Deciding Fast + Getting Things Done with Kenzie Elizabeth

If Martha Stewart and Nancy Meyers had a baby with Wi-Fi, it would be Kenzie Elizabeth. She launched her YouTube channel at sixteen, turned hobbies into businesses (needlepoint! dinner parties! book club!), and built a home brand, Friend of Mine. Kenzie shares:

• How she became “all walk, no talk”: buying a house at 24, moving states, learning power tools, and deciding fast.
• Gut vs. anxiety: the practice she uses to hear her own voice over everyone else’s.
• The moment she realized she was people-pleasing in business—and shut down a brand to start Friend of Mine.
  Monetizing hobbies without losing joy: needlepoint canvases, hosting, gardening, reading, and more.
• Why she loves the internet (and doesn’t want to disappear when things get hard).
• Faith ≠ church: keeping a spiritual life while her relationship with religion evolves.
• Grief, friendship breakups, and who actually shows up.
• Gen Z x millennial hot takes: boundaries, therapy-speak, and the loneliness epidemic.
• Hosting 101: the “lazy girl” theme hack, real hostess gifts, and why a curated guest list is kindness.
• Nashville “signs,” answered prayers, and choosing ease when it appears.
• The business side: freelancers, fulfillment, and the surprising truth about who buys first.
• Podcast nerdery: best traits in a guest, overused phrases, and quick-fire hosting favorites.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
No one has all the answers, but when we ask
the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths,
closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come
together to challenge the status quo and our own ways
of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not?

(00:28):
And who says?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
So?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Come curious, dig deep, and join the conversation. It's time
to question everything. Hello, my friends, I hope you're having
a really great week. I can't believe that we're like
in mid November already. I'm starting to think about the
new year and my New year planning. And last year

(00:53):
I did a big New Year's New kind of reset
episode in how to Goal Plan, and I'm going to
do that again this year. I'm already kind of planning
it out and I'm definitely going to download that form
again so that we can plan together, So look out
for that. And also, I'm going to be talking with

(01:14):
you guys on Zoom through the holidays, so as always,
if you want to send a screenshot of you sharing
the episode with two friends or writing a review, you're
entered to win the raffle to zoom with me. Okay,
let's get into today's episode. So if Martha Stewart and
Nancy Myers had a baby with Wi Fi, it would
be Kenzie Elizabeth. Let me start from the beginning. Kenzie

(01:37):
launched her YouTube channel at sixteen years old. She turned
her life into a business before she could legally drink,
and now, after a decade online, she's built an entire
ecosystem around being herself, hosting parties, needle pointing, creating, connecting.
She's the host of the House Guest podcast, the founder
of Friend of Mine, and somehow manages to make domestic

(01:59):
life look aspirational and real. She's the girl who will
needle point with Grandma's on Thursday, throw a Nancy Meyer's
themed dinner party on Friday, and then ship product orders
by herself on Saturday. Kenzie and I are friends. We
met through the podcasting world years ago, and one of
the things I've always loved about her, aside from the
obvious you know she's warm and funny and so easy

(02:22):
to connect with, is that Kensie goes for it. Check
her TikTok or her YouTube out and you'll see what
I mean. Buy a house at twenty four, she'll figure
it out. Move states because she needs a change done easy.
If the house needs painting, she's rolling up her sleeves,
and if there's a power tool involved, she's already googled
how to use it. She's decisive and scrappy and basically

(02:45):
allergic to waiting for permission. Here's a funny example. For years,
she wasn't interested in dating. We would always talk about it.
She was like, not interested, don't want to do it,
and then recently she decided to do a twelve date
challenge for YouTube. Okay, and by date number four she
had a boyfriend. Kenzi is just a doer, and I
like to think of myself as a doer too, But
I don't know about you. Sometimes I feel stuck in things.

(03:07):
I'll analyze or future cast or make pros and cons lists,
and then I kind of hear that phrase in my
head and I guess I say it to myself, which is,
you're not a tree. Move Danielle. And that's what I
so admire about Kenzie. She doesn't over philosophize change. She
just moves, and she trusts herself enough to take the
step before she's sure it's perfect. She is undeniably a

(03:28):
product of this post everything, hustle, hard DIY internet moment,
and she conveys that quality that I think we're all
chasing online realness. So today is a pretty casual conversation.
We cover the gamut, how she learned to trust her
gut over everyone else's advice, how the grief of her
brother dying reshaped her friendships, and why she believes in
faith but not perfection. So the question we're circling today

(03:51):
is whose voice is running your life? Yours or everyone else's.
It's time to question everything with Kenzie Elizabeth. Some describe
you as a walking Pinterest board. What is one quote,
to outfit or aesthetic that you are living by this season?

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I would say I love even though I don't fully
live this, but I love the slow like country living.
Life just feels so good. Country core life, Yes, country core.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
What do you think surprises people when they meet you
in person?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I think that I'm literally the exact same.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Either that or I feel like everyone would assume that
I'm very high maintenance and I'm actually not. Like I
grew up with eight siblings, so you don't really have
that liberty. But I would say either that I'm literally
the exact same, or that I'm actually not high maintenance.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
I think you are the exact same.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, I talk the same. When I'm like vlogging on YouTube,
I feel i'm face haiming a friend.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
If anything. I think I might be funnier in person
because you have something to react to. You're very funny. Yes,
thank you so much, but like people do not know
that on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
What's something that you believed about yourself at twenty that
you've let go of?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Oh my god, I mean so much. At twenty.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
I was way more likely to listen to what other
people were telling me I needed to do then listen
to myself.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
And I think that's great. I personally love advice.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
From people that I want to be more like. But
I was relying far too heavily on people's opinions that
I admired. So I think maybe it's like didn't really
trust myself or I didn't think that I was going
to make good decisions on my own. Yeah, and I
would actually go back and probably change majority of those. Like,
there's people that I dated that I would have never
dated in my right mind. There's choices that I made

(05:34):
career wise. I would put things on hold to like
serve their vision more. So I don't regret most of that,
but I think that I would go back and I
would do it differently.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Now.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
For sure, you shared your life in your twenties so openly.
Does privacy look different.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
To you now?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
There's things in my life that feel like more sacred
that I don't share, that are just more like emotional. Yeah,
privacy is different when I was younger, especially in college,
Like when you're logging every day, you're with your friends
all the time, so there was always so many different people,
and I think that, like, my relationships are a lot
more private now.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
One of the things I've noticed about you can see
is like you have never, at a young age, never
been afraid to make big decisions, like you move states,
you bought a house, you bought a car, like things
that people get nervous about in their thirties, forties and fifties,
and you just push forward. What is that?

Speaker 2 (06:29):
That's actually my favorite quality about myself.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Like there's a lot of things I don't like, but
I'm very decisive and it's gotten me in a lot
of trouble and I haven't always been your right decisions,
But I'm like whatever, the opposite of all talk is.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
That's me.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Like if I was second, I am all walk. Yeah,
I just have like a gut feeling.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I follow it.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
I always say like I am Hawaian because I had
a dad who like really thought I could be president.
Like my dad just believes me so much. So I
think that I had the safety of that relationship and
someone always backing me. That definitely made it a lot easier.
I don't think I would have been like that if
it were for that relationship.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
But yeah, I'm very critical of your decisions.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Ever, he's not critical, but he's the first person to
tell me I'm wrong. Like he's not the dad that's
like my perfect angel daughter who's never done anything wrong
in her life. I'm literally my dad, Like we're so similar.
So I think a lot of the decisions that I
make like he gets it. So he's not necessarily critical.
He's very supportive.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, there's definitely things that I've done that he hasn't loved,
but he just kind of lets me live.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
That's you be you. Is there any advice that you
would give to your younger self who is just starting out, Like,
is there anything you wish you could tell her.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
I started when I was sixteen, Like I was so young,
I would say, you don't want to appeal to everyone.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
I was really focused.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
On being very broad and appealing to like a mass audience.
And I wish I would have gone a little bit
more like niche and specific, because what I didn't realize
is that I wasn't connecting with people as much as
I could be because I was trying to make everything
so broad to where it appealed to, like the masses,
but really.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Like trying to find your crowd. And I think that
helped me back.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Do you ever feel like you're outgrowing the identity that
you've created, and if so, how do you deal with that?

Speaker 3 (08:10):
No, because it grows with me, Like my whole platform
is me, which I do kind of hate a lot,
like I get so tired of myself, But because it's me,
I feel like it's.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Just always evolving with me.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I do sometimes think like have I lost to so
much my audience in becoming like a grandma? Like I
was so crazy and fun before, you know, I don't
ever feel like I've outgrown it because it's always growing
with me, Like simultaneously.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Have you lost your audience or I feel like you've
gained audience since being a grandma.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
I don't know, Like there could have been all these
people who stopped, and there could have been all these
new people and then it just evened out.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
But I don't think so. I think people like, even if.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
They don't relate to the whole grandma thing, I think
they can get down with it for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, I think so too. Hopefully does any part of
you ever want to get offline?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
No, I really love it.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
I always hear people who are like, I want to
make a lot of money, and then like you'll never
hear from me again, Like, I truly love it, Like
you could make billions and you'll be I would still
want to do it. Like I love making videos, I
love podcasts.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I really love it. I would still be doing it.
It's really amazing I was doing when I was making
no money.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
You know, is there a lesson about monetizing your life
that no one prepared you for?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
No. I have found a way to monetize every single
thing in my life.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
I love hobbies and that's my whole thing. But I've
monetized all my hobbies.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
What does that mean? Give me specifics, like you get
paid to needle point.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Needle Point is one. We now sell a needle Point canvases.
We're like launching under a big needle point company. Hosting
dinner parties. I love cooking. I start a home brand
that's doing all of that. Reading, I have a book
club with the podcast Gardening. Will do stuff with that,
and even when it's a hobby, it's like I'm sharing it.
I feel like when I had less hobbies, it was
harder for me because I was like, Okay, everything feels
like a little bit of work, but I just have

(09:53):
so many hobbies and like, I love what I do
and it just is all kind of come together. In
my earlier twenties, though, the reason I got so into
hobbies was because I didn't really have anything outside of
like work and going out. So I wanted to have
something to my life that I found interesting.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
The coolest part about hobbies or the people that you
connect with. That's why people don't tell you about hobbies.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Is that I have so many people in my life
that I would have never met had it up and
hobbies like the ranch hand at the ranch I go to,
I talked to like very frequently, like I have my
people at the farmer's market that like sell me plants
that I taught. Like it's just so cool. Need appointing.
I go and like, you know all these grandma. I
was like, you know, that's my dream. You meet a
lot of like really cool people. I think in my
earlier twenties it was hard because it didn't feel like

(10:34):
I was ever like clocking out in a way.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
But like I have a cool shop ever, so it's
like not the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
So I started hobbies to not monetize them, and then
I like build whole business around that.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
So like that's kind of about the door.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
How did you know how to build a business?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
People really underestimate YouTube. When I went to school, I
majored in business, and I was so surprised by how
many things I'd learned just being in that space. I
maybe didn't know the actual term or what it was,
but I really did learned so much doing YouTube for
like a couple of years prior. And I also just
like love it. You can learn so much to like
podcast in books, in just by doing I've learned way

(11:09):
more in those areas than I ever did in school.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Give me nitty gritty, like because you have a right
hand person who's helping you create all these products, or
you're doing this solo.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
So the business is just me.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
We do have people that are freelanced, that are heavily involved,
like I couldn't do it without them, Like we are
building a team, but there's no one full time.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I'll give you an example, like all the card games
I ship out of my apartment.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Okay, No, we do have a fulfillment center.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Okay I can't.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah that I can't do. But we don't have like
full time employees.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
We do have like teams and vendors that are obviously
like making the products and not like doing that.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, but I'm not mailing them.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
I go to a PO box to drop things off.
But I'm amazed by mail, Like the fact that we
can get things from one place to another so quickly
blows my mind.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
No, that does blow my mind. That to me is crazy.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Sometimes I'll like mail so the out I CAMPLI this
is going to be like so and So's house, like
so like you know, after something. I asked a lot
of questions, and honestly, I was so lucky with the
podcast because I was able to interview and be in
rooms with all of these very successful entrepreneurs that I
would have never been in the same room as otherwise.
So I was able to learn up close to like
so many other people so cool years leading up to it.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
So I got really lucky.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
That's so cool. Have you always been that girl or
did you have like a glow up at any point
in your life?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Like what do you mean by that? Girl?

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Like, I feel like people are drawn to you, like
you sparkle, thank you, And I'm wondering if that's always
been the case or if you can pinpoint a moment
where something changed.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
This reminds me of something that you've said to me.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
How Like I wasn't the cutestin school, but I thought
I was, like I've always felt that way, like I've
always had that energy.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, I don't know if that was always true, And it.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Really depends on who you ask for sure, But I
was like clast favorite in the yearbook. I was very involvable. Also,
I was like going to court for truancy. Yeah, I
was like really working in the system there. But I
just like people, like, I don't know. I was always
very talkative. I was always very social. I was always
one who was like planning the parties and the surprise
birthday parties and.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
All that stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I think something that I have noticed about you that
is funny is that people would not expect that you
have done so much deep in our work because you
don't talk about it all the time. It's not like
your brand. But you are so into self development books.
You're so into bettering yourself. Was that always the case? Yes,

(13:34):
from a young age.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Oh my god, my whole life.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
I always joke that my dad is like at my
let just like minus the billions of dollars, Like he
is so into leadership.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
He's always been so into self development.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
He was a huge athlete growing up, so he really
got that I think mindset from being an athlete.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
But no, I've always been so much.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
I was reading self help books in like high school,
in middle school. Actually really it's crazy. Back then it
was more like Christian based books. But yeah, I woul
always doing stuff. What was the book that started at
all for you? I don't know if there's one book.
As a kid, I just remember always having them and
I was in therapy like starting in fifth grade.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
So I feel like that kind of led me down
that path a little bit.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, I can't think of.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
One book though before like eighteen that I remember, but
I was reading them, Like I don't know how much
it actually did.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
For me, but I was doing it, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
So your company is called friend of Mine and it
even has the word friend in it. When I think
of you, I think of a truly good friend. You
are a solid friend to a lot of different people
who taught you how to be a good friend.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I don't know if I was taught to be a
good friend as much as that was just something that
I cared so much about.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I also got very lucky at a young age.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
So many of those people I'm still like the people
I was texting on the way here, I've known since
I was eight.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Also, I think my childhoo best.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Friend was an only child, and my home life at
the time was very tumultuous and like really all over
the place. And I love my family, we're so close style,
but it was just very rocky. So I think that
that friendship like really shaped me a ton looking back,
because we were kind of each other's family, and that's
really I would say where I like learned more so

(15:11):
to be a good friend. I think maybe from other
people around me. I don't think it was so intentional.
My parents didn't like sit down and say, like we
value friendship. I think it was just like something I
really wanted.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I asked because one of my favorite qualities about my
mom is I think she's a really good friend to people.
But like you said, we never sat down and talked
about friendship. I think I watched her, like when her
friend Susan had breast cancer, she would go and drop
food off every week, and she just really shows up
for people. But I do think that like in my twenties,

(15:42):
I took pieces of friendship. I don't know how to
say this, Like I watched my friends be friends and
I thought, oh, that was so nice how she showed
up for me. That felt good. I should do that
for other people, and I would like take all these
little pieces. Have you experienced that at all?

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yes? And I actually think the biggest influence as far
as friendship would go, would just be like Texas culture,
That's just kind of how it is.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Like I was surrounded by so many people who were
such good friends and were always showing up, and like
witnessing that definitely led me to want to do that
more like my parents.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
They weren't like so social when I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
They weren't like friends around all the time, and I
think maybe I wanted that.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't really know.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
I do think it's like the culture of Texas though
like Texas is the very like welcoming place. It's very
like Texas or die It's very community based, like people
are always showing up for each other. Honestly, having a
church background, I think it's a huge part of it
because we were all so close, like my like youth
group friends and I were like so so so close,
Like we're still showing up for each other last week,

(16:43):
like with someone's experiencing a tragedy. So maybe it's Texas,
maybe it's a church background. I think it's a combination
of just seeing.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
All that what is showing up mean for you?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I think it.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Looks different depending on the situation and also depending on
the person. I think people are so scared to show
up for other people because they think that that means
you have to have all the answers, like you have
to go there and you have to talk to them,
you have to give them this advice, even when it's
this catastrophic.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Thing you've never experienced.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
And I think showing up for someone is actually very simple,
going and sitting on the couch with them for four hours,
Like you don't even have to speak, You don't have
to talk, you can watch a show. You actually probably
shouldn't offer advice if you don't have an experience, like
if someone's not asking for it. It just varies, and
then it could be like if you're a long distance
friend just calling checking in.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
It just depends on the friendship.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Is there anything that sticks out to you that a
friend's done that made you feel really loved or taken
care of?

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh mean, there's so much by like cheap best friends.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Dom and Macie have been like my lifeline since like
my brother passed away in January last year. Like I
cry every time I talk about it, because like they've
done everything. As soon as I found out, I texted
domin I was like I need to hear. I found
out probably two pm on a Sunday, and she was
in my bed at like ten beyond Sunday, Like.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
She was there so fast.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Wow, I think just like them consistently being there and
consistently showing up, Like I've learned so much about friendship
from specific my friendship with Domic.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
We've been first friends since you were like twenty years old.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, and we've gone through so many different like life
phases together, and I think that has been a friendship
has probably made the biggest impact.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
But I think they're such a good example of people
who just show up.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
It's like the best feeling in the world when you
call on a friend and they're there. Faith is a
really big part of your background. You touched on it

(18:33):
a little bit. Does it show up for you in
your life today?

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Still, Yeah, just in a different way. I think. Here's
the thing. I've like always had a pretty strong faith.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
My relationship with the church has definitely like ebbed and flowed.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
But even when I was like so out of.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
It and like couldn't even like hear a worship song,
it would like literally maybe want to punch someone into face.
Like even at that point, I still heard, like what
I felt was like a strong connection with God.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I don't know if you feel this way, but I
think like religion and a relationship with God can be
two separate totally.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
They're very different, and they've always been very different to me.
There's just been times where I've been like more involved
with church, and I think that's really where things go south.
And also like I love the church, Like I think
there's like so many amazing things about it. I don't
go religiously. I'm not always there, but I definitely see
the pros. I've made some of my best friends with
the word. I met don there.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Definitely it's been a journey for sure.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, but it is something that as much as I
like try to get away from it, it's always there.
Like as much as I try to get as far
away and I have no interest, I somehow always find
my way back. So I think I just kind of
have to stop fighting it. There's just something I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
I actually have never asked you this. Did you grow
up in a religious household or how did church become
so important to you?

Speaker 3 (19:53):
So I didn't grow up in a very religious household.
We would go on like Christmas in Easter occasionally, and
then my parents had a really bad divorce when I
was in middle school. And around that time I had
friends who really inviting me to youth group. Right, so
I go to youth camp. I'm obsassed, I'm dating the
pastor some Within a week of course, classic's.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
The most meathing has ever happened.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
And I like make all these friends and I like
loved it.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
So I started going on my own and then I
had a pretty bad, like traumatic experience there and I
stopped going.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I ended up moving to la and I ended up in.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
A Bible college, which is like so backwards and crazy.
So I didn't grow up and it was always my
own thing, which I think is largely white.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's always been more of a relationship.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Like I didn't grow up in like a religious environment, right,
and I've always been like a very progressive person, so
like I've never been like a conservative religious feel like
that's never been my thing, which is another issue.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
That I've had. So like it's very layered.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Do you pray?

Speaker 3 (20:50):
It's crazy, Like I just got a second place in Nashville,
And I had always had this feeling that I was
going to end up in Nashville at some point in
some capacity. I didn't really feel like it was going
to be full time. I just didn't know what that
was going to look like. Normally, you know me, I'm
so decisive. The second I have a feeling about something,
I do it. But for some reason, I just know
it's not yet. So Actually March of twenty twenty, were

(21:13):
in Nashville when like COVID hit and I just bought my.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
House in Texas and I have this feeling immediate. I
was like, oh my God. And I have these specific
feelings about moving.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Always, I was like, I'm going crazy. I just bought
a house in Texas. Isn't sing and feel insane? But
I just kind of clocked it in the back of
my head. I was always like, there's like something in Nashville.
I don't know what it is, but like eventually, fast
forward to February of this year, I was visiting some
friends in Nashville. I was there last minute. I wasn't
even supposed to be there. I booked my flight like
a day before. I was supposed to be there for
two days. I was there for six and I had

(21:44):
that feeling, but it was way stronger this time.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
How do you describe the feeling.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
It's just a really strong gut feeling to me.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
If something is a god thing, it's something that's like
coming into my mind that like I'm not really trying
to orchestraight, Like I wasn't trying to like actively move
to Nashville. At that point, and all of a sudden,
I started thinking about a lot, like it was coming
to mind a ton, and it wasn't something that like
I necessarily like wanted either. So in February I was
there and I was talking to a friend and I

(22:10):
was saying, like, I don't know what it is, but
I just feel like I'm supposed to do it sooner
or other than later.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I think this is like the shift that I need
to make in my life.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I just have this like very strong gut feeling, but
I also have this weird feeling that like, if it's
meant to be, it's going to be easy. And I
don't really subscribe to that like idea of life in general,
but for some reason, I just really felt strong, if
it's supposed to happen, it's going to happen. In that conversation,
he gets a text from his landlord because there's two
guest houses on this property.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
He gets at taxed from his landlord that.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
That guest house was opening up the date that I
wanted it. So I was like, that's so crazy because
all the other issues that I had too were all
solved by living in that house, like specifically versus like
another apartment or something in Nashville. So it was so crazy,
but it was like I prayed about it that week
and literally within days it happened, and it came together
so seamlessly, to the point where I was like, that
was the craziest thing.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
That's ever happened me.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Do you ever get signs?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yes? Do you get signs?

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Okay? So I grew up without a lot of religion
in my life at all, and I would say even
without faith, and I'm like culturally Jewish. And then I
moved to la and I met this guy. I actually
had him on the podcast, so I won't recount it,
but his name is Steve Carlston and he was the
GM of NBC and he was Mormon, and I watched

(23:27):
how he lived his life and I'd never been in
such admiration of somebody. And it was around the same
time that I started reading books like Oprah. That's was
the first time I picked up self development. And a
lot of these people that I was admiring virtually or
up close had some sort of faith. They were all
different religions. Some didn't even have religion, but they had

(23:47):
faith in something in FARSI like, God means the deepest
part of you. And I always have like loved that
idea of it, and I thought, I wonder if I'm
missing something because all these people I admire have such
deep faith. And I worked on and I worked on it,
and it would come and it would go, and I
would waiver and I would be skeptical, and then I
would feel something. And it wasn't until I dated the

(24:09):
last boyfriend I had. He was Catholic and he had
such a beautiful relationship with God, and I thought, whoa,
it like clicked for me and we don't necessarily worship
the same God. I don't know, like maybe we do.
It's the universe. I'm not sure what it is. But
ever since I became mindful like and noticing, signs have
showed up in my life. That was the long story

(24:30):
to say, like yes, and even though I noticed them,
I'm still skeptical because like the inner child in me
is like, is this for real?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
But by the way, I'm still like that, oh my God.
Still yes.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
I still am like I don't know is this real?
And I go through months where I am so disconnected
and then I'll get back. That's what I mean by
something always pulls me back in like there's always something,
But I still had that even when I think I
see something that I feel like is a sign, or
I get this idea out of nowhere, it's actually something
I was praying about and it's actually answered.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm always like, but was that an answer, Preyer or
was that just a coincidence? Always? Yeah, right, Even if
none of.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
This is real, I would rather live with the hope
that it is because it gives you something to believe
in that's greater than yourself, that's supposed to be bringing
people together.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Now.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Of course, religion, historically and even now it is being
used in a very negative way where it's doing the
complete opposite of that and like oppressing people, and that
is not what I subscribe to. But I think it's
a really beautiful thing to believe in something bigger than you.
Another thing too, that my family and I talk about
with grief is that when you have a loss that
is so close to you and so catastrophic and like

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feels like a part of you is like ripped out,
you almost have this like sixth sense where you feel
God so much closer to you, even though you're like
so angry and want like nothing to do with him,
But there's just so many things in life that I
feel like I have. It's weird to say advantage point
of because like, obviously it's not a positive, but I
feel like I can see things a lot clearer. It's

(25:58):
like grief, there's this thing where it makes everything in
the world so foggy you can't think straight. I still
have such bad brain fogg this morning when we're recording,
Like my brain fog is just so bad it can't
even like speak normally still. But at the same time,
you have this clarity of like understanding what really matters,
what's worth your time.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Anything that I.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Was confused about, like relationally or with people in my
life before, I think it was over time abundantly clear
to me what the answers were.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
And I think a lot of that has to do
with grief.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
I think it all kind of goes into this like
spiritual realm, whatever it is, where you just have this
like understanding when you experience such a loss and you
yourself are like crash into a billion pieces and having
to be put back together.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
You talk about your brother a lot on your podcast.
Is it hard to talk about him?

Speaker 3 (26:47):
It depends on my vibe that day, Like some days
I just can't at all, and other days, if I
can talk about it publicly, if I feel a little
more removed, Like today, I feel a little more removed.
I find a lot of healing in it, and like
connecting with other people in grief has been like beneficial
to me. And that's not everyone's experience, but I feel
a little bit of healing.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
I think, did you lose friends, Oh my god, because
you felt like people didn't show up for you?

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yes, that was my friend breakup. That's why it was
so catastrophic and like painful. I would say I didn't
lose many other friends because I felt that way. I
think I just changed, Like you're so different at the course,
like I've always been the same, but grief changes you
in so many different ways, and I just like didn't
have the energy for like so many other things.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
So you lose friendships in that way. I feel like overall,
like my friends really showed up.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
One of the things I love about my friendship with
you is that you're gen z and I'm a millennial.
I'm wondering what you think are great divide is like,
what do you notice is our biggest differences.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
One.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I think that gen Z there's this like narrative around
them being like very lazy and not wanting.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
To work and listen. Like that is true, I can
see it. But I also think that.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Gen Z is like brilliant, and I think that they
have so many good ideas and that there's so much
coming that's like great from gen Z. I think what's
happening too with gen Z is that gen Z is
like way over correcting millennials.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Like over correcting. What what did we do? Like we
were boundaries side parts.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
No, like think about like even something like boundaries, right,
We're like that wasn't really talked about in generations prior
to millennials, right, And then like I feel like gen
Z really took boundaries and ran with it so much
so to the point where like they are losing all
of their friendships by way of having quote boundaries, but
really they're just being selfish and not wanting to show
up for other people or like being a part of
a village, Like they don't want to do that. I

(28:38):
honestly think that they see to respect each other more
because like I.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Agree, I think that's what it is a lot to
learn from it.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Exactly, and like millennials paved the way. Have some respect
and gen Z like isn't dumb and lazy? Have some respect?
You know what I mean? I think that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I think you guys know a lot more than we did.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Do you think that's because of the amount of access
we have, like medioized.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I think the Internet held I think like what was
formerly known as Twitter helped in some ways too, because
you guys were like thinking in sound bites. You understood
how to be concise, how to be clear. The idea
of building a brand, which like every person is sort
of a brand in some ways, is so clear to
you guys. I think that's not just a therapy.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Though.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I have a hot take on boundaries.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
What do you think I don't love them, Okay.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I think a lot of times when you are thinking
about putting up a boundary, you're not coming from a
place of love. Gary Zukov talks about it, and he
can say it much more eloquently than I can. Listen.
If something is super toxic or violent, that's not included.
But like I tried putting up boundaries with my mom,
and I have to tell you, I'm way happier just

(29:46):
having things roll off my shoulder and laughing and being like,
you're so nuts, I love you, instead of putting the
boundary up and then being mad and not talking for
a little.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
I think we use like therapy talk as like a
which is quite literally the opposite of like what you're
supposed to be doing. I think boundaries have a place,
and I think they're good in areas. I really do
think we just have become too self focused and we
don't prioritize our relationship with other people nearly as much

(30:17):
as we should. Showing up in actually having long lasting
friendships and relationships in close family relationships does come at
a cost, Like you do have to make sacrifices, you
do have to be uncomfortable, you do have to put
your stuff on the back burner.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I don't think it's just bounding.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I think it's therapy speak in general, and I think
it's really weaponized in order to like validate our emotions
versus actually like process them and work through it and
get to the other side. I think instead, more often
than not, what's happening is that people are using their
therapists and their therapy speak to like reiterate their point
that they're right and everyone else is wrong around them.

(30:51):
I think that's really what's happening, and I think it's
detrimental to our relationships. And that's why we have this
like loneliness epidemic because people are not willing to be
a friend. They want all of it, but they don't
want to do it themselves.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
So interesting you say that, I saw this woman Moe
Digs put up a video where she said that when
you see a woman who's like throwing a dinner or
any event and you see a lot of people show up,
know that that's a woman who has shown up a
lot of times, who has said no to herself sometimes
in order to say yes to other people. And I

(31:24):
do think that's the case sometimes.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
And I think you just have to find the right
people to show up for so it doesn't feel like
it's a cost.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, like you can't do that for everyone in your life.
So like there is a quote boundary when it comes
to like certain people.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Who are just not the inner circle.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, I think that that's what it is. I think
with their inner circle, it's of course like in good health.
But I think that the conversation needs to here on
like showing up for people and being there and being
a friend versus like how to have boundaries.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Also, people aren't perfect. Let's like relax a little bit.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
I feel like you go with your gut, like you
go with your intuition a lot. How do you determine
what's intuition versus what's anxiety?

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Oh my god, this has been the question I've asked
myself my entire life.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I think one of them is louder for me.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
What I've realized is that for so long, I was
so busy listening to everyone else's voice in my life
and not my own, and I didn't even have like
a relationship with myself. I didn't know what I wanted
because I'd relied on everyone else to tell me. So
I started spending a lot of time alone. I started journaling.
Even when I was obsessed with self help, I was
still listening to all the outside voices. So I had

(32:31):
to almost like try a little less and just get
quiet and get to know my voice better or like
what I believe to be like God's voice or whatever.
I had to spend time alone and get to know
myself to even understand that. I also kind of want
to say it's like ones out of fear and the
other one isn't. But I think fear and being scared
or different, Like I think anxiety is out of fear.

(32:53):
You can have a gut feeling and be nervous, and
you can be scared. But I think when you're making
a decision out of fear, you're making it out of
like feeling insecure.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I don't think there's.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Like one easy blanket answer, but I do think a
lot of it comes from like getting quiet.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I think a lot of our.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Answers in life come from like just being quiet with yourself,
which is the last thing that any of us want
to do.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
So it's not the fun answer, but I think for
me that's what's.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Worked me too. That's why, like we always get good
ideas in the car and the shower. It's not like
a coincidence. It's places where we either don't have our
phone or we're quiet. Yeah, friend of Mine feels like
such a natural extension of your aesthetic and your values.
What was the first seed of the idea?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
I had wanted to do a recipe journal for like
the podcast merch years ago, and I kept saying, like
we need to do recpee journals. We need to do
recipe journals, and like with merch, you can't really just
create a full product.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
That's not really how that works.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
So what's a recipe journal.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
It's a journal for recipes, so like you fill in
your own recipe.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Oh cool.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
So that was like our very first product and that's
what I really wanted to do. And over time then
I got really into hosting and I really want like
a tabletop line. There was just so many things, and
then as time went on, I started to.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Think, this is a brand. This isn't just like a
single merch product.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
So it really started from there, and I had a
brand before that we had shut down. And looking back now,
if I could tell myself, like I knew that it
wasn't what I was supposed to be doing, but I
was people pleasing, which is so unlike me. I'm not
a people The day it launched, I was like, I
just don't think this is the right fit.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
And again it goes back to I just thought I
was nervous.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
I thought I was just afraid because I couldn't tell
if it was anxiety or if it was a gut feeling,
and I felt like it was anxiety. The whole time.
Looking back now, I now see that it was a
gut feeling. We did that for about a year and
then we just wanted different things, so we ended up
shutting that down. And literally the day that we closed
that company, or we decided that we were going to close,

(34:50):
I had one thousand ideas and I was like alive again,
and I was so excited, and I'd already contacted so
many people about logos and brandings and websites.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I just like knew that that was when I was
to do.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
But looking back, that was my biggest lesson and like
that was an anxiety, that was a gut feeling, but
I was ignoring myself because I didn't want to disappoint
people around me, which is not their fault.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Like that was completely me. But now I know.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Now you know that you're Martha Stewart.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
No, and now like I want to be Martha Stewart.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
What's been the most unexpected challenge to launching a brand?

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I don't even think anything unexpected.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
I think it's just hard, Like it's so hard, it's
so hard, and it wasn't something that I didn't know
going into it.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I'm trying to think of something.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
I shouldn't say it's so hard it takes everything out
of you.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, I agree with that because I don't feel like
what I'm doing is killing me, because it's like giving
me energy because I love it. But it's not an
easy thing. But I think that just shows like I'm
doing what I meant to be doing. And I feel
the way about all of my friends who are entrepreneurs.
It's like the hours and the amount of like blood,
sweat and tears, and I'm financing all of it, like
all my money. Everything comes back to me like if

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we're not paying. It's a lot of like mental energy.
But I just love it so much that I don't
feel dreamed from it.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
When I launched Question Everything, I only ordered two hundred
card games because I was so nervous no one would
buy them. And I thought, well, at least I could
sell two hundred to friends and family. I know two
hundred people that could buy a card game, I think.
And on Shopify, which is a website where you sell things,
you can see all the orders that come in, and
so I go live. I put the video up on

(36:39):
Instagram and you hear the little.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
King kuching like those things.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
It's the best sound on shopify right, and I look
to see who bought them. First of all, my mom
didn't buy one, none of my family members bought them,
none of my good friends bought them. The first I
would say thirty to forty people who bought were female entrepreneurs,
some of them that I knew well, some that I
didn't know all. And I knew in that moment why

(37:03):
they bought the card game, and it was because they
knew how hard it was to do anything, you know,
and they had respect. So now when anybody I know
launches anything, even if I don't want it, I'll gift
it Sam I'm their first fire.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
I buy anything anyone launches, like I am always buying it.
I feel that it's never the people closest to you
that are really like the most supportive with your business.
It's always the people who are like almost like two
people remove. Yeah, like not so close, but they are
the most supportive, especially people who understand building a small business.
I have this hosting closet that's like this really really

(37:38):
extra closet where I keep all of.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Myself to host. In this closet, it's wallpaper.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
By the way, I have a cookbook wall and I
keep like recipe journals there, and I keep a bunch
of cookbooks.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
And I saw that I had like.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
A Wishbone kitchen cookbook and it was like a paper cookbook.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
And I'm like, when did I get that? I happen
to see because she just launched a new cookbook.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
She made a video saying forever ago I published my
own cookbook.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I bought five hundred copies.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
I did it on TikTok, and like, now it's so
crazy because now I'm doing this whole cookbook and I'm
so excited about it.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Now She's a New York Times bestsellert launch last week.
I don't even know her about.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
The way the people literally never spoken and so I
guess years ago I didn't connect the doss with that
was her cause I wasn't like actively following.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
At that point.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
I just saw this girl on TikTok with this cookbook
and I bought it. But like that is a female entrepreneur,
Like you are just constantly buying things because like I've
sold so much products in the past, Like I understand it.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
So I am like the first to.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Buy yep, always always. I don't know a lot about
hosting the only things I know are from Prea Parker's
book The Art of Gathering. She taught me that it's
not good to be a lazy host, which I think
I used to be in the past because I thought
I was a chill host. Okay, I thought I was.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Like, where whatever you want, I don't care where you sit.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
And Priya Parker taught me no, like rules are actually
a gift to people when you're hosting. What is your
best lazy girl hosting tip?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
A theme?

Speaker 3 (38:59):
I think theme saves to day and it makes people
get so much more involved in it. Most recently, I've
been going through and hosting a dinner party to every
Nancy Meyers movie and it's been so fun because people
come and they dress up as characters. And I say
lazy because like it is lazy, Like you have a
theme and then everything is kind of set for you.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
It makes it easier on you, makes it easier on
the guest.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
And we actually started with Christmas time. During Christmas, I
did a dinner party that was a holiday theme, which
is my favorite movie ever, and it was so fun,
like all of us came dressed up as like different
characters and we had like Christmas Betta.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Chini and I had Aveline wine because that's Cameron Tino's's wine.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Like it was so fun and it does feel like
you're going the extra step, but really it's lazy because
everything's planned for you. Like you actually have like structure,
and your guests are more likely to get into.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
It when they have a theme.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Okay, I like that you have a template almost literally.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
We actually on the front of my website we have
one hundred hosting theme ideas that you can just like
download because I'm so aboptionate about themes, Like it makes
it so much easier, especially when you're in your twenties,
Like your friends don't really know how to be a guest.
Like you can tell who grew up in like a
southern home or like a mom that hosts based on
like when they're coming out, like immediately, I can tell,
but they don't really like, Oh tell me, they're bringing

(40:13):
a host of skifts. Okay, they're saying thank you so much,
they're bringing things. They'll never just show up. They're always
on time. I never really cared about that.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
This is something I like to do. But you can
tell like.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Immediately, like always, what's your favorite host of skiff.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Okay, I personally like love a candle because I'm always
burning candles.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I love an olive oil.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I love love it all oil. I think Friend of
Mine's a perfect toasting gifts. Actually those are the best,
but I think olive oil. And I also love flowers,
like I love getting flowers.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
That's nice, So I think that those are sweet.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
I heard Ina Garden say this once, and I think
it's such a good tip when it comes to hosting gift.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Don't bring anything.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
As a gift that you were running out and served
that night, because it's an extra responsibility on the host
and it's like ruining kind of like they're like function
unless you bring it and it's already plated and ready
to go and you don't even needs to grab anything
from them. I think true good hostess gift is something
that they are.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Going to use later.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, I agree with you. Something Martha Stewart taught you.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Oh my god, I mean literally everything.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
She is such a trailblazer and just does not care,
like truly truly does not care and just like does
whatever she wants. I think Martha Stewart has just taught me,
in probably millions of other women, like how to evolve
because she published her first cookbook at forty one. It
was not a cookbook, it was an entertaining book, and

(41:38):
used to work on Wall Street. She left, she started
a catering business, then she launched this book, and then
I mean, you know, she's had prison time, she had
many different eras, and like she's consistently evolving and evolving
with the times, and I just love that. Like, I
feel like she's at the peak of her career eighty,
which is incredible, and.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
She doesn't let like age.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Or anything take her out, Like she's just going till
the end of time, which I really respect and I
think is very cool because especially as women, you feel
like you have like a ticking clock, whether it's fertility
or age that you can be on camera or whatever
it is.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
And like Martha has defied all those.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Odds, and I just think that's so cool, especially she's
so ahead of her time for that.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
You love older women so much.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
I'm obsessed with them, Yeah, literally obsessed.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Finish this sentence. The older I get, the more I
realize I know nothing a book that changed your life
something you think everybody should read.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
The Gap and The Gain, The what the gap and
the gain. I've never had a chancel of that. It's amazing.
It's amazing if you are an Enneagram three and over achiever,
first daughter, and it talks about why you never feel
like you're doing enough or achieving enough or producing enough
or whatever. Like it teaches you how to live from
the gain versus the gap. It's so good, incredible.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
As an oldest daughter, I need to read. Okay, one
thing every woman should try once.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh my gosh, what would you say?

Speaker 1 (42:53):
An incredible love affair, Like even if it's for a weekend.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I think you should, like go to Europe and just
like have a time, just have a time, just have
a time. I'm trying to think of something I've actually done.
I think spending an extended period of time. It doesn't
even necessarily have to be a move, but like, if
you really like a location, I think just spending a
month there, Like maybe you fall in love, just do
something by yourself, Like I think that a month alone
will change your life.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I like that you said alone time. You can even
do it if you're in a relationship with somebody totally,
but like go for two weeks to a different location alone, yeah, yeah, okay,
grab the question everything card game, pick a card.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Okay, what's your all time most memorable meal. I'm shockingly
not a foodie. Isn't that insane because I love.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Cooking, Okay, but I don't actually mean the food.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
That's a dinner.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, like the vibe which feels so right for you.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
I hosted this dinner party once and it was last summer.
I always had like a Nancy Meyer's playlist in the background.
It was like a summer theme when we're talking. And
it was a really small, intimate group of girls. I
love to invite people over that I don't know, like,
I think it's really cool to get like recommendations from
other people.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
I think it just makes like hosting so much more fun.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
These were all girls that i'd really kind of just met,
and they're all telling the stories about how they met
their husband and they're significant others or crazy things that
have happened in their life. And one of them was
telling this like beautiful story. It was an insane story
of how she met her husband. And as she's telling
the story, the music it all like movie scoring. It's
getting louder and louder. It's like as she's telling this
like beautiful story. The music's in the backgroundight, like literally

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felt like you were in a movie. I think about that,
like every time I my dining.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
In it was crescendoing.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yes, it was so crazy and it really felt like
it was a movie.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I definitely have a better one that's like more like
life teaching.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
All though, that was a perfect answer.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
You don't need another one.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Throw the cards back, and we're going to play a
game called host with the Most. Okay, I'm going to
name a hosting situation. You have to answer really fast.
What would you either do, serve or say? Okay, okay.
You're hosting a last minute dinner party. What's your go to.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Dish in a garden? Engagement Chicken?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Three people dead are alive that you'd see at your
dream dinner table.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Dolly Parton, Martha Stewart in a garden. But I would
put Martha and I on all of a sudden, Actually no,
I wouldn't. I put them together make it more entertaining.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
You're curating a playlist. What's song number one?

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Anything on a Nancy Meyer's playlist? Like I'm always playing
Nancy Meyer's playlist and they haven Nancy Myers playlist. By
the way, for everything, bridal showers, parties, bachelorettes, there's music
morning like all of it.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
What's one thing that instantly elevates a table, dim lit candles,
a hosting ick, people who flay right before? What's your
signature drink?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
I've recently gotten really into an ininegarden Cosmo, which I
was not into them before.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Okay, this works exactly for you because you just did this.
You're in charge of a bridal shower activity. What are
you doing?

Speaker 3 (45:51):
I think showers in general are like pretty chuggy like
and they're not very fine then like chegi is a
chegy word now I understand that, but there's no other
way to describe that. No, I agree, and like, no
one actually has fun as a showers. I think we
should like ban showers and do dinner parties and just
change it as a whole. I'm meant, please, I'm like
throwing a baby shower right now, and we're like having
the hardest time.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
There's definitely like cute things here.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Baby showers are easier. Bridal showers are really hard to
make fun and not choogy.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
They're literally so hard and also wires in the middle
of the dam. I'm so tired, and then you have
to have bright lighting. They're just not fun to do.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Clean up as people are there? Do you wait till
everyone's gone?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
I wait till everyone's gone. It's rude to start cleaning before.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
It's different when people because I have friends who will
just stay for hours, so like please just like help
me clean, Like that's one thing.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
But I wait for.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Everyone to leave before because once you start cleaning, that's
a sign that you want them to leave, and like
I don't want them to leave, so you shouldn't do that.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Is there like an etiquette book?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I would say the art of gathering is one like
you don't want your dinner party to end.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
By like nine pm. I hate when I spend like
a week on a dinner party. I'm doing this whole thing,
and then a friend is like, I'm tired. All right, guys,
we're done, and it's like you're done, not everyone else.
I just think it's so rude, Like I.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Think that's such a faux pa. I hate it.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
I think it is so rude, Like it actually makes
me so angry. I'm like, I've spent all this time,
Like you don't want a dinner party to end by nine,
Like that's not the sign of a good dinner party.
But like one person can ruin it, Like one person
can be like I'm leaving, we should all go because
like they don't want to miss out on something.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Like that is so rude. Trys me insane.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Okay, this is a podcast speed round. This is social only,
no overthinking, fast answers already. What's the worst thing someone
can do on the mic e best icebreaker question?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
You know, what is a question that I like? It's
not really an icebreaker, but I think like best purchase
you've made under fifty dollars in the past month, And
that's such a fun one.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
It's a good tim Ferris okay. Most underrated podcast guest
trait someone who like answers beyond the question. I think
is like the best kind of guest you can get.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
So when you're interviewing.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Them and they answer and they're just like smiling at
the end, it's like make it more of a conversation,
loosen up a little bit, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I agree, like yes, anding, yes, Okay. Most overused podcast
phrase that you hear probably everything that I say.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Everyone's been asking. It's more of an influencer thing, but probably.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
That your personal podcast pet peeve.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
I hate when someone has a guest on and they
ask all the same questions if they've been ask a
million times, Like if you're asking a question you can google, like,
you should not be doing that.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
One guest that made you totally rethink something.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Susie Welch your go to listen World Tres's podcast my
all time favorite.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
I've like never missed an episode.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Okay, one more host thing is this is just social
this or that charcouterie board or full sit down meal,
full sit down meal, game night or deep conversation.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Deep conversation, please my god, man game nights unless it's Mojong.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Gold flatware or vintage silver, vintage silver, wine and records,
or Espresso Martinis in a playlist.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Now espresso Martini is in a playlist host with a
plan or host on vibes host with a plan.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Take your shoes off or leave them on.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Because I personally don't care at all that people have
shoes on, but I think it's more comfortable and people
take them off.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Fresh flowers or candle overload, kindle overload, instagram lebill set
up or cozy chaos.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
It's turo will set up. I guess Cosey chaos is
just like you being a lazy host. And as we
know from the art of gathering, you don't want that.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
No, you don't want to be a chill host.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
You know what. I love that she said in that book.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Tell me, I am gonna misquote it, as I do
literally everything that anyone's ever said in their life. She
talks earlier on in the book about how you actually
need to be exclusive and not invite everyone. I have
noticed in myself that I've done at the service to
my guests many times by inviting either too many people
or being too welcoming, and I should have curated the

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crowd a little bit better. And I've learned that now
at his table that I have handcrafted and the people
that are invited are invited for a reason because I
think that like one of them would like the other person,
or they could learn something from each other, or they're
in similar field, or they read similar books. Like who
I invite to each dinner party is like a perfectly
crafted thing, and I will not be inviting to everyone
to everything anymore, because I think that that is like

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a side of a lazy host and I've been a
lazy host.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
I don't think it's lazy because I think you and
I share this. We don't like people feeling left out. Yeah,
and so it's a more like a come one, come all.
But when you're hosting a specific theme, it's hard.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Totally and it makes people just like not as committed
to like the night because they're like, oh, come and go,
and it's like, no, it's not come and go, it's
see to dinner at seven thirty. Like I said, Yo,
Like I'm really jellou swear, how do you really feel?
That's the only time that I'm like actually uptight because
it's disrespectful of everyone else's time.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Like that's what makes me mad.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Okay, you know what time it is. Today's a good day.
To have a good day. I'll see you next week.