June 8, 2021 • 19 mins
Join us we take you inside the chaotic QAnon riot at the Capitol Building on January 6th. We’ll give you a blow by blow account of how it unfolded, and how all roads from it lead back to Q.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Q and On is now the most prolific online conspiracy
theory of the twenty one century. None of their predictions
came true. Q has vanished and the storm never came,
but Q and On is still alive. I'm Jake Hanrahan,
and this is Series two of Q Clearance, a podcast
shedding light on the ongoing Q and On conspiracy theory.
(00:24):
This is a production of Ku Data Media and I
Heart Radio. In this episode, we'll be discussing the storming
of the US Capitol Building on January six one and
how that is connected heavily to Q and On. Now.
(00:44):
Many people seem to think that because Trump is no
longer the US president, Q and on is over. Unfortunately,
that is very much not the case. There are hundreds
of thousands of Q followers still hanging on, and believe
it or not, some of them still think Q so
(01:05):
called plan is being followed to the t. Will be
showing you that just because you're not seeing it everywhere
now doesn't mean Q and On has gone away. Before
we go into all of that, though, let me explain
what we'll be doing in this series. So in the
first series, we clearly laid out who we think is
behind the Q and On hoax, and why we went over,
(01:28):
how the account changed hands, how media misinformation started blaming
the wrong people, and why hundreds of thousands felt for
the madness of Q and On. If you haven't heard
it yet, I strongly advise you to go back to
episode one of series one, otherwise a lot of this
will make no sense to you. The end of series
(01:51):
one of Q Clearance came around the same time as
the end of Q and On as we know it,
at least the end of que drops. See Q hasn't
posted a single que drop since before the US election.
The followers have been somewhat set adrift by this. Some
have realized their error in believing in such an outlandish
(02:14):
conspiracy theory, whilst others have dog in deeper. Will be
covering all of that later on in this series, so
to be clear, In this series will be documenting the
evolution of Q and On without its leader. Will also
cast a light on the deeper parts of the conspiracy
that you won't see discussed in the news segments. Since
(02:37):
the see of Maga hats kicked in windows at the
Capitol Building, twenty four hour news channels have decided to
take proper notice of Q and On. Predictably, most of
their reporting is surface level and often over dramatic. At
Q Clearance, we're digging in deeper. For four years, we
(03:01):
have witnessed the pro Trump crowd fought with the police.
This is the west front of the capital and you
see the smoke is building and you see the flash there.
Sometimes the flash bang is used by law enforcement to
try to disperse the crowd. It's obviously one of the
(03:22):
tactics in their tool belt. Um and and it seems
we saw the FBI swat team come in earlier, no
question that they The storming of the Capitol Building is
what really catapulted Q and On into the public eye.
Before that, Q and On was an oddity, laughed at
by most who had heard about it. Now it's becoming
(03:44):
a serious talking point for every US politico from here
to d C. Some people are calling Q and On
a terrorist organization, whilst others have started trying to distance
themselves from this beast that they obviously nurtured. One side
blames the other as usual. It's all a mess. But
(04:07):
what actually happened at the Capitol Building in January? To
discuss the situation in a way that's hopefully less dramatic
than the online discourse that surrounding all of this has been.
I spoke to journalist Matthew Goat. Goat runs the podcast
Angry Planet and has been doing work on Q and
(04:28):
on from the very beginning. Let's just just do a
beat by beat for January six here, just so we
kind of know, have the facts straight in front of us. Um. So,
on January six, Congress bought the House and the Senate
convene at a joint session presided over by the Vice President,
and it's to certify the election results. Basically, to count
(04:50):
the electoral votes and officially say, all right, Joe Biden wins,
he will be the next president. This is part of
like a very you know, an adyne normal process of
American politics. Right. Um, the lead up to this day,
Trump is indicating both on Twitter and in speeches, et cetera,
that Pence could quote do something about this, that he
(05:11):
could stop the certification, you know, because he's making this
bold claim that the election was stolen from him and
that the election is fraudulent, right, or at least kind
of hinting around that. No here, that many Q and
on's were convinced at the time that Mike Pence was
their savior. They thought he might be one of Qu's
right hand men and that he'd storm this stage as
(05:33):
it were, and announced that Trump was about to take over.
Of course, Q and On's linked Trump's tweets about Pence
to cues previous hints that Pence was on their side
to make things even more polarizing. There was also a
contingent of Q and On's, many of them who thought
the opposite of Pence. Many believed he was a traitor
(05:57):
either way. On the day in question, he played a
sign if a can roll in the Q and on
mythos Um. Also in the lead up to the day,
he announces that he will be holding a stop the
Steel rally on the day that they are certifying the election.
So in January six, then that morning, and then kind
of throughout the afternoon, Trump supporters gather on the Ellipses,
which is a large park north of Washington, north of
(06:19):
the Washington Monument and south of Lafayette Square. UM. So
at noon Trump speaks. I think you know, at this
point we've all heard the speech. We all know what
he said. It was played repeatedly on cable news broadcasts
and as part of his second impeachment trial. So he's
still speaking when at twelve thirty the crowd begins to
(06:42):
gather outside of the Capitol building itself. UM. And at
one pm people start to push through the first barricade
that was around the Capitol. UM. At one one oh five,
inside the Capitol, they begin certifying the votes. UM. At
one tin Trump ends his speech and he else his
supporters that we are going to the capital and that
(07:02):
he will you know, we're going to march down Pennsylvania
Avenue and that he will be there with them. Um.
He was not physically anyway. Then about one thirty, Trump
supporters start marching down Pennsylvania Avenue and they make it
to the steps, and a lot of the most striking
footage that that we saw on social media comes from
this moment, like from one thirty to two, where the
(07:25):
crowds are gathered out outside and they're starting to fight
with police officers and they're crawling all over everything. Um.
And then at about two fifteen they get in. And
then five minutes later when Congress adjourns, and they start
moving to safe locations either within the building or without
if they can get outside of it, and then you know,
(07:45):
we again we get to start to see what happens
while these people are in the Capital Um. There's a
lot of selfie taking. Uh, there's a lot of petty vandalism.
There's reports that excrement was smeared on the walls. Um.
And you know there's there's the Q and On Sharman,
who we will talk about here in a moment um.
You know, in the ratunda in the chambers, looking looking
(08:08):
very regal and important. If you saw any of the
coverage of the Capitol Building riot, you will have seen
the guy at gold just mentioned the Q and On Shaman.
We'll be talking about him more later in the series,
(08:28):
but just in case you've been living under a rock
or something, the Q and On Shaman is a man
called Jake Angelie. Angelie was a hardcore Q and On
believer who turned up to the Capitol Building shirtless, with
his face painted and wearing a fur hat with antlers
attached to it. You could not make this up. He
(08:50):
was a well known face amongst the Q and On
protests for years, and was of course present when the
Capitol Building was stormed on January nine. He was a
rested on federal charges of knowingly entering or remaining in
any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and with
(09:11):
violent entry and disorderly conduct on capital grounds. He's since
renounced his q and On allegiance and Donald Trump. It's
believed he has also had a history of mental illness.
As the Capital Building was stormed, many of the protesters
were posting their crimes to social media, showing off and
(09:35):
often cheering Q and On mantras as they did it.
And these people are all posting to social media. Um,
they they're they're also going into congressional offices. They are
looking for people. Mostly they find equipment. Some of them
steal equipment, some of them steal Nancy Pelosi's mail and
her laptop. Things get trashed, and that's generally what happens.
(09:56):
So what does this have to do with you and On?
I think is like the big question, right because I
think in the aftermath of all of this happening, a
lot of the blame for this event was put on
Q and on so YouTube and Facebook had already banned
Q and On from its platforms for whatever you know
that means. Uh. Late on January eighth, Twitter comes two
(10:21):
days after what will the storming of the capital, Twitter
bands active q and on accounts and deactivates around seventy
thousand accounts it says are connected to q and on.
This includes former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn and Ron Watkins,
who I'm sure listeners will be very familiar with by
this point. If that name means nothing to you, I
(10:42):
again strongly advise you go back to series one to
find out how it was uncovered that him and his
dad were very likely behind the q and on hoax. UM. So,
partly because of this and partly because of increased scrutiny overall,
and a perception the platforms like Facebook and YouTube and
Twitter silence and conservative voices, um, what I would call
(11:04):
the q and on community begins to kind of migrate
to Telegram. We've got a whole episode coming up about
how qun on flooded their way onto Telegram, the messaging
app when its proponents were banned from social media. But
just so you know for context, the ideas behind q
and on have only become even more outrageous and unbelievable
(11:29):
now that its main source of discussion is on Telegram.
These groups aren't small either. When I'm following has well
over one hundred thousand members and is constantly being updated.
So why is Q Why do people think you and
on is to blame for this? Right? Right? I think
(11:52):
that's that's like a big question, like why is that
part of the narrative here? Um and I would say
that is because we don't have good numbers on how
many people were actually there. We may never know like
what the total number is, but we can look at
people that have been charged um SO. As of this recording,
federal authorities have charged more than three people in connection
(12:14):
to the rights. The list is growing every day, and
the charges range from conspiracy to petty vandalism. It's really
all over the map with what these people are getting
charged with. Um SO. News outlets like USA Today, Insider,
and NPR have searchable databases of who the people are
that are getting charged um things that have been written
(12:36):
about them in their local newspapers, what their social media
activity was like. So there were people at the riot
who were Q and On believers, Alright, how many of
them believed quote unquote in Q and on or we're
big Q people. I don't think that's super noable, but
I do have some data points from like the indictments
(12:58):
and what we know about some of these people, and
I just kind of want to run through just three
real quick. UM. So there's Harry P. Muntzer, who's fifty two.
He's charged with disorderly conduct and breaking and entering UM.
He ran an appliant store in the Midwest. The local
newspaper would report on him. It would run photos of
a of an appliant the appliance store. It was decorated
in murals talking about Q, talking about how people are
(13:21):
sheeple um, and that this was an awakened store and
that he was fighting against a deep state cabal. Um.
You know, this is on the wall of his of
his Midwest appliance store, just in in the middle of
just you know, on a normal street. There's Dominic Madden,
forty three. He's got a real long list of charges,
including including disorderly conduct and breaking and entering UM. He
(13:43):
was seen on January six wearing a blue Q hoodie.
There's a married couple, Jason and Christine Girding, also charged
with disorderly conduct. They took a photo together in the
rotunda of after they'd broken in UM. A loving like
the kind of thing that you would see, like a
normal couple take in front of a beautiful bridge or landscape.
(14:04):
UM and Jason's profile photo on Facebook before the rest
is emblazoned with the Q. UM. There's others. There's others,
people in the three hundred people long list, right, But
it's not as if I mean you you know this
and the listeners know this. It's not as if there's
a centralized location where Q is being planned and people
(14:26):
are being organized. This is a self starting belief system
and cult these So it's it's to say that Q
and on caused this, I think is a simplification of
a much broader phenomenon about what's going on that also
involves President Trump, that just involves the way the internet works,
(14:47):
in the way conservative politics have gone in America more
broadly in the last ten or twenty years. I think
as well, though, some something that a lot of people
look to when saying, oh, the Q cause this is
because the Q and On's before this, Actually this happened
before the riot happened. The Q and On's on telegram
(15:08):
was saying, right January sick, there's going to be something big.
Trump is going to come back. He's gonna he really
won the election, he's going to arrest ever, you know,
another one of these failed predictions that they always have.
And then when nothing happened, they kind of made something
happen and said, see, we told you something big was
going to happen. And it's like, no, that that's not
(15:29):
the same. That's like saying, oh, my car is going
to get stolen on Monday, and then when no one
steals that, you steal your own car and trash it
and then say, see I told you, Like, no, it
doesn't work like that. That's not prediction, that is you
causing it. That's a self fulfilling prophecy. Right. I think
that did have a lot to do with it as well. No,
I think you are exactly right, um, and like part
(15:51):
of and this is especially what what you're talking about
is especially important when we talk about what has happened
after to the Q and On movement. They say that
January six is going to be this day the you know,
the big Q we will call it a Q influencers,
the big people in the Q and On community right
are saying that January six is going to be the stay,
It's going to be the day that the election is certified.
(16:13):
Like and as you said, they manifested this. They made something,
They made something happen. So there we have it. The
Capital Building riot or insurrection or whatever you want to
call it didn't necessarily happen only because of Q and On. However,
I think it's fair to say that it likely wouldn't
(16:34):
have been carried out in the way that it was
if Q and On didn't exist. Q whipped his supporters
up into a wild frenzy for four years, promising political violence,
secret plans, and the destruction of the Democrats. When that
didn't happen, many many Q and On supporters sort of
(16:58):
tried to light the spark that Q couldn't, because of
course Q was full of ship from start to finish.
This isn't over, though, the threat of potential violence from
Q and On adherence got so extreme that on page
one of a New York Police Department Intelligence Bureau mailer
(17:20):
on extremist imagery, they put the Q and On symbol
at the top. This mailer was obtained by journalist Jason Wilson.
On it, the police wrote the following, Q and On
is a broad conspiracy movement with anti Semitic underpinnings that
falsely alleges, based on purportedly classified intelligence, that an elite
(17:45):
cabal of pedophiles led by Democrats is plotting to harm
children and undermine President Trump. Several adherents to the movement
have been responsible for acts of violence and criminality. The
possible danger here is that Q and on is very
much still alive. It's just more underground than it ever was.
(18:09):
Stay tuned to Q Clearance while we bring all of
this into the light. Q Clearance is brought to you
by I Heart Radio and cou Data Media. I'm Jake Hanrahan.
You can find me online at Jake Underscore Hanrahan. That's
(18:32):
h a N A h a N. This episode was
produced by myself, with fact checking and additional research by
Sarah Hightower. The music is by Sam Black and the
sound was mixed by Thomas Griffin. That splicing Block Burton
(19:02):
Burton and Burton person unperson
Q and On is now the most prolific online conspiracy
theory of the twenty one century. None of their predictions
came true. Q has vanished and the storm never came,
but Q and On is still alive. I'm Jake Hanrahan,
and this is Series two of Q Clearance, a podcast
shedding light on the ongoing Q and On conspiracy theory.
(00:24):
This is a production of Ku Data Media and I
Heart Radio. In this episode, we'll be discussing the storming
of the US Capitol Building on January six one and
how that is connected heavily to Q and On. Now.
(00:44):
Many people seem to think that because Trump is no
longer the US president, Q and on is over. Unfortunately,
that is very much not the case. There are hundreds
of thousands of Q followers still hanging on, and believe
it or not, some of them still think Q so
(01:05):
called plan is being followed to the t. Will be
showing you that just because you're not seeing it everywhere
now doesn't mean Q and On has gone away. Before
we go into all of that, though, let me explain
what we'll be doing in this series. So in the
first series, we clearly laid out who we think is
behind the Q and On hoax, and why we went over,
(01:28):
how the account changed hands, how media misinformation started blaming
the wrong people, and why hundreds of thousands felt for
the madness of Q and On. If you haven't heard
it yet, I strongly advise you to go back to
episode one of series one, otherwise a lot of this
will make no sense to you. The end of series
(01:51):
one of Q Clearance came around the same time as
the end of Q and On as we know it,
at least the end of que drops. See Q hasn't
posted a single que drop since before the US election.
The followers have been somewhat set adrift by this. Some
have realized their error in believing in such an outlandish
(02:14):
conspiracy theory, whilst others have dog in deeper. Will be
covering all of that later on in this series, so
to be clear, In this series will be documenting the
evolution of Q and On without its leader. Will also
cast a light on the deeper parts of the conspiracy
that you won't see discussed in the news segments. Since
(02:37):
the see of Maga hats kicked in windows at the
Capitol Building, twenty four hour news channels have decided to
take proper notice of Q and On. Predictably, most of
their reporting is surface level and often over dramatic. At
Q Clearance, we're digging in deeper. For four years, we
(03:01):
have witnessed the pro Trump crowd fought with the police.
This is the west front of the capital and you
see the smoke is building and you see the flash there.
Sometimes the flash bang is used by law enforcement to
try to disperse the crowd. It's obviously one of the
(03:22):
tactics in their tool belt. Um and and it seems
we saw the FBI swat team come in earlier, no
question that they The storming of the Capitol Building is
what really catapulted Q and On into the public eye.
Before that, Q and On was an oddity, laughed at
by most who had heard about it. Now it's becoming
(03:44):
a serious talking point for every US politico from here
to d C. Some people are calling Q and On
a terrorist organization, whilst others have started trying to distance
themselves from this beast that they obviously nurtured. One side
blames the other as usual. It's all a mess. But
(04:07):
what actually happened at the Capitol Building in January? To
discuss the situation in a way that's hopefully less dramatic
than the online discourse that surrounding all of this has been.
I spoke to journalist Matthew Goat. Goat runs the podcast
Angry Planet and has been doing work on Q and
(04:28):
on from the very beginning. Let's just just do a
beat by beat for January six here, just so we
kind of know, have the facts straight in front of us. Um. So,
on January six, Congress bought the House and the Senate
convene at a joint session presided over by the Vice President,
and it's to certify the election results. Basically, to count
(04:50):
the electoral votes and officially say, all right, Joe Biden wins,
he will be the next president. This is part of
like a very you know, an adyne normal process of
American politics. Right. Um, the lead up to this day,
Trump is indicating both on Twitter and in speeches, et cetera,
that Pence could quote do something about this, that he
(05:11):
could stop the certification, you know, because he's making this
bold claim that the election was stolen from him and
that the election is fraudulent, right, or at least kind
of hinting around that. No here, that many Q and
on's were convinced at the time that Mike Pence was
their savior. They thought he might be one of Qu's
right hand men and that he'd storm this stage as
(05:33):
it were, and announced that Trump was about to take over.
Of course, Q and On's linked Trump's tweets about Pence
to cues previous hints that Pence was on their side
to make things even more polarizing. There was also a
contingent of Q and On's, many of them who thought
the opposite of Pence. Many believed he was a traitor
(05:57):
either way. On the day in question, he played a
sign if a can roll in the Q and on
mythos Um. Also in the lead up to the day,
he announces that he will be holding a stop the
Steel rally on the day that they are certifying the election.
So in January six, then that morning, and then kind
of throughout the afternoon, Trump supporters gather on the Ellipses,
which is a large park north of Washington, north of
(06:19):
the Washington Monument and south of Lafayette Square. UM. So
at noon Trump speaks. I think you know, at this
point we've all heard the speech. We all know what
he said. It was played repeatedly on cable news broadcasts
and as part of his second impeachment trial. So he's
still speaking when at twelve thirty the crowd begins to
(06:42):
gather outside of the Capitol building itself. UM. And at
one pm people start to push through the first barricade
that was around the Capitol. UM. At one one oh five,
inside the Capitol, they begin certifying the votes. UM. At
one tin Trump ends his speech and he else his
supporters that we are going to the capital and that
(07:02):
he will you know, we're going to march down Pennsylvania
Avenue and that he will be there with them. Um.
He was not physically anyway. Then about one thirty, Trump
supporters start marching down Pennsylvania Avenue and they make it
to the steps, and a lot of the most striking
footage that that we saw on social media comes from
this moment, like from one thirty to two, where the
(07:25):
crowds are gathered out outside and they're starting to fight
with police officers and they're crawling all over everything. Um.
And then at about two fifteen they get in. And
then five minutes later when Congress adjourns, and they start
moving to safe locations either within the building or without
if they can get outside of it, and then you know,
(07:45):
we again we get to start to see what happens
while these people are in the Capital Um. There's a
lot of selfie taking. Uh, there's a lot of petty vandalism.
There's reports that excrement was smeared on the walls. Um.
And you know there's there's the Q and On Sharman,
who we will talk about here in a moment um.
You know, in the ratunda in the chambers, looking looking
(08:08):
very regal and important. If you saw any of the
coverage of the Capitol Building riot, you will have seen
the guy at gold just mentioned the Q and On Shaman.
We'll be talking about him more later in the series,
(08:28):
but just in case you've been living under a rock
or something, the Q and On Shaman is a man
called Jake Angelie. Angelie was a hardcore Q and On
believer who turned up to the Capitol Building shirtless, with
his face painted and wearing a fur hat with antlers
attached to it. You could not make this up. He
(08:50):
was a well known face amongst the Q and On
protests for years, and was of course present when the
Capitol Building was stormed on January nine. He was a
rested on federal charges of knowingly entering or remaining in
any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and with
(09:11):
violent entry and disorderly conduct on capital grounds. He's since
renounced his q and On allegiance and Donald Trump. It's
believed he has also had a history of mental illness.
As the Capital Building was stormed, many of the protesters
were posting their crimes to social media, showing off and
(09:35):
often cheering Q and On mantras as they did it.
And these people are all posting to social media. Um,
they they're they're also going into congressional offices. They are
looking for people. Mostly they find equipment. Some of them
steal equipment, some of them steal Nancy Pelosi's mail and
her laptop. Things get trashed, and that's generally what happens.
(09:56):
So what does this have to do with you and On?
I think is like the big question, right because I
think in the aftermath of all of this happening, a
lot of the blame for this event was put on
Q and on so YouTube and Facebook had already banned
Q and On from its platforms for whatever you know
that means. Uh. Late on January eighth, Twitter comes two
(10:21):
days after what will the storming of the capital, Twitter
bands active q and on accounts and deactivates around seventy
thousand accounts it says are connected to q and on.
This includes former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn and Ron Watkins,
who I'm sure listeners will be very familiar with by
this point. If that name means nothing to you, I
(10:42):
again strongly advise you go back to series one to
find out how it was uncovered that him and his
dad were very likely behind the q and on hoax. UM. So,
partly because of this and partly because of increased scrutiny overall,
and a perception the platforms like Facebook and YouTube and
Twitter silence and conservative voices, um, what I would call
(11:04):
the q and on community begins to kind of migrate
to Telegram. We've got a whole episode coming up about
how qun on flooded their way onto Telegram, the messaging
app when its proponents were banned from social media. But
just so you know for context, the ideas behind q
and on have only become even more outrageous and unbelievable
(11:29):
now that its main source of discussion is on Telegram.
These groups aren't small either. When I'm following has well
over one hundred thousand members and is constantly being updated.
So why is Q Why do people think you and
on is to blame for this? Right? Right? I think
(11:52):
that's that's like a big question, like why is that
part of the narrative here? Um and I would say
that is because we don't have good numbers on how
many people were actually there. We may never know like
what the total number is, but we can look at
people that have been charged um SO. As of this recording,
federal authorities have charged more than three people in connection
(12:14):
to the rights. The list is growing every day, and
the charges range from conspiracy to petty vandalism. It's really
all over the map with what these people are getting
charged with. Um SO. News outlets like USA Today, Insider,
and NPR have searchable databases of who the people are
that are getting charged um things that have been written
(12:36):
about them in their local newspapers, what their social media
activity was like. So there were people at the riot
who were Q and On believers, Alright, how many of
them believed quote unquote in Q and on or we're
big Q people. I don't think that's super noable, but
I do have some data points from like the indictments
(12:58):
and what we know about some of these people, and
I just kind of want to run through just three
real quick. UM. So there's Harry P. Muntzer, who's fifty two.
He's charged with disorderly conduct and breaking and entering UM.
He ran an appliant store in the Midwest. The local
newspaper would report on him. It would run photos of
a of an appliant the appliance store. It was decorated
in murals talking about Q, talking about how people are
(13:21):
sheeple um, and that this was an awakened store and
that he was fighting against a deep state cabal. Um.
You know, this is on the wall of his of
his Midwest appliance store, just in in the middle of
just you know, on a normal street. There's Dominic Madden,
forty three. He's got a real long list of charges,
including including disorderly conduct and breaking and entering UM. He
(13:43):
was seen on January six wearing a blue Q hoodie.
There's a married couple, Jason and Christine Girding, also charged
with disorderly conduct. They took a photo together in the
rotunda of after they'd broken in UM. A loving like
the kind of thing that you would see, like a
normal couple take in front of a beautiful bridge or landscape.
(14:04):
UM and Jason's profile photo on Facebook before the rest
is emblazoned with the Q. UM. There's others. There's others,
people in the three hundred people long list, right, But
it's not as if I mean you you know this
and the listeners know this. It's not as if there's
a centralized location where Q is being planned and people
(14:26):
are being organized. This is a self starting belief system
and cult these So it's it's to say that Q
and on caused this, I think is a simplification of
a much broader phenomenon about what's going on that also
involves President Trump, that just involves the way the internet works,
(14:47):
in the way conservative politics have gone in America more
broadly in the last ten or twenty years. I think
as well, though, some something that a lot of people
look to when saying, oh, the Q cause this is
because the Q and On's before this, Actually this happened
before the riot happened. The Q and On's on telegram
(15:08):
was saying, right January sick, there's going to be something big.
Trump is going to come back. He's gonna he really
won the election, he's going to arrest ever, you know,
another one of these failed predictions that they always have.
And then when nothing happened, they kind of made something
happen and said, see, we told you something big was
going to happen. And it's like, no, that that's not
(15:29):
the same. That's like saying, oh, my car is going
to get stolen on Monday, and then when no one
steals that, you steal your own car and trash it
and then say, see I told you, Like, no, it
doesn't work like that. That's not prediction, that is you
causing it. That's a self fulfilling prophecy. Right. I think
that did have a lot to do with it as well. No,
I think you are exactly right, um, and like part
(15:51):
of and this is especially what what you're talking about
is especially important when we talk about what has happened
after to the Q and On movement. They say that
January six is going to be this day the you know,
the big Q we will call it a Q influencers,
the big people in the Q and On community right
are saying that January six is going to be the stay,
It's going to be the day that the election is certified.
(16:13):
Like and as you said, they manifested this. They made something,
They made something happen. So there we have it. The
Capital Building riot or insurrection or whatever you want to
call it didn't necessarily happen only because of Q and On. However,
I think it's fair to say that it likely wouldn't
(16:34):
have been carried out in the way that it was
if Q and On didn't exist. Q whipped his supporters
up into a wild frenzy for four years, promising political violence,
secret plans, and the destruction of the Democrats. When that
didn't happen, many many Q and On supporters sort of
(16:58):
tried to light the spark that Q couldn't, because of
course Q was full of ship from start to finish.
This isn't over, though, the threat of potential violence from
Q and On adherence got so extreme that on page
one of a New York Police Department Intelligence Bureau mailer
(17:20):
on extremist imagery, they put the Q and On symbol
at the top. This mailer was obtained by journalist Jason Wilson.
On it, the police wrote the following, Q and On
is a broad conspiracy movement with anti Semitic underpinnings that
falsely alleges, based on purportedly classified intelligence, that an elite
(17:45):
cabal of pedophiles led by Democrats is plotting to harm
children and undermine President Trump. Several adherents to the movement
have been responsible for acts of violence and criminality. The
possible danger here is that Q and on is very
much still alive. It's just more underground than it ever was.
(18:09):
Stay tuned to Q Clearance while we bring all of
this into the light. Q Clearance is brought to you
by I Heart Radio and cou Data Media. I'm Jake Hanrahan.
You can find me online at Jake Underscore Hanrahan. That's
(18:32):
h a N A h a N. This episode was
produced by myself, with fact checking and additional research by
Sarah Hightower. The music is by Sam Black and the
sound was mixed by Thomas Griffin. That splicing Block Burton
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