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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hey, professional homegirls, I hope all is cute. Is Shugary
ebone here and we are back with part two of
my conversation with paranormal investigator Tawny Lewis.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Now, if you thought part one was wild, wait until
you hear this one.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
In this episode, Tawnie takes.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Us even deeper into her world.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
From teaching classes at Lilydale, which, by the way, is
one of the world's oldest and most.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Famous spiritualist communities.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It's a place known for its mediums, psychic readings, and
powerful energy that draws people from all over the world.
Tawny also shared some of her places that hold the
most energy in y'all. We even got caught up in
the spirit of Marvin Gay. Yes you heard right, Marvin Gay.
And before we wrapped up, Tawny revealed the top designation
(01:15):
she's dying to explore next on.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Her paranormal journey.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So sick back, get ready because I'm a paranormal investigator.
Part two starts now, So, what's your process for preparing
for an investigation?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It depends so for a private investigation. So for example,
years ago, there was a lady who said that her
son was saying something in his room and he couldn't
go to sleep. And so at the time I was
with like a team of friends that they were professional investigators.
I did none. I'm trying to think of that. This
is years ago. I was like, listen, we're gonna go there,
go and help him. So let's just go and just
(01:51):
fill out the house healthy seven six or seven. Yeah,
the beautiful house. I wouldn't have been so mad if
I was miles like, get that goes, get out of here. Ye. Anyway,
that we got there, I did a prayer with them,
so I do a prayer before an investigation after one,
just as white light of the Holy Spirit, just make
(02:13):
sure that we're protected, because you never know what you're
walking into. And so we went in. We talked to
the family that lived there. We didn't talk to him,
and I remember him just being like, yeah, I'm scared
of my room and I can't go in there. And
then we just did a walk through the house. So
it's a long story, but just to tell you the process,
I walked through and then didn't. I felt I wanted
(02:33):
to see where I was drawn to. Instead of them
being like that's the room, it was more of being like, okay,
let's see where I feel like I want to go to.
So that's an example. So that's a private residence. If
I'm doing a I'm trying to think because it's different.
One has showed many different types. Okay, lily Dale, they're
gonna allow me a few places to investigate with groups.
(02:55):
Is not familiar lily Dale.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
She was telling me about this off the air.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I love it. So Lilydale is a hamlet community. It
is about an hour away from Buffalo, New York, and
it was I want to say, the community was built
anywhere between like eighteen seventy eighteen eighty. So all the
houses there are old. However they're like beautiful Victorian doll houses.
(03:22):
They're gorgeous. Every person that lives in Lilydale is a
registered medium. They have all been tried and tested so
in order to live there. Yeah, they which say I
said every person, Yep, everyone that lives there that they
are all mediums. I mean they're there with their husband
or party or whatever. Somebody in the house is a
(03:42):
medium and it's gorgeous. And so during summer it's like
a spiritual Disneyland. So I want to say, like from
the very beginning of June to the very end of August.
You can go. You pay a gate fee of like
ten fifteen dollars and they have different events. They have
spirit messages where people like psychics will just give you
(04:03):
messages from loved ones. You just sit there and see
if they call on you. They have that service like
three or four times a day. You can make appointments
with the mediums that live there. You just make an appointment,
you go to their house. They read you. They have classes, classes, classes,
and so they do workshops different things. Learn how to
read auras, learn how to do numerology, paranormal whatever, it's
(04:23):
It's so many everybody wants to teach in Lilydale. It
is a very prestigious place. I think every year they
get like four hundred applications and they only choose maybe
one hundred and fifty if less than that, And so
I always highlight that when talking about their posting about it,
because it's a big deal to be teaching. Some people
I can feel are jealous that you're feeling. I'm like you, guys,
(04:45):
I'm psychic. I can tell if you're jealous that I'm
teaching there. They I believe that in addition to them
having seen me work. But they realize that, you know,
it's like it would be nice to see you know
a lot more of different types, different types of people teach,
and so yeah, it's it's great. I love going they do.
(05:05):
They have a lot of how can explain it, like
they have they have so many people they're visiting that
it's cool to be like, go to my class. And
then I have like a whole bunch of walk ups
because people are like, oh I heard you were teaching.
Oh I saw you in the brochure. And so if
I have ten people that signed up online the day of,
I'll probably have thirty people on the class. My investigations
(05:26):
always sell out. The first year they asked me to go,
I did not know what to do. I had like
seventy people show up to my investigation, my mentor lived there.
Pizza Williams thank god she was there.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh my gosh, a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
That's what she does. She used to groups. She was like, tany,
I'm here, I got you what do you need. I
was like, help me, and she she was like okay,
and she's got everyone in order. She helped me with
just the crowd, like getting everyone in order. But I
was like, so that's what they want. They want to
do investigations. They saw me, they were like, she's different.
They all signed up. I had two women that were
helping me. Oh my god. I haven't never talked about
(06:06):
this on the podcast. You had two women that agreed
to help me who were also paranormal people, and their
attitudes changed. They were jealous at the turnout the people
that showed up. They were jealous. Yeah, they saw the turnout.
(06:26):
They shut down. They wouldn't they were supposed to help me.
They wouldn't help me. I asked, and this is real.
I asked one of them if she could take a
picture of the audience for me, and she said, no,
my head hurts. I swear to God that have Oh yeah,
they were very very jealous. And I'll leave it at that.
But yeah, and so I and this is that's another
(06:46):
struggle with this path for me as a being different,
as a psychedmedium, as a paranormal investigator. I have a
lot of people that are that support me, but then
there's a lot that are like, oh, she's different, so
she's taken my shine that I can feel it, I
can see it, and they're like, oh, well, what about like,
what about me. I see the same thing and it's like, well, yeah,
(07:09):
but you look like everybody else over there. Yeah yeah,
and so that oh god, I've encountered that so much.
And so that's another reason why I try to stay
out of it is and that's why I uplift. That's
actually one of the main reasons why I try to
uplift other investigator female because because of.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Your experiences with them, right.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, And so that's the little deil. Sorry I went
a little off, but I had to bring that up
because it's a big deal and people want to see
me for you. But thank god for Lisa the first year.
But I got it under control the following year. But yeah,
they now I've told them, do not let seventy people
sign up for my investigations. I try to cap it
at like twenty or thirty and then I could the
most I coul take, there's probably thirty five and then
(07:50):
I do it now two nights. The first year was
one night.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Everybody was like, oh wow, good for you, good for you.
But that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
It sounded like hearing stuff like that because I feel like,
what you don't know, You just don't know, So nobody
I never heard Lily Dale before. So the fact that
you are probably the only brownie there that are teaching
these classes and having these investigations because of who you
are and being proud of it really speaks volume. So
just being proud.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, there's only one other that I've heard. I don't
remember her name, but I believe she's the psychic medium
and she's done classes there, but not care normal. I
think she does like mediumship things, you know, and so
I was I remember being like, oh, another minority, this
is great. But otherwise I think it's just her and
I I think, and you know, there's that's absolutely no
(08:37):
dean to Lily Do. I love that place, but I
really appreciate them bringing me back every year and just
allowing different people, you know, different and I appreciate people
they like me. You know, It's so simple, but I'm like,
oh my god, they like me. They always sign up
and they always so they're like, oh, I came for you,
and I'm like last year, one lady she her and
her friend were like, we came from Ohio because we
(08:58):
saw you in the broch shure wanted to take I'm
gonna cry.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's a really good feeling especially Yeah, I mean, don't
come from me, lily Dale, but they sound pretty white.
So the fact that people are traveling just to come
see you in this predominantly white and I'm also assuming
it's a rural town.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yes, it's so you land in Buffalo and then as
you're driving, you're just like, so it's the outskirts. Yeah,
it's a trump flat.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Oh my god, right right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
So yeah, it's kind of in the country but absolutely beautiful.
And actually I would recommend it if you're ever in.
You just so happen to be in that New York area,
just like that, and it's summer, just because it's such
a lovely environment and energy and like the spirit messages
and it's not like it's hard to explain. And I
always tell people I like I would, I would just
go even if it's like two days and you're just
(09:53):
like that was that was lovely, that was nice, you know,
and then you go about to normal life.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah that's pretty cool. So I know you spoke about
before a session, but do you carry anything on you
just to protect yourself?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I do, And it's funny. I normally wear it for interviews.
I usually wear a master crystal cords because I was
wearing I lift it at home.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I have good energy. Y.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, its huge, big crystal. I'll usually wear it that.
Some people have asked me what should I wear? Is
there something I should wear? I would say, whatever you're
drawn to, and so I recommend. I would say, uh,
black termaline, that's a good plas. Yeah. Yeah, I would
say keep it in your purse. It clears negative energy.
(10:37):
On one girl, she told me like, I really like
tiger Eye. I said, see, keep that one on you.
That's what you're drawn to. But for me, yeah, a
crystal cords. I love labradite. Labadite is when I keep
that in my purse. But yeah, I definitely wear it
for every investigation. And then yeah, I do a prayer beforehand,
and then I do one before I leave the property,
just to make sure nothing leaves with us, like whatever
(11:00):
it's here, stay here, not welcome, thank you for letting
us go. Peace out. Also throughout the interview, interview investigation.
Throughout the investigation, I communicate to them on the boxes
to make it clear we're just having a communication. And
then once we're done with the communication, we're done. So
it's like, well, thank you, so much for talking to me.
(11:22):
I really appreciate. Well, you have a good day. I
hope you, uh, but stay here. And then usually they're
like okay, some just depending on how intelligent they are, Okay,
thank you or goodbye. Like the army GUYE and Gettysburg
he said thank you, I'm what do you say, I'm
I'm leaving now or I'm going to my sergeant something
(11:43):
that made it clear that he was And we were like,
did he really just say okay, I'm leaving? What the heck?
I'm just to make sure. Oh yeah, just to make
sure that nothing is like, oh, I like you, I'm
gonna follow you. You know, that's probably the most question,
the most common question. They're like, we just something follows me,
just just talked. You have to remember these are people
that lived, They walked, talked to them like a person
(12:04):
like stay here, Hi, you're not welcome by you know,
just communicate that.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's so interesting too.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
How like even though this person has transitioned, they still
have their the same personality.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, it depends like they That's what I always teach
in the classes. I'm like, you have to remember they
are still the same person that they were when they
were here in the physical, So communicate well, Unfortunately, you
might get an asshole. You might get something I don't
want to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Imagine a spirit telling you the fuck you like, I
don't excuse me.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Luckily, it's rarely happened to me, but it has happened.
And you know what I do. I say, Okay, have
a good why Because there's some people that are like, no,
you're gonna talk to me. I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
That's that's how you get followed, Like, that's how you
get like, if they I'm gonna respect them, but they
don't want to talk to me. By there's an investigation
I did years ago at Brack and Firm Manor and
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Lake Arrowhead.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Always that's a good that's the brothel House, right.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
The brack and Firm Manner and Tudor Tudor House. Yes, yes, yeah,
I always bring that one up because of how hanted
it is. But in the basement of the Tudor House
there's something dark. I think a man was probably killed
down there and he pushed my friend, my.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Friend history about it. I love this story when you
tell it.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Oh yeah, the let me separated the bracken Fern Manor
was a brothel, right, it was. Yeah, there's all the
rooms are named after the women, so like there's Violet
and Jasmine and roads and yeah, that place creepy. But
across from it the road is the Tudor House, and
(13:41):
the Tudor House a lot of celebrities from the Prohibition
error to get away from Hollywood. They would go up
the mountain of the Lake Arrowhead. They would go to the
Tutor House and do it legal stuff, may be gambling, drinking,
sleeping with these women. If you go in the basement
of the Tutor House, the bottles are still down there,
which I thought was really cool. You see all these
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bottles in a corner broken because what it was is
they'd be drunk and then someone would say the police
are coming up the mountain and then they would all
throw their stuff down the chute and the shoots is
in the basement to you. So you go down the yeah,
you see it. I was like, that's so freaking cool.
So anyway, in that basement there's something dark and my
friend got pushed and he was like, I'm done, I'm
over this, I'm and he left. There was oh, oh
(14:24):
my god. Another man. He was being negative, like I
don't believe in ghosts. Da da da da, just talking
and then we were doing an investigation and he started
screaming and he was on the ground and he he
did have a mark on his stomach. I questioned. Sometimes
people were like, oh, it's crash, but he did he
had a mark on his stomach. And then a few
hours later, I was supposed to take a group of
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people down there. I was like, really, do I have to?
And then I was on the team and they're like yeah.
And I got to the stairs and I said, listen,
I know you don't like people down here. I know
you don't want to see your space ghost. I was
talking to him. I said, we will be out of
here in less than two minutes. If you could just
let us show us that you exist. We will literally
(15:09):
leave a space in two minutes. And I laid the
equipment down and then they went off. So he was
basically saying, okay, I'm here, go away like that, and
I said, okay, thank you, have a good day. We left,
and I remember the group they were like, did that
just happen? I said, yeah, but that's also proof for you.
Just talk to them if you need to like a
human because you can feel his energy. He was just like, yeah,
(15:31):
I'm here, okay, look look look light up, light up, look,
uh okay, can you leave now? Like that, and I
respected it, whereas if I didn't, he probably would have
pushed me down, like my friend if I was like, oh,
I'm gonna keep walking in and messing with you, and
I was like no, I'm goodbye, thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
So imagine yeah, I'm pushed by like something that you
can't see.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, that was he was done. He was like, I'm
out of here. He's an investigator, but he had never
been physically harm right, and he was like I can't.
He left, and then the other guy. The other guy
was a jerk. He deserved that, but I was talking negative,
like this is not the room or the space for
you to be acting like that, sir. That's all. I'm
not shocked that happened.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
So, speaking of Hollywood, with all of the energy and
conversation that's surrounding it and your experience, which places in
Hollywood carried the most spiritual or hunted energy?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Ooh, there's so many places out in Hollywood. I'm gonna
say the number one that I usually bring up is
Hollywood Forever Cemetery. Yeah, I it's a beautiful cemetery.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
As a matter of cemetery tany not a beautiful cemetery.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Well, what's interesting about it, and I kind of joke
around with my friend is that it's a park. It's
called Hollywood Wait, Hollywood Forever Park or something, and I
was like, wait a minute, and you you go and
you see people eating lunch and doing yoga, and I'm like, really,
so that I will not do. I'm sorry, I'm not
(17:03):
eating lunch.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Eating lunch at the cemetery. Oh yeah, but if you.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
If you look up Hollywood Forever Cemetery, it's like a
park and see that's what That's what I membery. I
was like, it's beautiful, but I'm sorry, I'm not like
doing extracurricular things there. But no, it's full of celebrities
that have been buried there, like Judy Garland is there,
who else? Bert Reynolds, Mickey Rooney, like a lot of
the old stars from the past. And it's during COVID.
(17:30):
I was so bored. My friend and I would just
go and like walk around and try to real seriously,
I would try to like pick up into the information
about like certain celebrities, and he would look online and
confirm it, like because I wouldn't know who so and
so was. But it's definitely haunted. Absolutely. The mortuary they
have a lot of uh, what's his name. There's a
(17:52):
celebrity called last name is Valentino. He was from that
ruf Rudolf Valentino. I think he died in nineteen twenty nine,
and he has an interesting backstory. But his the area
that he's in a lot of energy. A friend of
mine we went like two years ago and did an
investigation in there. So yeah, I would tell people that's
probably the easiest if you're interested in paranormal in Hollywood.
(18:14):
It's open every day from like eight to five. Go
in there and walk around, see some celebrity grades and
try to do an investigation.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Absolutely, but you don't think that's kind of like disrespectful
when people like do these actracurricular activities or I feel like,
especially in today's time, I feel like people really don't
respect the dead.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think it's I hear you, because that's why I
was like, Ooh, I don't want to like eat have
a picnic here. They from movies there, I will say
they do movies there, but I think they have it
on a lawn on the opposite side of the Hollywood Fever.
It's a thing they do. It's like a big thing
for summer. But disrespectful. I'm hesitant to say, only because
(18:51):
they've been doing it for so long a Hollywood Fever cemetery,
and I think because of the celebrities buried there, people
are like, oh, look I'm here. Oh look, I'm sitting
next to so and so is grave, Like that's kind
of how LA is here. So I'm just kind of
like disrespectable. It depends. It's just them being very la.
(19:14):
That's the best way to describe it, because I've seen
people having lunch and I'm just like, no, like I'm good.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So yeah, yoh.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Another thing I saw on your on your Instagram page
where you was talking about Marvin Gay how people would
go to his house and people will say how they
would see him and I'm like, yo, I used to
be so obsessed with it.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That's one thing that I think would be so cool.
And that's one thing that bothers me is that there's
not enough black stories being shot talked about on these
paranormal shows. Yeah, it's well, you know, but yeah, he
was killed in his.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
House by his father, right.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
His father's house. That's all I was like, letna be
back up his father's I might be wrong. I'm so sorry.
I don't have this ready. He I know that his
there's a house in West Adams here in Los Angeles.
Wes Adams was an affluent African American community back in
the nineteen forties. Yeah, and I know Haddie McDaniel live there,
and the house is gorgeous, and him and his dad,
(20:10):
I don't think they ever got along. And one day
they got into a fight and his dad shot him
and Marvin died in the house. And so it's from
my understanding, it's never been investigated, but they have done
movies in that vicinity where I've seen stories like there's
one actress that said that she always felt really uncomfortable,
she felt like someone was watching her. And I've always
been like, can I investigate, please someone else. So it's
(20:31):
one thing, one place I think is very very interesting
that I do believe has If not, I don't know.
I wouldn't say Marvin's haunting it, but I definitely believe
there's some residual energy there because he was shot and killed,
which was a very traumatic event clearly, and so it
would be interesting to go in there. And I bet
you a psychic would feel that. They'd probably walk in
and be like, oh, like I feel like that's kind
(20:51):
of like that residual dor, Like I literally just feel
like someone shot me. But that's a place I think
would be very interesting to investigate.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, and a crazy thing is is one of the
things that you put on on your Instagram page, is
that how he wants? He tried to commit suicide? Like
four times already, I think so, yeah, yeah, multiple times.
Should I say he had a lot of issues in it?
I don't know too much about Marvin, like I like,
I wasn't like a fan of his music or anything.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I think he's very talented individual. But it was interesting
like research. Again, I was like, Wow, he had a
lot of problems, like a lot of demons and at
some point in his life to where who knows, who
knows what went on in that house to where his
dad felt like he needed to shoot.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
His own child, especially through the heart at that.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
See, yes, like what happened? What was he saying? What
was his energy? Like? Like what brought him that low.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
So yeah, yeah, Now, what are some places on your
list of scariest or most hunted places that you want
to visit around the world.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh, people think I'm crazy. The Velesca Axe Murderhouse. What's that? Oh? Okay,
it's in Iowa. Oh I was gonna mixed up, I girl,
that's why, haven't bet that's what I haven't been. I
think it's Iowa and it's yeah, a family of I
want to say six or seven. I might be wrong,
(22:07):
but some person came and murdered like the whole family,
the husband, the wife, and like six kids. And they
say that house is just active, mostly of the kids
and a lot. You could spend the night there. I
was like, what, I don't want to spend the night.
I just just nosy and want to investigate it. But yeah,
they spend the night there and there it's very active.
So that's why I was always interested where like people say,
(22:28):
they get a lot of activity there. So that's one
I've always wanted to investigate. The Tower of London because
they say, like, what do you call it? What's her name?
Oh my god, I can't think of her name right now.
So she was beheaded a queen or she would be
headed or whatever. Sorry I popped in my head. What's
her name? A queen was beheaded and they say that
(22:51):
they see her walking around the Tower of London with
no head. Yeah, it's bothering me that I can't think
of her name right now because I'm very into like
her story. But yes, we had it and I'm trying
to think right now if I can think of it. Whatever,
And uh, that's place Tower of London and then anywhere
in Scotland because I like castles and I have never
(23:12):
been in one, and I feel drawn to them. So
I'm hoping that one day I get to investigate a castle.
Queen and Boylan her and Bolan Okay, yeah and Bolan
that's the one says she. They say they see her
walking around. I was like interesting, so but yeah, those
are That's the top like top of my head. For years,
(23:32):
I wanted to investigate the Whaley House, which is in
San Diego, and I've done it multiple times over the years.
But I remember being young, like Waiting House, Whaley House.
But I would recommend that to anybody that with that. Oh,
the Whale House is in San Diego, so from from me,
it's two hours south. It's was building eighteen I want
to say, like eighteen fifty. It's been a few things.
(23:53):
It was like a courthouse at one point. Then I
think it was like a general store. It was a
few things, but it sounds like from history it was
kind of always haunted because the people the way family
lived there in like the late eighteen hundreds, and they
thought it was haunted at the time, and then they
all started dying. There was a little girl that got
(24:13):
I think she got choked by what do you call
it something? She was running outside. I think she got choked,
so that a little girl died there. They had a
daughter named Violet Hear. Her fiance called off the engagement,
so she went to the top floor and jumped out
the window from depression. She didn't die and was upset
she didn't die, so she ran back in the house
(24:35):
and found her father's shotgun and shot herself, and she
died on the sofa. Then the mother. Different things happened there.
It was just tragedy. Tragedy, But that is one of
the most active places I've ever been. It is a
museum during the day, so you can walk through me
out of their hair in thirty minutes. You go in there,
you'll be like, I'm just here to look at the museum.
You go in and out. But at night when they
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have investigations, they like to talk. They like to communicate,
especially the one that shot herself in the stomach. She's
the most active one. My experience, they years ago. I
was with my best friend and we always thought this
was interesting. We were doing investigation and we were getting
a lot of hits from a Indian girl, at least
from the responses, and we told the guide and he says, wow,
(25:19):
he said, that's crazy. He said, she never comes out
when we do investigations. He said there was he's my
best friend. My best friend is Latino, and so he
was darker. And then she saw and he said she
never comes out. And he said the Walies had a
maid and it was the Indian girl. And he said
(25:39):
they made her sleep in a separate quarter of the house,
which is where we were, which is now the courtroom.
And they used to be and I remember how talkative
she or it was years ago responsive and my friend
was like, she taught to us because we were different
and we weren't. She was like, oh, look at these
two there their skin is close to mine, you know,
And I never forgot that. Yeah, she was talking to us,
(26:03):
but you know, a Whalley house san Diego strongly and
I would recommend you look it up to you'd be like,
it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, but THEND you go to Lizzy Bordon's house too.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I did, but it was more like I was I
had to go. Okay. I went to Salem, Massachusetts, and
I was like, you know what, I'm going to rental
car literally for six hours and drive to Fall River,
which is the other way. And I went to the
tour and I couldn't do an investigation. Long story. I
was by myself and I had a room in Salem,
which was an hour north, and I was like, okay,
(26:33):
I'm not saying like I just left. And so I
did an investigation, took some videos and stuff. I went
to her grave, which was like five minutes away from
the house. I was in a cemetery by myself. I
don't know what I was thinking. Whatever, I filmed and
then I made a little video about it. But no,
I have not yet been able to investigate the house.
I need to.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And the fact that people can stay at the house,
it's like a bed and breakfast is so oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Oh yeah, they made they we were walking through when
I was like, wait a minute, people, what and they
were like, this is one of the rooms and they
were like that's where her father died. I was like,
why would I Why would I do that?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Why would you want to sleep in bed with this
man died it.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I was just like, this is great, but it was
a beautiful house. It's just I would not be able
to stay in the house over night, but I definitely
would want to investigate it. They have investigations like every night.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I just yeah, wait, I'm just having a I just
got a download or a flashback. Wasn't Anne, but only
the reason why she was beheaded because she couldn't get
the king any sons.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Okay. He had six wives that he treated like shit.
So I'm not certain that she was the one. I
know that he thought that she was cheating on him
and without me proof and he was like, offer her head.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yes, I remember that story, but she might have been.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
One of the ones without the with the sons. I'm
just not sure. I just know he had six and
he treated them all that crowd.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay, so talk about spiritual war Texas because I thought
this was very interesting too, because you try to stay
away from him. Yeah, some locations do have four Texas,
and I don't encounter them very often, thank goodness. It's
basically the beast way. For me to explain it, it's
just like.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
A portal, a ball of energy that could lead to anywhere.
Spirits can come in and out of it. I do,
and I think, Okay, I do, and it's because I'm
usually able to identify when there is one, and that
usually like because I rarely encounter them, and it's like
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they can come in and out. It's like a doorway,
energetic doorway. So let's say, like years ago, I did
an investigation Ontario, California, and they were like another site
that she was like, I think there's a portal. There's
like this cowboy in here that doesn't belong here. He
just kind of was like, what's happening in and out?
In and out? And yeah, my friend in northern California,
she has she has this airbnb. It is be beautiful.
(28:55):
I am never going back to the airbnb. I rarely
ever feel sick during the investment, rarely, and that's how
I do. I was just like, yeah, I don't feel good.
It doesn't happen. And she's like, what, and I said,
we were going in the basement. I was like, is
there a portal? And she was like and she knew.
She was like, uh huh, yeah, I've had so many
(29:16):
mediums down here and there's you know, we definitely think
there's one. And I was like, it's just a lot
of energy. It makes me dizzy, it makes me feel
off balanced, and it makes me like a little nauseous.
And I was like, I got to get out of here.
And then just being in a space, she wanted me
to do investigations, like more tours. I said, I'm sorry.
I was like, I can do one more, but I'm
(29:36):
out of here. I can't. I can't do your house anymore.
And it's so beautiful too, So yeah, it's just a
it's just a ball of energy where a spirit can
enter in and out. They can come and go. But
that means there could be one hundred in there. Right,
looks like a door.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, if spirits can come in and out, would you
say that is the reason why because of the veil
is thinning.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
That's how it feels, That's how I feel, that's that's
my interpretation. And see how I say that because there's
so much ego in the psychic medium field where what
it is where it's like, no, that's my feeling. My
interpretation is that, yes, it's the veils cinner then come
in and out. I think the reason why my whenever
I'm around it, I'm like, oh, it's because there's too
many or there's too much energy in the space I
(30:19):
connected to. Not evil, but thick. There we go too much.
It's like thick and it's like you can't breathe. Another
one I had was that Montana State Prison. That was
that night I was like, I don't feel good, but
I'm not shocked. It's a freaking prison. Yeah, I was like,
what's in here? Good lord? You know how many people
(30:40):
died in there? So that one that night, I remember
feeling really sick. But otherwise when I do investigations, I'm fine.
But that's it's a good thing that that happens. That
usually means that I need to get out the situation.
If I feel sick good by I'm like, Okay, nope,
time to leaf. I'm not gonna sit here and deal
with something potentially dark.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So why is it that people are saying that the
veil thens on certain dates, and why do you why
is the veil thin?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
It's a belief of a lot of people. There's different reasons,
you know, some people say they with astrology are what else,
it's spiritual. I've heard so many different, so many different things.
My personal opinion is I think the veil ends on
like Halloween, just because of the sorry, the folklore, the legend,
(31:32):
the energy. It just feels different, not to me, not
like in a negative way. It's just like again, it's hard,
it's hard to explain. It's just it's just a different
type of energy for me that day. But in terms
of like the veil vel being thin various days of
the year, who knows. I've heard so many different theories
on that.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
So have your views of mortality change over the years.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
It's a really good question.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Listen, because you look like Oprah. I gotta get my
Oprah on baby. No, I gotta give you the best
I got.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
No. No, it's a great question.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
I'm like, how okay, yes and no it's made okay, yes,
it's made me more and put that I'm gonna say
it wrong and I always say emphatic there I think
it's right emphatic. It's made me more grounded.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
This is okay. This is an example of what I'm
trying to say. My sister, she had a dog, obsessed
with the dog had her for fifteen, you know, a
long long time. And the dog passed and I love
that dog with all my heart. And my sister was
just broken, just broken, which makes sense, This makes absolute sense.
I cried once for two minutes and I was done
(33:00):
because I felt like I understood mortality. I felt more
like I understood the afterlife. I got it. I knew
that she was no longer in pain. I knew that
she her presence was still around. So I see it
differently like that. I see it differently where I was
sat and I say, you know what, she's happy. She's
gonna be around. I feel her. She's gonna pop around.
(33:22):
She's not gone, She's forever. I have a different mindset,
so that will probably be the best way for me
to describe it. I have a different mindset, which I
do think is gonna help me as I age and
I have grief that's gonna happen all around me, people passing.
You know, I'm gonna be a little bit more control.
I'll be upset, but then I'll be more controlled. Yeah,
to understand the other side.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, okay, So before we wrap up, what are your
thoughts on UFOs, Like, have you had any experience with them?
Because I've been low key kind of fascinated with aliens
and stuff and just the history. So what are your
thoughts about it and do you even believe in them?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I definitely believe in them. I am was very terrified.
That's how I started in a paranormal because I was
so scared of UFOs when I was a child. I
was so scared. I felt like I was like, they're
gonna take me. And I started to learn more about it. Now.
It's not my specialty in a paranormal, however, I do
usually bring it up whenever I teach classes. I think
(34:17):
it's interesting. I do believe them. I definitely don't believe
that we are alone in this earth. I feel like
they're starting to show themselves more, which is a positive.
I think we're gonna see a lot more.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
See a lot more, Like they're gonna be like walking
down the street or something.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I think eventually it's gonna be a slow introduction, A
slow introduction. Yeah, I do. I just now they're we're
just seeing them more because they're just like, you know what,
they probably think low of us. They think that they
are light years smarter than us. That's just my opinion,
and they're just probably trying to time it to where
they actually probably are already here and they're just they're
(34:53):
you know, covered up because they don't want They are
able to transform themselves every as a human to where
we're not afraid. So yeah, I do believe in them.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I no, don't tell me that, girl.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Are you about to have me look at my Nigga's crazy?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
If I get a moment, I have to send you
this profile. It's so funny. It's so funny. It's these
black guys that if people look like an alien or
they're weird or something different, they start playing the men
in Black theme. It's so freaking funny. If I remember,
I'll send to you anyway. But no, I whenever I
teach and it's in my classroom next week, I talk
about it briefly. And I always talk about the story
(35:29):
of Travis Walton. Have you heard about him? The movie
The Fire in the Sky. Uh huh oh Okay, there's
a movie that came out called Fire in the Sky
came out in nineteen ninety three. It is based off
a book by a man named Travis Walton in nineteen
seventy five. And he was like, yeah, he was twenty five,
him and a group of loggers because they were loggers.
(35:49):
I think they lived in New Mexico or something. They
were going to the forest to work and they saw
something in the forest and please don't ask me why,
because I don't know why. But he got out the
car and walked toward it was like, ooh, pretty, I
don't know and it froze them. And the guys that
(36:10):
were in the truck saw it. They saw a light
shine on them, and he froze.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, because niggas ain't running up on nothing they don't
know nothing about.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
And lifted him up in the air. They were in
the car freaking out. They drove off the guy. You
got like five or six witnesses that saw this man
get lifted up because they were scared. Travis disappeared for ooh,
I gotta get my facts straight cause I gotta talk
about the next week. I think it disobebered for three days.
He appeared naked at a phone booth some miles away.
(36:43):
It's a long story, but one I say, watched the movie.
It's very good. It's it's very good. It's creepy, but
it's very good. So Fire in the Sky. He does interviews.
He was even at lily Deal a few years ago
doing the speech about his time. He's like seventy four
or seventy five now. It was so frustrating the first
year I did lily Dale. He was there, but I
(37:04):
was teaching and he was and I wanted to meet him,
and I couldn't meet the way if I was busy.
But no, he the story's fascinating because there are a
lot of people that don't believe him. So it would
be very interesting if you watch the movie and then
maybe you watch the interview, and then you like, like,
what would you think, Like do you think he's telling
the truth. I think he's telling the truth. It's it's
always been a debate over the last few years. I
(37:25):
think it's real. It's the movie is very good. He's
very detailed. But then they did a lie detect their test,
and I want to say that the guys that saw it,
I think it came back inconclusive or something. But that
could have been media at the time. They don't want
us to know about aliens. You know, we don't know,
we don't know. But yeah, so that's the story I
(37:46):
always bring up when I'm talking about UFO. So, yes,
I believe in them.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, okay, really quickly, I promise we almost.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Done, dode you believe in this.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I was going down I saw this girl.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
She was talking about different stories that she received from
people who have like supernatural experiences with either aliens or
just like just in general, right, and she was telling
this story about this guy he went to he's about
to leave, he kissed his door to kiss his wife,
and he's about to go fishing. So as he driving,
he went fishing whatever, and then like like a flash
kind of just went off, right, So he didn't think
(38:17):
nothing of it. He was like, okay, whatever, like maybe
it's just who knows, right, So when he got.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Back in, his wife was like, nigga, where you been at.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I've been trying to get in contact with you. I
I So he was like, I'm okay, Like maybe my
phone died. She was like yeah, but it's been like
a days days or something. So he was like really,
he was like maybe I must have fell asleep. I'm sorry, Blaza.
So as he walking around, he knows that it was
really quiet. So he was like, where's baby girl that?
And she was like, who are you talking about? And
he was like right, he was like our daughter, Like
(38:45):
where is she? And she was like, we never had
a child, And so he went into He's like, yo,
this was her room. So when I'm getting chills just
talking about a child. So when he went into the room,
it was like an office, like the room never existed.
So then he started going around the house and he
was looking for pictures and stuff and it was just
only him and his wife, and he was like, I
do not know what happened that day, but I know
(39:06):
I had a child. So when she was telling the story,
people in a comments section. I don't know why I
didn't say this, but people in a comments section was
saying how they remember that same flash and certain things
in their lives have altered as well.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Oh interesting, Ain't that crazy that I haven't heard before?
But they could have been. Yeah, I believe. See, I
believe in stuff like that. It's a time warp a yeah, yeah,
it to be that. There's another word. I can't think
of it right now. Time bending. There we go. Time bending.
It's similar to time it. I believe in it. It's
(39:42):
it's the reason I'm not saying is because there's a
lot of Okay. When I do my class, I always
talk about paranormal and what fits in the box, But
because I'm not an expert on some of it, I
just touch on it. So like time bending, I know
a little bit about of it, you know, But I'm like,
I'm not gonna see her in spew Lives. I got
no idea, but I believe in it. Time warp, I
(40:03):
believe in it. Reincarnation absolutely, past lives absolutely what else
is in that box? The cryptis so cryptis are like Mothman, lockness, monster, Bigfoot,
I believe. I'm smiling because my friend and I had
a debate on this. I believe that, yes, but there's okay,
(40:25):
let's back up Bigfoot. My personal belief is Bigfoot is
a gorilla that is like deformed, are different are chromosome?
That's my opinion. Like I was like, I believe it's
there's Bigfoot. I just don't know if it's like people
are like, it's a mythical monster. I'm like, I don't
know if it's a monster. I just think it's a
(40:45):
crazy gorilla.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I don't know disabled.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
My friends and even like you just called it the
gorilla disable, it's just tony. I was like, I have
to say, it's not a mythical, mom, but no, I
do believe in them. But I think there's something just
like like a chupacabra. It looks like a deranged dog,
you know that. I'm like, just maybe it's a crazy
(41:13):
dog coyote mix. So I have like a thought thought
of that. So but yeah, I believe in that.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Okay, And last but not least, I feel like we
could talk for hours because I love talking about this shit.
What would you say is the positive side of the
paranormal That people don't talk enough about.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
The historical aspect, which is why I always bring it
back to. I think it's so interesting. I think it's intriguing.
I think it's telling people's stories. That's mainly why I
do it. It's just telling their stories, you know, like
something really small. As I was walking in Salem last
year and the houses, Oh it's so beautiful and out
(41:52):
of know where, I just felt like there was a
young man standing by the fence. He looked like remember
that my movie. In my head, I thought he was
maybe fifteen sixteen. He had on like a little colonial hat,
and I could just feel and he's just laying like
leaning there and you can see him watching me. And
then it's like like good day. And then I'm just
like thinking to myself, please don't follow me, you know.
(42:14):
And then as I'm walking down the street, I could
feel him just kind of like but he wasn't like following.
It was just like curious, curious, like oh you know,
and I was like I feel him, I feel him
and feel him. And then he went back to the
gate and right they went right back to that spot.
So there's something with that space. And then I didn't
feel him anymore. And so it's but then that keeps
that there's that history, that story. So that's why I
(42:36):
do it, you know. I'm just like, wow, I wish,
you know, I wish I was there longer, Like let's
investigate that house, like what's his story, why is he?
Who is he? You know, did was there a kid
that died there? He looked like, oh, seventeen hundreds, that's
how he was dressed. Like, oh, I'd love to know
that story. I'll never find out. Probably people probably don't
even know he's there, you know, unless there's you know,
(42:56):
a sensitive But that's what I would say. And I
think people should not be so fearful of the paranormal,
and that's what I always try to teach, because there's
aspects of it where you don't have to be scared,
Like I don't do that dark demon stuff, like we
don't have to, We don't have to do that. There's
other aspects that we can look into and learn about.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, oh that was this. This was amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Thank you so much to everywhere where they can follow you,
keep up with you, support you.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yes, Instagram and Intuitive Tawny, which is kind of funny
because I'm very private and my friends were like, if
you don't make their page public, Tawi, and I finally did,
and so I'm glad I did because then people can
find me and see my stuff. So yeah, Intuitive Tawny.
I am also on TikTok with my TikTok is a
mixture of like horror, movie clips, paranormal, different things, so
that same thing add Intuitive Tawny. And then I'm also
(43:45):
on Facebook, but I don't check out as much. You
just find me under Townny Lewis, but I'd say Instagram
is definitely where you can give me.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Oh my god, Well this was such a treat, Tawny,
Like I Spoky series is definitely one of my listener's
favorite like and I'm gonna send you some links to
some of the episodes, like it's hands down, like Chef's Kids,
like Fire. So I'm so excited that had the pleasure
of having you on the show. And I just can't
wait to hear what everybody think about our conversation.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
No, thank you for having me and anybody interested in
paranormal It's okay if I mentioned some like spooky things
I did, Yeah, you know, okay. So Ghost Adventures the
Poltergeist Curse episode that one started streaming April sixteenth, so
it's streaming on Discovery Plus and Max please watch that.
I'm the medium in that episode. Also on TV. There's
(44:31):
a lot of stuff famously haunted Hollywood, I'm on, yeah, yeah, yeah,
famously Haunted Hollywood, Scariest places in America, scariest places in
the world, all that one. Those are very interesting because
they talk about a lot of the haunted places and
I'm one of the experts on all three of those,
and then there's Canadian shows A Paranormal Revenge, and then
(44:52):
My Haunted Hometown. I'm an expert on there, but yeah,
if you're interested in any of those things, please watch me.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yes, please wake sure.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
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Hey, professional homegirls, I hope all is cute. Is Shugary
ebone here and we are back with part two of
my conversation with paranormal investigator Tawny Lewis.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Now, if you thought part one was wild, wait until
you hear this one.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
In this episode, Tawnie takes.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Us even deeper into her world.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
From teaching classes at Lilydale, which, by the way, is
one of the world's oldest and most.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Famous spiritualist communities.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It's a place known for its mediums, psychic readings, and
powerful energy that draws people from all over the world.
Tawny also shared some of her places that hold the
most energy in y'all. We even got caught up in
the spirit of Marvin Gay. Yes you heard right, Marvin Gay.
And before we wrapped up, Tawny revealed the top designation
(01:15):
she's dying to explore next on.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Her paranormal journey.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So sick back, get ready because I'm a paranormal investigator.
Part two starts now, So, what's your process for preparing
for an investigation?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It depends so for a private investigation. So for example,
years ago, there was a lady who said that her
son was saying something in his room and he couldn't
go to sleep. And so at the time I was
with like a team of friends that they were professional investigators.
I did none. I'm trying to think of that. This
is years ago. I was like, listen, we're gonna go there,
go and help him. So let's just go and just
(01:51):
fill out the house healthy seven six or seven. Yeah,
the beautiful house. I wouldn't have been so mad if
I was miles like, get that goes, get out of here. Ye. Anyway,
that we got there, I did a prayer with them,
so I do a prayer before an investigation after one,
just as white light of the Holy Spirit, just make
(02:13):
sure that we're protected, because you never know what you're
walking into. And so we went in. We talked to
the family that lived there. We didn't talk to him,
and I remember him just being like, yeah, I'm scared
of my room and I can't go in there. And
then we just did a walk through the house. So
it's a long story, but just to tell you the process,
I walked through and then didn't. I felt I wanted
(02:33):
to see where I was drawn to. Instead of them
being like that's the room, it was more of being like, okay,
let's see where I feel like I want to go to.
So that's an example. So that's a private residence. If
I'm doing a I'm trying to think because it's different.
One has showed many different types. Okay, lily Dale, they're
gonna allow me a few places to investigate with groups.
(02:55):
Is not familiar lily Dale.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
She was telling me about this off the air.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I love it. So Lilydale is a hamlet community. It
is about an hour away from Buffalo, New York, and
it was I want to say, the community was built
anywhere between like eighteen seventy eighteen eighty. So all the
houses there are old. However they're like beautiful Victorian doll houses.
(03:22):
They're gorgeous. Every person that lives in Lilydale is a
registered medium. They have all been tried and tested so
in order to live there. Yeah, they which say I
said every person, Yep, everyone that lives there that they
are all mediums. I mean they're there with their husband
or party or whatever. Somebody in the house is a
(03:42):
medium and it's gorgeous. And so during summer it's like
a spiritual Disneyland. So I want to say, like from
the very beginning of June to the very end of August.
You can go. You pay a gate fee of like
ten fifteen dollars and they have different events. They have
spirit messages where people like psychics will just give you
(04:03):
messages from loved ones. You just sit there and see
if they call on you. They have that service like
three or four times a day. You can make appointments
with the mediums that live there. You just make an appointment,
you go to their house. They read you. They have classes, classes, classes,
and so they do workshops different things. Learn how to
read auras, learn how to do numerology, paranormal whatever, it's
(04:23):
It's so many everybody wants to teach in Lilydale. It
is a very prestigious place. I think every year they
get like four hundred applications and they only choose maybe
one hundred and fifty if less than that, And so
I always highlight that when talking about their posting about it,
because it's a big deal to be teaching. Some people
I can feel are jealous that you're feeling. I'm like you, guys,
(04:45):
I'm psychic. I can tell if you're jealous that I'm
teaching there. They I believe that in addition to them
having seen me work. But they realize that, you know,
it's like it would be nice to see you know
a lot more of different types, different types of people teach,
and so yeah, it's it's great. I love going they do.
(05:05):
They have a lot of how can explain it, like
they have they have so many people they're visiting that
it's cool to be like, go to my class. And
then I have like a whole bunch of walk ups
because people are like, oh I heard you were teaching.
Oh I saw you in the brochure. And so if
I have ten people that signed up online the day of,
I'll probably have thirty people on the class. My investigations
(05:26):
always sell out. The first year they asked me to go,
I did not know what to do. I had like
seventy people show up to my investigation, my mentor lived there.
Pizza Williams thank god she was there.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh my gosh, a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
That's what she does. She used to groups. She was like, tany,
I'm here, I got you what do you need. I
was like, help me, and she she was like okay,
and she's got everyone in order. She helped me with
just the crowd, like getting everyone in order. But I
was like, so that's what they want. They want to
do investigations. They saw me, they were like, she's different.
They all signed up. I had two women that were
helping me. Oh my god. I haven't never talked about
(06:06):
this on the podcast. You had two women that agreed
to help me who were also paranormal people, and their
attitudes changed. They were jealous at the turnout the people
that showed up. They were jealous. Yeah, they saw the turnout.
(06:26):
They shut down. They wouldn't they were supposed to help me.
They wouldn't help me. I asked, and this is real.
I asked one of them if she could take a
picture of the audience for me, and she said, no,
my head hurts. I swear to God that have Oh yeah,
they were very very jealous. And I'll leave it at that.
But yeah, and so I and this is that's another
(06:46):
struggle with this path for me as a being different,
as a psychedmedium, as a paranormal investigator. I have a
lot of people that are that support me, but then
there's a lot that are like, oh, she's different, so
she's taken my shine that I can feel it, I
can see it, and they're like, oh, well, what about like,
what about me. I see the same thing and it's like, well, yeah,
(07:09):
but you look like everybody else over there. Yeah yeah,
and so that oh god, I've encountered that so much.
And so that's another reason why I try to stay
out of it is and that's why I uplift. That's
actually one of the main reasons why I try to
uplift other investigator female because because of.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Your experiences with them, right.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, And so that's the little deil. Sorry I went
a little off, but I had to bring that up
because it's a big deal and people want to see
me for you. But thank god for Lisa the first year.
But I got it under control the following year. But yeah,
they now I've told them, do not let seventy people
sign up for my investigations. I try to cap it
at like twenty or thirty and then I could the
most I coul take, there's probably thirty five and then
(07:50):
I do it now two nights. The first year was
one night.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Everybody was like, oh wow, good for you, good for you.
But that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
It sounded like hearing stuff like that because I feel like,
what you don't know, You just don't know, So nobody
I never heard Lily Dale before. So the fact that
you are probably the only brownie there that are teaching
these classes and having these investigations because of who you
are and being proud of it really speaks volume. So
just being proud.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, there's only one other that I've heard. I don't
remember her name, but I believe she's the psychic medium
and she's done classes there, but not care normal. I
think she does like mediumship things, you know, and so
I was I remember being like, oh, another minority, this
is great. But otherwise I think it's just her and
I I think, and you know, there's that's absolutely no
(08:37):
dean to Lily Do. I love that place, but I
really appreciate them bringing me back every year and just
allowing different people, you know, different and I appreciate people
they like me. You know, It's so simple, but I'm like,
oh my god, they like me. They always sign up
and they always so they're like, oh, I came for you,
and I'm like last year, one lady she her and
her friend were like, we came from Ohio because we
(08:58):
saw you in the broch shure wanted to take I'm
gonna cry.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's a really good feeling especially Yeah, I mean, don't
come from me, lily Dale, but they sound pretty white.
So the fact that people are traveling just to come
see you in this predominantly white and I'm also assuming
it's a rural town.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yes, it's so you land in Buffalo and then as
you're driving, you're just like, so it's the outskirts. Yeah,
it's a trump flat.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Oh my god, right right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
So yeah, it's kind of in the country but absolutely beautiful.
And actually I would recommend it if you're ever in.
You just so happen to be in that New York area,
just like that, and it's summer, just because it's such
a lovely environment and energy and like the spirit messages
and it's not like it's hard to explain. And I
always tell people I like I would, I would just
go even if it's like two days and you're just
(09:53):
like that was that was lovely, that was nice, you know,
and then you go about to normal life.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah that's pretty cool. So I know you spoke about
before a session, but do you carry anything on you
just to protect yourself?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I do, And it's funny. I normally wear it for interviews.
I usually wear a master crystal cords because I was
wearing I lift it at home.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I have good energy. Y.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, its huge, big crystal. I'll usually wear it that.
Some people have asked me what should I wear? Is
there something I should wear? I would say, whatever you're
drawn to, and so I recommend. I would say, uh,
black termaline, that's a good plas. Yeah. Yeah, I would
say keep it in your purse. It clears negative energy.
(10:37):
On one girl, she told me like, I really like
tiger Eye. I said, see, keep that one on you.
That's what you're drawn to. But for me, yeah, a
crystal cords. I love labradite. Labadite is when I keep
that in my purse. But yeah, I definitely wear it
for every investigation. And then yeah, I do a prayer beforehand,
and then I do one before I leave the property,
just to make sure nothing leaves with us, like whatever
(11:00):
it's here, stay here, not welcome, thank you for letting
us go. Peace out. Also throughout the interview, interview investigation.
Throughout the investigation, I communicate to them on the boxes
to make it clear we're just having a communication. And
then once we're done with the communication, we're done. So
it's like, well, thank you, so much for talking to me.
(11:22):
I really appreciate. Well, you have a good day. I
hope you, uh, but stay here. And then usually they're
like okay, some just depending on how intelligent they are, Okay,
thank you or goodbye. Like the army GUYE and Gettysburg
he said thank you, I'm what do you say, I'm
I'm leaving now or I'm going to my sergeant something
(11:43):
that made it clear that he was And we were like,
did he really just say okay, I'm leaving? What the heck?
I'm just to make sure. Oh yeah, just to make
sure that nothing is like, oh, I like you, I'm
gonna follow you. You know, that's probably the most question,
the most common question. They're like, we just something follows me,
just just talked. You have to remember these are people
that lived, They walked, talked to them like a person
(12:04):
like stay here, Hi, you're not welcome by you know,
just communicate that.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's so interesting too.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
How like even though this person has transitioned, they still
have their the same personality.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, it depends like they That's what I always teach
in the classes. I'm like, you have to remember they
are still the same person that they were when they
were here in the physical, So communicate well, Unfortunately, you
might get an asshole. You might get something I don't
want to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Imagine a spirit telling you the fuck you like, I
don't excuse me.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Luckily, it's rarely happened to me, but it has happened.
And you know what I do. I say, Okay, have
a good why Because there's some people that are like, no,
you're gonna talk to me. I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
That's that's how you get followed, Like, that's how you
get like, if they I'm gonna respect them, but they
don't want to talk to me. By there's an investigation
I did years ago at Brack and Firm Manor and
(12:58):
Lake Arrowhead.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Always that's a good that's the brothel House, right.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
The brack and Firm Manner and Tudor Tudor House. Yes, yes, yeah,
I always bring that one up because of how hanted
it is. But in the basement of the Tudor House
there's something dark. I think a man was probably killed
down there and he pushed my friend, my.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Friend history about it. I love this story when you
tell it.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Oh yeah, the let me separated the bracken Fern Manor
was a brothel, right, it was. Yeah, there's all the
rooms are named after the women, so like there's Violet
and Jasmine and roads and yeah, that place creepy. But
across from it the road is the Tudor House, and
(13:41):
the Tudor House a lot of celebrities from the Prohibition
error to get away from Hollywood. They would go up
the mountain of the Lake Arrowhead. They would go to the
Tutor House and do it legal stuff, may be gambling, drinking,
sleeping with these women. If you go in the basement
of the Tutor House, the bottles are still down there,
which I thought was really cool. You see all these
(14:01):
bottles in a corner broken because what it was is
they'd be drunk and then someone would say the police
are coming up the mountain and then they would all
throw their stuff down the chute and the shoots is
in the basement to you. So you go down the yeah,
you see it. I was like, that's so freaking cool.
So anyway, in that basement there's something dark and my
friend got pushed and he was like, I'm done, I'm
over this, I'm and he left. There was oh, oh
(14:24):
my god. Another man. He was being negative, like I
don't believe in ghosts. Da da da da, just talking
and then we were doing an investigation and he started
screaming and he was on the ground and he he
did have a mark on his stomach. I questioned. Sometimes
people were like, oh, it's crash, but he did he
had a mark on his stomach. And then a few
hours later, I was supposed to take a group of
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people down there. I was like, really, do I have to?
And then I was on the team and they're like yeah.
And I got to the stairs and I said, listen,
I know you don't like people down here. I know
you don't want to see your space ghost. I was
talking to him. I said, we will be out of
here in less than two minutes. If you could just
let us show us that you exist. We will literally
(15:09):
leave a space in two minutes. And I laid the
equipment down and then they went off. So he was
basically saying, okay, I'm here, go away like that, and
I said, okay, thank you, have a good day. We left,
and I remember the group they were like, did that
just happen? I said, yeah, but that's also proof for you.
Just talk to them if you need to like a
human because you can feel his energy. He was just like, yeah,
(15:31):
I'm here, okay, look look look light up, light up, look,
uh okay, can you leave now? Like that, and I
respected it, whereas if I didn't, he probably would have
pushed me down, like my friend if I was like, oh,
I'm gonna keep walking in and messing with you, and
I was like no, I'm goodbye, thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
So imagine yeah, I'm pushed by like something that you
can't see.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, that was he was done. He was like, I'm
out of here. He's an investigator, but he had never
been physically harm right, and he was like I can't.
He left, and then the other guy. The other guy
was a jerk. He deserved that, but I was talking negative,
like this is not the room or the space for
you to be acting like that, sir. That's all. I'm
not shocked that happened.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
So, speaking of Hollywood, with all of the energy and
conversation that's surrounding it and your experience, which places in
Hollywood carried the most spiritual or hunted energy?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Ooh, there's so many places out in Hollywood. I'm gonna
say the number one that I usually bring up is
Hollywood Forever Cemetery. Yeah, I it's a beautiful cemetery.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
As a matter of cemetery tany not a beautiful cemetery.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Well, what's interesting about it, and I kind of joke
around with my friend is that it's a park. It's
called Hollywood Wait, Hollywood Forever Park or something, and I
was like, wait a minute, and you you go and
you see people eating lunch and doing yoga, and I'm like, really,
so that I will not do. I'm sorry, I'm not
(17:03):
eating lunch.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Eating lunch at the cemetery. Oh yeah, but if you.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
If you look up Hollywood Forever Cemetery, it's like a
park and see that's what That's what I membery. I
was like, it's beautiful, but I'm sorry, I'm not like
doing extracurricular things there. But no, it's full of celebrities
that have been buried there, like Judy Garland is there,
who else? Bert Reynolds, Mickey Rooney, like a lot of
the old stars from the past. And it's during COVID.
(17:30):
I was so bored. My friend and I would just
go and like walk around and try to real seriously,
I would try to like pick up into the information
about like certain celebrities, and he would look online and
confirm it, like because I wouldn't know who so and
so was. But it's definitely haunted. Absolutely. The mortuary they
have a lot of uh, what's his name. There's a
(17:52):
celebrity called last name is Valentino. He was from that
ruf Rudolf Valentino. I think he died in nineteen twenty nine,
and he has an interesting backstory. But his the area
that he's in a lot of energy. A friend of
mine we went like two years ago and did an
investigation in there. So yeah, I would tell people that's
probably the easiest if you're interested in paranormal in Hollywood.
(18:14):
It's open every day from like eight to five. Go
in there and walk around, see some celebrity grades and
try to do an investigation.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Absolutely, but you don't think that's kind of like disrespectful
when people like do these actracurricular activities or I feel like,
especially in today's time, I feel like people really don't
respect the dead.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think it's I hear you, because that's why I
was like, Ooh, I don't want to like eat have
a picnic here. They from movies there, I will say
they do movies there, but I think they have it
on a lawn on the opposite side of the Hollywood Fever.
It's a thing they do. It's like a big thing
for summer. But disrespectful. I'm hesitant to say, only because
(18:51):
they've been doing it for so long a Hollywood Fever cemetery,
and I think because of the celebrities buried there, people
are like, oh, look I'm here. Oh look, I'm sitting
next to so and so is grave, Like that's kind
of how LA is here. So I'm just kind of
like disrespectable. It depends. It's just them being very la.
(19:14):
That's the best way to describe it, because I've seen
people having lunch and I'm just like, no, like I'm good.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So yeah, yoh.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Another thing I saw on your on your Instagram page
where you was talking about Marvin Gay how people would
go to his house and people will say how they
would see him and I'm like, yo, I used to
be so obsessed with it.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That's one thing that I think would be so cool.
And that's one thing that bothers me is that there's
not enough black stories being shot talked about on these
paranormal shows. Yeah, it's well, you know, but yeah, he
was killed in his.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
House by his father, right.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
His father's house. That's all I was like, letna be
back up his father's I might be wrong. I'm so sorry.
I don't have this ready. He I know that his
there's a house in West Adams here in Los Angeles.
Wes Adams was an affluent African American community back in
the nineteen forties. Yeah, and I know Haddie McDaniel live there,
and the house is gorgeous, and him and his dad,
(20:10):
I don't think they ever got along. And one day
they got into a fight and his dad shot him
and Marvin died in the house. And so it's from
my understanding, it's never been investigated, but they have done
movies in that vicinity where I've seen stories like there's
one actress that said that she always felt really uncomfortable,
she felt like someone was watching her. And I've always
been like, can I investigate, please someone else. So it's
(20:31):
one thing, one place I think is very very interesting
that I do believe has If not, I don't know.
I wouldn't say Marvin's haunting it, but I definitely believe
there's some residual energy there because he was shot and killed,
which was a very traumatic event clearly, and so it
would be interesting to go in there. And I bet
you a psychic would feel that. They'd probably walk in
and be like, oh, like I feel like that's kind
(20:51):
of like that residual dor, Like I literally just feel
like someone shot me. But that's a place I think
would be very interesting to investigate.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, and a crazy thing is is one of the
things that you put on on your Instagram page, is
that how he wants? He tried to commit suicide? Like
four times already, I think so, yeah, yeah, multiple times.
Should I say he had a lot of issues in it?
I don't know too much about Marvin, like I like,
I wasn't like a fan of his music or anything.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I think he's very talented individual. But it was interesting
like research. Again, I was like, Wow, he had a
lot of problems, like a lot of demons and at
some point in his life to where who knows, who
knows what went on in that house to where his
dad felt like he needed to shoot.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
His own child, especially through the heart at that.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
See, yes, like what happened? What was he saying? What
was his energy? Like? Like what brought him that low.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
So yeah, yeah, Now, what are some places on your
list of scariest or most hunted places that you want
to visit around the world.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh, people think I'm crazy. The Velesca Axe Murderhouse. What's that? Oh? Okay,
it's in Iowa. Oh I was gonna mixed up, I girl,
that's why, haven't bet that's what I haven't been. I
think it's Iowa and it's yeah, a family of I
want to say six or seven. I might be wrong,
(22:07):
but some person came and murdered like the whole family,
the husband, the wife, and like six kids. And they
say that house is just active, mostly of the kids
and a lot. You could spend the night there. I
was like, what, I don't want to spend the night.
I just just nosy and want to investigate it. But yeah,
they spend the night there and there it's very active.
So that's why I was always interested where like people say,
(22:28):
they get a lot of activity there. So that's one
I've always wanted to investigate. The Tower of London because
they say, like, what do you call it? What's her name?
Oh my god, I can't think of her name right now.
So she was beheaded a queen or she would be
headed or whatever. Sorry I popped in my head. What's
her name? A queen was beheaded and they say that
(22:51):
they see her walking around the Tower of London with
no head. Yeah, it's bothering me that I can't think
of her name right now because I'm very into like
her story. But yes, we had it and I'm trying
to think right now if I can think of it. Whatever,
And uh, that's place Tower of London and then anywhere
in Scotland because I like castles and I have never
(23:12):
been in one, and I feel drawn to them. So
I'm hoping that one day I get to investigate a castle.
Queen and Boylan her and Bolan Okay, yeah and Bolan
that's the one says she. They say they see her
walking around. I was like interesting, so but yeah, those
are That's the top like top of my head. For years,
(23:32):
I wanted to investigate the Whaley House, which is in
San Diego, and I've done it multiple times over the years.
But I remember being young, like Waiting House, Whaley House.
But I would recommend that to anybody that with that. Oh,
the Whale House is in San Diego, so from from me,
it's two hours south. It's was building eighteen I want
to say, like eighteen fifty. It's been a few things.
(23:53):
It was like a courthouse at one point. Then I
think it was like a general store. It was a
few things, but it sounds like from history it was
kind of always haunted because the people the way family
lived there in like the late eighteen hundreds, and they
thought it was haunted at the time, and then they
all started dying. There was a little girl that got
(24:13):
I think she got choked by what do you call
it something? She was running outside. I think she got choked,
so that a little girl died there. They had a
daughter named Violet Hear. Her fiance called off the engagement,
so she went to the top floor and jumped out
the window from depression. She didn't die and was upset
she didn't die, so she ran back in the house
(24:35):
and found her father's shotgun and shot herself, and she
died on the sofa. Then the mother. Different things happened there.
It was just tragedy. Tragedy, But that is one of
the most active places I've ever been. It is a
museum during the day, so you can walk through me
out of their hair in thirty minutes. You go in there,
you'll be like, I'm just here to look at the museum.
You go in and out. But at night when they
(24:56):
have investigations, they like to talk. They like to communicate,
especially the one that shot herself in the stomach. She's
the most active one. My experience, they years ago. I
was with my best friend and we always thought this
was interesting. We were doing investigation and we were getting
a lot of hits from a Indian girl, at least
from the responses, and we told the guide and he says, wow,
(25:19):
he said, that's crazy. He said, she never comes out
when we do investigations. He said there was he's my
best friend. My best friend is Latino, and so he
was darker. And then she saw and he said she
never comes out. And he said the Walies had a
maid and it was the Indian girl. And he said
(25:39):
they made her sleep in a separate quarter of the house,
which is where we were, which is now the courtroom.
And they used to be and I remember how talkative
she or it was years ago responsive and my friend
was like, she taught to us because we were different
and we weren't. She was like, oh, look at these
two there their skin is close to mine, you know,
And I never forgot that. Yeah, she was talking to us,
(26:03):
but you know, a Whalley house san Diego strongly and
I would recommend you look it up to you'd be like,
it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, but THEND you go to Lizzy Bordon's house too.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I did, but it was more like I was I
had to go. Okay. I went to Salem, Massachusetts, and
I was like, you know what, I'm going to rental
car literally for six hours and drive to Fall River,
which is the other way. And I went to the
tour and I couldn't do an investigation. Long story. I
was by myself and I had a room in Salem,
which was an hour north, and I was like, okay,
(26:33):
I'm not saying like I just left. And so I
did an investigation, took some videos and stuff. I went
to her grave, which was like five minutes away from
the house. I was in a cemetery by myself. I
don't know what I was thinking. Whatever, I filmed and
then I made a little video about it. But no,
I have not yet been able to investigate the house.
I need to.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And the fact that people can stay at the house,
it's like a bed and breakfast is so oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Oh yeah, they made they we were walking through when
I was like, wait a minute, people, what and they
were like, this is one of the rooms and they
were like that's where her father died. I was like,
why would I Why would I do that?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Why would you want to sleep in bed with this
man died it.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I was just like, this is great, but it was
a beautiful house. It's just I would not be able
to stay in the house over night, but I definitely
would want to investigate it. They have investigations like every night.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I just yeah, wait, I'm just having a I just
got a download or a flashback. Wasn't Anne, but only
the reason why she was beheaded because she couldn't get
the king any sons.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Okay. He had six wives that he treated like shit.
So I'm not certain that she was the one. I
know that he thought that she was cheating on him
and without me proof and he was like, offer her head.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yes, I remember that story, but she might have been.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
One of the ones without the with the sons. I'm
just not sure. I just know he had six and
he treated them all that crowd.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay, so talk about spiritual war Texas because I thought
this was very interesting too, because you try to stay
away from him. Yeah, some locations do have four Texas,
and I don't encounter them very often, thank goodness. It's
basically the beast way. For me to explain it, it's
just like.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
A portal, a ball of energy that could lead to anywhere.
Spirits can come in and out of it. I do,
and I think, Okay, I do, and it's because I'm
usually able to identify when there is one, and that
usually like because I rarely encounter them, and it's like
(28:32):
they can come in and out. It's like a doorway,
energetic doorway. So let's say, like years ago, I did
an investigation Ontario, California, and they were like another site
that she was like, I think there's a portal. There's
like this cowboy in here that doesn't belong here. He
just kind of was like, what's happening in and out?
In and out? And yeah, my friend in northern California,
she has she has this airbnb. It is be beautiful.
(28:55):
I am never going back to the airbnb. I rarely
ever feel sick during the investment, rarely, and that's how
I do. I was just like, yeah, I don't feel good.
It doesn't happen. And she's like, what, and I said,
we were going in the basement. I was like, is
there a portal? And she was like and she knew.
She was like, uh huh, yeah, I've had so many
(29:16):
mediums down here and there's you know, we definitely think
there's one. And I was like, it's just a lot
of energy. It makes me dizzy, it makes me feel
off balanced, and it makes me like a little nauseous.
And I was like, I got to get out of here.
And then just being in a space, she wanted me
to do investigations, like more tours. I said, I'm sorry.
I was like, I can do one more, but I'm
(29:36):
out of here. I can't. I can't do your house anymore.
And it's so beautiful too, So yeah, it's just a
it's just a ball of energy where a spirit can
enter in and out. They can come and go. But
that means there could be one hundred in there. Right,
looks like a door.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, if spirits can come in and out, would you
say that is the reason why because of the veil
is thinning.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
That's how it feels, That's how I feel, that's that's
my interpretation. And see how I say that because there's
so much ego in the psychic medium field where what
it is where it's like, no, that's my feeling. My
interpretation is that, yes, it's the veils cinner then come
in and out. I think the reason why my whenever
I'm around it, I'm like, oh, it's because there's too
many or there's too much energy in the space I
(30:19):
connected to. Not evil, but thick. There we go too much.
It's like thick and it's like you can't breathe. Another
one I had was that Montana State Prison. That was
that night I was like, I don't feel good, but
I'm not shocked. It's a freaking prison. Yeah, I was like,
what's in here? Good lord? You know how many people
(30:40):
died in there? So that one that night, I remember
feeling really sick. But otherwise when I do investigations, I'm fine.
But that's it's a good thing that that happens. That
usually means that I need to get out the situation.
If I feel sick good by I'm like, Okay, nope,
time to leaf. I'm not gonna sit here and deal
with something potentially dark.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So why is it that people are saying that the
veil thens on certain dates, and why do you why
is the veil thin?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
It's a belief of a lot of people. There's different reasons,
you know, some people say they with astrology are what else,
it's spiritual. I've heard so many different, so many different things.
My personal opinion is I think the veil ends on
like Halloween, just because of the sorry, the folklore, the legend,
(31:32):
the energy. It just feels different, not to me, not
like in a negative way. It's just like again, it's hard,
it's hard to explain. It's just it's just a different
type of energy for me that day. But in terms
of like the veil vel being thin various days of
the year, who knows. I've heard so many different theories
on that.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
So have your views of mortality change over the years.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
It's a really good question.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Listen, because you look like Oprah. I gotta get my
Oprah on baby. No, I gotta give you the best
I got.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
No. No, it's a great question.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
I'm like, how okay, yes and no it's made okay, yes,
it's made me more and put that I'm gonna say
it wrong and I always say emphatic there I think
it's right emphatic. It's made me more grounded.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
This is okay. This is an example of what I'm
trying to say. My sister, she had a dog, obsessed
with the dog had her for fifteen, you know, a
long long time. And the dog passed and I love
that dog with all my heart. And my sister was
just broken, just broken, which makes sense, This makes absolute sense.
I cried once for two minutes and I was done
(33:00):
because I felt like I understood mortality. I felt more
like I understood the afterlife. I got it. I knew
that she was no longer in pain. I knew that
she her presence was still around. So I see it
differently like that. I see it differently where I was
sat and I say, you know what, she's happy. She's
gonna be around. I feel her. She's gonna pop around.
(33:22):
She's not gone, She's forever. I have a different mindset,
so that will probably be the best way for me
to describe it. I have a different mindset, which I
do think is gonna help me as I age and
I have grief that's gonna happen all around me, people passing.
You know, I'm gonna be a little bit more control.
I'll be upset, but then I'll be more controlled. Yeah,
to understand the other side.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, okay, So before we wrap up, what are your
thoughts on UFOs, Like, have you had any experience with them?
Because I've been low key kind of fascinated with aliens
and stuff and just the history. So what are your
thoughts about it and do you even believe in them?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I definitely believe in them. I am was very terrified.
That's how I started in a paranormal because I was
so scared of UFOs when I was a child. I
was so scared. I felt like I was like, they're
gonna take me. And I started to learn more about it. Now.
It's not my specialty in a paranormal, however, I do
usually bring it up whenever I teach classes. I think
(34:17):
it's interesting. I do believe them. I definitely don't believe
that we are alone in this earth. I feel like
they're starting to show themselves more, which is a positive.
I think we're gonna see a lot more.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
See a lot more, Like they're gonna be like walking
down the street or something.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I think eventually it's gonna be a slow introduction, A
slow introduction. Yeah, I do. I just now they're we're
just seeing them more because they're just like, you know what,
they probably think low of us. They think that they
are light years smarter than us. That's just my opinion,
and they're just probably trying to time it to where
they actually probably are already here and they're just they're
(34:53):
you know, covered up because they don't want They are
able to transform themselves every as a human to where
we're not afraid. So yeah, I do believe in them.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I no, don't tell me that, girl.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Are you about to have me look at my Nigga's crazy?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
If I get a moment, I have to send you
this profile. It's so funny. It's so funny. It's these
black guys that if people look like an alien or
they're weird or something different, they start playing the men
in Black theme. It's so freaking funny. If I remember,
I'll send to you anyway. But no, I whenever I
teach and it's in my classroom next week, I talk
about it briefly. And I always talk about the story
(35:29):
of Travis Walton. Have you heard about him? The movie
The Fire in the Sky. Uh huh oh Okay, there's
a movie that came out called Fire in the Sky
came out in nineteen ninety three. It is based off
a book by a man named Travis Walton in nineteen
seventy five. And he was like, yeah, he was twenty five,
him and a group of loggers because they were loggers.
(35:49):
I think they lived in New Mexico or something. They
were going to the forest to work and they saw
something in the forest and please don't ask me why,
because I don't know why. But he got out the
car and walked toward it was like, ooh, pretty, I
don't know and it froze them. And the guys that
(36:10):
were in the truck saw it. They saw a light
shine on them, and he froze.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, because niggas ain't running up on nothing they don't
know nothing about.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
And lifted him up in the air. They were in
the car freaking out. They drove off the guy. You
got like five or six witnesses that saw this man
get lifted up because they were scared. Travis disappeared for ooh,
I gotta get my facts straight cause I gotta talk
about the next week. I think it disobebered for three days.
He appeared naked at a phone booth some miles away.
(36:43):
It's a long story, but one I say, watched the movie.
It's very good. It's it's very good. It's creepy, but
it's very good. So Fire in the Sky. He does interviews.
He was even at lily Deal a few years ago
doing the speech about his time. He's like seventy four
or seventy five now. It was so frustrating the first
year I did lily Dale. He was there, but I
(37:04):
was teaching and he was and I wanted to meet him,
and I couldn't meet the way if I was busy.
But no, he the story's fascinating because there are a
lot of people that don't believe him. So it would
be very interesting if you watch the movie and then
maybe you watch the interview, and then you like, like,
what would you think, Like do you think he's telling
the truth. I think he's telling the truth. It's it's
always been a debate over the last few years. I
(37:25):
think it's real. It's the movie is very good. He's
very detailed. But then they did a lie detect their test,
and I want to say that the guys that saw it,
I think it came back inconclusive or something. But that
could have been media at the time. They don't want
us to know about aliens. You know, we don't know,
we don't know. But yeah, so that's the story I
(37:46):
always bring up when I'm talking about UFO. So, yes,
I believe in them.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, okay, really quickly, I promise we almost.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Done, dode you believe in this.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I was going down I saw this girl.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
She was talking about different stories that she received from
people who have like supernatural experiences with either aliens or
just like just in general, right, and she was telling
this story about this guy he went to he's about
to leave, he kissed his door to kiss his wife,
and he's about to go fishing. So as he driving,
he went fishing whatever, and then like like a flash
kind of just went off, right, So he didn't think
(38:17):
nothing of it. He was like, okay, whatever, like maybe
it's just who knows, right, So when he got.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Back in, his wife was like, nigga, where you been at.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I've been trying to get in contact with you. I
I So he was like, I'm okay, Like maybe my
phone died. She was like yeah, but it's been like
a days days or something. So he was like really,
he was like maybe I must have fell asleep. I'm sorry, Blaza.
So as he walking around, he knows that it was
really quiet. So he was like, where's baby girl that?
And she was like, who are you talking about? And
he was like right, he was like our daughter, Like
(38:45):
where is she? And she was like, we never had
a child, And so he went into He's like, yo,
this was her room. So when I'm getting chills just
talking about a child. So when he went into the room,
it was like an office, like the room never existed.
So then he started going around the house and he
was looking for pictures and stuff and it was just
only him and his wife, and he was like, I
do not know what happened that day, but I know
(39:06):
I had a child. So when she was telling the story,
people in a comments section. I don't know why I
didn't say this, but people in a comments section was
saying how they remember that same flash and certain things
in their lives have altered as well.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Oh interesting, Ain't that crazy that I haven't heard before?
But they could have been. Yeah, I believe. See, I
believe in stuff like that. It's a time warp a yeah, yeah,
it to be that. There's another word. I can't think
of it right now. Time bending. There we go. Time bending.
It's similar to time it. I believe in it. It's
(39:42):
it's the reason I'm not saying is because there's a
lot of Okay. When I do my class, I always
talk about paranormal and what fits in the box, But
because I'm not an expert on some of it, I
just touch on it. So like time bending, I know
a little bit about of it, you know, But I'm like,
I'm not gonna see her in spew Lives. I got
no idea, but I believe in it. Time warp, I
(40:03):
believe in it. Reincarnation absolutely, past lives absolutely what else
is in that box? The cryptis so cryptis are like Mothman, lockness, monster, Bigfoot,
I believe. I'm smiling because my friend and I had
a debate on this. I believe that, yes, but there's okay,
(40:25):
let's back up Bigfoot. My personal belief is Bigfoot is
a gorilla that is like deformed, are different are chromosome?
That's my opinion. Like I was like, I believe it's
there's Bigfoot. I just don't know if it's like people
are like, it's a mythical monster. I'm like, I don't
know if it's a monster. I just think it's a
(40:45):
crazy gorilla.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I don't know disabled.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
My friends and even like you just called it the
gorilla disable, it's just tony. I was like, I have
to say, it's not a mythical, mom, but no, I
do believe in them. But I think there's something just
like like a chupacabra. It looks like a deranged dog,
you know that. I'm like, just maybe it's a crazy
(41:13):
dog coyote mix. So I have like a thought thought
of that. So but yeah, I believe in that.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Okay, And last but not least, I feel like we
could talk for hours because I love talking about this shit.
What would you say is the positive side of the
paranormal That people don't talk enough about.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
The historical aspect, which is why I always bring it
back to. I think it's so interesting. I think it's intriguing.
I think it's telling people's stories. That's mainly why I
do it. It's just telling their stories, you know, like
something really small. As I was walking in Salem last
year and the houses, Oh it's so beautiful and out
(41:52):
of know where, I just felt like there was a
young man standing by the fence. He looked like remember
that my movie. In my head, I thought he was
maybe fifteen sixteen. He had on like a little colonial hat,
and I could just feel and he's just laying like
leaning there and you can see him watching me. And
then it's like like good day. And then I'm just
like thinking to myself, please don't follow me, you know.
(42:14):
And then as I'm walking down the street, I could
feel him just kind of like but he wasn't like following.
It was just like curious, curious, like oh you know,
and I was like I feel him, I feel him
and feel him. And then he went back to the
gate and right they went right back to that spot.
So there's something with that space. And then I didn't
feel him anymore. And so it's but then that keeps
that there's that history, that story. So that's why I
(42:36):
do it, you know. I'm just like, wow, I wish,
you know, I wish I was there longer, Like let's
investigate that house, like what's his story, why is he?
Who is he? You know, did was there a kid
that died there? He looked like, oh, seventeen hundreds, that's
how he was dressed. Like, oh, I'd love to know
that story. I'll never find out. Probably people probably don't
even know he's there, you know, unless there's you know,
(42:56):
a sensitive But that's what I would say. And I
think people should not be so fearful of the paranormal,
and that's what I always try to teach, because there's
aspects of it where you don't have to be scared,
Like I don't do that dark demon stuff, like we
don't have to, We don't have to do that. There's
other aspects that we can look into and learn about.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, oh that was this. This was amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Thank you so much to everywhere where they can follow you,
keep up with you, support you.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yes, Instagram and Intuitive Tawny, which is kind of funny
because I'm very private and my friends were like, if
you don't make their page public, Tawi, and I finally did,
and so I'm glad I did because then people can
find me and see my stuff. So yeah, Intuitive Tawny.
I am also on TikTok with my TikTok is a
mixture of like horror, movie clips, paranormal, different things, so
that same thing add Intuitive Tawny. And then I'm also
(43:45):
on Facebook, but I don't check out as much. You
just find me under Townny Lewis, but I'd say Instagram
is definitely where you can give me.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Oh my god, Well this was such a treat, Tawny,
Like I Spoky series is definitely one of my listener's
favorite like and I'm gonna send you some links to
some of the episodes, like it's hands down, like Chef's Kids,
like Fire. So I'm so excited that had the pleasure
of having you on the show. And I just can't
wait to hear what everybody think about our conversation.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
No, thank you for having me and anybody interested in
paranormal It's okay if I mentioned some like spooky things
I did, Yeah, you know, okay. So Ghost Adventures the
Poltergeist Curse episode that one started streaming April sixteenth, so
it's streaming on Discovery Plus and Max please watch that.
I'm the medium in that episode. Also on TV. There's
(44:31):
a lot of stuff famously haunted Hollywood, I'm on, yeah, yeah, yeah,
famously Haunted Hollywood, Scariest places in America, scariest places in
the world, all that one. Those are very interesting because
they talk about a lot of the haunted places and
I'm one of the experts on all three of those,
and then there's Canadian shows A Paranormal Revenge, and then
(44:52):
My Haunted Hometown. I'm an expert on there, but yeah,
if you're interested in any of those things, please watch me.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yes, please wake sure.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
We support our professional homegirls, and if you have any questions, comments,
or concerns, you know where to find me at. So
until next time, everyone, Later, thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
You're gonna say bye bye.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Sorry said thank you. I gave you a right.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
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