe Bunnen's podcast that is now more down to earth,
It's more relatable. Yeah, m hm, you welcome you was
gonna say someone Cassandra say like, I ain't got enough
for this conversation. Okay. I used to really love what

(55:31):
was it while and Gilly up show Million Dollars Worth
a game?

Speaker 5 (55:36):
Oh I never listened to it. No, no, I'm gonna
be massy. I couldn't listen to it because I hated.

Speaker 6 (55:41):
Those videos Wallow would do where.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
He like sat the phone at the corner and he
would run up, you gotta have a good day.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Because today is your Like, shut up.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
I just realized, like, I'm not the audience for that.
But there's an audience for that, but that I was
not it. So but I never listened to their podcast.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
And you know what's so funny. I used to actually
listen to Earn Your Leisure a lot too.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Dude's that she was one of my first. Yeah podcasts
I would listen to consistently years ago.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I would say Your Leisure and Everide Kay Williams was
the reason why I want to be on Black Effect.
I wanted to meet them. I was like, oh my god,
like I like them so much, like super cool, and
they were just doing good conversations, like it was just
something different, like everybody was talking about the same thing.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
So now I don't know if this is one of
your superlatives, but who I think is so funny?

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Lex P?

Speaker 5 (56:33):
Yeah, Yeah, I think she's just hilarious. It kind of
gives me the vibes of like I'm not going to
say what I about.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
To say, anybody to beep it out.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Like it gives you like kid Fury and Crizzle, Like.

Speaker 6 (56:51):
I just love Fury so much.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah she's good.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
Yeah, but I can really like lex P a lot,
like she's it's her ad libs, Like she's just quick
as well. So like again I don't listen and watch
every episode of THEIRS, but it's like when she got
her little clips.

Speaker 6 (57:11):
Like they just she's just funny. I really do appreciate her.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
She makes me laugh.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
They're a good duo, like they balance each other out.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Yeah, chemistry.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Who should stop podcasting in twenty twenty five? Who should
hang it up? Most likely to stop in tween twenty five?

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Who do y'all think al most likely to stop? Now?
Who should stop?

Speaker 6 (57:32):
Ei?

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Or Oh goodness, come on, Ashley, come on to the
producer on this one. I don't know. I'm so glad
I caught myself. Carry on, No, come on, you took that, bro.
I'm like, yes, wait, you're saying not beep it out, Ashley,
I beat out the person's nay, No, I wasn't gonna say.

(57:54):
I wasn't gonna say a person's name. Niggas who live
in their mother's basement, but want to tell women flock like,
can we stop?

Speaker 3 (58:06):
You know?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Like yeah, literally are the definition of a scrub. And
you want to sit here and portray yourself to be
somebody that knows anything about healthy relationships. Anybody who's talking
about relationships stop it. Yeah, just stop that. It's not
one size all, it fits all, it never has been.

(58:27):
Let people live their lives.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
Fact yep, yep, yeah yeah I can rock with that.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Like, I don't want to hear nobody talking about no weave,
no makeup, no stop, because you're not in a position
to do for anything.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Where we're going on the first day, where we're not
fifty fifty conversations.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Oh gosh, stop stop stop.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
And also like anybody who will try to go toe
to toe with people who have been studying a subject
area for ages and say, well, I looked it up,
I did my own research, and you're wrong about vaccinations
or you're wrong about this, and you're wrong about stop
stop to put it in your group chat.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
I actually don't like that.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
And last, but not least, who is someone in podcasts
and you would love to give their flowers to right now?

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Oh Martinez? Like that, I'm telling you, that's my that's
my goal. Like she has like she's like the voice
literally of my childhood. She's still doing amazing work in
the space as a radio journalist, as a podcaster. She's her,
she she is her Yeah Martinez period.

Speaker 6 (59:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
I think one person I would do for sure is
my Leak.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
I think did a really good job of doing mostly
solo episodes.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Right, Oh she was solo episodes. I feel so weird.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
So like am I here's my little podcast notebook? Like
I'll write out my points.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
I don't try to write anything.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
You know, I'm adjusted to the day I die, Okay,
but yeah, it's just like I try to write out
notes so I stay focused. But like, she just did
a really good job of doing solo episodes and not
doing long episodes. It was it was twenty minutes and
you got the point across. But I also think what

(01:00:32):
I liked about her voice is how she kind of
grew that and it's evolved, right, so she still will
drop an episode here and there, but now it's like
her mom's circle.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
She's like thought leader, she's coaching.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
I think, yeah, I just think I liked her how
she uses her podcast to amplify and support the other
things she does now and it's not her primary avenue.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
And so for me who's looking to put.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
My podcast on the show for a little bit, I
just kind of liked how she's done that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
So and my league taught me how to build community.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
Oh a thousand, Like she was just so good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
I'm like, damn. Like she had girls going to Mexico
applying doing the applications. Yes, oh my god, I was
just like, Na my Leak's that girl for sure. For me,
I would said, kid furry, I would stay with him
because that was the first time that I ever heard
somebody be so transparent about their mental health. You know,

(01:01:34):
he talked a lot about, you know, having suicide ideation
and stuff like that, and like, I don't know, like
I feel like everybody has been in that important like
when they questioned it everything, and like he just did
such a good job and like just stepping away being
transparently and people know, like I need to go get
some help and then coming back like just keeping us
up to date with everything. And I feel like, like
you said, with my lead, like she just did such
a good job of community. So just it taught me

(01:01:56):
how to even be more transparent because I did an
episode where I was just so stressed out and I
cry and I was like, oh my god, like I'm
gonna part crying episode. I'm like, no, people need to
see that this show is not easy and it's a
lot of work and we're human just like everybody else.
But she was gonna say boonie, now I was saying, yeah,
a thousand percent, Like I think being vulnerable on the
microphone it's hard.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
I've had a few of those episodes Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
The early one I did it was like right after
I was dealing with grief for my grandmother's passing and
I was like being a caretaker and I'm early in
my thirties when I did this, and it was like
in the episode my voice cracked and I had to
keep crying. So the rest of the episode I'm crying.
It was a little therapeutic for me. And then I

(01:02:40):
was like, I'm not going to put this up, and
then I was like, I'm gonna redo it, and then
I was like no, I put it out there. And
still to day, I think it's like episode thirty for me,
so it is years old. Yeah, still one of my
most listened to. I still get people who maybe start
or scan my topics will listen to it and be
like I needed that. And so sometimes, yeah, I don't

(01:03:01):
like people crying on Instagram and all that stuff sometimes too,
but like sometimes people needed to see we all initiate
together and we're all going through something whatever or something is,
We're all going through it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
And I think both Kid Fiery and Crystal have done
a really good job at our generation, like making mental
health seeking therapy and having those discussions like more mainstream
in a way between them. Yes, doctor Joy, I think
we are so open, like girl, I'm in therap my

(01:03:35):
therapist or I'm on wall Fu trend because ABC or D.
I think we're more more comfortable than our parents' generation.
I think because of people like them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Yeah, you know that's a good point, because I feel
like people like like them really made me believe like,
oh shit, I can take this shit far. Like they
the read had the TV show, they was doing events
at the Apollo, like they was just doing Even when
I saw Poor Mines with some'mma Walker, I'm I'm like, damn,
like that's kind of cool, you know what I'm saying,
like just to get out of that space, or even
what Earn your Leisure did with their platform. Yeah, Like

(01:04:08):
I'm like, this shit is really possible, Like anything can happen.
It's just a matter of just being consistent and knowing
the right people.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
You're gonna say something, Ashley.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I mean honestly, not to be cheesy, but like I'm
gonna give you all your flowers because no, I know
it's not easy, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm
not on the mic, but like from behind the scenes,
I know it's not easy. And to Booney's point, like
you guys deciding to be vulnerable, When you decide to
be vulnerable, the topics that you choose, the thought and

(01:04:44):
the preparation that goes into it, it is admirable. And
I think that more people should take a page out
of that book if they're going to start podcasts, Like
what works works, Being prepared works, Knowing what the fuck
you're talking about works, like, you know what I mean?
Like it just it always will and it will always
yield a quality show. So I think, like I'm just

(01:05:04):
I'm always in awe of people who you know, don't
have a big name, and it's not handed to them
who build who built these shows from nothing? And you
start by yourself, you know what I mean? Like I'm
the health right, Like I come in and help people
build shows, But there are people who don't have help,
you know, So I my hat is always off to
people who have the tenacity and the temerity to to

(01:05:29):
keep going. She used one word mean to other.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
I said, what that mean?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Actually no, Actually it's one of my best friends, y'all,
And I can't tell y'all. I used to call I'll
call her and cry by So much shit, y'all. Like
I am such a cry because it's just it's so
frustrating when you have this much passion and love for something,
and like podcasting has changed my life, so it's like
you want to keep going because you know there are

(01:05:57):
so many endless opportunities, but it's a lot of work,
and I'm just like, you know what, I agree. I'm
just so thankful for y'all because each of y'all have
both played such an important part in my growth, like
from the beginning to where we at now, Like I
think that it is so hard to find people that
you can really call community that you can call on
and just you know, just have a moment with cause

(01:06:17):
this shit is hard, y'all. It's a lot, and it's
a blessing. I mean, anything worth having is worth fighting
for it. But like I would have never thought that
I would be crying the way I'll be crying.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
I'd be ready to fight.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
I'd be swinging at the air and stuff like why.
So I really do love y'all. I appreciate y'all so much,
and I was so happy that we were able to
do this because I just literally just got back from
the Turkey drive so I appreciate y'all, Like I love
y'all down, So tell oh one more thing. What do
y'all want to see more of in twenty twenty six
When it comes to podcasting. I want to see more

(01:06:55):
like fiction podcast I want to see more black people
making stuff where there's acting, there's you know, voice acting
and stuff going on, because I will never forget real quick.
The show that got me like really locked in with podcasting.
It wasn't a like a talk show, you know whatever.
It was Bronsville that Lorenz Tate and his brothers hated with.

(01:07:18):
They it was like an all star cast. I think
they did two seasons. It was so good and I'm like,
why is why is nobody talking about this? It was
like I'm listening to a television show, I'm listening to
a movie, and I just want to see more of
that because I'm like, there's so many talented black people
that could be doing this. Yeah, that's what I would
love to see or hear more of.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
Yeah, that's a good one. I remember Brownsville. I was
gonna say, I think I've gotten into the true crime stuff,
and I know if it gets more black women doing
true crime.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
Podcasts, yeah, I really like that. I mean because there's
some I think it's a few.

Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
I think crime junkies and it's like one other one,
but you know it's always more more room.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I would say for true crime, y'all check out. She
was a guest on my show Ice Cold Case Hands Down,
I binge listened to her her podcast. She is trying
she will solve her father's murder. It's so good. I'm like,
my girl, Madison ain't playing no games with these cops. Babies.
She got her foot on their neck, like hands down,

(01:08:24):
and she does majority everything like she does all of it.
So shout out to her and listen to her podcast.
You know, I'm looking at you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
For me, I would say, like narrative type audio, that's
how you describe it. There was this one podcast she
started her podcast, You'd Be Like in twenty twenty three
or tween twenty four, and I was obsessed because it
was health and wellness, but the way and she would
interview them, but the way she would weave the conversation

(01:08:56):
together and with her like giving her thoughts in between
the questions, like post production was just so good. And
I'm so sad that she's no longer podcast, and I
think because I could tell that her the production post
production took hours, I think to make a three minute episode.
So I can hear more of that type of podcast.

(01:09:17):
There's something different, you know, like a different spin on
topics that we may already heard.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Well, let everybody you know where you can follow y'all,
support y'all names of the show so we can continue
to get these checks.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
All right, So I'm Boonie again.

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
You can follow me on Instagram threads at the Boonie Breakdown,
b oh n i E. I am on TikTok, but
I don't do any podcast stuff over there at this
is Boonie. The podcast is on all major platforms. You
can head on over to the Boonie Breakdown dot com

(01:09:54):
and everything is housed there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
And if you're in New Orleans or nearby, I want
to drive.

Speaker 5 (01:09:58):
We're doing a live show on December sixth that always
lounge and cabaret, so it'll be amazing. And I am
going to reschedule New York and Ebena and I are
going to do New York.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Yes, I was in stationing y b welsas Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Somebody name is Cassandra Dunbar and I host the b
Wells's podcast, So on Instagram, I'm at b Welsi's Underscore
podcast and you can listen to the podcast wherever. Go
watch the podcast on YouTube. I'm trying to get to
like the first five hundred subscribers.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Yes, ye'all support her channel, y'all you gotta beg because
I was begging them a child. I was like every day.
I was even doing ads for myself. So you might
have ne some mirro ass like my guy, y'all make
it hard for a pimp.

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
My god.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
But yes, that's where you can find me. And then
b Welfice is found on all the podcast players.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
And Ashley, what do you have working on? Who show
are you doing? So we are on hiatus right now,
but go and listen to the first four seasons of
Holding Court with evand k Williams. It is a riot.
You will learn so much fact. Yeah, so we're on
hiatus right now. Same for we don't always agree with

(01:11:14):
Sterling K Brown and Ryan Michelle Bethet. That's a beautiful
relationship podcast by a list celebrity couple who's been together
a long time and have a lot of wisdom and
funny ass ship to share.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
So she's a Delta and Ryan is a Delta.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Yes, Bony is. It's like the one of the founders, y'all, Like,
this is this devastating Eva delta here, baby, this is
the academy of what adelta would be. Okay, shout out
to you, but yeah, those those two shows, those are
two shows I'm working on. We're on hiatus right now.

(01:11:51):
We can follow me on Instagram Ashley J. Hobbs h Obbs,
but I don't really post a whole lot about podcasting there.
I post more of like my audi book narration stuff.
So if you care to listen to any of that
or see any of that, then you can follow me there.

Speaker 6 (01:12:05):
We can.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
I give you your flowers real quick. So I listened
to Happy Land over the summer and you were amazing.
So I become like really an avid audio book listener
and if the narration is not together, I will quit
really quickly. And you added to the story but did
not but didn't give it the way of the story either.
Does beautiful work, So thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
I'd be asking to actually do like different access and
stuff because I love if people can do access, and
I'd be cracking up. I said, like, what do I
do like an old Italian mobster. Yes, I was like,
do it again, do it again?

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
Do it now?

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
But yeah, actually in the show saying Happy Thanksgiving? What No,
y'all put me on the spot for the professional homegirls
told me that you want me to stay happy Thanksgiving
like my Grandmam Jones. No, dude, Joe, I don't know
how Jones sound. Okay, that's fair. Don't listen to that,
har Jon.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
But wait, what's my voice?

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Wait? You want me to do like a mobster? Yeah,
I'm thinking of like Jimmy I'm feeling I'm thinking of
like Jimmy Duranty in like the fifties. I just want
to wish you all a wonderful merry Oh oh, and
it's not. It's not Christmas, is Thanksgiving. A happy Turkey
Day and a merry Christmas. And on that note, y'all,

(01:13:30):
Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you, thank you, thank you for supporting
all of us. We are almost at the end of
the year, so I just wish you so much warmth
and joy because this has been a crazy year for
all of us. So may God continue to bless y'all
and just be in fellowship with the people that love you.
So thank you, thank you, thank you. And until next time,

(01:13:50):
everyone eat up posts. Bye say bye y'all, Bye bye bye.
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