May 19, 2025 • 45 mins
He loves love, and we love him!
After eleven years on reality TV, VPR star Tom Schwartz is still that genuine midwest guy who wants a wife. In this episode he spills his heart to Michelle, from his favorite Vanderpump memory (and yes it includes Katie), to the ONE thing that left him down bad and defeated like never before. Schwartzy also talks about the most expensive lesson he ever learned, his big warning for business-minded fans, and his secret passion no one knows about! Plus, from his PUMP induced panic attack, to his breakups past and present, Tom talks about the emotional gamut he's been through, and where he'll go from here! Meanwhile, Michelle responds to some catty comments from housewives she’s never met.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Right, Welcome back everyone. I am so excited and happy
because I have an og vander Pump friend with me today.
Hi Tom, Tom.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Shorts, lovely to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm so happy you're doing the damn thing. I can't
believe it.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I know it's like some I overthought it. I could
have started my podcast like years ago. I had this
concept and I loved it.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
That's that's my first question, because congratulations.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh thanks you too.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
It's called Detox Retalks Free Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm trying to level up spiritually, physically, emotionally.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
What made you want to finally do it?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It was for it to be a traveling show.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And I'm like, just making a show, pitching a show
and trying to bring it to fruition. Oh my god,
there's so much red tape. It could take years. And
I'm like, I'll just start a podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Like everyone else.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
No, it's hard to do. It's honestly, even though everyone
has one, it's really hard to do.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It's like a meme. It's been memified at this point.
We should start a podcast, Michelle. Yeah, this is our
spinoff podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So you had your first guest, which was Katie.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
It was Katie.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I actually want to listen to it because yes, it's
going to be so good.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
We did a mindful micro dose. I've done shrooms so
many times, and I've you know, just like eyeball the
micro dose here and there. But you know, it's one
tenth to one twentieth of your usual dose, which I
think is three grams. Okay, I already forget Oh my god,
I got to brush up. But it was fun to
sit down, have a glass of wine and just riff.
You know, we see each other a good amount because
we have shared custody of the dogs, which is.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Rare because so do we I don't know if you
know that. Do you share Malibu? H? How is that
like with you guys? You guys have like a certain
drop off.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
This is nice, Michelle, because I feel like I only
we've see each other and we exchanged niceties, and I
feel like the only thing I really know about you
is what I've seen on TV or what I've heard
through the grapevine. Not in a salacious way, but this
is nice to finally sit down and shoot the.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I know anyways, and I probably have seen you for
like what at least five ten years. I don't even
know five years and we always say hi to each other,
and we're really nice to each other, but we never
really like had lunch together, like sat down and talk.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
This is nice. Yeah, sorry, I forgot what you asked me.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
About the dog situation because I don't know if that
happens often, because we did it because of Isabella. She
loves Malibu and always wants to be with Malibu. Yeah,
so we just made sure like whoever, whoever has Isabella,
then that's where Malibu goes.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I love that and I respect that. I know you're
going through it right now. We're not going to get
into that, but I respect that you guys are cordial
when it comes to your baby and the dog. And
you know, I've seen it go the other way like
vicious custody battles over well kids obviously.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
But dogs too.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I didn't know fishous falling out over puppies. I'm keeping
the dog scram.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah I could. I mean, I technically Malibu was mine.
I got her before I got her in twenty fourteen,
before I even knew Jesse. But it just made sense
for Isabella to be with Malibu.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
That makes me happy.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So what is it? Is it a fifty to fifty custody.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
No, it used to be, and we thought it was
a little much for the dogs every week taking him
back and forth, and I was always pretty much the
primary caretaker.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
We both love them equally.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Katie's a great mom, but she decided to be best
and we decided it would be best if they just
stay with me, and then Katie can come see them
whenever she wants, and when I leave town I have
a gig or I want to travel, she'll watch them,
snuggle up with them.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But we have a good thing going.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, how long has it been since you guys got divorced?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
We got divorced in twenty twenty two, February twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It was a wow. I thought it was longer than that.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
No, it was, yeah, No, it's I mean, listen, we're
totally reconciled and we're cool.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Not to rub it in your face.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
No, I mean that's the goal. That's always going to
be the goal.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You're going to get there, right.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I don't think it depends on me, but yeah, I hope.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So, but how you hold up?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I'm actually doing okay this the everything is happening all like,
it's all happening right now. It's very interesting the Instagram
messages that get in the DMS, and like, there's a
lot of positive, but there's also a lot of negative,
and some of it is really hurtful or like just
(04:29):
digging into like how I speak or what I look like,
or it's just it's a lot and I never even
like thought of it. I was saying it to Aaron
last night. I was like, wait, do I speak funny?
Because people keep saying that I have this accent and
I'm kind of monotone, and I'm like, that's just how
I speak. I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I've seen this one on the internet. You're not monotonous.
You have a lovely cadence and inflection in your voice. Yeah,
but also, well you're a veteran now season two but
has by the way, it'll make you neurotic if you
dive too deep into the comments. Are there any recent
ones that really broke you not?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I mean I got a lot about the voice thing,
and I kind of laughed at it and I was
like I was asking him and he's like, yeah, you
have an accent. I'm like, obviously I do. I blame
part of it because my mom is Mexican, my dad's Persian,
and I just heard so many languages, like my grandparents
spoke Turkish to me. Like there was just so much
and I just somehow grew up with this accent.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Your accent's lovely. It's a melting pot of an accent.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, right, I think so.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
The dms.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Oh yeah, Like do you do you have like a
morbid curiosity?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Do you have to look or do you do you
self censor? Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It depends if I'm really busy and if I have Isabella,
if I'm working, I won't look at any of them.
But there are moments like if I don't have her
on the weekend and I have nothing going on, then
I'll just kind of look quickly show the heck. Yeah.
But it's like there's nothing in the middle. It's just
super like I'm so proud of you, you're amazing, your
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story is helping others. And then like the complete opposite,
just like name calling me, just things I've never really
heard about myself. I'm like, wow, some people really hate me.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, I know. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
There's like they see snippets of your life and they
extrapolate and they sort of reduce you to your worst moment.
But just know, if it's any comfort after being on
TV for like eleven years and being in the bars
every night, people come to me and they're like, we
love you. You know that, right, I talk shit online,
but now that I'm here with you, you're lovely and
I love you and you've brought so much joy into
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our life.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Blah blah blah. Just like they're always so nice face
to face, and.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, that makes me happy to hear.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I love killing them with kindness, of course. And a
lot of people are just feeling a little adrift at
sea in life. Maybe they're lost, or they're feeling not
especially fulfilled at the moment, and you know, they go
online and you know.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
There's few a little hate.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I don't recommend it, but I understand it. And yeah,
if you if you meet that hate with kindness, they're always.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh my god, oh my god. I didn't think you'd
see this. I'm so sorry. I love you. I love
the show. You're cool.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
So how did you fine dealing? Going back to like
you were on vander Pump for how many years?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
We did? We did eleven Lovely Twisted seasons?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Wow, so eleven seasons, and I'm sure you had good
seasons and bad seasons. How did you navigate when you
had a bad season? Like, what did you do?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I mean, listen, I back in the day.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I'm not proud to say it, but I think I
leaned into my vices.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You know, I sipped the scissor.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Not like in a problematic way, but that and I
would make sure to go reconnect with my friends outside
of the show and my family because I always have.
I've always had a really good support system. I'm lucky
to have great parents, great friends, so they would always
give me a reality check, you know what I mean.
But uh, I think I've gotten a lot better at
(08:08):
taking criticism. Listen, as long as you're funny, you're gonna
be mean, be funny. I like being roasted.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You know one thing that like I don't love is
watching myself on TV.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I used to love myself till I started watching myself
on TV. Really, I mean, I still love myself. Tom,
I love you, but I just I'm like, I look gangly.
I'm not smooth.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
In my mind.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I'm a little smoother than I am on TV and
a little funnier and a little better looking. I see
myself and I'm like, oh, god man, you're goon, gangly goon.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
We're all hard on ourselves. I mean I say the
same thing when I look at myself, I'm like, is
that what it's like? Or is that why am I
doing that in that moment? Like that's so weird.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I know it's hard. It's hard. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I like, I just recently watched my wedding, like two
years ago or something. I never watched it, but I
would always just kind of fast forward through my parts.
And I'm not even trying to be mister humble over here,
but I just don't like watching myself.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Wait, I want to go back to you watching your wedding.
How did that make you feel?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I mean it was like, I know, spoiler alert, it
doesn't work out in the end, we got divorced. But
it's probably my favorite moment ever on the show, just
because we had such a great group of people. It
was a destination wedding up in Gregel. It's like beautiful
Northwest California.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Up by Tahoe. Have you been up by Tahoe?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I haven't, but I saw the pictures and everything Katie
looked gorgeous, and the whole venue looked amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, thank you. It was. Yeah, it was beautiful. It
was magical. I had so many great people there.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And yeah, then, but I don't want to I don't
want to sound weird romanticizing my wedding. But it was awesome.
I think even Katie would say the same thing. Our
wedding was so fun.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I think that's positive. I think that's good.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It was and then we went home. We kicked it
for a few days, and then we were just off
to Bora Bora.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I was like, yeah, but yeah, you're also in like
your twenties.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I was, well, I was pushing thirty in the forty.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Two, okay, kind of old.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No, you're not.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I feel really good though. I feel like I'm in
close to being in the best shape of my life.
I might not look it, but I feel it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I think I just feel good right now. I feel
kind of confident.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I actually feel the same way about myself. I'm like,
I'm thirty six, I have a five year old, and
I feel better than ever.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
You're glowing right now. You gotta aura going, Michelle. Yeah,
I'm happy to see you happy right now, because I
know you're going through it.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And I am, but I have I'm in a great relationship. Yes,
really really yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, shout out to Aaron. I haven't really got to
bond or connect with Aaron, but he seems lovely. Yeah,
he's got to kill a wat smile and he's always Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
He's a really good, easy going I feel like you
guys would get along really well because you both are
easy and fun.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, I'm easy like a Sunday morning. I am pretty,
I'm pretty chill.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So you were dating somebody, but you guys broke up.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, yeah, we were never formally dating. But no, she's amazing,
one of the great loves of my life. Honestly, we're
still really good friends. But we were never really formally dating.
And you, guys, it's not a commitment thing.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's about respecting someone's boundaries. And but yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Technically, I mean, honestly, I prefer not. I kind of
want to respect her privacy. Even though we didn't say
her name. She's a very private person, so I don't
want to like violate her to see otherwise I'd love
to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Are you dating now?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Do you want to technically I'm single, but I'm not
advertising in and I'm not pursuing that.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Okay, so I'm just laying low. I'm falling in love
with myself all over again.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I love that. I think that everybody should before getting
into a relationship.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
We're so hard on ourselves.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I think back to the past, like eleven years, I
was really really hard on myself. Maybe at times not
hard enough, and some of my sloppy eras, Yeah, I
had some sloppy eras, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I think me and myself we got a good thing
going now.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I feel like I matured at a very young age.
And then you know, obviously I filed for divorce and
I immediately kind of started dating because I had felt
even though I was married, I had felt alone for
so long that like I was ready to be with somebody,
Like I didn't want to date, I didn't want to
be single, like I wanted to be in a happy
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relationship with somebody.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I totally get that. I'm a serial monogamist.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I love I love love even when I'm not looking
for it, it finds me. I love, I still love you,
but I just I'm not codependent at all. I'm very
happy being on my own, but I prefer to be
in relationships great at dating. And I know it's like
sometimes people see it from outside and it looks kind
(13:01):
of jarring when you get out of a marriage or
something and you start dating immediately again, which Katie did,
And I mean it hurt my feelings a little bit,
but I totally understood it because it's not like it's
not like an abrupt breakup. There's maybe a year or
years that lead up to that moment, that decision, and
it's not an easy one. So you know, I guess
from the outside looking game, when you see someone fresh
(13:23):
out of a divorce's dating again, it looks like, wow,
they moved on quick.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, because I get criticized for that often.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, yeah, I've seen some of that.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, And it's not the case. It's just like it
had been so long that I missed a lot of
things in a relationship that I'm like, that's what I want,
and I just happened to meet such a great or no,
such a great person and it just worked.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Does he do the podcast with you?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
We've done a couple Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, how because it's weird. You guys clearly have great
chemistry and you dig each other. I saw you on
vacation and why looks so fun? I love Hawaii. We
could do a whole episode about Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Oh, let's go back. I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But sometimes you might have the most natural, charismatic, effortless
energy with someone, but you get into a room with
a mic and cameras, it's like, hey, you look nice today.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So that was him the first like five minutes, because
he had never done a podcast ever, and I had
only done a few, so it was like brand new
to us. And I looked at him, I'm like, just
be yourself, that's.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
All you have to do.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, I mean podcasts one because I like to just
like overthink it and I want to add all these
crazy like sound effects and stuff like that. They're like,
people just want to hear you riff in a room,
like they want to be a fly on the wall
and just hear you shooting the shit.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, we're shooting the shit right now.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I'm still getting used to it, but absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
But yeah, how was your trip to Hawaii?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It was good. He actually has a best friend that
he grew up that lives over there, so we got
to spend some time with him and his fiance and
then we stayed at a hotel, and so it was
kind of like the best of both worlds, Like we
got to be with a local and go to the
local restaurants and places that normally, like the tourists wouldn't
go to. And then we got to do like vacation hotel,
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you know, poolside.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
What island did you stay on?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
We went to a Wahoo at Turtle Bay.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Oh, Turtle Bay is the best, forget about it. I've
never stayed there. The last time I went, we were
thinking about going last second and I think it was
booked out.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So we ended up going.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
To the south west part of Wahu. We stayed at
the Four Seasons, not to flex on you guys, and.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
It was it looks amazing. I want to go there
next fabulous.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
And when I have kids, I want to go to
the Disney resort. You should take Isabella next time you
go to Hawaii. Yeah, take her to the resort next
to the Four Seasons. It's a Disney resort. If I
was a kid, I'm an adult and I want to
go there.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Even at the Four Seasons, I'm looking over like, whoa,
they look like they're having fun over there.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh, I want to do that so gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Google it. After this, you got to take Isabella.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It worked out perfectly. I had I haven't taken a
vacation in years, and I had Isabella for her birthday
this year. And then Jesse said, my parents want to
come from Boston. They rarely come, so they want to
spend you know, six days with Isabella. Can I keep
her for six days and then you can keep her
the following six days? And I said sure. And as
soon as I told Aaron, he was like, oh my god,
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you have six days. He's like, let's book a trip.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
To Hawaii six days. As a mom, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
It really was. I couldn't believe it. I'm like, what
am I. I was like, Okay, let's do it. And
he just booked it and we went. After Disneyland, I
took her to Disneyland on her birthday, we went to
Oahu and that was like our first real trip together.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I love getting off but it's so sweet. I love
getting off the plane in Hawaii. You guys, if you
haven't been, because it smells so sweet. It smells like
I forget the name of the flower. The perfume but
has a very distinct like semi sweet smell and it's
usually slightly muggyones.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Maybe that's it.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Oh, it smells so good and I just love the culture.
I love Hawaii. Did you go to the North Shore?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I don't want to everybody, Okay, I think so. I
have a million questions.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Let's go down the list.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
When you're not on camera or you know, you were
running a bar for a very long time. Who is
Tom Schwartz?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Like?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Who are you?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Tom Schwartz is.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Straight out of the Midwest, want to raise in Minnesota,
the land of ten Thousand Lakes. Had a great upbringing
with well balanced, happy parents. Super lucky, I know, not
rubbing it in guys. And I've had a really lovely life.
I think up until Schwartz and Sandy's, which was like
my first real, real like hard life lesson life challenge,
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it almost broke me, like spiritually, mentally, I almost went
broke financially, like I lost so much money. But I
think I think I needed it in a twisted way.
I think it made me into the person I am now.
Just feel like I have so much more.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I mean, you definitely have to grow as a person
when you go through something so tragic or difficult in life.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, I mean I put everything I had into that place,
my whole heart and soul and bankroll into that place,
and then it just slowly sunk.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Like the Titanic. The music was still playing. But uh,
I think I still have more good memories than bad.
That's revisionist history, maybe it is. Did you ever come
to Shorts and Sandys? I did?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
At the end, Aaron and I went with Brittany. I
guess you guys were airing a Vanderpump episode and we
went and supported and I actually had a great time.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Thank you, Michelle. It was such an underrated spot. I
can say that objectively. I know I'm close to it,
but like, objectively it was such a cool spot, Like
you could tell it was inspired. And sometimes people would
look at the pictures online of the decor and like,
it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Look great in the day, but at night, that's when
it really shined.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, and it was a good size. I loved everything
about it.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Just very expensive.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I mean, it's really hard to open up a restaurant
or bar. What would you recommend to anybody?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Don't do it. Don't open a bar in California if
you're going to do it.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Make sure you're properly rolled financially, or maybe you have backers,
and just find a really good deal on your lease.
Honestly own the I know this is not realistic for everyone,
but if you can own your property and lease it
out to yourself, that's the dream. You own the building,
lease it to yourself. And you guys, don't pull love
(19:37):
of God, don't put your name on the side unless
you want to be there your every waking moment.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And you know some people like like Craigs. You have
you ever been to Craigs?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yes, I love Craigs, And Craig's always in there, and
he's such a great host. Like it's not the same
when he's not even there, but like, that's his baby.
I think he has other restaurants too. I know he's
got all kinds of businesses, but that's his baby. He's
always there. I don't want to be that. I don't
want to eat, sleep, breathe a bar our restaurant ever again,
like I did before, and I wasn't even running it,
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I wasn't managing it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I was just a host and an investor.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
But do you think that's what it came down to?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
There?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Were so many things that went wrong along the way.
It was a comedy of errors. A lot of good
things happened too, but yeah, I just I don't know.
I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Maybe it was timing.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Maybe no, I know what happened.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
It was Yeah, it was a comedy of airs, and
we learned some very expensive lessons in life, time and money.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
When we first started it, I was like, I had
a nice bankroll, I did a cash out REFI I
got us like sub three percent. I felt like I
was rolling in dough. And all of a sudden, it
was just like we were running out of money and
time and it was scary, you know, when your name's
on that lease and there's no easy way out of it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You guys, I don't want this to be a sad song.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Would you do it again?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Okay, here's the thing. If someone would would have me
on as like, uh, well, I don't I don't know
enough about the business, even though I worked in it
my whole life to be a consultant, you know what
I mean. I've never ran a restaurant, but.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I would love to help with like the early stages
the design process. I've curated a few cocktail men news.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I love doing that. We made good cocktails.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I know I get a bad rap because everyone saw
me have a meltdown my first night at Pump.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I don't know if you ever watched VPR, but I
was having it. Please tell me I'm fortunate. Do you
get anxiety at all?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Now? I do, yes, I know the feeling very well.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Okay, I totally get that show inducing our job induced anxiety.
I don't really I'm fortunate enough to not really get
it anymore. I don't want to jinx myself.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
But back in the day, I would get bouts, like
maybe twice a year.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I would have a like a panic attack, and I
had one when I was at Pump and I was
also coming to the realization that I did not want
to work there, and it was opening night and I
think people rushed in. I didn't know how to ring
things in and I had a meltdown and I just
like I remember the manager was like, dude, you can't
leave us right now, and I totally understood that, but
(22:09):
I was like, I need ten minutes, and he goes,
bro if you leave, don't come back, and I just
never went back.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
And I feel I stand by that decision. Really, I
felt so good. I went into the garage that's down
on melrose By.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
So you didn't make any cocktails?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
No, I mean I no, no I did, But I
went down in that garage and I just like screamed.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I felt so good. Remember that scene in Jerem Maguire
when he's in his car and free.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I love that scene.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I love Jerrem Maguire.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, I recently saw it with Aaron. I've never seen
like old or nineties movies, and so that's kind of
our new thing.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
That's so fun. I love that your game to go
back and watch them.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I really liked what's.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Your favorite one? Just off the top of your head.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Oh, we just watched one. What is Demi Moore? What
was that called? Ghost? I had never seen ghosts before.
I cried, And I love that theme song so much.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I'm this makes me so happy for you. You just experienced
ghosts for the first time.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, so now I listen to the theme song while
I'm driving.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
That's amazing. Yeah. Have you seen like classics like Back
to the Future Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I have, but it's been so long I would I
feel like if I watched it again, it would be
like seeing it for the first time.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I feel like I need to have at least one
recommend me.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, please send me a list. Oh I haven't seen
that one.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
It's a classic. You gotta watch Trainspotting later. Okay, anyways,
you guys, stick with us. I'm talking about movies.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I will. What's something creative you've always wanted to try
but you haven't yet?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
WHOA, Well, I've kind of tried it. I dabble, but like,
there's part of.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Me I don't know if I've ever said this publicly
that wants to be an artist? Will I ever pursue
painting as a career? Do I have any talent? Not really?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
But you know what the definition of of an artist is. Hey, hey,
I could do that. Yeah, but you didn't. Like it's
just you got to start. And I love painting.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You guys kind of like show me the receipts.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You should come pay with Isabella and I. That's all
she wants to do.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You should have done a sip and paint for this episode.
Oh my god, can do that my podcast?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay? Oh yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I've always wanted My mom used to be a classical
pianist and she did it for like twenty years, and
I've always wanted to do that. I tried a little
bit during COVID, but I had Isabella. I was like,
you know, new mom, I couldn't do it. But that's
always been like I want to go to a room
and there's a piano and just like play an amazing song.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
It's so suave to me when like someone, when you
meet someone you don't know that they're musically inclined, and
they see a piano, a grand a beautiful grand piano,
they sit down and just start tickling the ivory.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I'm like, it's kind of like, I don't know if
sexy is the word.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
It's very impressive to me. It's kind of like James
Bond esque. I don't know, Yeah, it's very charming. I'm
not musically inclined, but I I did. During the pandemic.
I became a DJ, a bedroom DJ, and I love DJing,
but like, I just are you good at it?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I'm okay.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I was getting to the point where I actually was
like confident enough to DJ at Tom tom My DJ
name was DJ. I'm sorry because I apologize in advance
for my transitions at least no. I mean, I still
like it. I have, I have like three decks, but
I just I don't know. I see, I see my
boys out there and they're crushing and they make a
lot of money.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
But like you guys are gone every weekend.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I don't want to be a DJ. I mean, you're
up all night, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
All night? Like dude, you're something. A lot of times
your set doesn't start till one or two am. Like,
I think I would be a great daytime pool DJ.
You know, I got the eyser on.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
The sunglasses, playing a little like little like little nineties
hip hop, little yacht rock, some soul, you know, or
like I actually like. I like like, I like houseb
I like jungle.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I love music, I digress. I love you.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I do know some people don't.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It's so funny you say that, because I know it
sounds like the most stock statement ever. Everyone not everyone
loves music. I don't want to name names. I can
think of a few people.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I can too.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I don't really like music.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
What or when they're in the car and it's just silent,
I'm like, how do you not turn on music?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
The only time I know? I'm down?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Bad when I drive like an hour in traffic and
I have no music on, I'm just in here stressing.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Have you been there?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I can't do that. I have to listen to music.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
It's not all times I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I don't realize it's to the end of the trip
and I'm like, dude, i just drove an hour and
I've been in here, and I'll put on some music immediately.
Like on the way here, I was jamming out because
I'm in a really good mood today and I've got
everything done I need to get done, and I have
no obligations.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Tonight.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I can go to bed at five six pm, go
to the movies, go to Tom Tom.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You're like me. I had Isabella for the past week
because Jesse was in New York, and I'm like, oh,
I just dropped her off at school and i have
the weekend to myself, so I'm super excited. I'm going
out with Brittany tonight.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I don't like.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Another reason I've been doing my podcast is i felt
myself turning into a bit of a hermit. I'm like,
I don't like talking anymore. I was like, I don't
want to be that guy. I'm too young to be
a hermit. And also it's like it's good training for
my brain. I just I don't This is a weird
thing to try to express. I don't have access to
all of my memories and all of my brain power
(27:33):
on a regular basis. I'm always so impressed with people
who do shows and podcasts and can recall stories from
their childhood or like just like talk about a moment
and just paint the picture vividly.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I can do that.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Occasionally, but sometimes my mind just goes blank and I'm like,
I completely blank out.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
It could last hours or a whole day.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And I actually have a bad memory. Sometimes I have
to think about it, and it's kind of surprising. I'm like,
why don't I remember that that happened ten years ago?
Exactly what happened?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Is it? Do you think it's genetic?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
No, because my mom had a really good memory.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I think I did a lot of ecstasy when I
was young. I ks to love ecstasy.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
So do you see I'm going to change this topic.
Do you see yourself? Like, what do you see yourself
doing in a year? Or do you know do you
want to get married again?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Oh my god, I was about to walk out. I
thought you were going to hit me with a where
do you see yourself in five years? No, Mike, try, No,
that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Do you think you'll ever get married? Do you want
to love? I know you love love.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I love I loved getting married, And I'm a huge
advocate for marriage, and I'm a huge advocate for divorce.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I really am. I now I know it's so am.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I yeah, I just because I've I've bared witness to
so many unhappy relationships that lasted way longer than they
should have and they become toxic, combative, contentious, whatever, And
I'm just like you guys, just get divorced. I don't
think it's a sad thing. We get divorce parties in
Tom Tom all the time. But yes, I think I
(29:11):
have one more marriage in me, and if that doesn't
work out, then I'll just you know what I.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Think I'm gonna. I want to maybe like propose and
stay in the fiance. Remember being a fiance? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I like that stage.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
It's so sexy.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, You're like, this is my fiance and you introduce
your partner like that feels.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Cool, I agree, better than being called a girlfriend. Yeah,
you make it seem like your divorce is really easy.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
With Katie, it was really sad.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I don't want to I don't wanna like minimize that.
It was really sad because we still love I mean,
we still have a certain type of love for each other,
you know what I mean, we respect each other. But
it was really really sad. We had our dream house
sub three percent. You know things, you're an agent, you
know how it is a man and just I was
(30:00):
just like it was in perfect location. I was so happy.
But you know, our relationship had become kind of stale.
We didn't have a big.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Fight or a blow up or or an affair, and
it just kind of fizzled out.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
And yeah, it was sad, but no, but in terms
of like, you know, we got a mediator. I think
it was a thousand bucks and then we were good.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
That's amazing. Sorry, no, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, I don't know where you guys are right now.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, we had a mediator that was pointless for us.
There was no agreements on anything, and it was just
a waste of time and I was trying my best.
So finally I hired a lawyer and we're still in
that process. I'm sorry, it's okay. It seems like maybe
it's going to happen in the next few months if
he continues moving forward. So we'll see, but I think
(30:49):
actually there is now a possibility that it can happen.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I don't want to cross any boundaries, but it seems
from his end that things aren't going in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Well, he always likes to appear. Yeah, he decided that
we're cool, and I'm like, when did that happen? Like
he's telling everybody like, we're good, we're cool, and I'm like,
what did I miss something? Yeah? Yeah, so that's a
little irritating. But we're not on at each other's throat
(31:19):
right now. You know, we don't really have to talk
everything said. I drop her off, he picks her up, Like,
we don't even really have to see each other right now.
So I think that's nice to have that space apart.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I heard a little something about your brother was sick.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I don't know if you know about my mom what happened.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I've heard vaguely, but I don't know any details. My
brother's doing great. He just moved to LA he's staying
with me.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh, no way.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, I'm sort of helping facilitate his transition into la
he's staying with me.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Is he your older brother, he's my younger brother.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
He's a triplet high bird if you're listening.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
But he didn't, he didn't have yet.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It'll ever transplant. It was insane. Oh, it was the
most insane thing.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I never I've never I never witnessed true addiction. Not
to undermine people who have problems with drugs and alcohol,
but I never witnessed someone being actually physiologically dependent on it,
where you if you don't have it, you can't go
out through you can't go through your day, and you
could die. You could have a seizure if you don't drink.
And I didn't even know that was a thing. I
(32:24):
thought maybe only with heroin and stuff like that, but
I didn't know with alcohol before I saw what happened
to my brother that, yeah, it's not like it's not
like you go out and you binge drink too often.
That's a problem in itself, But like, if he didn't
wake up and drink, he would start shaking and you
could have seizures. I would have to get him alcohol
until he would get treatment, you know, because otherwise he
could die. This all happened at once. It was insane.
(32:47):
My dad was in the hospital. Then my brother got
testicular cancer. Shout out to Brandau, he's thriving. Now it's cleared.
And then Bert was, yeah looking it was in the hospital, dying,
looking for a liver, and by grace of God or
miracle or whatever you believe in, it's just shout out
to doctor Baber. He was the person because he was
Bert was supposed to go to hospice and just they're like,
(33:08):
we want him to go there and just sort of
enjoy whatever he has left, whatever life he has left
in him, you know. And it was so sad and
I was like, hell no, not going to hospice. Yeah,
we had to fight for it, and we had to fight.
We fought, and we just like he had this really
awesome doctor, like a guardian angel, doctor Baber, who believed
in him because he was like they said he had
like six months to live. He had full john ice.
(33:30):
He was like, look like a school bus. He's so
I don't know what other he was like. He was
straight yellow. Yeah, and they said he had like six
months to live. But yeah, a long story short, Yeah,
he's he's alive. And well, I just like, I just
got him in and out today.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
He was so stoked, amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, he's thriving. He's got like a new glow.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Did that affect you back then?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, it was like all that happened kind of at
the same time while Schwartz and Sandy started failing too.
So I'm like, I'm gonna lose my entire invents, Like
I just and I felt like I would try to
go home and view with my family so much and
then but I'm like, I got to get back. The
bar needs me, and I would just be back and forth,
back and forth.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I was manic. People who are close to me know
that I was losing my mind.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
What's the same when it rains, it pours.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It was pouring.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
It was a monsoon.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I know what that's like.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. So how's what's going on?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Well, yeah, I mean, I'm I've been a little open
about it. My mom had cancer. While basically it happened
like two years ago when we found out instantly right
before the summer of doing the first season, and then
she was in chemo this last year a year ago,
(34:46):
I guess, and then she actually passed in November. Uh,
she was just when she when we found out, she
was already stage four and it was already all over.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
So it was a very difficult time for me last
because I was dealing with two very tragic things.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
That's right, I did it, By the way, I feel
like an idiot.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
No, it's okay, it's okay. I actually wanted to talk
to you about it because I had heard about your brother,
but I didn't know if he was okay. And that
actually makes me very happy to hear.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Thank you and I'm so sorry. Yeah, I can't imagine.
There's no words, there is just you just experience it. You.
But you seem to be holding up pretty pretty damn well.
You have a good support system.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I do, and I have a lot of great friends.
You have a brother and sister.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
You've got a lot of people that love you.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah. The girls are saying nothing but the sweetest things
about you. Well most of.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Them, yeah, not all of them, most of them. But
like my girls, the ones that I'm really close with,
they are my best friends and they always check on me,
and I'm very thankful to have to have them.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
That's one thing like thinking back on like VPR and stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
It's a show, but those are real these just like
on your show, those are your real friends. And when
stuff like that happens like real life, like everyone said,
acide their differences and comes together.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, and I'm sure with respect and deference and love.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
And I actually was surprised by all the love that
I got and like I never expected, you know, Sena
to bring me food and Janet to go to the
funeral in San Diego and Brittany and just like you
just really see who's there for you. And that's why
I love them even more.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, it's crazy that It's just it happens to all
of us.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
It's inevitable, and it sounds like an idiotic thing to say,
but it's just yeah, it sounds, it feels so it's
so stark. But at the same time, I've got to
embrace our impermanence.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Right, That's what makes life great. Exactly, would you want
to live forever?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
No, I'm good on that. Immortality sounds awful. Yeah, I
want to.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Maybe I want a good life.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I want to.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I'm thinking like universe, I'm thinking like, let's just say
ninety and I might.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I might check out.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I agree I'm gonna I don't think I want to
hit a hundred, and.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I am going to fall apart once I'm like eighty
nine or ninety. I'm gonna drink smoke. I'm gonna be
saying no, not like in a toxic, harmful way, but
I'm just gonna let loose. I'm gonna be like the
dude from The Big Lebowski, and I'm gonna make sure
i'm spoil my grandkids if I'm lucky enough to have
my kids, my grandkids whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I really see that for you, Like I'm manifesting you
meeting somebody?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
How are you meeting people these days?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
I just bump into people. I'm just That's one where
I've always been really lucky in life. Like the last
person I was chilling with I just bumped into in
a barn ended up becoming my best friend.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
You just bumped into that.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
We did. We bumped into each other and there just came.
I really like fell in love or.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I just start you just start flirting.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
And I mean, I mean, I'm pretty passive. I gotta
be honest.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I know it's usually the girl who makes the first
move that sounds pathetic. It's not that I don't have
confidence or moxie or whatever, so you know, passive when
it comes to the initial relationships.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, so you won't make the first move.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I will, I will and I have and uh yeah, god,
I squirming over here.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Wait now, I want to know what it would be
your ideal first date?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
First date?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, like ideal, I'd like to it's pretty stock, but
maybe get a drink at one of our places, just
a drink, nothing crazy, and then we go to a
really cool restaurant, maybe somewhere in Silver Lake or West Hollywood,
and uh yeah, eat some good food, have a drink
or two, and just and then just see where the
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night takes us. I like to start with dinner and
then see how we feel and just improvise from there.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I mean, that's kind of boring.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I love I never get sick of that same here.
I love it too. I still like Erin and I
still do date nights. We make sure that we make
it a point like, oh we haven't gone out, like
let's go do something.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
My favorite thing to do is when I'm with someone
I really dig, is just to go hang out at
their place, order food, and watch movies. Of course, I
love traveling carbe DM. I love all that shit.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Wait, I'm getting I'm getting self conscious? Am I being monotone?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Oh it's me. Oh my god, it's contagious. Hi, Michelle,
this has been really fun so far. Thank you for
having me on your podcast.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
By the way, you were you said you were here
not long ago.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
With with uh Sandoval and then to Teas in a
pod said.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Out to the gang, yeah, I heard some comments they
were making about me recently.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
What did they say? What did they say? Words can't
hurt you.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
She said that I'm not human and that I'm a
I And I don't even remember what they were saying,
but like everything they were saying, I was like, oh
my god, can you at least meet me for a
second before you have all of these opinions about me
like you have you've never met me in person for
one second?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:49):
And I actually I have never responded to any comments
like ever, I never do. I'll if I read it,
I don't like it, like I'll put my phone away.
But I was actually really irrit I'm like, you're two
women talking shit about me. You don't know me. And
so it was the first time that I actually wrote
a comment, and I responded.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Dm or on the comment. On the comment, what did
you say?
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I said, like, thanks very much, real girls, girl, how
about like I am a human being.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
We love to see women supporting women, and they always do.
But also, you know, at least.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Some women I know really like to talk behind closed
doors respectfully.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
But no, I know, I know it hurts, but I
guarantee if you met them, they're lovely. By the way,
they'd give you a huggy by Darling. I'm sorry, it's
just like it comes out of us when we're podcasting,
not to make excuses for people being nasty or toxic
because it hurts.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, I just feel like I wouldn't do that, but
I have to learn that not everybody would do what
I would do. I wouldn't talk negatively about somebody who
I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
I love letting people vent to me. Now I've gotten
so much better. I love when people come to me
and talk shit, even if it's about other people, because
I'm always like, you know, give me a second, I
just need to vent and talk some shit. Is that okay?
I'm like, yeah, let loose and at the end almost
always are like, you know, and I still think this
person's a good person.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
They have a good heart. I just needed to get
that out.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Sometimes it just feels good to have a good talking session,
just maybe not on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, keep it to yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
It gets the clicks, but it's at what cost. There's
a human cost, right.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, of course that was hurt bowl and that was
the really mean thing to say about me, are you ai?
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, Michelle's going.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Out out just Brittany and I. We go to my
favorite restaurant in West Hollywood and it's a really big
deal when the girls come my way.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
You want to plug it? Favorite spot?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Oh yeah, Cassa Madera, Cassa Madera at the Mandrin we
have a lot by the way.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I think the audience knows this, but like that's like
if there's ever a vander Pump Rules tour the madre
On Skybar sit absolutely.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I had insane nights there.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Insane not like not even I'm not talking like debaucherous
or like drug related, just like insane things I've witnessed
at the Mangon.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Same here. When I was living in San Diego before
I moved to LA and it was like twenty thirteen
and I was thinking about moving to La. So I
remember staying at the Mandrin and just like, I'm like,
is this La on a Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (42:27):
That's like in my mind when I first went there
on a Wednesday? Or have we had the same story?
I went and I was like, I felt like I
was in an episode.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Of Entourage, Yes, which is my favorite show, by.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
The way, It's one of the there's so many things
inspired me to move out here inside the actor's studio,
but low key Entourage. I was always living vicariously through
Vinnie Instant Chase Yep. But anyways, No, the first time
I went to the Mangion, oh my god, I was like,
this is not real.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
This is Ai Like it just looked like it was.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
It was everything I imagine La would be like quint essential,
like that backdrop looking looking south out of the city.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
It's so pretty.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
So Cosa Madera is not like that. It's just a restaurant.
But I just like the vibe they have, like musicians
playing and good music and music vibe.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, oh, I've never seen I've never been there when
there's live music.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, there's a guy that plays I don't know what instrument.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Tom Sandebal's first job was at the Mandren. Really always,
I always think of Tom when I when I think
of Skybar. His first job was at Skybar, a seat attendant.
Back when they were like popping bottles. I don't know
if they still do that, like bottle service and stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Do they?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I don't think so they do. That's past my time.
I'm like an old lady.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
I'm not popping bottles. Maybe a couple of times a year.
It's okay in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
I would do it in Vegas. Yeah, that's why I
don't like.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
To go to Vegas popping bottles on the couch. Now,
now we're talking maybe not bottles plural bottle.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
I'm really not a drinker anymore. I do like my
skinny Marguerite. I heard you make the best ones, and
I have not had one who told you that. I've
heard a Birdie told me.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I did.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
All right, you guys, shout out to Patron, my favorite
tequila ever. I've worked with them, but I also just
love it. But whatever your favorite tequila is, you got
it fresh as best. You gotta use fresh lime juice,
of course, fresh lime juice, maybe like point twenty five ounces,
just a kiss of a gave, like I know it's
still skinny, just a kiss of it to round it out.
A little bit of salt, a pinch or a bunch
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a pinch of salt in the drink, just a little bit.
You can use a saline solution if you're fancy, or
just a little pinch of salt.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
And this is what makes it. Just like one or
two squeezes of fresh orange.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Oh, I'll do that.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
That's so good, Okay.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
I always tell them like tonight, a skinnyest skinny matarita
with a little two orange slices, and I have.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
To have a tahine or salt rim.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Oh heck yeah, yeah, I'm salivating.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Because I'm like that meme. I'm somebody's telling me a
really like intense crazy story and I'm just like with
my margarita king the rim the whole time. I'm like,
tell me more.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yes, well, cool, I think I think we have similar paths. Tonight. Yeah,
I won't be there, but I.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Seek food in my future skinny marks.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
All right.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
If I'm chilling with you, Michelle likewise chatting all
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Right, cool, peyton sip, We're gonna payt and zip
Right, Welcome back everyone. I am so excited and happy
because I have an og vander Pump friend with me today.
Hi Tom, Tom.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Shorts, lovely to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm so happy you're doing the damn thing. I can't
believe it.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I know it's like some I overthought it. I could
have started my podcast like years ago. I had this
concept and I loved it.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
That's that's my first question, because congratulations.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh thanks you too.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
It's called Detox Retalks Free Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm trying to level up spiritually, physically, emotionally.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
What made you want to finally do it?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It was for it to be a traveling show.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And I'm like, just making a show, pitching a show
and trying to bring it to fruition. Oh my god,
there's so much red tape. It could take years. And
I'm like, I'll just start a podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Like everyone else.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
No, it's hard to do. It's honestly, even though everyone
has one, it's really hard to do.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It's like a meme. It's been memified at this point.
We should start a podcast, Michelle. Yeah, this is our
spinoff podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So you had your first guest, which was Katie.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
It was Katie.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I actually want to listen to it because yes, it's
going to be so good.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
We did a mindful micro dose. I've done shrooms so
many times, and I've you know, just like eyeball the
micro dose here and there. But you know, it's one
tenth to one twentieth of your usual dose, which I
think is three grams. Okay, I already forget Oh my god,
I got to brush up. But it was fun to
sit down, have a glass of wine and just riff.
You know, we see each other a good amount because
we have shared custody of the dogs, which is.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Rare because so do we I don't know if you
know that. Do you share Malibu? H? How is that
like with you guys? You guys have like a certain
drop off.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
This is nice, Michelle, because I feel like I only
we've see each other and we exchanged niceties, and I
feel like the only thing I really know about you
is what I've seen on TV or what I've heard
through the grapevine. Not in a salacious way, but this
is nice to finally sit down and shoot the.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I know anyways, and I probably have seen you for
like what at least five ten years. I don't even
know five years and we always say hi to each other,
and we're really nice to each other, but we never
really like had lunch together, like sat down and talk.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
This is nice. Yeah, sorry, I forgot what you asked me.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
About the dog situation because I don't know if that
happens often, because we did it because of Isabella. She
loves Malibu and always wants to be with Malibu. Yeah,
so we just made sure like whoever, whoever has Isabella,
then that's where Malibu goes.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I love that and I respect that. I know you're
going through it right now. We're not going to get
into that, but I respect that you guys are cordial
when it comes to your baby and the dog. And
you know, I've seen it go the other way like
vicious custody battles over well kids obviously.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
But dogs too.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I didn't know fishous falling out over puppies. I'm keeping
the dog scram.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah I could. I mean, I technically Malibu was mine.
I got her before I got her in twenty fourteen,
before I even knew Jesse. But it just made sense
for Isabella to be with Malibu.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
That makes me happy.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So what is it? Is it a fifty to fifty custody.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
No, it used to be, and we thought it was
a little much for the dogs every week taking him
back and forth, and I was always pretty much the
primary caretaker.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
We both love them equally.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Katie's a great mom, but she decided to be best
and we decided it would be best if they just
stay with me, and then Katie can come see them
whenever she wants, and when I leave town I have
a gig or I want to travel, she'll watch them,
snuggle up with them.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But we have a good thing going.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, how long has it been since you guys got divorced?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
We got divorced in twenty twenty two, February twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It was a wow. I thought it was longer than that.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
No, it was, yeah, No, it's I mean, listen, we're
totally reconciled and we're cool.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Not to rub it in your face.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
No, I mean that's the goal. That's always going to
be the goal.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You're going to get there, right.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I don't think it depends on me, but yeah, I hope.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So, but how you hold up?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I'm actually doing okay this the everything is happening all like,
it's all happening right now. It's very interesting the Instagram
messages that get in the DMS, and like, there's a
lot of positive, but there's also a lot of negative,
and some of it is really hurtful or like just
(04:29):
digging into like how I speak or what I look like,
or it's just it's a lot and I never even
like thought of it. I was saying it to Aaron
last night. I was like, wait, do I speak funny?
Because people keep saying that I have this accent and
I'm kind of monotone, and I'm like, that's just how
I speak. I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I've seen this one on the internet. You're not monotonous.
You have a lovely cadence and inflection in your voice. Yeah,
but also, well you're a veteran now season two but
has by the way, it'll make you neurotic if you
dive too deep into the comments. Are there any recent
ones that really broke you not?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I mean I got a lot about the voice thing,
and I kind of laughed at it and I was
like I was asking him and he's like, yeah, you
have an accent. I'm like, obviously I do. I blame
part of it because my mom is Mexican, my dad's Persian,
and I just heard so many languages, like my grandparents
spoke Turkish to me. Like there was just so much
and I just somehow grew up with this accent.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Your accent's lovely. It's a melting pot of an accent.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, right, I think so.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
The dms.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Oh yeah, Like do you do you have like a
morbid curiosity?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Do you have to look or do you do you
self censor? Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It depends if I'm really busy and if I have Isabella,
if I'm working, I won't look at any of them.
But there are moments like if I don't have her
on the weekend and I have nothing going on, then
I'll just kind of look quickly show the heck. Yeah.
But it's like there's nothing in the middle. It's just
super like I'm so proud of you, you're amazing, your
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story is helping others. And then like the complete opposite,
just like name calling me, just things I've never really
heard about myself. I'm like, wow, some people really hate me.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, I know. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
There's like they see snippets of your life and they
extrapolate and they sort of reduce you to your worst moment.
But just know, if it's any comfort after being on
TV for like eleven years and being in the bars
every night, people come to me and they're like, we
love you. You know that, right, I talk shit online,
but now that I'm here with you, you're lovely and
I love you and you've brought so much joy into
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our life.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Blah blah blah. Just like they're always so nice face
to face, and.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, that makes me happy to hear.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I love killing them with kindness, of course. And a
lot of people are just feeling a little adrift at
sea in life. Maybe they're lost, or they're feeling not
especially fulfilled at the moment, and you know, they go
online and you know.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
There's few a little hate.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I don't recommend it, but I understand it. And yeah,
if you if you meet that hate with kindness, they're always.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh my god, oh my god. I didn't think you'd
see this. I'm so sorry. I love you. I love
the show. You're cool.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
So how did you fine dealing? Going back to like
you were on vander Pump for how many years?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
We did? We did eleven Lovely Twisted seasons?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Wow, so eleven seasons, and I'm sure you had good
seasons and bad seasons. How did you navigate when you
had a bad season? Like, what did you do?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I mean, listen, I back in the day.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I'm not proud to say it, but I think I
leaned into my vices.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You know, I sipped the scissor.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Not like in a problematic way, but that and I
would make sure to go reconnect with my friends outside
of the show and my family because I always have.
I've always had a really good support system. I'm lucky
to have great parents, great friends, so they would always
give me a reality check, you know what I mean.
But uh, I think I've gotten a lot better at
(08:08):
taking criticism. Listen, as long as you're funny, you're gonna
be mean, be funny. I like being roasted.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You know one thing that like I don't love is
watching myself on TV.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I used to love myself till I started watching myself
on TV. Really, I mean, I still love myself. Tom,
I love you, but I just I'm like, I look gangly.
I'm not smooth.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
In my mind.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I'm a little smoother than I am on TV and
a little funnier and a little better looking. I see
myself and I'm like, oh, god man, you're goon, gangly goon.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
We're all hard on ourselves. I mean I say the
same thing when I look at myself, I'm like, is
that what it's like? Or is that why am I
doing that in that moment? Like that's so weird.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I know it's hard. It's hard. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I like, I just recently watched my wedding, like two
years ago or something. I never watched it, but I
would always just kind of fast forward through my parts.
And I'm not even trying to be mister humble over here,
but I just don't like watching myself.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Wait, I want to go back to you watching your wedding.
How did that make you feel?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I mean it was like, I know, spoiler alert, it
doesn't work out in the end, we got divorced. But
it's probably my favorite moment ever on the show, just
because we had such a great group of people. It
was a destination wedding up in Gregel. It's like beautiful
Northwest California.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Up by Tahoe. Have you been up by Tahoe?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I haven't, but I saw the pictures and everything Katie
looked gorgeous, and the whole venue looked amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, thank you. It was. Yeah, it was beautiful. It
was magical. I had so many great people there.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And yeah, then, but I don't want to I don't
want to sound weird romanticizing my wedding. But it was awesome.
I think even Katie would say the same thing. Our
wedding was so fun.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I think that's positive. I think that's good.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It was and then we went home. We kicked it
for a few days, and then we were just off
to Bora Bora.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I was like, yeah, but yeah, you're also in like
your twenties.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I was, well, I was pushing thirty in the forty.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Two, okay, kind of old.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No, you're not.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I feel really good though. I feel like I'm in
close to being in the best shape of my life.
I might not look it, but I feel it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I think I just feel good right now. I feel
kind of confident.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I actually feel the same way about myself. I'm like,
I'm thirty six, I have a five year old, and
I feel better than ever.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
You're glowing right now. You gotta aura going, Michelle. Yeah,
I'm happy to see you happy right now, because I
know you're going through it.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And I am, but I have I'm in a great relationship. Yes,
really really yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, shout out to Aaron. I haven't really got to
bond or connect with Aaron, but he seems lovely. Yeah,
he's got to kill a wat smile and he's always Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
He's a really good, easy going I feel like you
guys would get along really well because you both are
easy and fun.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, I'm easy like a Sunday morning. I am pretty,
I'm pretty chill.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So you were dating somebody, but you guys broke up.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, yeah, we were never formally dating. But no, she's amazing,
one of the great loves of my life. Honestly, we're
still really good friends. But we were never really formally dating.
And you, guys, it's not a commitment thing.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's about respecting someone's boundaries. And but yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Technically, I mean, honestly, I prefer not. I kind of
want to respect her privacy. Even though we didn't say
her name. She's a very private person, so I don't
want to like violate her to see otherwise I'd love
to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Are you dating now?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Do you want to technically I'm single, but I'm not
advertising in and I'm not pursuing that.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Okay, so I'm just laying low. I'm falling in love
with myself all over again.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I love that. I think that everybody should before getting
into a relationship.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
We're so hard on ourselves.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I think back to the past, like eleven years, I
was really really hard on myself. Maybe at times not
hard enough, and some of my sloppy eras, Yeah, I
had some sloppy eras, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I think me and myself we got a good thing
going now.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I feel like I matured at a very young age.
And then you know, obviously I filed for divorce and
I immediately kind of started dating because I had felt
even though I was married, I had felt alone for
so long that like I was ready to be with somebody,
Like I didn't want to date, I didn't want to
be single, like I wanted to be in a happy
(12:35):
relationship with somebody.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I totally get that. I'm a serial monogamist.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I love I love love even when I'm not looking
for it, it finds me. I love, I still love you,
but I just I'm not codependent at all. I'm very
happy being on my own, but I prefer to be
in relationships great at dating. And I know it's like
sometimes people see it from outside and it looks kind
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of jarring when you get out of a marriage or
something and you start dating immediately again, which Katie did,
And I mean it hurt my feelings a little bit,
but I totally understood it because it's not like it's
not like an abrupt breakup. There's maybe a year or
years that lead up to that moment, that decision, and
it's not an easy one. So you know, I guess
from the outside looking game, when you see someone fresh
(13:23):
out of a divorce's dating again, it looks like, wow,
they moved on quick.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, because I get criticized for that often.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, yeah, I've seen some of that.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, And it's not the case. It's just like it
had been so long that I missed a lot of
things in a relationship that I'm like, that's what I want,
and I just happened to meet such a great or no,
such a great person and it just worked.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Does he do the podcast with you?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
We've done a couple Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, how because it's weird. You guys clearly have great
chemistry and you dig each other. I saw you on
vacation and why looks so fun? I love Hawaii. We
could do a whole episode about Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Oh, let's go back. I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But sometimes you might have the most natural, charismatic, effortless
energy with someone, but you get into a room with
a mic and cameras, it's like, hey, you look nice today.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So that was him the first like five minutes, because
he had never done a podcast ever, and I had
only done a few, so it was like brand new
to us. And I looked at him, I'm like, just
be yourself, that's.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
All you have to do.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, I mean podcasts one because I like to just
like overthink it and I want to add all these
crazy like sound effects and stuff like that. They're like,
people just want to hear you riff in a room,
like they want to be a fly on the wall
and just hear you shooting the shit.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, we're shooting the shit right now.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I'm still getting used to it, but absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
But yeah, how was your trip to Hawaii?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It was good. He actually has a best friend that
he grew up that lives over there, so we got
to spend some time with him and his fiance and
then we stayed at a hotel, and so it was
kind of like the best of both worlds, Like we
got to be with a local and go to the
local restaurants and places that normally, like the tourists wouldn't
go to. And then we got to do like vacation hotel,
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you know, poolside.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
What island did you stay on?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
We went to a Wahoo at Turtle Bay.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Oh, Turtle Bay is the best, forget about it. I've
never stayed there. The last time I went, we were
thinking about going last second and I think it was
booked out.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So we ended up going.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
To the south west part of Wahu. We stayed at
the Four Seasons, not to flex on you guys, and.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
It was it looks amazing. I want to go there
next fabulous.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
And when I have kids, I want to go to
the Disney resort. You should take Isabella next time you
go to Hawaii. Yeah, take her to the resort next
to the Four Seasons. It's a Disney resort. If I
was a kid, I'm an adult and I want to
go there.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Even at the Four Seasons, I'm looking over like, whoa,
they look like they're having fun over there.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh, I want to do that so gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Google it. After this, you got to take Isabella.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It worked out perfectly. I had I haven't taken a
vacation in years, and I had Isabella for her birthday
this year. And then Jesse said, my parents want to
come from Boston. They rarely come, so they want to
spend you know, six days with Isabella. Can I keep
her for six days and then you can keep her
the following six days? And I said sure. And as
soon as I told Aaron, he was like, oh my god,
(16:15):
you have six days. He's like, let's book a trip.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
To Hawaii six days. As a mom, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
It really was. I couldn't believe it. I'm like, what
am I. I was like, Okay, let's do it. And
he just booked it and we went. After Disneyland, I
took her to Disneyland on her birthday, we went to
Oahu and that was like our first real trip together.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I love getting off but it's so sweet. I love
getting off the plane in Hawaii. You guys, if you
haven't been, because it smells so sweet. It smells like
I forget the name of the flower. The perfume but
has a very distinct like semi sweet smell and it's
usually slightly muggyones.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Maybe that's it.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Oh, it smells so good and I just love the culture.
I love Hawaii. Did you go to the North Shore?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I don't want to everybody, Okay, I think so. I
have a million questions.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Let's go down the list.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
When you're not on camera or you know, you were
running a bar for a very long time. Who is
Tom Schwartz?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Like?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Who are you?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Tom Schwartz is.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Straight out of the Midwest, want to raise in Minnesota,
the land of ten Thousand Lakes. Had a great upbringing
with well balanced, happy parents. Super lucky, I know, not
rubbing it in guys. And I've had a really lovely life.
I think up until Schwartz and Sandy's, which was like
my first real, real like hard life lesson life challenge,
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it almost broke me, like spiritually, mentally, I almost went
broke financially, like I lost so much money. But I
think I think I needed it in a twisted way.
I think it made me into the person I am now.
Just feel like I have so much more.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I mean, you definitely have to grow as a person
when you go through something so tragic or difficult in life.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, I mean I put everything I had into that place,
my whole heart and soul and bankroll into that place,
and then it just slowly sunk.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Like the Titanic. The music was still playing. But uh,
I think I still have more good memories than bad.
That's revisionist history, maybe it is. Did you ever come
to Shorts and Sandys? I did?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
At the end, Aaron and I went with Brittany. I
guess you guys were airing a Vanderpump episode and we
went and supported and I actually had a great time.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Thank you, Michelle. It was such an underrated spot. I
can say that objectively. I know I'm close to it,
but like, objectively it was such a cool spot, Like
you could tell it was inspired. And sometimes people would
look at the pictures online of the decor and like,
it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Look great in the day, but at night, that's when
it really shined.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, and it was a good size. I loved everything
about it.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Just very expensive.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I mean, it's really hard to open up a restaurant
or bar. What would you recommend to anybody?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Don't do it. Don't open a bar in California if
you're going to do it.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Make sure you're properly rolled financially, or maybe you have backers,
and just find a really good deal on your lease.
Honestly own the I know this is not realistic for everyone,
but if you can own your property and lease it
out to yourself, that's the dream. You own the building,
lease it to yourself. And you guys, don't pull love
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of God, don't put your name on the side unless
you want to be there your every waking moment.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And you know some people like like Craigs. You have
you ever been to Craigs?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yes, I love Craigs, And Craig's always in there, and
he's such a great host. Like it's not the same
when he's not even there, but like, that's his baby.
I think he has other restaurants too. I know he's
got all kinds of businesses, but that's his baby. He's
always there. I don't want to be that. I don't
want to eat, sleep, breathe a bar our restaurant ever again,
like I did before, and I wasn't even running it,
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I wasn't managing it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I was just a host and an investor.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
But do you think that's what it came down to?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
There?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Were so many things that went wrong along the way.
It was a comedy of errors. A lot of good
things happened too, but yeah, I just I don't know.
I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Maybe it was timing.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Maybe no, I know what happened.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
It was Yeah, it was a comedy of airs, and
we learned some very expensive lessons in life, time and money.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
When we first started it, I was like, I had
a nice bankroll, I did a cash out REFI I
got us like sub three percent. I felt like I
was rolling in dough. And all of a sudden, it
was just like we were running out of money and
time and it was scary, you know, when your name's
on that lease and there's no easy way out of it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You guys, I don't want this to be a sad song.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Would you do it again?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Okay, here's the thing. If someone would would have me
on as like, uh, well, I don't I don't know
enough about the business, even though I worked in it
my whole life to be a consultant, you know what
I mean. I've never ran a restaurant, but.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I would love to help with like the early stages
the design process. I've curated a few cocktail men news.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I love doing that. We made good cocktails.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I know I get a bad rap because everyone saw
me have a meltdown my first night at Pump.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I don't know if you ever watched VPR, but I
was having it. Please tell me I'm fortunate. Do you
get anxiety at all?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Now? I do, yes, I know the feeling very well.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Okay, I totally get that show inducing our job induced anxiety.
I don't really I'm fortunate enough to not really get
it anymore. I don't want to jinx myself.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
But back in the day, I would get bouts, like
maybe twice a year.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I would have a like a panic attack, and I
had one when I was at Pump and I was
also coming to the realization that I did not want
to work there, and it was opening night and I
think people rushed in. I didn't know how to ring
things in and I had a meltdown and I just
like I remember the manager was like, dude, you can't
leave us right now, and I totally understood that, but
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I was like, I need ten minutes, and he goes,
bro if you leave, don't come back, and I just
never went back.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
And I feel I stand by that decision. Really, I
felt so good. I went into the garage that's down
on melrose By.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
So you didn't make any cocktails?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
No, I mean I no, no I did, But I
went down in that garage and I just like screamed.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I felt so good. Remember that scene in Jerem Maguire
when he's in his car and free.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I love that scene.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I love Jerrem Maguire.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, I recently saw it with Aaron. I've never seen
like old or nineties movies, and so that's kind of
our new thing.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
That's so fun. I love that your game to go
back and watch them.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I really liked what's.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Your favorite one? Just off the top of your head.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Oh, we just watched one. What is Demi Moore? What
was that called? Ghost? I had never seen ghosts before.
I cried, And I love that theme song so much.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I'm this makes me so happy for you. You just experienced
ghosts for the first time.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, so now I listen to the theme song while
I'm driving.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
That's amazing. Yeah. Have you seen like classics like Back
to the Future Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I have, but it's been so long I would I
feel like if I watched it again, it would be
like seeing it for the first time.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I feel like I need to have at least one
recommend me.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, please send me a list. Oh I haven't seen
that one.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
It's a classic. You gotta watch Trainspotting later. Okay, anyways,
you guys, stick with us. I'm talking about movies.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I will. What's something creative you've always wanted to try
but you haven't yet?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
WHOA, Well, I've kind of tried it. I dabble, but like,
there's part of.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Me I don't know if I've ever said this publicly
that wants to be an artist? Will I ever pursue
painting as a career? Do I have any talent? Not really?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
But you know what the definition of of an artist is. Hey, hey,
I could do that. Yeah, but you didn't. Like it's
just you got to start. And I love painting.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You guys kind of like show me the receipts.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You should come pay with Isabella and I. That's all
she wants to do.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You should have done a sip and paint for this episode.
Oh my god, can do that my podcast?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay? Oh yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I've always wanted My mom used to be a classical
pianist and she did it for like twenty years, and
I've always wanted to do that. I tried a little
bit during COVID, but I had Isabella. I was like,
you know, new mom, I couldn't do it. But that's
always been like I want to go to a room
and there's a piano and just like play an amazing song.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
It's so suave to me when like someone, when you
meet someone you don't know that they're musically inclined, and
they see a piano, a grand a beautiful grand piano,
they sit down and just start tickling the ivory.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I'm like, it's kind of like, I don't know if
sexy is the word.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
It's very impressive to me. It's kind of like James
Bond esque. I don't know, Yeah, it's very charming. I'm
not musically inclined, but I I did. During the pandemic.
I became a DJ, a bedroom DJ, and I love DJing,
but like, I just are you good at it?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I'm okay.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I was getting to the point where I actually was
like confident enough to DJ at Tom tom My DJ
name was DJ. I'm sorry because I apologize in advance
for my transitions at least no. I mean, I still
like it. I have, I have like three decks, but
I just I don't know. I see, I see my
boys out there and they're crushing and they make a
lot of money.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
But like you guys are gone every weekend.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I don't want to be a DJ. I mean, you're
up all night, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
All night? Like dude, you're something. A lot of times
your set doesn't start till one or two am. Like,
I think I would be a great daytime pool DJ.
You know, I got the eyser on.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
The sunglasses, playing a little like little like little nineties
hip hop, little yacht rock, some soul, you know, or
like I actually like. I like like, I like houseb
I like jungle.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I love music, I digress. I love you.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I do know some people don't.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It's so funny you say that, because I know it
sounds like the most stock statement ever. Everyone not everyone
loves music. I don't want to name names. I can
think of a few people.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I can too.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I don't really like music.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
What or when they're in the car and it's just silent,
I'm like, how do you not turn on music?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
The only time I know? I'm down?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Bad when I drive like an hour in traffic and
I have no music on, I'm just in here stressing.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Have you been there?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I can't do that. I have to listen to music.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
It's not all times I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I don't realize it's to the end of the trip
and I'm like, dude, i just drove an hour and
I've been in here, and I'll put on some music immediately.
Like on the way here, I was jamming out because
I'm in a really good mood today and I've got
everything done I need to get done, and I have
no obligations.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Tonight.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I can go to bed at five six pm, go
to the movies, go to Tom Tom.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You're like me. I had Isabella for the past week
because Jesse was in New York, and I'm like, oh,
I just dropped her off at school and i have
the weekend to myself, so I'm super excited. I'm going
out with Brittany tonight.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I don't like.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Another reason I've been doing my podcast is i felt
myself turning into a bit of a hermit. I'm like,
I don't like talking anymore. I was like, I don't
want to be that guy. I'm too young to be
a hermit. And also it's like it's good training for
my brain. I just I don't This is a weird
thing to try to express. I don't have access to
all of my memories and all of my brain power
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on a regular basis. I'm always so impressed with people
who do shows and podcasts and can recall stories from
their childhood or like just like talk about a moment
and just paint the picture vividly.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I can do that.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Occasionally, but sometimes my mind just goes blank and I'm like,
I completely blank out.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
It could last hours or a whole day.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And I actually have a bad memory. Sometimes I have
to think about it, and it's kind of surprising. I'm like,
why don't I remember that that happened ten years ago?
Exactly what happened?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Is it? Do you think it's genetic?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
No, because my mom had a really good memory.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I think I did a lot of ecstasy when I
was young. I ks to love ecstasy.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
So do you see I'm going to change this topic.
Do you see yourself? Like, what do you see yourself
doing in a year? Or do you know do you
want to get married again?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Oh my god, I was about to walk out. I
thought you were going to hit me with a where
do you see yourself in five years? No, Mike, try, No,
that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Do you think you'll ever get married? Do you want
to love? I know you love love.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I love I loved getting married, And I'm a huge
advocate for marriage, and I'm a huge advocate for divorce.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I really am. I now I know it's so am.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I yeah, I just because I've I've bared witness to
so many unhappy relationships that lasted way longer than they
should have and they become toxic, combative, contentious, whatever, And
I'm just like you guys, just get divorced. I don't
think it's a sad thing. We get divorce parties in
Tom Tom all the time. But yes, I think I
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have one more marriage in me, and if that doesn't
work out, then I'll just you know what I.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Think I'm gonna. I want to maybe like propose and
stay in the fiance. Remember being a fiance? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I like that stage.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
It's so sexy.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, You're like, this is my fiance and you introduce
your partner like that feels.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Cool, I agree, better than being called a girlfriend. Yeah,
you make it seem like your divorce is really easy.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
With Katie, it was really sad.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I don't want to I don't wanna like minimize that.
It was really sad because we still love I mean,
we still have a certain type of love for each other,
you know what I mean, we respect each other. But
it was really really sad. We had our dream house
sub three percent. You know things, you're an agent, you
know how it is a man and just I was
(30:00):
just like it was in perfect location. I was so happy.
But you know, our relationship had become kind of stale.
We didn't have a big.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Fight or a blow up or or an affair, and
it just kind of fizzled out.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
And yeah, it was sad, but no, but in terms
of like, you know, we got a mediator. I think
it was a thousand bucks and then we were good.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
That's amazing. Sorry, no, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, I don't know where you guys are right now.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, we had a mediator that was pointless for us.
There was no agreements on anything, and it was just
a waste of time and I was trying my best.
So finally I hired a lawyer and we're still in
that process. I'm sorry, it's okay. It seems like maybe
it's going to happen in the next few months if
he continues moving forward. So we'll see, but I think
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actually there is now a possibility that it can happen.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I don't want to cross any boundaries, but it seems
from his end that things aren't going in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Well, he always likes to appear. Yeah, he decided that
we're cool, and I'm like, when did that happen? Like
he's telling everybody like, we're good, we're cool, and I'm like,
what did I miss something? Yeah? Yeah, so that's a
little irritating. But we're not on at each other's throat
(31:19):
right now. You know, we don't really have to talk
everything said. I drop her off, he picks her up, Like,
we don't even really have to see each other right now.
So I think that's nice to have that space apart.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I heard a little something about your brother was sick.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I don't know if you know about my mom what happened.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I've heard vaguely, but I don't know any details. My
brother's doing great. He just moved to LA he's staying
with me.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh, no way.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, I'm sort of helping facilitate his transition into la
he's staying with me.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Is he your older brother, he's my younger brother.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
He's a triplet high bird if you're listening.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
But he didn't, he didn't have yet.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It'll ever transplant. It was insane. Oh, it was the
most insane thing.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I never I've never I never witnessed true addiction. Not
to undermine people who have problems with drugs and alcohol,
but I never witnessed someone being actually physiologically dependent on it,
where you if you don't have it, you can't go
out through you can't go through your day, and you
could die. You could have a seizure if you don't drink.
And I didn't even know that was a thing. I
(32:24):
thought maybe only with heroin and stuff like that, but
I didn't know with alcohol before I saw what happened
to my brother that, yeah, it's not like it's not
like you go out and you binge drink too often.
That's a problem in itself, But like, if he didn't
wake up and drink, he would start shaking and you
could have seizures. I would have to get him alcohol
until he would get treatment, you know, because otherwise he
could die. This all happened at once. It was insane.
(32:47):
My dad was in the hospital. Then my brother got
testicular cancer. Shout out to Brandau, he's thriving. Now it's cleared.
And then Bert was, yeah looking it was in the hospital, dying,
looking for a liver, and by grace of God or
miracle or whatever you believe in, it's just shout out
to doctor Baber. He was the person because he was
Bert was supposed to go to hospice and just they're like,
(33:08):
we want him to go there and just sort of
enjoy whatever he has left, whatever life he has left
in him, you know. And it was so sad and
I was like, hell no, not going to hospice. Yeah,
we had to fight for it, and we had to fight.
We fought, and we just like he had this really
awesome doctor, like a guardian angel, doctor Baber, who believed
in him because he was like they said he had
like six months to live. He had full john ice.
(33:30):
He was like, look like a school bus. He's so
I don't know what other he was like. He was
straight yellow. Yeah, and they said he had like six
months to live. But yeah, a long story short, Yeah,
he's he's alive. And well, I just like, I just
got him in and out today.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
He was so stoked, amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, he's thriving. He's got like a new glow.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Did that affect you back then?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, it was like all that happened kind of at
the same time while Schwartz and Sandy started failing too.
So I'm like, I'm gonna lose my entire invents, Like
I just and I felt like I would try to
go home and view with my family so much and
then but I'm like, I got to get back. The
bar needs me, and I would just be back and forth,
back and forth.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I was manic. People who are close to me know
that I was losing my mind.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
What's the same when it rains, it pours.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It was pouring.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
It was a monsoon.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I know what that's like.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. So how's what's going on?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Well, yeah, I mean, I'm I've been a little open
about it. My mom had cancer. While basically it happened
like two years ago when we found out instantly right
before the summer of doing the first season, and then
she was in chemo this last year a year ago,
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I guess, and then she actually passed in November. Uh,
she was just when she when we found out, she
was already stage four and it was already all over.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
So it was a very difficult time for me last
because I was dealing with two very tragic things.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
That's right, I did it, By the way, I feel
like an idiot.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
No, it's okay, it's okay. I actually wanted to talk
to you about it because I had heard about your brother,
but I didn't know if he was okay. And that
actually makes me very happy to hear.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Thank you and I'm so sorry. Yeah, I can't imagine.
There's no words, there is just you just experience it. You.
But you seem to be holding up pretty pretty damn well.
You have a good support system.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I do, and I have a lot of great friends.
You have a brother and sister.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
You've got a lot of people that love you.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah. The girls are saying nothing but the sweetest things
about you. Well most of.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Them, yeah, not all of them, most of them. But
like my girls, the ones that I'm really close with,
they are my best friends and they always check on me,
and I'm very thankful to have to have them.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
That's one thing like thinking back on like VPR and stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
It's a show, but those are real these just like
on your show, those are your real friends. And when
stuff like that happens like real life, like everyone said,
acide their differences and comes together.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, and I'm sure with respect and deference and love.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
And I actually was surprised by all the love that
I got and like I never expected, you know, Sena
to bring me food and Janet to go to the
funeral in San Diego and Brittany and just like you
just really see who's there for you. And that's why
I love them even more.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, it's crazy that It's just it happens to all
of us.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
It's inevitable, and it sounds like an idiotic thing to say,
but it's just yeah, it sounds, it feels so it's
so stark. But at the same time, I've got to
embrace our impermanence.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Right, That's what makes life great. Exactly, would you want
to live forever?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
No, I'm good on that. Immortality sounds awful. Yeah, I
want to.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Maybe I want a good life.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I want to.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I'm thinking like universe, I'm thinking like, let's just say
ninety and I might.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I might check out.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I agree I'm gonna I don't think I want to
hit a hundred, and.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I am going to fall apart once I'm like eighty
nine or ninety. I'm gonna drink smoke. I'm gonna be
saying no, not like in a toxic, harmful way, but
I'm just gonna let loose. I'm gonna be like the
dude from The Big Lebowski, and I'm gonna make sure
i'm spoil my grandkids if I'm lucky enough to have
my kids, my grandkids whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I really see that for you, Like I'm manifesting you
meeting somebody?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
How are you meeting people these days?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
I just bump into people. I'm just That's one where
I've always been really lucky in life. Like the last
person I was chilling with I just bumped into in
a barn ended up becoming my best friend.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
You just bumped into that.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
We did. We bumped into each other and there just came.
I really like fell in love or.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I just start you just start flirting.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
And I mean, I mean, I'm pretty passive. I gotta
be honest.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I know it's usually the girl who makes the first
move that sounds pathetic. It's not that I don't have
confidence or moxie or whatever, so you know, passive when
it comes to the initial relationships.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, so you won't make the first move.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I will, I will and I have and uh yeah, god,
I squirming over here.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Wait now, I want to know what it would be
your ideal first date?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
First date?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, like ideal, I'd like to it's pretty stock, but
maybe get a drink at one of our places, just
a drink, nothing crazy, and then we go to a
really cool restaurant, maybe somewhere in Silver Lake or West Hollywood,
and uh yeah, eat some good food, have a drink
or two, and just and then just see where the
(38:32):
night takes us. I like to start with dinner and
then see how we feel and just improvise from there.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I mean, that's kind of boring.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I love I never get sick of that same here.
I love it too. I still like Erin and I
still do date nights. We make sure that we make
it a point like, oh we haven't gone out, like
let's go do something.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
My favorite thing to do is when I'm with someone
I really dig, is just to go hang out at
their place, order food, and watch movies. Of course, I
love traveling carbe DM. I love all that shit.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Wait, I'm getting I'm getting self conscious? Am I being monotone?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Oh it's me. Oh my god, it's contagious. Hi, Michelle,
this has been really fun so far. Thank you for
having me on your podcast.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
By the way, you were you said you were here
not long ago.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
With with uh Sandoval and then to Teas in a
pod said.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Out to the gang, yeah, I heard some comments they
were making about me recently.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
What did they say? What did they say? Words can't
hurt you.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
She said that I'm not human and that I'm a
I And I don't even remember what they were saying,
but like everything they were saying, I was like, oh
my god, can you at least meet me for a
second before you have all of these opinions about me
like you have you've never met me in person for
one second?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:49):
And I actually I have never responded to any comments
like ever, I never do. I'll if I read it,
I don't like it, like I'll put my phone away.
But I was actually really irrit I'm like, you're two
women talking shit about me. You don't know me. And
so it was the first time that I actually wrote
a comment, and I responded.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Dm or on the comment. On the comment, what did
you say?
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I said, like, thanks very much, real girls, girl, how
about like I am a human being.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
We love to see women supporting women, and they always do.
But also, you know, at least.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Some women I know really like to talk behind closed
doors respectfully.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
But no, I know, I know it hurts, but I
guarantee if you met them, they're lovely. By the way,
they'd give you a huggy by Darling. I'm sorry, it's
just like it comes out of us when we're podcasting,
not to make excuses for people being nasty or toxic
because it hurts.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, I just feel like I wouldn't do that, but
I have to learn that not everybody would do what
I would do. I wouldn't talk negatively about somebody who
I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
I love letting people vent to me. Now I've gotten
so much better. I love when people come to me
and talk shit, even if it's about other people, because
I'm always like, you know, give me a second, I
just need to vent and talk some shit. Is that okay?
I'm like, yeah, let loose and at the end almost
always are like, you know, and I still think this
person's a good person.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
They have a good heart. I just needed to get
that out.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Sometimes it just feels good to have a good talking session,
just maybe not on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, keep it to yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
It gets the clicks, but it's at what cost. There's
a human cost, right.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, of course that was hurt bowl and that was
the really mean thing to say about me, are you ai?
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, Michelle's going.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Out out just Brittany and I. We go to my
favorite restaurant in West Hollywood and it's a really big
deal when the girls come my way.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
You want to plug it? Favorite spot?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Oh yeah, Cassa Madera, Cassa Madera at the Mandrin we
have a lot by the way.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I think the audience knows this, but like that's like
if there's ever a vander Pump Rules tour the madre
On Skybar sit absolutely.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I had insane nights there.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Insane not like not even I'm not talking like debaucherous
or like drug related, just like insane things I've witnessed
at the Mangon.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Same here. When I was living in San Diego before
I moved to LA and it was like twenty thirteen
and I was thinking about moving to La. So I
remember staying at the Mandrin and just like, I'm like,
is this La on a Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (42:27):
That's like in my mind when I first went there
on a Wednesday? Or have we had the same story?
I went and I was like, I felt like I
was in an episode.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Of Entourage, Yes, which is my favorite show, by.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
The way, It's one of the there's so many things
inspired me to move out here inside the actor's studio,
but low key Entourage. I was always living vicariously through
Vinnie Instant Chase Yep. But anyways, No, the first time
I went to the Mangion, oh my god, I was like,
this is not real.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
This is Ai Like it just looked like it was.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
It was everything I imagine La would be like quint essential,
like that backdrop looking looking south out of the city.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
It's so pretty.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
So Cosa Madera is not like that. It's just a restaurant.
But I just like the vibe they have, like musicians
playing and good music and music vibe.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, oh, I've never seen I've never been there when
there's live music.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, there's a guy that plays I don't know what instrument.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Tom Sandebal's first job was at the Mandren. Really always,
I always think of Tom when I when I think
of Skybar. His first job was at Skybar, a seat attendant.
Back when they were like popping bottles. I don't know
if they still do that, like bottle service and stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Do they?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I don't think so they do. That's past my time.
I'm like an old lady.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
I'm not popping bottles. Maybe a couple of times a year.
It's okay in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
I would do it in Vegas. Yeah, that's why I
don't like.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
To go to Vegas popping bottles on the couch. Now,
now we're talking maybe not bottles plural bottle.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
I'm really not a drinker anymore. I do like my
skinny Marguerite. I heard you make the best ones, and
I have not had one who told you that. I've
heard a Birdie told me.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I did.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
All right, you guys, shout out to Patron, my favorite
tequila ever. I've worked with them, but I also just
love it. But whatever your favorite tequila is, you got
it fresh as best. You gotta use fresh lime juice,
of course, fresh lime juice, maybe like point twenty five ounces,
just a kiss of a gave, like I know it's
still skinny, just a kiss of it to round it out.
A little bit of salt, a pinch or a bunch
(44:29):
a pinch of salt in the drink, just a little bit.
You can use a saline solution if you're fancy, or
just a little pinch of salt.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
And this is what makes it. Just like one or
two squeezes of fresh orange.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Oh, I'll do that.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
That's so good, Okay.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
I always tell them like tonight, a skinnyest skinny matarita
with a little two orange slices, and I have.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
To have a tahine or salt rim.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Oh heck yeah, yeah, I'm salivating.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Because I'm like that meme. I'm somebody's telling me a
really like intense crazy story and I'm just like with
my margarita king the rim the whole time. I'm like,
tell me more.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yes, well, cool, I think I think we have similar paths. Tonight. Yeah,
I won't be there, but I.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Seek food in my future skinny marks.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
All right.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
If I'm chilling with you, Michelle likewise chatting all
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Right, cool, peyton sip, We're gonna payt and zip
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