November 22, 2021 • 44 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Prompt Us is a production of My Heart Radio. Welcome
back to the prompt Us podcast. Hey, you may have
heard of us talk about these episodes in previous episodes
of the podcast. The lost tapes are episodes that we
recorded before Lockdown, before we couldn't visit each other, which
makes these episodes almost two years old. Crazy. They're almost
like our demo mixtape episodes. Welcome to the prompt Us Podcast,
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where you start the conversation and prompt Us on the
topic will be discussing. Our conversations focus on personal, spiritual
and professional growth. I am Gabriel Conti and to my
left we have yes son and two am I right?
All right? Actually we have the other son, the son
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at the right hand of the father. Am I the father.
I'm Chad, Thank you, hello, Chad, masters everybody. Oh yeah,
how's it going, guys, we're still working on that. I'm
it's it's the morning, stepping on my coffee still. And
as we started recording and realized, oh, we have to
like be smart and like know what we're talking about,
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because just before hitting a record, we were just joking.
I didn't sign up for that. Being smart was that
was not in the contract. That I signed. Oh my gosh,
all right, um, I think you picked the last one,
but you also read both. So I'm going to hand
it to Zach and getting any option here, I'm handing
you we have three prompts submitted by you guys. That's true,
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by the audience. If you want to submit proms, you
can head to our Instagram page and submit questions that
wherever we are d ms, those kind of things just
slide into our d m s. We'd very much appreciate that.
It's how my wife got me, she said in the
d M. My wife got me. Oh my gosh. Anyway, technically,
technically I slid into the dam. It's the future. It's
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the future, the future. Okay, pick one, two or three,
just grab all right, putting the other two back on
the table and they might be answered in a later podcast.
But we don't know what they are. We have not
seen these prompts. Our producer, our producers Jess County and
Chelsea Pharaoh put these together for us. That's how you see,
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all right, you guys, Ready, here we go down, let
me go. Okay, the prompt foot today. How do you
know the difference between God speaking to you and you
speaking to yourself. Oh my thank that episode in it's Wow,
that's a that's a heavy hitter. That's a heavy hitter.
So I'll read again. How do you know the difference
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between God speaking to you and you speaking to yourself? God?
Bless it. I just want to encourage everyone to go
ahead and buckle up, you know, because it's gonna be
a wild, wild ride because I think as we do
this episode, we're going to have to be careful to
make sure it's God speaking through us speaking to them. Dude, dang,
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that that was the most I don't know what's the
term for that, like meta. I feel like Ryan Reynolds
in Deadpool chat us up absolutely. So I think I
have such an interesting take on this topic because I
didn't grow up a Christian. I didn't grew up practicing
trying to hear from God. I only listened to my
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internal dialogue, and so that meant that whenever I became
a believer, it was really confusing for me to try
to you know, it's honestly, it sounds so interesting. Oh yeah,
it's like the little voice in your head, and that's
what a lot of atheists tend to think what God is.
But as weird does it may sound, we do have
a consciousness that does speak to us, and you know,
and and it and encourages us or or it puts
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us down. It does so many different things. And so
as I was becoming a Christian, I had to really
learn how to differentiate what is actually God calling me
to through either a prompting hashtag prompt us or if
it's me in my own upbringing, my own cultural environment,
whatever it was, it's my own experience is speaking into
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a certain situation. And I still struggle with that. Honestly,
I still have a hard time trying to differentiate, like,
oh wait a second, is this God called me to?
This is the God say date that person? To God?
Say that's my wife? Did God say start that job
or go to that career whatever? Or is that just
me my own pride or my own desires or whatever.
And probably, you know, the simple answer for me is
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learn God's word. Does that align with God's word? And
if it doesn't, then it's probably not God's saying it,
you know, and that that's at the base level. And
so I that can that can get difficult if you're
like I think I want to become an actor but
I'm not sure if that's a career path God wants
me to be on, you know what I mean, Like
that's because I say that because that was something that
I struggle with. You know, how did you deal with that? Well,
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one thing I was going to go off of what
you were saying was patience is a key factor in there,
because like one the one way or the way that
I have noticed that because a lot of people, there's
people who can like hear the voice of God or
they get like a dream, or they just really like
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in tune with that. I think some people have that
gifting more than others of being able to like I
guess here God speaking to them through prayer whatever it is,
and um, excuse me at you um, but from me,
I've never been that type of person, if that makes sense.
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So over time, like through dating Jess and seeing if
like she was going to be the person I'm married,
and a lot of just the choices I've made in
my career and stuff like that, I've noticed that patience
is a really key issue in letting the doors open
or close and being fine with the outcome, you know
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what I mean, Like not rushing the process exactly and
being fine, praying constantly and being being like, okay, God,
whatever your will is, let that be done, and I
will be okay with it, you know what I mean.
Like even with this podcast, like we're talking about it
months ago and then we're like, okay, let's talk about it,
come up with idea, will go to chat to see
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if he's down with it. That door opens, so then
it's ustering. Then we're like, okay, let's continue moving forward
and seeing how the process looks like, and if God
wants it to happen, we'll be praying about it. And
if God wants it to happen, the doors will continue
to open through God's will of like letting the process
continue on. And that's kind of a way that I
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on a practical level, um gauge if it's something God
wants me to do or not, and if it's something
that God doesn't want me to do, there'll be roadblocks there.
Like all the time. Like I mentioned with acting, I
acting was just a very like I still love acting
and I'll take jobs if they like present themselves, but
I'm not out actively auditioning because the audition process was
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not It would get me stressed out. It would fill
up my schedule like crazy last minute when my schedule
was already full, I couldn't plan out my schedule. I
would started getting like like it was one of the
few factors that ended up causing me to go into
depression and stuff like that. And it was just like
things that I knew weren't from God. And also like
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just a lot of the roles I was getting too,
I'm like, I'm never gonna want to accept this because
it's not something that I want to do with my
values and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and then like having a
wife and being you know, a Christian and stuff like that.
I there were just a lot of like kind of
roadblocks and stuff like that. Not to say that acting
is something that Christians can't do. You know, a ton
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of actors amazing Christians and stuff like that, but for me,
I think that was something God was blocking me from,
you know, not acting in general, just the process of
auditioning and trying to go that route and stuff like that.
Because there's been like other roles that I've gotten through
direct booking and stuff like that, and they've been great
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things for me to do. But um, and I think
long term, as I continue on my journey as like
a filmmaker and videographer and stuff like that. I will
want to as I, you know, continue to scale. A
dream is to be able to write my own script
and make my own movies, and I would love to
act in those as well. So I think that's more
of the path, um, that God is routing me on
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and creating my own stuff like this podcast and and
like the series that I worked on and those kind
of things, and then continue to just scale that up
little by little. Anyway, I just talked for like that,
But that's so good, and I mean, if I can
keep carry on from that. My dad always used to say,
and actually my mom as well that, Um I used
to be like, oh, is it bad because my parents
are pastors church pastors? And I was like, is it
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bad that I want to do music and not becoming pastor?
And I was always like felt guilty that I was
like not going to be a church pastor like my parents,
And um, my dad would always say, you know, like
it's it's on your heart to be a musician. It's
how you use that, you know, and that's kind of
where you know, why do you want to be a musician?
Is it because you're gonna like share like God's grace
through your music and through your influence, or because it's
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going to make you a lot of money one day,
or it's going to you know, like that was the question.
I think. I don't know if that's Bible the chatting
I look at you because I just can't. But it's
a root of the Bible, which is for whose kingdom?
Is it for yours you know, hence eating the apple,
you know? Or is it for God's skiing them by
say not eating the apple? And so I think people
get really confused over an Adam and Eve reference. Yeah,
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if you're gonna be selfish and pick the fruit off
the tree, For anyone who didn't understand that, I just
want to explain it. That my bad. So I think
people do get confused. I want you to finish that,
but they get confused apologized for making fact. I'm sorry,
I apologize. Joke is already there for dropping facts to
the facts machine. Oh my gosh, you're you're going earlier.
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He's the one who said it. Well, he said for
dropping facts, and I was like, oh here we go.
Don't get me started. I love when your voice gets like,
oh my god, Yeah, that's when I'm that's when I
get pumped up. That's when i'm that's what I'm standing
next to the facts machine or your a atatosis. So
I do think people do. I think they get confused
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over like say, the roles and like say that the
roles of church and ministry, like formal ministry or traditional
ministry versus you know, just worshiping God in your own
everyday walk. You have a very good opinion on this, Yeah,
I am pretty opinion and we'll get to that. But
I want him to finish with saying but you know,
I just want to I just want to make sure
people feel comfortable knowing that, you know, being a garbage
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man is just as edifying to God as being a pastor.
You know, there's no greater calling. And I think that
the way your parents approached you with that, uh, that
whole dialogue with you is just is perfect. You know,
like are you looking to build god kingdom with this?
Or you're looking to build your own kingdom with this?
You know? And I think like even to extend on
that and what they said, even that idea of like
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are you doing it in love? And are you doing
in love? That Jesus loved you, so you're going to
share that or you know, they just really and and
my mom it sounds so weird, but my mom was
the first person to be like, you don't have to
be a Christian artist. She's like, it's probably more influential
and better that you're an artist who's influenced as a
Christian that was influenced from Jesus, you know. And it's
actually huge coming from like parents, Yeah, our parents, let
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alone a pastor parents, you know. And I never definitely
never take that for granted, but um, yeah, it is
funny the when you are listening and you are trying
to understand, all right, I'm going to work really hard
on this now. Um and so I think you already
you guys both nailed it with patients and then also doors.
I think just taking time on it, you know, and
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actually not rushing into a project is the best way,
or not a project, but into the next step, whatever
it is, is the best way to understand if God
is part of that, because how you your heart sits
on it. It sounds so weird because it sounds like
a magic trick, like God it's just gonna like zap
and then it makes it feel good, but how your
heart feels about it over time, and and if you're
reading the Bible and you're praying about it and you're
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being patient with it, you will start to differentiate between
things that you're amped about, but things that you're amped
about with Jesus, because Jesus does get amped about stuff
that is going to build the kingdom and packed the
world in a great way, in a positive way with you,
and you can feel that. You can feel that difference well.
And on top of that, I would say, like having
that peace you know that you have, that was a
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huge thing for me to understand. Like I know I'm
in Jesus's will if I have peace in my life,
you know what I mean, that's one of it's one
of the freaks of the spirit. Yeah. Peace. Yeah, Like
I have to go through it joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self.
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I was homeschooled wrong, get over it that Ephesians five.
For anybody who was wondering. There we go. I'm kidding.
I don't know if it is. I'm just I want
to say it is, but like I don't know, Okay,
all right, anyway, I hope we didn't put your that
probably didn't, okay, But what I was saying about pieces,
that's that's something huge that I've taken on my life.
Like I didn't have peace about taking all those auditions
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and stuff like that. And I knew like over time
with my life getting more and more hackic and me
getting more and more stressed, and that causing me to
get like slightly more depressed and all those things, I
was like, oh my gosh, I don't feel peace about this.
I need to remove that from my life. And that
was God closing doors. And with God closing doors and
me's still trying to go through them, that's not going
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to cause peace in my life, you know what I mean.
So evaluating that peace constantly and like just kind of
understanding that ebb and flow as you stay close to
God through everything is something that I've learned. Is what
what what are you pointing to each other that just
hands me his phone with the Bible app open? For
God has not given us a spirit of fear into timidity,
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but of power, love and self discipline. I just want
I feel like that just related a lot to what
you're saying. I wanted you to share it. You want
me to read. I mean, well, it's the whole peace,
you know, Like what the opposite of pieces is I
guess restlessness, you know, and you know, and right right
there it's second Timothy one seven. It says, for God
is not giveness, a spirit of fear, and so that
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restlessness comes from from fear, you know. And it says
God does not work in that, He doesn't speak in that,
he doesn't he doesn't work in fear. And so if
you are fearful about something, clearly it's not from God's
And it says that he works in power and of
love and of self discipline or sound mind or self
control in different versions. And so if you have that
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peaceful mind, that sound mind, or that power and of love,
then you are walking in God's will, which is that
peace that you're talking about. And that's second Timothy one
seven for anyone who is wondering. And that's funny, that's
crazy that you say that, because like what we talked
about in some of the or what I was discussing
in some of the previous podcasts about like thoughts that
creep into my head about I think it was like
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just about starting to do things on my own separated
from Jess, you know, and I kind of just pure fear. Yeah,
it's like fear and like, wait, that's not from God.
If I'm truly doing something that is from God, I
need to have I need. I need to have power
and love and self discipline. And I feel like I've
been trying to practice that really well and do that
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through all the projects that I'm working on, you know
what I mean, like pointed back to Christ and do
it in love and the people that are around me,
like YouTube and Jess and like Jake with filming the
series and stuff, just not be just like do it
in a Christ centered way that glorifies Him and it
gives has given me so much motivation, so much like
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self discipline that's right there at the end of the verse.
And it's you know what I'm trying to say, Yeah,
like fumbling over my words a little, trying to like
you're trying to like like get my thoughts together. Don't
even think. I remember back in high school, we had
this coach. His name was Coach Kuyper. It was a
part of the soccer team, and the guy he was
like an ex professional soccer player, and I went to
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a pretty poor public school. It was a D school,
which is not good. I don't know if you're listen,
if you know the whole, like A is really good,
B is O, EO is good, C is okay, and
D is like not pass scene. These don't get degrees. Yeah,
these do not get degrees. And so our school was
rated a failing school. But we had this amazing soccer
coach and his name was coach Keiper. And if any
of us, like, I want to kick the soccer ball
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and it didn't go to the person that we wanted
it to go to, he would look at us and
say to who, to who? Like for who? Who was
that too? And we felt terrible. But honestly, I think
a lot of what we're trying to do, whether it's relationally,
personally professionally, no matter what we can ask sur if
it doesn't land, we can ask ourselves, who is that too?
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Was that to God? Or is that to us? Printing?
Oh man? But yeah, that's so true, Like where's the intention? Wait,
we need to get a fax machine button to sound
You guys have talked about that. We have, but we're
just not sure if that's too much easy or not
to be like a fax machine then you click a
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But yeah, it's pretty you're right, you know, I mean
that you're right as we're trying to be serious and
quote scripture and they we're like that, I just wanna.
I love that that Bible verse. I mean, we're gonna
keep breaking it down because it's great. But I love
that talks about self discipline and about how that is
such a major part of like yet but a power
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love and self discipline, like just take responsibility, fix it up, learn,
you know, like that's like the self discipline and that
is so yeah, it's it's so cool that that's actually
part of our spirit, you know, and that's and that's
part of like that that is what God has blessed
us with is the ability to do that. And um,
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I mean, which I feel like there's a lot of
what this podcast is is us talking about what we've
had to take and and add self discipline to and
then try to get better at um. But including learning
how to listen. And when you're talking about how I
guess acting gave and um, how you kind of felt
and how that was you learning to listen, which is
so interesting because the next time you're in that situation,
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you're gonna know, no, that's well. And it was like
three times of me jumping back in hating it, stepping
out and being like, oh, well, I want to get
back into acting, so maybe I can do it this way,
and then jumping back in hating it going out, and
then like I knew it was like, you know, like
I don't know ThReD times a charm, I guess or whatever,
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but I just like, not that that's any special thing.
Maybe I was just bad at listening to God, you know,
I mean, speaking to me. But like it finally was
like you're just not supposed to do auditions right now,
you know, like you're hating it. It's messing up your schedule.
I don't know. There's just so many factors to it,
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you know. But as you handed me back Chad's phone,
I just read verse eight and it starts, so never
be ashamed to tell others about the Lord, which I love,
you know, so like in what you're doing, don't be
fearful or timid. And if you're in the Lord, you
will have power, love and self discipline, and you're not
gonna be a shame about it, not be ashamed of
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I love that so cool, you know, I think there's
a few different stories in the Bible that really makes
me think about this is. You know, so the first
one I think of Moses and how God is basically,
you know, saying you're gonna lead the people out of
Egypt into the Promised Land. But you know, uh, spoiler alert,
Moses didn't make it in and the reason is because
he while he was following God and he was hearing
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from God, he didn't do it God's way. And you
can go in and read that. And and I think
it's in Genesis or exists, I don't remember. But and
so there's a part where the Israelites are really complaining
about something and and God had told Moses not to
do something, and he struck the rock with his staff
and and he broke God's covenant. He did exactly what
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God told him not to do. That stories that Israelites
were all thirsty and wanted water. So God said to
go and speak to a rock and it will open
up and water will come out. And instead he was
upset about stuff and kind of pissed excuse my language,
but he walked over and stuck struck it with his
staff instead, and still water poured out. But he didn't
do it God's way, and because of that, God was like, dude,
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yeah and so so. And I can relate that back
to your auditions and castings and all that stuff that
you go on for acting, is that you can still
be walking towards what God wanted you wants you to
walk to and do it the wrong way and not
inherit what God wants you to inherit. And so that's
really one thing that you want to be careful of.
Another thing is that God may ask you to do
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abnormal things to inherit the will He has for you.
If you look at um, if you look at the
walls of Jericho and Joshua, it's probably some of my
favorite scripture and all of the Bible. It's Joshua six.
And what's so fun is that Versus one through three
basically say and the walls of Jericho were barricaded, no
one was allowed in, and no one was allowed out
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for the for the Israelites were outside. And then God says, see,
I have delivered Jericho into your hands. And a lot
of people just read that, they're like, okay, cool, you know,
and I'm gonna it's kind of like they know the
whole story already. Yeah, well, yeah, you know the whole story.
But guess what. As they were there, that's past tense.
When God spoke to them, he said, see, I have
already delivered Jericho to your hands. But the walls were
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still up. Baby, you know what I mean. But no,
the promise has already been delivered. Now go do this.
And these people could have been warriors at this time,
and they were ready to do battle for Jericho. But
guess what God said, No, no, no no, no, no, no no,
I'm gonna have you do something different. I want you
to walk around the walls. I want you to blow
your trumpet once a day, and the seventh they want
you to, you know, and then the walls will fall down.
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And it looks so different, and so sometimes ultimately it
brings glory to God. It does bring different It was
so different. And and the thing is is our own
logic may creep into our mindset as too. Are we
listening to God or are we listening to ourselves? Because
you know, typically if you want to see the city,
you need to prepare for battle. But God said, no,
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We're going to do this differently. And so sometimes when
you are listening to God, He's going to ask you
to do things that are abnormal and they may not
make sense because that brings glory to him because you know,
just like Jesus, you know, people people still reject him
because they want the Savior with the crown of gold,
not a crown of thorns. They want the Savior comes
in on a horse, not a donkey. You know, so
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counterculture to what we want, and that's what that's what
really brings God glory is to do things differently. And
so sometimes you may not want to listen to God
because he does tell you to stop going in auditions,
but you want to be an actor, right, don't go
in auditions? Yeah, so weird. And it's still like I'll
watch movies all the time, Like, dude, huge Marvel fan.
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I'm like, oh, dude, I'd love to be in a
Marvel movie, like playing the superhero. That'd be don't you
know who? Who would you whould you want to be?
I don't know, dude, honestly, Captain America America. Oh my god,
away I'm captain. That's actually funny from an Australia that's
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also just thinks I'm Captain Americans. Maybe I don't want
you to. But who would I want to be anyway?
That's I don't know I would. I would. I just
want to do a movie with Chris Pratt, to be honest,
to be real, podcast Pratt, if you happen to be
listening to our podcast, we'll gladly have you as a guest,
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but you can just take over the whole podcast. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, I was just gonna say for what
Chad was saying that that I love the idea of
glorifying God will come as a result. So like if
you're I mean, just to give something real practical, like
break it down. If you're like, oh am I listening
to God? Is it glorifying God? Just full stop? As
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like a starter? You know, is it? Is it showing
God's love to other people? But you were saying yeah,
And I just think that's and I say this, you know,
needing to still work. I think all of us we're
still working on this, trying to understand. Like you're saying,
you know, well, I still like acting, So what does
that mean? You know, there's still questions that we ask
I don't think we've nailed it, but I know, just
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being surrounded by that's a big one as well. Being
surrounded by people who all so listening to God's love
and God's God's guidance is just huge. Then you have
like an an accountable sounding board totally to run things back,
and people to pray with you and pray for you.
And that verse in verse eight where you just like
you'll speak it at you know, like you'll actually be
confident and tell people about it. That includes the friends
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when you're not confident about it, you know, and and
saying to you might it might be. I mean that's
where it importance of church community comes in. And um,
the importance of talking to people that have been potentially
listening to God their whole life, or you know, even
in a season where they're listening deeply, like you know,
just just sounding to them it does this sound like
something God is doing? Or is this something that I want?
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You know? And and that's definitely what I feel like
I get. I'm so lucky to do with you guys.
Is I can be like, hey, I would love to
do this from a business angle, It's like, is that
a God thing? Am I just jack to start a business?
You know? And yeah? I don't know? Yeah right, both, Yeah,
I do think it's it's often both, yeah, and that's okay,
you know, because gosh, I'm so sorry for the listeners.
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If I keep dropping scripture about I don't apologize for it.
It's in that verse. It's in that verse. I don't know,
unlock it with your face verse eight. So never be
ashamed to tell, oh, there's about the lord. I'm just
sharing calling you out on the podcast, my guy, I
just don't want to be that guy, you know what
I mean. So I could get this wrong with names.
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I don't know if it's neiha Mayah or if it's Ezekiel,
I can't remember. I'm so whatever. Basically, there's a story
who's a guy who's the cup bearer for a king,
which basically means that before the king has a drink
of whatever's gonna drink, this guy drinks at first and
make sure it's not poisoned. Then he gets word that
his old, his own hometown, I'm just gonna paraphrases for y'all,
his old his old neighborhood got burnt down. And he's like, Wow,
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I really want to go back and I want to
rebuild this. And you know, there's a there's a lot
that happens there. But as he gets back, I want
to say it's Nea Mayah. I think it's Maya too.
But in his hometown was Bob each color no um,
But I'm gonna let you get back on the second.
I just want to preface, like, these prompts are just
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literally we haven't seen them, so we don't have time
to prepare for that. I just want to allot audit
members to know is we're like kind of like guessing
around scripture and trying to find stuff while it's happening.
It's because this is actually like totally raw. If we
look at the problems before, we would have time to
have something point of scripture exactly. But I just want
to like let people know that. So, so the main
reason why we're not looking at the proms before is
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because something that's really uh, something that we're really passionate about,
is it is it being peer to peer Because people,
especially probably the audience, you have enough authorities in your life.
You have enough pastors, enough teachers, enough parents, enough enough
people speaking from a place of authority, and we want
to speak from a place where it's peer to peer,
friendly friend. You know, you're talking about that in this series. Yeah, exactly,
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And so that's why it's not like we're just you know,
you ask us a question, then we open up our
binder and say, turn to page three. If your syllables,
you get ready to go to school, because you have
enough of that. This is just three guys just trying
to figure it all out as we go. And that's
why I don't remember the references for this story. But
long story short, I believe it's nam i am and
he gets to this place, who's going to rebuild? And
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Scripture says that he has a hammer in one hand
and a sword in the other, and he's rebuilding the
walls with one hand and he's fighting off the attackers
with the other hand. And so as you are pursuing
God's will in your life, whither maybe music or or
this business you want, you're going to be dealing with yourself,
which is you're gonna have to battle off yourself with
with the sword, and you have to build your faith
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with the hammer, and you you're gonna it's never just
a perfect formula. You're gonna have to have both and
be prepared to do battle against your prideful self but
also the party that wants to surrender to God's plan
which is ultimately so much greater than ours. Yeah, da, dude,
thanks me in case you couldn't see it or hear it.
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So I have a question for you guys, then, what
do you do each day practically that keeps you accountable
to listen to God? I think I have something that
I want both of us chat to talk about, because
I know you have talked about the way you approach
prayer and how you have like this acts thing that
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you go through. I was also told or taught a
really easy way to approach prayer is just to break
down the Lord's prayer, you know, And that's simple. It's
like our Father, who aren't heaven? How it would be
thy name? And you're just praising God, your Holy That's
like just breaking down each section. So it's like I
do that, How it would be Thy name? And you
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just like thank God, you praise him. You're just like God,
you are holy, You're mighty, and you just like worship
him for a second, you know, Then how would be
the name that kingdom come, that will be done on
earth as it is in heaven. And then not just
that's the part where it's like God, whatever your will
is for my life, and then I will put in
my request to that God would be really cool. It's
like the prompt this podcast does well and things are successful.
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I hope the series does well, like please bless the
work that I'm putting my hands to, but ultimately your
will be done, you know what I mean that that
kind of thing, and just praying that God's will because
that's we have our plans like many are the plant?
What is that first chance of the plans of man?
But the many are the plans of man. But God's
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will will prevail something much. Yeah, that's I know that.
I know the versus, like that's the prompt us version
of the bio. I know there's that one verse that
a man plans as footsteps, but the Lord establishes them.
That one that's good. I don't know. So oh do
you put did you pull up the lift for? Yeah?
Because I actually don't know my heart, well, I really
don't go ahead, I do so I'm just gonna keep
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saying that the Kingdom come, I will be done on
earth as it is in heaven, and give us today
our daily bread. And that's talking about like God providing
for you. You know what I mean, So like it's
obviously not what I used to look like like and
daily bread is what you need, not all the other
stuff that you want that's earthly. It's like yeah, yeah,
give like provide for my my family and my household,
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you know. And and then like going back to the
part before, if it is your will that I'm able
to receive excess of that, and I'll do my best
to do that in store that, then like be generous
outside of that anyway, that's um, where where was I sorry?
You can come that will be done today or daily bread.
And then forgive us of our trespasses, that is asking
for forgiveness of God. And as I forgive us of
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our trespasses, um, as I forgo forgiven those who have
trespassed against me, you know. And then it's and then
that's a point for me to be like God, I
forgive other people for what they've done. If you're ever
holding anything like really going back and being like like
fully forgiving people for that, you know, in the presence
of God. Um, they're trespassed against me, and it's right
the next port to lead me not into temptation, but
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delivered me from the evil one and then I mean
that's pretty self explainatory and it's just breaking down each
of those things practically, and then at the end, I'm
pretty sure it's for years, is the kingdom and the
glory and the power forever. And yeah, so that's kind
of how I approach prayer. What was your question, Well,
I just want to I think now that we've kind
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of like given what what we do, how what does
that look like practically so in your day to day
So I think it was answering three. That was it. Yeah,
That's why I started that is that prayer is such
a huge one. But then a lot of people don't
know how to like an not like an easy formula,
that's what we have to say. But I'm a big
advocate for like teaching practical things and like taking practical
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things that allow you that enable you to do really powerful,
strong things in your relationship with God and in your
spiritual life. And that's one of them, literally taking the
prayer that Jesus taught us and just breaking it down
on a day to day level and doing it that way. Man. Yeah,
I mean so prayer is a huge one for me
as well. And there are other practical steps that will
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get to But I was actually taught to pray differently,
but it's kind of the same. And first off, let
me go and preface that this is the way that
the Lord teaches us the praise the Lord's prayer. It
literally says it says in Matthew and and um, this
then is how you should pray. So if that's and
that's Jesus speaking, so that's like from the Bibles. So um,
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but what's cool about us, So that was when Jesus
was on earth and people didn't have the spirit. And
so what's a place that we're really fortunate in is
that we have received the Holy Spirit and that we
have direct you're saying at that point, people had not
the Holy Spirit had not yet come down after Jesus
had passed, Well yeah, I mean this is him just
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talking to people had passed, had resurrected. And so so
the way that I was encouraged to pray was a
lot more I guess, I guess you you have more dialogue.
And it was through this what's it called when you
have like the letters and like you know what I mean,
the letters and an acronym acronym, and so it's an
acronym it's called as A C T US. I don't
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know if you could hear that or not. And so
basically each letter stands for something, and I'm just gonna
break that down for you just really quickly. So the
A is for adoration, which is where you open with
adoring God. You just you adore his majesty and his righteousness.
And then the sea is confession. That's where you start
to confess like I'm sorry where I was wrong here,
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I'm sorry I was prideful here, I'm sorry that I
thought that about that person, I did that to that person.
And then the T is thanksgiving. That's where you just
thank God for what you have, and it really gives
you a posture of you stop looking at your cup
for what you don't have, and you start looking at
your cup for what you do have. And then the
S supplication, which is you know, essentially praying for things
that you need give us that daily bread. And so
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that that one helped me because it basically was the
Lord's prayer, but it helped me dialogue more personally with
the things that I was like actively thinking about my life.
It was more specific, you know what I mean, And
so I mean, that's essentially what you I mean the
Lord's Prayers eat is easy to skim over it or
repeat it and just say what it is. But essentially,
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like what I do with the Lord's Prayers the same
you do with acts. Oh yeah, Like I literally I've
memorized it. So I start off with saying our father,
and who aren't having how it would be thy name?
Like the sample prayer pause, God, I thank you? You
know That's what I'm saying. Like, you take each section
and use it as a springboard for what you're actually
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praying for. You don't just not just going through, which
is like fine to do that, going through and praying it,
but that's like a super quick prayer, and I think
it's easy easy to have it not come from the
heart because you're just quoting something that's so that's just
been so like popularized. I guess where it's actually. I
take that each section and use it as a springboard
and then have the full dialogue and conversation with it. Dude,
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I love that. I'm actually going to try to adopt
that soon because I do. I do want to do
the Lord's Prayer more often. Um. But to answer your question, Zach,
aside from what Gabe said in terms of prayer is
a practical thing that helps him discern God's voice. One
that really helps me is just surrounding myself with with
with really strong believers or people in my life that
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that they can keep me accountable practically, I can also
run ideas off of them. And people who aren't afraid
to hurt your feelings. These are people that are actively
like willing to listen and say there. They don't just
want to tickle your ears. They want to. They want
to they want the best for you, which doesn't always
look like the best from our world's perspective, and which
is funny and like today's culture, it's like love. There's
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like the love everyone, which it's like totally agree with
because Jesus loved everyone, But what does that look like
practically where you need to be confrontational, Like if I
see that someone who I love is making bad decisions
that are ultimately going to lead them down a path
like that's not good for them, I'm gonna say, hey,
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what you're doing is whether it's wrong or what you're
doing is not smart and kind of being confrontational with them,
but that is loving them more than just letting them
destroy their lives, you know what I mean? Yeah? Do
I totally agree? Like, for example, if I were to
ask Zach like, so, so, say, Zack and I've been
best mates for ten years, right and right? Best might good?
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I might put shrimp on the bob. Shrimp on the
barbie isn't even Australian, you know it is if you're
from America. Okay, Veggie might right crocodile? I, Um, so,
how's jac and how's Zac? Six? Really? Six? I think
that I'm going to the bank. I would have been like,
your five, I'm taking that to the bank. He's very generous.
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I'm being generous. Yeah, so the one on the podcast
we want to love each other. So, so Zach imagined
that I'm having a really hard time paying rent this month, right,
and you're my best mate and I'm having a hard time.
I come to you, Zach. I'm like, I'm struggling right now.
How would you try to help me with that situation?
And it's not a trick question. Um what I you
would have used to done? It is just giving you
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the money. But when that happens now and I even
find myself on the other side of that when this happens. Now,
I definitely want to understand why. I want to understand um,
where you're at and what you're going to do differently. Okay,
but so so say hypothetically, I'm just having an off
month workwise, like I'm historically good at this, you know,
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but I'm just like for some reason that a client
dropped me whatever blah blah blah, and you're just like, hey,
I'm just short. How would you try to help me?
I mean, you can say it's okay, Yeah, I would
obviously want to help me. Yeah, I would obviously want
to be able to give to you if I if
I was in that position, I would want to be
at to less you in that way exactly. Okay, Now
I have a different question, so imagine answer to that
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because I have a very specific answer that I actually
do you practice this with people? Yeah, So, say you
were to ask for help, I would probably help you out,
like in knowing you or whatever. I would help you
out and say like hey, dude, to I'll front you
this amount of cash or whatever, as like test one
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and say and basically tell you like, hey, I'll give
this amount of this amount of cash or whatever. But
there's these things that I want you to do in
return for me, and that is us like meeting and
talk what the book. Yeah, I like getting out my
bookshelf right, you know, total money makeover or something like that.
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You know, to make sure that these people are understanding, yes,
which goes back to the love thing, like I love
you enough to want you to not make not not
that it's a mistake that you weren't able to pay rent,
but I want to make sure that you're budgeting correctly
and you have like an emergency fund so in case
of this, you don't have to ask other people and
you've already enabled yourself two take care of the problem,
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if that makes sense without having to stress about it
or anything. And give yourself a certain amount like give
yourself like three to six months of living expensive expenses
in case like you're completely fired or whatever you can
get back on your feet and stuff, so and and
and those kind of things like being like, hey, I
want you to take these steps, or give you a
book and be like, hey, read this and then come
back to me and we'll talk about it more. And
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if that's something that you were to have accomplished and
done and come back like with curiosity and be like, hey,
this is something I want to work on and get
better at. Then it's like, okay, I know that if
I help this person, they're going to better themselves. And
if I know, if you're lazy with reading the book
or taking the advice and you just don't apply it
and you just kind of give up on it, and
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then you come back again and you're like, hey, dude,
I'm having another off month. Sorry, didn't you know read
this stuff before or whatever, I'm gonna be like, dude,
i'd like tried to help you out. I did help
you out with the money, and then I tried to
help you out to help you avoid this problem again,
Like I can't just give you. I can't be that
person because then I'm just enabling you to continue to
make bad decisions, which which is not loving, which is
not loving it. So I love that example, and then
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I'm gonna ask you guys another question. But I just
to point out that it's like, you know, so at
the base level, you're gonna try to help financially, but
then there's gonna be a why are you in this position?
And then how can we encourage you to not fall
on this again. There's there's there's that attack. It's a
conversation that you mentioned, act like talk to you. I'm
gonna talk to you and so so okay, imagine that.
I'm just you know, we're best mates again, you know,
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ten years and now I'm I just got broken up
with with a girl that we were together for a
few years and I'm just heartbroken. How are you gonna
try to help me? It's not your question, No, no,
I think, but I have found myself have another one
for you? Then? Are you going to throw money at wait?
I want to hear them answer for that. You do well,
I'm just trying to get to a point real quick
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and get back to that. Are you going to throw
money at me if you've been broken up with ye
uh no, absolutely not. And the reason is is because
I just want to make that point. It took a
long time to get to that, you know. I'm so
I'm sorry for that. But the reason is because what
a lot of people think they're doing to help their
friends is not. They're looking at people with broken hearts.
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They're looking at people that are emotionally damaged, and they're
throwing money at them. It's a metaphor, of course not
it's not always money, but they're helping that they're offering
them things that aren't actually going to help. And so
that's from what Gabe was saying, is that I'm going
to try to look and make the best assessment over
what's going to help you the most. Okay, And so
that's why. But I think Gabe wants to hear that
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verbalized that really no, no, I just wanted to hear
what Zack's answer was. But you kind of already got there. Well, okay, Zack,
Now we want to spend the question back to you.
What's a quick practical way that you try to discern
the voice of God versus your own voice? Uh? It
sounds really obvious, but just going to church and just
just being like I know, we took about being surrounded
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by like people like us, well you know, like church
and community. Just community. I think that's my my big thing,
you know, I had I was really upset with the
church as a concept and as a churches that are
being in it full in a hard and really hurt
by it. And for me, I found that it wasn't
until I forgave the people at that church or forgave
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or moved on from that situation that I um that
I really found myself um looking as I guess, trusting
God with it again. So honestly, just going to a
church that not even a church that I feel gonna
just going to church and then just and being excited
about it put me in a situation where every week
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at least once, you know, at least once, I was
in a position where I really had to just see
God's grace again, you know. And and then church extends,
you know, like my friends that I'm surrounded by people
that I write music with, people that I create with,
and people that I all across the world at this point,
which is such a blessing. All people that I can
sound to and go, hey, what's you know, like do
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you think this is crazy? Or do you think God's
going to use this? And in my day to day
that literally just looks like communicating and and being open
with those people just found them more open I was
with what my situation was. The more I actually started
to hear God because I heard the positive influence through
other people that trust God, you know. So you know
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that's just my opinion. I love that I love it.
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All right? Actually we have the other son, the son
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at the right hand of the father. Am I the father.
I'm Chad, Thank you, hello, Chad, masters everybody. Oh yeah,
how's it going, guys, we're still working on that. I'm
it's it's the morning, stepping on my coffee still. And
as we started recording and realized, oh, we have to
like be smart and like know what we're talking about,
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because just before hitting a record, we were just joking.
I didn't sign up for that. Being smart was that
was not in the contract. That I signed. Oh my gosh,
all right, um, I think you picked the last one,
but you also read both. So I'm going to hand
it to Zach and getting any option here, I'm handing
you we have three prompts submitted by you guys. That's true,
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by the audience. If you want to submit proms, you
can head to our Instagram page and submit questions that
wherever we are d ms, those kind of things just
slide into our d m s. We'd very much appreciate that.
It's how my wife got me, she said in the
d M. My wife got me. Oh my gosh. Anyway, technically,
technically I slid into the dam. It's the future. It's
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the future, the future. Okay, pick one, two or three,
just grab all right, putting the other two back on
the table and they might be answered in a later podcast.
But we don't know what they are. We have not
seen these prompts. Our producer, our producers Jess County and
Chelsea Pharaoh put these together for us. That's how you see,
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all right, you guys, Ready, here we go down, let
me go. Okay, the prompt foot today. How do you
know the difference between God speaking to you and you
speaking to yourself. Oh my thank that episode in it's Wow,
that's a that's a heavy hitter. That's a heavy hitter.
So I'll read again. How do you know the difference
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between God speaking to you and you speaking to yourself? God?
Bless it. I just want to encourage everyone to go
ahead and buckle up, you know, because it's gonna be
a wild, wild ride because I think as we do
this episode, we're going to have to be careful to
make sure it's God speaking through us speaking to them. Dude, dang,
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that that was the most I don't know what's the
term for that, like meta. I feel like Ryan Reynolds
in Deadpool chat us up absolutely. So I think I
have such an interesting take on this topic because I
didn't grow up a Christian. I didn't grew up practicing
trying to hear from God. I only listened to my
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internal dialogue, and so that meant that whenever I became
a believer, it was really confusing for me to try
to you know, it's honestly, it sounds so interesting. Oh yeah,
it's like the little voice in your head, and that's
what a lot of atheists tend to think what God is.
But as weird does it may sound, we do have
a consciousness that does speak to us, and you know,
and and it and encourages us or or it puts
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us down. It does so many different things. And so
as I was becoming a Christian, I had to really
learn how to differentiate what is actually God calling me
to through either a prompting hashtag prompt us or if
it's me in my own upbringing, my own cultural environment,
whatever it was, it's my own experience is speaking into
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a certain situation. And I still struggle with that. Honestly,
I still have a hard time trying to differentiate, like,
oh wait a second, is this God called me to?
This is the God say date that person? To God?
Say that's my wife? Did God say start that job
or go to that career whatever? Or is that just
me my own pride or my own desires or whatever.
And probably, you know, the simple answer for me is
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learn God's word. Does that align with God's word? And
if it doesn't, then it's probably not God's saying it,
you know, and that that's at the base level. And
so I that can that can get difficult if you're
like I think I want to become an actor but
I'm not sure if that's a career path God wants
me to be on, you know what I mean, Like
that's because I say that because that was something that
I struggle with. You know, how did you deal with that? Well,
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one thing I was going to go off of what
you were saying was patience is a key factor in there,
because like one the one way or the way that
I have noticed that because a lot of people, there's
people who can like hear the voice of God or
they get like a dream, or they just really like
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in tune with that. I think some people have that
gifting more than others of being able to like I
guess here God speaking to them through prayer whatever it is,
and um, excuse me at you um, but from me,
I've never been that type of person, if that makes sense.
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So over time, like through dating Jess and seeing if
like she was going to be the person I'm married,
and a lot of just the choices I've made in
my career and stuff like that, I've noticed that patience
is a really key issue in letting the doors open
or close and being fine with the outcome, you know
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what I mean, Like not rushing the process exactly and
being fine, praying constantly and being being like, okay, God,
whatever your will is, let that be done, and I
will be okay with it, you know what I mean.
Like even with this podcast, like we're talking about it
months ago and then we're like, okay, let's talk about it,
come up with idea, will go to chat to see
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if he's down with it. That door opens, so then
it's ustering. Then we're like, okay, let's continue moving forward
and seeing how the process looks like, and if God
wants it to happen, we'll be praying about it. And
if God wants it to happen, the doors will continue
to open through God's will of like letting the process
continue on. And that's kind of a way that I
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on a practical level, um gauge if it's something God
wants me to do or not, and if it's something
that God doesn't want me to do, there'll be roadblocks there.
Like all the time. Like I mentioned with acting, I
acting was just a very like I still love acting
and I'll take jobs if they like present themselves, but
I'm not out actively auditioning because the audition process was
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not It would get me stressed out. It would fill
up my schedule like crazy last minute when my schedule
was already full, I couldn't plan out my schedule. I
would started getting like like it was one of the
few factors that ended up causing me to go into
depression and stuff like that. And it was just like
things that I knew weren't from God. And also like
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just a lot of the roles I was getting too,
I'm like, I'm never gonna want to accept this because
it's not something that I want to do with my
values and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and then like having a
wife and being you know, a Christian and stuff like that.
I there were just a lot of like kind of
roadblocks and stuff like that. Not to say that acting
is something that Christians can't do. You know, a ton
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of actors amazing Christians and stuff like that, but for me,
I think that was something God was blocking me from,
you know, not acting in general, just the process of
auditioning and trying to go that route and stuff like that.
Because there's been like other roles that I've gotten through
direct booking and stuff like that, and they've been great
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things for me to do. But um, and I think
long term, as I continue on my journey as like
a filmmaker and videographer and stuff like that. I will
want to as I, you know, continue to scale. A
dream is to be able to write my own script
and make my own movies, and I would love to
act in those as well. So I think that's more
of the path, um, that God is routing me on
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and creating my own stuff like this podcast and and
like the series that I worked on and those kind
of things, and then continue to just scale that up
little by little. Anyway, I just talked for like that,
But that's so good, and I mean, if I can
keep carry on from that. My dad always used to say,
and actually my mom as well that, Um I used
to be like, oh, is it bad because my parents
are pastors church pastors? And I was like, is it
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bad that I want to do music and not becoming pastor?
And I was always like felt guilty that I was
like not going to be a church pastor like my parents,
And um, my dad would always say, you know, like
it's it's on your heart to be a musician. It's
how you use that, you know, and that's kind of
where you know, why do you want to be a musician?
Is it because you're gonna like share like God's grace
through your music and through your influence, or because it's
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going to make you a lot of money one day,
or it's going to you know, like that was the question.
I think. I don't know if that's Bible the chatting
I look at you because I just can't. But it's
a root of the Bible, which is for whose kingdom?
Is it for yours you know, hence eating the apple,
you know? Or is it for God's skiing them by
say not eating the apple? And so I think people
get really confused over an Adam and Eve reference. Yeah,
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if you're gonna be selfish and pick the fruit off
the tree, For anyone who didn't understand that, I just
want to explain it. That my bad. So I think
people do get confused. I want you to finish that,
but they get confused apologized for making fact. I'm sorry,
I apologize. Joke is already there for dropping facts to
the facts machine. Oh my gosh, you're you're going earlier.
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He's the one who said it. Well, he said for
dropping facts, and I was like, oh here we go.
Don't get me started. I love when your voice gets like,
oh my god, Yeah, that's when I'm that's when I
get pumped up. That's when i'm that's what I'm standing
next to the facts machine or your a atatosis. So
I do think people do. I think they get confused
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over like say, the roles and like say that the
roles of church and ministry, like formal ministry or traditional
ministry versus you know, just worshiping God in your own
everyday walk. You have a very good opinion on this, Yeah,
I am pretty opinion and we'll get to that. But
I want him to finish with saying but you know,
I just want to I just want to make sure
people feel comfortable knowing that, you know, being a garbage
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man is just as edifying to God as being a pastor.
You know, there's no greater calling. And I think that
the way your parents approached you with that, uh, that
whole dialogue with you is just is perfect. You know,
like are you looking to build god kingdom with this?
Or you're looking to build your own kingdom with this?
You know? And I think like even to extend on
that and what they said, even that idea of like
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are you doing it in love? And are you doing
in love? That Jesus loved you, so you're going to
share that or you know, they just really and and
my mom it sounds so weird, but my mom was
the first person to be like, you don't have to
be a Christian artist. She's like, it's probably more influential
and better that you're an artist who's influenced as a
Christian that was influenced from Jesus, you know. And it's
actually huge coming from like parents, Yeah, our parents, let
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alone a pastor parents, you know. And I never definitely
never take that for granted, but um, yeah, it is
funny the when you are listening and you are trying
to understand, all right, I'm going to work really hard
on this now. Um and so I think you already
you guys both nailed it with patients and then also doors.
I think just taking time on it, you know, and
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actually not rushing into a project is the best way,
or not a project, but into the next step, whatever
it is, is the best way to understand if God
is part of that, because how you your heart sits
on it. It sounds so weird because it sounds like
a magic trick, like God it's just gonna like zap
and then it makes it feel good, but how your
heart feels about it over time, and and if you're
reading the Bible and you're praying about it and you're
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being patient with it, you will start to differentiate between
things that you're amped about, but things that you're amped
about with Jesus, because Jesus does get amped about stuff
that is going to build the kingdom and packed the
world in a great way, in a positive way with you,
and you can feel that. You can feel that difference well.
And on top of that, I would say, like having
that peace you know that you have, that was a
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huge thing for me to understand. Like I know I'm
in Jesus's will if I have peace in my life,
you know what I mean, that's one of it's one
of the freaks of the spirit. Yeah. Peace. Yeah, Like
I have to go through it joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self.
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I was homeschooled wrong, get over it that Ephesians five.
For anybody who was wondering. There we go. I'm kidding.
I don't know if it is. I'm just I want
to say it is, but like I don't know, Okay,
all right, anyway, I hope we didn't put your that
probably didn't, okay, But what I was saying about pieces,
that's that's something huge that I've taken on my life.
Like I didn't have peace about taking all those auditions
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and stuff like that. And I knew like over time
with my life getting more and more hackic and me
getting more and more stressed, and that causing me to
get like slightly more depressed and all those things, I
was like, oh my gosh, I don't feel peace about this.
I need to remove that from my life. And that
was God closing doors. And with God closing doors and
me's still trying to go through them, that's not going
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to cause peace in my life, you know what I mean.
So evaluating that peace constantly and like just kind of
understanding that ebb and flow as you stay close to
God through everything is something that I've learned. Is what
what what are you pointing to each other that just
hands me his phone with the Bible app open? For
God has not given us a spirit of fear into timidity,
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but of power, love and self discipline. I just want
I feel like that just related a lot to what
you're saying. I wanted you to share it. You want
me to read. I mean, well, it's the whole peace,
you know, Like what the opposite of pieces is I
guess restlessness, you know, and you know, and right right
there it's second Timothy one seven. It says, for God
is not giveness, a spirit of fear, and so that
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restlessness comes from from fear, you know. And it says
God does not work in that, He doesn't speak in that,
he doesn't he doesn't work in fear. And so if
you are fearful about something, clearly it's not from God's
And it says that he works in power and of
love and of self discipline or sound mind or self
control in different versions. And so if you have that
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peaceful mind, that sound mind, or that power and of love,
then you are walking in God's will, which is that
peace that you're talking about. And that's second Timothy one
seven for anyone who is wondering. And that's funny, that's
crazy that you say that, because like what we talked
about in some of the or what I was discussing
in some of the previous podcasts about like thoughts that
creep into my head about I think it was like
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just about starting to do things on my own separated
from Jess, you know, and I kind of just pure fear. Yeah,
it's like fear and like, wait, that's not from God.
If I'm truly doing something that is from God, I
need to have I need. I need to have power
and love and self discipline. And I feel like I've
been trying to practice that really well and do that
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through all the projects that I'm working on, you know
what I mean, like pointed back to Christ and do
it in love and the people that are around me,
like YouTube and Jess and like Jake with filming the
series and stuff, just not be just like do it
in a Christ centered way that glorifies Him and it
gives has given me so much motivation, so much like
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self discipline that's right there at the end of the verse.
And it's you know what I'm trying to say, Yeah,
like fumbling over my words a little, trying to like
you're trying to like like get my thoughts together. Don't
even think. I remember back in high school, we had
this coach. His name was Coach Kuyper. It was a
part of the soccer team, and the guy he was
like an ex professional soccer player, and I went to
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a pretty poor public school. It was a D school,
which is not good. I don't know if you're listen,
if you know the whole, like A is really good,
B is O, EO is good, C is okay, and
D is like not pass scene. These don't get degrees. Yeah,
these do not get degrees. And so our school was
rated a failing school. But we had this amazing soccer
coach and his name was coach Keiper. And if any
of us, like, I want to kick the soccer ball
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and it didn't go to the person that we wanted
it to go to, he would look at us and
say to who, to who? Like for who? Who was
that too? And we felt terrible. But honestly, I think
a lot of what we're trying to do, whether it's relationally,
personally professionally, no matter what we can ask sur if
it doesn't land, we can ask ourselves, who is that too?
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Was that to God? Or is that to us? Printing?
Oh man? But yeah, that's so true, Like where's the intention? Wait,
we need to get a fax machine button to sound
You guys have talked about that. We have, but we're
just not sure if that's too much easy or not
to be like a fax machine then you click a
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But yeah, it's pretty you're right, you know, I mean
that you're right as we're trying to be serious and
quote scripture and they we're like that, I just wanna.
I love that that Bible verse. I mean, we're gonna
keep breaking it down because it's great. But I love
that talks about self discipline and about how that is
such a major part of like yet but a power
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love and self discipline, like just take responsibility, fix it up, learn,
you know, like that's like the self discipline and that
is so yeah, it's it's so cool that that's actually
part of our spirit, you know, and that's and that's
part of like that that is what God has blessed
us with is the ability to do that. And um,
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I mean, which I feel like there's a lot of
what this podcast is is us talking about what we've
had to take and and add self discipline to and
then try to get better at um. But including learning
how to listen. And when you're talking about how I
guess acting gave and um, how you kind of felt
and how that was you learning to listen, which is
so interesting because the next time you're in that situation,
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you're gonna know, no, that's well. And it was like
three times of me jumping back in hating it, stepping
out and being like, oh, well, I want to get
back into acting, so maybe I can do it this way,
and then jumping back in hating it going out, and
then like I knew it was like, you know, like
I don't know ThReD times a charm, I guess or whatever,
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but I just like, not that that's any special thing.
Maybe I was just bad at listening to God, you know,
I mean, speaking to me. But like it finally was
like you're just not supposed to do auditions right now,
you know, like you're hating it. It's messing up your schedule.
I don't know. There's just so many factors to it,
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you know. But as you handed me back Chad's phone,
I just read verse eight and it starts, so never
be ashamed to tell others about the Lord, which I love,
you know, so like in what you're doing, don't be
fearful or timid. And if you're in the Lord, you
will have power, love and self discipline, and you're not
gonna be a shame about it, not be ashamed of
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I love that so cool, you know, I think there's
a few different stories in the Bible that really makes
me think about this is. You know, so the first
one I think of Moses and how God is basically,
you know, saying you're gonna lead the people out of
Egypt into the Promised Land. But you know, uh, spoiler alert,
Moses didn't make it in and the reason is because
he while he was following God and he was hearing
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from God, he didn't do it God's way. And you
can go in and read that. And and I think
it's in Genesis or exists, I don't remember. But and
so there's a part where the Israelites are really complaining
about something and and God had told Moses not to
do something, and he struck the rock with his staff
and and he broke God's covenant. He did exactly what
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God told him not to do. That stories that Israelites
were all thirsty and wanted water. So God said to
go and speak to a rock and it will open
up and water will come out. And instead he was
upset about stuff and kind of pissed excuse my language,
but he walked over and stuck struck it with his
staff instead, and still water poured out. But he didn't
do it God's way, and because of that, God was like, dude,
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yeah and so so. And I can relate that back
to your auditions and castings and all that stuff that
you go on for acting, is that you can still
be walking towards what God wanted you wants you to
walk to and do it the wrong way and not
inherit what God wants you to inherit. And so that's
really one thing that you want to be careful of.
Another thing is that God may ask you to do
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abnormal things to inherit the will He has for you.
If you look at um, if you look at the
walls of Jericho and Joshua, it's probably some of my
favorite scripture and all of the Bible. It's Joshua six.
And what's so fun is that Versus one through three
basically say and the walls of Jericho were barricaded, no
one was allowed in, and no one was allowed out
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for the for the Israelites were outside. And then God says, see,
I have delivered Jericho into your hands. And a lot
of people just read that, they're like, okay, cool, you know,
and I'm gonna it's kind of like they know the
whole story already. Yeah, well, yeah, you know the whole story.
But guess what. As they were there, that's past tense.
When God spoke to them, he said, see, I have
already delivered Jericho to your hands. But the walls were
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still up. Baby, you know what I mean. But no,
the promise has already been delivered. Now go do this.
And these people could have been warriors at this time,
and they were ready to do battle for Jericho. But
guess what God said, No, no, no no, no, no, no no,
I'm gonna have you do something different. I want you
to walk around the walls. I want you to blow
your trumpet once a day, and the seventh they want
you to, you know, and then the walls will fall down.
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And it looks so different, and so sometimes ultimately it
brings glory to God. It does bring different It was
so different. And and the thing is is our own
logic may creep into our mindset as too. Are we
listening to God or are we listening to ourselves? Because
you know, typically if you want to see the city,
you need to prepare for battle. But God said, no,
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We're going to do this differently. And so sometimes when
you are listening to God, He's going to ask you
to do things that are abnormal and they may not
make sense because that brings glory to him because you know,
just like Jesus, you know, people people still reject him
because they want the Savior with the crown of gold,
not a crown of thorns. They want the Savior comes
in on a horse, not a donkey. You know, so
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counterculture to what we want, and that's what that's what
really brings God glory is to do things differently. And
so sometimes you may not want to listen to God
because he does tell you to stop going in auditions,
but you want to be an actor, right, don't go
in auditions? Yeah, so weird. And it's still like I'll
watch movies all the time, Like, dude, huge Marvel fan.
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I'm like, oh, dude, I'd love to be in a
Marvel movie, like playing the superhero. That'd be don't you
know who? Who would you whould you want to be?
I don't know, dude, honestly, Captain America America. Oh my god,
away I'm captain. That's actually funny from an Australia that's
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also just thinks I'm Captain Americans. Maybe I don't want
you to. But who would I want to be anyway?
That's I don't know I would. I would. I just
want to do a movie with Chris Pratt, to be honest,
to be real, podcast Pratt, if you happen to be
listening to our podcast, we'll gladly have you as a guest,
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but you can just take over the whole podcast. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, I was just gonna say for what
Chad was saying that that I love the idea of
glorifying God will come as a result. So like if
you're I mean, just to give something real practical, like
break it down. If you're like, oh am I listening
to God? Is it glorifying God? Just full stop? As
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like a starter? You know, is it? Is it showing
God's love to other people? But you were saying yeah,
And I just think that's and I say this, you know,
needing to still work. I think all of us we're
still working on this, trying to understand. Like you're saying,
you know, well, I still like acting, So what does
that mean? You know, there's still questions that we ask
I don't think we've nailed it, but I know, just
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being surrounded by that's a big one as well. Being
surrounded by people who all so listening to God's love
and God's God's guidance is just huge. Then you have
like an an accountable sounding board totally to run things back,
and people to pray with you and pray for you.
And that verse in verse eight where you just like
you'll speak it at you know, like you'll actually be
confident and tell people about it. That includes the friends
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when you're not confident about it, you know, and and
saying to you might it might be. I mean that's
where it importance of church community comes in. And um,
the importance of talking to people that have been potentially
listening to God their whole life, or you know, even
in a season where they're listening deeply, like you know,
just just sounding to them it does this sound like
something God is doing? Or is this something that I want?
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You know? And and that's definitely what I feel like
I get. I'm so lucky to do with you guys.
Is I can be like, hey, I would love to
do this from a business angle, It's like, is that
a God thing? Am I just jack to start a business?
You know? And yeah? I don't know? Yeah right, both, Yeah,
I do think it's it's often both, yeah, and that's okay,
you know, because gosh, I'm so sorry for the listeners.
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If I keep dropping scripture about I don't apologize for it.
It's in that verse. It's in that verse. I don't know,
unlock it with your face verse eight. So never be
ashamed to tell, oh, there's about the lord. I'm just
sharing calling you out on the podcast, my guy, I
just don't want to be that guy, you know what
I mean. So I could get this wrong with names.
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I don't know if it's neiha Mayah or if it's Ezekiel,
I can't remember. I'm so whatever. Basically, there's a story
who's a guy who's the cup bearer for a king,
which basically means that before the king has a drink
of whatever's gonna drink, this guy drinks at first and
make sure it's not poisoned. Then he gets word that
his old, his own hometown, I'm just gonna paraphrases for y'all,
his old his old neighborhood got burnt down. And he's like, Wow,
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I really want to go back and I want to
rebuild this. And you know, there's a there's a lot
that happens there. But as he gets back, I want
to say it's Nea Mayah. I think it's Maya too.
But in his hometown was Bob each color no um,
But I'm gonna let you get back on the second.
I just want to preface, like, these prompts are just
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literally we haven't seen them, so we don't have time
to prepare for that. I just want to allot audit
members to know is we're like kind of like guessing
around scripture and trying to find stuff while it's happening.
It's because this is actually like totally raw. If we
look at the problems before, we would have time to
have something point of scripture exactly. But I just want
to like let people know that. So, so the main
reason why we're not looking at the proms before is
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because something that's really uh, something that we're really passionate about,
is it is it being peer to peer Because people,
especially probably the audience, you have enough authorities in your life.
You have enough pastors, enough teachers, enough parents, enough enough
people speaking from a place of authority, and we want
to speak from a place where it's peer to peer,
friendly friend. You know, you're talking about that in this series. Yeah, exactly,
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And so that's why it's not like we're just you know,
you ask us a question, then we open up our
binder and say, turn to page three. If your syllables,
you get ready to go to school, because you have
enough of that. This is just three guys just trying
to figure it all out as we go. And that's
why I don't remember the references for this story. But
long story short, I believe it's nam i am and
he gets to this place, who's going to rebuild? And
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Scripture says that he has a hammer in one hand
and a sword in the other, and he's rebuilding the
walls with one hand and he's fighting off the attackers
with the other hand. And so as you are pursuing
God's will in your life, whither maybe music or or
this business you want, you're going to be dealing with yourself,
which is you're gonna have to battle off yourself with
with the sword, and you have to build your faith
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with the hammer, and you you're gonna it's never just
a perfect formula. You're gonna have to have both and
be prepared to do battle against your prideful self but
also the party that wants to surrender to God's plan
which is ultimately so much greater than ours. Yeah, da, dude,
thanks me in case you couldn't see it or hear it.
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So I have a question for you guys, then, what
do you do each day practically that keeps you accountable
to listen to God? I think I have something that
I want both of us chat to talk about, because
I know you have talked about the way you approach
prayer and how you have like this acts thing that
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you go through. I was also told or taught a
really easy way to approach prayer is just to break
down the Lord's prayer, you know, And that's simple. It's
like our Father, who aren't heaven? How it would be
thy name? And you're just praising God, your Holy That's
like just breaking down each section. So it's like I
do that, How it would be Thy name? And you
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just like thank God, you praise him. You're just like God,
you are holy, You're mighty, and you just like worship
him for a second, you know, Then how would be
the name that kingdom come, that will be done on
earth as it is in heaven. And then not just
that's the part where it's like God, whatever your will
is for my life, and then I will put in
my request to that God would be really cool. It's
like the prompt this podcast does well and things are successful.
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I hope the series does well, like please bless the
work that I'm putting my hands to, but ultimately your
will be done, you know what I mean that that
kind of thing, and just praying that God's will because
that's we have our plans like many are the plant?
What is that first chance of the plans of man?
But the many are the plans of man. But God's
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will will prevail something much. Yeah, that's I know that.
I know the versus, like that's the prompt us version
of the bio. I know there's that one verse that
a man plans as footsteps, but the Lord establishes them.
That one that's good. I don't know. So oh do
you put did you pull up the lift for? Yeah?
Because I actually don't know my heart, well, I really
don't go ahead, I do so I'm just gonna keep
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saying that the Kingdom come, I will be done on
earth as it is in heaven, and give us today
our daily bread. And that's talking about like God providing
for you. You know what I mean, So like it's
obviously not what I used to look like like and
daily bread is what you need, not all the other
stuff that you want that's earthly. It's like yeah, yeah,
give like provide for my my family and my household,
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you know. And and then like going back to the
part before, if it is your will that I'm able
to receive excess of that, and I'll do my best
to do that in store that, then like be generous
outside of that anyway, that's um, where where was I sorry?
You can come that will be done today or daily bread.
And then forgive us of our trespasses, that is asking
for forgiveness of God. And as I forgive us of
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our trespasses, um, as I forgo forgiven those who have
trespassed against me, you know. And then it's and then
that's a point for me to be like God, I
forgive other people for what they've done. If you're ever
holding anything like really going back and being like like
fully forgiving people for that, you know, in the presence
of God. Um, they're trespassed against me, and it's right
the next port to lead me not into temptation, but
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delivered me from the evil one and then I mean
that's pretty self explainatory and it's just breaking down each
of those things practically, and then at the end, I'm
pretty sure it's for years, is the kingdom and the
glory and the power forever. And yeah, so that's kind
of how I approach prayer. What was your question, Well,
I just want to I think now that we've kind
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of like given what what we do, how what does
that look like practically so in your day to day
So I think it was answering three. That was it. Yeah,
That's why I started that is that prayer is such
a huge one. But then a lot of people don't
know how to like an not like an easy formula,
that's what we have to say. But I'm a big
advocate for like teaching practical things and like taking practical
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things that allow you that enable you to do really powerful,
strong things in your relationship with God and in your
spiritual life. And that's one of them, literally taking the
prayer that Jesus taught us and just breaking it down
on a day to day level and doing it that way. Man. Yeah,
I mean so prayer is a huge one for me
as well. And there are other practical steps that will
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get to But I was actually taught to pray differently,
but it's kind of the same. And first off, let
me go and preface that this is the way that
the Lord teaches us the praise the Lord's prayer. It
literally says it says in Matthew and and um, this
then is how you should pray. So if that's and
that's Jesus speaking, so that's like from the Bibles. So um,
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but what's cool about us, So that was when Jesus
was on earth and people didn't have the spirit. And
so what's a place that we're really fortunate in is
that we have received the Holy Spirit and that we
have direct you're saying at that point, people had not
the Holy Spirit had not yet come down after Jesus
had passed, Well yeah, I mean this is him just
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talking to people had passed, had resurrected. And so so
the way that I was encouraged to pray was a
lot more I guess, I guess you you have more dialogue.
And it was through this what's it called when you
have like the letters and like you know what I mean,
the letters and an acronym acronym, and so it's an
acronym it's called as A C T US. I don't
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know if you could hear that or not. And so
basically each letter stands for something, and I'm just gonna
break that down for you just really quickly. So the
A is for adoration, which is where you open with
adoring God. You just you adore his majesty and his righteousness.
And then the sea is confession. That's where you start
to confess like I'm sorry where I was wrong here,
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I'm sorry I was prideful here, I'm sorry that I
thought that about that person, I did that to that person.
And then the T is thanksgiving. That's where you just
thank God for what you have, and it really gives
you a posture of you stop looking at your cup
for what you don't have, and you start looking at
your cup for what you do have. And then the
S supplication, which is you know, essentially praying for things
that you need give us that daily bread. And so
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that that one helped me because it basically was the
Lord's prayer, but it helped me dialogue more personally with
the things that I was like actively thinking about my life.
It was more specific, you know what I mean, And
so I mean, that's essentially what you I mean the
Lord's Prayers eat is easy to skim over it or
repeat it and just say what it is. But essentially,
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like what I do with the Lord's Prayers the same
you do with acts. Oh yeah, Like I literally I've
memorized it. So I start off with saying our father,
and who aren't having how it would be thy name?
Like the sample prayer pause, God, I thank you? You
know That's what I'm saying. Like, you take each section
and use it as a springboard for what you're actually
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praying for. You don't just not just going through, which
is like fine to do that, going through and praying it,
but that's like a super quick prayer, and I think
it's easy easy to have it not come from the
heart because you're just quoting something that's so that's just
been so like popularized. I guess where it's actually. I
take that each section and use it as a springboard
and then have the full dialogue and conversation with it. Dude,
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I love that. I'm actually going to try to adopt
that soon because I do. I do want to do
the Lord's Prayer more often. Um. But to answer your question, Zach,
aside from what Gabe said in terms of prayer is
a practical thing that helps him discern God's voice. One
that really helps me is just surrounding myself with with
with really strong believers or people in my life that
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that they can keep me accountable practically, I can also
run ideas off of them. And people who aren't afraid
to hurt your feelings. These are people that are actively
like willing to listen and say there. They don't just
want to tickle your ears. They want to. They want
to they want the best for you, which doesn't always
look like the best from our world's perspective, and which
is funny and like today's culture, it's like love. There's
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like the love everyone, which it's like totally agree with
because Jesus loved everyone, But what does that look like
practically where you need to be confrontational, Like if I
see that someone who I love is making bad decisions
that are ultimately going to lead them down a path
like that's not good for them, I'm gonna say, hey,
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what you're doing is whether it's wrong or what you're
doing is not smart and kind of being confrontational with them,
but that is loving them more than just letting them
destroy their lives, you know what I mean? Yeah? Do
I totally agree? Like, for example, if I were to
ask Zach like, so, so, say, Zack and I've been
best mates for ten years, right and right? Best might good?
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I might put shrimp on the bob. Shrimp on the
barbie isn't even Australian, you know it is if you're
from America. Okay, Veggie might right crocodile? I, Um, so,
how's jac and how's Zac? Six? Really? Six? I think
that I'm going to the bank. I would have been like,
your five, I'm taking that to the bank. He's very generous.
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I'm being generous. Yeah, so the one on the podcast
we want to love each other. So, so Zach imagined
that I'm having a really hard time paying rent this month, right,
and you're my best mate and I'm having a hard time.
I come to you, Zach. I'm like, I'm struggling right now.
How would you try to help me with that situation?
And it's not a trick question. Um what I you
would have used to done? It is just giving you
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the money. But when that happens now and I even
find myself on the other side of that when this happens. Now,
I definitely want to understand why. I want to understand um,
where you're at and what you're going to do differently. Okay,
but so so say hypothetically, I'm just having an off
month workwise, like I'm historically good at this, you know,
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but I'm just like for some reason that a client
dropped me whatever blah blah blah, and you're just like, hey,
I'm just short. How would you try to help me?
I mean, you can say it's okay, Yeah, I would
obviously want to help me. Yeah, I would obviously want
to be able to give to you if I if
I was in that position, I would want to be
at to less you in that way exactly. Okay, Now
I have a different question, so imagine answer to that
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because I have a very specific answer that I actually
do you practice this with people? Yeah, So, say you
were to ask for help, I would probably help you out,
like in knowing you or whatever. I would help you
out and say like hey, dude, to I'll front you
this amount of cash or whatever, as like test one
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and say and basically tell you like, hey, I'll give
this amount of this amount of cash or whatever. But
there's these things that I want you to do in
return for me, and that is us like meeting and
talk what the book. Yeah, I like getting out my
bookshelf right, you know, total money makeover or something like that.
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You know, to make sure that these people are understanding, yes,
which goes back to the love thing, like I love
you enough to want you to not make not not
that it's a mistake that you weren't able to pay rent,
but I want to make sure that you're budgeting correctly
and you have like an emergency fund so in case
of this, you don't have to ask other people and
you've already enabled yourself two take care of the problem,
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if that makes sense without having to stress about it
or anything. And give yourself a certain amount like give
yourself like three to six months of living expensive expenses
in case like you're completely fired or whatever you can
get back on your feet and stuff, so and and
and those kind of things like being like, hey, I
want you to take these steps, or give you a
book and be like, hey, read this and then come
back to me and we'll talk about it more. And
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if that's something that you were to have accomplished and
done and come back like with curiosity and be like, hey,
this is something I want to work on and get
better at. Then it's like, okay, I know that if
I help this person, they're going to better themselves. And
if I know, if you're lazy with reading the book
or taking the advice and you just don't apply it
and you just kind of give up on it, and
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then you come back again and you're like, hey, dude,
I'm having another off month. Sorry, didn't you know read
this stuff before or whatever, I'm gonna be like, dude,
i'd like tried to help you out. I did help
you out with the money, and then I tried to
help you out to help you avoid this problem again,
Like I can't just give you. I can't be that
person because then I'm just enabling you to continue to
make bad decisions, which which is not loving, which is
not loving it. So I love that example, and then
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I'm gonna ask you guys another question. But I just
to point out that it's like, you know, so at
the base level, you're gonna try to help financially, but
then there's gonna be a why are you in this position?
And then how can we encourage you to not fall
on this again. There's there's there's that attack. It's a
conversation that you mentioned, act like talk to you. I'm
gonna talk to you and so so okay, imagine that.
I'm just you know, we're best mates again, you know,
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ten years and now I'm I just got broken up
with with a girl that we were together for a
few years and I'm just heartbroken. How are you gonna
try to help me? It's not your question, No, no,
I think, but I have found myself have another one
for you? Then? Are you going to throw money at wait?
I want to hear them answer for that. You do well,
I'm just trying to get to a point real quick
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and get back to that. Are you going to throw
money at me if you've been broken up with ye
uh no, absolutely not. And the reason is is because
I just want to make that point. It took a
long time to get to that, you know. I'm so
I'm sorry for that. But the reason is because what
a lot of people think they're doing to help their
friends is not. They're looking at people with broken hearts.
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They're looking at people that are emotionally damaged, and they're
throwing money at them. It's a metaphor, of course not
it's not always money, but they're helping that they're offering
them things that aren't actually going to help. And so
that's from what Gabe was saying, is that I'm going
to try to look and make the best assessment over
what's going to help you the most. Okay, And so
that's why. But I think Gabe wants to hear that
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verbalized that really no, no, I just wanted to hear
what Zack's answer was. But you kind of already got there. Well, okay, Zack,
Now we want to spend the question back to you.
What's a quick practical way that you try to discern
the voice of God versus your own voice? Uh? It
sounds really obvious, but just going to church and just
just being like I know, we took about being surrounded
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by like people like us, well you know, like church
and community. Just community. I think that's my my big thing,
you know, I had I was really upset with the
church as a concept and as a churches that are
being in it full in a hard and really hurt
by it. And for me, I found that it wasn't
until I forgave the people at that church or forgave
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or moved on from that situation that I um that
I really found myself um looking as I guess, trusting
God with it again. So honestly, just going to a
church that not even a church that I feel gonna
just going to church and then just and being excited
about it put me in a situation where every week
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at least once, you know, at least once, I was
in a position where I really had to just see
God's grace again, you know. And and then church extends,
you know, like my friends that I'm surrounded by people
that I write music with, people that I create with,
and people that I all across the world at this point,
which is such a blessing. All people that I can
sound to and go, hey, what's you know, like do
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you think this is crazy? Or do you think God's
going to use this? And in my day to day
that literally just looks like communicating and and being open
with those people just found them more open I was
with what my situation was. The more I actually started
to hear God because I heard the positive influence through
other people that trust God, you know. So you know
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