HOLIDAY REWIND: I'm A High Paid Escort (pt. 2)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
What's up y'all? Isshagar and Ebine here and I hope
all is cute. Now, before we jump into this holiday
rewind episode, I am still traveling. However, I just want
to say thank you, thank you, thank you so much
for walking with me throughout twenty twenty five. I am
so thankful for you all love and support, and I
just hope that twenty twenty six give us everything that

(00:57):
our little hearts desire. Okay, so happy New Year, Professional Homegirls,
and until next time, everyone later. This is one of
my favorite guests. We haven't spoken well, we speak on
it off here and there, but as far as the episode,
it's been like three years one oh four? Has it

(01:18):
been that long?

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Since twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Oh yes, it has been twenty twenty three. So yes,
how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
How are you feeling? I mean, I know how you feeling.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
For the listeners, well, thank you for having me back
when you reached out and was like, I would love
to do a follow up, and I was like, oh, yes,
I would love to do a follow up. I've been
life has been interesting. I'll say that it's been good.
It's been good. It's been interesting. It's been so busy.

(01:49):
But I'm sure we'll get into that during the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yes, yes, Now, have you noticed any shifts and perceptions
towards sex work.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Oh, yes, I have.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
It is it's it's so weird because first of all,
you have like the only fans that took off during
the pandemic, right right, so like only like you know,
when I first started in the industry. I think I
might have mentioned this on the first interview, But when
I first started in the industry, like I was a

(02:23):
cam model, and that was seen as like online prostitution,
you whore, that's so dirty, And now like almost just
like I just know way too many like just normal
girls that have only fans, like only fans, and like
the pandemic and only fans becoming mainstream. I think it's

(02:46):
helped with like a little bit of the stigma of
like sex work as an umbrella now as an escort
we are still heavily stigmatized. We're still in a lot
of danger. People so like want to murder us and shit.
But I feel like there there is a shift. Yeah,
that's starting to happen where women, especially with these manuscript podcasts,

(03:13):
women are starting to see that dating is just trash.
It's just a fucking scam. It's a whole as scam. Right.
So I'm like, I'm very open now. I know I
think I mentioned last time. You know, my family knows
what I do. But I don't hide as much anymore.
Like when I meet people and they're like, oh, what
do you do and I'm just like, oh, you know,

(03:34):
I'm a professional dater and they're like what's that?

Speaker 4 (03:37):
And I'm like, also known as an escort.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Like I think, like, well, I mean I get it,
professional dater like that, Like they're people aren't used to
that term, right. I try to say it to like
get it in people's head. Right, Like when people book me,
they're not booking me.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I don't just.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Lay there star if they shouldn't take it, right, And
so I try to get it through their heads. Like
this isn't like the days of like the brothels, where
like men are passing through town, they walk in, they
you know, do whatever they want to our bodies, and
then they leave some money on the table. Then the
next guy comes in. Like that's why I say professional data, right,

(04:15):
But even I.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Say not to cut you off. But even when you
say professional dater, the first thing comes to my mind
is companionship.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yes, but some people still think that.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
It's like, you know, like every year around the holidays,
there's always like this thing that goes viral about somebody
saying that they're for hire to go to your family
function so that your family will stop asking you about dating.
When people hear professional dater, they think something like that, right,
Like I'm getting paid like maybe fifty to one hundred

(04:45):
bucks to like show it to dinner. And I'm like, yeah,
I'm getting paid to show up to dinner. Just multiply
that by several hundreds, you know, like multiply that shit,
and I am being you know, paid for that. And
then you know, sometimes other things happen and it's none
of your fucking business, right rights, who knows what happens,

(05:09):
It's none of your business, right. I feel like, you
know that just with the everybody feeling like dating is
a scam now, because these guys get on the internet
and they're running their fucking mouth about women needing to submit,
women need to go fifty to fifty, they need to
bring something to the table and let a man lead
and all this shit. And these women are like, they

(05:31):
start to turn me, like, I see why you charge
for men to just enter your life period, but any
capacity text messaging, I don't care if they've never met me.
You have no access to me in my personal space
right without some.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Sort of payment because I don't have time for it.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right. Do you still find yourself like addressing like stereotypes
or misconceptions.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
Oh my god, yes, And I'm like, I created a
whole podcast to like help with some of the misconceptions
after our last interview, so I think we talked about
the first.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Interview that I had a podcast.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
Originally I parted ways with that one, and then I
was like, you know, I'm just not satisfied with like,
you know, sharing my perspective of this industry. So I
created another podcast to kind of dispel some of the
myths and stereotypes even a little bit more. And this
was just focusing on the dating aspect of what we

(06:37):
do right. So I had a like different kind of
women on and they all talked about their favorite like
one of their favorite memories or favorite dates or something
in the industry, and you know, there was no discussion
about like, you know, sexual intimacy, right, And even then,

(06:58):
it's like people still don't get it right. They still
refer to like our good clients as simps. You know,
you hear that all the time. Now, the sense, the sense,
and the one thing that I have to say about
men who call other men sense, I'm like, the one
thing that they're doing that you're not is they're getting

(07:21):
the dates and they're getting.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Fucked right right, Like their whole goal is to get fucked.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
And I'm like, honestly, it's not that hard to get
sex out of me.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
You just have to treat me well.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah. I think that's why a lot of women. If
you make me feel good and treat me nice, you
can get whatever you want.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
The floodgates are open, like literally you know, cardib style
right right right, it gets it gets very voice down there. Okay,
all you have to do is treat me decent, Like
you don't even have to like bring out private jets
or anything like.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Just be a nice person, just be a good.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Person and being genuine about it because I can I
don't know if it's because of my profession, but I
can tell the difference between the men who are genuinely
nice guys versus the ones that they behaved so that
they can get the sex out of you, right, I
can tell the difference. And it's like my energy, like

(08:21):
my body just doesn't want to you know, just doesn't
want to bloom for them.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
It doesn't want to open up for them, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
And I mean, I can tell you there is some
clients out there that might be upset because they didn't
get what they thought they were going to get. And
I'm like, my dude, like I don't like the way
you're talking to me. I don't like the way you're
treating me. Now, don't get me wrong, I haven't had
these kind of clients in a long time.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
It's been several years.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
But like at the time, I kept attracting like some
clients that I didn't like, and they thought that because
they're paying me, I had to deal with whatever they're
going to give me, and I still have to perform.
And I'm like, not my dude, you pay me to
leave my house when I show up. If you're not
on your best behavior, I don't even want to be

(09:11):
here handing me over my money. And I'm going to
leave because now it feels like a dangerous situation.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Right, this isn't gonna work.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
Just like last week on Twitter, there was like this
whole discourse about deposits, and I'm like, if you don't
want to pay my deposit, I'm totally okay with that.
You're just gonna have to find somebody else because I'm
not leaving my house without a deposit. I just won't
do it. Like I don't have to do it. I
won't do it because I'm going to show up tense.

(09:44):
I'm going to be like freaking the fuck out on something. Yeah,
like is he going to pay me? But once I
get that deposit, I'm like, you could cancel, but you're
not getting the refund. You know, those are laid out
very clear, and people still think that like they.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Didn't have to pass the deposit.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
You ever got chargebacks?

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Me? No, I know other girls that have. I think
people just know not to fuck with me, and I
would advise them very much so to not do that.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
And it's nice way possible.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Right, I'm a very nice person, but I am somebody
that you should not cross. And I hope So I
hope some like future client out there or person out
there isn't like hearing this interview and find me and
then thinks like.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
And try should they should take this as a challenge.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
And they fuck around and find out.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, I don't think it would end well for them.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
In our previous discussion, you mentioned the positive impact of
the pandemic in your business, So how has that been
going for you? Like, has it still been consistent or
have you seen the change? Did I?

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Did I mention that?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Man?

Speaker 5 (10:58):
That was Yeah, twenty twenty was a whole fucking that
was a wild year. Yeah, Like I mean people were
so lonely.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, gets what the stimulus text?

Speaker 5 (11:14):
You know, I'm not gonna lie. There are uh, there
are a few clients where not the stimulus checks. But
I like, okay, So my my background is in the
financial industry, right, Like I was an account I was
an accountant, and and one thing that I loved doing

(11:36):
was financial fraud, right, so I can peep fraud from
a mile away. And there were some clients from like
I know that they must be booking me with like
pp Elos.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
I don't know it, but I can't prove it.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
I'm not going to ask you about it because I
don't want to be involved in like any sort of
like investigation, Like that's none of my business. I'm not
Erica Girardi. You're not about to come after me and
get my like no, right, But like it was, it
was just like it was either that where like everybody
felt the world was ending and there's like what the

(12:10):
fuck is money anyway? If the world is going to
end and about to have fun? Like twenty twenty twenty
twenty one was booming.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
You made a lot of money.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
I made a lot of money, and twenty twenty two
I slowed.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Down a bit because I had some personal projects that
I've been working on, right remodeling my condo. I've been
working on that really hard, and a lot of it
I was doing myself because like men can't depend on them,
they're they're fucking shit up. And I was like, all right,
me and YouTube University gotta get in get in here

(12:45):
and start doing the work myself, right, And then you know,
I've just been thinking about like what I want for
the next five years with my life.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, slow down, we don't get there. Well no, I mean.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
That's last years when I started to slow down.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, a bitch is tired, I know. Yeah. We was
talking about how tired we were.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
We are, like I am tired, okay, Like I've been
in this game for a while, Like, yeah, I can't
believe that, Like January will be nine years and you know,
obviously nine years turn into ten years.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
And I had a five year plan when I first started.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, you know, I feel like when I meet a
lot of sex workers, they always have an idea when
they're gonna get in and get out, and it they
never get out the time they say they want to
get out. You think it's money.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
The money becomes addicting.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Yeah, I like, I'm not gonna lie, Like the money
absolutely becomes addicting. Like what other industry can you have
like a low barrier entry and like make thousands of
dollars overnight. R you know, we can set our own prices, like,
don't get me wrong, Like I didn't start out at
the price that I'm at now. I priced myself now

(13:57):
because I had to flow down. You know, I'm tired,
so I had to slow down, like I don't I
don't want to work every day all this. You know,
you see online booked and busy, booked and busy, and
I'm like, I'm exhausted, But yeah, I don't want to
be booked and busy. I mean I want to be
booked and busy for me, right, and for me working

(14:19):
every single day going on dates is not like I
got a body to maintain.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
I got I have healthy eating that I need to
partake in.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
And eating out on dates every day is just I
started thinking, like, listen, if anybody wants me to like
to cook a nice bacon meal as part of our date,
you know, just throw me a little extra money, and
because I need to keep eating healthy.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
You know what's so interesting about you? Because I feel
like when we do talk, like off the cameras of
like they're like when we're like texting and stuff, like, yeah,
I really feel like you have a whole different side
of you. And I know you're not religious religious, but
I kind of feel like you are spiritual. And I
can tell that you're like exhausted, like just off of
the conversation we had before, So like, how are you

(15:05):
like protecting your energy? Well, all the different people that
you're interacting with.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
Oh, well, you know, I am very privileged. Now, I
will say I had to work hard for this privilege.
I don't want anybody thinking that I grew up privilege.
But I have worked very hard over the last like
several years to get to a place where I can
decline appointments. Like when I tell you, if if somebody
says anything during the booking process that I don't like,

(15:32):
I mean, they can literally just be like, hey, today
I looked outside and I saw some clouds, and I'd
be like, why the fuck are you mentioning clouds to me? Like,
I mean it could be like like, it could be anything.
It's so like if I'm not feeling it, I'm like, yeah,
I am not feeling it.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
I'll just be like sorry, I don't think we mesh well, right,
you know.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Like I just like somebody sent me an email a
couple months ago and he asked me, uh if I
did PS, and I was like, this PSC porn star Experience.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
What's that? So? Well?

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Oh my god, I asked this on Twitter and holy shit,
it started a ship storm. It means it appears to
mean something different to everybody, but for.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Me, PSC means like you know, like in a two
hour booking.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
They think that it's gonna be sets, like all sets,
you know, maybe like with like maybe like ten minutes
in between the like chat while they like you know,
rest and get themselves back together.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
And I'm not a multi person. No, it's not what
I do.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
You know.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
So many acronyms in this business.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
One of them ms.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Og multiple shots on goal.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
I'm not one of those people st.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Like they can like come as many times as they can,
and I'm like, I will, I will walk out like what.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Do you what? I yeah, maybe I guess I'm vanilla
because I'm.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Like, what, yes, I mean these are all of these
industry terms, and this is like one thing people ask me, like,
you know, if you could give a new girl or
like the younger girls in the business like just starting
like what what kind of advice would you give it?
And I'm like, don't start off being one of those
you know, goal oriented providers letting men do as much

(17:28):
as they want, because it's gonna be hard to get
away from that because they all get into these forums,
they start talking, chatting, and then within two years you're going.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
To be exhausted.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
So unless you have a backup plan that you're going
to get out in like two years, you you need
to like protect your body at all costs. Like this
is our moneymaker, right, And I'm like I will if
I even think that somebody wants me just for like
purely sexual experience, I'm like, yeah, we're not gonna mesh.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
Well. I'm like, I'm in my thirties, Like this ain't
gonna work.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
But do you ever just want to just have sex
and not like spend time with somebody you mean, like.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
A hook up?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, like just get straight to it, like because I
feel like spending time with somebody that's a lot of time.
Like that's that's a lot.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
It is.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
It is.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
And you know, so I have like I have ADHD
and a lot of people don't realize when I tell
them why I'm so exhausted. And I like when I
tell you that, people think that we form like pretend connections,
And I'm like, I'm really.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Good at my job.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
When I tell you my long term clients, they're not
sticking around for my vagina. It's because like I have
put in the work and we have formed actual bonds.
Like I'm talking about like we're going out on dates,
and many many.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Other women can attest to this, right.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
It's not like I'm some like special person, right, we
all talk about it, but like, you know, I go
on like dates to the zoo because like one of
my favorite clients he knows that I love animals. He
so every time we get together one like we'll get
together for like two three days, and one of the
days we're going.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
To a zoo.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
Yet I love animals, right, like, and we're talking about
like and then it's like, oh, you know, like like
Nashville Zoo they had like a giraffe feeding experience and
he's like, I yoke. He's like, I know you want
to feed the giraffe, right, And I'm like, of course
I do. And it's just like and they're telling he's
telling me like watching you interact with these animals, like

(19:49):
you're like a kid, like your eyes light up and
to him, like he loves.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
That about me, right you know, And I'm like.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
This and this is what keeps him coming back because
like we're genuinely together, like just enjoying ourselves.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Right.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
And then and then I will tell you, like we
have great sex because we have this genuine connection.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, it's genuine, right.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Not because he's paying me to have sex with me.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
I'm like, no, I don't get paid for sex, right
because if I don't like you, I just won't do.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
That right, right, right, But these.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Are genuine connections that we have with people, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Right, did you have to like do anything differently when
it comes to safety because I feel like you, like
you're about to do another tour real soon, and you've
been traveling a lot this year, right.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
I have been traveling a lot. Like listen, I bought
my travel vehicle of my dreams, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Like, I hit the road. This is so cute, y'ah.
She sent me pictures.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yes, I can't talk about it because I don't want anybody,
you know, following me and stalking me. But I bought
my travel vehicle and I'm so excited. So I was
just like, listen, I'm going to hit the road. And
I've just been having so much fun this year. Like,
because like I make some money, I take some days off, right, so, like,

(21:08):
you know, like this tour, this tour is pretty booked,
but that's okay because I'm taking the last two weeks
off of the month. To like go hang out with
like friends and hopefully see some snow. I don't know,
but my safety, yeah, I really I can't disclose all
of my safety features obviously for safety reasons, but I do.

(21:35):
I do a lot of screening. I mean I may
have some trackers on me somewhere, you know, like if
somebody thought that they might want to kidnap me, it's
not the best idea because.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
You were going to be found if a Nina was
trying you. And by the end of POP, I was like,
I give up because I was like.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
My mom was like, they're gonna if they give me bed.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
They they should, Like I'm not gonna make it easy, you.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Know what I'm saying, Like I'm not going to make
it easy.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
And I you know, I just have all of these
like safety like I go through these so again, my
family knows what I do.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
My family, my close friends, right.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
Right, So I have all of these like things in
these things and protocols in place. If you don't hear
from me by this time, like this is where I
am like they know everything, they know, like they.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Will know up to the last they sure, yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Exactly, So like somebody always knows where I am.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
I mean even if I'm like I leave my hotel
room and I like go get something to eat, right, Like,
somebody knows where I am every moment that I am
away from my home, somebody knows what I'm.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Doing and just being a woman, Like I think that's
very important, Like I have everybody has my location because
I live on myself, I'm single, I'm dating, Like I
feel like people are really fucking weird.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
So I think, I mean when I when I tell you,
like they have my location, I mean, I got I
got my vehicle lojacked. It's not everything I have, like
everything I have all sorts of things, yeah, I mean,
and it's not even like my clients, you know, because
at that point, like you know, I could be snatched

(23:26):
going into a mall or yeah, I'm a small person,
so I like at some point, like I'm sure my
family is like you can go to the grocery store.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
You don't need to let us know.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
And I'm like listen, like, I mean, they don't say
things like that because I've had to kidnapping attempts in
my life, so they're they're just like.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Okay, from the industry.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
No, before I got into the business, what Yeah, yeah,
I can't talk about it. Yeah, I mean this was
while I was traveling. I travel by myself a lot,
and I'm a very small person. Like people don't realize
how small five feet is until they're standing next to

(24:09):
somebody who's five feet tall. Like most like most people
like are average heights, so they think, like, oh, you're.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Short, you're a cute girl.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
Yeah, and they don't realize like I'm below average height,
like I'm very fatigue and I am told a lot
that I look a lot younger than what I am.
So at the time when those that kidnapping attempts happen,
they probably thought that I was in college and I

(24:36):
wasn't as full of grown as adult with the four
O one k, you know, in a career and everything,
and I mean I ran and got away, don't get
me wrong, but so yeah, so but anyway, so yeah,
my family's like on high alert because we know that
if it can happen to somebody, it might happen to me.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
So I have to take I have to take the
like most extreme.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Faking measures, right, you know, I feel like, you know,
you disclosed some things to me before a conversation and
like just talking to you more like do you eus
just look back on your life like prior to being
in the industry and just being like, God, damn, I'm
like I've been through some shit, you.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Know, Yeah, I honestly, yeah I have. Uh.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
I just the other day, I was like organizing my kitchen.
It was just like one of those random things it
just pops in your head, right, and like I was like, Damn,
that really happened. Like sometimes like sometimes I'm just like
some of the shit that's happened in my life, like
it just seems so weird, right, Like did I imagine?

(25:50):
And I'm like, yo, I did not fucking imagine that
that really happened.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Like I can't believe it.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
And I'm like, damn, I really have been through some shit. Yeah,
but people don't believe me when I tell them.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
Being in this job literally saved my life because I
did not I did not realize how I like, I'm
a very care free person, and I did not realize
how carefree I was, like do Like people will see
on my Twitter and all the shit that I, you know,
posted on Twitter and going on yachts and shit like that,

(26:27):
and they think like, oh, you know, she's you know,
she doesn't know how to ask.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
She's and I'm like, no, no, I live in Florida.
Live in Florida, babes.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Being a pretty young girl getting invited on yachts is
not It's not hard to do.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
My early twenties, like, you know, I wasn't in this business,
and I'm going out with.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
Strange men on their fucking yachts in the middle of
the ocean.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Right drinking alcohol.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Like, do you know how much danger I have myself
in because I'm just like, oh, I'm just having a
good time.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
How did guys survive my twenties?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
You know? My next question is how has your perception
of sex work industry evolved since you first enter it,
because it's been like almost ten years now, and what
have been the most significant lessons you learned along the way?

Speaker 5 (27:19):
Man, When I first entered the industry, I really thought
that I that I would be having a lot more
sex than I am.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
But I think that's a stereotype, do I think a
lot of people? Yeah, that's idea.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
And hold on, I have to say this.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
I do not want any girl out there thinking that, like, like,
how these some of these girls who are in TikTok
saying that they're sugar babies that don't have to give
up the sugar.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
They are lying to you. They are setting you up
for failure. Do not believe it.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
I mean, even in just regular dating without money, men
expect sex at every point in your life.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
As soon as they meet you. Everything they're doing is
to make sure they get sex from you.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Right.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
So I still don't understand why our job is criminalized
because like I'm like, I don't I don't get paid
for sex, but I know that's what they're expecting.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
But I.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Was having this conversation with a friend the other night
and I was like, yeah, I had, you know, like
you know, a few married girlfriends, and you know, they're
talking about like how they don't want their marriage to
be ruined because of sex. So they're having sex like
five times a week.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
And I was like what right, But I was like.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
They're having more sex than I am.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
And I was like and listen, like I love sex
and everything, right, but I'm like a bit just tired,
Like I'm not. I don't just lay there like I
want to enjoy it. I want to have multiple orgasms.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Right.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Orgasms are exhausting I don't know why men think that
they're just something easy for women to have. They are exhausting,
and I can have multiple in a row, right, So
if I have multiple, I.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Am dead to them.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, I'm done sleep. I need sleep.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I don't even touch me like I need to. My
body is like I need to charge.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
And I'm just like and I'm just like, oh my god,
like these women, these poor women. They and and that's
one thing is like men are like, oh, you're a hole,
you're ran through.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
And I'm like, it's still very much tight, very tight.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
And I was like, I have less sex than your
wives out there. The ones, the ones that are trying hard,
I should say, the ones that have given up. I
don't know what they do, but the ones that are
trying very hard because they they feel like they have
to perform in order to keep their husband happy. And
I'm like, oh my god, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
But you made a good point earlier about how people
feel like they have access to our bodies.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
They really do feel entitled.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
And mostly, you know, society religion is a main part
of it is because society and religion tells women that
we're only good for what we can do for men, right,
and they should have to do nothing except like expect
sex from us, right, emotional they expect emotional labor from us.

(30:20):
They expect physical labor as far as like keeping up
the house, and then they expect sexual labor.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
And I'm like, get somebody else to do it. I
can't do it. I'm tired.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
Yeah, it's a lot like like let me just stay
single because they all tell me that I'm gonna die
single and the loan and I'm like, I'm fine with that.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Like I'm like living my best fucking life.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
When I stopped censoring men in my life, my life
became significantly better, including this job.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Right, Like I used to.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Be so focused on like making like marketing myself towards
like what do men want?

Speaker 4 (31:00):
And I'm like, I'm tired.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I'm tired.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
I was like, this is me and this is what
you're gonna get if you like me. Great, And oh
my god, the minute I did that. Like, like when
I say that I don't work often, it's because I
don't have to because the gates that I'm getting are
very lucrative, so I don't have.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
To do it as often. Right, And there are guys
that match me. You have always been since I've been
knowing you. You've always been an advocate of like just
being yourself like you always do girls. Yeah, so much.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
It's so much easier now there are people who can
do the whole mask thing.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
I'm not good at masking.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
I already have to mask so much in my life
with like having ADHD and just having like just all
the other shit that's wrong with me. Ray, I told
you that I have indimetriosis and living with that for
so many years, like nobody wants to hear that. I'm
never feeling while right. So every day I'm pretty much

(32:03):
like just having to pretend that everything's okay, right, and
so there there just becomes a point where like I
can't mask for the rest of my fucking life with
every single.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Thing that I do right, So I'm like, I can't
do it. Like I'm telling you, I've made a lot
more money. I've worked less but made more money me myself.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, good for you, And I feel like now, like
I know you're tired and you're exhausted, but I also
feel like you're happier compared to the last time I
spoke to you.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
I am so much happier.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Okay, I will tell you though, because I don't want
people to think that I'm just so tired of exhausted
because like I've ran through herseff.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
No no, no, no, no, no, I'm not I hear it.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
No no, I'm not implying that listeners, Like, I don't
want you to think that she's tired because of what
she does. She's tired because she's working, like life is
just life, and like I'm tired, Like yeah, like you're hustling,
you're grinding, like you have goals that you want to meet.
I mean, you're taking care of things by yourself, Like
it's a lie to fucking work when it comes to
being a grown woman, Like.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, I hate being a grown woman, Like I don't.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I don't don't have himp, Like it's a lot of
fucking work. And then you're building businesses, you have goals
outside of your career, Like it's a lot of fucking work,
like you're it's non stop, so it don't even have
nothing to do with the industry, like a bitch.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
It really doesn't.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
Actually what I'm tired, what I'm tired from is like
building my next uh the next thing that I'm going
to do in life. Yeah, after I'm preparing. I'm preparing
myself today for whenever I retire from this industry. You
have a date, I don't have a Well, I kind

(33:42):
of do have a date. I just don't want to
share it with anybody, Okay, Okay, I just want to
like be like peace out, just like thanks everybody, it's
been real.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
And peace out.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
But I feel like I feel like part of me
will never technically leave the dusty Street because I have
I have clients that as long as they're they're single,
because most of the ones that I have that are
long term actually have been single, And as long as
they're single and want to keep seeing me, I'm I'll
probably continue to see them. Why not, right?

Speaker 5 (34:17):
But you know when I say retire, I mean like
I'm not advertising anymore. I'm not I'm not doing all
the you know, social media and all that stuff. Like
you know, I just won't be doing all of that,
and I will be working on my personal brands and
working on that, like doing this simultaneously, like setting up

(34:37):
my future.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
It's so much work. It's a lot of work. Listen.
I feel like with my brand, like I really believe
in my heart that I have a million dollar business.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
But between that, can I tell you that, I like,
I still love what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
I still love it, and I'm like, so when you
got onto the network, I.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Know, she was one of my main supporters, and I
was like, oh my god, yes, girl, I was so
excited for you know, and that's why I like fucks
with you, cause I feel like my guest, y'all. She
has been with me since we first met, Like she
has been such a very proud friend I can call
like somebody who I like. We talk back and forth,

(35:23):
like I think she's very smart, like for her to
have her condo, Like you just have so much things
going on, so for you to support me out loud
really means a lot to me because you oh, what
you're doing is so great and I love it.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
I love it so much and I'm just so proud
of you and just you know that you're moving up
in the world.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, you know, and it's a lot of fucking work.
Like I'm mentally exhausted.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
It is exhausting.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, it's exactly. You know.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
People ask me all the time, like, oh, I'm thinking
about starting a podcast, and my first question.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Is why, Yeah, why why?

Speaker 5 (35:58):
And like because it is exhausting. It's not as easy
as people think of just like putting on I mean
the men out there and their stupid tanks takes on
calling everybody simps. They make it seem so easy, you know,
they just put up a microphone and they just start
spewing bullshit.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
But if you actually quit care about like quality.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, it's a lot of work.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Right, So what does success look like for you? Success? Yeah? Oh,
like do you feel like you made it? No?

Speaker 4 (36:35):
God, no, I'm so far from making it likely.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
I'm like one of those people where like I think
I have a little bit of like imposter syndrome. Really
I do, And I think that that will always like
keep me in some sort of like I'm not successful yet, right,
And it's not even like I used to think that

(37:02):
it would be like a financial number and it's not
really no, because then like okay, let's say I reached
that financial number, and then I'm like, well, that's not
going to be enough until like I can retire my
mom from her job and be able to like literally
be able to fully take care of another human being.
Right where she has no other additional income coming in,

(37:25):
and like, you know, I told my mom, like I
need my mom for emotional support. I tell her that
all the time. Yeah, Like, I just need you to
be like my voice of reason. I'm going to put
one day, I'm going to put you on payroll just
so that you can be my emotional support.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Have you always been close or did y'all? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Okay, yeah, we've always We've always been I mean, you know,
I was like a snot nos teenager, right, you know,
going to these rich high schools and you know, being
around spoiled kids and thinking like that was my life.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
And my mom was like, no, you're.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Black, that's not your life, like like I will show
you better than I can tell you kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
And uh but you know, after like my after I
got out of.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Those stupid teenage years of thinking that I was an
adult and knew better, I'm like, I don't want to
be an adult anymore. We yeah, we we've been close. Yeah,
my whole life, we've been close.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yeah, I'm a huge fan.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Like I'm like, I like, I probably have like an
unhealthy relationship, I joke, and I what is that?

Speaker 4 (38:31):
What is that show.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Oh, I can't remember the name of the show right now,
the you know, the one where he's like obsessed with
his mom came from a movie.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
He's so, oh, Cycle is it Psycho? Is it a
scary movie?

Speaker 4 (38:49):
I think it was a scary movie. I think the
Baits Baits the Baittel Show.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, Cycle, Yeah, is that Psycho? I think it's like
a spin off. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
I joke with mom that I that we're Norman Norman Bates.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yes, you know, I actually listened to your conversation with
your mom. How did you feel leading up to that
conversation and then did you discover anything new about how
she felt about everything?

Speaker 5 (39:19):
Yeah, Like we talked about it and I asked her
and I said, you know, a lot of people, I
think a lot of people also felt that maybe I
was shitting about, like my mom being cool with everything.
And when I say cool with it, I mean like
she'd rather me not be doing this, by the way,
like people people think that, like, oh, like your mom's
like approving, Like, no, she'd rather me be doing anything

(39:40):
but this, But she just wants me to be happy.
So when I say approval, she just wants me to
be happy. And I told her, I said, you know,
I would really like to get a perspective from a
parent of somebody that's in this industry.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
And she was like, yeah, I'll do it for you. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
Good.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Be very nervous.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Of course, I can only imagine because your prom is
she's she West Indian. No, I don't know where I
got that from.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
No, we're just good old American slave black.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Okay, but no, So how do you maintain like open
and honest communication about your experiences?

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Okay, I will tell you that I don't.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
There's a lot of experiences that I don't share with her,
right right, like a client like does something bad, Like
I don't give her every detail.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
I do share with her.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Like all the good things though, But otherwise I think
it's more it's not necessarily about my mom.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
It's about myself. Like I'm very much like I need
to like.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
In order for me to thrive in my life, I
need to be able to be comfortable with me and
be one hundred percent authentically me. And if I can't,
if I can't do that, then like we have a problem. Right, Like,
I'm not going to be happy, I'm going to be stressed.
I'm going to be miserable.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
I don't. I just don't like having to hide any
part of my life.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
Like I will tell my mom, like I don't want
to talk about it kind of thing, Right, there's something
I don't want to share with her. I'll just say
I don't want to talk about it, or you don't
want to hear it. If I say you don't want
to hear it, she knows, like, yep, she doesn't want
to hear it. Right, But again, as long as I'm safe,
like that's all she cares about.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Safe and happy. Yeah, happy for sure, because life is
hard and life is too short to be unhappy.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
I was miserable as an accountant, Like you know, you
didn't know me before I was miserable, Like I was
probably one of those people that was just miserable to
be around because I was miserable, right, And I was like.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
I don't want to be that person.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Really does, And so I.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Worked hard to like be happy, Like you know, it's
been a journey for sure.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Challenge get me started.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
It has, like I can't I literally cannot believe I've
been out of corporate this song.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, and you know there.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
Are times where you know, like I'll I'll hear about
a case on uh like on the news or something,
and it'll like pique my interest and I'm like, man, like, oh,
I know, like that would have been a great case
for me to work on, you know, solving these financial crimes.
And I think about it all the time, and I'm
just like and like I think about it, and then

(42:38):
I'm like just the thought of like waking up in
the morning and having to report somewhere at a time
that wasn't set by me, right.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I'm like, oh, fuck, I can't do it.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Like I get anxiety just thinking about working a normal job.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
But what if you was to do it as your
own business?

Speaker 5 (43:00):
Yeah, that interferes with my travel schedule. I'm I'm gonna
be honest. The only thing I like, I tell people
I don't know if I'm joking or if I'm being serious,
because sometimes I'm not sure that I have no personality
outside of traveling, Like that's like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
That's what person I have no idea like you, but
like not this me, but like real me.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
I'm like, I don't even know if I have a personality,
Like I just want to travel and only talk about travel,
and like the only thing I care about is traveling,
and then as soon as I get home from a trip,
I'm like, oh, I'm exhausted from that trip and I'm
home for a week, and I'm like, all right, when
is the next trip? Because I'm like, why the fuck
am I sitting here? Like why am I home?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Right?

Speaker 5 (43:49):
I can't fucking stand being home, Like I like to
come home to see my mom if she's not that's
if she's not traveling with me, because she'd.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Be like I would, she goes on the right with me,
So like not while I'm touring.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Right, Like when I did my tour this summer, I
did like a three week tour and that's because I
was going to be off for three weeks, right, So
I drove up, I drove up to a destination, flew
my mom there, and then we spent three weeks on
the road together, and it was, oh my god, it
was so much fun.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
It was so much fun.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
And like for me, like, I don't feel like I
have success until like I can do that with my
mom all the time.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Right, she doesn't.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
She doesn't have to take off time from work because
like she's like her job is being my emotional support.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Assistant, right, right, Are you so serious about that?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
And of you and your siblings, are you the one
that's the closest to your mom.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
I don't like to answer that question because I don't think.
I think all of us have different relationships.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
With with my mom.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Yeah, you know, obviously my siblings are married, they're doing
the whole American dream house, picket fence kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
They're They're very normal. They're normal people.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I am not.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
So I'm the one that requires a little more attention.
You know, I'm the wild child. I'm single.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
I am I'm just out here living life.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
I'm very carefree. I'm just not I'm out there in
the streets. Okay, I'm in the street. You know.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
One thing that I remember when when we first met
is that I always said that I see you as
an educator. Really yeah, and I know you was like, no,
I don't want to do that, but I'm going to
get your opinion on something. Do you feel like sex
work should be taught in schools? Hmmm, No, really, because

(46:02):
I think it's.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
I feel like it should be part of maybe like
a sociology class, maybe psychology class. I will tell you, though,
there's so much stigma when it comes to professional and
professional health care providers, whether it's a guy of collegist,
like I switched gy to cologists because I told her
that I was an escort. And her question to me,

(46:28):
while she was, you know, doing my pepsmere was like,
aren't you afraid?

Speaker 4 (46:32):
And I was like, of what, Oh, she's like of
being harmed, And I go, I'm afraid of the police.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
They're the only people I'm afraid of because like, I
can't fight, I can't fight back. Like if there's if
it's an undercover cop, right and he and he does
something where I'm like thinking, like my life is about
to be in danger if I do anything to him.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Now I have a charge on battery on law enforcement officer.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Right. But if it's like you know, somebody who's in
I don't want to say certain like serial killers, Okay,
Like let's be honest, they're out there.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
They caught the Long Island serial killer.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
But you know I can take my chances with somebody
I can fight there. I can't fight their but the
cops they can say whatever they want about you and
nobody cares.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
So I'm like, yeah, that's what I'm afraid of.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
But I also asked me that question while you and
my pussy.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
While you're a girl, Like this is some basis.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, like you say something like why you ask me?
Don't ask questions?

Speaker 5 (47:32):
I'm like, I feel violated right right. I switched out
to collegist.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
But I said that sex worsts should be tall. I
said this the other night and everybody was like what.
And I think the reason why sex work should be
tall is for reasons like that, just for awareness. And
I also think that the things that like nine to
five jobs are going to be non existent very soon,
Like it's going to get to a point where people
are going to want to be creatives and podcasters and
all this other shit and sex workers. And I think

(47:59):
that why not create a curriculum that shows people how
to do things the safe way so you don't have
to learn at the hard way.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
But it's out there, That's what I'm saying. Like the
girl is coming in. I mean, I'm gonna be honest.
If anybody asks me for advice right now, I'd be like,
do anything other than this. I'm just gonna be honest.
This is like people think that all you have to
do is like post cute pictures on.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
It is, but when I tell.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
You it's work.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
It can be lonely, it can be isolating, it's mentally exhausting,
like it is hard work, and then you you have
your your safety at risk. Like if you can do
anything else, please do it. Like I'm not I'm not
trying to like you know, be a gatekeeper or anything,
but like do anything else.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
But I'm not promoted. That's like the girls thought I
was promoting it, and I'm not promoting. I just feel
like there's just so much stigma around it.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
There is, but but with in our community, we have
created those those resources we like I've written a book,
another with my former podcast, I wrote a book on
how to get started. There's other other people who wrote books,
some that wrote books with like you know, self care,

(49:18):
the self care that's involved in this. We need a
lot of self care, right, So I don't I wouldn't
say it should be a college course just because like
we're sex. Work is work, don't get me wrong. But
when we're talking about like this is our personal bodies,
and when you start talking about like college college courses

(49:44):
and like I want to destigmatize it, but I also
need people to realize that like it's still labor using
our bodies. Yeah, and that's not something that's so easy
to just be like, oh yeah, we can just have
a class on it, right because it's still like, it's
still our bodies. Because then because it goes almost to

(50:05):
the point of like legalization, and I'm very much against
not legalizing it.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah, I gotta pay tax on my body.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Well, it's not the taxes. We do pay taxes, you know,
we pay our taxes.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
That's not the issue. The issue is.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
Once you start, when it's legalized, then it becomes elitists.
Right then the low burierer entry, they start, oh, okay,
now you have to have a license to do it.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Now you have to have this, and I have to that.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
And then all the women that are like you know
what people would say, quote unquote at the bottom.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Now it's going to be harder for them to enter
the business.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Right And then it becomes yeah, and then.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
It's going to become where who's going to benefit from
the legalization then blonde white women.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
It's going to make it very hard, right you see Nevada.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Already you have to license in the and if you
owe child support, a lot of women go to make
money to catch up on child support, right, and if
you owe child support, you can't work in Nevada.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, legal as a legal.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Prostitute in Nevada. You can't work if you owe child support.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
How the fuck am I gonna pay child support if
I don't have the income to do it right?

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Right?

Speaker 5 (51:22):
You know, y'all don't want to raise minimum wage, but
you don't want you don't want women doing what they
can to make the money, you know, So it becomes
like if it starts to be too mainstream and being
taught in classes, then it'll become legalized, which I don't
think it'll ever be legalized because our antic society is

(51:43):
to Christian and like that's the only thing that saves
us from the legalization because I'm very anti brothel, right,
Like it's like it is like literally I tried working
in one and it was literally like I felt like
I was being pimped out.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah. I had a conversation with actually my homegirl. She
was on the show and she talked about working in
the brothel and I was like, wow.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
And their girls that like it, so please don't come
for me.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah, because these.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Girls who are like I'm legal, I'm legal. Somehow they
think that they're better than us at aren't legal. And
I'm like, sweetie, if I want to leave to go
get my own food, I can. You can't leave the
premises without an escort, right, Like that feels like fucking
it feels like sexual prison. Yeah, because like because the

(52:34):
law in the area feels like if they leave the brothel,
they're gonna go out trying to find John's.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
On the street.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
Right, who the fuck is paying money to stay at
the brothel? Because you do have to pay your room
rate every day, paying money to stay at the brothels,
so they couldn't go walk the street to find.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
What right, you're literally putting yourself in danger or to
go find clients when you could be at the in
the safety of the brothel.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Like that makes a fun friend.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
It's all just a way to keep women from being
able to thrive because at the end of the day,
society wants women to just be available.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
For men to use our bodies whichever way they want.
And I'm like, fuck you, you have to pay me to
even talk to me. Don't talk to me if you're
not gonna pay me.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
But see, I think that's a great I think that's
a great point and I think that's the reason why
I feel like because I feel like sex work is
still taboo, and I feel like it shouldn't be. I
feel like it is right, and I feel like we
need more conversations and not just because of like how
to make money and do all these other things, but
conversations like these so that people can know, like yo,

(53:48):
this is your body, like do this, do that, but
don't you know what I'm saying just to make people
feel safe, because I do feel like a lot of
people are in this industry, but I feel like they
could have went about it in different ways if somebody
would put them on game. Because even though we have.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
To be honest, there's so much of it out there.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
Though there's so like we have created so many resources
to help each other.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
It's out there.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
I promise, Like I mean to the new girls, reach
out to some of us, some of the OG's on Twitter,
like like we are happy to help you, Like we
might not be able to like do one on one
with you, but we can point you in the direction
like here you could buy this book, babe. You know,
follow these people on Twitter, like follow the follow these
people on Twitter and you can learn so much like

(54:36):
the information is already out there.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
You don't even have to pay to have a mentor.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
If some of these girls puts me the fuck off
because they're charging thousands of dollars for mentorship and they're
really they're not helping you. They're just they're just like, oh,
make sure you have a Chanel bag, make sure you
just like this, make sure you go to brunch and
take brunch photos.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
It's like I followed that.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
And it was so wrong for me. Do I love
a good brunch, yes, but that's.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Not my white girl told right, well, of course, but
there you go. I remember that white.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Girls told me that for sure.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
But it's just but it's but.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
I you know, I listen to metal music. It is
not a secret huge metal fan. And like I was
afraid to talk about that because I was like black
woman metal, Like nobody's gonna like me, and all my
clients are like so intrigued. I mean, I either have
the clients that listen to the same music that I do.

(55:40):
We go to concerts together, we go to festivals together.
Like when I tell people, like sometimes when I tell
my mom, like you know, oh, I got booked for
like this two or three day date, and this is
what we're going to do. She's still like, I can't
believe people pay you for that, And I'm like, why not.
She's like, it's just I just you know, it's not

(56:01):
what I think of when I think of an escort.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Yeah, but I feel like escort has evolved so much
that it has It really has overall has evolved so much,
so the good and the bad. Yeah that part. Yeah.
Now as far as personal growth with insights have you
gained through your experiences.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
Like my experiences like as a sex worker, Yeah, I
mean I think I said it before and I will
say it again.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
My fucking boundaries, Yeah, holy boundaries.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
Like I'm telling you it is like, you know, just
growing up as a black woman in the South, that
I grew up religious, like there was no such thing
as boundaries, Like it was everything that I used to
I was a pick me ass bitch, Like I grew
up a pick me because everything that I was taught

(56:54):
was like everything I needed to do was for like
some future man. So man that I don't even know exists,
he doesn't know me, I don't know him. I don't
even know if I'm gonna like this man, what if
I don't like him, But I'm shaping my whole entire
life for this future man. For him to just overstep
my boundaries. I'm not supposed to have boundaries when it

(57:14):
comes to a husband. You're not supposed to have boundaries, right,
What are we taught?

Speaker 4 (57:18):
And as a Christian?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
What are we taught?

Speaker 5 (57:21):
We have to please our man, We have to do
all of these things to make sure that our man
is happy. But no, they never tell men what they
need to do to make sure a woman is fulfilled
and happy. And one thing that I learned from this
business is that we both can be happy, right, We

(57:42):
can spost be happy. Why does that have to be
one person being happy? We both can be happy and
live a great life, right, And Like, that's one of
the things I learned was boundaries. Like, I mean, it's
hard to be dating out here because I don't. I
don't date because I'm like, oh I just can't.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
I just can't. Do you get Are you lonely?

Speaker 4 (58:05):
No, I'm too gussy to be lonely?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
But do you ever feel like that? Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
They're like times and like, Okay, if I'm like out
on the road by myself, I'm like on week two
and a half, three weeks on the road, am I
gonna lie like, Oh, I'm not lonely, of course, And
I'm not saying lonely isn't like a man, right, Just
like I'm by myself.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
I've been by myself.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
I have no friends with me, Like, I'm just keeping
in touch with people on Instagram and I talk to
you know, my family on the phone, but I have
nobody to like share certain moments with. Do I get lonely, yes,
But the feeling of loneliness is just so temporary for me.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yeah, that's a fact.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
It's a very temporary feeling because.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
It comes and goes for me.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
Yeah, Like because what do I, like, all I have
to do is go do something? Like Usually my points
of loneliness are like when I'm like super like meditated, right,
Like if I've gone on a hype and I'm just
like in the middle of nature, I'm by myself, and
I'm like, oh, and I'll be honest, most of the time,
I'm thinking about my mom anyway, and I'm just like

(59:15):
I'm like, oh, like my mom would love this view,
and then I'd be like, oh, I miss my I
miss my mom, right, yeah, fucking thinking about a man,
because everybody thinks like loneliness means man. No, and I'm like, no,
I can be lonely just like because I'm by myself. Yeah,
sometimes I go to festivals by myself because my friend

(59:36):
isn't available.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, and I'll feel lonely at.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
The festival and I'm fucking crawd of like fifty thousand people.
I'd be like, oh, it would be great if she
was here with me, right, And then the next song
comes on that I'm like, and I'm like, uh, they're
just I'm no longer lonely.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
You know, that's so funny you said that, because I
do a lot of shit by myself, and sometimes I
feel it like I sometimes I'd be like, damn, I
wish I asked my with me, or I wish my
homegirl was And then I was like fuck it, Like
I'm friendly. I just make some friends, and I make
a friend and then just enjoy the rest of my night.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
Yes, it's like as soon as you make friends, like
everything is okay. Yeah, right, I I meet people like
do I call these Do I call these people my friends?

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Of course not?

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
But like if I go to another show in a city.
Like I've made friends like or you know, acquaintances all
over the US. Right, So if I go, if I
go to a show, all I have to do is
just like reach out to people and be like, hey,
is anybody in the area, And then I'm like I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Meet up with people.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
Like it's a lot of people just like they just
they think that you need like companionship is in form
of like a romantic partner, right, and like you don't
always have to have a romantic partner to not be alone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, I agree, I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
I'm sad for people who feel that way though.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Yeah, well, like you said earlier, it's a journey.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
I think that we are, yes, And I hope that
people and you know, I tell people all the time
that when they just focus on themselves and get to
a point where even if they don't feel like they
need healing, right, I feel like we all have some
inner healing to dotely, and you just focus on ourselves
and we get to a point where we're so happy

(01:01:19):
with ourselves and we're content with being by ourselves. Like
I know people who cannot be alone. Yeah, they won't
go out and get a meal by themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
They won't go to the movies by themselves.

Speaker 7 (01:01:31):
I like myself, but they're like you travel by yourself,
like yeah, to Australia by yourself, and I'm like yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Oh my god, Like I can't even go to dinner
by myself and I'm like why.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
Like I love me, Yeah, I am. I am my
favorite company. I'm hilarious. I make myself laugh. Fact like
I'm hilarious, like I do stupid ship all the time,
you know, and like I'm hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Right right, No, same, I really enjoy my company, like
I can have a great ass time by myself, like
a concert by myself and I had a ball, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
Oh I was it. I don't listen to Beyonce, but
I hear her concerts are.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Little I've seen Beyonce like, and I know my listener
is like girl, like you don't have to brag, but
I've seen her almost like seven eight times. Girl. Yeah,
Like I am a Beehive member, like I love Beyonce.
But this concert was hands down the absolute best. And
I'm waiting for it to die down with the movie

(01:02:36):
so I can really just see it and just be
like engulfing it, like because you know when you see
things actually thinking of seeing the movie. You should, you should?
I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
I'm not a Beyonce fan, not because I hate Beyonce.
It's just not the solid music. I listened to it, Yeah,
but I've heard like it's such a good like movie.
Yeah how it features like her kids and stuff, and
I'm always like, oh, yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
And I think with you being like a creative, you
being an entrepreneur and stuff like, I really think that
you're gonna enjoy it because I think a lot of
people who are not Beyonce fans gained a level of
respect for her because of Renaissance.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
Okay, so this is the Renaissance tour. Hasn't she been
like on the Renaissance Tour for like five years? Girl?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
It feels like it's like she ain't letting up.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Listen, my sister is a Beyonce fan, so I have
to hear about this ship all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Hasn't been like fucking five years now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Now, I ain't gonna hold you Beyonce milk and is
renaissance ship. I'm not even mad at her. Beyonce not
playing no games with this ship, but it's fire. It
is like I would say, hands down, this is the
best one of her best tours. Top three for me? Wow,
maybe maybe number one. I can't even hold you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
See, I would check it out because I just like,
I like being in the atmosphere where, you know, just
the energy of like the crowds everything.

Speaker 7 (01:03:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
God, been a good time. But I am not paying
those prices for that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
Nope, No, it's it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Points for my favorite bands. It's worth it is, I
promise you. But last, but not least, how has your
identity or your self perception evolved during your time in
this industry?

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Oh that's a loaded question.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
That's why I say it for the last That is.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
A loaded question. Uh, my self perception?

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Yeah, I definitely seen you. You have grown from the last
time we spoke.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
But you'll let me tell you I am now a
yoga instructor. I oh wow, it so the last time
I talked to you, I got my two hundred hour.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
I'm going to be working on my five hundred hours.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yes, got shit.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
So like when I say I'm exhausted, this is why
because I'm like fucking studying yoga and ship and meditation
and everything. But you know, I think I just seen
myself different, Like I like I'm always evolving. I thought
I was one person, and I'm like, no, you're like

(01:05:16):
all of like I don't I mean, don't get me wrong,
Like I don't want anybody think that I'm saying, like
I have multiple personality disorder.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
I do not, but I have I have, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
I'm so multifaceted, right, there's so many layers of me,
Like every person I meet, they're just like, oh, I
would have never thought that of you. And I used
to like, well why not, right? I used to wonder, like, well,
what exactly do people think of me? And I'm like, well,
that's because I'm a different person depending on my environment.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
And I'm okay with that now. I used to like try.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
To put myself in a box, and now I'm like
I don't need to be in a box, Like I
can do everything I want, Like I don't need to
be one person. As long as I'm a good person,
that's all that matters. So I've been you know, just
really just just focusing on what makes me happy. Like

(01:06:15):
that's the only thing I care about, is what makes
me happy, right, Like that's it. If it doesn't make
me happy, I don't want to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
Like when I say, get somebody else to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
I really mean it, you have to get somebody else
to do it because I don't want to do it right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
And I think that's also comes with just age, Like
once you get to a certain age, like and you
get comfortable with yourself, it's nothing you can make me
do if I don't want to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
Yeah, And I used to think that. I used to
care a lot more about what people thought of me.

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
Yeah, and I don't now, Like when I say I don't,
I really mean I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Like somebody asked me. You know, your persona is so public.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
Like you been in a magazine, You've you know, you've
done these interviews on like vanilla podcasts.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
Right, they're like, you know, when you do retire.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
And your personal brand takes off, what happens if somebody
finds out that you were an escort? And I go, okay,
what if they do find out? And they're like, well,
aren't you afraid? I'm like afraid of what are they
what they're gonna judge me?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
I don't give a fuck, And like.

Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
Because I did what was best for me, I did
what was best for my survival, my mental my mental health,
like my mental health has never been better than when
I than me being in this industry, which a lot
of people feel would make my mental health worse. And
I'm like no, because I really like this has allowed

(01:07:54):
me the time, the freedom and financial freedom to really
like just know who I am, what I want in
my life, and what I don't want in my life.
That's the most important thing, is like I can really
tell you I know myself.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Yeah, nobody can tell me who I am. Facts, facts. Well,
I'm so proud of you, sus I'm so happy that
we reconnected. I feel like this was a great conversation.
Like I told you off the air, I feel like
the first conversation we dive more into like you being
in the industry and you're giving your opinions on things.

(01:08:29):
But I feel like this conversation we definitely dive more
into you. So I appreciate you, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
I think that, you know, the first time we interviewed,
I was halfway through yeah, you know, my time, and
so I felt like things are just getting good. So yeah,
but now like starting to slow down and uh yeah,
I'm like working on phasing out of the industry.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
So I think that's.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
Why I think a lot of people are starting to
see more of me. Yeah, as I'm starting to transition out.
It's not going to be like in the next couple
months people calm down, but when I But I am
working toward that way just because like I'm ready for
something new, I'm ready to read, I'm ready to reinvent

(01:09:15):
myself again.

Speaker 7 (01:09:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah, and the bitch still is good.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
Okay, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
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