August 17, 2022 • 43 mins
Zombies 3 star Terry Hu joins Pridecast as Terry and Jonathan bond over being the first to portray lgbtq+ characters on their respective networks, Disney and Hallmark. There’s a lot of laughs as they compare audition and commercial horror stories. Terry’s big lie, Jonathan’s big puke, and what does neuroscience have to do with it all?!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is podcast with Jonathan Bennett James on I Heart Radio.
What's Up? Everybody was on a podcast. I'm your host
Jonathan Bennett, joined by my husband, the one and only, talented,
gorgeous hunk of a man, Meat, the Sexy, the long
Legged Giraffe Elf himself James Vaughan. Hello, gorgeous giraffe Elf. Yeah,
(00:27):
because you have big ears and you're really tall, so
you're a giraffe Elf. Thanks, my love, sexiest giraffe I've
ever seen. My husband walking around naked in the backyard
is the hottest thing I'll ever see because he's just
all legs and his gorgeous and he's got these cute
little sticky out of ears that stick out from behind
when you look at him, and he just looks like
(00:49):
such an adorable draft Elf, and I love him so much.
This is not what this episode was supposed to be about.
This is what we're talking about. We're talking about when
we got home from Okay, we're gonna back it up.
So we got home recently from our trip on outbound. Wait,
you got to explain to some people what's going on.
You're not here right now. You're in Vancouver filming a movie.
(01:09):
I'm in Vancouver filming a Hallmark movie that we can't
say what it is yet, but I'm in Vancouver shooting
another Hallmark movie and it's going to be big news.
Can't wait to tell everyone about it. Um And James
is in Palm Springs with the baby Brad who was
by the way at the groomers right now, and the
groomers bring him. He hates but it's like really hot.
(01:30):
So the only nice thing to do for our son
is to make sure that he's like shaved down, real short,
so he's nice and cool outside. So so cut his
hair like every four weeks. We just got back last
week from our tour abroad with Outbound, right, James. We
went to Berlin, Amsterdam, all these different cities and we
got back to our house. Name some of those cities
in between, baby Nope, I can't pronounce together. They all
(01:55):
looked like one to me. But our three week trip
from Berlin prior to Amster Dan Prye, that was a
cruise and it was amazing. But yes, we had been
gone for three weeks and then we got home that
it happened three weeks. We opened the garage door and
I'm like and our air has been kind of you know,
(02:15):
set at like nineties so we can save money on
the air conditioning. So I try to set the air
at ninety and then Jonathan goes into the app and
knocks it back down like somebody's in the house. I
don't like it. I don't want my stuff to get hot.
Um okay, So we we pull in the garage. We
opened the garage door and immediately we smell something and
I'm like, what is this smell? It smells like rotten laundry,
(02:38):
like you know when you take wet towels and put
them in like a dirty hamper and then you leave
for a week and it's got like mildew smell. So
I thought that's what it was. And I was like, oh,
we must have left dirty wet clothes. I checked the
washing machine, I checked the dryer, I checked the hamper. Nothing.
So then we go in the house and I'm like, oh,
it's kind of stinky in here, and so I run
the garbage disposal. I do all the things and I'm like,
(03:00):
what is that smell? What is that smell? James? What
was the smell? What did you do? You open something?
We can't figure out what it is, and we're like, man,
this is nuts. And I'm like, well, let me just
grab a drink because I'm thirsty. So I opened up
the refrigerator and oh my gosh. You know when you
watched the crime shows and they talk about how they
opened up something and they could smell the dead body
(03:21):
that had been in there for weeks. That is what
the refrigerator smelled like. Because for three weeks, the refrigerator
had died and had begun baking all of the dogs food,
which is all like like meats and farmers and stuff.
It's all frozen in there, and so it all melted.
(03:42):
And now all these meats for three weeks have been
baking in the heat in the house. Go ahead, baby, turkey, chicken,
and duck, all baking. Go on. He doesn't need duck.
What are you talking about. I would never know there's
ducks in there from the original. There shouldn't. They're too cute.
We can't hate to dug nothing, Look quick, wax. Well, anyway,
(04:03):
I'm glad they're gone. If there were in there, so
they are. But here's the problem. Once you open up
that door, once that smell gets out, you can't contain it. Again.
So that smells like the little cartoons where you see
the scent and the scent like has has has like
a little feet and then it's like walking along and
like just leaving its trail. Everywhere is that and it's
the worst smell. Scent has been in the entire house.
(04:27):
For the past several days. We have burned candles. We
have burned uh and since we have what is this stuff?
We prayed, we prayed, we do centify. We are sentifying
the thing that you use Palo Cento. We've tried. We tried,
We've saged the house, We've done every we had a
priest come none of it. And I have recording because
James has a horrible gag reflex because I tried to
(04:50):
clean out the like let me get it out of
the hole and it'll stop. But like I can't handle
smells really well. So if like something stinky, like if
I the start off of an armpit or something like that,
I can't really contain myself. And so I was like,
whatever the leather guys are that go to those like
bars in San Francisco that want to like smell your
armpits and do all that stuff. James on the opposite.
(05:13):
He wants me to smell like dove soap and so
so this is James. This is actual live audio of
James trying to clean the fridge when he was cleaning
out the fridge after all the smells had happen, and Jonathan,
rather than help me, was doing this filming. I was
filming him instead. So that's what James sounds like when
(05:48):
he's cleaning out the depth and the refrigerator. And I
couldn't stop laughing the whole time. And we still don't
have a refrigerator because you can't get a refrigerator just
like next day anymore. And so um, we will have one,
hopefully by this weekend. In the meantime, I'm trying to
keep ice as ice in this little, tiny, the baby
doll fridge that we have, and so like every couple
(06:10):
of hours, I can run back to the store and
get more ice. But um, we're making it working. They're
making it work, and you are. You are in the
lap of luxury right now in Vancouver at your hotel.
So enjoy a baby because it still smells a tiny
bit like dead animals in this house. You know what
it smells. You know what it smells like at the
Sutton Place here in Vancouver. It smells like success. Yea
(06:31):
does does because you that's the smell of somebody that
booked a job. Hey o, hey yo, heyy booked and blessed,
booked and blessed. When we come back, we're gonna be
talking to another actor who has booked and blessed. And
that is the one only Terry who will be right back.
(06:56):
Welcome to poadcast. We are so excited because we have
the insanely talented, trail blazing Hollywood phenomenon, the one and
only Terry who is joining us today. What is up?
What's up? Everyone? Terry? I love your energy the minute
you the minute you you enter the room, are this
virtual room like you can feel it. You are a force,
(07:17):
you are energy. I love it. It's beautiful. You have
a beautiful, beautiful energy. Thank you, thank you. I'm trying
to channel the colors of your wallpaper. And then also
ignore the wallpaper of John my my wallpapers giving serial killer. Yes,
yes it is, and James is literally sitting in front
of the gayest wallpaper ever made in the history of
(07:40):
the world. It's podcast, it's here, it's now, It's gay.
It's fun, it's everything. It's we're cure queer everywhere all that. Yes,
get used to it. Terry. Where are you right now? Terry?
Where are you? I'm in Los Angeles Standard, I'm in
l as been class. Yeah, I do you drink ice coffee?
(08:04):
I actually don't really drink coffee? What so? But I'm
going to play along with a bit for you. Okay,
because they're way younger than us. That's why you touch like. No, no,
no, no no no, don't put that on for me. All
my friends drink coffee. I'm an anomaly. I think I
just gne't like it. Puts me an over drive a
(08:26):
little bit. Okay, I understand, I get that. Okay, that
makes sense. But here's the problem. I'm so old that
at this point, when I could drink a large ice coffee,
I can take a nap. That's how much I've been
drinking coffee and how old I am. So you know
what you have goals to look forward to, Terry. Yes,
I'm excited for my first sip of coffee as I
get yes, wait, you had coffee. No no, no no, I'm
(08:50):
hid coffee, but I'm excited to drink it and not
be affected you know. Okay, that's like my measurement of age. Fine, yeah, okay,
I'll take it. I'll take it. Now you are here,
we're talking about all things queer because we are on
Prodcast Office and we have I want to start right
off the out of the gate with something that's really exciting,
and that is Zombies three. I mean Zombies three, your character,
(09:15):
and I want to make sure I get this correct.
Is Disney's first live action Wait for it, everybody non
binary queer lead. Hello, Hello, that's why we woke up today.
That's it right there, That's the Winter Winter Chicken Dinner.
I mean, what does it feel like to be the
(09:36):
first to do this on Disney? Like Disney, It's not
like call this little independent film. Yeah yeah, yeah, Disney.
It's gonna lot Because someone told me that like a
year ago. I think I'm Disney. Like anything related to Disney,
not even a show, just like any sort of promos
or whatever. You couldn't say the word lesbian or something,
to be fair, It's not like in Zombies three were
(09:58):
like lisbian, you know what I mean, Like no one's
actually saying it, but like a coming lesbian. That's good lesbians, Um,
so we are in fact not streaming that, but I
(10:19):
do think, I mean, that's what's wonderful about it. It's
it's honestly so normalized, you know, like they did you
all watch it? Or did you watch it? Okay, So
I'm not gonna spoil anything. Okay, I'm not gonna spoil anything.
But essentially it's just very normalized, you know what I mean. Um,
And it's like not a huge deal. Um And yeah,
I mean I've been saying everyone, like on a personal level,
(10:40):
it's I think it's probably affects me more when I
hear from like fans and I'm sure you all get this,
but like that, like this means so much for me,
Like you don't understand. I'm like, oh, you know, but
when I booked it and like stuff, I was just like, oh,
like this is me, Like this is so awesome, like
how cool. I could understand it on like an intellectual
level and obviously a personal level, but I don't think
it was sustainable for me to be every day on
(11:02):
set like making history, like do I mean? And so
but it's it's honestly, I feel it most when it's
just I feel the most like in it when Obviously,
fans are like, this means so much men. I'm like,
oh okay, yes, like this is having an the factories
I think I tend to and more towards kind of
like yeah, well, I mean it's just me, like I'm
just it's just on my first feature, like playing more personally,
(11:24):
you know. So it's incredible though, obviously, And like when
I was growing up watching Disney, it's it was not
even I didn't even know what nonminary is. I didn't
know what the word bisexual was until seventh grade. And
I was like, I was like, oh my god. Yeah,
they're like they do what yeah about this? Well, I
(11:49):
think that's something that you and my husband would very
much have in common. There is that you're doing on
Disney for our non binary community, what he does on
Hallmark for our gay community. And so I feel like
y'all get that first of each Like I feel like
there's something there. We're like, y yeah, and well that's
what I was seeing Terry when you were talking, is
it's their moments when I don't really so, you know,
(12:11):
I did the first same sex kiss on Hallmark Channel
in the Christmas movie. I did the first same sex
couple on Hallmark Channel in a Christmas movie, and that's
a very specific audience and it's a very specimic area
that needs to see it and needs to see what
you said Terry earlier, which was what clap, clap clap,
normalizing it, right, So that's the that's the winner, the
(12:33):
winning thing right there. And I think what you said
is that I loved when you were describing your characters, like, yeah,
I'm non binary and up. But we don't like to
make big make a big deal out of it. I
just and and that's what we do on Hallmark Channel.
And I think that's so important, Like we don't I
don't think we said in fact, I know for a fact,
and and maybe I could be wrong. If I'm wrong,
someone come at me on Twitter. It's fine, um, But
(12:54):
like in Christmas Was one and two, we never say
the word gay. We're just gay like And I think
that I know there's two different ways to approach all
all of this and there, and I think both ways
are correct, but I think we need both ways. I
think talking about it and really being vocal about it
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is extremely important. But then I think it's also important
to have times when it just happens and we don't
mention it. And I think because hearts and minds change
in different ways, and by seeing it in different ways,
you're gonna you're gonna attach to different people differently, if
that makes sense. Absolutely No, I literally feel like this.
(13:36):
I'm gonna say this, and I feel like that a
clip of like, did you guys this is another club
no Sleep, another Clouds club No, but also that thank
you yes, an icon one person in the room, one
(13:57):
person producer Raymond with the fact okay, wait, wait Johnny,
have you not seen this? What do you say it again?
Oh my god? We need to Okay. So essentially like
I think it was for a Star. Yeah, she was
during the press tour First Star is Born, and her
like pull away quote with Bradley was like, because you know,
Bradley wanted her in the movie, but the studio didn't.
And she was like, there could be ninety people in
the room who don't believe, but you just need the
(14:19):
one in this When I tell you there's like this
like compilation video, it's like forty minutes I've her just
going and there's and there's like the same thing, and
I feel like this now, I'm like I'm Lady Gaga. Yes,
but I keep saying this, but like I think holistics
like representation is needs two types of storytelling, which is
(14:39):
one what you were saying, like something that really revolves
around the specific struggles that comes with being a minority
group or whatever. But it's just as important to have
the stories are like we're a fully fleshed character, but
it's not, uh, it's not the focal point, Like we
also have problems and issues, but it's just there you
I mean, but your your identity, in your sexuality isn't
(14:59):
based on this focal point. That's not like the story
doesn't exist only because of that. But I think both
stories are really important, you know what I mean? Yes, absolutely,
And that's why I always say the people that watch,
like the people that watch drag Race, we already got them,
Like they're already on our side. Yes, the fans of
drag Race already. I'm going for the people that have
(15:20):
never heard of drag Race, that's who I want to
help change the hearts and minds of right because it's
it's a different it's a different person, you know, just
much different things and they see representation and I totally agree,
Like I feel like just media has such influence on people,
and it's like it's in the best way, so like subtle,
like you don't even realize it's happening. But then you're like,
I'm attached to this character, like and you're like, you know,
(15:41):
I feel like there could be someone who isn't really
supportive of the gay community, for instance, and then they
see a character and they're like, I like that character,
but they're gay. How is how is that possible? Oh
my god, you get it. Thank you. That's exactly what
it is. It's it's what happens with our families. I
(16:01):
don't know how it was for you, Terry, but like
for me, so many members of my family that were
homophobic then once they realized I was gay and they
loved me and they've always loved me. There it humanized
that they go, oh wait, no, I just wasn't educated.
I just was ignorant. Ignorance not a bad word. Ignorance
means you haven't been exposed to you, you haven't learned
about it yet. And so I feel like it's very
(16:22):
that like and I'm sure you're doing that more than
you even realize. Like, yes, there's the people coming up
to you saying I feel seen, I feel represented, I
feel empowered. But then there's the other people that are going, wow,
I really like this character. Oh light bulb. Yeah, yeah, no,
I'm so happy to also congrats on being the first
on Hallmark Johnny to say that. But yes, that's so amazing.
(16:45):
I've got her in the camp of first. Yes, I like,
I always wanted to be somebody's first, you know. But
going back to what you're saying, Um, I think, uh yeah,
my family definitely, I think it was you know, my
parents are like Chinese immigrants. I think the reaction was
a little bit you know, less than ideal, less opposed
(17:05):
in a way, right, But I think, um, I do
think that there's something to that or there's definitely something
to that about just like humanization and even like me
talking to my family consistently of like I'm just me,
like you know, and stuff like that. So I think
it just takes time. But yeah, I think media does
so much and it's really I'm really happy to be
a part of it in any way. Yeah, I love
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that your name on the screen, baby, says Johnny, because like,
I never call you that, but all the Jonathan's good
friends call him that. So to hear Terry calls you,
but Terry calls you that now, and so it feels
like you'll have known each other forever. When I hear
Terry talking to you know, I love it. All of
his friends call him Johnny. I just refused. Refused, kind
of feels right. When Terry calls me that, I was
(17:49):
like a moment of like what No, I loved it.
I was like, yeah, let's go. I feel like we've
known them for a very long time. Yes in there. Wait,
So when they wrote the character for Zombies with always
non like, how did that gat written? Or did they
cast you and change it? How does it work? Great question? Yeah,
they cast me and then they changed it. So yeah,
(18:13):
because I think the like, oh, just like well why
not like whatever? You know, and it was which I
think like there was a party that was kind of
like oh yeah that makes sense, like just authentic, you know.
But really, when you think about it once again, Disney,
like for that to even have been something that they
could have done, it was like or they did, We're
okay with it? Is like you know what I mean?
(18:35):
And you know, I think it's cool because like obviously
there's so much to go like so so long to
go and so much work to be done. But I
do think that like we have been going in the
right direction, like in the past ten years or twenty years,
and I do think that sometimes I kind of like
I have like really accepting like you know, friends, friends
and stuff like that, so I kind of can almost
take it for granted a little bit. Sometimes I'm like, yeah,
(18:56):
like obviously that would make sense that you would just
like change it. But then you realize, like, wait, no,
this is like iconic for Disney, right, iconic like in
in Groundbreaking. Um so yeah, but the character has not
written the characters like open ethnicity, what you know, whatever? Wait, Terry,
can I ask, because we haven't gotten to see the
full movie yet, how do they address your character being
(19:19):
non binary in the movie or do they not? Or
they just does the characters get to be literally they
don't dress it at all, they just use I love it.
I love that because then then it just that's that's
how people learn the easiest. I think. Yeah, I will
say I think like the people that get it's like
the people who need to get it will get and
like the people who it's for will feel it. You
(19:39):
know what. I mean, because I think people have messaged
me being like the first scene where they used they,
they were like, wait, you know, maybe I'm so used
to it now, like hearing like pronouns and stuff. But
I think like, uh, it's it's you know, And I
think some people might just gloss over it actually, and
then some people might be like, yeah, what I also do.
It was for somebody's Aunt Judy that wants to like
cause a stink about instead, she's gonna see it and
(20:02):
realize because there's some people who go, how do you
use I understand how you use they and then you
realize that if someone had lost a while, you're like,
I don't know something over here, and so like you,
you use it all the time. And so for them
that Aunt Judy to see somebody using Judy actually might
be a fabulous person. I don't know. But but that
Judy I made up, it's gonna click for her too.
And there's gonna be those people that it clicks for
it and they go, oh, man, I've been a I've
(20:24):
been a butth hole about say I couldn't use this
when I really can. And then another heart in mind
has changed just from existing on screen. Yeah, I think, Um, no,
I love that example. That's an example I used for
people to walt one. I got it. I can't claim it.
I think I got it off Instagram. I got it
all something. We all got off something. Whoever started to
thank you? Also, can we bring back the word butthole
(20:45):
because that's a funny word and I don't think someone
called call someone a butthole and she's made a butthole
because something what word? We wouldn't have to beep out
later so I could say flaming the word butthole, just
like I reclaimed the word faggot. I'm like, I'm backet
and I'm saying that word butth hole. Yeah, there you go. Um,
(21:12):
maybe I think we should take a break and come
right back. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and
when we come back more with the incredible Terry Who.
And we're back with the incredible Terry Who on Pridecast
(21:33):
talking all things Zombies. Three. We're talking about the amazing,
trailblazing moments that Terry is having in the non binary
community making sure that they are seen and they represented
on the biggest screens possible. And it's so much fun. Now, Terry,
you you went to u c l A. Because you're
and you're an actor in all these crazy movies that
(21:55):
are amazing, But also you went to u c l
A And studied neuroscience. How do we go from nerve
or it's just like because I feel like maybe they're like,
you know, science, we have to like do something to
bring them back or something. I don't know, you tell me.
I want to have to wait for you all to
(22:16):
watch it on Disney because I won't spoil anything. But
my character is super intelligent. Um no serious, I'm don't
use my I'm like really now. The thing is, the
thing is I do not use my degree now, and
so I'm like that stereotype. But yeah, I mean, you
know neuroscience. Um, I was gonna go to physical therapy school.
I graduated, and then I got into a bunch of
(22:37):
schools and I had like I was considered, like I
was going to go to just one school, and then I, um,
I decided to defer for a year because I was like,
let me just keep acting like one year, like let
me just you know. And I had been acting as
a kid, like I did commercial acting as a kid,
so so it's not like I was just like, well,
let me try. It was like as a kid, I
kind of got introduced to it, so I think I
(22:58):
was like, I liked it, and I always in my
dream world was like when I'm an actor, like when
I'm an actor, But then I it's like you know
when you're younger and you're like when I'm married or
when I'm this, and when I'm that, and then you
get to your twenties and you're like, I'm here, Like
I'm here, and it's not what I thought it was
gonna be like to me. And I was like in
college being like how it be an actur if I'm
(23:18):
easing in neuroscience like, and I just was like, well,
I guess like my plan was to open up a
physical therapy clinic and like do community theater, which is
amazing by the way, Like I think that's fine, but um,
I yeah, I just decided to differ. And then I
got this job at like a startup just supporting myself
so my parents canna say anything, um and then I uh.
I won the two thousand and eighteen ABC Digital Talent
(23:39):
Competition at the end of two thousand and eighteen, and
that kind of was like sealed the deal. From me
a little of like because at that point I was
supporting myself and I felt more like emotionally okay to
officially be like noticed school because I had worked like
so long to like get into the schools, you know,
so it's hard to let that go. Where I have
so many questions from from all of that. First off, acting,
(24:00):
I need to know these commercials, what commercials clip could
we possibly find on the internet of you. To be honest,
I tried look at myself. I didn't do that, like
I went out for commercials, but I honestly did a
couple more photo shoots. I did something for Talbot's kids,
and I did I remember I was on Scholastic Illustrated
Teachers Edition cover and I like Teachers Edition, and I
(24:25):
went into class. I had obviously this crush on this
teacher and I was like I was like six years
old and I was literally like look at this, Like
I was like, oh, this is win her over. That
was like really that was fun. And then um, yeah
I did so I did one for guard Assol. You
guy don't like the medicine garden. Yeah, that was like yeah,
(24:46):
so that was that was important and big for the community. Um,
but yeah, so I did more stuff like that. I
wasn't really in too my name trying to think like
commercials were never seen ever, But commercials were at the
time not my strong game or anything. You know. Um,
I always wanted to thank you. I always wanted to
do theatrical. Yeah, the same thing happened to me. I
(25:06):
have to tell this story now because I don't know
what I'll ever get. The podcast of the one and
only commercial I ever shot, which was for Tampax tampons. Okay,
wait wait, wait, wait wait, it gets worse. So I
shot it was my first commercial gig. I was nineteen
(25:27):
or twenty years old in New York City and I
booked this commercial for Tampex portables and I was gonna
be the boyfriend to the girl that's like I am
a my period and I'm so embarious, bring my tampon?
Where do I hide it? Good thing, there's a portable
Like it was the most like like early two thousand's
(25:48):
like what like like we look back at it and
we're like just cringe, were like, oh my god, it's
you can have a tampon because a woman who need
a tampon. Like back then, the commercial was like, wait,
we're hiding, like like so dumb and so so they
put us on the roller coaster in Long Island. You
(26:11):
know that, Like roller coast? Do you know of it? Okay, James, James,
what's the thing? I get the worst of the worst,
most sickness when you come to an answer my husband's questions.
Foresrees on a on a roller coaster. They mount the
(26:36):
camera in the car and sit at us, and me
and the girl are sitting there and like, she's like
on the roller coaster and it's so dumb. She pulls
out the tamp on and looks at it to make
sure she has it and then puts it back in
her pocket, like I can take them anywhere. And I'm like,
whoa on the roller coaster and it's going around ninety degrees.
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We do it once we come back and they like
check the camera to make sure it's st rolling, Like great,
send him again. Second time, I'm like, I'm not feeling
so good because there's no break. You just went. We
just went right one after the other. Third time, I
start throwing up all over the role, all over the girl.
I'm not even kidding, I'm not suking everywhere, and She's like,
(27:26):
I have a tan Pec portable just like puking all
over in your mouth. I eat this, eat this, this
will soak it up. I'm like, no, it's not at
the portable too small and eat a wide flow like
just so dumb. And then it comes into the station
and like the crew comes running because they're watching the
(27:47):
playback and they see what's happening, come running with towels
and they're cleaning me up. And then the sag after
rep came and was like happened to be on set
and was like, oh and that was a huge sag
thing and it was just as master. But I had
to show that story because it was so stupid. I
don't want to ever get to wait. That is horrific,
And like in those moments, I just feel like there's
so many auditions or acting horror stories where in those
(28:10):
moments you're like, I will never get like I will
die here, I will actually die here, of there have
an auditions for are like I will perish in this
room like some of your worst Oh no, do you
have any of that stick out? Honestly, there was one,
but I just like it's a little physical. So it's
(28:32):
like everyone on their resume puts on special skills like oh,
absolutely soccer, because like I'm like a polo player if
you ask me, like I can play water polo. Like
my baby has soccer on his and if you watch
me and girls, you'll see his soccer kick and then
you'll know that's not a special it's true gayest kick
you've ever seen. Go on, wait that something. So literally
(28:55):
I was like I had soccer and this was like
in high school. I got this audition. It's in the city,
so I'm from Jersey and I was like in Bergen County, um,
like North Jersey and I it would take me like
three hours to go into the city if I were
taking the bust by myself, like as a kid, and
but sometimes my mom would drive me. And this one
should shown me. But I had to get a soccer uniform.
Don't have one. I asked the girl that I have
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like a cushion obviously, and literally I don't have soccer shoes.
The shoes are what makes the out there because it's
like slick. It's a cleats. You have the long socks
that are very very nerdy, honestly, but with cleats, it's like,
oh you're yeah, I was not a bot. I had
no I didn't work out like I didn't have I
didn't have played any sports. I had these like clunky
(29:35):
running shoes, like clunky you can picture like, I don't
know if you can picture clunky running shoes with like
those long in my uniform. Our school uniform is bright
yellow like cougars. So it was like bright yellow socks
with these clunky, like like black running shoes. Yeah, and
I'm so I get dropped off of my mom in
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the city. I go in and like, oh my god.
It was so horrifuct. There was this huge line of
like girls, which obviously already intimidated. I was always incommidated
by girls because I was like I attracted to all
of you. So it was like literally the huge line
of girls into this Very later I found it was
a very small room, and in the room it was
also girls lined up on the wall watching you do it.
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It's like amazing, like me. But in the literally I
was like okay, and I'm in the line, and like
I tend to like when I get in a room
and just like yeah, like yeah, hey, what's up, like
trying to play it very like cool to me, and
this one girl like in front of me. I was
just like nervous, and and this one girl starts talking
to me. She was kind of like, oh, I'm like nervous,
and I was like I was like, oh my god,
(30:37):
oh yeah, me too, like and she and I was
just and she was like, I don't like I shouldn't
be here, and I was like neither, like I shouldn't
be here either, Like you know, I just felt like
that connection of like we're in it together. And she's like,
I shouldn't be here because like I'm over eighteen and
it's like an under eighteen shoot and I was like,
oh my god, I shouldn't be here, but just like
I don't play soccer, and she was like and she
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literally like oh and kind of and I was like
uh and she I was just like oh. And I
was like do you play socture and she's like yeah,
and she was like I'm like a center or whatever.
And I was like, oh yeah, yeah, And I was
like right, all right, and like just trying to backtrack now,
Oh my god. But then at this point, I'm just
like who we got? And so essentially we start getting
in the room and she's like I see that in
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the room. It's a backdrop. It's like a still like
they're taking it was like for a Nike at if
you picture right, and like they take a picture and
they're having essentially people like pretend to kick, like kick
or if like they tell you, they ask you what
your position is, they tell you to like kick, and
then they tell you to do whatever opposed. I truly
haven't never kicked a ball in my life. You know,
(31:40):
there's like a way to kick it. And I'm there,
like so finally there's a line against the wall of
these girls and I literally like I'm on autopio at
this point, I was like I'll perish, I'll perish and
I will die, but I just have to somehow autopilot walk.
I walked on here. They're like, oh, what position. I
was like, goalie the only position I know literally what else?
I don't know anything. I don't know anything else. And
(32:00):
so literally I was like and they're like okay, cool,
Like all right, so we're gonna pretend to kick and
then just like like pretend to kick and then and
we'll get catch up and we'll do it a couple times.
And I was like, yeah, absolutely, no worries, like you
all have seen these night y foot like, yeah, it's
like the whole thing. Yeah, I did not look like
David Beck, and like I like hopped into it. I
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literally like like my foot did it like a little
like literal hop okay. And I was like and I
just did it. And then they were like and you
could feel it, like you feel yourself humiliating yourself, but
you're kind of just like yeah, and you can feel
and they were like, okay, let's do let's do that
one more time, but like really like I feel like,
just pretend you're like kicking the ball on the field.
I was like, no problem, literally like hopped into it again,
(32:47):
and they were just like okay, okay, and they'd be
like I think they might have asked me to be
like do a goalie post. And then they were like
thank you so much, like have a great day, and
I was like you as well, you as well, and
I walked out like it was miserable. I honestly like
I think about that and I'm like, that was probably
one of the most good exceriuses because it was a
friend of everyone. Yeah, good job, thanks, that's the worst.
(33:09):
Good job. Thanks. You're like, but but do you now
kind of have that moment with your success that you're having.
And I really hope that casting director just watched Zombies three.
You know what. Honestly, I hope that every single person
in that room was laughing. Yes, I know it. They're
like I would have. They were like, what like and
what position are you? I'm like, first at all? Not no,
(33:30):
not you don't play soccer, do you? When you're like
what a switch? Right? Oh my god? We have so
much pride to get into. But we're gonna take a
short break. We'll come right back and we're back on
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podcast talking with Terry. Who know Terry? This is podcast
and we like to find out from everyone because pride
means so many things to so many different people. What
does pride mean to you? Um? Yeah, I feel like
pride is probably is it? Firstly, not just one month.
(34:14):
It's like an everlasting sort of relationship with yourself, I think,
you know, um, And it's uh yeah, it's just like
feeling I don't know, it's it's feeling like it's not
like boastful or anything. It's not like I'm trying to
be in your face. It's just like I feel like
like I wouldn't like there was a while in my
(34:34):
life when I was like, don't you think if I
could be straight, I would be, you know, and then
and then I wasn't, and then I was like, no, actually,
I would still choose to be this because it's like pride,
and I think it's okay. So it's not so much
pride in being necessarily like queer, non righting. I mean yes,
I feel that too, but it's really pride and authenticity.
Like I just I really value authenticity. And I think
anyone that like like takes the you know, overcomes obstacles
(34:57):
to try to be their most authentic self, is that
is like so pride field whatever that looks like, you know,
like you deserved. It's kind of absolutely yes, And like
do you remember going to your first Pride? Like we
all remember our first Pride where we walked down to
the breade because Terry is a child baby, it was
probably just yesterday. We're like, remember your first Pride years ago? No,
(35:22):
I My first Pride was actually in l A and
it was carl Bag Jackson and Charlie xc X on
stage less Holly two thousand and sixteen. Oh my god,
let's get it. And honestly, I was just like, it
wasn't like I don't think I got to the parade
that maybe I went a little bit, but it was
like it was, you know, at the festival. I was
the festival and I kind of it was just like
I remember, it was like so blissful and I don't
(35:42):
know that I was like it's because it was just like,
oh coming, you feel this energy like I feel like
whenever you meet someone that's queer or someone that's an
ally is just like like I feel that when I
see email signatures where people use the pronouns. I'm like,
you know, it's kind of just that, like it's like
a warm feeling. It was we want you know, Yeah, Raymond,
were you at that pride, at that two thousand sixteen pride?
(36:05):
Was you probably were? Probably? Oh god, that was probably
my second I think what was your first pride, Raymond?
The one before? But I don't remember. I didn't make
it to the concert, let's just put it that way.
Got tied up, all right, But did you get to
(36:28):
the concert, because as I mean, I don't think you
ever had this moment, but as a gay, as a
member of the queer community, to see Carly Ray Jebsen
performed called Me Maybe live amongst another group of queers
and bulk is a magical, magical place to be. It was,
I've seen Carly like about and I'm going to see
her in October. But I've seen Carly like I seen
(36:48):
three times every single time seen her like. It's the
one time I couldn't even see her in the concert
because someone was blocking me. And it was somehow still
the most blissful experience I've ever had. Terry, seriously, thank
you so much for coming and talking to who is.
You are not only inspiration, but you are a lot
of fun um. So come kick up with us anytime
you want. And y'all listening, make sure you catch Terry
in Zombies three if you haven't seen it yet, if
(37:09):
you have, watch it again, and also in the new
season of Never Have I Ever on Netflix. And I
also gotta plug this because it's really cool. There's also
a Terry who Doll. What's not Terry who Doll, but
it's a Terry who Doll. It's the doll of your
character in Zombies three. It's a super cool thing. Trailblazing
everywhere you can. Terry, You're such a star, such a superstar.
(37:30):
I can't wait to see what comes next. So so
proud of you. Thank you for being you're doing everything
you're doing, so of course, thanks thanks everyone, Thanks Johnny. Yes,
my friends, get out here, go okay. Bye. Each week
we like to focus on someone in the community that
we can shine our big gay spotlight on members of
the community that are doing things that are extraordinary for
(37:53):
the community. People you might know or people you might
not know. James, who is this week's big gay spotlight?
All right, for this week's big gay spotlight, we got
drag race. We have, we have. The lgbt Q plus
community has grabbed the term drag race and made it
our own. And now um, we're getting a little bit
of the National hot Rod Association because Travis Shoemake just
(38:15):
became the first openly gay driver to compete at the
National hot Rod Association National Finals. Thirty seven year old
Shoemake said he was surprised by how welcoming the racing
community has been to him, and I know some of
y'all thirsty ones have already googled him and lift him
up and see that he also appears to be a
hot rod himself. He also does if you look at
his Instagram, appear to be booed up. So congratulations so
(38:37):
took on more ways than one to Travis, and congratulations
to the National hot Rod Association for to get a
little more inclusion and a place that didn't have it.
That is so incredibly cool and I'm very excited for that.
And I mean to say that we have Travis now
racing hot rods. I mean the jokes right themselves, they're
just it is the hot rod. I'll never get over
(38:59):
a hot joke because I think hot rod is a
funny word. You know, there was a strip club in
Vegas for like three minutes called hot Rods. I'm not
joking there. Did you work there? No? Did you frequent it?
We did frequent it? We did one night because I
don't think it was open for very long. It was
in a very um it was like in a weird
(39:20):
like industrial space amongst like warehouses and like I'm not
even sure they were allowed to do this type of thing.
I don't know what the licensing is as far as
that goes, But um, we went and somebody, I'll I
recall was somebody got up and performed the Elvis number
and played the guitar, but the guitar was not a guitar.
I would let you use your imagination a Hot Rods
(39:42):
what was happening? And we were like, where are we?
What is going on? What is life right now? Oh
my god? So weird. So we did meet before we
actually met. You just didn't realize that was me. Oh
my gosh, you didn't see my guitar song fantastic. I
think I would remember that. Okay, okay, now let's talk
about something that's really fun, and that is history. That's
(40:07):
set up. That set up was really good. You guys,
just go with it. Your transition. You always do this
like lightly PBS moment because I like it. I like,
I like a PBS moment. I'm I'm cheeky and I'm campy,
and I like a PPS moment. So cute the music.
Each week, before we can move on, we have to
remember where we came from. So this week in gay history,
(40:29):
something happened, and the thing that happened, James is about
to tell us, James, what happened this week in gay history?
Because you have no idea what it is. I have
no idea how elaborate Barbara Walters set up where you
would turn. However, the best moment of my Barbara Walters life,
My best moment in my life with Barbara Walters when
we were in Times Square Babe for New Year's Eve
(40:51):
and I was hosting the ball drop and they had
when the show started at six o'clock, Barbara Walters came
on all the giant jump botrons in Times Square and said,
I'm Barbara Walters and this is and it was pretty amazing,
which was this week in August of Sweden issued the
(41:16):
first family based visa for the same sex partners spouse.
This is important to us, baby, because this is the
kind of stuff that gives us rights as a married couple.
So this was actually a direct result of the June
decision of the U. S. Supreme Court to expand recognition
of same sex marriage to the federal level, which we
all know what's going on with that right now. Let's
(41:36):
just appreciate the progress at that moment in history that
was made, which meant the husband of Ambassador Mark Prezinski
was not able to travel to the United States as
a fully recognized spouse. Prasinski was an American lawyer who
served as the United States Ambassador to Sweden from two
thousand eleven to two thousand fifteen. Gotta always remember those
moments of progress so we know what we fought for
(41:58):
and what we're still fighting for. Yeah, that's right, great
sound bite, James. I really really like that. You sound
really good because I think here I can hear your
ice coffee because I'm watching you drink it, and I'm
so jealous of that ice coffee in your hand because
I'm here not with you, And if I don't have
you as my actual like sugar Shock in the morning
(42:19):
to wake me up and get me going um as
a human being, then I do need a little coffee
to give myself. I think you would have remembered my
name from hot Rod and it in fact was sugar Shock,
so good thing you would know that. Guys, this has
been Pridecast. Thank you so much for joining us. Tune
in next week when we have another amazing episode with
another amazing lgbt Q plus person. I'm Jonathan Bennett joined
(42:41):
by my husband, James Vaughn, and we want to remind
you that what do you want to remind him? Baby?
What do you want to remind you? Are gay? I
am on that scale, I am all the way I
am super gay. All right, this has been a gay time.
We'll see you next night. By L.
This is podcast with Jonathan Bennett James on I Heart Radio.
What's Up? Everybody was on a podcast. I'm your host
Jonathan Bennett, joined by my husband, the one and only, talented,
gorgeous hunk of a man, Meat, the Sexy, the long
Legged Giraffe Elf himself James Vaughan. Hello, gorgeous giraffe Elf. Yeah,
(00:27):
because you have big ears and you're really tall, so
you're a giraffe Elf. Thanks, my love, sexiest giraffe I've
ever seen. My husband walking around naked in the backyard
is the hottest thing I'll ever see because he's just
all legs and his gorgeous and he's got these cute
little sticky out of ears that stick out from behind
when you look at him, and he just looks like
(00:49):
such an adorable draft Elf, and I love him so much.
This is not what this episode was supposed to be about.
This is what we're talking about. We're talking about when
we got home from Okay, we're gonna back it up.
So we got home recently from our trip on outbound. Wait,
you got to explain to some people what's going on.
You're not here right now. You're in Vancouver filming a movie.
(01:09):
I'm in Vancouver filming a Hallmark movie that we can't
say what it is yet, but I'm in Vancouver shooting
another Hallmark movie and it's going to be big news.
Can't wait to tell everyone about it. Um And James
is in Palm Springs with the baby Brad who was
by the way at the groomers right now, and the
groomers bring him. He hates but it's like really hot.
(01:30):
So the only nice thing to do for our son
is to make sure that he's like shaved down, real short,
so he's nice and cool outside. So so cut his
hair like every four weeks. We just got back last
week from our tour abroad with Outbound, right, James. We
went to Berlin, Amsterdam, all these different cities and we
got back to our house. Name some of those cities
in between, baby Nope, I can't pronounce together. They all
(01:55):
looked like one to me. But our three week trip
from Berlin prior to Amster Dan Prye, that was a
cruise and it was amazing. But yes, we had been
gone for three weeks and then we got home that
it happened three weeks. We opened the garage door and
I'm like and our air has been kind of you know,
(02:15):
set at like nineties so we can save money on
the air conditioning. So I try to set the air
at ninety and then Jonathan goes into the app and
knocks it back down like somebody's in the house. I
don't like it. I don't want my stuff to get hot.
Um okay, So we we pull in the garage. We
opened the garage door and immediately we smell something and
I'm like, what is this smell? It smells like rotten laundry,
(02:38):
like you know when you take wet towels and put
them in like a dirty hamper and then you leave
for a week and it's got like mildew smell. So
I thought that's what it was. And I was like, oh,
we must have left dirty wet clothes. I checked the
washing machine, I checked the dryer, I checked the hamper. Nothing.
So then we go in the house and I'm like, oh,
it's kind of stinky in here, and so I run
the garbage disposal. I do all the things and I'm like,
(03:00):
what is that smell? What is that smell? James? What
was the smell? What did you do? You open something?
We can't figure out what it is, and we're like, man,
this is nuts. And I'm like, well, let me just
grab a drink because I'm thirsty. So I opened up
the refrigerator and oh my gosh. You know when you
watched the crime shows and they talk about how they
opened up something and they could smell the dead body
(03:21):
that had been in there for weeks. That is what
the refrigerator smelled like. Because for three weeks, the refrigerator
had died and had begun baking all of the dogs food,
which is all like like meats and farmers and stuff.
It's all frozen in there, and so it all melted.
(03:42):
And now all these meats for three weeks have been
baking in the heat in the house. Go ahead, baby, turkey, chicken,
and duck, all baking. Go on. He doesn't need duck.
What are you talking about. I would never know there's
ducks in there from the original. There shouldn't. They're too cute.
We can't hate to dug nothing, Look quick, wax. Well, anyway,
(04:03):
I'm glad they're gone. If there were in there, so
they are. But here's the problem. Once you open up
that door, once that smell gets out, you can't contain it. Again.
So that smells like the little cartoons where you see
the scent and the scent like has has has like
a little feet and then it's like walking along and
like just leaving its trail. Everywhere is that and it's
the worst smell. Scent has been in the entire house.
(04:27):
For the past several days. We have burned candles. We
have burned uh and since we have what is this stuff?
We prayed, we prayed, we do centify. We are sentifying
the thing that you use Palo Cento. We've tried. We tried,
We've saged the house, We've done every we had a
priest come none of it. And I have recording because
James has a horrible gag reflex because I tried to
(04:50):
clean out the like let me get it out of
the hole and it'll stop. But like I can't handle
smells really well. So if like something stinky, like if
I the start off of an armpit or something like that,
I can't really contain myself. And so I was like,
whatever the leather guys are that go to those like
bars in San Francisco that want to like smell your
armpits and do all that stuff. James on the opposite.
(05:13):
He wants me to smell like dove soap and so
so this is James. This is actual live audio of
James trying to clean the fridge when he was cleaning
out the fridge after all the smells had happen, and Jonathan,
rather than help me, was doing this filming. I was
filming him instead. So that's what James sounds like when
(05:48):
he's cleaning out the depth and the refrigerator. And I
couldn't stop laughing the whole time. And we still don't
have a refrigerator because you can't get a refrigerator just
like next day anymore. And so um, we will have one,
hopefully by this weekend. In the meantime, I'm trying to
keep ice as ice in this little, tiny, the baby
doll fridge that we have, and so like every couple
(06:10):
of hours, I can run back to the store and
get more ice. But um, we're making it working. They're
making it work, and you are. You are in the
lap of luxury right now in Vancouver at your hotel.
So enjoy a baby because it still smells a tiny
bit like dead animals in this house. You know what
it smells. You know what it smells like at the
Sutton Place here in Vancouver. It smells like success. Yea
(06:31):
does does because you that's the smell of somebody that
booked a job. Hey o, hey yo, heyy booked and blessed,
booked and blessed. When we come back, we're gonna be
talking to another actor who has booked and blessed. And
that is the one only Terry who will be right back.
(06:56):
Welcome to poadcast. We are so excited because we have
the insanely talented, trail blazing Hollywood phenomenon, the one and
only Terry who is joining us today. What is up?
What's up? Everyone? Terry? I love your energy the minute
you the minute you you enter the room, are this
virtual room like you can feel it. You are a force,
(07:17):
you are energy. I love it. It's beautiful. You have
a beautiful, beautiful energy. Thank you, thank you. I'm trying
to channel the colors of your wallpaper. And then also
ignore the wallpaper of John my my wallpapers giving serial killer. Yes,
yes it is, and James is literally sitting in front
of the gayest wallpaper ever made in the history of
(07:40):
the world. It's podcast, it's here, it's now, It's gay.
It's fun, it's everything. It's we're cure queer everywhere all that. Yes,
get used to it. Terry. Where are you right now? Terry?
Where are you? I'm in Los Angeles Standard, I'm in
l as been class. Yeah, I do you drink ice coffee?
(08:04):
I actually don't really drink coffee? What so? But I'm
going to play along with a bit for you. Okay,
because they're way younger than us. That's why you touch like. No, no,
no, no no no, don't put that on for me. All
my friends drink coffee. I'm an anomaly. I think I
just gne't like it. Puts me an over drive a
(08:26):
little bit. Okay, I understand, I get that. Okay, that
makes sense. But here's the problem. I'm so old that
at this point, when I could drink a large ice coffee,
I can take a nap. That's how much I've been
drinking coffee and how old I am. So you know
what you have goals to look forward to, Terry. Yes,
I'm excited for my first sip of coffee as I
get yes, wait, you had coffee. No no, no no, I'm
(08:50):
hid coffee, but I'm excited to drink it and not
be affected you know. Okay, that's like my measurement of age. Fine, yeah, okay,
I'll take it. I'll take it. Now you are here,
we're talking about all things queer because we are on
Prodcast Office and we have I want to start right
off the out of the gate with something that's really exciting,
and that is Zombies three. I mean Zombies three, your character,
(09:15):
and I want to make sure I get this correct.
Is Disney's first live action Wait for it, everybody non
binary queer lead. Hello, Hello, that's why we woke up today.
That's it right there, That's the Winter Winter Chicken Dinner.
I mean, what does it feel like to be the
(09:36):
first to do this on Disney? Like Disney, It's not
like call this little independent film. Yeah yeah, yeah, Disney.
It's gonna lot Because someone told me that like a
year ago. I think I'm Disney. Like anything related to Disney,
not even a show, just like any sort of promos
or whatever. You couldn't say the word lesbian or something,
to be fair, It's not like in Zombies three were
(09:58):
like lisbian, you know what I mean, Like no one's
actually saying it, but like a coming lesbian. That's good lesbians, Um,
so we are in fact not streaming that, but I
(10:19):
do think, I mean, that's what's wonderful about it. It's
it's honestly so normalized, you know, like they did you
all watch it? Or did you watch it? Okay, So
I'm not gonna spoil anything. Okay, I'm not gonna spoil anything.
But essentially it's just very normalized, you know what I mean. Um,
And it's like not a huge deal. Um And yeah,
I mean I've been saying everyone, like on a personal level,
(10:40):
it's I think it's probably affects me more when I
hear from like fans and I'm sure you all get this,
but like that, like this means so much for me,
Like you don't understand. I'm like, oh, you know, but
when I booked it and like stuff, I was just like, oh,
like this is me, Like this is so awesome, like
how cool. I could understand it on like an intellectual
level and obviously a personal level, but I don't think
it was sustainable for me to be every day on
(11:02):
set like making history, like do I mean? And so
but it's it's honestly, I feel it most when it's
just I feel the most like in it when Obviously,
fans are like, this means so much men. I'm like,
oh okay, yes, like this is having an the factories
I think I tend to and more towards kind of
like yeah, well, I mean it's just me, like I'm
just it's just on my first feature, like playing more personally,
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you know. So it's incredible though, obviously, And like when
I was growing up watching Disney, it's it was not
even I didn't even know what nonminary is. I didn't
know what the word bisexual was until seventh grade. And
I was like, I was like, oh my god. Yeah,
they're like they do what yeah about this? Well, I
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think that's something that you and my husband would very
much have in common. There is that you're doing on
Disney for our non binary community, what he does on
Hallmark for our gay community. And so I feel like
y'all get that first of each Like I feel like
there's something there. We're like, y yeah, and well that's
what I was seeing Terry when you were talking, is
it's their moments when I don't really so, you know,
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I did the first same sex kiss on Hallmark Channel
in the Christmas movie. I did the first same sex
couple on Hallmark Channel in a Christmas movie, and that's
a very specific audience and it's a very specimic area
that needs to see it and needs to see what
you said Terry earlier, which was what clap, clap clap,
normalizing it, right, So that's the that's the winner, the
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winning thing right there. And I think what you said
is that I loved when you were describing your characters, like, yeah,
I'm non binary and up. But we don't like to
make big make a big deal out of it. I
just and and that's what we do on Hallmark Channel.
And I think that's so important, Like we don't I
don't think we said in fact, I know for a fact,
and and maybe I could be wrong. If I'm wrong,
someone come at me on Twitter. It's fine, um, But
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like in Christmas Was one and two, we never say
the word gay. We're just gay like And I think
that I know there's two different ways to approach all
all of this and there, and I think both ways
are correct, but I think we need both ways. I
think talking about it and really being vocal about it
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is extremely important. But then I think it's also important
to have times when it just happens and we don't
mention it. And I think because hearts and minds change
in different ways, and by seeing it in different ways,
you're gonna you're gonna attach to different people differently, if
that makes sense. Absolutely No, I literally feel like this.
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I'm gonna say this, and I feel like that a
clip of like, did you guys this is another club
no Sleep, another Clouds club No, but also that thank
you yes, an icon one person in the room, one
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person producer Raymond with the fact okay, wait, wait Johnny,
have you not seen this? What do you say it again?
Oh my god? We need to Okay. So essentially like
I think it was for a Star. Yeah, she was
during the press tour First Star is Born, and her
like pull away quote with Bradley was like, because you know,
Bradley wanted her in the movie, but the studio didn't.
And she was like, there could be ninety people in
the room who don't believe, but you just need the
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one in this When I tell you there's like this
like compilation video, it's like forty minutes I've her just
going and there's and there's like the same thing, and
I feel like this now, I'm like I'm Lady Gaga. Yes,
but I keep saying this, but like I think holistics
like representation is needs two types of storytelling, which is
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one what you were saying, like something that really revolves
around the specific struggles that comes with being a minority
group or whatever. But it's just as important to have
the stories are like we're a fully fleshed character, but
it's not, uh, it's not the focal point, Like we
also have problems and issues, but it's just there you
I mean, but your your identity, in your sexuality isn't
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based on this focal point. That's not like the story
doesn't exist only because of that. But I think both
stories are really important, you know what I mean? Yes, absolutely,
And that's why I always say the people that watch,
like the people that watch drag Race, we already got them,
Like they're already on our side. Yes, the fans of
drag Race already. I'm going for the people that have
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never heard of drag Race, that's who I want to
help change the hearts and minds of right because it's
it's a different it's a different person, you know, just
much different things and they see representation and I totally agree,
Like I feel like just media has such influence on people,
and it's like it's in the best way, so like subtle,
like you don't even realize it's happening. But then you're like,
I'm attached to this character, like and you're like, you know,
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I feel like there could be someone who isn't really
supportive of the gay community, for instance, and then they
see a character and they're like, I like that character,
but they're gay. How is how is that possible? Oh
my god, you get it. Thank you. That's exactly what
it is. It's it's what happens with our families. I
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don't know how it was for you, Terry, but like
for me, so many members of my family that were
homophobic then once they realized I was gay and they
loved me and they've always loved me. There it humanized
that they go, oh wait, no, I just wasn't educated.
I just was ignorant. Ignorance not a bad word. Ignorance
means you haven't been exposed to you, you haven't learned
about it yet. And so I feel like it's very
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that like and I'm sure you're doing that more than
you even realize. Like, yes, there's the people coming up
to you saying I feel seen, I feel represented, I
feel empowered. But then there's the other people that are going, wow,
I really like this character. Oh light bulb. Yeah, yeah, no,
I'm so happy to also congrats on being the first
on Hallmark Johnny to say that. But yes, that's so amazing.
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I've got her in the camp of first. Yes, I like,
I always wanted to be somebody's first, you know. But
going back to what you're saying, Um, I think, uh yeah,
my family definitely, I think it was you know, my
parents are like Chinese immigrants. I think the reaction was
a little bit you know, less than ideal, less opposed
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in a way, right, But I think, um, I do
think that there's something to that or there's definitely something
to that about just like humanization and even like me
talking to my family consistently of like I'm just me,
like you know, and stuff like that. So I think
it just takes time. But yeah, I think media does
so much and it's really I'm really happy to be
a part of it in any way. Yeah, I love
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that your name on the screen, baby, says Johnny, because like,
I never call you that, but all the Jonathan's good
friends call him that. So to hear Terry calls you,
but Terry calls you that now, and so it feels
like you'll have known each other forever. When I hear
Terry talking to you know, I love it. All of
his friends call him Johnny. I just refused. Refused, kind
of feels right. When Terry calls me that, I was
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like a moment of like what No, I loved it.
I was like, yeah, let's go. I feel like we've
known them for a very long time. Yes in there. Wait,
So when they wrote the character for Zombies with always
non like, how did that gat written? Or did they
cast you and change it? How does it work? Great question? Yeah,
they cast me and then they changed it. So yeah,
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because I think the like, oh, just like well why
not like whatever? You know, and it was which I
think like there was a party that was kind of
like oh yeah that makes sense, like just authentic, you know.
But really, when you think about it once again, Disney,
like for that to even have been something that they
could have done, it was like or they did, We're
okay with it? Is like you know what I mean?
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And you know, I think it's cool because like obviously
there's so much to go like so so long to
go and so much work to be done. But I
do think that like we have been going in the
right direction, like in the past ten years or twenty years,
and I do think that sometimes I kind of like
I have like really accepting like you know, friends, friends
and stuff like that, so I kind of can almost
take it for granted a little bit. Sometimes I'm like, yeah,
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like obviously that would make sense that you would just
like change it. But then you realize, like, wait, no,
this is like iconic for Disney, right, iconic like in
in Groundbreaking. Um so yeah, but the character has not
written the characters like open ethnicity, what you know, whatever? Wait, Terry,
can I ask, because we haven't gotten to see the
full movie yet, how do they address your character being
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non binary in the movie or do they not? Or
they just does the characters get to be literally they
don't dress it at all, they just use I love it.
I love that because then then it just that's that's
how people learn the easiest. I think. Yeah, I will
say I think like the people that get it's like
the people who need to get it will get and
like the people who it's for will feel it. You
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know what. I mean, because I think people have messaged
me being like the first scene where they used they,
they were like, wait, you know, maybe I'm so used
to it now, like hearing like pronouns and stuff. But
I think like, uh, it's it's you know, And I
think some people might just gloss over it actually, and
then some people might be like, yeah, what I also do.
It was for somebody's Aunt Judy that wants to like
cause a stink about instead, she's gonna see it and
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realize because there's some people who go, how do you
use I understand how you use they and then you
realize that if someone had lost a while, you're like,
I don't know something over here, and so like you,
you use it all the time. And so for them
that Aunt Judy to see somebody using Judy actually might
be a fabulous person. I don't know. But but that
Judy I made up, it's gonna click for her too.
And there's gonna be those people that it clicks for
it and they go, oh, man, I've been a I've
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been a butth hole about say I couldn't use this
when I really can. And then another heart in mind
has changed just from existing on screen. Yeah, I think, Um, no,
I love that example. That's an example I used for
people to walt one. I got it. I can't claim it.
I think I got it off Instagram. I got it
all something. We all got off something. Whoever started to
thank you? Also, can we bring back the word butthole
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because that's a funny word and I don't think someone
called call someone a butthole and she's made a butthole
because something what word? We wouldn't have to beep out
later so I could say flaming the word butthole, just
like I reclaimed the word faggot. I'm like, I'm backet
and I'm saying that word butth hole. Yeah, there you go. Um,
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maybe I think we should take a break and come
right back. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and
when we come back more with the incredible Terry Who.
And we're back with the incredible Terry Who on Pridecast
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talking all things Zombies. Three. We're talking about the amazing,
trailblazing moments that Terry is having in the non binary
community making sure that they are seen and they represented
on the biggest screens possible. And it's so much fun. Now, Terry,
you you went to u c l A. Because you're
and you're an actor in all these crazy movies that
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are amazing, But also you went to u c l
A And studied neuroscience. How do we go from nerve
or it's just like because I feel like maybe they're like,
you know, science, we have to like do something to
bring them back or something. I don't know, you tell me.
I want to have to wait for you all to
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watch it on Disney because I won't spoil anything. But
my character is super intelligent. Um no serious, I'm don't
use my I'm like really now. The thing is, the
thing is I do not use my degree now, and
so I'm like that stereotype. But yeah, I mean, you
know neuroscience. Um, I was gonna go to physical therapy school.
I graduated, and then I got into a bunch of
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schools and I had like I was considered, like I
was going to go to just one school, and then I, um,
I decided to defer for a year because I was like,
let me just keep acting like one year, like let
me just you know. And I had been acting as
a kid, like I did commercial acting as a kid,
so so it's not like I was just like, well,
let me try. It was like as a kid, I
kind of got introduced to it, so I think I
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was like, I liked it, and I always in my
dream world was like when I'm an actor, like when
I'm an actor, But then I it's like you know
when you're younger and you're like when I'm married or
when I'm this, and when I'm that, and then you
get to your twenties and you're like, I'm here, Like
I'm here, and it's not what I thought it was
gonna be like to me. And I was like in
college being like how it be an actur if I'm
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easing in neuroscience like, and I just was like, well,
I guess like my plan was to open up a
physical therapy clinic and like do community theater, which is
amazing by the way, Like I think that's fine, but um,
I yeah, I just decided to differ. And then I
got this job at like a startup just supporting myself
so my parents canna say anything, um and then I uh.
I won the two thousand and eighteen ABC Digital Talent
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Competition at the end of two thousand and eighteen, and
that kind of was like sealed the deal. From me
a little of like because at that point I was
supporting myself and I felt more like emotionally okay to
officially be like noticed school because I had worked like
so long to like get into the schools, you know,
so it's hard to let that go. Where I have
so many questions from from all of that. First off, acting,
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I need to know these commercials, what commercials clip could
we possibly find on the internet of you. To be honest,
I tried look at myself. I didn't do that, like
I went out for commercials, but I honestly did a
couple more photo shoots. I did something for Talbot's kids,
and I did I remember I was on Scholastic Illustrated
Teachers Edition cover and I like Teachers Edition, and I
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went into class. I had obviously this crush on this
teacher and I was like I was like six years
old and I was literally like look at this, Like
I was like, oh, this is win her over. That
was like really that was fun. And then um, yeah
I did so I did one for guard Assol. You
guy don't like the medicine garden. Yeah, that was like yeah,
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so that was that was important and big for the community. Um,
but yeah, so I did more stuff like that. I
wasn't really in too my name trying to think like
commercials were never seen ever, But commercials were at the
time not my strong game or anything. You know. Um,
I always wanted to thank you. I always wanted to
do theatrical. Yeah, the same thing happened to me. I
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have to tell this story now because I don't know
what I'll ever get. The podcast of the one and
only commercial I ever shot, which was for Tampax tampons. Okay,
wait wait, wait, wait wait, it gets worse. So I
shot it was my first commercial gig. I was nineteen
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or twenty years old in New York City and I
booked this commercial for Tampex portables and I was gonna
be the boyfriend to the girl that's like I am
a my period and I'm so embarious, bring my tampon?
Where do I hide it? Good thing, there's a portable
Like it was the most like like early two thousand's
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like what like like we look back at it and
we're like just cringe, were like, oh my god, it's
you can have a tampon because a woman who need
a tampon. Like back then, the commercial was like, wait,
we're hiding, like like so dumb and so so they
put us on the roller coaster in Long Island. You
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know that, Like roller coast? Do you know of it? Okay, James, James,
what's the thing? I get the worst of the worst,
most sickness when you come to an answer my husband's questions.
Foresrees on a on a roller coaster. They mount the
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camera in the car and sit at us, and me
and the girl are sitting there and like, she's like
on the roller coaster and it's so dumb. She pulls
out the tamp on and looks at it to make
sure she has it and then puts it back in
her pocket, like I can take them anywhere. And I'm like,
whoa on the roller coaster and it's going around ninety degrees.
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We do it once we come back and they like
check the camera to make sure it's st rolling, Like great,
send him again. Second time, I'm like, I'm not feeling
so good because there's no break. You just went. We
just went right one after the other. Third time, I
start throwing up all over the role, all over the girl.
I'm not even kidding, I'm not suking everywhere, and She's like,
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I have a tan Pec portable just like puking all
over in your mouth. I eat this, eat this, this
will soak it up. I'm like, no, it's not at
the portable too small and eat a wide flow like
just so dumb. And then it comes into the station
and like the crew comes running because they're watching the
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playback and they see what's happening, come running with towels
and they're cleaning me up. And then the sag after
rep came and was like happened to be on set
and was like, oh and that was a huge sag
thing and it was just as master. But I had
to show that story because it was so stupid. I
don't want to ever get to wait. That is horrific,
And like in those moments, I just feel like there's
so many auditions or acting horror stories where in those
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moments you're like, I will never get like I will
die here, I will actually die here, of there have
an auditions for are like I will perish in this
room like some of your worst Oh no, do you
have any of that stick out? Honestly, there was one,
but I just like it's a little physical. So it's
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like everyone on their resume puts on special skills like oh,
absolutely soccer, because like I'm like a polo player if
you ask me, like I can play water polo. Like
my baby has soccer on his and if you watch
me and girls, you'll see his soccer kick and then
you'll know that's not a special it's true gayest kick
you've ever seen. Go on, wait that something. So literally
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I was like I had soccer and this was like
in high school. I got this audition. It's in the city,
so I'm from Jersey and I was like in Bergen County, um,
like North Jersey and I it would take me like
three hours to go into the city if I were
taking the bust by myself, like as a kid, and
but sometimes my mom would drive me. And this one
should shown me. But I had to get a soccer uniform.
Don't have one. I asked the girl that I have
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like a cushion obviously, and literally I don't have soccer shoes.
The shoes are what makes the out there because it's
like slick. It's a cleats. You have the long socks
that are very very nerdy, honestly, but with cleats, it's like,
oh you're yeah, I was not a bot. I had
no I didn't work out like I didn't have I
didn't have played any sports. I had these like clunky
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running shoes, like clunky you can picture like, I don't
know if you can picture clunky running shoes with like
those long in my uniform. Our school uniform is bright
yellow like cougars. So it was like bright yellow socks
with these clunky, like like black running shoes. Yeah, and
I'm so I get dropped off of my mom in
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the city. I go in and like, oh my god.
It was so horrifuct. There was this huge line of
like girls, which obviously already intimidated. I was always incommidated
by girls because I was like I attracted to all
of you. So it was like literally the huge line
of girls into this Very later I found it was
a very small room, and in the room it was
also girls lined up on the wall watching you do it.
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It's like amazing, like me. But in the literally I
was like okay, and I'm in the line, and like
I tend to like when I get in a room
and just like yeah, like yeah, hey, what's up, like
trying to play it very like cool to me, and
this one girl like in front of me. I was
just like nervous, and and this one girl starts talking
to me. She was kind of like, oh, I'm like nervous,
and I was like I was like, oh my god,
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oh yeah, me too, like and she and I was
just and she was like, I don't like I shouldn't
be here, and I was like neither, like I shouldn't
be here either, Like you know, I just felt like
that connection of like we're in it together. And she's like,
I shouldn't be here because like I'm over eighteen and
it's like an under eighteen shoot and I was like,
oh my god, I shouldn't be here, but just like
I don't play soccer, and she was like and she
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literally like oh and kind of and I was like
uh and she I was just like oh. And I
was like do you play socture and she's like yeah,
and she was like I'm like a center or whatever.
And I was like, oh yeah, yeah, And I was
like right, all right, and like just trying to backtrack now,
Oh my god. But then at this point, I'm just
like who we got? And so essentially we start getting
in the room and she's like I see that in
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the room. It's a backdrop. It's like a still like
they're taking it was like for a Nike at if
you picture right, and like they take a picture and
they're having essentially people like pretend to kick, like kick
or if like they tell you, they ask you what
your position is, they tell you to like kick, and
then they tell you to do whatever opposed. I truly
haven't never kicked a ball in my life. You know,
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there's like a way to kick it. And I'm there,
like so finally there's a line against the wall of
these girls and I literally like I'm on autopio at
this point, I was like I'll perish, I'll perish and
I will die, but I just have to somehow autopilot walk.
I walked on here. They're like, oh, what position. I
was like, goalie the only position I know literally what else?
I don't know anything. I don't know anything else. And
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so literally I was like and they're like okay, cool,
Like all right, so we're gonna pretend to kick and
then just like like pretend to kick and then and
we'll get catch up and we'll do it a couple times.
And I was like, yeah, absolutely, no worries, like you
all have seen these night y foot like, yeah, it's
like the whole thing. Yeah, I did not look like
David Beck, and like I like hopped into it. I
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literally like like my foot did it like a little
like literal hop okay. And I was like and I
just did it. And then they were like and you
could feel it, like you feel yourself humiliating yourself, but
you're kind of just like yeah, and you can feel
and they were like, okay, let's do let's do that
one more time, but like really like I feel like,
just pretend you're like kicking the ball on the field.
I was like, no problem, literally like hopped into it again,
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and they were just like okay, okay, and they'd be
like I think they might have asked me to be
like do a goalie post. And then they were like
thank you so much, like have a great day, and
I was like you as well, you as well, and
I walked out like it was miserable. I honestly like
I think about that and I'm like, that was probably
one of the most good exceriuses because it was a
friend of everyone. Yeah, good job, thanks, that's the worst.
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Good job. Thanks. You're like, but but do you now
kind of have that moment with your success that you're having.
And I really hope that casting director just watched Zombies three.
You know what. Honestly, I hope that every single person
in that room was laughing. Yes, I know it. They're
like I would have. They were like, what like and
what position are you? I'm like, first at all? Not no,
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not you don't play soccer, do you? When you're like
what a switch? Right? Oh my god? We have so
much pride to get into. But we're gonna take a
short break. We'll come right back and we're back on
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podcast talking with Terry. Who know Terry? This is podcast
and we like to find out from everyone because pride
means so many things to so many different people. What
does pride mean to you? Um? Yeah, I feel like
pride is probably is it? Firstly, not just one month.
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It's like an everlasting sort of relationship with yourself, I think,
you know, um, And it's uh yeah, it's just like
feeling I don't know, it's it's feeling like it's not
like boastful or anything. It's not like I'm trying to
be in your face. It's just like I feel like
like I wouldn't like there was a while in my
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life when I was like, don't you think if I
could be straight, I would be, you know, and then
and then I wasn't, and then I was like, no, actually,
I would still choose to be this because it's like pride,
and I think it's okay. So it's not so much
pride in being necessarily like queer, non righting. I mean yes,
I feel that too, but it's really pride and authenticity.
Like I just I really value authenticity. And I think
anyone that like like takes the you know, overcomes obstacles
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to try to be their most authentic self, is that
is like so pride field whatever that looks like, you know,
like you deserved. It's kind of absolutely yes, And like
do you remember going to your first Pride? Like we
all remember our first Pride where we walked down to
the breade because Terry is a child baby, it was
probably just yesterday. We're like, remember your first Pride years ago? No,
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I My first Pride was actually in l A and
it was carl Bag Jackson and Charlie xc X on
stage less Holly two thousand and sixteen. Oh my god,
let's get it. And honestly, I was just like, it
wasn't like I don't think I got to the parade
that maybe I went a little bit, but it was
like it was, you know, at the festival. I was
the festival and I kind of it was just like
I remember, it was like so blissful and I don't
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know that I was like it's because it was just like,
oh coming, you feel this energy like I feel like
whenever you meet someone that's queer or someone that's an
ally is just like like I feel that when I
see email signatures where people use the pronouns. I'm like,
you know, it's kind of just that, like it's like
a warm feeling. It was we want you know, Yeah, Raymond,
were you at that pride, at that two thousand sixteen pride?
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Was you probably were? Probably? Oh god, that was probably
my second I think what was your first pride, Raymond?
The one before? But I don't remember. I didn't make
it to the concert, let's just put it that way.
Got tied up, all right, But did you get to
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the concert, because as I mean, I don't think you
ever had this moment, but as a gay, as a
member of the queer community, to see Carly Ray Jebsen
performed called Me Maybe live amongst another group of queers
and bulk is a magical, magical place to be. It was,
I've seen Carly like about and I'm going to see
her in October. But I've seen Carly like I seen
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three times every single time seen her like. It's the
one time I couldn't even see her in the concert
because someone was blocking me. And it was somehow still
the most blissful experience I've ever had. Terry, seriously, thank
you so much for coming and talking to who is.
You are not only inspiration, but you are a lot
of fun um. So come kick up with us anytime
you want. And y'all listening, make sure you catch Terry
in Zombies three if you haven't seen it yet, if
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you have, watch it again, and also in the new
season of Never Have I Ever on Netflix. And I
also gotta plug this because it's really cool. There's also
a Terry who Doll. What's not Terry who Doll, but
it's a Terry who Doll. It's the doll of your
character in Zombies three. It's a super cool thing. Trailblazing
everywhere you can. Terry, You're such a star, such a superstar.
(37:30):
I can't wait to see what comes next. So so
proud of you. Thank you for being you're doing everything
you're doing, so of course, thanks thanks everyone, Thanks Johnny. Yes,
my friends, get out here, go okay. Bye. Each week
we like to focus on someone in the community that
we can shine our big gay spotlight on members of
the community that are doing things that are extraordinary for
(37:53):
the community. People you might know or people you might
not know. James, who is this week's big gay spotlight?
All right, for this week's big gay spotlight, we got
drag race. We have, we have. The lgbt Q plus
community has grabbed the term drag race and made it
our own. And now um, we're getting a little bit
of the National hot Rod Association because Travis Shoemake just
(38:15):
became the first openly gay driver to compete at the
National hot Rod Association National Finals. Thirty seven year old
Shoemake said he was surprised by how welcoming the racing
community has been to him, and I know some of
y'all thirsty ones have already googled him and lift him
up and see that he also appears to be a
hot rod himself. He also does if you look at
his Instagram, appear to be booed up. So congratulations so
(38:37):
took on more ways than one to Travis, and congratulations
to the National hot Rod Association for to get a
little more inclusion and a place that didn't have it.
That is so incredibly cool and I'm very excited for that.
And I mean to say that we have Travis now
racing hot rods. I mean the jokes right themselves, they're
just it is the hot rod. I'll never get over
(38:59):
a hot joke because I think hot rod is a
funny word. You know, there was a strip club in
Vegas for like three minutes called hot Rods. I'm not
joking there. Did you work there? No? Did you frequent it?
We did frequent it? We did one night because I
don't think it was open for very long. It was
in a very um it was like in a weird
(39:20):
like industrial space amongst like warehouses and like I'm not
even sure they were allowed to do this type of thing.
I don't know what the licensing is as far as
that goes, But um, we went and somebody, I'll I
recall was somebody got up and performed the Elvis number
and played the guitar, but the guitar was not a guitar.
I would let you use your imagination a Hot Rods
(39:42):
what was happening? And we were like, where are we?
What is going on? What is life right now? Oh
my god? So weird. So we did meet before we
actually met. You just didn't realize that was me. Oh
my gosh, you didn't see my guitar song fantastic. I
think I would remember that. Okay, okay, now let's talk
about something that's really fun, and that is history. That's
(40:07):
set up. That set up was really good. You guys,
just go with it. Your transition. You always do this
like lightly PBS moment because I like it. I like,
I like a PBS moment. I'm I'm cheeky and I'm campy,
and I like a PPS moment. So cute the music.
Each week, before we can move on, we have to
remember where we came from. So this week in gay history,
(40:29):
something happened, and the thing that happened, James is about
to tell us, James, what happened this week in gay history?
Because you have no idea what it is. I have
no idea how elaborate Barbara Walters set up where you
would turn. However, the best moment of my Barbara Walters life,
My best moment in my life with Barbara Walters when
we were in Times Square Babe for New Year's Eve
(40:51):
and I was hosting the ball drop and they had
when the show started at six o'clock, Barbara Walters came
on all the giant jump botrons in Times Square and said,
I'm Barbara Walters and this is and it was pretty amazing,
which was this week in August of Sweden issued the
(41:16):
first family based visa for the same sex partners spouse.
This is important to us, baby, because this is the
kind of stuff that gives us rights as a married couple.
So this was actually a direct result of the June
decision of the U. S. Supreme Court to expand recognition
of same sex marriage to the federal level, which we
all know what's going on with that right now. Let's
(41:36):
just appreciate the progress at that moment in history that
was made, which meant the husband of Ambassador Mark Prezinski
was not able to travel to the United States as
a fully recognized spouse. Prasinski was an American lawyer who
served as the United States Ambassador to Sweden from two
thousand eleven to two thousand fifteen. Gotta always remember those
moments of progress so we know what we fought for
(41:58):
and what we're still fighting for. Yeah, that's right, great
sound bite, James. I really really like that. You sound
really good because I think here I can hear your
ice coffee because I'm watching you drink it, and I'm
so jealous of that ice coffee in your hand because
I'm here not with you, And if I don't have
you as my actual like sugar Shock in the morning
(42:19):
to wake me up and get me going um as
a human being, then I do need a little coffee
to give myself. I think you would have remembered my
name from hot Rod and it in fact was sugar Shock,
so good thing you would know that. Guys, this has
been Pridecast. Thank you so much for joining us. Tune
in next week when we have another amazing episode with
another amazing lgbt Q plus person. I'm Jonathan Bennett joined
(42:41):
by my husband, James Vaughn, and we want to remind
you that what do you want to remind him? Baby?
What do you want to remind you? Are gay? I
am on that scale, I am all the way I
am super gay. All right, this has been a gay time.
We'll see you next night. By L.
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