January 3, 2022 • 50 mins
In 2017 the New York Times released an article disclosing 3 videos taken by US Navy pilots of unidentified aerial phenomenon. Is intelligent life already here... or is there another explanation?
I spoke with a man who believes he was abducted by "the greys" in order to father a race of hybrids. This was confirmed by one of his indirect descendants, Bashar, a contact specialist from the planet Essassani who is being channeled by Daryl Anka. According to Bashar we are all a facet of the multi-dimensional crystal.
Physicist Daniel Whiteson explains quantum entanglement and how we could bend space to achieve faster than light travel. Toby Ball describes how alien abductions entered our folklore and Mick West provides context for the recent sightings.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Prodigy is the production of my heart radio. Our galaxy
contains billions of Earth like planets, with so many opportunities
for life, how could we possibly be alone? Everything is
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very spread out and far away, but it's also been
around a long time. A thousand civilizations could have colonized
the entire thing by the time we discovered fire. So
the question is where is everybody? This is the Fermi paradox,
and there are several theories that attempt to explain it.
Perhaps an event destroy civilizations before they can spread out,
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like nuclear war or a deadly virus. It's a concept
known as the Great Filter. Frightening lye plausible, but it
might not be ahead of us. It could be behind
maybe getting this far at all as a trillion to
one odds. But if Earth isn't rare and intelligent life
is common, the fact that we can't see any could
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be the most terrifying thing imaginable. What if they are there,
but they're being very very quiet. If you look at
our own history of how we've evolved, killed, consumed, and
conquered to become the dominant species on the planet, it's
obvious that we are extremely dangerous if we encounter others.
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It's likely they've done the same thing and are also dangerous.
We've advanced enough to be kind of civil and want
to be their friends, but communication is extremely difficult. Sending
a message from one planet to another takes decades. We
don't know if they're friendly, and they don't know if
we are. Whoever strikes first will probably destroy the other.
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It's the first strike advantage. The media depicts interplanetary war
as invading fleets, but none of that is really necessary.
All they have to do is fire a small object
relatively close to the speed of light at us, and
the energy created on impact would be like a thousand
nuclear bombs. If a planet in the galaxy has a
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civilization just a bit more advanced than ours, they could
have the technology to fire these missiles at every planet
they see. With intelligent life, when threats are unknown, you
need to be cautious. You don't call out. You're either
very quiet or you're dead because the forest is dark
and there are predators. This is prodigy. As a child,
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Alan knew that stars weren't just dots in the night sky.
They were the porch lights of other people's homes, and
it was frustrating that adults never seemed to pay much
attention to them. When he discovered science fiction books and shows,
they filled his mind with wonder While other kids were
studying math and history, Alan was discovering humanoid creatures who
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could communicate with their minds. In the sixth grade, a
teacher told his mother that Alan needed to stop reading
those books because it was hurting studies. Alan was devastated,
but he still wondered about things. Why did the moon
appear to be the same size as the sun. Science
said it was a coincidence, but he knew better. At university,
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Alan was reading James Joyce when he came upon a
sentence that sent a bolt of lightning through him. Welcome,
o life. I go to encounter for the millionth time
the reality of experience, and to forge in the smithy
of my soul, the uncreated conscience of my race. At
that moment, Alan knew that was his mission as well.
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He would bring his awareness to others. Alan set off
on a road trip to scout the perfect location where
he would take heart in the Harmonic Convergence, an event
where people around the world would meditate at the same time,
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activating a new age of universal peace in Sidonia, he
attended a channeling event. When a woman named Jane walked
past him, he could feel her energy vibrating. They were
inexorably drawn together. Not long after, they were driving along
the highway through western Nebraska, and exhausted from a long
day on the road, decided to pull off into the
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farmlands to find the place to sleep. They rolled into
a quiet dirt road and parked. That night, Alan Steinfeld
was abducted by aliens. We felt like in the night
we were frozen in place. I mean, who even remembers
that kind of thing, you know, I don't remember the position.
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I went to bed and and I woke up, and
it's not something that stands out. So anyway, he had
that experience. And then I also had this mark on
the back of my leg, this four pronged puncture mark,
which you know might be strange. My I mean, I
didn't see it. Actually. I came back home and my
mother said, what's that little marking there? I said, oh,
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it's nothing. And then I met some people connected to
the Bud Hopkins intruder groups and I just asked them
about this. I said, you know, this is this anything
that has shown enough before? And they said, yes, that
is an abduction market. It kind of freaked me out.
When Alan heard that the unexplained mark was from an abduction,
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he decided to take part in a hypnotic regression to
see what he could learn about that night. In this regression,
there were beings that had appeared. You know, what's so
weird is that there is a trauma associated to this,
and and traumas are not easily accessible by the conscious mind.
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So anyone who's had any kind of trauma war they
used to call it combat the tea, And so the
trauma is encountering beings that are not in our worldview.
We we don't consider them real. And then when you
do encountering, there's a part of the conscious mind that disassociates.
The disassociation is the activation of the trauma. Hypnotic regression
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therapy is used by some clinicians to treat repressed trauma
by accessing the subconscious mind. Alan thought he couldn't remember
how he got the mark because of the trauma it created.
I got back to some of that in one regression
and saw these beings opening the back door of the
span we're sleeping in. And that's sort of as far
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as I've gotten or willing to get, because I wasn't
ready to go into that realm um, but I might
be now, I might be now, So that my experience
was based on just it was a physical marking, a
vague notion. And then after at experience driving chrisco, I
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did have these dreams of these beings showing up and
it was dream like. But you know, dreams, you they
just fade away as you get up. But some dreams
you never forget. Those are dreams I I don't consider
normal nocturnal hallucinations. There's something happening and an altered state.
The mind is a powerful thing and dreams can seem
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quite real, especially when we aren't fully asleep. Listen to
the Lucid Dreaming episode to learn more. Yeah, I have
these dreams of this little being handed to me this,
and I think it was a hybrid. So I think
they take our genetics, they mix it with theirs, and
they create these little hybrid beings because they need our
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genetics to evolve. Alan believes that aliens need our DNA
so that they can use it to evolve. This creates hybrids.
He knows it sounds odd and doesn't have any evidence
that could possibly convince a skeptic like me, But he
still believes it. And one reason is because of channeling.
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There's something about consciousness that transcends the hardware. Your brain
is your hardware, your personalities, your software. But you know,
if you're at a computer, you need more than hardware
and software. You know what you need internet, Internet, yes,
but more than that, you need an operator. So it's like,
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have you ever seen a dead person. There's the brain there,
but there's there's no activity, there's nothing there, there's nobody home,
there's no operator, So I think the operators. Transcendent channeling
is when someone can communicate across space and time. This
is like a medium who communicates with the afterlife. But
Shar is being channeled by Daryl Anko who goes into
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a state and picks up this other frequency. It's like
a radio. You know, the formation of that signal is
not from the radio. It's being received by the radio
or an enginet or the phone. Our brains are receiving signals.
So he just switched his channel a little bit and
picks up the Shar. Who's this being, this extraterrestial being
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who's talked about, Yes, there's been this hybrid program. Darryl
Anka is one of the more interesting characters I discovered
along this journey. He was a visual effects designer for
movies like I Robot, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Iron Man.
In three he had two close encounters quote. I had
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close range broad daylight sightings of UFOs with witnesses present
both times. At each siding, we saw a dark, metallic
triangular craft about thirty feet on each side. There were
three blue white lights, one on each point and one
orange red light in the center. This event kicked off
darryl study of extraterrestrials. Ten years later, he began to
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learn about channeling. In doing so, he was able to
connect with an alien named the Shar. Darryl is able
to connect with Bashar by achieving Gama state. Gama state
is the highest frequency our brain waves can achieve, and
it's quite real. It's often called flow state. Think of
it like being in the zone. When Darrell achieves Gama state,
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he can tune to Bashar's frequency like a radio. Bashar
is a contact specialist, basically an ambassador to new worlds
like ours. He's from a planet called Sasani and has
revealed to Earth through Darryl, the four laws of creation,
which are meant to help us recognize our true nature
and function. Number One, you exist. Two, the one is all,
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and the all are one. Three what you put out
is what you get back. Four Change is the only
constant except for the first three laws. In two thousand fifteen,
Alan invited Daryl to be on his YouTube channel, New Realities.
So you've been channeling for Sharper twenty four years. Twenty
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four years, And when I'm curious about is the process
of what you do to tap into that other place
in order to bring this entity through just described. Yeah,
the connection process, as I understand that is kind of
a telepathic contact. And what I've been trained to do
is change the frequency of my own brain waves to
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be something closer to the level in which they exist.
And at the same time, Bishar will do the same
thing from his end. So that's somewhere in the middle
the brainwave frequencies meet and locked together, and what you
then get is his thoughts translating into the language that
I obviously was raised to understand, which is English. He's
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not speaking, He's just sending thoughts. But I'm translating that
because our wavelength so synchronized. After a brief introduction, Alan
prompts Darryl to channel Baschar. Darryl takes off his glasses
and takes a sip of water. This is exciting. I
don't think anyone's ever actually channeled on the program. During
the interview, Darrel slowly turns, looks at him go and chuckles,
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then adjust himself to begin. He covers his face in
his hands to refocus, takes a deep breath, wipes his nose,
and coughs. He interlocks his fingers, twitches once, then sharply
exhales another twitch, cough, twitch, breath, twitch, cough. His clasp
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hands pull apart, and he brings his fingertips together. After
thirty more seconds of deep breasts, twitches, and costs, suddenly
Darryl connects with the sharll take good day, dying, How
are you very good? Thank you so much for being here.
It is our pleasure always to co create these transmissions
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with each and every one of you. For In speaks
with his eyes closed, his fingertips together, and with an
accent that comes and goes. What would you like to
discuss this there? Well? First of all, the sort of
the process, because I talked to Darryl a little bit about, um,
what happens. Are you waiting on this other side for
him to just go to that space? No real waiting
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is happening on our behalf because we can instantly sense
when the connection needs to happen. We may be having
this communication with you in what you would consider to
be your past or your future, so it doesn't necessarily
interrupt our time frame when you decide to do this,
so you aren't busy doing something else like having lunch
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or something. And then besides which we don't eat. Okay,
tell us where you're from, who you are, basically what
time frame you exist in. We are in what you
might call an altered the dimension of reality explains that
his people are genetically related to ours. So where's Earth now?
Three years in the future. It is in that sense
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a planet that has changed from three years. Our planet
will have changed drastically, but will interact with the Sanishar
is here to help us make the transition into the
Federation of Planets. So you've said, in the past, one
third of the population has been abducted by gray aliens.
In order for your experiment to be carried out. It
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is not our experiment. We are the result of the experiment,
and it is not exactly an experiment. It is the
idea of the continuation of their race through the utilization
of your So the beings abducting us are not aliens.
They are mutated humans from a parallel reality called the Grays.
They destroyed their civilization and ability to reproduce, so they
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take our DNA in order to evolve. This creates a
series of hybrid races, one of which is bars people
the Sani. I mean, I feel in harmony with you
and and very much in touch with Alan mentions that
he feels like he's already been genetically altered for the
last three generations in his family, maybe three generations in
my family, ten ten generations, thank you, and and they've
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done this in order to take genetic He confirms that
the Grays have done this to match the genetic frequency
that they want to integrate frequency. That says yes, and
reminds Alan that it was by agreement, whether he remembers
it or not. Actually, I don't really remember all of it,
although I do have vague memories of this little being
being placed in my hands in this case, and was
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that was one of my early hybrids, early hybrid children
in the sense different degrees of genetic material will wind
up in different hybrid children. So I've had a lifetime
of abductions basically. Would you say, if you want to
look at it that way, or you could say you
have a lifetime of co participation in a very large
scale program that will benefit your world immends lam Well,
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it depends on how you wish to look at it. No,
I'm actually very honored to be the father of an
alien race. I I really I think that's we thank
you for your participation, without which we would not be right.
And I and I great great great great great great
grand father. You mean we're related distantly. I mean some
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of my gen x went into Bischar, not directly, but
into the lines. I love that. Thank you. Could I
talk to one of my direct descendants a little over
forty five minutes into the interview, Richard, thanks us for
taking part in the link, and we bid each and
every one of you individually and all of you together collectively,
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a fond, exciting, passionate and creative good day. Then, with
the sharp exhale and a jerk of his neck, his
hand snap apart, and the link is broken. Darryl rubs
his face as if waking up early from a nap.
How did it? Thank you? How you beautiful? I'm waking up.
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I got a lot of energy. Back to my interview
with Alan, he explains his theory on channeling Whi's the
source of the energy that's feeding your brain to say
these sounds, to listen to these words, to comprehend it.
What's the source of that. It's not just neurological activity
that's that's the hardware. What's feeding the hardware? That's the
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mystery here. And I don't have an answer for that.
I just say that maybe consciousness is non local. But
Char's message is all about self empowerment and achieving the
life you desire. He recently offered us a gift, the
Sanni contact crystal. The crystal can be yours at a
low low price of a hundred and seventy five dollars.
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The Sani have bills to pay too. I wonder why
the Sni haven't visited us yet. The distance between stars
is large, and we understand that the speed of light
is a universal speed limit. But Allen actually figured out
a way to travel instantaneously Einstein, and physics says, yeah,
there's a speed limit, but quantum physics says that there's
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instantaneous association. Einstein called spooky action at a distance that
he could not explain how objects could travel instantaneously from
one place to another beyond the speed of light. And
that's because in quantum physics they say there's an entanglement property.
You affect one spin of electron here, it affects another
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one beyond the speed of light, beyond the distance of
a light year, or somewhere else. So look into that
if you want to understand how we possibly can travel
faster than the speed of light. I listen to this
fun and informative show about physics called Daniel and Jorge
Explain the Universe. Host Daniel Whitson is a particle physicist
and a super nice guy who came on to explain
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how it works and if it can be used for
faster than light travel. Quantum entanglement is a really fun
and fascinating and super counterintuitive concept. It actually comes out
of a thought experiment by Einstein, who was trying to
show the quantum mechanics is nonsense. He was trying to
come up with an idea an example of how it
leads to something which shouldn't make any sense, but then
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people did the experiment and they discovered, actually it doesn't
make sense, but it's also real. It's like the way
the universe actually works. And what happens is that you
have two particles that have their fates connected. And that
happens when you have like two particles that come from
a single process, so there's some like constraint on what
happens to them. For example, you have a photon and
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it generates for you an electron and an anti electron.
That those two particles have to have opposite electric charge
because their electric charge has to add back up to
the electric charge of the photon. So they have this constraint,
this connection between them. And so the way you make
two quantum entangled particles is you have a situation like
that with a constraint, and often you'll have it. For example,
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on the particles spin, So maybe you have a particle
with no spin and it decays into two particles that
do have some spins. Then their spins have to cancel out,
and so you have one particle might be spin up
the other one In that case would have to be
spinned down, or if the first particle spin down, then
the second one has to be spin up. Now the
quantum mechanical part arises because you don't know which one
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is spin up and which one is spin down. So
imagine you create these two particles. You don't know which
one is spin up and which one has spin down,
but you know that only one of them can be
spin up. Now you separate them really far away. One
of them is a mile or a light year away
from the other one, and each one still has the
chance to be spin up or spin down. Now look
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at particle number one. You open the box, you ask
is this one spin up or spin down? And the
universe decides at that moment. It's not like it was
secretly spin up the whole time or spin down the
whole time. It was uncertain. It had both possibilities existing
the whole time time. And then when you open the
box and you ask is this one spin up, then
the universe decides, yes, this one's spin up. And what
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that means is that the other particle, which is now
really far away a mile or a light year, instantaneously
becomes spin down. So you have two particles separated by distance.
Both have a possibility to be spin up or spin down,
but the entanglement means they have to be opposite. So
when you measure one, the other one suddenly goes from
being uncertain to being definitely the opposite of the first particle.
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That's quantum entanglement, and we don't understand the mechanism for that.
How that happens. If there's some like quantum account in
somewhere that's like, you know, making all these things add up.
But we know that it does. We've done the experiments,
we see that this actually happens in real life. Well,
is there any way it could be used for faster
than light travel? I understand why you might think so,
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because there is a factor in there which is instantaneous.
If you open box number one and you find out
that now the particles spin up, then instantaneously the other
box goes from being undetermined to being definitely spin down.
So that feels like maybe there's a way to get
around the light speed limit because there's some sort of
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instantaneous communication happening there. That is true. However, it is
not possible, definitely, absolutely not possible, to use this property
to send any information across the universe faster than the
speed of light. And that's because we can't control what
these things are. All we can do is observe them.
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So you can't, for example, take box number one and
force it to be spin up, which would make box
number two spin down. So you can't like manipulate box
number one in a way that affects box number two.
All you can do is ask the question, what's in
my box? Well, do you think there's any way we
could travel faster than the speed of light. Absolutely, there's
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a lot we don't know about the universe. This rule
seems pretty hard and fast. It's like encoded deep into
the bedrock firmament of physics. I would be pretty surprised
if we discovered any way to send information faster than
the speed of light. Einstein showed that if you send
information faster than the speed of light, weird stuff happens,
like causes can come after effects, you know, like you
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can be hit by an arrow before you even shoot
the arrow. Crazy stuff like that. So I think it's
pretty unlikely we're going to find a way around moving
through space or sending information through space faster than the
speed of light. But there are some loopholes that I
think we could use to affect the same results. Like
if what you want to do is send information between
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here and a distant place, and you want to do
it basically instantaneously, you can't do it by sending information
through space, but you might be able to do something
like bending space. Right your goal is not necessarily to
actually go through all that space. Your goal is just
to get the information from here to there. And one
thing we have the and about space is that it's
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not flat. It's not just like a background where things happen.
It can bend and ripple and do all sorts of
weird things. And so, for example, you might be able
to build a wormhole. A wormhole is a shortcut through space.
And if you can connect our local space to some
distance space far away, then you don't have to break
the light speed rule. You just sort of like made
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a shortcut. Wormholes are theoretical, We've never seen one, but
there's nothing in the laws of physics that prevents them
from being real. We've seen space being bad. That's not
theoretical at all. The Sun bend space, the Earth bend space,
You bend space, were bending space right now, And of course,
black holes bend them most dramatically and show us how
bending space leads to all sorts of weird effects, like
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like getting trapped. Right, the reason that light is trapped
inside a black hole is not because the gravity is
so powerful you can pull on even massless photons. It's
because it's bent the shape of space so much that
every step forward is actually towards the center of the
black hole. So space is this weird malleable thing, and
you can bend it to your will. Perhaps, and one
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day we might be able to build wormholes that connect
us to where we want to go, so we don't
have to travel through space less than the speed of light.
You can just travel a short distance at whatever speed
we want and still get to our destination. Instead of
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is a podcast that explains the scientific secrets of the universe.
Since podcast don't require eyeballs, you can do other stuff
while you listen, like cleaning that impressive layer of dust
stuff you're ceiling fan while you learn about everything we
do and don't know about the universe. It's hosted by
Daniel Whitson, a particle physicist and professor at U c Irvine,
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and Jorge cham, a cartoonist and engineer whose dad jokes
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get your podcasts back to Prodigy. So if they're technologically
advanced enough to reach us, why are there only random,
isolated and unverifiable sightings akin to Bigfoot instead of something
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public like landing on the White House lawn? Because I
think they don't want to um upset the population, even
though they are upsetting people when they're taken aboard these things.
But the general population needs to slowly integrate the idea
that there are craft here, that there are beings from
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other places of the dimensions here. It's like if you
hit them all at once, we don't know what to
do with that information. You know, there was studies and
anthropology called the cargo cults when these uh Europeans used
to land on these islands in the South Pacific and
they come off out with all their equipment and all
their um, you know, higher technologies and societies would dissolve
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because they weren't ready to integrate this new phase that we, like,
you know, we've developed over the last hundred years. We
need to integrate those things into our society, and this
is what happened in those cargo cults that started to
worship these Europeans who had this higher technology, and the
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society dissolves. So I think that's one lesson from history.
We can see that if a higher advanced civilization tracks
with a lower advanced civilization, meaning us, they're shocked and stunned.
And so maybe technology has been given to us slowly
over time in order to integrate these other beings in
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our awareness. That's why they're not showing up all at once,
because they they're they're basically compassionate if they wanted to
invade or take over whatever they are. I'm not even
saying they're aliens. I don't know what they are, but
there's something out there, and if they were to show
up all at once, we would be freaked out. They're
slow rolling their introduction so we don't freak out and
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start worshiping their magic. That's a logical argument, but it
depends on if you believe the people who have had encounters.
Is it possible that they're just grifters lying to make
money off the mentally vulnerable even if there's no evidence,
If someone reputable has seen it, then it holds more weight.
There actually has been three recent sightings from Navy pilots.
The incidents are known as flear or nimits go fast
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and gimble. Like a lot of scientists today, Neils across
Tyson said, all the stuff they're seeing on radar and
all that is just an apparition of the radar itself.
And has he listened to the navy pilots say well,
we saw something with our own eyes and it just
disappears these are trained observers. So what do you think?
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Do you think they're hallucinating? What do you think when
Navy pilots come out and say they seen stuff Acom's razor,
it's I think a simpler explanation as opposed to, you know,
intelligent life coming and visiting. But you know that is
the simplest explanation, really, I think that is much simpler
than trying to say these four pilots were hallucinating. Was
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something we can't explain in earth set place I'm just curious,
from a skeptics point of view, why is the the
idea of aliens visiting this planet a hard one to grasp?
That seems like the outcomes razor no answer, Well, nothing
would make me more excited. It would be the greatest
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discovery in the history of mankind. Absolutely, that's why we're
talking about this. But what makes you think it's not that? Oh,
by any evidence. You don't get evans to to disprove something.
You only get evidence to prove something, right, the evidence,
So what evidence do you have that it isn't aliens?
But I don't have any evidence that it is aliens. Though,
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as a well meaning jerk, occasionally I debate people about
the existence of God, the offense you can't to prove
that God doesn't exist. This is the point in the
conversation where I say the burden approve is not on me.
The burden approof is on the person making the claim.
Maybe you're right, we can't say it's alien, but we
could say what Alesando says, it is not Luise Alesando.
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You know who he is. He came out on sixty
minutes Washington Posts. He can say they're not Russians they're
not Chinese, and they are not ours, and they do
not seem to be made by any country on this earth.
He doesn't mention the alien word because when he does that,
it puts us in a hole of the ball game.
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But if it's not Russian, Chinese or ours, who's developing
these incredibly technically sophisticated aircraft that can speed away at
eighty thousand miles an hour that don't do not seem
to have any propulsion system, who's doing that? We'll get
into that, but first let's see how UFOs came into
our culture. This is Toby Ball, host of the podcast
(30:59):
Strange Arrival. When people take a look at sort of
the modern UFO era, right, it goes back to and
that was when in rapid succession a guy named Kenneth
Arnold saw He didn't really call them disks or saucers.
They looked more like sort of boomerangs almost, But he
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said they skipped across the sky like saucers on on water.
I think it's the way he put it, And that
saucers thing got picked up. So they're called flying saucers,
which is an interesting thing in and of itself, and
that that sort of drove what people were seeing in
the skies afterwards, and then it was just very shortly,
I think less than a month after that roswell happened.
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What happened with the Betty and Barney Hill thing and
why they are are really important in UFO lore. This
happened in nineteen sixty one. Up until then, there were
people who claimed to have interactions with aliens. They were
called the Contact Ease, and they were mostly talking about
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basically human aliens coming from like Venus or Mars or
somewhere in our solar system and landing with like a
message of peace. Some people wrote books where they had
these like crazy space adventures with these people, but it
was sort of like a kind of like a Buck
Rogers type of thing. Like I don't think it's hard
to imagine anybody took it super literally. So what happened
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with Betty and Barney Hill is that their story, which
is markedly different. There wasn't this message that beings were
clearly not human, their alien and their interaction wasn't like
a chat, you know. They were abducted, they were brought
onto a spaceship, they had an exam performed on each
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of them. So when that was done, and I think
when it was put forward to the public and the
public found out about it, it just seemed like a
different in kind right. It seemed like, okay, is like
genuinely mysterious, and it doesn't seem like it's some kind
of weird, sort of allegorical story that somebody's trying to
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get a point across with. It sounds like a real
encounter with beings that are unknown to us. From that
point until you know, late nineties, early two thousands, which
is sort of when the whole alien abduction thing kind
of run its course. As far out and as wildest
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thing's got, they still kind of hearkened back to these
essential elements of the story that the Hill's told, And
I think that's one of the really, you know, remarkable
things about it, Like whether you are a believer in
their story or a skeptic or whatever, they somehow between
the two of them created this framework that was so
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compelling to so many people that it really drove a
lot of what we think about aliens and UFO and
certainly believers and believers in alien abductions. It all goes
back to this one, you know, story or incident between
these two people in nine. The humanoid extraterrestrials known as
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the Grays that Bishard described earlier were popularized by the
Betty and Barney Hill abduction and inspired thousands of similar
abduction claims, along with appearances in film and television. Although
they didn't enter the mainstream until that nineteen sixty one abduction,
they actually appeared in literature as early as eight one.
In fact, they appeared in an episode of The Outer
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Limits just twelve days before Barney described them under hypnotic regression.
In the US, they are described in seventy of all
abduction reports. So we can trace back how the Grays
entered our folklore. But for most people, I'm assuming the
archetype has been long played out. But an article published
in two thousand seventeen changed that. This time there were
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sightings of spacecrafts on video, and they weren't from random people.
There were U. S. Navy pilots who were known as
trained observers. Who's made this technology? That these at least
go back to two thousand four the knemits are seeing,
I mean, what other explanation I'm interested? Should we now
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accept that ailiens are not only confirmed, they're also here
or is there a simpler explanation to explain this phenomenon.
I spoke with Mick west nick As a YouTube channel
where he provides factual explanations for conspiracy theories like UFO
sidings and chem trails. This object doesn't actually move on
screen except when the camera moves, and it resembles an
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out to focus, low resolution, backlit plane. I don't know
what the pilots saw, but this video does not show
anything really interesting. The gimbal video is also probably on
a plane. It's not rotating. What you see is the
infraregularity the engines, which is larger than the plane. It
looks like it's rotating because of an artifact at the
gimble mounted camera system. Oh, the aura around the plane,
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that's just image sharpening. It happens all the time in
thermal camera footage. It's not an alien warp drive. It's
just the unsharped mask filter. The Go Fast video probably
shows a balloon. It's not moving fast. It's not giving
the recent stuff. How did that start? That was kind
of like, in a way, the mainstreaming of UFOs, and
it started in twenty seventeen with the publication of an
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article called glowing auras and black money in the New
York Times, which was a story about this program within
the Pentagon, a program called a TIP A T I
P and that was studied by Senator Harry Reid, and
it went to his friend Robert Bigelow, who is a
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eccentric millionaire, I guess would be a good way of
describing him, who was really interested in the paranormal and
in aliens. Ultimately, that's why we are where we are today.
There's been sightings in the US was for many many
years like that. But the one kind of iconic siting
that we're talking about here is the Nimits encounter of
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two thousand and four, which is a long time ago,
seventeen years ago now, so it's it's kind of an
old one even by UFO standards. The Nimitts battle group
was off the Curse of San Diego and they were
having radar issues where they were seeing these these targets
on the radar, which with these very slow moving targets
that were moving in groups of five down the screen
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from north to south, and they couldn't figure out what
it was. They thought maybe it was a rad ug ledge,
so that people thought it was like some kind of
ice cloud or something like that serious cloud, And eventually
they sent people to see if they can intercept one
of these. And then the pilots who went there had
some kind of encounter with some kind of object that
they called described as a large tic Tac shaped object.
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And then later another pilot went out and he took
some video, very britty, blurry video of a distant object
that looks very politic tac shape. It doesn't really look
like tic tac shape, but this is I think the
whole mythology has grown around this, this encounter. We don't
have very much in terms of actual data from it.
For many people, they became this iconic encounter with the
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UFO that convinced them that UFOs were real. So you
could definitely point to that as being one of the
starting points of the modern UFO flap. When I think
of the most qualified people to observe these sightings, I
immediately think of Navy pilots. How does that factor in?
Pilots are trained observers, but what they're trained to observe
are other planes. I've had some pilot training and they
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teach you what they call these these scan patterns where
you scan the sky. You have to look at various
different segments of the sky because if you just look forward,
you get this kind of blindness in your field, so
you have to keep looking. So you're trained to observe
the sky, and you're also trained to and also scan
your instruments. You have a scan pattern for your instruments
and you combine the two. But what you're trained to
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look out for other planes so you don't bump into
other planes or, in the case of military pilots, other planes,
because they're often hunting or avoiding other planes, and of
course you know the other planes that they're flying in
formation with. So whenever they see something in the sky,
they naturally assume it's another plane. And if they see
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something that's an unknown like this TikTok shaped object, I
think that the natural inclination is to think that it's
the same size as another planet long, which is exactly
what David Faber said. He says, I've seen a lot
of hornets, which is the type of play in the
f A eighteen hornet, the super hornet, and that's what
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the size he thought it was just I find I
think he just naturally assumed that's what it was, but
it could be any kind of size. Like he said
he thought it was forty ft long, it could have
been twenty ft long. It could have been ten ft long.
It could have been misjudging the distance, which means he
would misjudge how it moved and how fast it was
moving and how far away it was. So yeah, yeah, trained,
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but you can't train people to observe something you've never
seen before. He's always going to be a novel experience.
The term UFO is being replaced with U a P,
which stands for unidentified aerial phenomena and pop culture, the
term usually means aliens, but describing something as unidentified doesn't
necessarily mean another civilization. It just means we don't know
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what specifically it is yet. It could be a plane, balloon,
or a hundred other things, but we can't say for
sure without more information. Alan isn't alone in his beliefs.
He's part of the New Age movement, which will hate
to hear me say because people involved have rejected the term.
While he is on the more extreme side of it,
the movement has thoroughly permeated Western culture. Think about how
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many people you know who say they aren't religious, they're spiritual.
The belief goes far beyond sightings. Alan's book is a
collection of essays from sources representing a variety of eclectic
occultist influences. What's been found in that and underground and Antarctica.
If you've listened to some of these people coming out
like I, like Linda Malton House, She's mentioned the book.
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She's did a whole bunch of shows on what whistle
blows have told her. What's under the ice in Antarctica,
which is this complex cavern of of ancient hieroglyphics that
they can't explain. Linda Moulton How's first memory of contact
was while she was playing outside during the summer of
nineteen fifty two. She loved looking at the moon, and
the full ones like this always made her gasp. As
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she stared, all sounds faded away and the moon appeared
to be getting closer. Then suddenly she was on the moon.
Then inside it, it's hollow, she discovered, and it's watching us.
Then she was back to her position on the lawn.
She shares an excerpt from a book written by William
Mills Tompkins quote. It has been known for thousands of
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years that the Moon is not a planetary moon. It
is a hollow moon station that was built out in
the galaxy by one of the federations, towed into Earth
orbit and parked with one side facing Earth first. It's
not our moon planet. Earth is not our planet. We're
just allowed to use it while working for them at
slightly above the slave level. The Moon and Earth both
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belonged to several empties out there. Tompkins also believed that
World War Two was an extraterrestrial war fought through human bodies.
The Nazis partnered with the real yah et S, who
then went to inhabit deep underground cabins beneath the Antarctica,
but they discovered they weren't alone. Large reptilian humanoids and
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smaller gray humanoids were already there. The three mixed and
matched genes and already evolving humans. I like to look
at what cannot be explained and try to explain it.
I'm not saying what I'm saying is true. I think
the human intelligence has always put out hypotheses about certain things.
Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong, and um, but that's
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what that's what we are as creative, inventive beings. We're
always trying to explain reality, and we always have to
keep revising our explanations. Thomas Coon's um. He says science
gets stuck in their paradigm because and they don't include
anything outside of it. They call it anomaly. But he
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says anomalies aren't what push scientific investigation. You have to
incorporate things that don't fit into your your worldview into
a bigger worldview. It keeps pushing the envelope forward. This
argument from New Age Profits that the reason scientists don't
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believe that aliens are here and abducting them is because
it conflicts with their current paradigm is a bad faith
argument that shows their complete lack of understanding on the subject.
Discovering intelligent life would be the greatest discovery in the
history of mankind. It's what scientists dream of. I don't
believe we're alone, but there's absolutely or evidence that they're here.
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As my fellow skeptics, if they believed intelligent life existed,
I'm totally open to it. I would love that to happen.
But you're gonna have more convincing evidence. You're gonna have
some actual evidence, something concrete. We can explore something multiple
scientists can, you know, get their hands on and play with.
I'm desperate for it to happen. I'm totally open minded
that there's two things about that. You know, I personally
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would like that to happen. But also if it was happening,
it would be super significant. It wouldn't just be like, oh,
there's aliens, Okay, it would be holy crap, there's aliens.
Let's everything we know about the universe has changed, and
the future trajectory of human existence has been irrevocably altered
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in a way that no one expected, and it's entirely unknown,
and there's all kinds of possibilities and dangers that we
now need to consider. So the idea that the government
is covering up this this thing as if it's like
just some small thing that it can just cover. Oh yeah,
there's aliens, but you know, we're not going to talk
about it. It's it's ridiculous because if there's aliens, it's
the biggest story in human history, not just like simply
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because it's like super interesting, but because it would change everything.
It would change transport. For one thing, I just like this,
look at one real simple thing. Transport Everything we know
about transportation would change. We wouldn't be needing to use
fossil fuels anymore. The F thirty five fighter program would
be completely obsolete, you know, one point six trillion dollar program,
completely obsolete. So if these things were actually true, if
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it was this revolutionary thing that is actually there, the
government will be spending billions and billions and billions of
dollars investigating it. It would be this the most serious
thing that's ever happened. Not just the US government, all
the governments China, Russia, Iran and Brazil, Argentina, Australia, Great Britain, France,
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all the governments would be prioritizing this as the most
important thing to look at ever. But they're not. Nothing
is happening. How do anything is happening. There's there's like
a crappy little program to theorize about what the future
of aviation might be, which also studies UFOs just in
case they have some clues. That's it. So I think
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that really indicates the level of evidence that's actually there
and available to the government. There's there's there's nothing to disclose.
There are things in the sky. Sometimes we don't know
what they are, but we're not on the version of
disclosure of a new paradigm in human existence. Unlike science,
Alan fails to recognize his existing bias and instead seeks
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to reinforce it any way that he can. He always
believed there were aliens since he was a child. He
was already part of the New Age movement when he
had his encounter. Now I like Alan, and I don't
think he's lying about what he believes, but his arguments
are logical fallacies. Darryl Anka, on the other hand, is
an outright con man. He prays on vulnerable people and
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sells them hope and rocks. His performance isn't even believable.
It would be funny if it wasn't so messed up.
I reached out to him to come on, but he
never responded. Darryl, if you're listening, if you're not a grifter,
and come on the show and prove it. You won't, though,
because conveniently you can't but BacT reality. It's difficult to
make assumptions on how common intelligent life is in the
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universe because we have a sample size of one. Since
the only planet we experience did develop intelligent life, it
makes sense to assume that there are more and the
dark Forest. Answer to the Fermi paradox is based on
our current level of technology. It's definitely possible that intelligent
life is so far different than us. We're so much
more advanced that we simply cannot see or comprehend it.
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The example commonly used is could you explain what a
freeway is to an aunt? So while there are plenty
of reasons to believe intelligent life exists, there's no reason
to believe they're already here. I think this breaks down
to the different ways people's minds work. We've evolved to
reduce uncertainty by making connections in our minds. If someone
is a custom framework that when they see something they
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can't explain, they'll inform it. The ironic thing is that
they make an identical argument for why others don't agree
with them. The only difference is that they have zero
evidence and expect us to disprove it. New Age spiritualism
is based on partially rejecting the rigid religious paradigm that
existed at the time. I rejected the one I was
presented with as well, but I don't need to replace
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it with more nonsense. The universe is chaotic, our existence
doesn't require a god or anything else to be meaningful.
The sheer fact that we exist against such odds is
worth celebrating, and instead of reaching out to the stars
for validation, we should be quiet and wait because the
forest is dark and there could be others like us.
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Thanks for listening to Prodigy. If you want to share
your thoughts or experiences, then reply the tweet of this episode.
My handle is low will be eighty five. Alan seems
well intentioned. If you want to hear more interesting theories,
pick up a copy of his book Making Contact and
check out his YouTube channel New Realities. To learn more
about what we know and don't know about the universe
from someone more qualified than myself. Listen to Daniel and
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Jorge explain the universe. Not only is Daniel incredibly knowledgeable
about physics and an excellent speaker, he's brilliant at making
complex subjects easy to understand, which is no simple task.
Check out Mick West's YouTube channel, where he breaks down
the Navy pilot videos, along with a lot of other
conspiracy theories in a logical and digestible way. Pick up
a copy of his book on how to Respectfully Debunk
Conspiracy theories with facts and logic called Escaping the rabbit Hole.
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He also has a podcast called Tales from the rabbit
Hole and a forum called metabunk dot org. If you
want to connect with me, visit prodigy podcast dot com,
where I have links to all my socials. I love
hearing from people. Special links to Gianna for voicing the intro.
Prodigy was created and produced by me Lowberlante. The executive
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your podcasts. A Happy expaytie
Prodigy is the production of my heart radio. Our galaxy
contains billions of Earth like planets, with so many opportunities
for life, how could we possibly be alone? Everything is
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very spread out and far away, but it's also been
around a long time. A thousand civilizations could have colonized
the entire thing by the time we discovered fire. So
the question is where is everybody? This is the Fermi paradox,
and there are several theories that attempt to explain it.
Perhaps an event destroy civilizations before they can spread out,
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like nuclear war or a deadly virus. It's a concept
known as the Great Filter. Frightening lye plausible, but it
might not be ahead of us. It could be behind
maybe getting this far at all as a trillion to
one odds. But if Earth isn't rare and intelligent life
is common, the fact that we can't see any could
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be the most terrifying thing imaginable. What if they are there,
but they're being very very quiet. If you look at
our own history of how we've evolved, killed, consumed, and
conquered to become the dominant species on the planet, it's
obvious that we are extremely dangerous if we encounter others.
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It's likely they've done the same thing and are also dangerous.
We've advanced enough to be kind of civil and want
to be their friends, but communication is extremely difficult. Sending
a message from one planet to another takes decades. We
don't know if they're friendly, and they don't know if
we are. Whoever strikes first will probably destroy the other.
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It's the first strike advantage. The media depicts interplanetary war
as invading fleets, but none of that is really necessary.
All they have to do is fire a small object
relatively close to the speed of light at us, and
the energy created on impact would be like a thousand
nuclear bombs. If a planet in the galaxy has a
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civilization just a bit more advanced than ours, they could
have the technology to fire these missiles at every planet
they see. With intelligent life, when threats are unknown, you
need to be cautious. You don't call out. You're either
very quiet or you're dead because the forest is dark
and there are predators. This is prodigy. As a child,
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Alan knew that stars weren't just dots in the night sky.
They were the porch lights of other people's homes, and
it was frustrating that adults never seemed to pay much
attention to them. When he discovered science fiction books and shows,
they filled his mind with wonder While other kids were
studying math and history, Alan was discovering humanoid creatures who
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could communicate with their minds. In the sixth grade, a
teacher told his mother that Alan needed to stop reading
those books because it was hurting studies. Alan was devastated,
but he still wondered about things. Why did the moon
appear to be the same size as the sun. Science
said it was a coincidence, but he knew better. At university,
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Alan was reading James Joyce when he came upon a
sentence that sent a bolt of lightning through him. Welcome,
o life. I go to encounter for the millionth time
the reality of experience, and to forge in the smithy
of my soul, the uncreated conscience of my race. At
that moment, Alan knew that was his mission as well.
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He would bring his awareness to others. Alan set off
on a road trip to scout the perfect location where
he would take heart in the Harmonic Convergence, an event
where people around the world would meditate at the same time,
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activating a new age of universal peace in Sidonia, he
attended a channeling event. When a woman named Jane walked
past him, he could feel her energy vibrating. They were
inexorably drawn together. Not long after, they were driving along
the highway through western Nebraska, and exhausted from a long
day on the road, decided to pull off into the
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farmlands to find the place to sleep. They rolled into
a quiet dirt road and parked. That night, Alan Steinfeld
was abducted by aliens. We felt like in the night
we were frozen in place. I mean, who even remembers
that kind of thing, you know, I don't remember the position.
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I went to bed and and I woke up, and
it's not something that stands out. So anyway, he had
that experience. And then I also had this mark on
the back of my leg, this four pronged puncture mark,
which you know might be strange. My I mean, I
didn't see it. Actually. I came back home and my
mother said, what's that little marking there? I said, oh,
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it's nothing. And then I met some people connected to
the Bud Hopkins intruder groups and I just asked them
about this. I said, you know, this is this anything
that has shown enough before? And they said, yes, that
is an abduction market. It kind of freaked me out.
When Alan heard that the unexplained mark was from an abduction,
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he decided to take part in a hypnotic regression to
see what he could learn about that night. In this regression,
there were beings that had appeared. You know, what's so
weird is that there is a trauma associated to this,
and and traumas are not easily accessible by the conscious mind.
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So anyone who's had any kind of trauma war they
used to call it combat the tea, And so the
trauma is encountering beings that are not in our worldview.
We we don't consider them real. And then when you
do encountering, there's a part of the conscious mind that disassociates.
The disassociation is the activation of the trauma. Hypnotic regression
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therapy is used by some clinicians to treat repressed trauma
by accessing the subconscious mind. Alan thought he couldn't remember
how he got the mark because of the trauma it created.
I got back to some of that in one regression
and saw these beings opening the back door of the
span we're sleeping in. And that's sort of as far
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as I've gotten or willing to get, because I wasn't
ready to go into that realm um, but I might
be now, I might be now, So that my experience
was based on just it was a physical marking, a
vague notion. And then after at experience driving chrisco, I
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did have these dreams of these beings showing up and
it was dream like. But you know, dreams, you they
just fade away as you get up. But some dreams
you never forget. Those are dreams I I don't consider
normal nocturnal hallucinations. There's something happening and an altered state.
The mind is a powerful thing and dreams can seem
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quite real, especially when we aren't fully asleep. Listen to
the Lucid Dreaming episode to learn more. Yeah, I have
these dreams of this little being handed to me this,
and I think it was a hybrid. So I think
they take our genetics, they mix it with theirs, and
they create these little hybrid beings because they need our
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genetics to evolve. Alan believes that aliens need our DNA
so that they can use it to evolve. This creates hybrids.
He knows it sounds odd and doesn't have any evidence
that could possibly convince a skeptic like me, But he
still believes it. And one reason is because of channeling.
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There's something about consciousness that transcends the hardware. Your brain
is your hardware, your personalities, your software. But you know,
if you're at a computer, you need more than hardware
and software. You know what you need internet, Internet, yes,
but more than that, you need an operator. So it's like,
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have you ever seen a dead person. There's the brain there,
but there's there's no activity, there's nothing there, there's nobody home,
there's no operator, So I think the operators. Transcendent channeling
is when someone can communicate across space and time. This
is like a medium who communicates with the afterlife. But
Shar is being channeled by Daryl Anko who goes into
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a state and picks up this other frequency. It's like
a radio. You know, the formation of that signal is
not from the radio. It's being received by the radio
or an enginet or the phone. Our brains are receiving signals.
So he just switched his channel a little bit and
picks up the Shar. Who's this being, this extraterrestial being
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who's talked about, Yes, there's been this hybrid program. Darryl
Anka is one of the more interesting characters I discovered
along this journey. He was a visual effects designer for
movies like I Robot, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Iron Man.
In three he had two close encounters quote. I had
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close range broad daylight sightings of UFOs with witnesses present
both times. At each siding, we saw a dark, metallic
triangular craft about thirty feet on each side. There were
three blue white lights, one on each point and one
orange red light in the center. This event kicked off
darryl study of extraterrestrials. Ten years later, he began to
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learn about channeling. In doing so, he was able to
connect with an alien named the Shar. Darryl is able
to connect with Bashar by achieving Gama state. Gama state
is the highest frequency our brain waves can achieve, and
it's quite real. It's often called flow state. Think of
it like being in the zone. When Darrell achieves Gama state,
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he can tune to Bashar's frequency like a radio. Bashar
is a contact specialist, basically an ambassador to new worlds
like ours. He's from a planet called Sasani and has
revealed to Earth through Darryl, the four laws of creation,
which are meant to help us recognize our true nature
and function. Number One, you exist. Two, the one is all,
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and the all are one. Three what you put out
is what you get back. Four Change is the only
constant except for the first three laws. In two thousand fifteen,
Alan invited Daryl to be on his YouTube channel, New Realities.
So you've been channeling for Sharper twenty four years. Twenty
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four years, And when I'm curious about is the process
of what you do to tap into that other place
in order to bring this entity through just described. Yeah,
the connection process, as I understand that is kind of
a telepathic contact. And what I've been trained to do
is change the frequency of my own brain waves to
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be something closer to the level in which they exist.
And at the same time, Bishar will do the same
thing from his end. So that's somewhere in the middle
the brainwave frequencies meet and locked together, and what you
then get is his thoughts translating into the language that
I obviously was raised to understand, which is English. He's
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not speaking, He's just sending thoughts. But I'm translating that
because our wavelength so synchronized. After a brief introduction, Alan
prompts Darryl to channel Baschar. Darryl takes off his glasses
and takes a sip of water. This is exciting. I
don't think anyone's ever actually channeled on the program. During
the interview, Darrel slowly turns, looks at him go and chuckles,
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then adjust himself to begin. He covers his face in
his hands to refocus, takes a deep breath, wipes his nose,
and coughs. He interlocks his fingers, twitches once, then sharply
exhales another twitch, cough, twitch, breath, twitch, cough. His clasp
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hands pull apart, and he brings his fingertips together. After
thirty more seconds of deep breasts, twitches, and costs, suddenly
Darryl connects with the sharll take good day, dying, How
are you very good? Thank you so much for being here.
It is our pleasure always to co create these transmissions
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with each and every one of you. For In speaks
with his eyes closed, his fingertips together, and with an
accent that comes and goes. What would you like to
discuss this there? Well? First of all, the sort of
the process, because I talked to Darryl a little bit about, um,
what happens. Are you waiting on this other side for
him to just go to that space? No real waiting
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is happening on our behalf because we can instantly sense
when the connection needs to happen. We may be having
this communication with you in what you would consider to
be your past or your future, so it doesn't necessarily
interrupt our time frame when you decide to do this,
so you aren't busy doing something else like having lunch
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or something. And then besides which we don't eat. Okay,
tell us where you're from, who you are, basically what
time frame you exist in. We are in what you
might call an altered the dimension of reality explains that
his people are genetically related to ours. So where's Earth now?
Three years in the future. It is in that sense
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a planet that has changed from three years. Our planet
will have changed drastically, but will interact with the Sanishar
is here to help us make the transition into the
Federation of Planets. So you've said, in the past, one
third of the population has been abducted by gray aliens.
In order for your experiment to be carried out. It
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is not our experiment. We are the result of the experiment,
and it is not exactly an experiment. It is the
idea of the continuation of their race through the utilization
of your So the beings abducting us are not aliens.
They are mutated humans from a parallel reality called the Grays.
They destroyed their civilization and ability to reproduce, so they
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take our DNA in order to evolve. This creates a
series of hybrid races, one of which is bars people
the Sani. I mean, I feel in harmony with you
and and very much in touch with Alan mentions that
he feels like he's already been genetically altered for the
last three generations in his family, maybe three generations in
my family, ten ten generations, thank you, and and they've
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done this in order to take genetic He confirms that
the Grays have done this to match the genetic frequency
that they want to integrate frequency. That says yes, and
reminds Alan that it was by agreement, whether he remembers
it or not. Actually, I don't really remember all of it,
although I do have vague memories of this little being
being placed in my hands in this case, and was
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that was one of my early hybrids, early hybrid children
in the sense different degrees of genetic material will wind
up in different hybrid children. So I've had a lifetime
of abductions basically. Would you say, if you want to
look at it that way, or you could say you
have a lifetime of co participation in a very large
scale program that will benefit your world immends lam Well,
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it depends on how you wish to look at it. No,
I'm actually very honored to be the father of an
alien race. I I really I think that's we thank
you for your participation, without which we would not be right.
And I and I great great great great great great
grand father. You mean we're related distantly. I mean some
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of my gen x went into Bischar, not directly, but
into the lines. I love that. Thank you. Could I
talk to one of my direct descendants a little over
forty five minutes into the interview, Richard, thanks us for
taking part in the link, and we bid each and
every one of you individually and all of you together collectively,
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a fond, exciting, passionate and creative good day. Then, with
the sharp exhale and a jerk of his neck, his
hand snap apart, and the link is broken. Darryl rubs
his face as if waking up early from a nap.
How did it? Thank you? How you beautiful? I'm waking up.
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I got a lot of energy. Back to my interview
with Alan, he explains his theory on channeling Whi's the
source of the energy that's feeding your brain to say
these sounds, to listen to these words, to comprehend it.
What's the source of that. It's not just neurological activity
that's that's the hardware. What's feeding the hardware? That's the
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mystery here. And I don't have an answer for that.
I just say that maybe consciousness is non local. But
Char's message is all about self empowerment and achieving the
life you desire. He recently offered us a gift, the
Sanni contact crystal. The crystal can be yours at a
low low price of a hundred and seventy five dollars.
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The Sani have bills to pay too. I wonder why
the Sni haven't visited us yet. The distance between stars
is large, and we understand that the speed of light
is a universal speed limit. But Allen actually figured out
a way to travel instantaneously Einstein, and physics says, yeah,
there's a speed limit, but quantum physics says that there's
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instantaneous association. Einstein called spooky action at a distance that
he could not explain how objects could travel instantaneously from
one place to another beyond the speed of light. And
that's because in quantum physics they say there's an entanglement property.
You affect one spin of electron here, it affects another
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one beyond the speed of light, beyond the distance of
a light year, or somewhere else. So look into that
if you want to understand how we possibly can travel
faster than the speed of light. I listen to this
fun and informative show about physics called Daniel and Jorge
Explain the Universe. Host Daniel Whitson is a particle physicist
and a super nice guy who came on to explain
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how it works and if it can be used for
faster than light travel. Quantum entanglement is a really fun
and fascinating and super counterintuitive concept. It actually comes out
of a thought experiment by Einstein, who was trying to
show the quantum mechanics is nonsense. He was trying to
come up with an idea an example of how it
leads to something which shouldn't make any sense, but then
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people did the experiment and they discovered, actually it doesn't
make sense, but it's also real. It's like the way
the universe actually works. And what happens is that you
have two particles that have their fates connected. And that
happens when you have like two particles that come from
a single process, so there's some like constraint on what
happens to them. For example, you have a photon and
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it generates for you an electron and an anti electron.
That those two particles have to have opposite electric charge
because their electric charge has to add back up to
the electric charge of the photon. So they have this constraint,
this connection between them. And so the way you make
two quantum entangled particles is you have a situation like
that with a constraint, and often you'll have it. For example,
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on the particles spin, So maybe you have a particle
with no spin and it decays into two particles that
do have some spins. Then their spins have to cancel out,
and so you have one particle might be spin up
the other one In that case would have to be
spinned down, or if the first particle spin down, then
the second one has to be spin up. Now the
quantum mechanical part arises because you don't know which one
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is spin up and which one is spin down. So
imagine you create these two particles. You don't know which
one is spin up and which one has spin down,
but you know that only one of them can be
spin up. Now you separate them really far away. One
of them is a mile or a light year away
from the other one, and each one still has the
chance to be spin up or spin down. Now look
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at particle number one. You open the box, you ask
is this one spin up or spin down? And the
universe decides at that moment. It's not like it was
secretly spin up the whole time or spin down the
whole time. It was uncertain. It had both possibilities existing
the whole time time. And then when you open the
box and you ask is this one spin up, then
the universe decides, yes, this one's spin up. And what
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that means is that the other particle, which is now
really far away a mile or a light year, instantaneously
becomes spin down. So you have two particles separated by distance.
Both have a possibility to be spin up or spin down,
but the entanglement means they have to be opposite. So
when you measure one, the other one suddenly goes from
being uncertain to being definitely the opposite of the first particle.
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That's quantum entanglement, and we don't understand the mechanism for that.
How that happens. If there's some like quantum account in
somewhere that's like, you know, making all these things add up.
But we know that it does. We've done the experiments,
we see that this actually happens in real life. Well,
is there any way it could be used for faster
than light travel? I understand why you might think so,
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because there is a factor in there which is instantaneous.
If you open box number one and you find out
that now the particles spin up, then instantaneously the other
box goes from being undetermined to being definitely spin down.
So that feels like maybe there's a way to get
around the light speed limit because there's some sort of
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instantaneous communication happening there. That is true. However, it is
not possible, definitely, absolutely not possible, to use this property
to send any information across the universe faster than the
speed of light. And that's because we can't control what
these things are. All we can do is observe them.
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So you can't, for example, take box number one and
force it to be spin up, which would make box
number two spin down. So you can't like manipulate box
number one in a way that affects box number two.
All you can do is ask the question, what's in
my box? Well, do you think there's any way we
could travel faster than the speed of light. Absolutely, there's
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a lot we don't know about the universe. This rule
seems pretty hard and fast. It's like encoded deep into
the bedrock firmament of physics. I would be pretty surprised
if we discovered any way to send information faster than
the speed of light. Einstein showed that if you send
information faster than the speed of light, weird stuff happens,
like causes can come after effects, you know, like you
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can be hit by an arrow before you even shoot
the arrow. Crazy stuff like that. So I think it's
pretty unlikely we're going to find a way around moving
through space or sending information through space faster than the
speed of light. But there are some loopholes that I
think we could use to affect the same results. Like
if what you want to do is send information between
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here and a distant place, and you want to do
it basically instantaneously, you can't do it by sending information
through space, but you might be able to do something
like bending space. Right your goal is not necessarily to
actually go through all that space. Your goal is just
to get the information from here to there. And one
thing we have the and about space is that it's
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not flat. It's not just like a background where things happen.
It can bend and ripple and do all sorts of
weird things. And so, for example, you might be able
to build a wormhole. A wormhole is a shortcut through space.
And if you can connect our local space to some
distance space far away, then you don't have to break
the light speed rule. You just sort of like made
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a shortcut. Wormholes are theoretical, We've never seen one, but
there's nothing in the laws of physics that prevents them
from being real. We've seen space being bad. That's not
theoretical at all. The Sun bend space, the Earth bend space,
You bend space, were bending space right now, And of course,
black holes bend them most dramatically and show us how
bending space leads to all sorts of weird effects, like
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like getting trapped. Right, the reason that light is trapped
inside a black hole is not because the gravity is
so powerful you can pull on even massless photons. It's
because it's bent the shape of space so much that
every step forward is actually towards the center of the
black hole. So space is this weird malleable thing, and
you can bend it to your will. Perhaps, and one
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day we might be able to build wormholes that connect
us to where we want to go, so we don't
have to travel through space less than the speed of light.
You can just travel a short distance at whatever speed
we want and still get to our destination. Instead of
aggressive advertisements, brain blasting capitalist consumerism, let's talk about something
(25:29):
you might actually like. Daniel and Jorge Explain the Universe
is a podcast that explains the scientific secrets of the universe.
Since podcast don't require eyeballs, you can do other stuff
while you listen, like cleaning that impressive layer of dust
stuff you're ceiling fan while you learn about everything we
do and don't know about the universe. It's hosted by
Daniel Whitson, a particle physicist and professor at U c Irvine,
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and Jorge cham, a cartoonist and engineer whose dad jokes
can totally beat your dad's dad jokes in a fight.
So if you want to gain their the i Q points,
listen to day On Jorge explain the universe wherever you
get your podcasts back to Prodigy. So if they're technologically
advanced enough to reach us, why are there only random,
isolated and unverifiable sightings akin to Bigfoot instead of something
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public like landing on the White House lawn? Because I
think they don't want to um upset the population, even
though they are upsetting people when they're taken aboard these things.
But the general population needs to slowly integrate the idea
that there are craft here, that there are beings from
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other places of the dimensions here. It's like if you
hit them all at once, we don't know what to
do with that information. You know, there was studies and
anthropology called the cargo cults when these uh Europeans used
to land on these islands in the South Pacific and
they come off out with all their equipment and all
their um, you know, higher technologies and societies would dissolve
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because they weren't ready to integrate this new phase that we, like,
you know, we've developed over the last hundred years. We
need to integrate those things into our society, and this
is what happened in those cargo cults that started to
worship these Europeans who had this higher technology, and the
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society dissolves. So I think that's one lesson from history.
We can see that if a higher advanced civilization tracks
with a lower advanced civilization, meaning us, they're shocked and stunned.
And so maybe technology has been given to us slowly
over time in order to integrate these other beings in
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our awareness. That's why they're not showing up all at once,
because they they're they're basically compassionate if they wanted to
invade or take over whatever they are. I'm not even
saying they're aliens. I don't know what they are, but
there's something out there, and if they were to show
up all at once, we would be freaked out. They're
slow rolling their introduction so we don't freak out and
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start worshiping their magic. That's a logical argument, but it
depends on if you believe the people who have had encounters.
Is it possible that they're just grifters lying to make
money off the mentally vulnerable even if there's no evidence,
If someone reputable has seen it, then it holds more weight.
There actually has been three recent sightings from Navy pilots.
The incidents are known as flear or nimits go fast
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and gimble. Like a lot of scientists today, Neils across
Tyson said, all the stuff they're seeing on radar and
all that is just an apparition of the radar itself.
And has he listened to the navy pilots say well,
we saw something with our own eyes and it just
disappears these are trained observers. So what do you think?
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Do you think they're hallucinating? What do you think when
Navy pilots come out and say they seen stuff Acom's razor,
it's I think a simpler explanation as opposed to, you know,
intelligent life coming and visiting. But you know that is
the simplest explanation, really, I think that is much simpler
than trying to say these four pilots were hallucinating. Was
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something we can't explain in earth set place I'm just curious,
from a skeptics point of view, why is the the
idea of aliens visiting this planet a hard one to grasp?
That seems like the outcomes razor no answer, Well, nothing
would make me more excited. It would be the greatest
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discovery in the history of mankind. Absolutely, that's why we're
talking about this. But what makes you think it's not that? Oh,
by any evidence. You don't get evans to to disprove something.
You only get evidence to prove something, right, the evidence,
So what evidence do you have that it isn't aliens?
But I don't have any evidence that it is aliens. Though,
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as a well meaning jerk, occasionally I debate people about
the existence of God, the offense you can't to prove
that God doesn't exist. This is the point in the
conversation where I say the burden approve is not on me.
The burden approof is on the person making the claim.
Maybe you're right, we can't say it's alien, but we
could say what Alesando says, it is not Luise Alesando.
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You know who he is. He came out on sixty
minutes Washington Posts. He can say they're not Russians they're
not Chinese, and they are not ours, and they do
not seem to be made by any country on this earth.
He doesn't mention the alien word because when he does that,
it puts us in a hole of the ball game.
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But if it's not Russian, Chinese or ours, who's developing
these incredibly technically sophisticated aircraft that can speed away at
eighty thousand miles an hour that don't do not seem
to have any propulsion system, who's doing that? We'll get
into that, but first let's see how UFOs came into
our culture. This is Toby Ball, host of the podcast
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Strange Arrival. When people take a look at sort of
the modern UFO era, right, it goes back to and
that was when in rapid succession a guy named Kenneth
Arnold saw He didn't really call them disks or saucers.
They looked more like sort of boomerangs almost, But he
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said they skipped across the sky like saucers on on water.
I think it's the way he put it, And that
saucers thing got picked up. So they're called flying saucers,
which is an interesting thing in and of itself, and
that that sort of drove what people were seeing in
the skies afterwards, and then it was just very shortly,
I think less than a month after that roswell happened.
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What happened with the Betty and Barney Hill thing and
why they are are really important in UFO lore. This
happened in nineteen sixty one. Up until then, there were
people who claimed to have interactions with aliens. They were
called the Contact Ease, and they were mostly talking about
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basically human aliens coming from like Venus or Mars or
somewhere in our solar system and landing with like a
message of peace. Some people wrote books where they had
these like crazy space adventures with these people, but it
was sort of like a kind of like a Buck
Rogers type of thing. Like I don't think it's hard
to imagine anybody took it super literally. So what happened
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with Betty and Barney Hill is that their story, which
is markedly different. There wasn't this message that beings were
clearly not human, their alien and their interaction wasn't like
a chat, you know. They were abducted, they were brought
onto a spaceship, they had an exam performed on each
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of them. So when that was done, and I think
when it was put forward to the public and the
public found out about it, it just seemed like a
different in kind right. It seemed like, okay, is like
genuinely mysterious, and it doesn't seem like it's some kind
of weird, sort of allegorical story that somebody's trying to
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get a point across with. It sounds like a real
encounter with beings that are unknown to us. From that
point until you know, late nineties, early two thousands, which
is sort of when the whole alien abduction thing kind
of run its course. As far out and as wildest
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thing's got, they still kind of hearkened back to these
essential elements of the story that the Hill's told, And
I think that's one of the really, you know, remarkable
things about it, Like whether you are a believer in
their story or a skeptic or whatever, they somehow between
the two of them created this framework that was so
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compelling to so many people that it really drove a
lot of what we think about aliens and UFO and
certainly believers and believers in alien abductions. It all goes
back to this one, you know, story or incident between
these two people in nine. The humanoid extraterrestrials known as
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the Grays that Bishard described earlier were popularized by the
Betty and Barney Hill abduction and inspired thousands of similar
abduction claims, along with appearances in film and television. Although
they didn't enter the mainstream until that nineteen sixty one abduction,
they actually appeared in literature as early as eight one.
In fact, they appeared in an episode of The Outer
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Limits just twelve days before Barney described them under hypnotic regression.
In the US, they are described in seventy of all
abduction reports. So we can trace back how the Grays
entered our folklore. But for most people, I'm assuming the
archetype has been long played out. But an article published
in two thousand seventeen changed that. This time there were
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sightings of spacecrafts on video, and they weren't from random people.
There were U. S. Navy pilots who were known as
trained observers. Who's made this technology? That these at least
go back to two thousand four the knemits are seeing,
I mean, what other explanation I'm interested? Should we now
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accept that ailiens are not only confirmed, they're also here
or is there a simpler explanation to explain this phenomenon.
I spoke with Mick west nick As a YouTube channel
where he provides factual explanations for conspiracy theories like UFO
sidings and chem trails. This object doesn't actually move on
screen except when the camera moves, and it resembles an
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out to focus, low resolution, backlit plane. I don't know
what the pilots saw, but this video does not show
anything really interesting. The gimbal video is also probably on
a plane. It's not rotating. What you see is the
infraregularity the engines, which is larger than the plane. It
looks like it's rotating because of an artifact at the
gimble mounted camera system. Oh, the aura around the plane,
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that's just image sharpening. It happens all the time in
thermal camera footage. It's not an alien warp drive. It's
just the unsharped mask filter. The Go Fast video probably
shows a balloon. It's not moving fast. It's not giving
the recent stuff. How did that start? That was kind
of like, in a way, the mainstreaming of UFOs, and
it started in twenty seventeen with the publication of an
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article called glowing auras and black money in the New
York Times, which was a story about this program within
the Pentagon, a program called a TIP A T I
P and that was studied by Senator Harry Reid, and
it went to his friend Robert Bigelow, who is a
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eccentric millionaire, I guess would be a good way of
describing him, who was really interested in the paranormal and
in aliens. Ultimately, that's why we are where we are today.
There's been sightings in the US was for many many
years like that. But the one kind of iconic siting
that we're talking about here is the Nimits encounter of
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two thousand and four, which is a long time ago,
seventeen years ago now, so it's it's kind of an
old one even by UFO standards. The Nimitts battle group
was off the Curse of San Diego and they were
having radar issues where they were seeing these these targets
on the radar, which with these very slow moving targets
that were moving in groups of five down the screen
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from north to south, and they couldn't figure out what
it was. They thought maybe it was a rad ug ledge,
so that people thought it was like some kind of
ice cloud or something like that serious cloud, And eventually
they sent people to see if they can intercept one
of these. And then the pilots who went there had
some kind of encounter with some kind of object that
they called described as a large tic Tac shaped object.
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And then later another pilot went out and he took
some video, very britty, blurry video of a distant object
that looks very politic tac shape. It doesn't really look
like tic tac shape, but this is I think the
whole mythology has grown around this, this encounter. We don't
have very much in terms of actual data from it.
For many people, they became this iconic encounter with the
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UFO that convinced them that UFOs were real. So you
could definitely point to that as being one of the
starting points of the modern UFO flap. When I think
of the most qualified people to observe these sightings, I
immediately think of Navy pilots. How does that factor in?
Pilots are trained observers, but what they're trained to observe
are other planes. I've had some pilot training and they
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teach you what they call these these scan patterns where
you scan the sky. You have to look at various
different segments of the sky because if you just look forward,
you get this kind of blindness in your field, so
you have to keep looking. So you're trained to observe
the sky, and you're also trained to and also scan
your instruments. You have a scan pattern for your instruments
and you combine the two. But what you're trained to
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look out for other planes so you don't bump into
other planes or, in the case of military pilots, other planes,
because they're often hunting or avoiding other planes, and of
course you know the other planes that they're flying in
formation with. So whenever they see something in the sky,
they naturally assume it's another plane. And if they see
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something that's an unknown like this TikTok shaped object, I
think that the natural inclination is to think that it's
the same size as another planet long, which is exactly
what David Faber said. He says, I've seen a lot
of hornets, which is the type of play in the
f A eighteen hornet, the super hornet, and that's what
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the size he thought it was just I find I
think he just naturally assumed that's what it was, but
it could be any kind of size. Like he said
he thought it was forty ft long, it could have
been twenty ft long. It could have been ten ft long.
It could have been misjudging the distance, which means he
would misjudge how it moved and how fast it was
moving and how far away it was. So yeah, yeah, trained,
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but you can't train people to observe something you've never
seen before. He's always going to be a novel experience.
The term UFO is being replaced with U a P,
which stands for unidentified aerial phenomena and pop culture, the
term usually means aliens, but describing something as unidentified doesn't
necessarily mean another civilization. It just means we don't know
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what specifically it is yet. It could be a plane, balloon,
or a hundred other things, but we can't say for
sure without more information. Alan isn't alone in his beliefs.
He's part of the New Age movement, which will hate
to hear me say because people involved have rejected the term.
While he is on the more extreme side of it,
the movement has thoroughly permeated Western culture. Think about how
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many people you know who say they aren't religious, they're spiritual.
The belief goes far beyond sightings. Alan's book is a
collection of essays from sources representing a variety of eclectic
occultist influences. What's been found in that and underground and Antarctica.
If you've listened to some of these people coming out
like I, like Linda Malton House, She's mentioned the book.
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She's did a whole bunch of shows on what whistle
blows have told her. What's under the ice in Antarctica,
which is this complex cavern of of ancient hieroglyphics that
they can't explain. Linda Moulton How's first memory of contact
was while she was playing outside during the summer of
nineteen fifty two. She loved looking at the moon, and
the full ones like this always made her gasp. As
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she stared, all sounds faded away and the moon appeared
to be getting closer. Then suddenly she was on the moon.
Then inside it, it's hollow, she discovered, and it's watching us.
Then she was back to her position on the lawn.
She shares an excerpt from a book written by William
Mills Tompkins quote. It has been known for thousands of
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years that the Moon is not a planetary moon. It
is a hollow moon station that was built out in
the galaxy by one of the federations, towed into Earth
orbit and parked with one side facing Earth first. It's
not our moon planet. Earth is not our planet. We're
just allowed to use it while working for them at
slightly above the slave level. The Moon and Earth both
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belonged to several empties out there. Tompkins also believed that
World War Two was an extraterrestrial war fought through human bodies.
The Nazis partnered with the real yah et S, who
then went to inhabit deep underground cabins beneath the Antarctica,
but they discovered they weren't alone. Large reptilian humanoids and
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smaller gray humanoids were already there. The three mixed and
matched genes and already evolving humans. I like to look
at what cannot be explained and try to explain it.
I'm not saying what I'm saying is true. I think
the human intelligence has always put out hypotheses about certain things.
Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong, and um, but that's
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what that's what we are as creative, inventive beings. We're
always trying to explain reality, and we always have to
keep revising our explanations. Thomas Coon's um. He says science
gets stuck in their paradigm because and they don't include
anything outside of it. They call it anomaly. But he
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says anomalies aren't what push scientific investigation. You have to
incorporate things that don't fit into your your worldview into
a bigger worldview. It keeps pushing the envelope forward. This
argument from New Age Profits that the reason scientists don't
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believe that aliens are here and abducting them is because
it conflicts with their current paradigm is a bad faith
argument that shows their complete lack of understanding on the subject.
Discovering intelligent life would be the greatest discovery in the
history of mankind. It's what scientists dream of. I don't
believe we're alone, but there's absolutely or evidence that they're here.
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As my fellow skeptics, if they believed intelligent life existed,
I'm totally open to it. I would love that to happen.
But you're gonna have more convincing evidence. You're gonna have
some actual evidence, something concrete. We can explore something multiple
scientists can, you know, get their hands on and play with.
I'm desperate for it to happen. I'm totally open minded
that there's two things about that. You know, I personally
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would like that to happen. But also if it was happening,
it would be super significant. It wouldn't just be like, oh,
there's aliens, Okay, it would be holy crap, there's aliens.
Let's everything we know about the universe has changed, and
the future trajectory of human existence has been irrevocably altered
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in a way that no one expected, and it's entirely unknown,
and there's all kinds of possibilities and dangers that we
now need to consider. So the idea that the government
is covering up this this thing as if it's like
just some small thing that it can just cover. Oh yeah,
there's aliens, but you know, we're not going to talk
about it. It's it's ridiculous because if there's aliens, it's
the biggest story in human history, not just like simply
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because it's like super interesting, but because it would change everything.
It would change transport. For one thing, I just like this,
look at one real simple thing. Transport Everything we know
about transportation would change. We wouldn't be needing to use
fossil fuels anymore. The F thirty five fighter program would
be completely obsolete, you know, one point six trillion dollar program,
completely obsolete. So if these things were actually true, if
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it was this revolutionary thing that is actually there, the
government will be spending billions and billions and billions of
dollars investigating it. It would be this the most serious
thing that's ever happened. Not just the US government, all
the governments China, Russia, Iran and Brazil, Argentina, Australia, Great Britain, France,
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all the governments would be prioritizing this as the most
important thing to look at ever. But they're not. Nothing
is happening. How do anything is happening. There's there's like
a crappy little program to theorize about what the future
of aviation might be, which also studies UFOs just in
case they have some clues. That's it. So I think
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that really indicates the level of evidence that's actually there
and available to the government. There's there's there's nothing to disclose.
There are things in the sky. Sometimes we don't know
what they are, but we're not on the version of
disclosure of a new paradigm in human existence. Unlike science,
Alan fails to recognize his existing bias and instead seeks
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to reinforce it any way that he can. He always
believed there were aliens since he was a child. He
was already part of the New Age movement when he
had his encounter. Now I like Alan, and I don't
think he's lying about what he believes, but his arguments
are logical fallacies. Darryl Anka, on the other hand, is
an outright con man. He prays on vulnerable people and
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sells them hope and rocks. His performance isn't even believable.
It would be funny if it wasn't so messed up.
I reached out to him to come on, but he
never responded. Darryl, if you're listening, if you're not a grifter,
and come on the show and prove it. You won't, though,
because conveniently you can't but BacT reality. It's difficult to
make assumptions on how common intelligent life is in the
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universe because we have a sample size of one. Since
the only planet we experience did develop intelligent life, it
makes sense to assume that there are more and the
dark Forest. Answer to the Fermi paradox is based on
our current level of technology. It's definitely possible that intelligent
life is so far different than us. We're so much
more advanced that we simply cannot see or comprehend it.
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The example commonly used is could you explain what a
freeway is to an aunt? So while there are plenty
of reasons to believe intelligent life exists, there's no reason
to believe they're already here. I think this breaks down
to the different ways people's minds work. We've evolved to
reduce uncertainty by making connections in our minds. If someone
is a custom framework that when they see something they
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can't explain, they'll inform it. The ironic thing is that
they make an identical argument for why others don't agree
with them. The only difference is that they have zero
evidence and expect us to disprove it. New Age spiritualism
is based on partially rejecting the rigid religious paradigm that
existed at the time. I rejected the one I was
presented with as well, but I don't need to replace
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it with more nonsense. The universe is chaotic, our existence
doesn't require a god or anything else to be meaningful.
The sheer fact that we exist against such odds is
worth celebrating, and instead of reaching out to the stars
for validation, we should be quiet and wait because the
forest is dark and there could be others like us.
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Thanks for listening to Prodigy. If you want to share
your thoughts or experiences, then reply the tweet of this episode.
My handle is low will be eighty five. Alan seems
well intentioned. If you want to hear more interesting theories,
pick up a copy of his book Making Contact and
check out his YouTube channel New Realities. To learn more
about what we know and don't know about the universe
from someone more qualified than myself. Listen to Daniel and
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Jorge explain the universe. Not only is Daniel incredibly knowledgeable
about physics and an excellent speaker, he's brilliant at making
complex subjects easy to understand, which is no simple task.
Check out Mick West's YouTube channel, where he breaks down
the Navy pilot videos, along with a lot of other
conspiracy theories in a logical and digestible way. Pick up
a copy of his book on how to Respectfully Debunk
Conspiracy theories with facts and logic called Escaping the rabbit Hole.
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He also has a podcast called Tales from the rabbit
Hole and a forum called metabunk dot org. If you
want to connect with me, visit prodigy podcast dot com,
where I have links to all my socials. I love
hearing from people. Special links to Gianna for voicing the intro.
Prodigy was created and produced by me Lowberlante. The executive
producer is Tyler Klang. More podcast from My Heart Radio
visit the I Heart Radio app or wherever you get
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your podcasts. A Happy expaytie
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