March 31, 2025 • 40 mins
If you thought “The Valley” was all drama all the time, wait until you hear what was happening when the cameras weren’t rolling!
Michelle thought she was getting the picket fence fantasy, but all she got were “champagne problems!”
Find out which famous director caused a rift with her ex , and how she found out he was dating someone new!
Plus, what she’s doing differently this time around and the bedroom attire Aaron wishes Michelle would retire for good!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back everyone, I'm here with Aaron again.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello. Hopefully you guys didn't miss episode one, but I'm
back for more because we have so much more to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Part two is going to be juicy.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Very because it's like, we talked about how we met,
but you know, a lot has happened ever since then,
and I think we should dive into kind of the middle.
So we talk about how we watched season one together,
and right before season one aired, I found an apartment
(00:35):
nearby and I moved all my stuff and it was
just so amazing and like, what a new chapter to
have my own space again after so many years.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
M hm. And honestly with Isabella, like, I don't think
she minded having two houses. I think she was actually excited.
From what I remember, She's like, oh, I have two
houses with two sets of toys.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah. As a parent, you kind of get nervous of
like how a child is going to respond, and she
took it very positive, very positive. And people told me
that like the younger this happens as a child, the
better because they just bounce right back and they don't
know any better and then they learn what their new
normal is. And to her, she was so young, and
(01:24):
she was like, yeah, I have two beds and two
toys and I get to be with mommy and daddy
and I love that. You know, not much change for her.
We were in the same neighborhood. We would walk to school,
we would walk to her dad's house. So it was
very sweet.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
How did you introduce us again? Because I remember coming
over to your apartment. It was the first time that
I was like being introduced to Isabella.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, so for me as a mother, I wanted to
make sure that it was the right time that I
had known, like we were serious and I was in
love with you, and and okay, this is when you're
gonna meet my child. So you're gonna come in and
you're going to hang out for like an hour or
two and then you're gonna go home. And just we
would do that slowly. So I remember you coming to
(02:12):
my apartment and just like hanging out and we're like, okay,
we're gonna have a new friend. His name's Aaron. And
I think that was honestly the best way for me
and for my child. And she just instantly liked you,
and actually she wanted to hang out with you more
and more.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, we bonded really well. Our energy is so good together.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
When I moved out of the house, Jessein and I
had a one conversation and we had a mutual understanding,
and because he had told me, you know, you're never
going to introduce a man to Isabella, and I was like, well,
that's not the case. You know. Let's be real here
and eventually I'll have a boyfriend, and when that time comes,
I will inform you and if you want, you can
(02:53):
meet him as well. And I want to do this
the right way. I don't just want Isabella to meet
a bunch of women or men or just like coming
in out. It's like, once you're in a serious relationship,
then that time comes. She's too young, you know, you
don't want to just confuse her. And to me, that
was just the best approach.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, you're like, trust me, I'm not trying to rush
in introducing Isabella to somebody I'm not really planning on
getting married to or very serious.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Absolutely, yeah, because it only hurts my child if anything. Like,
I'm thinking of her first before myself.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So we put all this level of care and intentionality
into how I'm going to meet Isabella or be introduced
to Isabella.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, so my mom actually came over to take care
of Isabella. And then I get home and my mom's like, oh,
Isabella kept talking about somebody. I'm like, what do you mean.
She's like she just kept telling me because I said, oh,
what a beautiful braik. Did your dad learn how to
do a brain? And she's like, oh no, my daddy's
friend did my my did my brain? I'm like, what
do you mean daddy's friend? And so I had immediately
(04:04):
text Jesse and I'm like, hey, did you introduce somebody
to our daughter. He's like no. I'm like, well, she
said that somebody did her hair and he's like, oh,
a friend came over. I'm like what friend. He's like, oh,
just a girlfriend. I'm like what girlfriend? And so I
kept pushing and he's like finally I realized that it
was somebody that he was seeing. I'm like, you made
(04:27):
the rule to not introduce couples and people, and you
immediately introduce our daughter to somebody. And it's like, stop
giving me rules and not listening to your own rules. Yes,
I just learned that. You know, when you're trying to
get divorced, it's just easy. To tell somebody what to do,
(04:51):
but not follow that same rule, and then he wonders
why I got so angry about it. I just thought,
it's like, you just started seeing somebody a week ago,
and my daughter's already hanging out with her, and if
we hadn't had that conversation, maybe I would let it pass.
But it was like his idea. So so we're in
(05:17):
the apartment and then season one airs and I'm like, Okay,
I haven't seen it, let's watch it together. I get
it a day before, and my heart is pounding because
I don't know what reality TV's like. I had mentioned
I never watch reality TV shows.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So we're drinking wine, sitting on the couch and they
start introducing all the characters, right. They start, here's Britney's home,
and here's her and Jackson, Kristen and Janet Jason, and
then they introduce Michelle and Jesse Yes, And the first
moment it's Michelle looking pretty annoyed and Jesse's like, hey,
(05:58):
you want a glass of champagne and Michelle's like, it's
ten in the morning. And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
That was a very typical conversation in our daily household.
It was just like, you know, priorities and that's what
I think is so important. My priority wasn't to drink
first thing in the morning after coffee. It was like,
I'm a mother, that's job one. I am a real
estate agent and we did this TV show. It's like
(06:27):
I was in the pursuit of success and he was
in the pursuit of laziness. It was just like that
was that was what it was. And so watching back,
I was like, you know, that wasn't just a moment,
that was my daily life with him.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Wow. Yeah, So I probably had this grin on my
face like, oh, this is checking out. This is how
she portrayed it, and she looks miserable. So Mike cool,
and so yeah, I see your guys dynamic because it
is not the best. And so for me like, okay, yeah,
(07:06):
I can see where you guys weren't good.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah. I was rolling my eyes because it was like
nothing new and that was just my life every single day.
It was like groundhog Day with do you want Champagne?
I'm like, no, I don't want Champagne. I have to
take care of a child.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
So then you guys are seeing a therapist or a
life coach.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, so weak. So we see a life coach because
we had a mutual friend that I think they had
a similar situation, and so he was highly recommended. And
we had never done therapy an entire our entire relationship.
I had never done my own personal.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
THEORPY in seven years, you guys.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Never. He was against it, he never believed in it,
and like, I didn't push it because I myself never
did therapy and so I didn't realize how important that
is to do throughout a marriage. I think, you know,
having check ins and having to talk to somebody is
very healthy and very good for you.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So did this come after you sort of expressed to
Jesse that you were very unhappy and that you were
considering a divorce.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
We hadn't done therapy then, No, not the very first
time around, but this but once we started filming and
I was like, Okay, a lot is happening. Let's start
therapy now. I'm gonna call him my life coach. And
he actually opened my eyes in a lot of ways.
(08:38):
I feel like people ask me, was it the show
that pushed you? And I was like, actually, it was
kind of my life coach because he would ask me
so many I would have one on ones and then
after I would do group sessions with Jesse, and I
just was learning so much about myself and what was
important to me and what were my values and like
what did I want in life? And he was just
(08:59):
like making me open my eyes and he's like wait,
So you know, he would always ask me like why
are you in this marriage? And my only response was
really like, I have a child. So that's why he's like, well,
it's not good for your child if she doesn't see
love and everything else that goes on to it. So
you're actually damaging your child instead of like doing the
(09:21):
right thing. And so he really opened my eyes in
so many ways, and I thank him for that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, I thought it was quite funny when Jesse said,
you know, I'm trying to show affection and then I
don't get anything back, so I give.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Up and he yeah, nothing was genuine. And that was
exactly what his name was, Scott. Like Scott would tell
him all the time, like, don't do things to expect
something like do it because you want to do it.
And it was very obvious that everything was forced and
he didn't want to give me a compliment. He didn't
want to do all of these simple things that it
takes to be in a real relationship.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And I mean I saw it between my mom and
my stepdad. They you know, I saw this kind of dynamic.
I saw what worked and didn't work. I saw what
happens when you get so comfortable that you stop saying
thank you for meals and you stop kissing each other
every day, and when you know, my stepdad would run
(10:24):
away to work and kind of prefer to be there.
And you know, something similar was going on with Jesse,
where he would sort of escape and you guys just
didn't have that affection anymore. And so to me, all
this looked the way that I was hoping or thought
(10:44):
it would look so as far as.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, And I think that happens so much in marriages.
It's like after a period of time or after so long,
you just like your expectations are so low. But I
don't believe that you should stop giving each other compliments
or thinking one another or trying in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You like so beautiful today, by the way, Oh thank you.
So let's get into the rumors. So I'm sitting there
watching these episodes together, there's going to be all these
things that are coming from either nothing or coming from something,
and I'm you know, then we talk about certain things.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, I had no idea that like they'll take the
littlest things and like my friends will completely twist or
lie or exaggerate or like make nothing out of something.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, so it was sort of a mini evolution. Get
I get to become closer with everybody on the cast, right,
all your friends, I get to become closer with them,
get to learn more about them, and you know, learning
more about you. And then we would have certain conversations
(11:59):
about like Okay, well what happened here? So they're saying
this about this famous director, rumors that you had some
some thing with this director, and all the guys are
trying to figure out what were you doing with him?
(12:20):
You know, why were you with him?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
By the way, they would have this Boy's Chat. I
don't know who's in it. It's like twenty guys, and
I hated the thing. I will say that was one
of the things that I had a major problem with
because it's like constantly being on the boy's Chat and
like imagine just twenty people all day long, just texting
and texting about random and stupid shit like this boy's
(12:45):
chat was not beneficial.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I mean there's been some some rumors and stuff
that's come from that. So this is one of those
that I talk to you about. I said, so, who
is the director? What is this story? And you explain
to me in detail what had happened. So what happened
(13:10):
that day? Who is the famous director?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
We all want to know the famous director. I meet
so many people, and I say that time and time
again because it really is part of the work that
I do. It's like, in order to you know, sell
these type of houses, you have to know who these
people are and you have to create friendships and relationships
(13:33):
to have these clients. So you know, I've emphasized that
because that is part of.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
My job strength too.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It is my strength. There's things that I can't do,
and my strength is to get is to lead, generate.
And so I did live across the street from Chateau
MArmand so I would go there often, and many celebrities
go there, and I've I've befriended a ton of people.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, so this day was such a casual day.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
That oh, super casual. Okay, So I'm going to answer
the question. The director was Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It was you know he hangs out at Sheddau all
the time, Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, all the time, whenever he needs to work. That's
where he works from. And so one day I was
hanging out there and he's actually sitting next to me,
and I don't really quite know who he is, but
I see that everybody's looking at him and wanting to
talk to him, and I'm not paying any attention.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And your girlfriends were there with you before, Jesse was
at the house before.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Oh yeah, so that is. So that day was kind
of a Sunday and I'm hanging out with my girls
and one of my best friends wasn't feeling well, so
they had left. So I'm kind of there by myself
at the time, and that's when I see Quentin next
to me, and so people are like paying attention to him,
trying to say hi to him, and I'm not I'm
just mining my own business because.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You've actually never seen a Quentin Tarantina film.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
So just the other yeah, I had never seen. I'm
really bad, Like why I meet so many people and
I'm like, I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
In my head He's the godfather of film.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Well now I know, yeah, I didn't know at the time.
Thirty minutes later, somehow we start having a conversation because
he's literally next to me, and we had a great
conversation and I started talking about real estate and he
started I actually had a really cool listing nearby, and
I was like, Hey, if you ever need a movie,
you should totally do your movie at this house. And
(15:29):
I explained why he wanted to see pictures, and it
was just like very good back and forth. He told
me about the first time he bought his house and
like what it was like becoming a famous a famous director,
while like you know, he was living in an apartment
in West Hollywood and how the evolution came. So it
was like, great conversation.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
This is rare. It's you and Quentin Tarantina locked in.
You guys are now ordering Margarita's hanging out at Chateau,
and there's these fans that are continuing to walk up
to him and saying, hey, can I get an autograph
or can I get a picture? But you, you and
him are in your own conversation exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And so I had actually text Jesse because he's at
the house with Isabella, and I'm like, hey, I'm hanging
out with Quentin Tarantino. So I'm like, come down if
you have time. So he comes down that day with Isabella,
and I introduced it immediately and I'm like, here's this
is my husband, this is my daughter. Quentin actually has
a child similar age in Isabella. So we just start
(16:31):
talking about children and Jesse hangs out with us for
a couple minutes and then Jesse's like, Okay, why don't
you go home with Isabella.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I'm like, He's like, it's my time now.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, He's like like he wanted, Yeah, he wanted to
hang out. He wanted to have fun, he wanted like
to have his moment. I'm like, no, you hang out
with Isabella, Like, this is my moment, Like this is
my lead, This is like my day and I take
care of our child every day.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You guys had the agreement that this was your day
to hang out with your girlfriends and bound out by
the pool at Chatteau.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, and you know, Jesse's the opposite of me. He
wanted to be an actor, so he knew exactly who
Quinton was and he wanted.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
He was trying to get into a.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Movie, absolutely, I'm sure. So he was like, can I
can I hang out here, and I'm like no, and
he actually got mad, like I want to be here.
You go home with our daughter. I'm like, no, you
go home with our daughter. And he's like fine.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I almost wish you did let him Jesse hang out
with him, because then we could have swapped the rumor
and say Jesse and Quintin had a little thing going on.
That would have been best.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So to this day, he's a friend of mine. I
actually emailed him here and there. I even told him
about our podcast here. So maybe one day I'll have
him have him on if he has time or if
he's around. But he's a great friend. He's a great person,
has a lovely wife and child, and that's.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
It, all right. So I'm watching I'm watching the episode
you got all the guys in the pool, Jesse's there.
They're bringing up that you hang out with these celebrities
and that you hung out with this famous director, and
Jesse's like allowing them to sort of create this rumor
(18:14):
around it, because Jesse's almost antagonizing it. He's almost instigating that, Yeah,
maybe there's something that happened.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I honestly don't even know, like how that became such
a thing because I'm sure Jesse sent a group text
to the boys and then suddenly Jacksay's like, what is
Michelle doing hanging out? Like it just became something that
was nothing.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
He pushed these sort of things even though he knew
well what the truth was and you know what was
really going on exactly, kind of putting you in a
place right to make it look bad.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, and he shouldn't have done that because all I
was doing was benefiting us in our family and working hard.
Something I kind of want to mention because I thought
it was quite funny about season one Danny always talking about,
like what is your love language? And I think it
was Jackson what was like, what's a love language? And
I think it's kind of important. Sometimes it's silly to
(19:13):
some people, but it's like we all have our love languages,
and I think it's important to know what yours is,
but also what your partner is and like having to
make that change or like realize that it is important.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yep. So we're talking about these famous five love languages.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Mm hmm. Mine is hands down, physical touch. I need
to be like you need to hold my hand, you
need to hug me and kiss me on the lips.
That's all I need in my life. I don't need gifts.
I don't There's so much I don't need, but I
need that physical.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Touch and where that leads to it's is great. So
quality time. I think we spend a lot of quality
time to together. And you know, we were actually always
doing things for one another, like self, Leslie, I'm always
making sure you've eaten dinner or you have lunch, and
(20:14):
vice versa. You're doing that for me too. Did you
need me to help you with this? Or do you
need me to walk Kilo?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And that's what I like about us. It's not you
doing everything, it's not me doing everything. There is like
a very healthy balance partners, partners, Yes, we are partners.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Getting through season one, getting through watching season one together,
there's a lot of ups and downs as far as
you know, rumors and how your portrayed and how other
people are portrayed, and then the you know, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I get asked that all the time, like how what
did you think of season one as a show? I
think it was great.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I think it ended like a like a movie, like
it ended really really strong, and it was.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It was a great first season. It was a great
first season, really great. I think like if you looked
at it just in terms of me as an individual,
it does not show anything about me. It did not
show what I was going through. It did not show,
you know, me dealing with my mom's situation, which was huge.
(21:31):
It did just it just there was only so much
that could show because there's so many people, and I
just felt like it was very false and like who
I was.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You had a lot going on. You were in the
middle of divorce and trying to figure out what's best
for you and your child. You are handling the news
that your mom has stage four cancer and that you
guys were going through treatments and things weren't really improving.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And yeah, things were not improving my mom. I mean,
first thing is, we didn't even know where what kind
of cancer it was, so it took a while to
figure out what it was, and multiple surgeries and scans
and so many things.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And you and I have gone through some of the
most challenging things that anybody would ever go through in
a actual a short period of time. I actually lost
my dad at the end of twenty twenty three, and
it was very different to how you lost your mom.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It was suddenly it was and I was with you
that night.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
We went to a Christmas party and I got the
news from my brother who called me from Thailand. And
you and I were just walking out the door at
this Christmas party at the Belmont and I pick up
the phone. I'm like, oh, this is weird. Why is
my brother calling me? And my dad had had a
heart attack And I was on the phone while my
dad gave his last breath and he passed away. And
(23:08):
so that ended twenty twenty three. Then, you know, it
was just the beginning of you and Jesse really like
going through all this crazyness and drama with the divorce
and then your mom, and.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It was just like one after the other, and it
is pretty crazy that like we're together and we're happy
because we had so many things against us and we
were just like our relationship was good, like other than
you and my daughter, everything else was just going to shit,
But you guys were just like my stability, my happiness,
(23:53):
and that really like I knew from then that I
was like, this is going to be a good relationship
because if we're starting strong going through all this shit,
like it's only going to get easier.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, we didn't argue for a very very long time.
And I remember our very first argument that we did have.
You're actually like, hey, I got an idea. Let me call.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Scott my Oh yeah, So one thing I learned from
my last relationship. I mentioned like we didn't do therapy,
and so Aaron and I had been together for a
long time and then I think we got in like
such a huge fight and I threw it out there.
I'm like, how would you feel about doing a therapy
session together? And I thought that was and you loved
(24:37):
the idea, and it was like the most amazing thing
I had ever experienced. I was like, wait, why don't
more couples do this? Like when you're first dating or
you're first in a relationship, like and you get in
such a big argument, sometimes you need that middle person
to like explain both sides. And that was just like
an eye opener, Like wow, like we don't talk about
(24:58):
this in society, but I I think we should do
therapy in the beginning, even before you get married, especially
before you get married.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, and you know, I felt like we just like
knit that in the butt because we got Scott involved
very quickly, and we got on a call, and I
loved it because he really agreed with everything that I
was saying. And you know, I was totally right, not
just kidding.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And Scott has yeah, become become a partner in our
in our lives as well.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
So yeah, so we we are a normal couple. We
definitely fight here and there. We're good at not bickering,
you know, day to day, but like we get into
arguments and whenever it is a big argument, we do
have a life coach, and I think it helps the
both of us grow and see the other point of view.
And I just feel like we're like, okay, let's move
(25:52):
forward and you know, not resent each other.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And I try really hard like the other Like the
other day, I said, hey, remember how I wasn't paying
attention to your feelings. Well, I don't want to be
in that situation again.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Like I want Oh yeah, I kept saying, like, you're
not listening to me, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You're not paying attention to my feelings. Yes, And then
the other day you were doing something and you weren't
paying attention to my feelings.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
You threw it back at me, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I said, look, let's let's take our feelings as respectfully,
you know, so you have to listen to me, and
I want that to be that sort of like aha
moment where we can come away and they let's first
(26:46):
respect each other's feelings and kind of figure out the
details from there absolutely without trying to defend ourselves.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And that can be hard at times because it's like
in the moment when you're fighting, you want to be
stubborn and like you think your way is the only way,
and you know, if you can learn from me, I
would highly suggest having somebody a life coach at their
pissed or you know, somebody to talk to.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
But it does take either you or me in that
moment when things are heated to be the calm one
and to be the one that's like, hey, let's step
back and pay attention to feelings and just look at
this from you know, a bird's eye view and say
what's actually going on? Like that one time when you
didn't get sauce on my in and out burger and.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
You will, that was a fight we've ever ever been in.
I was like I was doing something nice. I'm like,
would you like in and out? And I grabbed you
in and out? And then as soon as.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
They gave it to you were like, where's the sauce?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Where's the sauce. I'm like, I don't know. I asked
for a song, so.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
If you didn't ask me for you said, I didn't
say sauce. I'm like, they all come with sauce.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
We actually started fighting. We're like, are we fighting about
an in and out burger right now?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
And then I realized you did everything you could and
it was the lady at in and Out who really
messed up, but you were really oh yeah, I snapped
about defending yourself that it wasn't your fault, and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I snapped, of course I did. I'm like, I'm trying
to be a good girlfriend. And then you're not appreciating that.
Oh hell no.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
So finally I had to say, hold on a minute.
We are at a level ten and we're talking about
in and Out, so let's just chill. And then I
could see you you were still really heated, and I said, look,
you you did an amazing like, thank you so much
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for getting this trying your best. The lady's the one
that messed up. It's not your fault.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And if we hadn't done that, and it's as silly
as it sounds, if we hadn't done that life coach,
that lesson from the last time, then that fight would
have probably continued on. It was just because we had
learned from the path.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah. Well, I did start laughing that we were arguing
about in and out in the middle of the argument.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Okay, so let's talk about I had asked Instagram like,
what do you want to know about Aaron and I?
And I got a lot of the same questions how
did you meet? Which we explained in part one. I
think this one's a funny one. What are your pet
peeves about each other? What do you not like about me?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I think I have an idea of what you don't
like about me.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Oh, I can tell you what I don't like about you?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Is it the dreams?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Oh? My god? So when I wake up, I would like,
in a perfect world, some silence before I have a
cup of coffee.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
You wake up slow.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I wake up slow. It's like I get out of
bed slow, make my coffee, don't talk to anybody.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And you I'm like a nine when I wake up.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You're a ten. When you wake up and you're full
of energy, you like literally jump out of bed. And
then you start telling me your dreams and you just
start like yapping, and I'm like barely opening my eye.
So that is my pet, Peeve. I love you and
I appreciate all your energy, but I'm like, take it
down a notch for a couple minutes.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Sometimes these dreams are so complex and so interesting. At
two dreams in one night, I know you told me
in dream and in dream number two, I got a
text from me in dream number one.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, I don't want to hear that first thing.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
When I wake up, I'm like, what does that mean? Baby?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I'm like, it doesn't mean anything. It's a dream. There
is the reason it's a dream. I can have like
the craziest dreams of all time, and I wake up
and I'll never say a word about it. I feel
like a lot of people are like that, No, you.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Know, yeah, Michelle, you think that you said it the
other night, like only guys talk about dreams.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I thought it's a guy thing.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I don't think it's a guy thing. I think it's
a person on a person thing. I'm going to ask
my girl talk about dreams, and some people don't.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I don't know because I've never heard my girlfriends be like,
let me tell you about my dream last night.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Oh man, I've had I've had some dreams that. Yeah,
I have to talk about dreams.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Okay, we answered this. What is your love language? What
are your zodiac signs?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So my pet peeve about you?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Oh yeah, sorry, sorry I jumped the gun because I forgot.
I thought you don't have any.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Right just kidding. That's pretty true, except you know you
love getting real cozy before you sleep, but you sleep
in full pjs, like full sleeve like.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, yeah, I want to be compy. Yes, you want
me to wear lingerie for bed?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
What do you mean? I want you to wear nothing
to bed?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Okay, that's not happening. I'm a cold person, so I
like to be cozy and I love long sleeves and
my socks and my pants. Who cares? Can be sexy
at other times, so I don't have to be like
cute during while I'm sleepy. It's like the one time
I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Have to is like, doesn't have to be sexy all
the time, But you are sexy by not trying to
be sexy all the time.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Okay, I'll take that. So you want me to look
cute for bed? How about if I look cute and
then when I'm ready to sleep, then I put on
my pants.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
No, just go in with less. Okay, all right, So
let's talk about zodiac because we're very opposite.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I'm a Libra and I'm a Scorpio, and I feel
like I'm a true Scorpio because anytime I've ever googled
it and read about it, I'm like, oh, that's me,
that's me. That's me, like very intense from what I know,
very tense, like very hard to read, very deep. Hate
small talk, like if I'm talking to you, I don't
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want to like you know, we're never going to talk again. No,
I want to have like deep, meaningful conversation. I hate
the whole like elevator chat.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So one thing I think is very obvious, very obvious
difference between us is the way we make decisions. And
so I'm a hardcore Libra and I will weigh both
options back and forth, and I'll put myself in the
shoes of option one and then go completely to the
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opposite direction and say, okay, what if I did option two?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Oh yeah, And then once you decide, then you kind
of like lean back and I'm like it's so.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Then I'll decide and then I'll play with that. I'll
be that for a while, and then I'll go back
and say, well, what if this. I'm very diplomatic in
that sense. I'm going back and forth. I'm weighing. It's
a Libra scale, and I'm going back and forth both
sides of the brain, and I'm going.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Back and sting. Oh my god, I can't even imagine.
I'm like black and white.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
You ask me a feeling and you just make a
black and white decision.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, a feeling, a gut feeling like one way or
the other, and that's it. You move on in life.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
But I will say that sometimes I rely on you
for a decision making, and sometimes you rely on me
after I've gone through emotions and going back and forth,
and you'll just say, hey, just let me know when
you decide.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, you're definitely Libra. But I think we do. We're
a good match for one another. And I just saw
one more question. It was actually from Janet. She said,
the most romantic thing you've done for each other, And
I can instantly remember our first Valentines together. So one
of my favorite shows of all time is Downton Abbey.
(34:55):
I love it so.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Much and you know, gotten me to love it too.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I do you watch it and you liked it, and
I love everything about it, the way they dress, the era,
the old cars, and so that's part one. And then
I love to dance, which is something that I feel
like we don't get to do nowadays, Like there's not
a lot of places that you can go to like
listen to great music and dance, Like I'm not trying
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to go to a club. I want to go to, like,
I don't know, a concert with music like old school.
And so for first Valentines, he was like, what time
is it? And then I just heard this like old
school car drive by.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Well before that, I told you just dress, oh yeah,
nineteen twenties and you'll see the rest later. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
He didn't say anything else. So I actually ended up
wearing like a really clapper dress, clapper dress with like the.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Long pearls and the headband.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I did the whole thing, not knowing where I was
going or what I was doing. I'm like, all right,
you want me to be nineteen. What year is it?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Nineteen twenty, nineteen twenties.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Here I am out of the room.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Wearing a top hat I got a cane. I got
like a penguin jacket with the long tails, sweet suit,
mm hmm. And then I've got this pocket watch and
then I look at the pocket watch, what.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Time is it? And I just hear this like random
beep outside and I go out and I'm like, it
almost feels like midnight in Paris when it's midnight and
the car comes by, and.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I'm like exactly what I was trying to replicate.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yes, and that's my favorite movie. Thank you, Oh my god,
that was so.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Nineteen twenty nine for Model A or something like that.
I hired this car picks us up to take us
to a supper club called Cicada Club downtown, La.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah. So we had to drive in this car that
hasn't been driven in so many years, and we have
to drive downtown, which is like thirty minutes away, and
he takes me to this amazing place where we have
like fine dining, and then it's followed by music, swing
and swing dancing. So swing music, and Aaron used to
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be a swing dancer when he was a little boy,
which I love. So we were I've never swung. How
do you say that swung? I've never swing danced in
my life before, I guess, and we had the best
time ever, Like didn't matter who was watching us. I
didn't know how to dance like that, but like we
were just Yes, I got rid of them, thank you.
(37:27):
I had a great partner. So that was honestly so amazing.
I'm like, so much effort was put into it, and
it was like all the little things that I would
want that never happens. So that was my most romantic
thing that you've ever done for me.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
So Christmas, the first Christmas that we spent together, we
went to Santa Barbara before we started spinning Christmas, I
think with my family. No, you went down to your
families and then you came back up and spent Christmas
with me my family. But before that, you and I
went to a little steak cane Santa Barbara. Yeah, and
(38:07):
I got a nice hotel on the water, and we
brought gifts and you brought me a anniversary pack.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Oh you had mentioned how like the story about how
you had this wine with.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
The best wine I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
With your stepdad. Was a Frank family in a specific.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Year, so two thousand and five Frank family cab.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, it was just like you remember that moment and
that experience. So I wanted to make sure that I
got that for you, which was not easy to find,
but I was pretty proud of myself for finding it.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, because I credit that wine as the wine that
made me fall in love with wine. And you had
called frank Family Vineyards and asked if they had any
two thousand and fives left in their reserve vault or whatnot,
and then you ended up getting me this really cool
decorative box Frank Family with the logo on it and
(39:07):
there was three bottles of two thousand and five Frank
Family in.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
There, and it was three things. And then the frame.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
There was a frame with a picture the last picture
I ever took with my dad.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
And no, that's good. I cry all the time when
I ever whenever somebody mentions my mom.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, so that was so nice and so meaningful, and
we have that hung up at the house and yeah,
so that was one of the sweetest things you've ever
done for me.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
What was the A little caviar to top it off?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Oh, yeah, of caviar.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
So yeah, we've had some very special moments. So I
think you know, after hearing our story and everything, we've
gone through so far in such a short amount of time,
like can show people like you can find love again
after divorce and there's always somebody out there for you
that will treat you right and love you for who
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you are and appreciate that. And I hope that people can.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
See that and that you can fall in love with
one with one of your best friends, just like all
those rom coms that you love to watch.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
I love chick flicks, all right, So thank you for
being here. I think you'll come in and out quite
a bit, and I look forward to the near future.
And season two is coming out soon April fifteenth, and oh,
I feel like there will be a lot to.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Say, a lot to talk about in our Pursuit of Sassiness.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And you'll get why I called it Pursuit of sassiness
once the show airs, I promise
Welcome back everyone, I'm here with Aaron again.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello. Hopefully you guys didn't miss episode one, but I'm
back for more because we have so much more to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Part two is going to be juicy.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Very because it's like, we talked about how we met,
but you know, a lot has happened ever since then,
and I think we should dive into kind of the middle.
So we talk about how we watched season one together,
and right before season one aired, I found an apartment
(00:35):
nearby and I moved all my stuff and it was
just so amazing and like, what a new chapter to
have my own space again after so many years.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
M hm. And honestly with Isabella, like, I don't think
she minded having two houses. I think she was actually excited.
From what I remember, She's like, oh, I have two
houses with two sets of toys.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah. As a parent, you kind of get nervous of
like how a child is going to respond, and she
took it very positive, very positive. And people told me
that like the younger this happens as a child, the
better because they just bounce right back and they don't
know any better and then they learn what their new
normal is. And to her, she was so young, and
(01:24):
she was like, yeah, I have two beds and two
toys and I get to be with mommy and daddy
and I love that. You know, not much change for her.
We were in the same neighborhood. We would walk to school,
we would walk to her dad's house. So it was
very sweet.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
How did you introduce us again? Because I remember coming
over to your apartment. It was the first time that
I was like being introduced to Isabella.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, so for me as a mother, I wanted to
make sure that it was the right time that I
had known, like we were serious and I was in
love with you, and and okay, this is when you're
gonna meet my child. So you're gonna come in and
you're going to hang out for like an hour or
two and then you're gonna go home. And just we
would do that slowly. So I remember you coming to
(02:12):
my apartment and just like hanging out and we're like, okay,
we're gonna have a new friend. His name's Aaron. And
I think that was honestly the best way for me
and for my child. And she just instantly liked you,
and actually she wanted to hang out with you more
and more.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, we bonded really well. Our energy is so good together.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
When I moved out of the house, Jessein and I
had a one conversation and we had a mutual understanding,
and because he had told me, you know, you're never
going to introduce a man to Isabella, and I was like, well,
that's not the case. You know. Let's be real here
and eventually I'll have a boyfriend, and when that time comes,
I will inform you and if you want, you can
(02:53):
meet him as well. And I want to do this
the right way. I don't just want Isabella to meet
a bunch of women or men or just like coming
in out. It's like, once you're in a serious relationship,
then that time comes. She's too young, you know, you
don't want to just confuse her. And to me, that
was just the best approach.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, you're like, trust me, I'm not trying to rush
in introducing Isabella to somebody I'm not really planning on
getting married to or very serious.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Absolutely, yeah, because it only hurts my child if anything. Like,
I'm thinking of her first before myself.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So we put all this level of care and intentionality
into how I'm going to meet Isabella or be introduced
to Isabella.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, so my mom actually came over to take care
of Isabella. And then I get home and my mom's like, oh,
Isabella kept talking about somebody. I'm like, what do you mean.
She's like she just kept telling me because I said, oh,
what a beautiful braik. Did your dad learn how to
do a brain? And she's like, oh no, my daddy's
friend did my my did my brain? I'm like, what
do you mean daddy's friend? And so I had immediately
(04:04):
text Jesse and I'm like, hey, did you introduce somebody
to our daughter. He's like no. I'm like, well, she
said that somebody did her hair and he's like, oh,
a friend came over. I'm like what friend. He's like, oh,
just a girlfriend. I'm like what girlfriend? And so I
kept pushing and he's like finally I realized that it
was somebody that he was seeing. I'm like, you made
(04:27):
the rule to not introduce couples and people, and you
immediately introduce our daughter to somebody. And it's like, stop
giving me rules and not listening to your own rules. Yes,
I just learned that. You know, when you're trying to
get divorced, it's just easy. To tell somebody what to do,
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but not follow that same rule, and then he wonders
why I got so angry about it. I just thought,
it's like, you just started seeing somebody a week ago,
and my daughter's already hanging out with her, and if
we hadn't had that conversation, maybe I would let it pass.
But it was like his idea. So so we're in
(05:17):
the apartment and then season one airs and I'm like, Okay,
I haven't seen it, let's watch it together. I get
it a day before, and my heart is pounding because
I don't know what reality TV's like. I had mentioned
I never watch reality TV shows.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So we're drinking wine, sitting on the couch and they
start introducing all the characters, right. They start, here's Britney's home,
and here's her and Jackson, Kristen and Janet Jason, and
then they introduce Michelle and Jesse Yes, And the first
moment it's Michelle looking pretty annoyed and Jesse's like, hey,
(05:58):
you want a glass of champagne and Michelle's like, it's
ten in the morning. And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
That was a very typical conversation in our daily household.
It was just like, you know, priorities and that's what
I think is so important. My priority wasn't to drink
first thing in the morning after coffee. It was like,
I'm a mother, that's job one. I am a real
estate agent and we did this TV show. It's like
(06:27):
I was in the pursuit of success and he was
in the pursuit of laziness. It was just like that
was that was what it was. And so watching back,
I was like, you know, that wasn't just a moment,
that was my daily life with him.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Wow. Yeah, So I probably had this grin on my
face like, oh, this is checking out. This is how
she portrayed it, and she looks miserable. So Mike cool,
and so yeah, I see your guys dynamic because it
is not the best. And so for me like, okay, yeah,
(07:06):
I can see where you guys weren't good.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah. I was rolling my eyes because it was like
nothing new and that was just my life every single day.
It was like groundhog Day with do you want Champagne?
I'm like, no, I don't want Champagne. I have to
take care of a child.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
So then you guys are seeing a therapist or a
life coach.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, so weak. So we see a life coach because
we had a mutual friend that I think they had
a similar situation, and so he was highly recommended. And
we had never done therapy an entire our entire relationship.
I had never done my own personal.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
THEORPY in seven years, you guys.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Never. He was against it, he never believed in it,
and like, I didn't push it because I myself never
did therapy and so I didn't realize how important that
is to do throughout a marriage. I think, you know,
having check ins and having to talk to somebody is
very healthy and very good for you.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So did this come after you sort of expressed to
Jesse that you were very unhappy and that you were
considering a divorce.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
We hadn't done therapy then, No, not the very first
time around, but this but once we started filming and
I was like, Okay, a lot is happening. Let's start
therapy now. I'm gonna call him my life coach. And
he actually opened my eyes in a lot of ways.
(08:38):
I feel like people ask me, was it the show
that pushed you? And I was like, actually, it was
kind of my life coach because he would ask me
so many I would have one on ones and then
after I would do group sessions with Jesse, and I
just was learning so much about myself and what was
important to me and what were my values and like
what did I want in life? And he was just
(08:59):
like making me open my eyes and he's like wait,
So you know, he would always ask me like why
are you in this marriage? And my only response was
really like, I have a child. So that's why he's like, well,
it's not good for your child if she doesn't see
love and everything else that goes on to it. So
you're actually damaging your child instead of like doing the
(09:21):
right thing. And so he really opened my eyes in
so many ways, and I thank him for that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, I thought it was quite funny when Jesse said,
you know, I'm trying to show affection and then I
don't get anything back, so I give.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Up and he yeah, nothing was genuine. And that was
exactly what his name was, Scott. Like Scott would tell
him all the time, like, don't do things to expect
something like do it because you want to do it.
And it was very obvious that everything was forced and
he didn't want to give me a compliment. He didn't
want to do all of these simple things that it
takes to be in a real relationship.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And I mean I saw it between my mom and
my stepdad. They you know, I saw this kind of dynamic.
I saw what worked and didn't work. I saw what
happens when you get so comfortable that you stop saying
thank you for meals and you stop kissing each other
every day, and when you know, my stepdad would run
(10:24):
away to work and kind of prefer to be there.
And you know, something similar was going on with Jesse,
where he would sort of escape and you guys just
didn't have that affection anymore. And so to me, all
this looked the way that I was hoping or thought
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it would look so as far as.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, And I think that happens so much in marriages.
It's like after a period of time or after so long,
you just like your expectations are so low. But I
don't believe that you should stop giving each other compliments
or thinking one another or trying in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You like so beautiful today, by the way, Oh thank you.
So let's get into the rumors. So I'm sitting there
watching these episodes together, there's going to be all these
things that are coming from either nothing or coming from something,
and I'm you know, then we talk about certain things.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, I had no idea that like they'll take the
littlest things and like my friends will completely twist or
lie or exaggerate or like make nothing out of something.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, so it was sort of a mini evolution. Get
I get to become closer with everybody on the cast, right,
all your friends, I get to become closer with them,
get to learn more about them, and you know, learning
more about you. And then we would have certain conversations
(11:59):
about like Okay, well what happened here? So they're saying
this about this famous director, rumors that you had some
some thing with this director, and all the guys are
trying to figure out what were you doing with him?
(12:20):
You know, why were you with him?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
By the way, they would have this Boy's Chat. I
don't know who's in it. It's like twenty guys, and
I hated the thing. I will say that was one
of the things that I had a major problem with
because it's like constantly being on the boy's Chat and
like imagine just twenty people all day long, just texting
and texting about random and stupid shit like this boy's
(12:45):
chat was not beneficial.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I mean there's been some some rumors and stuff
that's come from that. So this is one of those
that I talk to you about. I said, so, who
is the director? What is this story? And you explain
to me in detail what had happened. So what happened
(13:10):
that day? Who is the famous director?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
We all want to know the famous director. I meet
so many people, and I say that time and time
again because it really is part of the work that
I do. It's like, in order to you know, sell
these type of houses, you have to know who these
people are and you have to create friendships and relationships
(13:33):
to have these clients. So you know, I've emphasized that
because that is part of.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
My job strength too.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It is my strength. There's things that I can't do,
and my strength is to get is to lead, generate.
And so I did live across the street from Chateau
MArmand so I would go there often, and many celebrities
go there, and I've I've befriended a ton of people.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, so this day was such a casual day.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
That oh, super casual. Okay, So I'm going to answer
the question. The director was Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It was you know he hangs out at Sheddau all
the time, Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, all the time, whenever he needs to work. That's
where he works from. And so one day I was
hanging out there and he's actually sitting next to me,
and I don't really quite know who he is, but
I see that everybody's looking at him and wanting to
talk to him, and I'm not paying any attention.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And your girlfriends were there with you before, Jesse was
at the house before.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Oh yeah, so that is. So that day was kind
of a Sunday and I'm hanging out with my girls
and one of my best friends wasn't feeling well, so
they had left. So I'm kind of there by myself
at the time, and that's when I see Quentin next
to me, and so people are like paying attention to him,
trying to say hi to him, and I'm not I'm
just mining my own business because.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You've actually never seen a Quentin Tarantina film.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
So just the other yeah, I had never seen. I'm
really bad, Like why I meet so many people and
I'm like, I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
In my head He's the godfather of film.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Well now I know, yeah, I didn't know at the time.
Thirty minutes later, somehow we start having a conversation because
he's literally next to me, and we had a great
conversation and I started talking about real estate and he
started I actually had a really cool listing nearby, and
I was like, Hey, if you ever need a movie,
you should totally do your movie at this house. And
(15:29):
I explained why he wanted to see pictures, and it
was just like very good back and forth. He told
me about the first time he bought his house and
like what it was like becoming a famous a famous director,
while like you know, he was living in an apartment
in West Hollywood and how the evolution came. So it
was like, great conversation.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
This is rare. It's you and Quentin Tarantina locked in.
You guys are now ordering Margarita's hanging out at Chateau,
and there's these fans that are continuing to walk up
to him and saying, hey, can I get an autograph
or can I get a picture? But you, you and
him are in your own conversation exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And so I had actually text Jesse because he's at
the house with Isabella, and I'm like, hey, I'm hanging
out with Quentin Tarantino. So I'm like, come down if
you have time. So he comes down that day with Isabella,
and I introduced it immediately and I'm like, here's this
is my husband, this is my daughter. Quentin actually has
a child similar age in Isabella. So we just start
(16:31):
talking about children and Jesse hangs out with us for
a couple minutes and then Jesse's like, Okay, why don't
you go home with Isabella.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I'm like, He's like, it's my time now.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, He's like like he wanted, Yeah, he wanted to
hang out. He wanted to have fun, he wanted like
to have his moment. I'm like, no, you hang out
with Isabella, Like, this is my moment, Like this is
my lead, This is like my day and I take
care of our child every day.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You guys had the agreement that this was your day
to hang out with your girlfriends and bound out by
the pool at Chatteau.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, and you know, Jesse's the opposite of me. He
wanted to be an actor, so he knew exactly who
Quinton was and he wanted.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
He was trying to get into a.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Movie, absolutely, I'm sure. So he was like, can I
can I hang out here, and I'm like no, and
he actually got mad, like I want to be here.
You go home with our daughter. I'm like, no, you
go home with our daughter. And he's like fine.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I almost wish you did let him Jesse hang out
with him, because then we could have swapped the rumor
and say Jesse and Quintin had a little thing going on.
That would have been best.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So to this day, he's a friend of mine. I
actually emailed him here and there. I even told him
about our podcast here. So maybe one day I'll have
him have him on if he has time or if
he's around. But he's a great friend. He's a great person,
has a lovely wife and child, and that's.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
It, all right. So I'm watching I'm watching the episode
you got all the guys in the pool, Jesse's there.
They're bringing up that you hang out with these celebrities
and that you hung out with this famous director, and
Jesse's like allowing them to sort of create this rumor
(18:14):
around it, because Jesse's almost antagonizing it. He's almost instigating that, Yeah,
maybe there's something that happened.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I honestly don't even know, like how that became such
a thing because I'm sure Jesse sent a group text
to the boys and then suddenly Jacksay's like, what is
Michelle doing hanging out? Like it just became something that
was nothing.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
He pushed these sort of things even though he knew
well what the truth was and you know what was
really going on exactly, kind of putting you in a
place right to make it look bad.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, and he shouldn't have done that because all I
was doing was benefiting us in our family and working hard.
Something I kind of want to mention because I thought
it was quite funny about season one Danny always talking about,
like what is your love language? And I think it
was Jackson what was like, what's a love language? And
I think it's kind of important. Sometimes it's silly to
(19:13):
some people, but it's like we all have our love languages,
and I think it's important to know what yours is,
but also what your partner is and like having to
make that change or like realize that it is important.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yep. So we're talking about these famous five love languages.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Mm hmm. Mine is hands down, physical touch. I need
to be like you need to hold my hand, you
need to hug me and kiss me on the lips.
That's all I need in my life. I don't need gifts.
I don't There's so much I don't need, but I
need that physical.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Touch and where that leads to it's is great. So
quality time. I think we spend a lot of quality
time to together. And you know, we were actually always
doing things for one another, like self, Leslie, I'm always
making sure you've eaten dinner or you have lunch, and
(20:14):
vice versa. You're doing that for me too. Did you
need me to help you with this? Or do you
need me to walk Kilo?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And that's what I like about us. It's not you
doing everything, it's not me doing everything. There is like
a very healthy balance partners, partners, Yes, we are partners.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Getting through season one, getting through watching season one together,
there's a lot of ups and downs as far as
you know, rumors and how your portrayed and how other
people are portrayed, and then the you know, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I get asked that all the time, like how what
did you think of season one as a show? I
think it was great.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I think it ended like a like a movie, like
it ended really really strong, and it was.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It was a great first season. It was a great
first season, really great. I think like if you looked
at it just in terms of me as an individual,
it does not show anything about me. It did not
show what I was going through. It did not show,
you know, me dealing with my mom's situation, which was huge.
(21:31):
It did just it just there was only so much
that could show because there's so many people, and I
just felt like it was very false and like who
I was.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You had a lot going on. You were in the
middle of divorce and trying to figure out what's best
for you and your child. You are handling the news
that your mom has stage four cancer and that you
guys were going through treatments and things weren't really improving.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And yeah, things were not improving my mom. I mean,
first thing is, we didn't even know where what kind
of cancer it was, so it took a while to
figure out what it was, and multiple surgeries and scans
and so many things.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And you and I have gone through some of the
most challenging things that anybody would ever go through in
a actual a short period of time. I actually lost
my dad at the end of twenty twenty three, and
it was very different to how you lost your mom.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It was suddenly it was and I was with you
that night.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
We went to a Christmas party and I got the
news from my brother who called me from Thailand. And
you and I were just walking out the door at
this Christmas party at the Belmont and I pick up
the phone. I'm like, oh, this is weird. Why is
my brother calling me? And my dad had had a
heart attack And I was on the phone while my
dad gave his last breath and he passed away. And
(23:08):
so that ended twenty twenty three. Then, you know, it
was just the beginning of you and Jesse really like
going through all this crazyness and drama with the divorce
and then your mom, and.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It was just like one after the other, and it
is pretty crazy that like we're together and we're happy
because we had so many things against us and we
were just like our relationship was good, like other than
you and my daughter, everything else was just going to shit,
But you guys were just like my stability, my happiness,
(23:53):
and that really like I knew from then that I
was like, this is going to be a good relationship
because if we're starting strong going through all this shit,
like it's only going to get easier.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, we didn't argue for a very very long time.
And I remember our very first argument that we did have.
You're actually like, hey, I got an idea. Let me call.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Scott my Oh yeah, So one thing I learned from
my last relationship. I mentioned like we didn't do therapy,
and so Aaron and I had been together for a
long time and then I think we got in like
such a huge fight and I threw it out there.
I'm like, how would you feel about doing a therapy
session together? And I thought that was and you loved
(24:37):
the idea, and it was like the most amazing thing
I had ever experienced. I was like, wait, why don't
more couples do this? Like when you're first dating or
you're first in a relationship, like and you get in
such a big argument, sometimes you need that middle person
to like explain both sides. And that was just like
an eye opener, Like wow, like we don't talk about
(24:58):
this in society, but I I think we should do
therapy in the beginning, even before you get married, especially
before you get married.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, and you know, I felt like we just like
knit that in the butt because we got Scott involved
very quickly, and we got on a call, and I
loved it because he really agreed with everything that I
was saying. And you know, I was totally right, not
just kidding.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And Scott has yeah, become become a partner in our
in our lives as well.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
So yeah, so we we are a normal couple. We
definitely fight here and there. We're good at not bickering,
you know, day to day, but like we get into
arguments and whenever it is a big argument, we do
have a life coach, and I think it helps the
both of us grow and see the other point of view.
And I just feel like we're like, okay, let's move
(25:52):
forward and you know, not resent each other.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And I try really hard like the other Like the
other day, I said, hey, remember how I wasn't paying
attention to your feelings. Well, I don't want to be
in that situation again.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Like I want Oh yeah, I kept saying, like, you're
not listening to me, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You're not paying attention to my feelings. Yes, And then
the other day you were doing something and you weren't
paying attention to my feelings.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
You threw it back at me, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I said, look, let's let's take our feelings as respectfully,
you know, so you have to listen to me, and
I want that to be that sort of like aha
moment where we can come away and they let's first
(26:46):
respect each other's feelings and kind of figure out the
details from there absolutely without trying to defend ourselves.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And that can be hard at times because it's like
in the moment when you're fighting, you want to be
stubborn and like you think your way is the only way,
and you know, if you can learn from me, I
would highly suggest having somebody a life coach at their
pissed or you know, somebody to talk to.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
But it does take either you or me in that
moment when things are heated to be the calm one
and to be the one that's like, hey, let's step
back and pay attention to feelings and just look at
this from you know, a bird's eye view and say
what's actually going on? Like that one time when you
didn't get sauce on my in and out burger and.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
You will, that was a fight we've ever ever been in.
I was like I was doing something nice. I'm like,
would you like in and out? And I grabbed you
in and out? And then as soon as.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
They gave it to you were like, where's the sauce?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Where's the sauce. I'm like, I don't know. I asked
for a song, so.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
If you didn't ask me for you said, I didn't
say sauce. I'm like, they all come with sauce.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
We actually started fighting. We're like, are we fighting about
an in and out burger right now?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
And then I realized you did everything you could and
it was the lady at in and Out who really
messed up, but you were really oh yeah, I snapped
about defending yourself that it wasn't your fault, and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I snapped, of course I did. I'm like, I'm trying
to be a good girlfriend. And then you're not appreciating that.
Oh hell no.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
So finally I had to say, hold on a minute.
We are at a level ten and we're talking about
in and Out, so let's just chill. And then I
could see you you were still really heated, and I said, look,
you you did an amazing like, thank you so much
(28:41):
for getting this trying your best. The lady's the one
that messed up. It's not your fault.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And if we hadn't done that, and it's as silly
as it sounds, if we hadn't done that life coach,
that lesson from the last time, then that fight would
have probably continued on. It was just because we had
learned from the path.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah. Well, I did start laughing that we were arguing
about in and out in the middle of the argument.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Okay, so let's talk about I had asked Instagram like,
what do you want to know about Aaron and I?
And I got a lot of the same questions how
did you meet? Which we explained in part one. I
think this one's a funny one. What are your pet
peeves about each other? What do you not like about me?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I think I have an idea of what you don't
like about me.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Oh, I can tell you what I don't like about you?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Is it the dreams?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Oh? My god? So when I wake up, I would like,
in a perfect world, some silence before I have a
cup of coffee.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
You wake up slow.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I wake up slow. It's like I get out of
bed slow, make my coffee, don't talk to anybody.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And you I'm like a nine when I wake up.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You're a ten. When you wake up and you're full
of energy, you like literally jump out of bed. And
then you start telling me your dreams and you just
start like yapping, and I'm like barely opening my eye.
So that is my pet, Peeve. I love you and
I appreciate all your energy, but I'm like, take it
down a notch for a couple minutes.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Sometimes these dreams are so complex and so interesting. At
two dreams in one night, I know you told me
in dream and in dream number two, I got a
text from me in dream number one.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, I don't want to hear that first thing.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
When I wake up, I'm like, what does that mean? Baby?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I'm like, it doesn't mean anything. It's a dream. There
is the reason it's a dream. I can have like
the craziest dreams of all time, and I wake up
and I'll never say a word about it. I feel
like a lot of people are like that, No, you.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Know, yeah, Michelle, you think that you said it the
other night, like only guys talk about dreams.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I thought it's a guy thing.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I don't think it's a guy thing. I think it's
a person on a person thing. I'm going to ask
my girl talk about dreams, and some people don't.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I don't know because I've never heard my girlfriends be like,
let me tell you about my dream last night.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Oh man, I've had I've had some dreams that. Yeah,
I have to talk about dreams.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Okay, we answered this. What is your love language? What
are your zodiac signs?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So my pet peeve about you?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Oh yeah, sorry, sorry I jumped the gun because I forgot.
I thought you don't have any.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Right just kidding. That's pretty true, except you know you
love getting real cozy before you sleep, but you sleep
in full pjs, like full sleeve like.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, yeah, I want to be compy. Yes, you want
me to wear lingerie for bed?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
What do you mean? I want you to wear nothing
to bed?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Okay, that's not happening. I'm a cold person, so I
like to be cozy and I love long sleeves and
my socks and my pants. Who cares? Can be sexy
at other times, so I don't have to be like
cute during while I'm sleepy. It's like the one time
I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Have to is like, doesn't have to be sexy all
the time, But you are sexy by not trying to
be sexy all the time.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Okay, I'll take that. So you want me to look
cute for bed? How about if I look cute and
then when I'm ready to sleep, then I put on
my pants.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
No, just go in with less. Okay, all right, So
let's talk about zodiac because we're very opposite.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I'm a Libra and I'm a Scorpio, and I feel
like I'm a true Scorpio because anytime I've ever googled
it and read about it, I'm like, oh, that's me,
that's me. That's me, like very intense from what I know,
very tense, like very hard to read, very deep. Hate
small talk, like if I'm talking to you, I don't
(33:07):
want to like you know, we're never going to talk again. No,
I want to have like deep, meaningful conversation. I hate
the whole like elevator chat.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So one thing I think is very obvious, very obvious
difference between us is the way we make decisions. And
so I'm a hardcore Libra and I will weigh both
options back and forth, and I'll put myself in the
shoes of option one and then go completely to the
(33:37):
opposite direction and say, okay, what if I did option two?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Oh yeah, And then once you decide, then you kind
of like lean back and I'm like it's so.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Then I'll decide and then I'll play with that. I'll
be that for a while, and then I'll go back
and say, well, what if this. I'm very diplomatic in
that sense. I'm going back and forth. I'm weighing. It's
a Libra scale, and I'm going back and forth both
sides of the brain, and I'm going.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Back and sting. Oh my god, I can't even imagine.
I'm like black and white.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
You ask me a feeling and you just make a
black and white decision.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, a feeling, a gut feeling like one way or
the other, and that's it. You move on in life.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
But I will say that sometimes I rely on you
for a decision making, and sometimes you rely on me
after I've gone through emotions and going back and forth,
and you'll just say, hey, just let me know when
you decide.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, you're definitely Libra. But I think we do. We're
a good match for one another. And I just saw
one more question. It was actually from Janet. She said,
the most romantic thing you've done for each other, And
I can instantly remember our first Valentines together. So one
of my favorite shows of all time is Downton Abbey.
(34:55):
I love it so.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Much and you know, gotten me to love it too.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I do you watch it and you liked it, and
I love everything about it, the way they dress, the era,
the old cars, and so that's part one. And then
I love to dance, which is something that I feel
like we don't get to do nowadays, Like there's not
a lot of places that you can go to like
listen to great music and dance, Like I'm not trying
(35:20):
to go to a club. I want to go to, like,
I don't know, a concert with music like old school.
And so for first Valentines, he was like, what time
is it? And then I just heard this like old
school car drive by.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Well before that, I told you just dress, oh yeah,
nineteen twenties and you'll see the rest later. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
He didn't say anything else. So I actually ended up
wearing like a really clapper dress, clapper dress with like the.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Long pearls and the headband.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I did the whole thing, not knowing where I was
going or what I was doing. I'm like, all right,
you want me to be nineteen. What year is it?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Nineteen twenty, nineteen twenties.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Here I am out of the room.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Wearing a top hat I got a cane. I got
like a penguin jacket with the long tails, sweet suit,
mm hmm. And then I've got this pocket watch and
then I look at the pocket watch, what.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Time is it? And I just hear this like random
beep outside and I go out and I'm like, it
almost feels like midnight in Paris when it's midnight and
the car comes by, and.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I'm like exactly what I was trying to replicate.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yes, and that's my favorite movie. Thank you, Oh my god,
that was so.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Nineteen twenty nine for Model A or something like that.
I hired this car picks us up to take us
to a supper club called Cicada Club downtown, La.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah. So we had to drive in this car that
hasn't been driven in so many years, and we have
to drive downtown, which is like thirty minutes away, and
he takes me to this amazing place where we have
like fine dining, and then it's followed by music, swing
and swing dancing. So swing music, and Aaron used to
(37:03):
be a swing dancer when he was a little boy,
which I love. So we were I've never swung. How
do you say that swung? I've never swing danced in
my life before, I guess, and we had the best
time ever, Like didn't matter who was watching us. I
didn't know how to dance like that, but like we
were just Yes, I got rid of them, thank you.
(37:27):
I had a great partner. So that was honestly so amazing.
I'm like, so much effort was put into it, and
it was like all the little things that I would
want that never happens. So that was my most romantic
thing that you've ever done for me.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
So Christmas, the first Christmas that we spent together, we
went to Santa Barbara before we started spinning Christmas, I
think with my family. No, you went down to your
families and then you came back up and spent Christmas
with me my family. But before that, you and I
went to a little steak cane Santa Barbara. Yeah, and
(38:07):
I got a nice hotel on the water, and we
brought gifts and you brought me a anniversary pack.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Oh you had mentioned how like the story about how
you had this wine with.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
The best wine I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
With your stepdad. Was a Frank family in a specific.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Year, so two thousand and five Frank family cab.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, it was just like you remember that moment and
that experience. So I wanted to make sure that I
got that for you, which was not easy to find,
but I was pretty proud of myself for finding it.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, because I credit that wine as the wine that
made me fall in love with wine. And you had
called frank Family Vineyards and asked if they had any
two thousand and fives left in their reserve vault or whatnot,
and then you ended up getting me this really cool
decorative box Frank Family with the logo on it and
(39:07):
there was three bottles of two thousand and five Frank
Family in.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
There, and it was three things. And then the frame.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
There was a frame with a picture the last picture
I ever took with my dad.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
And no, that's good. I cry all the time when
I ever whenever somebody mentions my mom.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, so that was so nice and so meaningful, and
we have that hung up at the house and yeah,
so that was one of the sweetest things you've ever
done for me.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
What was the A little caviar to top it off?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Oh, yeah, of caviar.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
So yeah, we've had some very special moments. So I
think you know, after hearing our story and everything, we've
gone through so far in such a short amount of time,
like can show people like you can find love again
after divorce and there's always somebody out there for you
that will treat you right and love you for who
(40:10):
you are and appreciate that. And I hope that people can.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
See that and that you can fall in love with
one with one of your best friends, just like all
those rom coms that you love to watch.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
I love chick flicks, all right, So thank you for
being here. I think you'll come in and out quite
a bit, and I look forward to the near future.
And season two is coming out soon April fifteenth, and oh,
I feel like there will be a lot to.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Say, a lot to talk about in our Pursuit of Sassiness.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And you'll get why I called it Pursuit of sassiness
once the show airs, I promise
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