July 12, 2021 • 45 mins
Do you need a college degree to be successful? Do you need the best camera to be a content creator? Do you need a personal trainer to get in shape? Do you need a relationship to feel less lonely? The answer to all of those questions is a hard No. However, it sure doesn’t hurt to have those things. To help in our walk. Tune in to today’s episode as we unpack your backpack and tell you what is vital and, more importantly, what isn’t vital to be successful.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Prompt Us is a production of I Heart Radio. All Right,
freaking what's up everyone? My name is Gabriel CONTI. Welcome
back to prompt Us Podcast. I'm here with my co
hosts Chad masters In, Zachary Stains, Zack, you almost got it.
I'm super excited to learn with you all today. It's like, oh,
(00:21):
dare we go? We have to bring it back around.
It was like good, yeah, that was good that we're
keeping it. Yeah, I mean all right, yeah, no, that
was it. Dude. What's up? Boys? How are we doing
with feeling good? Feeling alive? Oh my gosh, I've never
felt more alive. Hey, Chad, do you want to do
the prompt? You want to prompt us? Yeah, I'll prompt
(00:43):
you boys. I'm very passionate about this topic, okay, and
I hope you are too. Otherwise it's gonna be like
forty minutes of me talking and ranting. Okay, Chad's just
looking for the person's name. But in the meantime, if
you have a prompt that you want to submit, head
over to prompt Us podcast at dot com and and
you can you can prompt us for the podcast. Um.
(01:04):
That's what we also have audio prompts as well, where
you can do an audio recording version. We haven't done
any yet, but we want to soon because it's kind
of it's just fun, you know, so we want to
hear your voice. Yes, exactly, So if you want to
do that, you can do the either way. Either way
it works. But they're both. They're available on the website,
(01:24):
and I'm just gonna keep rambling on and talking until
Chad find the name of the person who gave us
today is prompt that's good, Okay, Okay, Okay, I found it. Okay,
we're here. We'll go about everyone. Alright. I'm in the
middle state of an old cost so I've got to
just do the single clip, all right, I'm good, all right,
I'm driving one. This is prompted to us from someone
(01:47):
from Cedar Rapids. Is that Idaho or Iowa? Sounds like
a right, Cedar Rapids? I No, No, it's it's a
no I A uh dude, I don't know, but that's
where Hillary Clinton did her just chilling and cedar rapids. Dude,
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it's Iowa. Okay, so
(02:12):
this was prompt on Cedar Rapids Iowa. Bro, What the
flip right now. Sorry, did you hear what I said? Dude? No,
I didn't you saying. I said, that's the Hillary Clinton
just chilling and cedar rapids? What is that from? You
don't know what did that's? I don't know. It's because
(02:39):
I've only been focusing on Formula one memes lately. My
d M s on Instagram are only Chad sending me
Formula one same est messages. They're so funny. You both
know that they are hilarious. Oh they're so good. Yeah,
I love them. Okay for the times so funny? Are
we gonna rant about Formula one for a little bit
(03:01):
because I feel like we're going to write for a
Formula one about it now. Anyway, I feel like I
was kind of the godfather of the Formula one introduction
in the group. I'm giving myself the type no, no, no,
But what I see happening is all the waves and
stages that I went through. I see everyone, but I
didn't text anyone about it because I didn't have anyone
to text about it. So like, Chad, you're sending me
(03:23):
like Sam racing wheels, and I'm like, oh, he's hitting
that stage. He's at that stage. Like I've gone through.
I've gone through all the YouTube channels, watched all like
the unboxings, like the whole thing, and like I I
like know all the wheels now, and when I get
back to Florida, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm probably gonna
buy one, and for the new game that's coming out. Dude,
I've even hit the Chad starts sending Sam Racing wheals
(03:46):
and I'm like, he's there there. I'm even at the
point now where I'm watching like these random YouTube channels
that show like the best battles between different racers, and
I'm watching like our little videos of just in the
battles between racers. I don't know. That's how deep I've got. Yeah,
I've gotten to the point where the guys who do
(04:08):
the Sam Racing sometimes also do real life carding competitive carding,
and now I'm watching all of their like forty minutes
because how they translated over and so good. Yeah, I
love anyway. Hey, thanks for entering the multiverse. Everyone multiverse
with us. We should get back to the podcast. Hey, right, so,
(04:29):
ladies and gentlemen, this prompt do you have the name
I do? This prompt was brought to you by Chloe
from Cedar Rapids, Iowa wherever that is, Okay, it's just
where she's chilling. See what she just happened to be
in Rapids. She's just shown the Cedar Rapids me. I
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don't get I have to go look it up. I
have to look it up. All right, dude, we're we're
joking too much at the game. Okay, the wait I said,
they're prompt yet from Cedar Rapids asks Okay, the prompt
is do you need a college degree to be successful? No,
(05:17):
thanks for listening to prompt us. It's so good to
have you look at us. Remember, leave a rating and
subscribe to game. How did you find success without a
college degree? Oh, there's a big question, dude, for letterly
how everyone else finds success without way the college degree
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unless you're like a doctor or a lawyer or something
that needs the certification to get into that field, which,
no shade fair enough, Like I kind of want my
doctor to have a degree, so like I'm not mad
about but yes, I agree. It's kind of one of
those things where, I mean, the internet is just so flippant,
dope that you can learn like I learned everything we're
(05:58):
doing here on the Internet. It's just like glad I
didn't spend all that money at college. Everything I learned
about like filmmaking, all the cameras, every everything I've I've
learned that has translated into like my professional job has
been me actively wanting to learn. And we have Google
and we have YouTube and and my voice is cracked.
(06:21):
So we're all in a good place here. Your desire
to learn is more important than you just getting an
education from somewhere, Like are you going to college to
get a degree? Slash, I'm gonna party there too, Like,
you're probably not going to be retaining that information if
you're going there for social him, Chad, he's cooling people out.
(06:42):
So I came in. We we spent a lot of
time goofing off at the beginning. So just before we
jump in, I do want a preface. We do we
all drop out? No? I drop out? Well, I got
that of my master's programs. That counts. That counts, that counts.
I wanted you to get your master's degree so bad though,
just so, just so one of us had it. We
(07:05):
just wanted it for us. No, no, for for because
your last name my last name. When masters with a
masters anyway, Chad, you gotta you gotta take this podcast
somewhere right now. Okay. So I just want to preface
with this real quick. I'm pretty opinionated on this topic, okay,
and I want you to hear my heart. I had
some of my best memories in college. I met some
(07:27):
of my best friends in college, and um, I I graduated,
I have I have two degrees. And then I started
pursuing a master's degree. And then it was around that
time when I started pursuing my master's degree when I learned, well,
I'll just I'll just air out Wow, I'll air out
the really laundry. I was in this class in seminary
and it was called Evangelism in Modern Society. And for me,
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I'm like, yeah, baby, like let's go. This is what
I need, right, And the textbooks were all from like
the eighties, and every thing I was being taught, I
was just like, are you new here? Like you should
know this, Like I've only been a believer for like
six years at this point, and I'm like I know this,
and I'm like, why am I spending my hard earned
(08:13):
guacamoley for what a piece of paper? And so I
just want to people to hear me when you hear
how opinionated I am on the ramp I'm probably gonna
go on at one point in this podcast. This is
coming from someone who had an incredible time in college,
someone who came to Christ in college, and someone who
spent a lot of money in college. Okay, so there's
I have a lot here. Do you need a college
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degree to be successful? No, absolutely not, unless you're a
field of choice requires certain licensure, like being a doctor
or being a lawyer in different things like that. If
you want to be a doctor a lawyer, you do
you boo, like, go do what you have to do
in order to achieve what you want to achieve. But
then question of like what Gabe was saying, which I'm
(08:58):
gonna I'm gonna come back to what Gave was saying
a second, But well, which college because a lot of
people there's different types of colleges. There's community colleges, there's
night schools, there's online schools, there's party schools. So it's like, okay, well,
are you gonna if you only want the degree to
pursue the field of interest? Are you willing to go
in debt to go to a cooler school. It's a
(09:18):
party more. And so I feel like we justify going
to college in so many ways because it's what's being
pushed on us, and I think we needed. I think
what people need to think about is what are the
pros and cons? Like boil this thing down for maybe
maybe like think about like the pot of water. Let's
boil it all down. What are the pros of going
to college and what are the cons of them? Because
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I think a lot of people think, okay, well, here's
a prairie of prayer as a pro. What about the cons?
Are you ready? Are you able to handle the hookup
culture that college is pushing? Are you Are you willing
to risk some great opportunities that you would potentially have
if you weren't spending you know, four to six years
attending the school to be taught things that you can
learn for the rice of a library membership or getting
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on YouTube university? You know, are you willing to sacrifice that?
And are you willing to go in debt tens of
thousands of dollars hundreds of thousands dollars for some people
if you don't already have like a scholarship or other
ways of pain for college. Are you willing to to
fall into that and and pursue that for the sake
of what, like, do you even really know what you
(10:22):
want to do with your life? A lot of people
who are going to college are just figuring out, like
they're there just to try to figure out what they
want to do, and that that's an expensive way to
try and work out what you want to do. I
just would like to be brutal about it, Like, if
you're trying to work out what your passion is, what
you love doing every day, going to college for five years,
is that really like you honestly could spend those five
years traveling or even just working a job and probably
(10:46):
still learn about yourself in the same way that you
think you will at college. Yeah. And and a lot
of people, I feel like, come to this realization while
they're in college, not before, you know what I mean,
So they're not like pre proact li wow, I can speak,
They're not like proactively getting ahead, if that makes sense.
I mean that's where I was. Basically. I've thought about
(11:07):
this a lot because I'm like, why do so many
people in a world where it's like pretty well known
now that you don't need to go to college. Why
do so many people? Yeah? Yeah, but I'm like, why
do so many people still end up at college? Other
than like maybe the parental pressure or the social pressure
of like that's the next step that you should do.
It is I guess from the social pressure aspect, it's
(11:30):
the easy thing to do. But also I remember, at
least in the start, for me, it was a lot
easier for me mentally to grasp my life just going
to do more school because that's what I already knew,
then stepping out of what I knew to actually start
the chase of a career. So do you think that
(11:52):
it's that essentially for some people. Yeah, that's that's for me.
I mean I would I was just doing my jen
eds General education, which I know you guys don'd school
me real quick boys on how American. So US college
here in Australia it's like three years for your degree
and you jump into your thing right away. In the US,
(12:13):
UM most of the time you can start right out
of school. Yeah, so you're straight out of high school,
you do two years of general education, you get your A.
So you're still doing that eighteen and nineteen, so you're
still doing more science more math, more things, so you're
paying to like I basically was relearning what I had
learned in high school. Um, and then and then you
(12:36):
get but you need to do that to then start
your to complete a full bachelors or whatever it is
that you're getting interested, Yeah, and then you have the
next two years. A lot of times like so from
my acting degree, it was still a full four years,
but I was starting my acting classes while I was
still doing those general education. That's so interesting. Theoretically I
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had already finished duration then, right, Like what's the typical
I don't know, if you know, chat like the typical
age for Americans, Like it's like eighteen and nineteen years old,
a freshman, sophomore year two and the year three two
is either two. That's crazy because even those two years
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between in Australia, like you could be fully graduated at
twenty as like have a bachelor's degree at twenty, I
feel like you have even less of an idea of
what you want to do, but now you've got a degree.
It's just really interesting to me hearing like the timeline
of that, because I think about meeting twenty, I have
no idea. I still don't know what I'm doing, Like,
like you know, in terms of like no I do,
that's a joke, but I actually do know what I'm doing.
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But I just think that in terms of if I
was to go back to UNI, it would still be
an uncertainty. And like, man, twenty is young, and then
I think you do two years in between. Essentially we're
going to take a quick break. Hank Tight will be
right back, which is important to note the way the
school system is structured. In the school's life and judge
society in general, you're not learning the importance of like
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financial literacy and understanding debt and all that. Like no
one teaches, Like you don't learn that in school. The
only way you know that is of like your parents teaching,
or maybe your friend's dad who cares about his his
friends kids, you know what I mean, or his kids friends. Yeah. Anyway, Um,
like you're going into college or people go into college
(14:29):
often times being like, oh, that's what everyone does, Like
you have to go into debt to like get into college,
and then they come out the other side and they're
paying off sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars for the
rest of their life when that could have been instead
of it being a productive thing to get ahead, like
paying off a mortgage on a house or something you're
now paying off or paying off something that was in
(14:54):
the past. Your education that you probably I want to
know this doubt on that. How many people actually use
their great you know what I mean, that they actually
went to school for. Yeah, I'm actually gonna you, guys,
someone because I'm actually gonna do. I think. What's interesting
for me is I actually studied marketing and I and
I mean I researched all things social media. And my
wife even has a like a certificate of Social Media
(15:17):
from like Georgetown, which is an amazing school. And both
of us work now in fields that require marketing and
social media and we don't use anything that we learned
in college. And it's funny because I even went to
business school, and you would think that they would teach
you how to even balance a checkbook or you know,
like all that stuff. But they teach you principles of
managerial accounting. They teach you to be an employee. In
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a lot of ways, they don't. They don't teach you
how to pursue a career. They teach you to be
an employee. And it has nothing to do with just yourself.
Has it has to do with building someone else's business.
And so if that's what you want to do, then
that's okay. A lot of people, yes, that's the thing
that they're okay with. Like, you know, I went to
a school that has one of the best accounting programs
(15:59):
in the nation, and so they just spit out amazing
accountants right where the big four counting firms they come
recruit at our school, and then you're going to make
a good chunk of money, you know, like that that's
something that they want. But I think it's I think
it's just really important because people people tend to go
to school because they're like, Okay, well I want I
(16:20):
want to have a better job in the future, right,
and can you make more money, um by going to
college first? Absolutely, you can do that. You know, you're
you're gonna come out of school probably making more money
than you would if you just went into the workforce
right after high school. Right, but at what cost? You
know how much more money is Say you're making an
extra thirty tho dollars a year, so instead of making
(16:41):
fifty thousand, you're making eighty thousand because your college degree
and keep in mind people used to go to college
because it was unique. That's what our parents did. Like wow,
like that was you know. Now it's like this, it's
like the whole place to land Like yeah no, and
now it's just like, oh what school did you go to?
You know, It's just it's it's very normal. And are
you like is that's like a club? Yeah, it's like
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a club. It's like, oh you went there too, I
went there too. You were part of this frat or
this sort you know what I mean. Like it's a
whole social things, social thing, especially especially in the US.
I know, it's like different but in a sense of
similar here like yeah yeah, like maybe not as like
publicly out there, but like it's definitely a thing here.
Definitely what you need you go to bad as you know,
(17:24):
if you know, if you're listening, I did funny is
that is? I don't even know what that means anyway. Yeah.
So the seane is is that, yeah, you may you
may be making thirty dollars more a year, but because
of the the debt that you incurred over four years
and how much you're gonna pay back, are you actually
making more? Yes? The number besides your name that you
bring home each month looks bigger. But what about the
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other number on the other side of your name, which
is how much money you have to pay each month? Right? Yeah,
and that stuff that we don't think about. We don't
weigh the pros and cons of that to where it's like, yeah,
you can get a better job. And I do want
to be careful because nowadays, when you get on a
job vacation, the first thing to ask you is what's
your education? Right? And so in a lot of ways,
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getting that first job is almost like, wow, I really
do need to have a college degree, because one of
the first lines of the application is like, you know,
where did you what's your highest level of education? Right?
But that doesn't mean that you need to go to
some private for your university that costs you eight thousand
dollars a year. No, you can go to part time
uh like a like a community college and pay cash
(18:28):
for it. You can cash flow it. You still get
the degree and you're able to work and build life
experience because and I mean this from the bottom of
my heart. I know this is not like an emotional topic,
but I mean this from the core of my being.
I've learned so much more outside of college than I
did inside of school, like I learned. And I love
this quote. You guys heard me say this, uh, like
(18:49):
months and months ago, but Einstein said, never let your
schooling get in the way of your education. And for me,
we've become so indoctrinated, we're like us, this is the
next step. Is It's exactly what you guys were just
saying a minute ago, where this is just what you do.
You just go to school. Well, who says that? Why?
Who says I need this piece of paper to appear
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more valuable? Right to learn things that I can learn
on skill share, on masterclass, on kajabi, on YouTube, at
the library? Who says I can't learn these things on
my own and do them? And we're seeing that right now.
We're seeing more and more people. They're starting their own businesses.
They're learning a trade, they're spending two years mastering it,
and then they create this big business and they just
blow up. And it's incredible. I personally love seeing it
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because it challenges the status quo, because I think what
people really need to be careful of, right, don't go
to school or not. That's your choice, that's your progative.
But what you're being pushed into is what a lot
of us who have read rich that poor dad called
the rat race. And we get into this rat race
where it's like, Okay, I go to this school, Okay,
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I go there for four years, and I work for
this corporate job where I'm gonna I'm gonna be challenged
with okay, but I'm gonna back up in school. Your
challenge inch with getting this good of grades to get
this level of g p A. Right then, because that
g p A, you're gonna be able to get this
type of job. Because you get this type of job,
you're gonna pursue this type of corporate ladder that you
want to climb. And because you're starting to climb the
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corporate ladder, you want to get this type of car
to show up the company meetings with. You want this
type of house to put your family in. Then there's
this constant, perpetual wheel. You just gotta keep up, and
you gotta keep up. Then you you know what's the
biggest regret that people have in their deathbed. I wish
I wouldn't have worked so hard. I wish I would
have stressed less, And I wish I would have spent
more time with my family. But when you get caught
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into that rat race where you're being taught that this
is what I'm supposed to do. Go in debt, work
hard at for this other company to pay off my debt,
keep going in debt, keep going in debt, and keep
paying things off. That's just it's brutal, and it's something
you don't want to subscribe to. You want to break
free of that. And now we're you know, you can
go to college and not fall into that as a
whole different story, but that kind of yeah, yeah, and
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that kind of I mean, once you said, like having
the societal pressure of of doing what everyone is telling
you to do, you can like peel the layers back
so deep and go Okay, Then where where is your
like full allegiance slide? Is it? Are you trying to
structure your life based on society and what society says
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is right? Or obviously from a like Christian perspective, because
we're all Christians, Are you going to do it the
way God wants you to do it, which could be school,
like it could be going and getting your degree or whatever.
But like, yeah, I knew when I dropped out that
it was there was opportunities there for me. I mean,
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in my case is like very very specific with the
whole social media stuff and vine whatever, but there was
opportunities there for me that probably wouldn't have been there
if I stayed in school for the next three years
that I was supposed to be there, you know. I mean,
I guess the important thing is like education as like
what it is, which is learning something is so dang good,
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you know what I'm saying. Like education as something that's
like a growing thing is awesome. The problem is the
way that it's packaged, right, and we keep saying it.
But there's obviously jobs and things that require like everyone
wants a church pastor who has done his education or whatever.
Like it's just everyone wants a church pastor who's done
the time to study and and that's okay, but it's
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like are you going to go Like okay, you decided
to go to college. Why are you going to college?
You're like, this is what I want to learn. I
want to be educated on this, and it's like, okay,
so you're actually going to crush it then? Or is
college just the next part? I think that's why I
get frustrated. I'm even getting freaking checked about right now.
But but I get frustrated thinking like, hey, I go
go to UNI and now I'm just doing school two
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point oh and now I'm not actually here to learn
this craft or this tust that that's what I did.
That's why I dropped out, because I went to music
college because I was like, music college is what I
want to do and it's the best thing. Ever, I
didn't even learn music. What was I doing? And that
was that was on me. But I knew I had
to remove myself from that situation before I dropped another
like twenty k to not learn, I think, and then
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I learned it all online, you know what I'm saying.
So I just think there's a bounce, like, Okay, sure,
even if you're like college is the best education, education
not college education is so good, But then go for
the education. Do you know what I'm saying. If you
need that four years, fine you decided, but just go
and do that rather than get caught up in the
societal pressure part of it. What you're talking about Chad
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talking to crazy get a great school. I just watched
this Netflix documentary about all that, like crazy parents buying
their kids into college. That stuff was crazy, And actually
it's actually why I was like, this is a sick
prompt because that stuff. There's so much deep rooted problems
with that kind of stuff, and the best one that
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would make people go to that stand get their kids,
to get their kids, and then their kid doesn't even care.
They bust like these even these people putting like all
this money, It's like that person is working so hard
and their kid doesn't even count. Like you missed the
actual problem here. The problem wasn't even the college part.
The part was what's your kid actually want to do?
You know what? What actually needs to happen. I love
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societal pressure stuff, you know. I love what you're saying
about what I love what you're saying. What do you
actually want to do? You know what I mean? Like,
is going to college the answer to what you want
to do? It's you know, it's really just it's such
it's a really simple question. It may require a hard answer,
right because we don't you know, when you're that young,
(24:38):
you don't always know how to get from A to B.
But like I'll just put it this way, Zack. You know,
if you if you take two and you do something
to it and with another two and you get four?
What did you just do? Double it right? I'm sorry,
double it right? That's well take it to and and
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then and then you take this to what do you
have to do to these two to get to four? Oh?
You add them together? Oh my god, by that very
I really, I really had that so hard for you
to do. You have to really explain that one again.
I was like, Man, where's he going with this? I said,
now that we're done adding numbers. Yeah, now that we're
(25:24):
chatting numbers. Um, Zack. I love what you're saying about
what did it? What do you actually want to do
with your life? And is college the way to pursue that?
And I think that that can come by finding people
in that profession that that you want to do and
asking them, you have to go to school for this profession, right?
Or can I shadow you for a day and see
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what it is you really um do to see if
I even like doing that? Because I did that in college.
I found different medical device sales reps and I would
I would shadow them in the operating room to see
if I actually like that. Because a medical device sales
rep you actually have to be in the operating room
teaching the doctors how to work different medical instruments, and
I couldn't handle it. I couldn't handle it. There's some
(26:05):
stuff I saw that I'm just like, you know, it
just wasn't for me, you know. And and that was
a really big lesson for me, because I'm so glad
that I like, because I was that's the path that
was going down, you know. But dude, thank goodness though, right,
because like if you didn't do that one thing of
like seeing of like shadowing someone or working with someone
who was actually doing the real on the ground job,
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it would have just been a theoretical thing in your
head of like what you thought the job would be like,
and then you get there and it's not what it
actually means. Dude, even if you need to know what
the job actually is before you spend so much time
preparing for it, you know, even if you were to
take a year after high school and just email and
call every single different person you can find from every
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single different career that you want to try and just
spend a year working a part time job to get
by and just try to shadow these people, you're gonna
save yourself so much time, financial investment, and emotional energy
before you attach yourself to your career that you don't
even want to do. And that's what that's why you
see so many people that are unhappy, is because they're
they're pursuing that rat race and they're unhappy and they're
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trying to make themselves happy with consumerism, right, and it's
just not gonna work because you're always gonna want the
next thing and you're just burn out. But I think
that it's really it's also I don't know if Gabriel
Zac said this, but it's like valuing the education side
of it. I just want to be clear that people
keep hearing that from us that value your education. The
schooling is its own thing because I remember in school,
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actually I was studying about Leonardo da Vinci and he
wasn't formally educated and at the time different as what
they called him was philosophics, but their philosophers and they
were formally trained and taught and everything. They would make
fun of Leonardo da Vinci for not being formally educated.
He could even he wrote in mirror text, He wrote
backwards because he didn't even know how. He didn't even
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know how to write. Let me ask you a question,
how many of those philosophers do you hear about? Yes,
that's right, Yeah, no, and it's hilarious. I love what
Leonardo vin. She said back to them. He retorted to them,
and he said this, do you truly learn when you're
only learning someone else's learnings? He's like, your books are big, old,
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fancy and cool and everything. I think that's I think
that's nice. However, have you ever sat in nature and
watched a bird and developed a flying machine based off
of what you saw with the bird? You know? Did
you did you process that? Yeah? Yeah, dude, keyword process,
which was I wanted to rent on this for a second,
Like you need to learn how to fall in love
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with the process of doing something, not just what the
outcome is going to be, you know what I mean? Like,
I have found so much joy in my work. And
maybe it's because, like I work in a creative space
and the things I do are creative, but I have
like taught myself to learn, like when I'm attacking a
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specific thing, whether it's writing a song or making a
board game, shout out to the business that technically hasn't
even started yet, or like whatever it is that I'm
working on, Like I love the process of developing these
creative things, but I've had to like recognize that and
learn and be like this is this is what it's about.
It's a fun part of me learning. And when I
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come into a problem or make a mistake. If I
make a mistake, I'm learning. If I run into a problem,
I'm learning because I'm trying to figure out a way
to fix it. Like you're through the process, You're gonna
do so so much learning, you know, and falling in
love with that and falling in love love with the
process of like completing something, but also the process of
learning through its huge And that's what gets me so
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jazz jazz jack, I don't know which one's in an
angry way, Jacks with jazz jazz, I'm jazzed up right now.
But I guess that's what gets me so kind of
frustrated with um college is because you know, we can
like it's like Chad reinforced as well, Like education is
so good, but what's the context that you're learning? And
right in the same way that like only watching ten
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minutes a week of a YouTube video, I mean, that's awesome.
On how to like a photoshop if that's what you
want to learn, or you can watch an hour a week.
The difference is the context you're spending more time in it. Right.
The thing that gets me upset about college and university
and stuff like that is that their job, their business
is to have students. That's what they're there for. And
as much as colleges can be like education, we want
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to educate, Yeah, but you without students, you don't have
the ability to educate. Those students are paying the high fees,
and so I guess my frustration comes from that that
they don't need to have practical elements, they don't need
to have processes for you to learn, and so how
are you going to go through those real life scenarios
in a context that is college. That does that make sense?
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It's kind of like a bubble like that's the way
I see it. I mean, I know that there are
some colleges that really work on having good of experiences,
and but those are probably trade schools. I don't yeah,
but I don't want I mean, I don't want to
say like few and far between, because there are a
lot of great teachers out there and stuff like that.
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But I think it's that finding like the teachers that
actually care more than just being their job, they actually
want to see students learn and stuff like that. Yeah,
I mean it's and that's where it comes back to,
like if you are going to go to college, go
to college, like do it. Try and find teachers that
can mentor you take advantage of the situation rather than
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I'm just at college. Because that's what I did twice.
I dropped out twice for music, and both times I
had an opportunity to actually right, but like both times
I actually had an opportunity to find great of other
musicians that were super great, other teachers that were really great.
But instead I was like, they're not teaching me what
I you know, they teach me what I already know.
It's like I don't regret dropping out obviously, Like I'm
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glad I dropped out. Lots of good character building. It
hurts to drop out. I cried a lot, you know,
it's just the reality of you guys, this is what
I was told to do, and you drop out and
it hurts, right, But the kind of hard place to
put me in, which is like, okay, what next? When
I asked what what next? That's when I really worked
out what I wanted to do. That's it's crazy, like
I didn't. It didn't reveal itself until I was in
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that position of going, okay without college, how do I
achieve this? Dude? And I researched that one that it
was like probably fifteen minutes ago. But the the amount
of students that don't that can't find jobs using uh
like within the field that they studied is well, this
is from an article on finder dot com, So take
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that with what that is. Yeah, um, apparently this study
was that it is of students can't find because it's
like almost like basically three out of ten people can't
find jobs in the field that they studied, which is crazy.
I just think the amount of money, especially in the US.
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I'm and fees a different in the US to here,
but just the amount of money and so much emphasis
that we put on finding the right school. We had
a tens on good Way. No, that's no, no, dude,
that's not even that's saying they can't find a job.
This graph here says in the category of I'm not
using my degree, in men it is forty one and
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in women it is thirty nine point nine. So it's
basically people, yeah, when to union and they're not using
their degree. And you think about that huge investment, right
because you know, after all, you know, you're spending so
much money and you want to return on it. And
then here you are spending tens, if not hundreds of
thousands of dollars to go to the school and now
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you're not using all that you know for what why
you be there? Educational equity equity, educational actual equity, marital equity,
spiritual equity just like spiritual equity. Anyway, that's not a
real thing. Um. I do like what Zach was saying. Um,
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he had mentioned that colleges are businesses. I think we
can forget that because it's I mean, it's a school, right,
so you don't think that, No, their goals that make money.
And have you guys ever seen you know, that guy
from the Wolf of Wall Street, not like the movie,
but the actually what the movie is based off of.
I don't remember his name, but there's this famous Yeah,
there's this famous line that he has where he asks
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someone to um to sell him a pen, right or
he he he He tells someone, Hey, go sell this pen.
The guy walks up to this random person he's like, hey,
can you sign this document for me? And the guy's like,
I don't have a pen, and he's like, well, here's
the right. And so in college, you know, in order
to go to college, you're being sold on something, and
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is what you're being sold on actually what you're getting?
Because wouldn't it suck if you were shopping one day
and you just dropped like fifty k on something that
you that you really wanted, then you get it in
the mail, right and it's not what you ordered? How
upset would you be? How upset or we with Amazon
whenever they get our package wrong? Right? How much more
upset should we be with colleges whenever they don't give
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us what we're paying for, you know, or we're being
sold on something that we that we need that we
actually don't need. And that's what gets frustrating for me,
is just that you're just buying into it, you know.
And I do think I want to say this, I
do think a piece of us has to has to
play the game a little bit because things are structured
in a way where you know, those jobs do ask
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for your your your education, you know, and so how
can you I do want to talk about that. How
how can we play the game to a certain extent
in order to be able to be in society and
be a productive member of society, but just not subscribe
to all the things that they tell us we need
to do. Does that make sense? Yeah, well, I think
you know when you're being productive or not, you know
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what I mean. Like if you're a college dropout and
you just decided to live in your mom's basement till
you're forty years old and you're not contributing in any
way and you don't have you know what I mean, Like,
that's a completely different story. That's just you're you're lazy,
you know what I mean? Compared to um, you know,
you drop out for a specific reason, you know what
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I mean. Like I wasn't going to drop out, but
I had while in school, I had essentially somewhat built
a career for myself. It wasn't like I was rolling
in dough or anything like I was. I still was
like kind of just being able to get by. But
it got to the point where I'm like, Okay, let
me take this opportunity now since I'm making money in it,
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to try and capitalize on creating a career out of
it versus like staying in school and possibly letting those
next three years because you only have so much time.
It could have jeopardized the success that I could have
or that I ended up having if I had stayed
in school, which I I wanted to talk about something
called the sunk cost fallacy, which is people are very
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scared to stop something if they have invested a lot
of time and or a lot of money into You
feel the obligation to want to keep doing that thing
if you've already been in it for a while. So like, yeah,
maybe you're you know, fifty grand in debt for your
first two years of school, and you're like, oh my gosh,
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I'm gonna be you know, I'm fifty grand in debt.
I need to finish this degree, even though that's not
what I'm gonna do, Like I've already done it this far.
And it's like, if you're not going to work in
that field, why you're then putting yourselves You're losing two
years of progress and you were, you know, essentially getting well,
not essentially you were getting doubling your debt from thousand
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to finish the next two years. You won't invest into
it you won't put the time because you don't want
to be there or you don't care about what you
the next two years. It's all from a place of
guilt finish because you feel like you should. And it's
a very very very few people crush it on guilt.
The sunk cost fowls. That's that's sweet, man. Yeah, I
mean I was like that with the music thing. We
talked about this all the time. I just feel like
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it's such an easy example, Like I was making music
for five years. I need to I need a break,
but I didn't let myself And now I'm just like,
do I feel like even making music ever? Again? That's
a crazy question because such a big part of my life.
But yeah, it's the same thing. I was just like, Oh, like,
I went to UNI, dropped out twice, and this is
the thing I've spent all my life on. Is music
the thing now? And it's and actually I'm having way
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more fun doing what I do now. And I'm like,
oh gosh, I felt so guilty that I didn't want
to do music, you know, for so long. But yeah, dude,
I mean I felt that with UNI. The only reason
I dropped out was because in Australia, maybe our fees
onders high. I was like, okay, I can it's quantifiable, quantified,
quantifiable everybody Stack's favorite word, and that's right. Yeah. But
it was a quantifiable amount that I could go, hey,
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I can drop out and faye this off and I'll
be okay. Even if I just got you know, if
I got a standard job and had to do that
for whatever a couple of years to pay the debt off, like,
no worries. But I just knew that I could do it.
So I definitely empathize with people that are in that
space where they're like, oh man, I'm fifty k in
why would I drop out right now? Like, but there
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is a part that's like, well, if you're not going
to continue to invest in it emotionally, it's that's worse
than the cost. That's worse than if you're not going
to invest emotionally educational equity. But if you're not going
to put in I just I don't know, I get
really just like oh yeah, it's just just reflecting back
on my own stuff. I'm like, there's decisions I make
now because I feel like I should have dropped out
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earlier or you know, so I know Chad, did you
This is a personal question. I asked you. Did you
pay off your NIB? We talked about you talked about
this before. Ye, yeah, it's paid off. Um. Actually kind
of tricked tory where I was going to buy a range.
Oh this is so, this is such a good start. Yeah.
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I think the dangerous thing with with debt is so
so mine is paid off, right, And I, like you
would think I'm happy it's paid off, but I'm more
like piste off than anything, because I didn't know what
I signed up for. They they tell you that they
educate you on what you're signing, but you know you're seventeen,
you're eighteen years old, and you're just given money for free.
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You think it's for free, but it's not. It's for
a six interest rate that starts from the moment you
pull it out, and it compounds and and there's so
much there that I was just percent dude, And it's like,
is it subsidized or non subsided? There's this there's these
different types of loans that they start accruing interest right away.
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It's not after you graduate, it's immediately and while you're
in school there oh my war and so but the
thing is, that's what But that's what I was saying about,
like not being educated on, like financially, how that all works.
If you're not, they're not going to tell you how
that works. If you're not financially and all of a
sudden going to turn into I mean, dude, banks want
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to make money. If if if people want to go
down that rabbit hole, go look at what banks do
with your money. Whenever they take it, right, you think
it's just sitting there in this safe No, it's not.
It's absolutely not. They're giving your money to other people
and they're charging interest rates to make money off of
the money that in the same money that they like,
the same money you have in the bank. Whenever you
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overdraft and they charge you for overdrafting, it's because they
have your money tied up with someone else's house and
they're making interest. I mean, it's just crazy what banks do.
And they want you to take loans and they're gonna
make it seem so easy peasy, and it's not. When
you're young, you're like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna you know,
your visionary look at me, I'm gonna graduate and make
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grand a year. I'm Steve like I'm the next Elon Musk,
which could be right, but we have to realize it.
It there. There's so much this happening inside of signing
up for for school and and I think that if
we're willing to go in debt for it, before you're
willing to go in debt for it, I would I
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would ask yourself a few questions. Okay, are you willing
um if you take away the college experience? Okay? Because
when Tory and I get approached with like a brand deal,
you know, because right now we're not like crushing it
right We're in a place where like we we have
to accept more deals and maybe we would like you
because we're trying to save up for this house and
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we're preparing hopefully in the future for children the Lord willing,
and we're we're like really working hard right now because
we know that once we do get pregnant, it works
going to change a lot. And so we're in this place.
But whenever we're approached or the deal, we ask ourselves this,
if we had an additional one hundred thousand dollars in
the bank right now, would we accept this deal? And
always the answer is no, we wouldn't do that because
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Tory and I believe we don't make decisions out of desperation.
And I think that when it comes around the whole
conversation of college and going, if you eliminate the college experience,
are you willing to go to night school for for
four years while you work during the day and you
pay cash for college, but you're not going to get
the college experience. A lot of people would say no
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because they want the experience, and they but because they
want the experience, they want the debt, and like they're
not understanding that that debt is going to follow you.
You know, they stayed like stuff like what happens in
Vegas days in Vegas, what happens in college doesn't stay
in college. It follows you and it knocks on your
door every month saying give me more. By the way,
sixtent interest compounds, right, And so if you willing to say,
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am I willing to go through that for this just
for some experience? That honestly when I mean not to
get too deep in this rabbit hox and then we're
closing up, but are you willing to have your morals
tested in college? Are you willing to subject yourself to
things that you feel uncomfortable with because that's there, it's
a breeding ground for it. And I was there and
I met some of the most lovely people and I
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had great experiences. But there's a lot of stuff that
happens in college that I'm like, Wow, I could have
probably avoided that pain in my life. You know, I
would probably been a lot better if I didn't if
I didn't go through that, and I'm not. I'm still
not really using any of my learnings. And so when
it comes to the topic of do you need a
college degree to become successful, the answer is absolutely not,
unless you want to be a lawyer, unless you want
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to be a doctor, or any type of career field
that requires licensure. However, you need to esteem education above
your schooling. Education is important. Knowledge is power. Go pursue
your education, and if college falls underneath the umbrella of education, awesome,
But don't ever put college above your education. Thank you
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Prompt Us is a production of I Heart Radio. All Right,
freaking what's up everyone? My name is Gabriel CONTI. Welcome
back to prompt Us Podcast. I'm here with my co
hosts Chad masters In, Zachary Stains, Zack, you almost got it.
I'm super excited to learn with you all today. It's like, oh,
(00:21):
dare we go? We have to bring it back around.
It was like good, yeah, that was good that we're
keeping it. Yeah, I mean all right, yeah, no, that
was it. Dude. What's up? Boys? How are we doing
with feeling good? Feeling alive? Oh my gosh, I've never
felt more alive. Hey, Chad, do you want to do
the prompt? You want to prompt us? Yeah, I'll prompt
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you boys. I'm very passionate about this topic, okay, and
I hope you are too. Otherwise it's gonna be like
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and I'm just gonna keep rambling on and talking until
Chad find the name of the person who gave us
today is prompt that's good, Okay, Okay, Okay, I found it. Okay,
we're here. We'll go about everyone. Alright. I'm in the
middle state of an old cost so I've got to
just do the single clip, all right, I'm good, all right,
I'm driving one. This is prompted to us from someone
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from Cedar Rapids. Is that Idaho or Iowa? Sounds like
a right, Cedar Rapids? I No, No, it's it's a
no I A uh dude, I don't know, but that's
where Hillary Clinton did her just chilling and cedar rapids. Dude,
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it's Iowa. Okay, so
(02:12):
this was prompt on Cedar Rapids Iowa. Bro, What the
flip right now. Sorry, did you hear what I said? Dude? No,
I didn't you saying. I said, that's the Hillary Clinton
just chilling and cedar rapids? What is that from? You
don't know what did that's? I don't know. It's because
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I've only been focusing on Formula one memes lately. My
d M s on Instagram are only Chad sending me
Formula one same est messages. They're so funny. You both
know that they are hilarious. Oh they're so good. Yeah,
I love them. Okay for the times so funny? Are
we gonna rant about Formula one for a little bit
(03:01):
because I feel like we're going to write for a
Formula one about it now. Anyway, I feel like I
was kind of the godfather of the Formula one introduction
in the group. I'm giving myself the type no, no, no,
But what I see happening is all the waves and
stages that I went through. I see everyone, but I
didn't text anyone about it because I didn't have anyone
to text about it. So like, Chad, you're sending me
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like Sam racing wheels, and I'm like, oh, he's hitting
that stage. He's at that stage. Like I've gone through.
I've gone through all the YouTube channels, watched all like
the unboxings, like the whole thing, and like I I
like know all the wheels now, and when I get
back to Florida, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm probably gonna
buy one, and for the new game that's coming out. Dude,
I've even hit the Chad starts sending Sam Racing wheals
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and I'm like, he's there there. I'm even at the
point now where I'm watching like these random YouTube channels
that show like the best battles between different racers, and
I'm watching like our little videos of just in the
battles between racers. I don't know. That's how deep I've got. Yeah,
I've gotten to the point where the guys who do
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the Sam Racing sometimes also do real life carding competitive carding,
and now I'm watching all of their like forty minutes
because how they translated over and so good. Yeah, I
love anyway. Hey, thanks for entering the multiverse. Everyone multiverse
with us. We should get back to the podcast. Hey, right, so,
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ladies and gentlemen, this prompt do you have the name
I do? This prompt was brought to you by Chloe
from Cedar Rapids, Iowa wherever that is, Okay, it's just
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don't get I have to go look it up. I
have to look it up. All right, dude, we're we're
joking too much at the game. Okay, the wait I said,
they're prompt yet from Cedar Rapids asks Okay, the prompt
is do you need a college degree to be successful? No,
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thanks for listening to prompt us. It's so good to
have you look at us. Remember, leave a rating and
subscribe to game. How did you find success without a
college degree? Oh, there's a big question, dude, for letterly
how everyone else finds success without way the college degree
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unless you're like a doctor or a lawyer or something
that needs the certification to get into that field, which,
no shade fair enough, Like I kind of want my
doctor to have a degree, so like I'm not mad
about but yes, I agree. It's kind of one of
those things where, I mean, the internet is just so flippant,
dope that you can learn like I learned everything we're
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doing here on the Internet. It's just like glad I
didn't spend all that money at college. Everything I learned
about like filmmaking, all the cameras, every everything I've I've
learned that has translated into like my professional job has
been me actively wanting to learn. And we have Google
and we have YouTube and and my voice is cracked.
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So we're all in a good place here. Your desire
to learn is more important than you just getting an
education from somewhere, Like are you going to college to
get a degree? Slash, I'm gonna party there too, Like,
you're probably not going to be retaining that information if
you're going there for social him, Chad, he's cooling people out.
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So I came in. We we spent a lot of
time goofing off at the beginning. So just before we
jump in, I do want a preface. We do we
all drop out? No? I drop out? Well, I got
that of my master's programs. That counts. That counts, that counts.
I wanted you to get your master's degree so bad though,
just so, just so one of us had it. We
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just wanted it for us. No, no, for for because
your last name my last name. When masters with a
masters anyway, Chad, you gotta you gotta take this podcast
somewhere right now. Okay. So I just want to preface
with this real quick. I'm pretty opinionated on this topic, okay,
and I want you to hear my heart. I had
some of my best memories in college. I met some
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of my best friends in college, and um, I I graduated,
I have I have two degrees. And then I started
pursuing a master's degree. And then it was around that
time when I started pursuing my master's degree when I learned, well,
I'll just I'll just air out Wow, I'll air out
the really laundry. I was in this class in seminary
and it was called Evangelism in Modern Society. And for me,
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I'm like, yeah, baby, like let's go. This is what
I need, right, And the textbooks were all from like
the eighties, and every thing I was being taught, I
was just like, are you new here? Like you should
know this, Like I've only been a believer for like
six years at this point, and I'm like I know this,
and I'm like, why am I spending my hard earned
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guacamoley for what a piece of paper? And so I
just want to people to hear me when you hear
how opinionated I am on the ramp I'm probably gonna
go on at one point in this podcast. This is
coming from someone who had an incredible time in college,
someone who came to Christ in college, and someone who
spent a lot of money in college. Okay, so there's
I have a lot here. Do you need a college
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degree to be successful? No, absolutely not, unless you're a
field of choice requires certain licensure, like being a doctor
or being a lawyer in different things like that. If
you want to be a doctor a lawyer, you do
you boo, like, go do what you have to do
in order to achieve what you want to achieve. But
then question of like what Gabe was saying, which I'm
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gonna I'm gonna come back to what Gave was saying
a second, But well, which college because a lot of
people there's different types of colleges. There's community colleges, there's
night schools, there's online schools, there's party schools. So it's like, okay, well,
are you gonna if you only want the degree to
pursue the field of interest? Are you willing to go
in debt to go to a cooler school. It's a
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party more. And so I feel like we justify going
to college in so many ways because it's what's being
pushed on us, and I think we needed. I think
what people need to think about is what are the
pros and cons? Like boil this thing down for maybe
maybe like think about like the pot of water. Let's
boil it all down. What are the pros of going
to college and what are the cons of them? Because
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I think a lot of people think, okay, well, here's
a prairie of prayer as a pro. What about the cons?
Are you ready? Are you able to handle the hookup
culture that college is pushing? Are you Are you willing
to risk some great opportunities that you would potentially have
if you weren't spending you know, four to six years
attending the school to be taught things that you can
learn for the rice of a library membership or getting
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on YouTube university? You know, are you willing to sacrifice that?
And are you willing to go in debt tens of
thousands of dollars hundreds of thousands dollars for some people
if you don't already have like a scholarship or other
ways of pain for college. Are you willing to to
fall into that and and pursue that for the sake
of what, like, do you even really know what you
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want to do with your life? A lot of people
who are going to college are just figuring out, like
they're there just to try to figure out what they
want to do, and that that's an expensive way to
try and work out what you want to do. I
just would like to be brutal about it, Like, if
you're trying to work out what your passion is, what
you love doing every day, going to college for five years,
is that really like you honestly could spend those five
years traveling or even just working a job and probably
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still learn about yourself in the same way that you
think you will at college. Yeah. And and a lot
of people, I feel like, come to this realization while
they're in college, not before, you know what I mean,
So they're not like pre proact li wow, I can speak,
They're not like proactively getting ahead, if that makes sense.
I mean that's where I was. Basically. I've thought about
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this a lot because I'm like, why do so many
people in a world where it's like pretty well known
now that you don't need to go to college. Why
do so many people? Yeah? Yeah, but I'm like, why
do so many people still end up at college? Other
than like maybe the parental pressure or the social pressure
of like that's the next step that you should do.
It is I guess from the social pressure aspect, it's
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the easy thing to do. But also I remember, at
least in the start, for me, it was a lot
easier for me mentally to grasp my life just going
to do more school because that's what I already knew,
then stepping out of what I knew to actually start
the chase of a career. So do you think that
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it's that essentially for some people. Yeah, that's that's for me.
I mean I would I was just doing my jen
eds General education, which I know you guys don'd school
me real quick boys on how American. So US college
here in Australia it's like three years for your degree
and you jump into your thing right away. In the US,
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UM most of the time you can start right out
of school. Yeah, so you're straight out of high school,
you do two years of general education, you get your A.
So you're still doing that eighteen and nineteen, so you're
still doing more science more math, more things, so you're
paying to like I basically was relearning what I had
learned in high school. Um, and then and then you
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get but you need to do that to then start
your to complete a full bachelors or whatever it is
that you're getting interested, Yeah, and then you have the
next two years. A lot of times like so from
my acting degree, it was still a full four years,
but I was starting my acting classes while I was
still doing those general education. That's so interesting. Theoretically I
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had already finished duration then, right, Like what's the typical
I don't know, if you know, chat like the typical
age for Americans, Like it's like eighteen and nineteen years old,
a freshman, sophomore year two and the year three two
is either two. That's crazy because even those two years
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between in Australia, like you could be fully graduated at
twenty as like have a bachelor's degree at twenty, I
feel like you have even less of an idea of
what you want to do, but now you've got a degree.
It's just really interesting to me hearing like the timeline
of that, because I think about meeting twenty, I have
no idea. I still don't know what I'm doing, Like,
like you know, in terms of like no I do,
that's a joke, but I actually do know what I'm doing.
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But I just think that in terms of if I
was to go back to UNI, it would still be
an uncertainty. And like, man, twenty is young, and then
I think you do two years in between. Essentially we're
going to take a quick break. Hank Tight will be
right back, which is important to note the way the
school system is structured. In the school's life and judge
society in general, you're not learning the importance of like
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financial literacy and understanding debt and all that. Like no
one teaches, Like you don't learn that in school. The
only way you know that is of like your parents teaching,
or maybe your friend's dad who cares about his his
friends kids, you know what I mean, or his kids friends. Yeah. Anyway, Um,
like you're going into college or people go into college
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often times being like, oh, that's what everyone does, Like
you have to go into debt to like get into college,
and then they come out the other side and they're
paying off sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars for the
rest of their life when that could have been instead
of it being a productive thing to get ahead, like
paying off a mortgage on a house or something you're
now paying off or paying off something that was in
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the past. Your education that you probably I want to
know this doubt on that. How many people actually use
their great you know what I mean, that they actually
went to school for. Yeah, I'm actually gonna you, guys,
someone because I'm actually gonna do. I think. What's interesting
for me is I actually studied marketing and I and
I mean I researched all things social media. And my
wife even has a like a certificate of Social Media
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from like Georgetown, which is an amazing school. And both
of us work now in fields that require marketing and
social media and we don't use anything that we learned
in college. And it's funny because I even went to
business school, and you would think that they would teach
you how to even balance a checkbook or you know,
like all that stuff. But they teach you principles of
managerial accounting. They teach you to be an employee. In
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a lot of ways, they don't. They don't teach you
how to pursue a career. They teach you to be
an employee. And it has nothing to do with just yourself.
Has it has to do with building someone else's business.
And so if that's what you want to do, then
that's okay. A lot of people, yes, that's the thing
that they're okay with. Like, you know, I went to
a school that has one of the best accounting programs
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in the nation, and so they just spit out amazing
accountants right where the big four counting firms they come
recruit at our school, and then you're going to make
a good chunk of money, you know, like that that's
something that they want. But I think it's I think
it's just really important because people people tend to go
to school because they're like, Okay, well I want I
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want to have a better job in the future, right,
and can you make more money, um by going to
college first? Absolutely, you can do that. You know, you're
you're gonna come out of school probably making more money
than you would if you just went into the workforce
right after high school. Right, but at what cost? You
know how much more money is Say you're making an
extra thirty tho dollars a year, so instead of making
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fifty thousand, you're making eighty thousand because your college degree
and keep in mind people used to go to college
because it was unique. That's what our parents did. Like wow,
like that was you know. Now it's like this, it's
like the whole place to land Like yeah no, and
now it's just like, oh what school did you go to?
You know, It's just it's it's very normal. And are
you like is that's like a club? Yeah, it's like
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a club. It's like, oh you went there too, I
went there too. You were part of this frat or
this sort you know what I mean. Like it's a
whole social things, social thing, especially especially in the US.
I know, it's like different but in a sense of
similar here like yeah yeah, like maybe not as like
publicly out there, but like it's definitely a thing here.
Definitely what you need you go to bad as you know,
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if you know, if you're listening, I did funny is
that is? I don't even know what that means anyway. Yeah.
So the seane is is that, yeah, you may you
may be making thirty dollars more a year, but because
of the the debt that you incurred over four years
and how much you're gonna pay back, are you actually
making more? Yes? The number besides your name that you
bring home each month looks bigger. But what about the
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other number on the other side of your name, which
is how much money you have to pay each month? Right? Yeah,
and that stuff that we don't think about. We don't
weigh the pros and cons of that to where it's like, yeah,
you can get a better job. And I do want
to be careful because nowadays, when you get on a
job vacation, the first thing to ask you is what's
your education? Right? And so in a lot of ways,
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getting that first job is almost like, wow, I really
do need to have a college degree, because one of
the first lines of the application is like, you know,
where did you what's your highest level of education? Right?
But that doesn't mean that you need to go to
some private for your university that costs you eight thousand
dollars a year. No, you can go to part time
uh like a like a community college and pay cash
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for it. You can cash flow it. You still get
the degree and you're able to work and build life
experience because and I mean this from the bottom of
my heart. I know this is not like an emotional topic,
but I mean this from the core of my being.
I've learned so much more outside of college than I
did inside of school, like I learned. And I love
this quote. You guys heard me say this, uh, like
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months and months ago, but Einstein said, never let your
schooling get in the way of your education. And for me,
we've become so indoctrinated, we're like us, this is the
next step. Is It's exactly what you guys were just
saying a minute ago, where this is just what you do.
You just go to school. Well, who says that? Why?
Who says I need this piece of paper to appear
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more valuable? Right to learn things that I can learn
on skill share, on masterclass, on kajabi, on YouTube, at
the library? Who says I can't learn these things on
my own and do them? And we're seeing that right now.
We're seeing more and more people. They're starting their own businesses.
They're learning a trade, they're spending two years mastering it,
and then they create this big business and they just
blow up. And it's incredible. I personally love seeing it
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because it challenges the status quo, because I think what
people really need to be careful of, right, don't go
to school or not. That's your choice, that's your progative.
But what you're being pushed into is what a lot
of us who have read rich that poor dad called
the rat race. And we get into this rat race
where it's like, Okay, I go to this school, Okay,
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I go there for four years, and I work for
this corporate job where I'm gonna I'm gonna be challenged
with okay, but I'm gonna back up in school. Your
challenge inch with getting this good of grades to get
this level of g p A. Right then, because that
g p A, you're gonna be able to get this
type of job. Because you get this type of job,
you're gonna pursue this type of corporate ladder that you
want to climb. And because you're starting to climb the
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corporate ladder, you want to get this type of car
to show up the company meetings with. You want this
type of house to put your family in. Then there's
this constant, perpetual wheel. You just gotta keep up, and
you gotta keep up. Then you you know what's the
biggest regret that people have in their deathbed. I wish
I wouldn't have worked so hard. I wish I would
have stressed less, And I wish I would have spent
more time with my family. But when you get caught
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into that rat race where you're being taught that this
is what I'm supposed to do. Go in debt, work
hard at for this other company to pay off my debt,
keep going in debt, keep going in debt, and keep
paying things off. That's just it's brutal, and it's something
you don't want to subscribe to. You want to break
free of that. And now we're you know, you can
go to college and not fall into that as a
whole different story, but that kind of yeah, yeah, and
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that kind of I mean, once you said, like having
the societal pressure of of doing what everyone is telling
you to do, you can like peel the layers back
so deep and go Okay, Then where where is your
like full allegiance slide? Is it? Are you trying to
structure your life based on society and what society says
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is right? Or obviously from a like Christian perspective, because
we're all Christians, Are you going to do it the
way God wants you to do it, which could be school,
like it could be going and getting your degree or whatever.
But like, yeah, I knew when I dropped out that
it was there was opportunities there for me. I mean,
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in my case is like very very specific with the
whole social media stuff and vine whatever, but there was
opportunities there for me that probably wouldn't have been there
if I stayed in school for the next three years
that I was supposed to be there, you know. I mean,
I guess the important thing is like education as like
what it is, which is learning something is so dang good,
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you know what I'm saying. Like education as something that's
like a growing thing is awesome. The problem is the
way that it's packaged, right, and we keep saying it.
But there's obviously jobs and things that require like everyone
wants a church pastor who has done his education or whatever.
Like it's just everyone wants a church pastor who's done
the time to study and and that's okay, but it's
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like are you going to go Like okay, you decided
to go to college. Why are you going to college?
You're like, this is what I want to learn. I
want to be educated on this, and it's like, okay,
so you're actually going to crush it then? Or is
college just the next part? I think that's why I
get frustrated. I'm even getting freaking checked about right now.
But but I get frustrated thinking like, hey, I go
go to UNI and now I'm just doing school two
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point oh and now I'm not actually here to learn
this craft or this tust that that's what I did.
That's why I dropped out, because I went to music
college because I was like, music college is what I
want to do and it's the best thing. Ever, I
didn't even learn music. What was I doing? And that
was that was on me. But I knew I had
to remove myself from that situation before I dropped another
like twenty k to not learn, I think, and then
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I learned it all online, you know what I'm saying.
So I just think there's a bounce, like, Okay, sure,
even if you're like college is the best education, education
not college education is so good, But then go for
the education. Do you know what I'm saying. If you
need that four years, fine you decided, but just go
and do that rather than get caught up in the
societal pressure part of it. What you're talking about Chad
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talking to crazy get a great school. I just watched
this Netflix documentary about all that, like crazy parents buying
their kids into college. That stuff was crazy, And actually
it's actually why I was like, this is a sick
prompt because that stuff. There's so much deep rooted problems
with that kind of stuff, and the best one that
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would make people go to that stand get their kids,
to get their kids, and then their kid doesn't even care.
They bust like these even these people putting like all
this money, It's like that person is working so hard
and their kid doesn't even count. Like you missed the
actual problem here. The problem wasn't even the college part.
The part was what's your kid actually want to do?
You know what? What actually needs to happen. I love
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societal pressure stuff, you know. I love what you're saying
about what I love what you're saying. What do you
actually want to do? You know what I mean? Like,
is going to college the answer to what you want
to do? It's you know, it's really just it's such
it's a really simple question. It may require a hard answer,
right because we don't you know, when you're that young,
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you don't always know how to get from A to B.
But like I'll just put it this way, Zack. You know,
if you if you take two and you do something
to it and with another two and you get four?
What did you just do? Double it right? I'm sorry,
double it right? That's well take it to and and
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then and then you take this to what do you
have to do to these two to get to four? Oh?
You add them together? Oh my god, by that very
I really, I really had that so hard for you
to do. You have to really explain that one again.
I was like, Man, where's he going with this? I said,
now that we're done adding numbers. Yeah, now that we're
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chatting numbers. Um, Zack. I love what you're saying about
what did it? What do you actually want to do
with your life? And is college the way to pursue that?
And I think that that can come by finding people
in that profession that that you want to do and
asking them, you have to go to school for this profession, right?
Or can I shadow you for a day and see
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what it is you really um do to see if
I even like doing that? Because I did that in college.
I found different medical device sales reps and I would
I would shadow them in the operating room to see
if I actually like that. Because a medical device sales
rep you actually have to be in the operating room
teaching the doctors how to work different medical instruments, and
I couldn't handle it. I couldn't handle it. There's some
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stuff I saw that I'm just like, you know, it
just wasn't for me, you know. And and that was
a really big lesson for me, because I'm so glad
that I like, because I was that's the path that
was going down, you know. But dude, thank goodness though, right,
because like if you didn't do that one thing of
like seeing of like shadowing someone or working with someone
who was actually doing the real on the ground job,
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it would have just been a theoretical thing in your
head of like what you thought the job would be like,
and then you get there and it's not what it
actually means. Dude, even if you need to know what
the job actually is before you spend so much time
preparing for it, you know, even if you were to
take a year after high school and just email and
call every single different person you can find from every
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single different career that you want to try and just
spend a year working a part time job to get
by and just try to shadow these people, you're gonna
save yourself so much time, financial investment, and emotional energy
before you attach yourself to your career that you don't
even want to do. And that's what that's why you
see so many people that are unhappy, is because they're
they're pursuing that rat race and they're unhappy and they're
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trying to make themselves happy with consumerism, right, and it's
just not gonna work because you're always gonna want the
next thing and you're just burn out. But I think
that it's really it's also I don't know if Gabriel
Zac said this, but it's like valuing the education side
of it. I just want to be clear that people
keep hearing that from us that value your education. The
schooling is its own thing because I remember in school,
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actually I was studying about Leonardo da Vinci and he
wasn't formally educated and at the time different as what
they called him was philosophics, but their philosophers and they
were formally trained and taught and everything. They would make
fun of Leonardo da Vinci for not being formally educated.
He could even he wrote in mirror text, He wrote
backwards because he didn't even know how. He didn't even
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know how to write. Let me ask you a question,
how many of those philosophers do you hear about? Yes,
that's right, Yeah, no, and it's hilarious. I love what
Leonardo vin. She said back to them. He retorted to them,
and he said this, do you truly learn when you're
only learning someone else's learnings? He's like, your books are big, old,
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fancy and cool and everything. I think that's I think
that's nice. However, have you ever sat in nature and
watched a bird and developed a flying machine based off
of what you saw with the bird? You know? Did
you did you process that? Yeah? Yeah, dude, keyword process,
which was I wanted to rent on this for a second,
Like you need to learn how to fall in love
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with the process of doing something, not just what the
outcome is going to be, you know what I mean? Like,
I have found so much joy in my work. And
maybe it's because, like I work in a creative space
and the things I do are creative, but I have
like taught myself to learn, like when I'm attacking a
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specific thing, whether it's writing a song or making a
board game, shout out to the business that technically hasn't
even started yet, or like whatever it is that I'm
working on, Like I love the process of developing these
creative things, but I've had to like recognize that and
learn and be like this is this is what it's about.
It's a fun part of me learning. And when I
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come into a problem or make a mistake. If I
make a mistake, I'm learning. If I run into a problem,
I'm learning because I'm trying to figure out a way
to fix it. Like you're through the process, You're gonna
do so so much learning, you know, and falling in
love with that and falling in love love with the
process of like completing something, but also the process of
learning through its huge And that's what gets me so
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jazz jazz jack, I don't know which one's in an
angry way, Jacks with jazz jazz, I'm jazzed up right now.
But I guess that's what gets me so kind of
frustrated with um college is because you know, we can
like it's like Chad reinforced as well, Like education is
so good, but what's the context that you're learning? And
right in the same way that like only watching ten
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minutes a week of a YouTube video, I mean, that's awesome.
On how to like a photoshop if that's what you
want to learn, or you can watch an hour a week.
The difference is the context you're spending more time in it. Right.
The thing that gets me upset about college and university
and stuff like that is that their job, their business
is to have students. That's what they're there for. And
as much as colleges can be like education, we want
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to educate, Yeah, but you without students, you don't have
the ability to educate. Those students are paying the high fees,
and so I guess my frustration comes from that that
they don't need to have practical elements, they don't need
to have processes for you to learn, and so how
are you going to go through those real life scenarios
in a context that is college. That does that make sense?
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It's kind of like a bubble like that's the way
I see it. I mean, I know that there are
some colleges that really work on having good of experiences,
and but those are probably trade schools. I don't yeah,
but I don't want I mean, I don't want to
say like few and far between, because there are a
lot of great teachers out there and stuff like that.
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But I think it's that finding like the teachers that
actually care more than just being their job, they actually
want to see students learn and stuff like that. Yeah,
I mean it's and that's where it comes back to,
like if you are going to go to college, go
to college, like do it. Try and find teachers that
can mentor you take advantage of the situation rather than
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I'm just at college. Because that's what I did twice.
I dropped out twice for music, and both times I
had an opportunity to actually right, but like both times
I actually had an opportunity to find great of other
musicians that were super great, other teachers that were really great.
But instead I was like, they're not teaching me what
I you know, they teach me what I already know.
It's like I don't regret dropping out obviously, Like I'm
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glad I dropped out. Lots of good character building. It
hurts to drop out. I cried a lot, you know,
it's just the reality of you guys, this is what
I was told to do, and you drop out and
it hurts, right, But the kind of hard place to
put me in, which is like, okay, what next? When
I asked what what next? That's when I really worked
out what I wanted to do. That's it's crazy, like
I didn't. It didn't reveal itself until I was in
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that position of going, okay without college, how do I
achieve this? Dude? And I researched that one that it
was like probably fifteen minutes ago. But the the amount
of students that don't that can't find jobs using uh
like within the field that they studied is well, this
is from an article on finder dot com, So take
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that with what that is. Yeah, um, apparently this study
was that it is of students can't find because it's
like almost like basically three out of ten people can't
find jobs in the field that they studied, which is crazy.
I just think the amount of money, especially in the US.
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I'm and fees a different in the US to here,
but just the amount of money and so much emphasis
that we put on finding the right school. We had
a tens on good Way. No, that's no, no, dude,
that's not even that's saying they can't find a job.
This graph here says in the category of I'm not
using my degree, in men it is forty one and
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in women it is thirty nine point nine. So it's
basically people, yeah, when to union and they're not using
their degree. And you think about that huge investment, right
because you know, after all, you know, you're spending so
much money and you want to return on it. And
then here you are spending tens, if not hundreds of
thousands of dollars to go to the school and now
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you're not using all that you know for what why
you be there? Educational equity equity, educational actual equity, marital equity,
spiritual equity just like spiritual equity. Anyway, that's not a
real thing. Um. I do like what Zach was saying. Um,
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he had mentioned that colleges are businesses. I think we
can forget that because it's I mean, it's a school, right,
so you don't think that, No, their goals that make money.
And have you guys ever seen you know, that guy
from the Wolf of Wall Street, not like the movie,
but the actually what the movie is based off of.
I don't remember his name, but there's this famous Yeah,
there's this famous line that he has where he asks
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someone to um to sell him a pen, right or
he he he He tells someone, Hey, go sell this pen.
The guy walks up to this random person he's like, hey,
can you sign this document for me? And the guy's like,
I don't have a pen, and he's like, well, here's
the right. And so in college, you know, in order
to go to college, you're being sold on something, and
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is what you're being sold on actually what you're getting?
Because wouldn't it suck if you were shopping one day
and you just dropped like fifty k on something that
you that you really wanted, then you get it in
the mail, right and it's not what you ordered? How
upset would you be? How upset or we with Amazon
whenever they get our package wrong? Right? How much more
upset should we be with colleges whenever they don't give
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us what we're paying for, you know, or we're being
sold on something that we that we need that we
actually don't need. And that's what gets frustrating for me,
is just that you're just buying into it, you know.
And I do think I want to say this, I
do think a piece of us has to has to
play the game a little bit because things are structured
in a way where you know, those jobs do ask
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for your your your education, you know, and so how
can you I do want to talk about that. How
how can we play the game to a certain extent
in order to be able to be in society and
be a productive member of society, but just not subscribe
to all the things that they tell us we need
to do. Does that make sense? Yeah, well, I think
you know when you're being productive or not, you know
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what I mean. Like if you're a college dropout and
you just decided to live in your mom's basement till
you're forty years old and you're not contributing in any
way and you don't have you know what I mean, Like,
that's a completely different story. That's just you're you're lazy,
you know what I mean? Compared to um, you know,
you drop out for a specific reason, you know what
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I mean. Like I wasn't going to drop out, but
I had while in school, I had essentially somewhat built
a career for myself. It wasn't like I was rolling
in dough or anything like I was. I still was
like kind of just being able to get by. But
it got to the point where I'm like, Okay, let
me take this opportunity now since I'm making money in it,
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to try and capitalize on creating a career out of
it versus like staying in school and possibly letting those
next three years because you only have so much time.
It could have jeopardized the success that I could have
or that I ended up having if I had stayed
in school, which I I wanted to talk about something
called the sunk cost fallacy, which is people are very
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scared to stop something if they have invested a lot
of time and or a lot of money into You
feel the obligation to want to keep doing that thing
if you've already been in it for a while. So like, yeah,
maybe you're you know, fifty grand in debt for your
first two years of school, and you're like, oh my gosh,
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I'm gonna be you know, I'm fifty grand in debt.
I need to finish this degree, even though that's not
what I'm gonna do, Like I've already done it this far.
And it's like, if you're not going to work in
that field, why you're then putting yourselves You're losing two
years of progress and you were, you know, essentially getting well,
not essentially you were getting doubling your debt from thousand
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to finish the next two years. You won't invest into
it you won't put the time because you don't want
to be there or you don't care about what you
the next two years. It's all from a place of
guilt finish because you feel like you should. And it's
a very very very few people crush it on guilt.
The sunk cost fowls. That's that's sweet, man. Yeah, I
mean I was like that with the music thing. We
talked about this all the time. I just feel like
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it's such an easy example, Like I was making music
for five years. I need to I need a break,
but I didn't let myself And now I'm just like,
do I feel like even making music ever? Again? That's
a crazy question because such a big part of my life.
But yeah, it's the same thing. I was just like, Oh, like,
I went to UNI, dropped out twice, and this is
the thing I've spent all my life on. Is music
the thing now? And it's and actually I'm having way
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more fun doing what I do now. And I'm like,
oh gosh, I felt so guilty that I didn't want
to do music, you know, for so long. But yeah, dude,
I mean I felt that with UNI. The only reason
I dropped out was because in Australia, maybe our fees
onders high. I was like, okay, I can it's quantifiable, quantified,
quantifiable everybody Stack's favorite word, and that's right. Yeah. But
it was a quantifiable amount that I could go, hey,
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I can drop out and faye this off and I'll
be okay. Even if I just got you know, if
I got a standard job and had to do that
for whatever a couple of years to pay the debt off, like,
no worries. But I just knew that I could do it.
So I definitely empathize with people that are in that
space where they're like, oh man, I'm fifty k in
why would I drop out right now? Like, but there
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is a part that's like, well, if you're not going
to continue to invest in it emotionally, it's that's worse
than the cost. That's worse than if you're not going
to invest emotionally educational equity. But if you're not going
to put in I just I don't know, I get
really just like oh yeah, it's just just reflecting back
on my own stuff. I'm like, there's decisions I make
now because I feel like I should have dropped out
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earlier or you know, so I know Chad, did you
This is a personal question. I asked you. Did you
pay off your NIB? We talked about you talked about
this before. Ye, yeah, it's paid off. Um. Actually kind
of tricked tory where I was going to buy a range.
Oh this is so, this is such a good start. Yeah.
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I think the dangerous thing with with debt is so
so mine is paid off, right, And I, like you
would think I'm happy it's paid off, but I'm more
like piste off than anything, because I didn't know what
I signed up for. They they tell you that they
educate you on what you're signing, but you know you're seventeen,
you're eighteen years old, and you're just given money for free.
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You think it's for free, but it's not. It's for
a six interest rate that starts from the moment you
pull it out, and it compounds and and there's so
much there that I was just percent dude, And it's like,
is it subsidized or non subsided? There's this there's these
different types of loans that they start accruing interest right away.
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It's not after you graduate, it's immediately and while you're
in school there oh my war and so but the
thing is, that's what But that's what I was saying about,
like not being educated on, like financially, how that all works.
If you're not, they're not going to tell you how
that works. If you're not financially and all of a
sudden going to turn into I mean, dude, banks want
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to make money. If if if people want to go
down that rabbit hole, go look at what banks do
with your money. Whenever they take it, right, you think
it's just sitting there in this safe No, it's not.
It's absolutely not. They're giving your money to other people
and they're charging interest rates to make money off of
the money that in the same money that they like,
the same money you have in the bank. Whenever you
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overdraft and they charge you for overdrafting, it's because they
have your money tied up with someone else's house and
they're making interest. I mean, it's just crazy what banks do.
And they want you to take loans and they're gonna
make it seem so easy peasy, and it's not. When
you're young, you're like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna you know,
your visionary look at me, I'm gonna graduate and make
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grand a year. I'm Steve like I'm the next Elon Musk,
which could be right, but we have to realize it.
It there. There's so much this happening inside of signing
up for for school and and I think that if
we're willing to go in debt for it, before you're
willing to go in debt for it, I would I
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would ask yourself a few questions. Okay, are you willing
um if you take away the college experience? Okay? Because
when Tory and I get approached with like a brand deal,
you know, because right now we're not like crushing it
right We're in a place where like we we have
to accept more deals and maybe we would like you
because we're trying to save up for this house and
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we're preparing hopefully in the future for children the Lord willing,
and we're we're like really working hard right now because
we know that once we do get pregnant, it works
going to change a lot. And so we're in this place.
But whenever we're approached or the deal, we ask ourselves this,
if we had an additional one hundred thousand dollars in
the bank right now, would we accept this deal? And
always the answer is no, we wouldn't do that because
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Tory and I believe we don't make decisions out of desperation.
And I think that when it comes around the whole
conversation of college and going, if you eliminate the college experience,
are you willing to go to night school for for
four years while you work during the day and you
pay cash for college, but you're not going to get
the college experience. A lot of people would say no
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because they want the experience, and they but because they
want the experience, they want the debt, and like they're
not understanding that that debt is going to follow you.
You know, they stayed like stuff like what happens in
Vegas days in Vegas, what happens in college doesn't stay
in college. It follows you and it knocks on your
door every month saying give me more. By the way,
sixtent interest compounds, right, And so if you willing to say,
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am I willing to go through that for this just
for some experience? That honestly when I mean not to
get too deep in this rabbit hox and then we're
closing up, but are you willing to have your morals
tested in college? Are you willing to subject yourself to
things that you feel uncomfortable with because that's there, it's
a breeding ground for it. And I was there and
I met some of the most lovely people and I
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had great experiences. But there's a lot of stuff that
happens in college that I'm like, Wow, I could have
probably avoided that pain in my life. You know, I
would probably been a lot better if I didn't if
I didn't go through that, and I'm not. I'm still
not really using any of my learnings. And so when
it comes to the topic of do you need a
college degree to become successful, the answer is absolutely not,
unless you want to be a lawyer, unless you want
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to be a doctor, or any type of career field
that requires licensure. However, you need to esteem education above
your schooling. Education is important. Knowledge is power. Go pursue
your education, and if college falls underneath the umbrella of education, awesome,
But don't ever put college above your education. Thank you
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