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Q and On is now the most prolific online conspiracy
theory of the twenty one century. None of their predictions
came true. Q has vanished and the storm never came,
but Q and On is still alive. I'm Jake Hanrahan,
and this is Series two of Q Clearance, a podcast
shedding light on the ongoing Q and on conspiracy theory.
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This is a production of Kudatar Media and I Heart Radio.
Here at Q Clearance, we've spoken a lot about the
way in which Q and On is evolving. We've covered
everything from their deranged post election theories to the neo
Nazi Q and on components rapidly emerging. What I want
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to do for a bit in this episode, though, is
to take it one step further theoretically, at least, let's
imagine a world where somehow Q and On was actually
real and legitimate. What they think is happening is happening.
Imagine that we were all wrong and they were all right.
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Let's imagine this nightmare for a second, that they managed
to take over and overthrow enough of the current US
order to realize they're much wanted. Revolution after a revolution
and economic system must be implemented, right well, Q and
On even has one of those. It's something called nas Sarah.
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We'll get onto that, but just imagine for a minute
what would have to happen for the Q and On
to get to that point where they are able to
implement this economic reform system. Now, the following will obviously
be a fictional dramatization, but remember this is actually all
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based on the ideas of Q and On's themselves ols
As far as I can tell after two or more
years researching this phenomenon, their storm would look something like this.
Thousands of highly trained US military cells loyal to Donald
Trump begins storming federal government buildings across the US. Any
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politician that's a Democrats or even a Republican that hasn't
completely backed Q a so called rhino, is arrested and
taken away in a truck. The vote or ideas of
Democrats across the US are posted online and Q and
On supporters are given arms to round them up. The
White House is stormed by Q and On militias with
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the help of Trump's secret US military cells. Biden is
shot on site. However, Kamala Harris has managed to escape
due to her connections within the police force. Trump emerges
from a chopper landing in the Rose Garden, ready for action.
He marches into the Oval Office as hundreds of thousands
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of Q and On supporters scream with excitement our aside.
The windows are rattling. Meanwhile, voting machines across the country
are torched, and every Clinton family residence is stormed. It
takes a while, as there are so many and they're
so huge, but eventually Hillary two is rounded up as
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the US burns, Q flags are hoisted up over every
federal building left standing. Anyone who is considered slightly liberal
is accused of being an ANTIFAR terrorist and is shot
or arrested. TV networks are stormed without warning by O
A n N stormtroopers. Anyone who isn't willing to immediately
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pledge allegiance to Trump's coup and the reign of Q
and On is again either executed or arrested. TV networks
are taken over entirely by an emergency live system telling
the whole of the US that Trump is back and
Q was in fact real. On this system, on every
screen across the nation, live footage can be seen of
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the gallows being erected on the lawn outside the White House.
There are dozens of rows of them. As this happens,
the laws of a standing kangaroo corp are read out
by Lynn Wood in the top hat. Everyone screams treason
at the end of each sentence. The Q special forces
units arrive in large military trucks, guns drawn. They lead
a steady line of quivering politicians to the nooses. The
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crowds cheer where we go, on we go all it
can be heard booming everywhere. The politicians are hanged. The
country is now cues. Now. I know that sounded a
little bit over dramatic, but I think it's important to
hear it that way, because ultimately, this is the same
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sort of fever dream many of the Q followers have
been fantasizing about now for years now. It might not
happen that quickly, but in their minds, the true Q
and onbelievers think all of the afore mentioned in that
little story is ready to happen at any moment. So
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after this theoretical Q and On overthrow, what economic system
would keep the Q followers thriving. Well, they've thought of
that too, As I mentioned, It's something called Nassarah n
a s a A. The concept has actually been around
much longer than Q. But as we all know by now,
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Q and On likes to pull at threads from many
different theories and ideas, amalgamating it, putting its own spin
on it, and turning it into something quite original, if
not a bit evil. So Nasarah. Recently on the Q
and on Telegram channels, I've seen Nassara mentioned. More and
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more people are saying when will Nassara star? How can
I live within the Nassara economic system? What will Nassara
reforms do for me? That sort of thing. So I
spoke to Travis's view of the excellent Q and Non
Anonymous podcasts. I wanted him to explain to us what
the hell Nassara actually is. Um maybe you can just
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explain what actually is Nasara. Yeah, Nassara is kind of
like a proto Q and On, and it started out
fairly instantly. Um So, all the way back in the nineties,
there was a man named Harvey and Francis Bernard, and
he came up with these proposed economic reforms that they
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called the National Economic Security and Recovery Act, or NASSARA,
and he printed out copies of these reforms and sent
them to members of Congress, and of course they all
ignored it because it just really wasn't the plausible. These
uh these economic reforms involved things like abolishing the income
tax in favor of sales tax um, also abolishing a
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sort of compound interest on some securities, and also uh
returning to so bi metallic currency that's sort of the
gold and silver standard. However, um he also uh Harvey
France Bernard also produced a book about his reforms called
Draining the Swamp finitely enough. But you know, it would
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have probably just sort of been lost the history if
it wasn't for the fact that some people, like around
two thousand, they started to get the idea that uh
nos Sara has been passed secretly by Congress. No, obviously
that's not how laws work. Laws can't be passed secretly,
But they got this idea um thanks to a woman
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named Shanny Goodwin who operated by the name Dove of
Oneness online and Shandy good when she she herself has
an interesting history. She um she has some involvement with
some uh sort of some the some cults up in
Washington State, and she also fell for what they called
the Omega trust scam which was which was operated run
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by the scammer named Clyde Hood, who claimed that people
gave him some money they could, you know, fifty times
or five thousand times it um. So what happened is
that she started getting a following talking about the Omega Trust,
claiming that the money that that all these basically all
these dupes, all these marks uh thought was coming to
them was going to happen soon. And she kept promising
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and promising and promising. Of course it didn't happen. Eventually,
Clyde Hood, you know, he gets arrested, he fell and uh,
and so he can't run that scam anymore. But she
had a good one. She keeps her audience going by
claiming that this Nassara bill was going to be revealed soon,
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and she added a lot of bizarre our claims, such
as that after Nassara is revealed, it would lead to
worldwide economic prosperity just everyone is incredibly wealthy, and also
world peace and uh. She claimed that that you know
that there there's this battle going on behind the scenes
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between what they called like the White Knights and the
Black Knights, and they thought that the only reason that
this this uh, the secret law isn't being revealed? Was
because of this this battle right, very cut and on like, yes, yes, yes, yes,
it is extremely Q and On like. It also involved
she when the eleven happened, she she integrated that. She
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claimed that basically there was some sort of computer in
the Twin Towers that would make the Sara official. But
but the the planes crashing into the Twin Towers helped
ruined it. And that was the only reason that even
the attacks of nine eleven happened. So how is it
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that Q and On ended up involved with this later? Well,
Cumulon followers, they're also very utopian. They think that after
the truth of all their conspiracy theories has finally revealed,
we're going to enter into a grand new age of
peace and prosperity and togetherness. And so as a consequence,
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many have absorbed the Nasara narrative as explaining how this
supposed global prosperity is going to happen. Um. So this
has been going on, you know, over twenty years now, right,
So I've been seeing them saying that, like this is
going to be like implemented. How how would that like,
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how does that into the qu On universe? Because obviously
Q would have to implement you know, acques behind everything.
How are they key in these two things up? So
in the queuing on world, they often believe that um,
things like poverty and war and um illness UM aren't
caused by a complex set of social or just medical factors.
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They think that everything that's bad that goes on the
world is because of the cabal. There's a secret group
of people who want to extend the suffering of us
common people. Um. And so they believe that um, you know,
once this sort of the once these evil people are
are done away with, and once the the evilness of
these people is finally exposed, then we can sort of
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enter into the great new Golden Age. And so Nassara
obviously plays into that because it plays upon them many
of the same tropes, the belief that the only reason
people are struggling for any reason is because that um,
you know, it's because of this this evil cabal, right,
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and there is you see, so there's no SARA and
there's Sara, right. Yes, this was another addition by the
people who believed in the Sara. They thought that it
wasn't merely a national economic uh security and Recovery Act.
It was global the Global Economic Security Recovering Act. And uh,
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they're you know, they're um. As a consequence of this,
there they're Nasara Jassara started getting a following in the Netherlands,
actually became an international movement. Right, So how is life
going to look for the Q and on do they
think under this if this was actually happening, Like, how
do they see that day today? I mean, I know
it's a weird question. I'm just trying to get into
my head what they think would happen. I mean, yeah,
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they think that that literally that they're gonna open up
their bank account one day and then discover that they're
all millionaires and uh like that that no one's going
to be poor anymore. And somehow, you know, I don't
think they quite um, you know, took how this would
affect inflation or other kind of complex economic effects of
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everyone suddenly simultaneously becoming incredibly wealthy. Um. But this is
essentially what they think is going to happen. I mean
they really think that, um, once the truth is exposed,
it will lead to the end of yeah, like poverty
and conflict and even illness. Wow. And and there's no
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there's nothing concrete that this is based on other than
what sound like predictions, to be honest, from the from
the person you mentioned before we kind of started. No,
it's it's fueled on nothing but hope and some like
I said, some some vague economic proposals made by in
a Texas engineer that never got any traction in Congress. Yeah,
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it sounds very cute and on. Um, that's very interesting.
Thank you, And I wanted to ask you as well, UM,
while you're here, are you surprised how many followers there
still are of Q on the tide agrams. There's hundreds
of thousands of people still invested invested in this, you
know what I mean? Maybe I was being naive. I
was quite shocked to see how many people are still
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holding on. I'm unfortunately, I'm not surprised just because of
how long I've been following it and and um, how
often I've seen them weather false predictions. Uh. For example,
all the way back in two thousand and eighteen, I
saw Q tell Q and on followers that the midterm
elections that year would lead to a red wave and
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meaning that the Republicans would like increase their UM. There
are majorities and the Democrats would be shut out, and
reality what happened was that Democrats took the house. I
thought this was a clear false prediction that I thought
it would dissuade quman On followers from continuing to believe.
Of course, that didn't happen at all. So Ever, since then,
I realized that a lot of these people they're simply
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too invested. They've invested too much time, They've sacrificed too much,
They've sacrificed sometimes their family relationships, they've sacrifice their careers,
um and so as a consequence of all that sacrifice,
there's just there's actually really don't see a scenario in
which they would just totally give it up. They really
need us to happen. Trevis view the speaking about Nassara
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and the inability for q and On's to let go
despite the many, many failed predictions. Like Trevis just said, there,
these people need this to happen. They've invested so much
time and energy into it that basically this has to
happen for them, otherwise it has been a huge waste
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of time. Now, you and me, you might just think, well,
if something fails, if it wasn't right, you kind of
cut your losses and you leave that start. Well, No,
for a lot of the Q and On supporters, things
have got extremely dark. There are people whose whole families
have been destroyed by this, and there is even the
possibility that one woman was sent so insane by the
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Q and On mania that she actually committed to murders.
We will be talking about that in the next episode
of Q Clearance and looking into the ways that this
conspiracy theory has done and continues to destroy people's lives.
It's quite funny to look at some of the insane theories,
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especially looking at Nassarah as we just have. But genuinely,
there is some very bad things happening here to people
that believe in Q and On and the families and
the people that are around them. More on that in
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