October 14, 2025 • 51 mins
Join Eboné as she sits down with Tawney Lewis, a paranormal investigator who opens up about her first encounters with spirits and the journey of discovering her intuitive gifts—abilities she had suppressed for over 20 years. Together, they explore the intersection of horror, trauma, and spiritual truth, dive into how psychic gifts manifest, and challenge common misconceptions about the paranormal in media and the Black community. Packed with chilling stories, personal insights, and thought-provoking conversation, this episode delves into seeing auras, connecting with spirits, and navigating a world that often doubts the unseen.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hey, professional homegirls, it's shagara Ebine here and I hope
all is cute. We are back with another episode from
our spooky series, and in part one of this week's episode,
I sit down with Tawny Lewis, a seasoned paranormal investigator
who has made it her life's work to uncover the
truth behind what most people fear to face the unseen,
(00:50):
from hunted locations to spiritual encounters. Tawny takes us deep
into her world, sharing what drew her to the paranormal,
how she separates myth from reality, and even the racism
she faceball working in this field. So get ready, because
I am a paranormal investigator.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Starts now.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
All right, to my guests, thank you so much for
being on the show. How you doing, how you feeling?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm doing good, and thank you. I'm like humble for
the opportunity, so thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Of course, listen, we was key kinging literally like five
seconds ago, because I was like, who do people tell
you look like? And she said even laurd Hill when
she was younger, or Oprah, And I'm like, yo, if
I would like Oprah, y'all be sick of me. I'd
be everywhere on Oprah's done.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Okay, I agree.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Now we have to do this really quick because I
don't get a chance to talk about scary movies because
none of my friends and joy scary movies. But I
recently was doing some research on you, and I discovered
that your favorite scary movie is Halloween, and so is mine.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I've seen all the Halloween movies. I'm a big fan
of the eighties movies.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Like slasher movies.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, I'm like, I like the eighties. I like Freddy
Couger and Halloween and.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yes, but I feel like I'm gonna make a quick
sou werenna seg go and see your story. But I
just feel like horror does not get is get is
what's the word accolades that it deserves because I feel
like horror has the best character development because each villain
has a really good backstory.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yep, I strongly agree. And a good example of that
is that new movie Smile Too, which I didn't see
part one, but I don't really care for too well, No,
my friend, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Really care for Smile Too.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well. Here's the thing. I thought that actress was phenomenal. Yeah,
I think her name is Naomi. It's amazing actress, and
I was thinking, I was like, they don't give horror
movies enough attention because this girl acted her ass off,
and they just it just kind of glossed over like
another horror movie. And so, yeah, I think it should
get more attention.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I think so too. But why do you think horror
is overlooked though?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I think people just don't take it seriously. There's a
lot of people that they don't want to see that gory, bloody,
dark storyline. They're oh, no, no, no, that's not my thing. No, no, no,
I think it's a lot of reasons, and so there's
just these you see, I think there's just a core
group that's yeah, horror movies, and so to me, that's
(03:20):
why it gets glossed over a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Do you feel like your love for horror influence the
way you do your paranormal investigation and also being intitive medium.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
No, it's it's interesting because I feel like I keep
it separate because a lot of people are like, oh,
you like horror movies, yes, do you like the Conjuring?
I'm like, I've never seen the Conjuring? Like no, They're like,
do you like paranormal activity. I'm like, I've never seen
paranormal activity. They actually really connect to the supernatural. Paranormal
I haven't really seen. I've just seen the little scary
(03:52):
horror slasher films. So it's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
See, I'm not gonna lie. I don't really care for
scary movies that incorporate religion, like lead God out of
this understand. Yeah, that'd be too much for me. Like,
I don't like stuff like that. And you got the Nuns.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
See that movie with Glenn Close?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Which one is that one?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It just came out, the recent one? It's recent. It
came out I want to say, earlier this year and
it had Glenn Close in it and it's a true story.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh the Deliverance, that one that was on Netflix. Yes,
that was a little too much for me.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
It was a lot to see. I normally nothing bothers me,
and I was just like la, la la. And I
was like, I don't know, uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, it was too I'm like, come on now, like
we lead the guy, lead the Bible, leave all the
good stuff, the Holy Father Trinity like.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Im Yeah, And I rarely feel uncomfortable for movies like that.
I was like, I don't want to see this ever. Again,
it's weird story. The true story too.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, it is. You know what's so funny. I was
actually looking for the lady because it's actually a black family,
and I feel like they just like disappeared.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I don't blame them, just from the backstory that this
is not something that's typical in the black community. It
is something that I do believe and that you know
that happened to them, and they don't want anything to
do with it. And I mean, I know Zach Began's
from Ghost Adventures interviewed them. I don't know how he
pulled that interview off. I did read his book, and
I think he had mentioned it was it was hard
trying to get them to like come and talk with
(05:16):
him and be interviewed.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Image.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, and so I could see why they they would
have disappeared and you.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Can't find me, Yeah, because they have no digital footprint
at all.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I don't want anything to do with it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And then some man he was he bought the house
and he was living in there and then he went
blind and he got on fire. I'm like, why would
you want to live in there?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh? That part I didn't know about. Yeah, it's yeah,
that place. And then just a side note. A few
weeks ago, I went to Las Vegas and zach begans
Haunted Museum. He has the stairs from the basement and nothing.
It just at the very end of the tour, and
he did they give you the option if you want
to stay in the room and look at it or leave.
And I stayed in the room. But I was just like,
(05:57):
this is creepy. I was. I was okay, but yeah,
an he when everyone wants to come close to that
story and see he has those stairs.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So yo, you a different type niggaive by the stairs.
You by the stairs, like, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, yep, he bought the stairs. Did you feel anything
not in that room? But oh, man, I gotta tell you,
if you ever do go to Vegas, I would suggest
you go to that museum because you can choose what
rooms you want to go in. So you're just like, yeah, no,
that's not happening. My sister she didn't want to go
in the room with this doll. They have a doll
that they said don't look her in the eyes. Who
(06:33):
wants to go in? She was like, I'm not dealing
with that. She's stayed in the hallway. I was like,
I'll go. But again it was because I'm I think
as a spiritualist, and as we go through the interview,
I'm very grounded and I'm very in control to where
I'm not someone that's like I see spirit everywhere. It's
not like that I live, you know, I'm very controlled.
And so I was like, cool, I want air, but
(06:55):
you know, and to kind of feel that energy in
that room with that doll a lot of energy. He
also has Jack Kavorkian's van. What's that? Who's that? Ooh?
Please google that when you when you're done. It's a
it's a man from I want to say thirty years ago.
He used to do assistant suicides. But these are people
that wanted to they wanted to die, and so but
(07:15):
he was kind of condemned in the media. And it's
funny because I remember being little around the time and
hearing about it. But he was condemned in the media,
and they have the van that he used to do
the suicides. In that room, I was like, no, Like
I felt really lightheaded, and I was like and we
were in there for like five minutes. I was like,
I gotta get out of here. But yeah, there's a
few things in that museum which made me uncomfortable. But
(07:37):
it's an interesting museum. That's why I tell people. I'm like,
it's it's spooky, but he does have a lot of
cool things in there, especially if you like the paranormal.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
See that's the thing. I love watching scary shit. But
I can't experience Like I couldn't do that museum even
if I wanted to. I'm like, nah, this is too much.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
My sister, yeah, she did it, and then towards the
end she was trying to leave. She was like, I
gotta get out of here. I was like, wait, just way,
it's almost over. She's like it's too much, and she
was like, I'm glad that gives me the option if
I can go in certain Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Could you imagine if you have to go in to exit?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh yeah, Like nope, nope, no, but no, I hear you.
Some people are just like no, way, too much. And
it is a lot of energy in that space because
of all the stuff he has.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And I feel energy. So if I feel something crazy,
I would run at that damn house. Like that's like,
we're not saying this.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yep, You're like I'm out by.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I'm out, So do you believe that everyone has intuitive
or psychic gifts to some degree?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I think that everyone is. I believe that everyone's sensitive. However,
some are more open than others. So for example, like
I have a friend who is She's like, I'm not
a psychic, I'm not a medium. However, she can pick
up things, and I'm like, okay, you're a good example
to where she's sensitive. She identifies that. She's like, yeah,
I can kind of sense if I'm uncomfortable, you know,
(08:55):
And she's like, I could pick up on things, but
it's not something that she wants to do professionally. So yeah,
I believe that people are sensitive. But then there are
some people that just completely closed off to it and
they just aren't aware at all. But again, it's just
my opinion.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I feel like everybody is so spiritually woke. So do
you feel like everybody's making up to their spiritual gifts
or I do.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I think, especially within the last i'm gonna say ten
or so years, I've seen it happen a lot more
where and I'm actually in that boat because I wasn't
doing this like six or seven years ago at all.
I've always been a paranormal investigator. I've been very interested
in the paranormal. I've been doing that for fifteen years.
But the intuitive aspect came out of nowhere where I
(09:37):
was just minding my business, enjoying life in New Orleans,
and I was getting information in one room and I
was like, why it was little things. I was like,
it was doing an investigation and they were saying that
the room we were in. They were like, it's hunted
by a nun and she died and just a big
elaborate story, right, And I'm sitting there and I was like,
(09:57):
I feel like there's a lady. I feel like she
has brown hair. Like it was just coming to me,
and I was like a download, yeah, And I was like,
she's twenty five and she was a nurse. She killed herself,
Like it was just and I was like, where's this
coming around? I never forgot that because that was the
first moment where I was getting that downloaded information. And
then later another investigator told the group like, oh my god,
(10:17):
we found out about a nurse who died here and
she was twenty six, and I remember it was one
year off from what I picked. I was like, hmm,
he's like and then she committed to it and it
was connecting. And that was the moment where I said, Okay,
is there so many deeper here? Like you know and
so yeah to me where she just said, like it's
this spiritual awakening where it's not just myself, it's a
lot of people. But it does feel like it's more
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in recent years that this is all happening.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
What does it feel like when you receive a download?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So there's different ways that people get information, so we
call it the Claires. So the Claire so Claire sentient
is when they can someone can feel a certain way
where they're like they go into a place they're like,
oh I feel sick, I don't know about this space,
feel like really relaxed. So that's Claire sentient. Then there's
Claire audience. If I was Claire Audien, I would check
(11:07):
into a mental hospital, but right it, I was like
I wouldn't hear anything. So that's when you hear stuff.
Then there's Claire cognizant, where it just comes to you
you just so like one time I was talking to
one girl and I said, are you from New York?
And she's like, but you how do you know that?
I was like I don't know it just it just
came to me. So some people are that. And then
(11:29):
there's clairevoyant, which is what I am. So clairevoyant is
like I see it. It plays out for me like
a movie in my head. So if I told you
imagine a waterfall, that's how it looks to me. Where
some people are like, wait, do you actually see somebody?
I'm like no, I if I actually physically saw somebody,
I again checked myself into a mental hospital. I don't
(11:49):
see things. I don't hear things. It's just all intuitive.
And so it plays out for a movie like me
and for me, so like when I was in New Orleans,
the movie in my head was of female or brown hair. Yeah,
and it tells a story. And that's kind of how
I teach. When I teach intuition classes, it's like, okay,
which one is your gift? Which one? Like how are
(12:10):
you getting this information? Because everyone's different. So I just
heard the word this and that or I felt this,
and I'm like that's that's that's good. Let's develop on that.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So yeah, you know, while you was talking, I was thinking, like, yo,
it's kind of cool because it in a sense, it
sounds like a memory.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, that's how it feels. That's literally kind of how
I see it. And so someone's like, do you think
I'm gonna get fired? And then I'll kind of just
take a second and then play to play out for me,
and I'm like, and I'll see people and I'm like,
who's so and so. So that's and it's I like
that it plays out that way because again, there's some
people that get they hear and then they feel feel
(12:47):
I can do the clar sentient to Usually when I
do investigations, I don't like it too much because I'm
not one to be manipulated to where I'm walking into
a haunted place. I'm like, oh, I feel sick, Like
I hate that. Like no, so I'm like, yeah, yeah,
I turned myself off too. I'm like nope, but yeah,
it's it's kind of cool. And that's actually why I
(13:08):
like teaching, because I like people to identify how are
they receiving that information?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Because yeah, so what inspired this shift? Because if I'm
not mistaken twenty years ago, you usuppress your gifts and
like you said, two or three years ago, you just
put yourself back out there.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, it started when I was little. So I grew
up in a Crenshaw district in Los Angeles from the
hood too, Oh I'm from yeah, yeah, I grew up
on Western Vernon Crenshaw, like that is where I lived.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And boos and cribs and spirits shop.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Oh yes, oh yes. I just a side note, like
I remember the riots, Like I remember my sister walk
with me and my brother was really little, and one
of the stores was on fire, like around the corner
from our I lived in the yeah and so yeah,
and just being there. I remember one night I woke
up and I saw a blonde hair, blue eye girl
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standing over my sister and dressed in period clothing like not.
And I was like, that's there would not be a
blonde hair girl in the Limbert Park area. What's happening?
And I remember being like, let me just make sure
I'm not losing. And I covered my eyes and I
looked at it and she was still there. What do
you think I look? She was, I was long, she
was just like from memory, she was just standing over her.
(14:23):
I don't know, like I'm gonna be honest, because I
was like eleven or twelve, and she I looked the
third time and she was still there, and that's why
I said this day, I believe what I saw because
she was still there. But then I think I was
like moving and she started to fade away. And so
that's actually the only time that I could physically see
in my life. I've never seen anything else. It's always
been intuitive. But that was when I was like, yeah,
(14:46):
not cool, don't like it. This is uncomfortable. Didn't tell
my mom. I told my sister years ago, years later,
and she was like, why didn't you tell me? I
was like, you think you would, you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Have a crazy girl.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, there's a white girl in the house. Like what
do you have believed?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Right? Yeah? And then I saw something else a few
years later, like in the bathroom. I saw like it
was like something floating and white. And that's when I
was like, you know what, No, no, man, I'm uncomfortable.
I don't like this, and yeah, went away. I was
praying about it. Went away for twenty plus years, and
then I was I found myself very interested in the paranormal,
(15:23):
and this could be anything. I was interested in. Aliens, UFOs,
cryptis are like bigfoots, we call chipocabras, things like that.
I was interested, but I was terrified of it. And
so whenever people ask about like my backstory, I always say,
my friends will laugh at me because I'm actually terrified
of the paranormal. I'm scared of it's a it's a fear.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Of mine, which was so crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
But that's why I decided to learn everything I could,
because I was like, you know what, people are scared
of what they don't know? Ye hear what they have? Yeah,
And I was like, let me just learn what I can.
And I studied on it, red on it. I joined
the paranorm Normal Team. I learned every even how to
do the ghost hunting tools. I did it for a
(16:07):
different reason, like a lot of people are just like
I like scary stuff. I like history, and I like
learning about people from the past and also just telling
their stories and bringing it to life. That's why I
do the paranormal. As an investigator. I don't do dark
I don't do demons. I don't do none of that.
Absolutely not. If someone's like, there's a demon in my house,
I'm like, Okay, good luck. So that's kind of like
(16:31):
my backstory. So it's the paranormal research. Investigating started about
fifteen years ago, whereas the intuitive aspect the year was
that six seven years ago. And then I just said,
you know what, if you're gonna do this, you better
be damn good because there's nobody else that really looks
like you in the spiritual field. Every class, Yeah, take
(16:52):
every class you can, and I did. I worked with
some of the best people in the world. And my
mentor is Lisa Williams, who has she had her own
TV show years ago and she's incredible, and I worked
with her personally and I became one of her master teachers.
I'm one of her No, I am her only African
American master teacher in the world. She only has like
fifty of them that sertifight with her directly, and yeah,
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that's kind of like my claim to fame is just
being able to work with her and learning everything I
can from her. And to be honest, she's one of
the reasons why Lily Dale even saw me, because she
was like, here's Tonny, she's amazing as she's black. Here
you go and it's like, oh and so they and
they see that and they always ask me back every year,
which is a big deal. You know.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It's so crazy because it's just dawn on me because
during Spooky Series I talked to like either psychics or
paranormal investigators or you know, people that work in the industry,
especially black people. But one of the things that they
always say, or the common thread between all of our
stories is one minute, you just you just see something.
It just appears. So do you think that spirits are
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on the people who aren't actively looking for them, but
the spirit knows that person has a gift.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
That's a good question, actually right, Yes, yes and no.
I'm gonna say mostly yes because there are people trying
to think of I want to give you an example.
There aren't. Okay, it's an example. I'd bring up my
sister again. She's a psychic, but she's a denying psychic.
She's like, I don't see, I don't hear, leave me alone.
I don't believe in any of this. However, she's very gifted,
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and whenever we go somewhere it could be anything the hotel,
a nursing home, she's like, there's somebody behind me, and
she's like yes, She's like I know, and I'm like,
of course there's someone behind you because they know that
you're gifted. She's like, no, no, and so I so yes,
say answer your question is like she is somebody that
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she just has that energy or that light to where
there may be spirits that are like I think she
can see me or feel me, feel me, and then
they kind of like are in her space where luckily
she's able to completely she's she doesn't want to be
aware to eventually just go away. But if she was aware,
oh my god, she'd probably be surrounded. And so I
say yes, so yes, I believe that there are some
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people where that does happen, but then there are some
people where it doesn't. Like me, I'm very closed off
when I'm not doing this work because of training, I've
learned to literally it sounds stupid, but turn to switch on. Okay,
I'm gonna do my readings or intuitive turn it off?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
How do you do that? Like you just like, what's
the process, Like.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It's you know what. I've had different teachers that teach
different ways, where there was one teacher that literally said,
imagine a light switch, turn it on, turn it off.
It sounds simple, but I was like, hm, I'm gonna
try that. There's another teacher that said, think of it
like closing a window, opening a window. And so with
my years of development, I would say, just have your
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own method for me. I literally just it's it's hard
to explained. My energy is just turned off. I'm not
thinking of a light switch, I'm not thinking of a window.
I'm just me. I'm just doing my life. I'm working,
I'm doing my job. If I'm doing an investigation, I'm
just like, Okay, Intuitively, I'm hoping, I'm ready. Okay, let's
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see what's here, Let's see what's going on. And it
sounds a little complicated to explain, but it's worked for me.
Whereas you know, you see people that are like something's
following me, or I'm uncomfortable. That's never never happened to me.
I'm fine. I don't have anything weird happen to me.
I don't have things talking to me. It doesn't work
(20:31):
like that. And so, but yeah, hard to explain, but
it is with development. If someone's listening, that's you know,
learning more about their own development. It takes time to
get to that point to where you're like controlled.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, so are there any other gifts or abilities that
you have that you don't use? Because I know one
of the things that you said in one of your
other interviews that you don't like doing past readings or
past life readings.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, A few people told me that I'm pretty good
at it. And it sounds crazy because you could be like,
are you just making stuff up? You know? Whereas what
I did was when I would practice it, I would
connect it. I would somehow connect it to something in
their current life, to where the sitter was like impressive, Okay,
you wouldn't know that. How would you know that? You know?
(21:14):
We're like a good example is I read someone years
ago and I was connected to her legs or something.
I was like, I feel like you were I forgot
what I told her A man in a village and
you had to use canes and you couldn't walk it all.
I think your legs are And she's like, you can
see her eyes now, And I said, what's going on?
She says, when I was a child, I couldn't walk,
(21:35):
and I was like interesting. So it's little things like that,
and so technically I can. I believe I can do
past life readings. However, it's not like a specialty where
I talk about it. To be honest with you, I
find joy after developing and learning everything I could about paranormal.
I find joy in doing investigations and then doing research,
(21:57):
So you go on my pages. I don't have ti
cycond readings into readings. Yeah, I don't do it. And
I knew that when I was developing. My friends are like,
wait a minute, you're doing all this development. You're not
going to be a full time psyche. I was like,
it's not. It's cool, but it doesn't give me joy.
And if a friend emails me or text me and
the life I need a reading. I just met a guy,
(22:18):
I will gladly do it. I will never say no,
it's just I don't know if I want to be
that full time person. That's like that is my job
and so. But no, it gives me. I really enjoy
the paranormal aspect of this.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, and do you still see orrs around people?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I can, but it's against like not a specialty. When
I was a child, Oh my gosh, I sometimes want
to press for wine and go back to that because
I didn't know what was going on. A vivid like
vividly and we my brother just thought it was a game.
I'd been like, oh, stand against the wall, you're green,
and it would just be colors emitting around him or
(22:54):
to the you're purple, and I was like, oh, I
was like, I was seeing ours a little kid, and
he said, he said, you're younger than me. He was too,
and he was like, I wonder if that means I'm psychic.
I said, you might be, but see he's in another
path in life. But it was just like a common
He's like, I wonder if I'm psyche because I could
see him too, but I think he couldn't see them
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as strong as I could. And so I tell people
that auras are just energy. It's all about energy and
reading people. And everyone has their own interpretation of what
the aura color is. And so let's say you saw
blue around me. For me, blue means communication, it means somehow,
cause mean like father connection, whereas for you, blue can
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mean something else like school or someone with an attitude
or whatever. You know. So when I teach about auras,
it's like, what did these colors mean to you? And so, yeah,
I that was cool thinking about the ras when I
was younger.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
And not me asking you it's my color. Oh oh
you can see him.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
It's intuitive. It's the claiicolance. You have a few. Actually,
the first the first one that popped up for you
was purple. So for purple, that means for me, it's
like queen energy, It's all okay, it's okay, queen energy,
intuition royalty meaning not like you are like the Queen
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of England, but you could be to be treated. You
want to be treated like the queen that you are. Also,
you not high maintenance, but you expect I am.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I am.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh, you know what, I probably worried it wrong. I
wanted to say, not a nasty type of high maintenance,
like you know what you deserve, you know, like I
know what I need. And let's say you're dating someone
you're very much like he's like, I'm trying to think
of an example, like you're he's like, I'm gonna get
you McDonald's. You're like that, We're not No, Yeah, I
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feel like you're you're you hold yourself in high regard.
There we go. But then I also saw red and
read for me is someone who doesn't play around, and
so someone's poking you or bothering you. Come on people professional,
You're very professional. But if someone pokes, pokes, pokes, I
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feel like there's a side of you that doesn't come
out very often where they're like, yeah, you're just like okay,
and then you revert back to the professional side. So yeah,
that's what I and yellow, which is for me, yellow
is education. Someone is very very smart. That could have
(25:38):
been a teacher. I don't know if you are a teacher,
but you could. You could be. You're very good at
explaining things and people will listen to you. But yeah,
those are the three colors I see. That's so cool,
damn much.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I can see what you see.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's all it's for like, in my head, I can
It's like I'm looking at you now and then on
top of your head, I just see like and it's
literally energy, just energy kind of floating. And then I
saw the purple and then I saw the red like that,
it just floats. It's pretty cool. Okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Now do you think that children are more spiritually open?
And if so, why do you think most people lose
that connection as they get older, because I always feel
like it starts off when a person as a child.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yep, children are absolutely more spiritually connected. They can see spirit,
they can hear spirit. There's some videos on TikTok that
have to send you from people where you see a
kid clearly talking to somebody that's not there, and the
parents like what is going on? And so, yes, they
can see, they can hear, they can feel. It's interesting
because I think back to when I was a toddler.
(26:40):
Maybe I did not that I don't know, and my
mom will never tell me. She doesn't believe in any
of this. But yes, I believe kids are susceptible, and
then as they get older they tend to lose it.
It's just because they are now exposed to the world
and people worping them with crab and bullshit and tea. Yeah,
you really start to forget about that innocent, precious time
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where they were younger and more connected to God and
so that. Yeah, I definitely think kids are very As
a matter of fact, I shouldn't say this, but it's okay.
For my day job. They know that I do paranormal
and they tell one of the employees had said, hey, Tani,
there's there's kids that have said because it's camps, the
kids that have said that they think they see a
(27:21):
ghost in the bathroom. And I was like, really, like, yeah,
they said that, And I remember thinking to myself and
it didn't go further than that, but I was thinking, like, yeah,
I'm sure they did. So these are like kids. I'm
sure they're like, oh, there's someone in here, and they're
probably talking to him. So yes, definitely kids are susceptible.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I just think it's so interesting how like, like we
think we're the only beings in the world, and we
are surrounded by so many other things that we just
possibly just can't.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
See at all. Surrounded the galaxies are just so deep,
and I see videos about the one hundred light years
away we found a planet with all water? Could there
be life? Like, of course there's life, but yes, I agree.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
So how did your mom, with her being a non believer,
how did that impact you on your journey?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It was fine. She she goes back and forth where
like I see her watching shows with psycho growing up
shows the psychic medium things, or I'll see her like
there's an interest, but then she's like, oh, you know.
Her attitude was I need to see it to believe it.
That was always her attitude. And then when I first
started doing learning more about paranor paranormal and developing my
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spiritual gifts, I remember sitting down and being like, so, yeah,
apparently a teacher said that I'm a medium, and she
just kind of looked at me, and I was like,
I was like, so, I just wanted you to be
aware because I think I'm gonna like dive and learn,
dive in and learn more about it. And I really
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appreciate it because she says, do you like doing it?
Like the reading stuff, and I said I do. Actually
she said okay, and that it never that was it.
And I appreciate that cause she wasn't like what the hell, like,
are you happy? That's all that matters? Are you do
you like, yeah, like okay, then then that's fine. And
then as I would do the development, she never really
(29:16):
stopped me or commented or nothing that It was just like, oh,
you're in the class, Oh okay, whatever, you know, our
our showmate comments. Like I showed her I was on
I was on Ghost Adventures, which is one of the
biggest deals in my life. If you haven't seen it,
please watch it. I was Ghost Adventures and I showed
her and she was just kind of like, all of
you guys are idiots, like just being a smarter, Yeah,
(29:39):
you're dumb. All of you are crazy if you believe
in all this stuff. But she watched it. You know,
she watched me. She watched the whole thing and was
just like whatever, and then that was really it. So
it's like, is she supportive in her own way?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, I'm about to say she's proud, but she just
shows in a different way, in a.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Different way, which is totally fine. I'm just happy that
she's not like, get out, this is evil, you know
where it's my sister who is a the nying psychic.
She she believes in this. She just feels like there's
some aspects to it that could be evil. And yeah,
I agree, there's people that do. Like I said, I
told you some places that have like demonic activity. I
don't deal with that stuff. Yeah, and so she's just
(30:16):
kind of like, well, just keep that away from me.
I was like, don't worry. I don't. I don't do
things like that.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So, yeah, you know what's so crazy. I was looking
for it because you know, my show I interview black people,
and so I really want to talk to a demonologist.
But I'm like, do I really want to talk to
somebody that deals with that?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I know? And I you know, I try to respect
everyone that's in this field because they all have their
own strengths you know.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
But yeah, yeah, because I'm just like, what would make
you want to chase demons?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah? That it makes me uncomfortable. And I always tell
the students when I teach them, I'm like, listen, I'm like,
as an investigator, I know something that I'm probably going
to come across at some point. I get that. I know.
It's like I'm because I'm doing this, you know, work,
but I don't go looking for it. I don't trying
to communicate with it or like why would I do that?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
And see, And that's why I'm just like, that's the
interesting part, because like why would you want to do that?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yes, And I'm like, I just want to like tell
stories and talk to a lady from the eighteen hundreds.
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Dark right now? Looking back, did you ever feel like
you're INTUITU side ever show up in your everyday life
and you just.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah. When I was a young manager, I worked for
this fast food restaurant chain for a long time, and
I used to do interviews all the time, and I
remember I would this is so random. I would be like,
oh hi, I'm tiny. I would shake their hands during
the interviews, and when I would shake their hand, I
would get a download of information about them, and I
was always right. So like there was one girl years ago,
fifteen years ago, I shook her hand and something said
(31:51):
always late, doesn't hold herself accountable, don't trust her. Yeah,
And I was just like, interview was awesome, she was dumb.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
The ones Okay, she was great.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
She As a matter of fact, I think she was
black ways of years ago, and I remember being like,
she's I want to hire you know everything I came
it was horrible, and I anyway, that kept happening. That
kept happening, and it happened countless times. I'm gonna say
more than fifteen twenty times just over the years I
worked there, hiring people, and I was like, is it
just me? Or am I giving in to the So
(32:23):
then at the time I would say, as a joke,
cause I was young, I'd be like, I have a
hidden trick. I could shake your hand and know things
about you. But at the time, being young, I didn't realize,
oh girl, you're intuitive, like hello, right, so like really yeah,
shake your hand or no. So I was just picking
up on their energy and so that so yes, going
being younger and not being at the time, I wasn't
(32:44):
tapped in the paranormal, I wasn't tapped in the spirituality.
I was just being me. I was getting information about people.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But is it hard for you to differentiate between your
thoughts and what you receive intuitively?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'm gonna say I'm gonna say no. But it's only
because of that development. And the question you're asking is
so perfect because there's so many people that are new
to the spiritual side of themselves, right and they're like
they don't know, and it's like it took years. I
think I started developing this in like late twenty eighteen,
(33:19):
and that I took it seriously. I was like, am
I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna really do it, and
I'm gonna take it seriously, and I'm gonna make sure
that I understand every aspect of this. And so yeah,
I feel that I'm able to differentiate, like, Okay, this
is me, Okay, wait, what you know? This is something different.
I can tell if when I'm an investigation, if I'm
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actually feeling or seeing someone intuitively, or if I'm making
the double I can usually tell the difference. Another one
that's really hard for people. I get asked a lot
is can you tell between a loved one and a ghost?
That's hard to explain, but yes, you know, it's a
good question. It's hard. Yeah. Years ago, my friend he
said that he felt like his house was haunted. And
(34:02):
I went and I was like, wait a minute, whose
house is this? And he said, oh, it's my aunts.
I said, she passed. Yes, so it wasn't a ghost,
it was her. She was just visiting. She was visiting.
I was like, she will see make sure her house
is clean up. But you know, so that was a
good I was telling that example when teaching because they're like,
I can't tell. It's just I felt love with him
(34:24):
because he was there. I felt love, I felt normalcy.
I could see how she was dressed, and I was
just like, oh, this is a present day woman that
just wanted to come, Whereas if you were in a location,
I'm like, that person's dressed from like the nineteen sixties.
You know, like what is going on? Or it's a
different type of feel or different type of energy. Is
it something dark? Is it something happy? Is it something
(34:47):
you know? It's different ways. And so there's a lot
that goes into this development, and that's also just a
side conversation where there's so many psychic mediums that have
no idea what they're doing and they just did a
drop in and they're like, I'm a psychic, I'm charging
two hundred dollars an hour and they don't know what
the hell they are doing.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I don't see how people are still getting scammed.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
In five Yeah, so many, And that's why I'm like,
please learn. That's why I say develop a lot of them, like,
please develop, Please learn about this before you just jump
into this work, because it's it's not something to be
taken lightly, especially if you're doing it professionally full time,
because people will listen to every single word that you say,
anything you say about their career, their job or SORR,
(35:26):
their love life or family life. So just want to
make sure people are ethical when doing this work.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, now, because you got my wheels turning. So when
we have all these spirits that surrounded us, why do
you think that they're not either in heaven or hell.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
There's different reasons, And when I do investigations, it's like
the most typical reason is their attached to property. That
is their property, that is their item. It could be
a bed, it could be a necklace. It's just there.
They want to stay with the item are which is
kind of sad. Some of them are just waiting for
someone and they don't realize that that person they're waiting
for has crossed over. So it's a lot of different reasons.
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A good one, which is oh really interesting, actually is
in Las Vegas there's a insurance company that used to
belong to Red Fox. It was his house. He got
his like a because we all know how popular he was.
His biggest check he bought that property and that was
his damn property. And he made that very very clear.
He was very proud of it because I'm thinking he
(36:30):
came from nothing, from memory and the irs. I think
they took everything in like nineteen ninety or some we
give researched this, but they took everything, and at the
time he was just like, this is my stup, blah
blah blah blah blah. Anyway, he died and he was
haunting the hell out of that house. I think he
still does. I would love to know. They're very an
insurance compan owns it, so they're very much like yes,
(36:52):
staying why, Like they don't make people who interviews are investigations.
I'm like, and I investigated, please, but it is known
in the in the nineties, in the early two thousand
that the location was very, very haunted. But they say
it's him and he's not happy yet because they've had
psychics going there and they're like, he's upset because of
the renovations and that things were moved. And so that's
a good example where it just depends on the situation
(37:12):
with him. That is his house and he is not
one of money in there messing anything up. That's how
he sees it.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
But I want to do the spirit like makes the
agreement that they're not ready to move on, because I'm like,
how does that work? I mean, I don't want to
find out. God, no time soon.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
But it's different reasons, and you know, like another another
example is in Gettysburg exactly a year ago. I was
with my sister and we were doing an investigation and
we came across a soldier and she was she was
freaked out because I remember she kind of a skeptic, and
she asked on that spear box, she says, who's the president? Clear?
(37:47):
Is that you hear him say? President Lincoln? She was like,
I'm done I've got I've got where see with him,
I don't think he knew he was dead.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And that's another thing. Yeah, I had this this other
pair investigating and she's just like you, you actually follow
each other. Shout out to Melissa. But she Yeah, she
was saying, how a lot of times, a lot of
these people don't even know that they did.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, yeah, they a lot. So it just depends like
you have some that don't know, some that do know,
some that they just they don't want to leave a
lot of different things, and so like some psychics, they
are able to try to cross them over. I actually
don't do that. My mentor gets mad at me about that.
She wanted me to be able to if I go
into a location, there is somebody that's like, I'm waiting
(38:30):
for my father who passed fifty sixty years ago, to
get them to move over, move across on And I
don't really Yes, so I have a thought about it.
I just feel like I don't know if it's my place,
I don't know. If I don't know, that's just my feeling.
I'm just like, no, don't really do that. I feel
like if you questioned it for you, yeah, see, yeah,
(38:50):
I was just like, I'd rather just investigate and tell
the story. I don't feel like making them leave if
they don't want to leave. It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
So yeah, so how did you get into this field?
Because I know he said, you've been doing paranormal investigation
fifteen years ago, So like, what was that experience of
experience like, because I do feel like one of the
biggest misconceptions is there's not a lot of black people
in this I mean they it's still white dominated. Yeah,
but I feel like the brownies are here in there though.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah. Yeah, I just like I said earlier, it's just
it was intriguing to me, and you know, I was
like scared of UFOs, but I was like, I'm gonna
learn everything about it. And then I would do a
lot of ghost tours and the first team I got
I became a part of. I did so many of
his ghost tours and the owner he's like, why don't
you join my team? And I was like, oh really
He's like he's like yeah, he's like I have he
has a team of like eight people. He's like, I'll
(39:38):
teach you how to do everything. And I really appreciate
that because he said it to me like join the team,
and so I joined and I was able to do
investigations and use the learn how to use the equipment,
and so when I I kind of promote myself more
as an investigator than an intuitive medium. That's why you
don't really see that on the page, because I'm like, oh,
I've been doing investigations for years and so yeah, that's
(40:00):
really it. I You're right, there's there's not really many
African Americans in this field. What I've seen, unfortunately, is
there are content creators, influencers that are interested in you know,
they're like, this is so cool, this is interesting, but
I don't there's very few that have actually put in
(40:22):
the work.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
And know the history.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yet they know the history. They not even just the history.
They know how to investigate, they know how like the tools,
they know the safety aspect, they understand the ethics. They
are able to teach other people and hold actual investigations.
That's a rarity in this point. There is a rarity.
And someone can talk to you blue in the face
and claim that they know that they're that they're not.
(40:46):
Melissa is one. I remember I was like, oh, yeah, Melissa,
she definitely is. You know, I've been following her for years.
She knows exactly what she's talking about. She's highly well spoken.
She's experienced another one, Marie Jackson.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Ghostbuster, and love her. She's been on the show too.
They've both been on the show about two or three times.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, she knows her shit, Marie and she I always
always highlight her, Like if someone does a post and
they forget to mention her, I'm like, don't forget Marie.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
And that's what I love about y'all, Like y'all always
make sure that y'all look out for each other.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yes, I'm a huge advocate because there really isn't a
lot that really know what they're doing, and so I
always want to make that very clear because again, like
I'm on TikTok and this, and I'm just like, oh,
here's another one that doesn't know what's happening. Oh here's
another one that doesn't. But they don't want to put
in the work. And there's a lot of work. And
I've been blessed and humbled to have gotten a lot
(41:41):
of media opportunities within the last two to three years on.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
TV, and shit, it was and it was not easy.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
And I always tell people that I'm like, They're like,
I want to be a famous paranom person. I'm like, listen,
I'm not famous here. But what I had was hard,
thereating the hell out of me. They really want to
make sure this black knew what she was doing. There
was one, but I don't think I've ever said this before,
but there was one production company that was interested in me,
and they interviewed me for like two hours, and they
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were so intrigued because I think they wanted to create something.
And then they emailed my agent and they were like,
we love her, she's too green. I was they think
you too green?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
From Crenshaw.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
I was like, excuse me, and we need someone I've
never said this before. They said, we want someone more
like Tyler Henry. You know that the blonde boy from
the Head to.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Teeth, Oh, the one who'd be doing all the celebrity
readers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
We want someone more like him, someone that see with Tyler,
you know, we had such high ratings with him. We
need someone like him. We love Tony, she's too green.
And I was like, do you mean too black?
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
You talk to me for two hours? And so that
I just brought that up because it's just an example
of what you know, as an African American investigator of paranormal,
you know, like what I have to deal with it
and trying to break out more on a bigger platform.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
So you know what's so crazy because I just had
another thought about how, you know a lot of people
don't like horror, let alone black horror, but black horror
is black history. Because pretty much there was being racist
towards you.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, yeah, wow, absolutely yeah. And so the ones, and
you know, to be fair, the ones that I did get,
like I'm in a lot of Canadian shows, I do
believe that they did want to utilize me, not just
for my knowledge, but because I was different. And I
appreciate that because they're like, oh, this is different. This
is not a Caucasian male going on and known about demons.
(43:36):
This exactly black woman. You know, we want diversity. Holy crap,
she knows what she's talking about. And so I've gotten
a lot of projects in Canada. The Ghost Adventures was
more of that was a big deal because that's like
the number.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
One Yeah, that's number one show in paranormia.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, yeah, number one show. And that one was just
a like accident a friend of mine. They said they
were looking for a medium, and she suggested me and
they talked to me and they were like, wait a minute,
she knows her stuff too. Like I was telling him
about the Poltry guy's house and what I knew about
it and my experience, and I could tell they were
just like, oh okay, Like I could say, bud how
(44:10):
and inviting me on. And I didn't think I was
going to tour the house with Zach. I thought he
was just gonna talk to me, but no, he had
me come in the house with him and do an investigation.
I was like, oh, and my friend's been like telling everybody.
She's like Tonie's the first black medium on the show.
Tony's the first black medium on the show. Thank you.
But it's sad that it's been on for I don't
(44:31):
know eighteen years and I am the first black medium.
But it's a proud moment because it was It was
so cool to be able to like validate. And I
don't do a lot of mediumship stuff on TV. A
lot of my TV stuff is just like paranormal history.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, Yo, that's so crazy because I listened to them
at all your interviews and you definitely never said that before. Yeah,
that's what we pretty private.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, yeah, I am, but no, it felt good to
talk about that because you know, it is something where
I do hope that you you start, we start to
see more diversity in the field, you know, behind the
camera in front of the camera. But I really wanted
to be the right people. I really wanted to that
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really put in that work and that really know what
they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah, and I'm just also thinking about I couldn't couldn't
even imagine how you feel like it kind of feels
like you pressure to perform or prove that you know
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
That's how the interviews. That's kind of what I mean.
When I'm in I'm like interrogated. That's the way the
interviews come off. Everything I've gotten, it's like interrogation, interrogation,
but it's like pressure, pressure, like what do you know?
And so it makes me want to know, not one,
it's it's you know what, I don't even really need
to try hard because I'm lucky to where I am
a sort of fight spiritual teacher. You know, I am
(45:48):
a sort of fight into it a medium. I am
able to just be myself. Yeah, so you really did
all that I'm like, yeah, that's why the whole like
we love her, she's green. I was like, I literally
what how I just you know, and so it's I
I held on to that and people were like don't.
I was just like it was so offensive because you
(46:10):
could see how intrigued they were and everything that I
shared with them and everything that they learned in that
one meeting. Yet they want Tyler Henry Yes to tell
you about them.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
And I think also the media plays a part in
that too, because with the media, we don't see us
on TV like the like we just started seeing niggas
on TV when it comes to paranorial activity and stuff
like that. And I just think sometimes, like, you know,
thank God for Jordan Peeling all these other people. But
I'm just like, damn, like, do you feel like they
get anything right as of now, because I feel like
we Horror has been around for a long time and
(46:41):
we just now starting to become the main character. Yeah,
the final girl.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah. I think, like you know what, I love the
new what do you call it? The Okay? I love
get Out. Yeah. I wouldn't say it's like paranormal will
kind of supernat for you. I love get Out us
was okay, like us, it was it was, it was okay.
I liked the writing because it was different. The writing
(47:09):
was different. I was like, this is interesting. But it
was also really really creepy, which I'm sure that's what
he was going for. So I'm an idiot, but it
was really really great.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
It's low key true too, because there are people who
live on the ground.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
I've heard that, Yeah, that's what I've never liked research,
but I've heard that that. Yeah, but no that. And
then there was a comedy one that just came out,
The Blackened. Oh that was the Ear of the Blackening.
I didn't like the it was it was funny, but
I understand, like I remember leaving and I was like,
that was funny, but something was missing or I don't
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know what it was.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Something it didn't tie all together for me.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, yeah, so I totally get that. But no, I'm
and then I know they just created the movie Deliverance,
and so I think they're trying. They're they're trying. I
just feel like there needs to be more people that
actually want to see it happen. Was good, I've heard.
I didn't see that one.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
I heard it was Goodchise too.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I should probably watch that. But I feel like media
is trying to incorporate more African Americans. I see it
in horror. I'd like to see it in paranormal. This
is another thing I don't really talk about. There was
one major I can tell you off one one major
production company that was really interested in me. They were
really they wanted to do African American you know, paranormal,
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probably unscripted. It was very early, but they were so interested.
And then see it just kind of was like do
do do fell off? Oh we're focusing on something white?
You know. They never And I'm just like, you just
need people that really want to make this come to
fruition because they see the talent, they see the potential,
they see that thing. Times are changing. They're trying to
be bring more diversity, whether it be horror or paranormal.
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And I always tell my friend, I'm just like, I
just wish that there were people that were taking it
more seriously. That's all I want. Producers and these like
Discovery Channel or like, they need to take it more
seriously where people want to see something different. They no,
that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
And I think that when it comes to you Melissa
Maria I feel like y'all all look different, y'all have
different backgrounds, and I think that's the beauty of what
y'all do, because I feel like people need to see
themselves and certain things. Because I love scary movies so
much that I didn't even know that I could have
been a black film horror historian. Like my guest that
I interview, I can't think of her name, but I
definitely had. That was a really good conversation and very informative.
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So I'm just like, I wish that I would have
seen y'all when I was growing up, because who knows.
I'm looking for some ghosts too.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
That's another thing, you know, When I tell people, I'm like, listen,
I'm not trying to be famous. So what I what
I like is being able to inspire others that I
like the little things I've been able to do. Whether
I'm traveling, people are like, oh my god, like I've
never seen a black medium or a black whatever, and
I'm just like, on that that means a lot to me.
I'm actually very private. I'm usually very introverted, you know,
(49:55):
but when it comes to speaking or doing anything paranormal
or talking about this, I'm very passionate about it, and
so I'm like, not on any fame, I just would
like to inspire others and teach others about this field
to where there's certain aspects about it where they're not
absolutely terrified and they realize like, Okay, it's about learning
more about history or learning more about the UFOs or
(50:17):
whatever cryptis, you know, learning more about that to understanding it.
Because as of right now, the black community softening to it,
but they're not one hundred percent opening to it. Yeah,
and I feel like I hope that there's somebody that's
able to kind of like open that door whatever.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
That may be. Well, I think that black community is
also starting to be more receptive towards it is because
it's started to become more relatable. Yes, yeah, yeah, because
I think like niggas, they don't like all that that
slash and shit like or monsters and stuff, but I
think when it's something psychological, I think that's what grabs
their attention, like oh shit, like this really does this
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really can't happen because it happened to me in this
way metaphorically and stuff like that. So this concludes part
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Hey, professional homegirls, it's shagara Ebine here and I hope
all is cute. We are back with another episode from
our spooky series, and in part one of this week's episode,
I sit down with Tawny Lewis, a seasoned paranormal investigator
who has made it her life's work to uncover the
truth behind what most people fear to face the unseen,
(00:50):
from hunted locations to spiritual encounters. Tawny takes us deep
into her world, sharing what drew her to the paranormal,
how she separates myth from reality, and even the racism
she faceball working in this field. So get ready, because
I am a paranormal investigator.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Starts now.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
All right, to my guests, thank you so much for
being on the show. How you doing, how you feeling?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm doing good, and thank you. I'm like humble for
the opportunity, so thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Of course, listen, we was key kinging literally like five
seconds ago, because I was like, who do people tell
you look like? And she said even laurd Hill when
she was younger, or Oprah, And I'm like, yo, if
I would like Oprah, y'all be sick of me. I'd
be everywhere on Oprah's done.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Okay, I agree.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Now we have to do this really quick because I
don't get a chance to talk about scary movies because
none of my friends and joy scary movies. But I
recently was doing some research on you, and I discovered
that your favorite scary movie is Halloween, and so is mine.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I've seen all the Halloween movies. I'm a big fan
of the eighties movies.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Like slasher movies.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, I'm like, I like the eighties. I like Freddy
Couger and Halloween and.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yes, but I feel like I'm gonna make a quick
sou werenna seg go and see your story. But I
just feel like horror does not get is get is
what's the word accolades that it deserves because I feel
like horror has the best character development because each villain
has a really good backstory.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yep, I strongly agree. And a good example of that
is that new movie Smile Too, which I didn't see
part one, but I don't really care for too well, No,
my friend, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Really care for Smile Too.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well. Here's the thing. I thought that actress was phenomenal. Yeah,
I think her name is Naomi. It's amazing actress, and
I was thinking, I was like, they don't give horror
movies enough attention because this girl acted her ass off,
and they just it just kind of glossed over like
another horror movie. And so, yeah, I think it should
get more attention.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I think so too. But why do you think horror
is overlooked though?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I think people just don't take it seriously. There's a
lot of people that they don't want to see that gory, bloody,
dark storyline. They're oh, no, no, no, that's not my thing. No, no, no,
I think it's a lot of reasons, and so there's
just these you see, I think there's just a core
group that's yeah, horror movies, and so to me, that's
(03:20):
why it gets glossed over a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Do you feel like your love for horror influence the
way you do your paranormal investigation and also being intitive medium.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
No, it's it's interesting because I feel like I keep
it separate because a lot of people are like, oh,
you like horror movies, yes, do you like the Conjuring?
I'm like, I've never seen the Conjuring? Like no, They're like,
do you like paranormal activity. I'm like, I've never seen
paranormal activity. They actually really connect to the supernatural. Paranormal
I haven't really seen. I've just seen the little scary
(03:52):
horror slasher films. So it's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
See, I'm not gonna lie. I don't really care for
scary movies that incorporate religion, like lead God out of
this understand. Yeah, that'd be too much for me. Like,
I don't like stuff like that. And you got the Nuns.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
See that movie with Glenn Close?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Which one is that one?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It just came out, the recent one? It's recent. It
came out I want to say, earlier this year and
it had Glenn Close in it and it's a true story.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh the Deliverance, that one that was on Netflix. Yes,
that was a little too much for me.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
It was a lot to see. I normally nothing bothers me,
and I was just like la, la la. And I
was like, I don't know, uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, it was too I'm like, come on now, like
we lead the guy, lead the Bible, leave all the
good stuff, the Holy Father Trinity like.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Im Yeah, And I rarely feel uncomfortable for movies like that.
I was like, I don't want to see this ever. Again,
it's weird story. The true story too.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, it is. You know what's so funny. I was
actually looking for the lady because it's actually a black family,
and I feel like they just like disappeared.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I don't blame them, just from the backstory that this
is not something that's typical in the black community. It
is something that I do believe and that you know
that happened to them, and they don't want anything to
do with it. And I mean, I know Zach Began's
from Ghost Adventures interviewed them. I don't know how he
pulled that interview off. I did read his book, and
I think he had mentioned it was it was hard
trying to get them to like come and talk with
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him and be interviewed.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Image.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, and so I could see why they they would
have disappeared and you.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Can't find me, Yeah, because they have no digital footprint
at all.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I don't want anything to do with it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And then some man he was he bought the house
and he was living in there and then he went
blind and he got on fire. I'm like, why would
you want to live in there?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh? That part I didn't know about. Yeah, it's yeah,
that place. And then just a side note. A few
weeks ago, I went to Las Vegas and zach begans
Haunted Museum. He has the stairs from the basement and nothing.
It just at the very end of the tour, and
he did they give you the option if you want
to stay in the room and look at it or leave.
And I stayed in the room. But I was just like,
(05:57):
this is creepy. I was. I was okay, but yeah,
an he when everyone wants to come close to that
story and see he has those stairs.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So yo, you a different type niggaive by the stairs.
You by the stairs, like, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, yep, he bought the stairs. Did you feel anything
not in that room? But oh, man, I gotta tell you,
if you ever do go to Vegas, I would suggest
you go to that museum because you can choose what
rooms you want to go in. So you're just like, yeah, no,
that's not happening. My sister she didn't want to go
in the room with this doll. They have a doll
that they said don't look her in the eyes. Who
(06:33):
wants to go in? She was like, I'm not dealing
with that. She's stayed in the hallway. I was like,
I'll go. But again it was because I'm I think
as a spiritualist, and as we go through the interview,
I'm very grounded and I'm very in control to where
I'm not someone that's like I see spirit everywhere. It's
not like that I live, you know, I'm very controlled.
And so I was like, cool, I want air, but
(06:55):
you know, and to kind of feel that energy in
that room with that doll a lot of energy. He
also has Jack Kavorkian's van. What's that? Who's that? Ooh?
Please google that when you when you're done. It's a
it's a man from I want to say thirty years ago.
He used to do assistant suicides. But these are people
that wanted to they wanted to die, and so but
(07:15):
he was kind of condemned in the media. And it's
funny because I remember being little around the time and
hearing about it. But he was condemned in the media,
and they have the van that he used to do
the suicides. In that room, I was like, no, Like
I felt really lightheaded, and I was like and we
were in there for like five minutes. I was like,
I gotta get out of here. But yeah, there's a
few things in that museum which made me uncomfortable. But
(07:37):
it's an interesting museum. That's why I tell people. I'm like,
it's it's spooky, but he does have a lot of
cool things in there, especially if you like the paranormal.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
See that's the thing. I love watching scary shit. But
I can't experience Like I couldn't do that museum even
if I wanted to. I'm like, nah, this is too much.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
My sister, yeah, she did it, and then towards the
end she was trying to leave. She was like, I
gotta get out of here. I was like, wait, just way,
it's almost over. She's like it's too much, and she
was like, I'm glad that gives me the option if
I can go in certain Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Could you imagine if you have to go in to exit?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh yeah, Like nope, nope, no, but no, I hear you.
Some people are just like no, way, too much. And
it is a lot of energy in that space because
of all the stuff he has.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And I feel energy. So if I feel something crazy,
I would run at that damn house. Like that's like,
we're not saying this.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yep, You're like I'm out by.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I'm out, So do you believe that everyone has intuitive
or psychic gifts to some degree?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I think that everyone is. I believe that everyone's sensitive. However,
some are more open than others. So for example, like
I have a friend who is She's like, I'm not
a psychic, I'm not a medium. However, she can pick
up things, and I'm like, okay, you're a good example
to where she's sensitive. She identifies that. She's like, yeah,
I can kind of sense if I'm uncomfortable, you know,
(08:55):
And she's like, I could pick up on things, but
it's not something that she wants to do professionally. So yeah,
I believe that people are sensitive. But then there are
some people that just completely closed off to it and
they just aren't aware at all. But again, it's just
my opinion.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I feel like everybody is so spiritually woke. So do
you feel like everybody's making up to their spiritual gifts
or I do.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I think, especially within the last i'm gonna say ten
or so years, I've seen it happen a lot more
where and I'm actually in that boat because I wasn't
doing this like six or seven years ago at all.
I've always been a paranormal investigator. I've been very interested
in the paranormal. I've been doing that for fifteen years.
But the intuitive aspect came out of nowhere where I
(09:37):
was just minding my business, enjoying life in New Orleans,
and I was getting information in one room and I
was like, why it was little things. I was like,
it was doing an investigation and they were saying that
the room we were in. They were like, it's hunted
by a nun and she died and just a big
elaborate story, right, And I'm sitting there and I was like,
(09:57):
I feel like there's a lady. I feel like she
has brown hair. Like it was just coming to me,
and I was like a download, yeah, And I was like,
she's twenty five and she was a nurse. She killed herself,
Like it was just and I was like, where's this
coming around? I never forgot that because that was the
first moment where I was getting that downloaded information. And
then later another investigator told the group like, oh my god,
(10:17):
we found out about a nurse who died here and
she was twenty six, and I remember it was one
year off from what I picked. I was like, hmm,
he's like and then she committed to it and it
was connecting. And that was the moment where I said, Okay,
is there so many deeper here? Like you know and
so yeah to me where she just said, like it's
this spiritual awakening where it's not just myself, it's a
lot of people. But it does feel like it's more
(10:39):
in recent years that this is all happening.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
What does it feel like when you receive a download?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So there's different ways that people get information, so we
call it the Claires. So the Claire so Claire sentient
is when they can someone can feel a certain way
where they're like they go into a place they're like,
oh I feel sick, I don't know about this space,
feel like really relaxed. So that's Claire sentient. Then there's
Claire audience. If I was Claire Audien, I would check
(11:07):
into a mental hospital, but right it, I was like
I wouldn't hear anything. So that's when you hear stuff.
Then there's Claire cognizant, where it just comes to you
you just so like one time I was talking to
one girl and I said, are you from New York?
And she's like, but you how do you know that?
I was like I don't know it just it just
came to me. So some people are that. And then
(11:29):
there's clairevoyant, which is what I am. So clairevoyant is
like I see it. It plays out for me like
a movie in my head. So if I told you
imagine a waterfall, that's how it looks to me. Where
some people are like, wait, do you actually see somebody?
I'm like no, I if I actually physically saw somebody,
I again checked myself into a mental hospital. I don't
(11:49):
see things. I don't hear things. It's just all intuitive.
And so it plays out for a movie like me
and for me, so like when I was in New Orleans,
the movie in my head was of female or brown hair. Yeah,
and it tells a story. And that's kind of how
I teach. When I teach intuition classes, it's like, okay,
which one is your gift? Which one? Like how are
(12:10):
you getting this information? Because everyone's different. So I just
heard the word this and that or I felt this,
and I'm like that's that's that's good. Let's develop on that.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So yeah, you know, while you was talking, I was thinking, like, yo,
it's kind of cool because it in a sense, it
sounds like a memory.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, that's how it feels. That's literally kind of how
I see it. And so someone's like, do you think
I'm gonna get fired? And then I'll kind of just
take a second and then play to play out for me,
and I'm like, and I'll see people and I'm like,
who's so and so. So that's and it's I like
that it plays out that way because again, there's some
people that get they hear and then they feel feel
(12:47):
I can do the clar sentient to Usually when I
do investigations, I don't like it too much because I'm
not one to be manipulated to where I'm walking into
a haunted place. I'm like, oh, I feel sick, Like
I hate that. Like no, so I'm like, yeah, yeah,
I turned myself off too. I'm like nope, but yeah,
it's it's kind of cool. And that's actually why I
(13:08):
like teaching, because I like people to identify how are
they receiving that information?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Because yeah, so what inspired this shift? Because if I'm
not mistaken twenty years ago, you usuppress your gifts and
like you said, two or three years ago, you just
put yourself back out there.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, it started when I was little. So I grew
up in a Crenshaw district in Los Angeles from the
hood too, Oh I'm from yeah, yeah, I grew up
on Western Vernon Crenshaw, like that is where I lived.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And boos and cribs and spirits shop.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Oh yes, oh yes. I just a side note, like
I remember the riots, Like I remember my sister walk
with me and my brother was really little, and one
of the stores was on fire, like around the corner
from our I lived in the yeah and so yeah,
and just being there. I remember one night I woke
up and I saw a blonde hair, blue eye girl
(14:01):
standing over my sister and dressed in period clothing like not.
And I was like, that's there would not be a
blonde hair girl in the Limbert Park area. What's happening?
And I remember being like, let me just make sure
I'm not losing. And I covered my eyes and I
looked at it and she was still there. What do
you think I look? She was, I was long, she
was just like from memory, she was just standing over her.
(14:23):
I don't know, like I'm gonna be honest, because I
was like eleven or twelve, and she I looked the
third time and she was still there, and that's why
I said this day, I believe what I saw because
she was still there. But then I think I was
like moving and she started to fade away. And so
that's actually the only time that I could physically see
in my life. I've never seen anything else. It's always
been intuitive. But that was when I was like, yeah,
(14:46):
not cool, don't like it. This is uncomfortable. Didn't tell
my mom. I told my sister years ago, years later,
and she was like, why didn't you tell me? I
was like, you think you would, you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Have a crazy girl.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, there's a white girl in the house. Like what
do you have believed?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Right? Yeah? And then I saw something else a few
years later, like in the bathroom. I saw like it
was like something floating and white. And that's when I
was like, you know what, No, no, man, I'm uncomfortable.
I don't like this, and yeah, went away. I was
praying about it. Went away for twenty plus years, and
then I was I found myself very interested in the paranormal,
(15:23):
and this could be anything. I was interested in. Aliens, UFOs,
cryptis are like bigfoots, we call chipocabras, things like that.
I was interested, but I was terrified of it. And
so whenever people ask about like my backstory, I always say,
my friends will laugh at me because I'm actually terrified
of the paranormal. I'm scared of it's a it's a fear.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Of mine, which was so crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
But that's why I decided to learn everything I could,
because I was like, you know what, people are scared
of what they don't know? Ye hear what they have? Yeah,
And I was like, let me just learn what I can.
And I studied on it, red on it. I joined
the paranorm Normal Team. I learned every even how to
do the ghost hunting tools. I did it for a
(16:07):
different reason, like a lot of people are just like
I like scary stuff. I like history, and I like
learning about people from the past and also just telling
their stories and bringing it to life. That's why I
do the paranormal. As an investigator. I don't do dark
I don't do demons. I don't do none of that.
Absolutely not. If someone's like, there's a demon in my house,
I'm like, Okay, good luck. So that's kind of like
(16:31):
my backstory. So it's the paranormal research. Investigating started about
fifteen years ago, whereas the intuitive aspect the year was
that six seven years ago. And then I just said,
you know what, if you're gonna do this, you better
be damn good because there's nobody else that really looks
like you in the spiritual field. Every class, Yeah, take
(16:52):
every class you can, and I did. I worked with
some of the best people in the world. And my
mentor is Lisa Williams, who has she had her own
TV show years ago and she's incredible, and I worked
with her personally and I became one of her master teachers.
I'm one of her No, I am her only African
American master teacher in the world. She only has like
fifty of them that sertifight with her directly, and yeah,
(17:14):
that's kind of like my claim to fame is just
being able to work with her and learning everything I
can from her. And to be honest, she's one of
the reasons why Lily Dale even saw me, because she
was like, here's Tonny, she's amazing as she's black. Here
you go and it's like, oh and so they and
they see that and they always ask me back every year,
which is a big deal. You know.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It's so crazy because it's just dawn on me because
during Spooky Series I talked to like either psychics or
paranormal investigators or you know, people that work in the industry,
especially black people. But one of the things that they
always say, or the common thread between all of our
stories is one minute, you just you just see something.
It just appears. So do you think that spirits are
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on the people who aren't actively looking for them, but
the spirit knows that person has a gift.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
That's a good question, actually right, Yes, yes and no.
I'm gonna say mostly yes because there are people trying
to think of I want to give you an example.
There aren't. Okay, it's an example. I'd bring up my
sister again. She's a psychic, but she's a denying psychic.
She's like, I don't see, I don't hear, leave me alone.
I don't believe in any of this. However, she's very gifted,
(18:28):
and whenever we go somewhere it could be anything the hotel,
a nursing home, she's like, there's somebody behind me, and
she's like yes, She's like I know, and I'm like,
of course there's someone behind you because they know that
you're gifted. She's like, no, no, and so I so yes,
say answer your question is like she is somebody that
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she just has that energy or that light to where
there may be spirits that are like I think she
can see me or feel me, feel me, and then
they kind of like are in her space where luckily
she's able to completely she's she doesn't want to be
aware to eventually just go away. But if she was aware,
oh my god, she'd probably be surrounded. And so I
say yes, so yes, I believe that there are some
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people where that does happen, but then there are some
people where it doesn't. Like me, I'm very closed off
when I'm not doing this work because of training, I've
learned to literally it sounds stupid, but turn to switch on. Okay,
I'm gonna do my readings or intuitive turn it off?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
How do you do that? Like you just like, what's
the process, Like.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It's you know what. I've had different teachers that teach
different ways, where there was one teacher that literally said,
imagine a light switch, turn it on, turn it off.
It sounds simple, but I was like, hm, I'm gonna
try that. There's another teacher that said, think of it
like closing a window, opening a window. And so with
my years of development, I would say, just have your
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own method for me. I literally just it's it's hard
to explained. My energy is just turned off. I'm not
thinking of a light switch, I'm not thinking of a window.
I'm just me. I'm just doing my life. I'm working,
I'm doing my job. If I'm doing an investigation, I'm
just like, Okay, Intuitively, I'm hoping, I'm ready. Okay, let's
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see what's here, Let's see what's going on. And it
sounds a little complicated to explain, but it's worked for me.
Whereas you know, you see people that are like something's
following me, or I'm uncomfortable. That's never never happened to me.
I'm fine. I don't have anything weird happen to me.
I don't have things talking to me. It doesn't work
(20:31):
like that. And so, but yeah, hard to explain, but
it is with development. If someone's listening, that's you know,
learning more about their own development. It takes time to
get to that point to where you're like controlled.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, so are there any other gifts or abilities that
you have that you don't use? Because I know one
of the things that you said in one of your
other interviews that you don't like doing past readings or
past life readings.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, A few people told me that I'm pretty good
at it. And it sounds crazy because you could be like,
are you just making stuff up? You know? Whereas what
I did was when I would practice it, I would
connect it. I would somehow connect it to something in
their current life, to where the sitter was like impressive, Okay,
you wouldn't know that. How would you know that? You know?
(21:14):
We're like a good example is I read someone years
ago and I was connected to her legs or something.
I was like, I feel like you were I forgot
what I told her A man in a village and
you had to use canes and you couldn't walk it all.
I think your legs are And she's like, you can
see her eyes now, And I said, what's going on?
She says, when I was a child, I couldn't walk,
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and I was like interesting. So it's little things like that,
and so technically I can. I believe I can do
past life readings. However, it's not like a specialty where
I talk about it. To be honest with you, I
find joy after developing and learning everything I could about paranormal.
I find joy in doing investigations and then doing research,
(21:57):
So you go on my pages. I don't have ti
cycond readings into readings. Yeah, I don't do it. And
I knew that when I was developing. My friends are like,
wait a minute, you're doing all this development. You're not
going to be a full time psyche. I was like,
it's not. It's cool, but it doesn't give me joy.
And if a friend emails me or text me and
the life I need a reading. I just met a guy,
(22:18):
I will gladly do it. I will never say no,
it's just I don't know if I want to be
that full time person. That's like that is my job
and so. But no, it gives me. I really enjoy
the paranormal aspect of this.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, and do you still see orrs around people?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I can, but it's against like not a specialty. When
I was a child, Oh my gosh, I sometimes want
to press for wine and go back to that because
I didn't know what was going on. A vivid like
vividly and we my brother just thought it was a game.
I'd been like, oh, stand against the wall, you're green,
and it would just be colors emitting around him or
(22:54):
to the you're purple, and I was like, oh, I
was like, I was seeing ours a little kid, and
he said, he said, you're younger than me. He was too,
and he was like, I wonder if that means I'm psychic.
I said, you might be, but see he's in another
path in life. But it was just like a common
He's like, I wonder if I'm psyche because I could
see him too, but I think he couldn't see them
(23:15):
as strong as I could. And so I tell people
that auras are just energy. It's all about energy and
reading people. And everyone has their own interpretation of what
the aura color is. And so let's say you saw
blue around me. For me, blue means communication, it means somehow,
cause mean like father connection, whereas for you, blue can
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mean something else like school or someone with an attitude
or whatever. You know. So when I teach about auras,
it's like, what did these colors mean to you? And so, yeah,
I that was cool thinking about the ras when I
was younger.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
And not me asking you it's my color. Oh oh
you can see him.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
It's intuitive. It's the claiicolance. You have a few. Actually,
the first the first one that popped up for you
was purple. So for purple, that means for me, it's
like queen energy, It's all okay, it's okay, queen energy,
intuition royalty meaning not like you are like the Queen
(24:20):
of England, but you could be to be treated. You
want to be treated like the queen that you are. Also,
you not high maintenance, but you expect I am.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I am.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh, you know what, I probably worried it wrong. I
wanted to say, not a nasty type of high maintenance,
like you know what you deserve, you know, like I
know what I need. And let's say you're dating someone
you're very much like he's like, I'm trying to think
of an example, like you're he's like, I'm gonna get
you McDonald's. You're like that, We're not No, Yeah, I
(24:54):
feel like you're you're you hold yourself in high regard.
There we go. But then I also saw red and
read for me is someone who doesn't play around, and
so someone's poking you or bothering you. Come on people professional,
You're very professional. But if someone pokes, pokes, pokes, I
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feel like there's a side of you that doesn't come
out very often where they're like, yeah, you're just like okay,
and then you revert back to the professional side. So yeah,
that's what I and yellow, which is for me, yellow
is education. Someone is very very smart. That could have
(25:38):
been a teacher. I don't know if you are a teacher,
but you could. You could be. You're very good at
explaining things and people will listen to you. But yeah,
those are the three colors I see. That's so cool,
damn much.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I can see what you see.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's all it's for like, in my head, I can
It's like I'm looking at you now and then on
top of your head, I just see like and it's
literally energy, just energy kind of floating. And then I
saw the purple and then I saw the red like that,
it just floats. It's pretty cool. Okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Now do you think that children are more spiritually open?
And if so, why do you think most people lose
that connection as they get older, because I always feel
like it starts off when a person as a child.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yep, children are absolutely more spiritually connected. They can see spirit,
they can hear spirit. There's some videos on TikTok that
have to send you from people where you see a
kid clearly talking to somebody that's not there, and the
parents like what is going on? And so, yes, they
can see, they can hear, they can feel. It's interesting
because I think back to when I was a toddler.
(26:40):
Maybe I did not that I don't know, and my
mom will never tell me. She doesn't believe in any
of this. But yes, I believe kids are susceptible, and
then as they get older they tend to lose it.
It's just because they are now exposed to the world
and people worping them with crab and bullshit and tea. Yeah,
you really start to forget about that innocent, precious time
(27:00):
where they were younger and more connected to God and
so that. Yeah, I definitely think kids are very As
a matter of fact, I shouldn't say this, but it's okay.
For my day job. They know that I do paranormal
and they tell one of the employees had said, hey, Tani,
there's there's kids that have said because it's camps, the
kids that have said that they think they see a
(27:21):
ghost in the bathroom. And I was like, really, like, yeah,
they said that, And I remember thinking to myself and
it didn't go further than that, but I was thinking, like, yeah,
I'm sure they did. So these are like kids. I'm
sure they're like, oh, there's someone in here, and they're
probably talking to him. So yes, definitely kids are susceptible.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I just think it's so interesting how like, like we
think we're the only beings in the world, and we
are surrounded by so many other things that we just
possibly just can't.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
See at all. Surrounded the galaxies are just so deep,
and I see videos about the one hundred light years
away we found a planet with all water? Could there
be life? Like, of course there's life, but yes, I agree.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
So how did your mom, with her being a non believer,
how did that impact you on your journey?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It was fine. She she goes back and forth where
like I see her watching shows with psycho growing up
shows the psychic medium things, or I'll see her like
there's an interest, but then she's like, oh, you know.
Her attitude was I need to see it to believe it.
That was always her attitude. And then when I first
started doing learning more about paranor paranormal and developing my
(28:34):
spiritual gifts, I remember sitting down and being like, so, yeah,
apparently a teacher said that I'm a medium, and she
just kind of looked at me, and I was like,
I was like, so, I just wanted you to be
aware because I think I'm gonna like dive and learn,
dive in and learn more about it. And I really
(28:55):
appreciate it because she says, do you like doing it?
Like the reading stuff, and I said I do. Actually
she said okay, and that it never that was it.
And I appreciate that cause she wasn't like what the hell, like,
are you happy? That's all that matters? Are you do
you like, yeah, like okay, then then that's fine. And
then as I would do the development, she never really
(29:16):
stopped me or commented or nothing that It was just like, oh,
you're in the class, Oh okay, whatever, you know, our
our showmate comments. Like I showed her I was on
I was on Ghost Adventures, which is one of the
biggest deals in my life. If you haven't seen it,
please watch it. I was Ghost Adventures and I showed
her and she was just kind of like, all of
you guys are idiots, like just being a smarter, Yeah,
(29:39):
you're dumb. All of you are crazy if you believe
in all this stuff. But she watched it. You know,
she watched me. She watched the whole thing and was
just like whatever, and then that was really it. So
it's like, is she supportive in her own way?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, I'm about to say she's proud, but she just
shows in a different way, in a.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Different way, which is totally fine. I'm just happy that
she's not like, get out, this is evil, you know
where it's my sister who is a the nying psychic.
She she believes in this. She just feels like there's
some aspects to it that could be evil. And yeah,
I agree, there's people that do. Like I said, I
told you some places that have like demonic activity. I
don't deal with that stuff. Yeah, and so she's just
(30:16):
kind of like, well, just keep that away from me.
I was like, don't worry. I don't. I don't do
things like that.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So, yeah, you know what's so crazy. I was looking
for it because you know, my show I interview black people,
and so I really want to talk to a demonologist.
But I'm like, do I really want to talk to
somebody that deals with that?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I know? And I you know, I try to respect
everyone that's in this field because they all have their
own strengths you know.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
But yeah, yeah, because I'm just like, what would make
you want to chase demons?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah? That it makes me uncomfortable. And I always tell
the students when I teach them, I'm like, listen, I'm like,
as an investigator, I know something that I'm probably going
to come across at some point. I get that. I know.
It's like I'm because I'm doing this, you know, work,
but I don't go looking for it. I don't trying
to communicate with it or like why would I do that?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
And see, And that's why I'm just like, that's the
interesting part, because like why would you want to do that?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yes, And I'm like, I just want to like tell
stories and talk to a lady from the eighteen hundreds.
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Dark right now? Looking back, did you ever feel like
you're INTUITU side ever show up in your everyday life
and you just.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah. When I was a young manager, I worked for
this fast food restaurant chain for a long time, and
I used to do interviews all the time, and I
remember I would this is so random. I would be like,
oh hi, I'm tiny. I would shake their hands during
the interviews, and when I would shake their hand, I
would get a download of information about them, and I
was always right. So like there was one girl years ago,
fifteen years ago, I shook her hand and something said
(31:51):
always late, doesn't hold herself accountable, don't trust her. Yeah,
And I was just like, interview was awesome, she was dumb.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
The ones Okay, she was great.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
She As a matter of fact, I think she was
black ways of years ago, and I remember being like,
she's I want to hire you know everything I came
it was horrible, and I anyway, that kept happening. That
kept happening, and it happened countless times. I'm gonna say
more than fifteen twenty times just over the years I
worked there, hiring people, and I was like, is it
just me? Or am I giving in to the So
(32:23):
then at the time I would say, as a joke,
cause I was young, I'd be like, I have a
hidden trick. I could shake your hand and know things
about you. But at the time, being young, I didn't realize,
oh girl, you're intuitive, like hello, right, so like really yeah,
shake your hand or no. So I was just picking
up on their energy and so that so yes, going
being younger and not being at the time, I wasn't
(32:44):
tapped in the paranormal, I wasn't tapped in the spirituality.
I was just being me. I was getting information about people.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But is it hard for you to differentiate between your
thoughts and what you receive intuitively?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'm gonna say I'm gonna say no. But it's only
because of that development. And the question you're asking is
so perfect because there's so many people that are new
to the spiritual side of themselves, right and they're like
they don't know, and it's like it took years. I
think I started developing this in like late twenty eighteen,
(33:19):
and that I took it seriously. I was like, am
I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna really do it, and
I'm gonna take it seriously, and I'm gonna make sure
that I understand every aspect of this. And so yeah,
I feel that I'm able to differentiate, like, Okay, this
is me, Okay, wait, what you know? This is something different.
I can tell if when I'm an investigation, if I'm
(33:40):
actually feeling or seeing someone intuitively, or if I'm making
the double I can usually tell the difference. Another one
that's really hard for people. I get asked a lot
is can you tell between a loved one and a ghost?
That's hard to explain, but yes, you know, it's a
good question. It's hard. Yeah. Years ago, my friend he
said that he felt like his house was haunted. And
(34:02):
I went and I was like, wait a minute, whose
house is this? And he said, oh, it's my aunts.
I said, she passed. Yes, so it wasn't a ghost,
it was her. She was just visiting. She was visiting.
I was like, she will see make sure her house
is clean up. But you know, so that was a
good I was telling that example when teaching because they're like,
I can't tell. It's just I felt love with him
(34:24):
because he was there. I felt love, I felt normalcy.
I could see how she was dressed, and I was
just like, oh, this is a present day woman that
just wanted to come, Whereas if you were in a location,
I'm like, that person's dressed from like the nineteen sixties.
You know, like what is going on? Or it's a
different type of feel or different type of energy. Is
it something dark? Is it something happy? Is it something
(34:47):
you know? It's different ways. And so there's a lot
that goes into this development, and that's also just a
side conversation where there's so many psychic mediums that have
no idea what they're doing and they just did a
drop in and they're like, I'm a psychic, I'm charging
two hundred dollars an hour and they don't know what
the hell they are doing.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I don't see how people are still getting scammed.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
In five Yeah, so many, And that's why I'm like,
please learn. That's why I say develop a lot of them, like,
please develop, Please learn about this before you just jump
into this work, because it's it's not something to be
taken lightly, especially if you're doing it professionally full time,
because people will listen to every single word that you say,
anything you say about their career, their job or SORR,
(35:26):
their love life or family life. So just want to
make sure people are ethical when doing this work.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, now, because you got my wheels turning. So when
we have all these spirits that surrounded us, why do
you think that they're not either in heaven or hell.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
There's different reasons, And when I do investigations, it's like
the most typical reason is their attached to property. That
is their property, that is their item. It could be
a bed, it could be a necklace. It's just there.
They want to stay with the item are which is
kind of sad. Some of them are just waiting for
someone and they don't realize that that person they're waiting
for has crossed over. So it's a lot of different reasons.
(36:10):
A good one, which is oh really interesting, actually is
in Las Vegas there's a insurance company that used to
belong to Red Fox. It was his house. He got
his like a because we all know how popular he was.
His biggest check he bought that property and that was
his damn property. And he made that very very clear.
He was very proud of it because I'm thinking he
(36:30):
came from nothing, from memory and the irs. I think
they took everything in like nineteen ninety or some we
give researched this, but they took everything, and at the
time he was just like, this is my stup, blah
blah blah blah blah. Anyway, he died and he was
haunting the hell out of that house. I think he
still does. I would love to know. They're very an
insurance compan owns it, so they're very much like yes,
(36:52):
staying why, Like they don't make people who interviews are investigations.
I'm like, and I investigated, please, but it is known
in the in the nineties, in the early two thousand
that the location was very, very haunted. But they say
it's him and he's not happy yet because they've had
psychics going there and they're like, he's upset because of
the renovations and that things were moved. And so that's
a good example where it just depends on the situation
(37:12):
with him. That is his house and he is not
one of money in there messing anything up. That's how
he sees it.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
But I want to do the spirit like makes the
agreement that they're not ready to move on, because I'm like,
how does that work? I mean, I don't want to
find out. God, no time soon.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
But it's different reasons, and you know, like another another
example is in Gettysburg exactly a year ago. I was
with my sister and we were doing an investigation and
we came across a soldier and she was she was
freaked out because I remember she kind of a skeptic, and
she asked on that spear box, she says, who's the president? Clear?
(37:47):
Is that you hear him say? President Lincoln? She was like,
I'm done I've got I've got where see with him,
I don't think he knew he was dead.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And that's another thing. Yeah, I had this this other
pair investigating and she's just like you, you actually follow
each other. Shout out to Melissa. But she Yeah, she
was saying, how a lot of times, a lot of
these people don't even know that they did.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, yeah, they a lot. So it just depends like
you have some that don't know, some that do know,
some that they just they don't want to leave a
lot of different things, and so like some psychics, they
are able to try to cross them over. I actually
don't do that. My mentor gets mad at me about that.
She wanted me to be able to if I go
into a location, there is somebody that's like, I'm waiting
(38:30):
for my father who passed fifty sixty years ago, to
get them to move over, move across on And I
don't really Yes, so I have a thought about it.
I just feel like I don't know if it's my place,
I don't know. If I don't know, that's just my feeling.
I'm just like, no, don't really do that. I feel
like if you questioned it for you, yeah, see, yeah,
(38:50):
I was just like, I'd rather just investigate and tell
the story. I don't feel like making them leave if
they don't want to leave. It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
So yeah, so how did you get into this field?
Because I know he said, you've been doing paranormal investigation
fifteen years ago, So like, what was that experience of
experience like, because I do feel like one of the
biggest misconceptions is there's not a lot of black people
in this I mean they it's still white dominated. Yeah,
but I feel like the brownies are here in there though.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah. Yeah, I just like I said earlier, it's just
it was intriguing to me, and you know, I was
like scared of UFOs, but I was like, I'm gonna
learn everything about it. And then I would do a
lot of ghost tours and the first team I got
I became a part of. I did so many of
his ghost tours and the owner he's like, why don't
you join my team? And I was like, oh really
He's like he's like yeah, he's like I have he
has a team of like eight people. He's like, I'll
(39:38):
teach you how to do everything. And I really appreciate
that because he said it to me like join the team,
and so I joined and I was able to do
investigations and use the learn how to use the equipment,
and so when I I kind of promote myself more
as an investigator than an intuitive medium. That's why you
don't really see that on the page, because I'm like, oh,
I've been doing investigations for years and so yeah, that's
(40:00):
really it. I You're right, there's there's not really many
African Americans in this field. What I've seen, unfortunately, is
there are content creators, influencers that are interested in you know,
they're like, this is so cool, this is interesting, but
I don't there's very few that have actually put in
(40:22):
the work.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
And know the history.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yet they know the history. They not even just the history.
They know how to investigate, they know how like the tools,
they know the safety aspect, they understand the ethics. They
are able to teach other people and hold actual investigations.
That's a rarity in this point. There is a rarity.
And someone can talk to you blue in the face
and claim that they know that they're that they're not.
(40:46):
Melissa is one. I remember I was like, oh, yeah, Melissa,
she definitely is. You know, I've been following her for years.
She knows exactly what she's talking about. She's highly well spoken.
She's experienced another one, Marie Jackson.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Ghostbuster, and love her. She's been on the show too.
They've both been on the show about two or three times.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, she knows her shit, Marie and she I always
always highlight her, Like if someone does a post and
they forget to mention her, I'm like, don't forget Marie.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
And that's what I love about y'all, Like y'all always
make sure that y'all look out for each other.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yes, I'm a huge advocate because there really isn't a
lot that really know what they're doing, and so I
always want to make that very clear because again, like
I'm on TikTok and this, and I'm just like, oh,
here's another one that doesn't know what's happening. Oh here's
another one that doesn't. But they don't want to put
in the work. And there's a lot of work. And
I've been blessed and humbled to have gotten a lot
(41:41):
of media opportunities within the last two to three years on.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
TV, and shit, it was and it was not easy.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
And I always tell people that I'm like, They're like,
I want to be a famous paranom person. I'm like, listen,
I'm not famous here. But what I had was hard,
thereating the hell out of me. They really want to
make sure this black knew what she was doing. There
was one, but I don't think I've ever said this before,
but there was one production company that was interested in me,
and they interviewed me for like two hours, and they
(42:09):
were so intrigued because I think they wanted to create something.
And then they emailed my agent and they were like,
we love her, she's too green. I was they think
you too green?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
From Crenshaw.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
I was like, excuse me, and we need someone I've
never said this before. They said, we want someone more
like Tyler Henry. You know that the blonde boy from
the Head to.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Teeth, Oh, the one who'd be doing all the celebrity
readers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
We want someone more like him, someone that see with Tyler,
you know, we had such high ratings with him. We
need someone like him. We love Tony, she's too green.
And I was like, do you mean too black?
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
You talk to me for two hours? And so that
I just brought that up because it's just an example
of what you know, as an African American investigator of paranormal,
you know, like what I have to deal with it
and trying to break out more on a bigger platform.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
So you know what's so crazy because I just had
another thought about how, you know a lot of people
don't like horror, let alone black horror, but black horror
is black history. Because pretty much there was being racist
towards you.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, yeah, wow, absolutely yeah. And so the ones, and
you know, to be fair, the ones that I did get,
like I'm in a lot of Canadian shows, I do
believe that they did want to utilize me, not just
for my knowledge, but because I was different. And I
appreciate that because they're like, oh, this is different. This
is not a Caucasian male going on and known about demons.
(43:36):
This exactly black woman. You know, we want diversity. Holy crap,
she knows what she's talking about. And so I've gotten
a lot of projects in Canada. The Ghost Adventures was
more of that was a big deal because that's like
the number.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
One Yeah, that's number one show in paranormia.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, yeah, number one show. And that one was just
a like accident a friend of mine. They said they
were looking for a medium, and she suggested me and
they talked to me and they were like, wait a minute,
she knows her stuff too. Like I was telling him
about the Poltry guy's house and what I knew about
it and my experience, and I could tell they were
just like, oh okay, Like I could say, bud how
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and inviting me on. And I didn't think I was
going to tour the house with Zach. I thought he
was just gonna talk to me, but no, he had
me come in the house with him and do an investigation.
I was like, oh, and my friend's been like telling everybody.
She's like Tonie's the first black medium on the show.
Tony's the first black medium on the show. Thank you.
But it's sad that it's been on for I don't
(44:31):
know eighteen years and I am the first black medium.
But it's a proud moment because it was It was
so cool to be able to like validate. And I
don't do a lot of mediumship stuff on TV. A
lot of my TV stuff is just like paranormal history.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, Yo, that's so crazy because I listened to them
at all your interviews and you definitely never said that before. Yeah,
that's what we pretty private.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, yeah, I am, but no, it felt good to
talk about that because you know, it is something where
I do hope that you you start, we start to
see more diversity in the field, you know, behind the
camera in front of the camera. But I really wanted
to be the right people. I really wanted to that
(45:15):
really put in that work and that really know what
they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah, and I'm just also thinking about I couldn't couldn't
even imagine how you feel like it kind of feels
like you pressure to perform or prove that you know
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
That's how the interviews. That's kind of what I mean.
When I'm in I'm like interrogated. That's the way the
interviews come off. Everything I've gotten, it's like interrogation, interrogation,
but it's like pressure, pressure, like what do you know?
And so it makes me want to know, not one,
it's it's you know what, I don't even really need
to try hard because I'm lucky to where I am
a sort of fight spiritual teacher. You know, I am
(45:48):
a sort of fight into it a medium. I am
able to just be myself. Yeah, so you really did
all that I'm like, yeah, that's why the whole like
we love her, she's green. I was like, I literally
what how I just you know, and so it's I
I held on to that and people were like don't.
I was just like it was so offensive because you
(46:10):
could see how intrigued they were and everything that I
shared with them and everything that they learned in that
one meeting. Yet they want Tyler Henry Yes to tell
you about them.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
And I think also the media plays a part in
that too, because with the media, we don't see us
on TV like the like we just started seeing niggas
on TV when it comes to paranorial activity and stuff
like that. And I just think sometimes, like, you know,
thank God for Jordan Peeling all these other people. But
I'm just like, damn, like, do you feel like they
get anything right as of now, because I feel like
we Horror has been around for a long time and
(46:41):
we just now starting to become the main character. Yeah,
the final girl.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah. I think, like you know what, I love the
new what do you call it? The Okay? I love
get Out. Yeah. I wouldn't say it's like paranormal will
kind of supernat for you. I love get Out us
was okay, like us, it was it was, it was okay.
I liked the writing because it was different. The writing
(47:09):
was different. I was like, this is interesting. But it
was also really really creepy, which I'm sure that's what
he was going for. So I'm an idiot, but it
was really really great.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
It's low key true too, because there are people who
live on the ground.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
I've heard that, Yeah, that's what I've never liked research,
but I've heard that that. Yeah, but no that. And
then there was a comedy one that just came out,
The Blackened. Oh that was the Ear of the Blackening.
I didn't like the it was it was funny, but
I understand, like I remember leaving and I was like,
that was funny, but something was missing or I don't
(47:41):
know what it was.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Something it didn't tie all together for me.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, yeah, so I totally get that. But no, I'm
and then I know they just created the movie Deliverance,
and so I think they're trying. They're they're trying. I
just feel like there needs to be more people that
actually want to see it happen. Was good, I've heard.
I didn't see that one.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
I heard it was Goodchise too.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I should probably watch that. But I feel like media
is trying to incorporate more African Americans. I see it
in horror. I'd like to see it in paranormal. This
is another thing I don't really talk about. There was
one major I can tell you off one one major
production company that was really interested in me. They were
really they wanted to do African American you know, paranormal,
(48:28):
probably unscripted. It was very early, but they were so interested.
And then see it just kind of was like do
do do fell off? Oh we're focusing on something white?
You know. They never And I'm just like, you just
need people that really want to make this come to
fruition because they see the talent, they see the potential,
they see that thing. Times are changing. They're trying to
be bring more diversity, whether it be horror or paranormal.
(48:49):
And I always tell my friend, I'm just like, I
just wish that there were people that were taking it
more seriously. That's all I want. Producers and these like
Discovery Channel or like, they need to take it more
seriously where people want to see something different. They no,
that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
And I think that when it comes to you Melissa
Maria I feel like y'all all look different, y'all have
different backgrounds, and I think that's the beauty of what
y'all do, because I feel like people need to see
themselves and certain things. Because I love scary movies so
much that I didn't even know that I could have
been a black film horror historian. Like my guest that
I interview, I can't think of her name, but I
definitely had. That was a really good conversation and very informative.
(49:25):
So I'm just like, I wish that I would have
seen y'all when I was growing up, because who knows.
I'm looking for some ghosts too.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
That's another thing, you know, When I tell people, I'm like, listen,
I'm not trying to be famous. So what I what
I like is being able to inspire others that I
like the little things I've been able to do. Whether
I'm traveling, people are like, oh my god, like I've
never seen a black medium or a black whatever, and
I'm just like, on that that means a lot to me.
I'm actually very private. I'm usually very introverted, you know,
(49:55):
but when it comes to speaking or doing anything paranormal
or talking about this, I'm very passionate about it, and
so I'm like, not on any fame, I just would
like to inspire others and teach others about this field
to where there's certain aspects about it where they're not
absolutely terrified and they realize like, Okay, it's about learning
more about history or learning more about the UFOs or
(50:17):
whatever cryptis, you know, learning more about that to understanding it.
Because as of right now, the black community softening to it,
but they're not one hundred percent opening to it. Yeah,
and I feel like I hope that there's somebody that's
able to kind of like open that door whatever.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
That may be. Well, I think that black community is
also starting to be more receptive towards it is because
it's started to become more relatable. Yes, yeah, yeah, because
I think like niggas, they don't like all that that
slash and shit like or monsters and stuff, but I
think when it's something psychological, I think that's what grabs
their attention, like oh shit, like this really does this
(50:54):
really can't happen because it happened to me in this
way metaphorically and stuff like that. So this concludes part
one of this week's episode, Part two, where we dropping
next week, same time, same place, But in the meantime,
email me a hello at thepsgpodcast dot com and tell
me what you think about this week's episode. I thought
this was so good, and also let me know what
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