Gina Yashere

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Quest Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio.
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.
I'm Questo, your host. Uh. We have a team Supreme
with us, right him now now, Uh, what's up Steve?

(00:20):
I never go to you first. How how's your life?
That's how your life is? Is that a word? Yeah?
You know? Everything's great man, New York City. We're opening up,
got a full audience, talent show. Everything feels good. Um mentally,

(00:41):
I'm a wreck. Thanks for asking. Let's me Okay, we're
gonna find out why you Maybe you can get a
reading from our guest today. Contolo is also here with us.
What's going on, bro? I'm good? Oh I'm good Man
down twenty three pounds. Man, that louder day I usually am. Okay, alright,

(01:08):
if she couldn't, I appreciate the enthusiasm. Now, man, you
inspired me. Man, that's what's up there. That is what's
up because count and count. Yeah. I was about to
say that, Um, I'm the king of like you know,
doing zero to one on the autoboon and then when
you just gotta do that like that last dirty did

(01:30):
you start laxing off? Yeah? Right, now I'm drinking and
eating dandylions and other eat those horrible just don't but
you don't eat them to you you eat? I tried.
I tried, Madelions. If you do two weeks of this

(01:51):
dandylion juice that I'm doing, that's that I could probably
drop like forty pounds everybody. I'm just I'm just trying
to get to yeah, exactly, alright, last cool. She's rather
disgusted by just said. No, I'm excited. I'm excited to

(02:12):
have Gina or I'm excited. Happy tunes Day to Eugene
post the video yet, but I'm so late today. I'm
back to back zoom meetings. I've not had a chance
to do my tunes on Teesday, all right. So that
leads to our guests. Our guest today hails from my
hometown of London, England. I never I've never passed up

(02:36):
a opportunity to speak on my little three years in London,
and I just claim it like it's been my my, my,
my city of birth. Um. She is a raw and
hilarious British comedian um with a Nigerian lineage, which isn't
too far from my people's in Benin, but you know,

(02:58):
I'll claim next door neighbor um. She's also in addition
to being a hilarious comedian, she's one of the co
creators of the CBS smash Bob Heart's Apashola. I always
thought was Bob Loves the Apashola, but of course it's
Bob right exactly. Um. And if you've seen her work,
you know that her life is an absolute open book.

(03:21):
Speaking of which, her memoir penned during the pandemic, I
believe it's titled cock Handid which no cock cat candid
forgive me, yes, no, this ain't on video, so we
gotta I still I'm still no cat candid um, which, yeah,

(03:44):
let's hear it for the lefties in the house. I'm
also a lefty, so we special. You know, she shares
her life and her experiences and her relationship with her family,
the total open book. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to
Course Love Supreme Gina yash Or. I hope yea perfect
thank you. I was waiting breath for the name. I

(04:07):
was like, it is he gonna miss up? It's easy.
You're you're your hooray with a Yet you're you're a
comedian hooray. Yeah, okay, I'm stretching that, but but everyone
has done very different variations of how to pronounce your
last name. Oh God, I get your share a lot.

(04:28):
I'm like, no, no, it's Ni Julian. Yes, you almost
have to shout my name. Okay, yeah, right, Okay, I
get it now. Um. You know, I'm so glad you're
here because you know, I've been I've been a fan
of your work. You know, I've seen all all three
of your specials, well three and a half specials on
Netflix at least, very familiar with you. But you know,

(04:50):
I've never we've never gotten a chance to talk or
I know I've seen you. I've passed you on planes
and gone hu oh so we we've we've been uh okay,
two ships in the night one and I was just like,
and I didn't want to make a big deal. You
should have said something of inconspicuous analous luck. I don't

(05:11):
want to. I call that a Tuesday me and conspicuous.
I don't know. Um, so you were Okay, So I'm
I'm glad you're here simply because knowing how open you
are about uh, your life living in London and growing
up there and your experiences which of course as an

(05:34):
outsider with me, I didn't get to see those things.
And of course also in the pandemic Um taking a
crash course on Small ax Um, which is uh, you know,
Steve McQueen's series, I was like, Wow, did I did
I ever live in London because I didn't realize that

(05:56):
these experiences were going on over there as well. Like
mine was slightly different because we were just a band
trying to get our next gig. So you know, we
very rarely did we get to truly like mingle with
with people that didn't have to do with like work
or interviews or that sort of thing. So Ke, you
talk talk to me about your experiences living in London,

(06:20):
like I assume that everything that you speak on in
your life is true. So I was born in London,
East London, Bethinal Breen. I am a Cockney by birth,
flat pro Okay walk gazer. So I was born in London.
I'm a child with the seventies of child of seventies

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and eighties, and England was super racist when my parents
came to England. Sixties super racist. That's when they had
you know, when people used to put signs on their doors.
No dogs, no blacks, no Irish. So when you're going
to runt a place you know you don't you don't
even need to bother in that doorbell if it's got
that sign on the door. So this is what my
mom and dad faced in England in the sixties. It

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was openly racist, and seventies and eighties is not much different.
This was the time when the National Front were prevalent.
National Front was very far right organization in England. They
tried to sort of start themselves political party, but they
were just a bunch of thugs and their graffiti was ubiquitous.
It was all over London. N F, n F, n
F and H. Yeah. I remember being chased and spatned

(07:25):
by skinheads a lot when I was a kid, like
eight years old. I remember eight years old being spatned
by skinhead. I remember me and mom my mom walking
down the street and people shouting epithets out of the
car us and and swerving into panels and splashings. So
that was London. That was the Americans view of the
British being so genteel and polite. It's now what we know. Listen,

(07:49):
when I went to London, and I was like, yeah,
niggas eating beings for breakfast. I understood how y'all used
to rule the world. Now you're not done been to
supposed pudding beings on toast is the best thing on that.
That's some savage ship. Are you Are you really about

(08:10):
to say that it is English food better than Nigeria food.
Food is the best? Come on right, come on? Everything
came from us man. Are you watching high on hug
at least? So you're saying that you ride for all
English things like marmite sandwiches and I hate mom mom

(08:30):
like no toast, Yes, mash mash. I love a bit
of fantis of mash. You can't beat it, but some
of it not. Someone I don't do the black pudding.
Basically I was gonna ask, he explained to our heart,
latinous pink blood. Fully close your eyes, wait time out.

(08:51):
I didn't wait all all these years that I've been having. Uh.
I'll usually have the black pudding. They'll serve that when
we're on like a fairy coming from like Europe headed
to the UK, and they'll have like black pudding as breakfast.
You're telling me there's blood in that it's made from

(09:11):
pigs blood. I did not know that you were disgusting anyway.
You're not going to make a comic moment out this,
Like have you seen how much I weigh? What do
you think I'm being? Man? Just talking about drinking dandylion juice.
I don't think it's from the cho choks A delicious
just a blood yeah, black pudding. It's made from blood.

(09:33):
It is close And as we were explained earlier, that
you know in America, I think like the beans, the
beans that are sourced associated with pork and beans or
hot dogs and pork and beans are kind of an
afternoon evening dish, whereas in England that's a breakfast breakfast
being eggs and beans, chips, eggs, beans, eggs, beans, sausages

(09:57):
as a proper breakfast. I know when I first came
to America and I'm where's the beans? Where's the beast?
Mexico does that? Mexico does it in l A. But
it tastes way better. I think probably thane. But I
ain't got that one, Gina yesterday. I can't. The bank
is a mash, I can do. The bang is a mash.

(10:17):
I can put the beans on topic makes all the difference. God, no, no,
don't know. You don't know. They lost Gina. I'm gonna
tell you this much. I miss I miss touring so much.
I'm actually I'm actually gonna side on your your your

(10:39):
side of the fence this time around. Normally I'd be
with him. Okay, Wait, can I ask the question though,
because even though Gina is born and raised in London,
her mother is not, and so I must think that
your mother does not feel the same way about this
English food. And on the back of that question, can
you also break down like how dope and royal of

(11:01):
a situation your mother came to to come and then
came to London and it was a flip of the switch.
Oh yeah, For one, my mom loves a bit of
bab being's, don't even knock it. My mom is full Nigeria.
She loves Nigerian food. Like when we were kids, we
ate Nigeria foods in the house. But my mom loved
mashed potatoes and my mom loves baked beans, so it
was the dicttomy. But yeah, yeah, my mom was from

(11:23):
a wealthy way well on her family. My mom's from
a family called the Abaskui family. And they are practically
royalty in Nigeria. And my mom was from a wealthy family.
Her dad had a load of wives. She was educated.
Her dad traveled all over the world on business and
he took her with him and she went to private
school and she was a school principal in Nigeria before
she was twenty four years old. So she was very

(11:45):
she did, yes, she was a very She achieved a
lot and then she came to England before Why did
she come to England? Well, long story short. If you
read my money book that's coming, that's how you know that.
My my mother was the daughter of the first wife.
So my grandfather had many words, as you know, pulling

(12:07):
me was widely practiced in Nigeria. Oh yeah, lots of words,
lots of lots of wives. And my daughter, my mom
was the daughter of the first wife. But the first
wife was very powerful, as the first wife is as
the first um. The other wise of very jealous and
there was the other wives murdered my grandmother. The yeah

(12:31):
we never ship, yeah for real, so yeah, the other
wives did not my mother. My grandmother was like, listen,
the other wives don't like me. These bitches are trying
to kill me if anything happens to me, get my
daughter out of Nigeria. So she ended up dying. She

(12:51):
was poisoned and when she died she had a mark
on her phone. Now, before my grandmother died, she always
used to say when I come back, when I come back,
I'm going to I'm going to speak English. I'm going
to be in England. I'm not going to have all
these children because my mom and my grandmother had eleven
kids and I don't want all these children. I'm going
to do a man's job. I'm going to have freedom,
all of you think. When she died from the poison

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she had a mark on her throat. Obviously, when she died,
my grandfather sent my mom out of the country because
who's like, world, I've killed the world. I'm not going
to have them killed my daughter too. So he sent
my mom to England to study and that is where
my mom met my dad. They met each other, they
had me, and I came out with this mark on
my float. So basically I'm a really incarnation of my grandmother.

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So that that's the story, because my jam is believed
heavily in the incarnation, and I came out doing all
the things that my grandmother said filfilled everything. So when
I said, my mom was like comedian, you want to
become a clown. I was like, mom, remember this is
what your mother wanted. I am your mother, But yeah,

(13:57):
my mom someone. That's how my mother ended up in
England studying and she was a teacher. She came to England.
She wanted to carry on working as a teacher. Of
England was super racist. She couldn't my dad. She met
my dad. My dad was studying for his PhD. He
was and he was also a qualified lawyer. They he
couldn't get work as a lawyer in England. So basically
they met, they got married, they had us, and then

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my dad was like, forget this, i want to go
back to Nigeria. This is not I ain't driving a
basketball and I'm a lawyer. I'm a lawyer in Nigeria.
I'm not staying here to drive a bus. Let's get
the kids, let's go. And my mom was like, no,
I've had my children in England. They are British. I
want them to stay in in England and be afforded
all the opportunities that being British entales. I'm staying here

(14:40):
with my kids. So basically my mom and dad. My
dad went back to Nigeria when I was three and
I didn't see him again till I was thirty seven,
and when I went out there to do a show
in Nigeria. So that was it. You met your family
backstage at a show. He came to my show, so backy.
At that point, I was pretty well known in England
and pretty well known in Nigeria. Done a couple of

(15:00):
sketches on television in England that had gone viral in Nigeria.
So I got flown out to Nigeria to do a
show and obviously I saw carry my father's name, so
my father was like when I was going, my mom
was like, oh, your father is going to turn up.
You watch it's going to which would claim you? And
he did. He turned out for the show with a
bunch of fathers and sisters I've never met. So it

(15:21):
was it was it's all in the book. It's all
in the book, people, because it is. And also in
the book, I remember I want to tell people to
you give a good history on the Empire of Bernin
and whatnot. I was like, oh wow, I had no idea,
so can you can you briefly let me know about
I just recently found out my lineage to Benin, like
maybe a year ago and in the country next to Nigeria.

(15:43):
Opening the city in Nigeria been in this because there's
two minute, there's been in city in Nigeria which is
where my family from, and then there's been in the
country which is next to Nigeria where they speak French. Uh. Yeah,
so you Beni. But if they say Benin in your
I'm assuming it's been in the country. Okay. I believe
that it was the country simply because when there was

(16:06):
a civil war happening, the Nigerians had some Benin prisoners
that they used as leverage to negotiate. Uh. My great
great grandfathers was one of those. Uh uh those captured
and sold in the slavery in America. So I believe

(16:27):
that's the country. Yeah, it's definitely the country then been in, Yes,
but yes, opened my book with history of Nigeria and
the ben In within Nigeria which is now Southern Nigerian
where my family were from, and and how advanced the
society was, and how the British came and tried to
take and they got their glasses handed to them by
the Bannin warriors. And then they came back and burnt

(16:50):
Been into the ground and stole all those bronzes. And
hence while you've got all these Benning bronzes in museums
in New York and around the world, because the British
came burned down Been, stole all the bronzes and sold
the bronzes to pay for the army that they'd used
to burn down. When it's been in the British have
done to the world like yeah, exactly, when you guys

(17:14):
go Britain, it's so polite and genteel it so no
it isn't they are straight savages well and also not
for nothing, Nigerians usually act like ain't nobody come and
mess with them at all? So this history is not
always told in their aspect. It's like nobody comes track
were good, Oh no, we only got our independence and
you only got a independence in nineteen sixty and from England,

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and even then the economy was completely messed up. Part
of that because white people people came out and took
everything with them, and they've already raked of all the resources,
all the oil, all the everything, and then there was
a lot of money in oil for a while, but
it all collapsed. It all collapsed. The school systems was
based on the British school system. You know, they took

(18:01):
away the element that Nigerians were all about. Africans were
all about family and learning trades and passing down stuff
within the family, and the British came and went there.
I don't forget about family stuff like that. Capitalism, it's
all about capitalism. You learned to get these qualifications and
then and so they completely changed the way that Nigerians worked.
And it's just ruined, in my opinion, ruining the country.

(18:22):
And you've got a few greedy people just creaming everything
off there just for that history. At least you know yours.
You don't have to go to African ancestry, right something.
Yeah yeah, Um, when you were speaking of your family earlier,
are you in an active kind of communication with them now?

(18:46):
Like how does the idea of a family reunion work?
Or well, my dad's my dad died a few years ago.
Um that side the family. You know, he wasn't let me,
you know, and once when I went to Nigeria, and
I was very polite to him because he you know,
he's the other half of my genetic tree. And I

(19:06):
was very you know, and Nigerian, so I was brought
up to respect my oldest So when I met him,
I'm not gonna go mother, you see, he said, obviously
I wasn't gonna do that. So I was very polite.
We sat, I told him to dinner. We talked. I
asked him all the questions that I had had from
my childhood, like why didn't you come back for us? Why?
And he had a stack of letters that he had
been sending to us as kids that had all been

(19:27):
returned because my mother was like, get out of here,
because she he broke her heart. You know. My mother
was pregnant with my younger brother when my dad left.
So imagine in England in the seventies, given birth by
herself as a single mom, as a single mom in
the seventies in England where she had no family, nobody,
and she and I was I had another brother, so

(19:49):
it was me and my other brother were toddlers at
the time, and she was giving birth to my youngest brother.
So me and my brother had to go into foster
care temporarily while she went into hospital to have this baby.
For because she had nobody. So we went into care.
You know, she got a wife, family talks after us
while she went to hospital to have this baby. So
my mother never forgave my father for that magic being

(20:12):
a hospital, all these all these women, all their husbands
are coming in with flowers for their wives who have
had these babies, and she's lying there by herself with
absolutely nobody. So she never forgave him, never forgave him.
So as a result, I kind of you know, I'm
not gonna say I hated him, but I was like, look,
you you abandoned. That's you know. I went through life
with a horrible stepfather, horrible as you never came for us,

(20:37):
So I give you your due respect as my father figure,
but that's all you're getting. So I met him the once,
and after that I was like, all right, I've met him.
That was great. I took a fegure. That's all I need. So,
you know, when he died, these other kids are like,
and you know, are you coming through the funeral, And
I'm like, no, I am sorry for your loss. He

(20:57):
was the father to you, and I'm sorry for your
last time. I did not know the man, so no,
I'm not coming to the funeral. What about your mother's
big family. Oh, my mother's side the family, Yeah, not
the wives who killed her mother. I don't. I didn't
know any of those, but I've met many of my uncles,
her sisters. Yeah, a lot of them came. A couple
of them came to England. So my mom's side the family,

(21:19):
good with her friends. Yeah, that's that's who I wrock with. Okay,
that's up. Hey, can you okay, I'm glad you're on
the show. To also clear up this this conception because
Americans have a different especially Black Americans, they we have
this different idea of who Nigerians are coming from. This

(21:44):
a d not in Houston and not in Atlanta, but yes,
outside of d C, Houston and Atlanta. Don't know, I know,
but it's it's almost like a crazy stereotype that we
never get to dispel that myth because we rarely have
Nigerian guests do on the shelf, what's this? What's the stereotype?
But no, just basically like the ideas Nigerian scam artists

(22:06):
that this is invisible scam artists that we I mean,
we're we are really good at that ship. I mean
I can't even love. I'm trying to get you to
wipe it off the table. Vegerians are very smart and
very resourceful. And if you're stupid enough to fall for
some many scams and give them your money, then no.

(22:27):
I went to Nigeria. It look it is going on.
I went to Nigeria and when I went to Lagos,
I saw houses with signs on the houses it said
this house is not for sale. They had signs on
the houses because what was happening. People were going on
the internet and selling other people's houses, So selling houses

(22:50):
that don't belong to them. So you're in the house
of people. Yeah, and people not cut the door on that.
Excuse me what you did in my house? I just
bought this ass like no, but this is my ask.
But this is what was right scam here, Gina, Are
you aware of that Nigerian's brought that scam here? And
there's a scam like all over your crags list, your
favorite apartment search. You see a beautiful house in the
in the price doesn't look believable, and then you call
and they tell you to drive by and look at

(23:11):
it from the outside and they give you a long
story about how somebody lost their job and somebody died
and the girl you felt. I didn't fall fall. I
just got to the part where you drive past the house.
I remember someone. All the scams are like that. I
remember someone I was selling a phone years ago. On

(23:32):
was the email or something. I was selling a phone.
This is how long ago it was. It was on
email selling a phone and it's Nigerian. Send me an
email and listen. I think I wanted three hundred for
the phone or something. And this guy is like, I
will give you seven. I'll keep you sending. Just send
me the phone and I will send you Western Union.
And I emailed him back and I was like, did
you look at my name? Cut my name? You are

(23:55):
trying to scam another Nigerian. Don't even don't even try Nagina.
Is the scam in pure Nigerian or is it tribal
specific because some may say there's certain tribes and more
scammy to others or not. I don't know about that.
I just think it's just I'm not saying all Nigeries.
It's a small percentage of Nigerians are doing this. Is

(24:16):
not all Nigerians. I can't do that ship. I don't
even know how to. I would love to learn, but no,
not all like it's a small percentage. It's it's been
blown up out of proportion to make it look like
every Nigerian scamming. There's a small percentage of them who
are really, really good at it. But I trust it's
a baseball number. I don't know which five it is.
I don't know. I'm glad you clear that up. I didn't.

(24:41):
I didn't clear that. But you know what, honestly it's
all about honestly people, We're doing, honestly something that well, honestly,
I gotta I gotta go. I gotta cancel this check
I just sent out right back. You know, could you
tell us about creatively, what was your like life like

(25:05):
growing up in Britain at the time period, like your
formative years like ten eleven twelve, like your your school
existence or just like what did you generally do and
during that time period, Well, the same as every other
kid did, try to just play, do my school work. Um,
it was a struggle. Being an African kid was not

(25:26):
cool at the time. And even though I say England
was racist, it wasn't white kids I was fighting with
at school. It was other black kids, the descendants of
slaves from the Caribbean, African Caribbean kids, you know, because anything,
they've got the same education that we all got. And
in the seventies and eighties, the view of Africans, the
only image of Africans on TV was either are sitting

(25:47):
there with flies landing on our face, begging for food donations,
or in Tarzan movies, chasing white men around and trying
and cook them imparts with bones and our noses. So
we were seen as primitive and heathen and animalistic, and
that was what the image of Africans was at the time.
So as an African kids school, I worked part with
you guys. In America it was African comuting sclatcher. In

(26:09):
England it was African bubble spear, chukker, all of that stuff,
and it was it was black kids. Because the British
was so good at hiding their their what you know,
because this is thing you don't know about the British.
The Europeans were the biggest slaver's biggest. Belgians were disgusting,
The Dutch were discussions number one. Belgian England was number one.

(26:32):
The British Empire they were number one. They just hid
it better like I used to do this routine. When
I say that, the Americans did the equivalent of stealing ship,
as in stealing people and bringing it back to their
own house, whereas the Brits stole but kept it in
other people's houses. So they so they went to Africa,
they took they stole people, but they didn't bring them

(26:52):
all back to England. They put them on you know,
their colonies in the Caribbean. Yeah, Barbaydos' kids Jamaica. All
of those people are descendants of slaves, all the black
people from the islands. But they did not educate the
black people from the islands as to where they came from.

(27:13):
They just assumed that they were from the islands, that
there was there are black people from Africa and there
are black people from the islands. They didn't know. So
I had so many fights to school with kids would
be calling me names, I go and I go. Do
not know that your African te you came from? Ain't
no African and a Jamaican hat no tum if I
don't run around with dog bones in Man. I used

(27:34):
to get that school And it wasn't until roots came
out in England that they went because they didn't they
were not educated. It's not they thought they were not educated.
The school system did not educate as to tell us
that all black people okay from Africa. They didn't know it.
So at school I worked for a horrible time with

(27:55):
other black kids just calling me names. I was constantly
getting into fight to school, and that's where I started
using humor because I was getting into too much trouble
because I had to make myself into the crazy kid.
Don't mess it up because she will punctu in your face, tall, big, small,
you know, I would just I would fight. I'd be
ready to fight to show so that I wouldn't get bullied.
But I will fight any of you. Don't even I

(28:16):
will fight you. So then I started using humor to
kind of circumvent those, you know, those confrontations. Okay, so
it's weird to hear you say that, because in my
mind I thought that type of ignorance was just for America,

(28:37):
because yeah, like I also, you know, I had experience
like that in the mid seventies or whatever, like the
the the worst insult you could say, like like on
the on the playground or whatever on recess to call
someone African Like that's when it's like, yo, I'm ready
fuck you up. You say that to me again, but

(28:59):
you to hear that this also is happening with African
kids over it's white supremacy. They oh my god, white supremacy.
They indoctrinated the entire planet. I mean, it's genius what
they did when you think about it, genera people knocking.

(29:20):
I'm sorry, I'm also dying because I do another podcast
with just gotten Asia from Kindred, and Asia always says,
the root of everything that has to go on with
black people is white supremacy. So it's just about like word, Absolutely,
they're ingenius. That not even the fact that they subjugated us,
that they convinced us that we were less that and

(29:41):
generations later, hundreds of years later, we still believe that
we are less. That we still do. Hence you have
all the you know, African Americans hate Africans, Affrications hate.
This is the try. Everything stems from that. The religion
that was forced upon us to have us bel even
in a white Jesus and a white girl. The religion

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is forced upon the homophobia that was never existent in
African society. We were spiritual, we were spiritual Do you
practice Euroba? Are you do you practice Euroba the religion?
Or I don't. I don't practice any religions. Really, I'm
like I've pulled out from all you are you your no,

(30:26):
my family from Belin City. But yeah, like if you
look back in history, homophobia was not existent in Africa.
It was all about spirits. They you know, there are
historical pieces written by white people who came to Africa
came now so now they suld because somebody literally just

(30:48):
told me that Ghana just took down the sign of
their airport basically saying don't bring your homosexual don't bring
your American homosexual Christianity Basically, the Brits came in and
they were like, what are you doing your worshiping these deities,
these wooden artifacts? Is this stuff that you're doing as
long as disgusting as even you will, you will, you
will worship this white Jesus. And they built churches, and

(31:12):
they took the land to build these churches, and they
beat the religion into the people and it's been passed
down for generas generations, and they they would know where
the religion comes from. So the Christianity and all that
stuff was not there before. It wasn't that we worshiped
the land, We worship our own deities. We worshiped the
spirits within people. So yes, there were men that had
more feminine energy, but it was no big deal. There

(31:33):
were women who had more masculine energy, but people just
were that. It was all about the spirits of the people.
Same thing within the indigenous tribes of every country. You
know that they had different genders and they it didn't
It was all about the spirit. And some of these
people with different genders or different identities were considered more
spiritual than some they we went to. They used to

(31:55):
go to them for advice and things like that. So
this was what it was like before the white missionaries
came and they were like, stop all of this, stop
all of this. This is heathen, if this is animalistic.
You will worship our white Jesus. You will go to
our churches and we will give you our education, and
if you don't do it, we will kill you. So

(32:16):
why we're building your churches. We will take every all
your land to build these churches that you did not
know you needed and you were worshiping them. And we
may sell some of your family, but that's just how
it is. We are bringing you civilization, and that's plasically
will happen. So the religion that you see is bastardized.
It's been used by men to subjugate. This is the

(32:38):
same religion that was used to to justify enslaver in black.
Oh yeah, I was about to say, you know, you
know all about this religion, some of us trying to
act like we need for good. Yeah, So you know,
I'm like, this same religion that you're using to beat
people overhead because they have this is the same religion
that was used to to subjugate your people for hundreds

(32:58):
of years. This is the same the same colonizes that
you claim to reject, but you're not rejecting the bullshit
that they taught you. You know, when you when you
occasionally bring this up in concert, like when you really
get real about the effects of racism, knowing that you
have a mixed audience, Like what's the general reaction and
how do you handle it if someone collapsed back at you.

(33:23):
Because I saw Chappelle trying to do this once and
it didn't work with his sort of drunk frat boy
I'm Rick James bitch audience that was wanting him to just,
you know, just be a caricature. And you know, here's
here to turn Dick Gregory on them. Yeah, I mean
here's the face the audience that tends to come to
see me. No that I just say what I'm gonna say.

(33:44):
So if you're coming to see me, you know that
you get in what you gain. Also, as a comedian,
my first port of call is always too entertain I'm
here to make you laugh. I'm not a teacher. I'm
not a lecturer. I'm not that's not what I'm here
to make you laugh, So that is always my first
port of call. You need to be laughing. Now. If
I'm slipping in some politics and slipping in some that's

(34:07):
teaching you something. As long as you're laughing, it's all good.
So I don't go out there and just go hardly.
That is the devil. I don't do that. I tell stories.
I tell stories of experiences from my life because just
by virtue of who I am, I am a walking
political statement. So I don't have to make a big
dealer going I'm black. I'll just tell stories. I'll tell

(34:29):
stories about the racist woman on the train who didn't
believe that I belonged in first class. I'll tell the
stories of being in the first class lounge at the
airport and a guy asking me where the eggs are.
I would just tell stories. I would tell the stories,
and they learned from the stories. They're laughing, but they're
learning at the same time. And that's how I do it.
It's like feeding medicine, but you're coated and sugar so

(34:51):
you don't really know you're taking the medicine. And that's
how I tend to do it as a stand up comics,
so I don't go. You know, obviously, people still get
angry because white people aways get angry that you got
I call them the defensive white people, the dfws who
will get upset with if you just mentioned race, They're
gonna get upset and call I mean, called racist by someone.

(35:13):
You're racist. You're racist talking about white people. I'm like,
talking about racism does not make you racist. You gotta
know the difference. You're you're defensive, You're just so I'm
just like, just get out of my face. But yeah,
but an audience who comes to see me know that
they're gonna have a good time. They're gonna laugh a
lot and They may come out with some knowledge, but

(35:36):
really they're coming to enjoy a show, and that's what
it's about for me. I know that before a life
in comedy, you were preparing for life as an engineer.
I wasn't preparing. I wasn't engineer. I worked, But I mean, well, yeah,
what came first? Your need to make people laugh or

(36:01):
you know, I would assume that was it. Was it
a desire to be this engineer or was it like,
let me fall back on something now. The desire to
make people like it wasn't a desire. It came out
of necessity to avoid fights. I didn't think it was
something I could do for a living. I just used
that as it was a defense mechanism. But I came
from an African family with an academic so my mom

(36:23):
was like, you know, I do a routine on stage
where IVE got there's four choices of career in an
African family. Doctor, lawyer, engineer, disgrace to the family. Those
are the choices. So I was going to be the doctor.
My mom told me from the age of two that
I was going to be a doctor. It was until
eighteen and we had to dissector rat. But I discovered
I couldn't stand the side of blood. So I switched

(36:44):
from studying to become a doctor to engineering because that
was the next on the list. So uh yeah, I
became an engineer. I started, got my degree in electrical
electronics engineering, and I became an engineer. And I enjoyed
the work. I enjoyed. I was never going to be
the best engineer in the world, though I was. I was,
I was okay, I did well, um and also I

(37:05):
was you know. My last job was working for Otis
Building repairing elevators. His name was Elijah Otis, the man
who supposedly invented the elevator, even though he probably had
a black person helping him do that, as they But
the guy who was credited with inventing the elevator was
a white man. People think it's a black guy because
the name Otis, but his name was Elijah Otis. It

(37:27):
was a white dude. But I worked for Otis Elevator
building and repairing elevators that as an engineer, and I
was their first female engineer in their hundred year history
in the UK, of of of this company in the UK,
and it sounds amazing, but it was not. I worked
on construction sites with white men, and I was the
only woman engineer and a black engineer in that and

(37:49):
the same page way as these people, while being much
longer than all of them. I went for a baptism
of fire, like you're a construction side. There's no hr,
there's no one to say you're not allowed to say
it back. I got called the nigger to my face
every day at work. I've come into work and there's
pictures of monkeys above my over rules, or there's banana
skins in the pockets of my over rules, and they'd

(38:10):
be giggling as I'm taking out these banana skins and
flowing them away. This this is what I put up
with at work every day for four years. But oh yeah,
I stuck it out because I had to prove that
I could do the job. I had to prove to
them that they're not going to scare me out at this,
that I'm as good as they are. And the more
they hated me, the more I came into work because
they wanted to drag me away and I was not

(38:31):
having it. But in the end I had to put
a guy aside and threatened them with physical violence. I
was like, listen, you can call me nigger. I got
two brothers. I was sending these two niggas around your
house to funk you up. I know where you live,
so that if you call me niggle once more, you're
a dead man. And that was it. He never spoke
to me again. Damn, work got quiet. But I I

(38:51):
wanted to be enjoyed, wanted niggah. Yeah, he didn't get
to his math. His math quick that it's quick when
I told him I new always lived and I send
my brothers around there. So that But that was what
I put up with every day at work for years.
And then the only reason I ended up leaving the job.
I was good at the job that anywayson I ended

(39:12):
up leaving because I wasn't getting the promotions I was
supposed to. Because I was a woman. I was the
first woman. They didn't know what to do with me.
So I'd be like, well, I've done this, I've earned this,
I've done this promotion. I've got the promotion, you give
it to me on paper, you've given me the money.
Now I'm supposed to run my own site because when
you get to a certain level, you then manage your

(39:32):
own site. And they were like well, we don't have
to do if the guys are going to listen to
a bird, you know what I mean. It doesn't think
we're gonna be're gonna listen to a girl given them orders.
So we'll give you the promotion and give you the money,
but you can't manage your own site. So I was like,
well then this is not good. I'm gonna go to
a grievance hearing. So I set up a heaving hearing

(39:55):
my union that had been paid into for four years
with you to represent me. My a union records like,
we don't know about this women's stuff, so you're on
your own. So I turned up for this grievance hearing
unrepresented by my union. So here I am twenty one
year old black girl in a room with these old
white men who run who are on the top of
the company. And obviously I lost. They were like, yeah,

(40:17):
we don't see we're doing anything. Want get out of here.
So in the end, I was like, and I had
this job. They were you know, in the mid nineties,
they were making people were under the building industry went
through a bit of a slump. They were laying people off.
They were never gonna lay me off because I was
there black poster child. But I just marched into my
manager's office and I was like, you better pay me
off and let me go, or else I'm gonna go
public with this ship. So they were like, all right,

(40:38):
here's your money. Off you go. And it was in
that time that I fell into comedy because I was like,
let me take a little bit of time out of engineering,
let me have some fun, let me go. Du You
had a little cushion, Yeah, a little kushion. I had
the money and a little apartment with my My rent
was cheap. My car was brought cash at this nice
little nest egg of money. So I lived off that money.
And it was in that time that I fell into
comedy and just ended up never them back to engineering.

(41:01):
Around what year was that I'd take ninety? I started
in comedy in nineties six Yeah, damn okay. At the time,
who were you laughing at? Like? Who was making you laugh?
Funny enough? I never really watched comedy before I did it.
I'm not one of those comedians that's got an encyclopedic
knowledge of comedy. I like to watch my peers. I

(41:22):
never watched because I tried to watch Richard Prior videos.
But but when I came, I'd seen so many doing
virgins of you stuff. But by the time I saw him,
I was like, like, I've seen it, and it sounds
horrible to say this publicly. No, that's real. I've never
watched it in time, but your Prior special because I
felt like I've seen it because I think bastard versions

(41:44):
of it so often. Yeah, Prior is one of those
dudes like I always compare him to, Like he's kind
of like what Diller, what Jay Diller was to music,
in the sense that, yeah, you're trying to explain him.
You had to be there and trying to explain him
to people now they don't understand it. Like, Yo, before
this guy happened, all this ship that you're rocking to
now like that ship just did not exist, you know

(42:05):
what I mean. And it's hard to explain that the people,
you know, And he was kind of like that when
I would watch him, you know, all my uncles and
should be laughing at but I'd be like, huh, you
know what I mean, my moms maybe, and I was
curious if you ever I mean, I've gone back and
researched it. That's what I meant. So I've gone back
and gone, oh moms, but like we didn't have one's

(42:26):
Maybe in England we would not have known who she was.
It's only when I moved to America then I started
looking at the history of black comedy in the I mean,
we had Eddie Murphy. Obviously in England he was huge.
He was a worldwide superstar. So I saw Roar. You know,
we everybody saw that. And then we used to get
the VHS tapes of the the death Comedy jams, so
we got that, so we got death Comedy Jam in English.

(42:48):
We all used to you know, so when I ended
up doing Deaf Comedy Jam, all the black British comedis
were like, oh my god, don't do it that. It
was some massive thing because we've all been sneaking and
watching the VHS is of death comed So but when
I came to Merca, that's when I started. You know,
Chris Walk We knew who Chris work again, you know,
we got all he came there to. Yeah, he came

(43:08):
in towards so we knew Chris What was Chappelle show
came later on? We we did get Chappell Show, but
I never watch Chapelle Show. I never watched it because
it was at that time when I was I don't
know when we spell show. It was like two so
I was already in comedy in England, just hustling hus
so I never really watched a lot. I never really
so I've seen I've never seen all of I've seen

(43:31):
clips of The Chapelle Show on the Internet, but I
never I was not really watching TV like that. I've
never even watched The Fresh Prince. I know, I've watched
clips of it. I've seen it. I know the show,
I know it's about. I watched the documentary of it,
but when it was on, I never actually watched the show.
Once you see clips, you see them more. I'm playing no, okay.

(43:53):
So from my observation, you know, when I'm watching uh,
people talk about English comedy of course, Fawlty Towers and
Monty Python and whatnot black people, white English comedy. When
I say English comedy, it usually means white people. I

(44:16):
get it. But what were black people holding onto as
far as comedy was concerned in the late sixties early seventies, Like,
what was Monty Python for black people? Not really, I
didn't give a ship about Monty Python. I never found it. Finally,
I didn't get it. Was just a bunch of very wealthy,
middle class white This is how Monty Python sounded to me.

(44:42):
That's all the sounds like to me. I just I
never watched it as a kid. I didn't get it,
you know, I just didn't get it. I didn't get
much but Benny Hill, but Manby Hill was physical comedy exactly.
I was a kid watching that, and it was as
a kid, I wasn't. I mean, as a kid. There
was a guy called Kenny Ever wife found hilarious. If
you ever look up clips of this guy on YouTube,

(45:04):
Kenny Everett hilarious, hilarious. He was funny, and he was
who I watched on TV. We had Lenny Henry, who
was our black comedian. He was one top black comedian
in the UK, so we watched a lot of his stuff,
a lot of scared So we had stuff we had,
you know, we had a lot of TV shows with
Caribbean actors on it. So we had our shows. But

(45:26):
as far as black comics in the sixties, a lot
of the black comics in the sixties did very self
deprecating humor that was for white audiences. You know, they
do similar to our menstrual comedy for America very very much.
You guys had there was a version of that for
the UK as well. Oh yeah, the Black and White
Minstrel Show was a British show. Yeah, it was only

(45:48):
the UK, and then we also had black Yeah, and
so Lenny Henry he was our one black comic and
black people looked at him sideways for a long time
because he did appear in the minstrel show. But he
was a young black comic. There was nothing out there.
He was the one and he just did what he
was told to do. But yeah, he did the player
in the men the mental shows the black people are
like for a long time. So what year did the

(46:11):
mentoral show stop in the UK? Not for a long time?
Did it? It went on for I didn't. I think
it stopped. I think it didn't even stop to that
the early nights. It went on for a long time.
I might be exaggerating, but I know it was on
for a very long time. It stopped way after it
should have stopped, all right. Damn? Well, well, by how

(46:38):
do how does one cut their teeth and navigate through
the early structure of trying to be a comedian, like
what what clubs and like how are you able to
do that? And also you know where they open to
you being a woman, a black person. However, it was

(47:01):
it just sort of rub shoulders. And when I started
in comedy in the nineties there had been there was
a vision in black comedy scene. There was a huge
you know there. It was very segregated. So we had
a black company scene which was made up of theaters,
black run theaters. There were lots of good underground roots
theaters around the country and there was a promoter called
John Simmit who used to potton shows all the on

(47:23):
and he used to bring over American comics to do
our shows, like I met JB. Smooth um uh twenty
five years ago, Ian Edwards. I met all of these
guys twenty yard years ago when I was starting out
in England. I went to see them at theaters in
England in the nineties before they became huge. So this guy,

(47:44):
John Simmott was putting on all these shows. So there
was a really good comedy scene, not in comedy clubs,
it was theaters, it was events. The black scene was
an event they put in their face on the flyer
and people came and got dressed aff it was a
big event. So that's where I started doing comedy on
the black scene. The white comedy scene was mainly co
many clubs, and there were a lot of them all
over the country. So you could make the black team
paid more money because it was more of an events,

(48:06):
but there weren't as many of them, so you might
get one, you know, we might get one show every
couple of weeks. Playing three Bucks was on the white circuit.
They paid less money, but you've got a lot of
work if you got into the clubs. Um. I've always
made a point of playing both sets, playing the black
scene and the white scene. Immediately from the beginning, I
was like, I want to be funny to everybody, and
I want to make all the money because I'm a Nigerian,

(48:27):
so that's how I thought. I want to make money,
so I want to do all the clubs. So I
made the point of playing both. People used to say,
are you gonna go do the white circuits or set
out whatever? But I never sold myself out. I always
was pretty much quintessentially me when I did those shows.
So yeah, and that's why I did. It was hard,
it was a struggle. It was a struggle getting on
at those clubs because they didn't respect black comedy. They

(48:49):
always thought the black comics with this the seres is
in America, the assumption that every black comic is a
deaf jam comic, or every black comic talks a certain way.
That's how it was in England. They thought that all
we talked about is our parents beating us or whatever.
So it was a struggle getting on those clubs. But
I worked it, and you know I did that. I
kept hustling and kept festering these clubs and I did

(49:10):
get on, but you know, it was hard to get
it on TV. I was always the token. I was
always on TV. I was on all manner of TV shows.
You know, I was famous for being that black girl
that's on their V show in England, never had show.
So when these shows got accused of racism, they go,
but no, no, we're not racist. We had We've had
Gina on our show eight times. So I realized I

(49:32):
was being used as a token to keep other black
people down. So I was like, I gotta get out
of here. I'm gotta get out here. The way I
was told that I was trying to figure out an
American comedy when blacks are trying to get to that
mainstream level. Um, like, you know, how do you get

(49:53):
out of what we call the Chiplin circuit into mainstream comedy.
Some black comedians joke with me, the one thing you
can't do when you decide to go mainstream is, I
guess the common denominator is amongst comedians is uh, your
death your deaf jam comic. If you're fucking the chair.

(50:16):
There's a lot of chair humping, a lot of chair
humping exactly, So what what is the what's the sort
of the signature kind of blanket move for black comics
in the UK? That's sort of well, a lot of
black comics UK kind of model themselves on the deaf
jam comics. So there was also some still humping in

(50:38):
England as well. But this white people like that. When
I started doing comedy, Um, when I started doing comedy,
you know, I was the only comedian of African descent
that was really doing it. A lot the comedians were
Caribbean descent, so a lot of their jokes were doing
jokes at the expensive Africans. So when I came out,

(51:00):
I was coming from a different perspective. So that made
me stand out immediately from everybody else because I was like, yeah,
you guys are talking about Africa's, let me tell Jamaica's,
let me tell you about yourselves, Basians, let me tell
you about yourselves. And so I was coming from that perspective,
and I did material about being an African kid and
the experiences at school being so I came from that perspective.

(51:21):
So it made me stand out, made me different, and
it made me successful earlier because I was coming I
was very different from everybody else. But then what happened
was I started a trend. I was able to parlay
that into mainstream success on television talking about my African
heritage on British television. Then I started a whole stream

(51:45):
of young comics of African descent who were like, oh,
we could talk about being African. And then it almost
became hack because I was doing characters, my African characters,
which were characters well written, but a lot of these
younger comics were just coming out and look like a
dog in an African accent and it's really for me,
and people were laughing at that, so then it became hacky. Yeah,
I was gonna ask Uh. You mentioned um the Lenny

(52:10):
Henry UH show earlier, and that's where you did more
uh of your sketch your your character actors? How did
you develop um Tanya the one of your more famous characters,
Tanya and Uh and I love the fact that you
wore a bootleg Allen iverson Jersey I'm from Philly. And

(52:32):
the other character Mrs Yeah, how did you develop those
characters for that show? Well, Mrs Amative was based on
my mom, So I've been doing various versions of her
in my stand up before that, So all I did
was just make her a person and put and put
the wig on and actually encapsulate the character. Tanya was

(52:52):
based on the young girls like used to see on
the buses and seeing it on the streets. Were nice
to hang out, and I said, listen to their conversations
and their voices and stuff. So, but when they call
me on the show, they called me to be a writer.
They didn't call me to be on the show. They
wanted me to write on the show. And I was like, well,
I'll write on the show. But the characters that I

(53:12):
you know, that I come up with, I want to
play them. That's the only reason I'm a comedian, I'm
a performer. I don't want to just write sketches and
be in the background. So I was like, if I
right on the show, but if I created characters, I
want to play them. And that's basically how I got
on the show as a writer and performer, and lucky
I did because those characters catapulted me to mainstream success.

(53:34):
Up until that Lenny Henry show, I was what you
call hood famous because I've done a black TV show
and I was famous to black audiences and when I
was selling out theaters, it was all black. But then
when I got on the Lenny Henry Show, that was
mainstream BBC television in the UK, and my audience changed.
I started to pick up a much bigger and broader audience,

(53:55):
at which I still hold to this day. So I
still kept my black roots because I never changed to
who I was us. But then white people came on board. Huh,
we're so, I know eventually you came stateside. What was
the what was the decision process to leave the UK
to move to America? Well, I wanted to be in

(54:16):
American since I was a child, Since watching Different Stokes,
I was like I want to go to America and
be adopted, like it was my dream the TV shows.
I'm like, kids in America they've got better candies than us,
They've got better clothes than us, They've got better bikes,
they can go around and solve crimes and ship. I
want to be an American kid. Yeah. So when I
was four years old, From four years old, I said

(54:38):
to my mom, like, why why did you come here?
So I never felt British. I was like, why did
you come here? Like you could have gone. I could
have been born in Miami, like what you're thinking. So
it's been a dream. Like even when I worked for
Otis as an engineer, Otis is an American company, So
all my life I was planning to come to America.
Even when I was working as an engineer, I was like,
I'm gonna work for an American company and at some

(55:00):
point I'm going to transfer and being an engineer in America.
So it's been my dream to live here my entire life.
That's how I got here. As a comedian Last Comic
Standing h I saw it as a chance to get
to America, and so I auditioned for the show and
got to the semifinal and they got me a two
year work for visa and I was like, oh, does

(55:20):
this mean I can live and work in America for
two years? Oh? Well, I'm done. Went back to England,
sold my house, sold and gave away everything I owned,
and turned up for the semifinal of Last Comic Standing,
which is two suitcases to my name, and through a
big party in England, said I'm leaving and coming back goodbye.
And there was only a two year visa. But I'm

(55:41):
gonna turn this into a green card and then I'm
going to turn it into this ship. I am never
coming back to a dynasty. There you go, and I've
been here fourteen years, so wait, is that for real life?
Before you came here, you you saw all the like
the beauty of America, but you had no idea of
like what was really going on in the history. Oh
I knew what was goetting on, but ship was happening

(56:01):
in English. So I was like, I'm just there's no
difference to me. I'm just going from you know, as
a comedian in England and black comedic covers, I was
well known. I'd hit I got quite famous, but I
hit that glass ceiling, hit the glass ceiling of where
black people are allowed to reach in English entertainment industry.
So I was like, well, America's got a black seedling,
but it's a lot higher. So at least when I

(56:22):
hit the black ceiling, that the glass ceiling in America,
I'll be a multi millionaire when I hit it, and
I can cry in my money. So that was my idea.
I love it because you are the queen. You are
the queen of comedy in London there like Queen's. Yeah,
I am the you know, I am the most you know,

(56:43):
well known black female comedian, one of the most well
on comedians standard in England. But I was here and
my white male counterparts here. So I'm here and I'm
doing pretty well. I've got you know, I'm doing well.
But then these white as that who opened for me
and then going boom and becoming stadium filling multi millionaires,

(57:06):
and I'm like, wait, a year ago you were opening
for me. How am I still here and you're here.
I need to get out of here. I need to
go and and swim with the sharks in America. This
is mind blowing because I'm thinking to myself, like, so
now that she's so now that you're here and this
is a different time now, it's a time now where
you know, in Hollywood it makes more sense for you

(57:27):
to be black and British, Black and African descent. You know,
like a lot of there's an issue that people speak
about sometimes that you our first choice when it comes
to roles. A lot of times like what is what
is your talk about? It? Talk about No, it's the
thing with the whole African amoernt conversus African to knowing
our versus Brits thing. If there were enough roles, enough

(57:49):
world rounded, three dimensional roles for black actors in America,
we wouldn't be fighting over these crumbs. We're fighting over crumbs.
And here's the thing, I say what they said, the
bullish black actors the first choice. Not how many African
American characters have played Nelson Mandela, how many how many

(58:10):
Washington played Steve Veco? All African heroes have been played
by African American actors. But we didn't complain. We just
were happy that our stories how already been playing Nelson Mandela.
You don't have to remind us. Wait, he did there
was a yeah, he was he was him and uh

(58:32):
and Jennifer Husson played Winnie. It was like the wait
the Winnie movie. It was the Winnie movie. Yeah, maindella
ya won't meet it in the party at me. That
what I was saying, what what is the big complaint?
What is the big complaints? Colination? Like we had a show.

(58:58):
We had a movie in England called for queensand Country.
It was a movie about a British soldier coming out
Queen the Country. I remember this movie. Yeah, Washington, that
British soldier. They of all the black actors in England,
they went to America and brought Denzel Washington to England
to play the role of this British soldier. So it's

(59:21):
cross p this is you know that always played Steve
Eco too, he was still earlier. He played Steve. So
all our African heroes have been played by African amount
Where I see it right with Harriet Martin, I mean

(59:44):
she did they do the role justice, that's all. That's
where I met with it too. They bodied the ship.
It depends. That's all you gotta ask, That's what you
gotta you know. Look, Will Smith played the Nigerian in Horrible.

(01:00:04):
I I love Will Smith, but that was horrible, just horrible.
Black Panther. I love Black Panther. That was I love
that movie. But every member of that family had a
different African accent, different African accent. I blame I blame Luepeter.
She should have told hard everybody correctly. I don't know.

(01:00:28):
It's a bad a bad joke. Well that's what I'm saying. Look,
I tell you a little story. When I came to
meet Chuck Laurie to create Bob Hearts, I asked them
what they wanted the African character to be called, and
one of the guys said Lupeter, and I was like, okay.
So I was like, this is why you guys need me.

(01:00:52):
For One, Luepeter is Kenyan. You're talking about Niginia cats,
She's Kenny, wrong side of African, wrong side of Africa. Two.
She was born in Mexico. Her parents for ships and
Googles gave it a name Peter. Very much guarantee there's
not another fucking Africa on the planet. So him, let
me give you a list of like Jian names. Let
me help you. Lett's let's make this, let's make this good,

(01:01:18):
and thank you. I was about to say, I don't
I don't even want to skip this far into it.
But I had a friend that used to act on
Two and a half Men, and I went to the
set to visit just to see, like what the atmosphere
was like. And you know, Chuck Laurie shows are, It's

(01:01:42):
the most intense atmosphere I've ever seen as far as
the comedy shows concerned. Like I never I didn't know
he was that hands on. I didn't know that every
time he yelled break, the writers run around, all right,
give me a better punch line. Go no, you're horrible,
Go you suck. Like I never knew it was that
cut throat. That's it's not as bad on our show.

(01:02:06):
He's mellowed with. And also because I'm running the show
with Al Higgins and him, it's our atmosphere is a
lot more chill. It's a lot you know, I bought
Black Rides him. You know, like, well, they need you
to make it work, So I doubt it. But I'm
just saying that what I saw. It's like every time

(01:02:28):
they take sitcoms, it's the n like every time they
take a break. And I could tell what the what
the what not the linears, But I can tell the
order of like the the the respected writer versus the newbie,
because you're supposed to former circle around him. And he's like,
I don't like that punchline. Give me some of that works.

(01:02:49):
Go and if you don't, if you don't nail Boil's
eye with balls eye with the right punchline, people, that
sucks you. You And I'm just seeing like people getting
deflated every time they don't come with the magic. I
didn't realize that that does not suffer fools. Gladly, um lucky.
I'm a stand up uh, and I came in with

(01:03:10):
that confidence of the stand up. And you know, not
every one of your jokes is gonna work. It's the
it's the not showing fear when it doesn't. Oh my god,
oh god, it didn't work. I'm gonna do something quick.
How gonna And these guys who just talk incessantly because
they're trying desperately to impress you just gotta be chill,
like he likes me because I'm chill around it. I'm
just like, here's a joke. Now, that didn't work, Okay,

(01:03:32):
give me a couple of minutes. Couple of minutes, and
I'm relaxed about the whole thing. That's why I wanted
to ask you, because in that particular atmosphere, in that
particular day that I saw, I just don't know how
one can be creative when they're they all look like
they were like have their heads and the guilty right exactly.

(01:03:52):
And I'm like, well, how how can you come with
something creative when you're under such dress? And I wanted
to know was it like that on the set as well?
Right now, our share is a fun set. Before we
do our run throughs and rehearsals, I put on afrobeats.
We dance. I put on music, like if you look
at my stories and stuff, you'll see me and the cast,

(01:04:14):
the crew, all of us. We put the music on.
We fucking we dance, and I'm like, let's go, let's
get the energy, just get It's fine, this is fine,
we'll play. You make the lead like people. This is
not rocket science, this is not surgery. So I put
music on. We dance level. We have fun. And the
writer's room is a really nice collaborative feel, and and

(01:04:35):
and Chuck likes the room that we're running. And Chuck
comes in and he loves coming and hanging with us,
and it doesn't feel high pressure. We're talking we don't
write because the show, if you watch Bob's show that
it's not a joke heavy show. It's funny, and we
aim for funny, but we also aim for the real heart,
the real story, the real three dimensions of all the characters.

(01:04:58):
So it's not just don't give me a don't. We
need don't right now, we need don't. You know, the
funny comes we concentrate. Chuckers Now taught us. Taught us
what we concentrate on the story, make it real, and
then you can add in the jokes later. So you know,
I've learned a lot since in that show, but we
haven't got that kind of high intensity thing going on.
We we all it's a collaborative thing. Everybody works together.

(01:05:21):
We you know, and and you know, I've had people
come up to me after the season and go, look,
this is one of the best sets I've ever worked
on because your energy is positive and finally, you keep
it light and it's not high pressure and we enjoy
coming to work. So that's what I'm trying to do.
I was gonna say, if if it wasn't desirable, I
think we would have heard it from you right now

(01:05:42):
in your your comedy. I've got a whole routine about
how this show came about them finding me on Google
all of that. I've got a whole routine about it.
Chuck has heard at least like, oh god, you know,
I also want to, you know, commend you on. You know,
I know that the rule of comedy is supposed to

(01:06:04):
be like tragedy plus time equals humor or. I guess
that's the the formula. But you know, all of your
subject matters, you somehow find the seriousness and things that
are like you know that you leave nothing no stone
un turned, like you talked about sleep sleep bap, and
you know you talk about lupus, you know, coming out

(01:06:26):
to your family all these things. How did you Where
did you get to the place where it's like because
you think you have to not care in order for
your world too open up, like usually if people are
superguarded and that sort of thing, then you're not gonna work.
But you have to get to the point where you Yeah,

(01:06:48):
when when did you reach that level? Not that long ago?
You know, I wasn't out for a very long time
because I was like, I'm a black woman in this industry,
I don't look so own way, like do I really
want to give them something else to box leame with?
So for a long time I did not talk about
my sexuality at all. I avoided the question. I never lied,

(01:07:11):
but I always circumvented the questions. Today I asked the questions.
I was like, I was doing this stuff. So at
the beginning of my career, it helped me because I
had to think outside the box as far as materials concerned,
because when everybody else is talking about relationships, I had
to go right, let me think of let me let
me just think of other material So it made my
materials stand out because I wasn't one of those women

(01:07:31):
talking about relationships. I wasn't talking about that stuff. But
then after years, it was like a straight jacket because
I couldn't really open up and be completely myself on
stage because I was holding back a facet of my
personality and I didn't really come out until I started touring.
I was on toy Cat Williams and I was touring

(01:07:53):
with a young Oh yeah, I was there for the
crazy I was there on a on a private jet
with Sugar Knight. I was there for all of that
crazy ship that was happening. I was there for all
of it, all of it, but I was on tour.
I'll tell you that. I'll come back to that. And
I was on tour, and I was on tour with
the young Communian called Shaun tay Waits, who's she's Part

(01:08:16):
of the Way Instid Yeah, and she's a let's Bean comic.
And I loved how unapologetic she was on stage, and
I remember watching her thinking and envying her, thinking, that's
what you do. Just be on the stage and be yourself,
doesn't matter. And it got to the point where you know,
I've done all the things that I'm supposed to do,
be happy, smiley, non threatening, gena for years to try

(01:08:36):
and get on and it hadn't worked. And I was like,
you know what, I'm just gonna do me. I'm gonna
just do me. And I just and I didn't make
a big dealer of coming out. I just slipped a
joke in here and there, slipped a line in here there,
and it make a big deal of it because it's
just one facet of my persone. But it just it
doesn't totally define you exactly, but it just means that
I was completely open and there was nothing I was

(01:08:58):
hiding and my comedy got better? How did it feel like?
Having that realization? So good? And I just like, why
did I wait so long? Like, oh my god, I
wish I had done this years ago. But when I
you know, back, people going, oh, you're you know you're black,
or Williams will dessert you because you know, black people
are home form with me, and so people tell me,

(01:09:19):
but it is because I'm like, look, I built up
a reputation of being a really good comic and really funny,
and so people like me even if you don't, well,
then if you go for every one person I lose,
I gained another five. So yeah, so I wish I'd
done it years ago. But yeah, you know, I'm glad
I did. But as for Cat Williams, yeah, I was

(01:09:40):
on tour twee twelve and you know, Cat one of
the most generous, giving, supportive people, smartest people I've ever met. Yes,
but if you watch this comedy, take out all the
motherfucker's the guy is a genius. Is brilliant. It brilliant.

(01:10:02):
I tell you. They just let the pimp ship get
in the way. But that key the way. All of
that highly intelligent man. Hi, we have wonderful conversations, but
I have wonderful conversations. And the next day he was
like he was So I was like, I don't know
what's getting on, but you know, I just he respected

(01:10:23):
me because again I didn't kiss us. I didn't, you know.
But yeah, I was on that tour with Suldn't you know.
I was left on stage doing hour and a half
set because he I tell you, I tell you one
story that encapsulate the craziness. And at the time, did
you have an hour and a half did you have?

(01:10:43):
I was just proud work or Okay, I've been in
comedy to the nine six, I already had the Queen twelve,
I do already shot two specials. So yeah, let me
tell the story, encapsulate the whole thing. So I'm on turk.
I mean, very generous. The first time Cat was taking
me on tour and he calls me out. You know,

(01:11:04):
the first time I met Cat. I'm in New York.
It's the New York Comedy Festival. Cat is appearing at
the Carnegie Hall, sold out, and I'm going just to
watch the show because my friend Will still Vince was
opening for him. So I'm turning up at the theater.
I'm about to walk in the front to watch the show.
Will Still Vince calls me and I'm like, I'm about
to walk in the theater and taking my feet. He goes,

(01:11:25):
come around to the stage door. So come around to
the stage door, and they go Cat's not here. He's
been arrested on the way to the show. So can
you go up and do twenty minutes? And I'm like, connege,
who fuck? Yeah? So Will when on did his time.
Then I went on and did mine and killed and
towards the end of my set, Cat Williams had been

(01:11:46):
released by the police and he made it and caught
the end of my set, and afterwards he was like,
I like you, I'm gonna take you on tour. And
I was like, yeah, you, I've heard that ship before. Whatever.
And I was visiting New York from l A. So
I was staying at Will's house. The next next day,
I get a call from the woman who books Cats
shows and she's like, uh so, Gina, you did call

(01:12:07):
for Cat Cat me like she he wants to take you.
He's doing what's that place in Jersey that's supposed to
be like Vegas, but it's not um. He goes Cats
doing Atlantic City tonight. He wants you to open for him.
How much did they pay you earth Too for for
Carneguie had? Now? They didn't pay me a penny. I

(01:12:28):
just went up and did twenty minutes. But I weren't
going to say that, so I was like two thousand
dollars and she goes done, we'll see you tonight, and
a car the Sitys turned out to it, and I
was like, funk, I should have said anyway. So the
car put me up and took me to Atlantic City
and I opened for Cat Atlantic City and he's his

(01:12:51):
backstage was like a scene out of New Jack City.
Remember when they had the naked girls just counting my Yeah,
that's because Cat used to insist that you go get
the cash from the box office and pay him. So
they used to have to get box up and let
me cat and so all these girls have you just
they're just catting all these money and go bitch page
and then just come over with the scan milk. But yeah,

(01:13:28):
they he paid me cash and then he just he
said I'm going to take you on tour and I
was like bet so he calls me up. Cat calls
me up, and he goes, Okay, so I want to
take on Turk. I've got a hundred third books about
book time the country. We're gonna make a load of money.
How much do you get paid? So I was like,
I was like, ah, So I was thinking if I
say three thousand, he will knock me down to two.

(01:13:52):
I'll get two grand a show, hundred shows. I'm sets
like three thousand, and Cat goes, I'll give you five.
I'll see you next on Saturday. And I was like what.
And when I first met up a Cat on the tour,
I says, I asked for three Why would you give
Why did you say you give me five? And he goes,
because I know how good you are, because I know good. No,

(01:14:14):
you're worth doing, know you're worth You're worth more than that,
and you're better than that and and and he paid
me five thousand show. Now I was like, oh, my days,
a hundred shows, I'm like half a billion dollars. But
after that first show, I was like, oh, we're not
gonna make it to three shows. So it was sure.
Was Sugar Night touring was yeah, Shure good Night was

(01:14:38):
touring with that so let me tell you this quick story.
So first night we're in Denver, we do the show.
Packed out do the show, I do my set, I
killed have fun short tased as a set. It's great.
Cat goes on and it's a crazy shot. Put it
that way. It was when he was not having good shows,
didn't go well. Um, go backstage, um. And he goes

(01:15:01):
to promote the Live Nation was was doing the show.
He goes to promote, go go get my money, and
they're going. People are walking out and they're demanding their
money back, so we can't give you the money. And
I'm like and and cats like go get my motherfucking money.
And I'm like, oh god, back to go. And I
turned around and I don't even know what happened. I
turned and I just say and I turned back, and

(01:15:23):
the Live Nation guys on the floor, and I'm like,
oh god, I gotta get out here. I gotta get
the brast way. The Live Nation guy got passed in
the face. I'm not gonna say you did it. I
didn't see it. I turned around. I just heard and
then and then yourself he was on the ground. So
I was like, oh god, this is crazy. Uh, this
is this tour is not I'm not gonna make half
a million dollars, but they can't. But they can't get

(01:15:44):
his money. That night, Oh he got his money. So
that was. That was the next day, that was Denver.
The next day we're supposed to be in Sacramento. So
they go right when me. It's all in the love
be at nine am, the plane will get on, the
plane will go to Sacramento. Cool. We're in the lobby

(01:16:04):
nine am, ten am, eleven am, twelve pm. One thing.
We're all just sitting a lobby for hours, and I'm like,
where where's Cat? What's going on? So I'm like, I
go up to me, just knock on the off. Cat.
We've been down there for four hours. What's happening? Right now?
We'll be down to So he sent me and I'm like,
what is getting on? It's like I'm gonna miss these slights.

(01:16:27):
And the woman who's booking the shows, like, I don't know.
We're sur private jet. They're waiting for us on the
run way. Anyway, they charged Cat thirty thou dollars in
late fees. I remember that. Get to we get to
the runway. So we're all get in a convoy. You know,
they put our lugage and all the cars. We all
go to the runway where the jet is a waking wait,
we get on the jet. I'm on the jet with Shouldnight, Bishop, Magic,

(01:16:52):
don't want Yes, Yes, Green is for the money goal,
it's for the honey. Yeah. I'm on the jet with
them and cats, kids and a bunch of other people.
And everybody's like, Where's Cat? Where's Cat? Why is he?
And I was like, he was in a car just
behind us. I don't know where's Cat. This was at
four o'clock in the afternoon at this point. The show
in Sacramento was in seven. At seven, we are in Denver.

(01:17:15):
There was the Sacramento I go ever, we go? Where Cat?
Where's Cat? Whe's Cat? Cat has decided he's going to
drive from Denver to Sacramento. So I'm like, maybe I
don't know America that well, Hello Google, Um, how long
does it take to drive? I'm doing that right now

(01:17:37):
from Denver to seven. And I remembering that, it was like, oh,
it will be nineteen hours or something like that. And
I was like, we're not gonna make the Show's four
o'clock the shows and seven? What is so we sat
on the run way and were trying to get Holy Cats.
So in the end, the pilot goes, listen, we gotta
go otherwise this flight is done. We gotta take off.
So we take off with that cat and we had

(01:18:00):
to divert the plane halfway through the journey to go
pick up Cat in the middle of the desert somewhere.
We had to divert the plane and land and pick
up cat. Cat gets on the plane and he's furious
at us. I don't know what was going on. He
got on the planes like you mcafucker and just cursing,
and I'm sitting there like, what the hell is, what

(01:18:22):
the hell is going on? What is going on right now?
He was going to make it. Yeah, So we get
to you, we get to San Cremento. We are two
hours late for the show. Now. John Witherspoon, God Blessing
God Rest his soul, was also on the tour. But
John Witherspoon had learned early on in the tour you're
not not to get on a plane with Cat. He
was like, I'll get my own jet there, I'll meet

(01:18:44):
you at the gig. So John was already at the game,
but unfortunately they told John. Oh, yeah, cat's on his way.
Just go on stage stretch. He even on stage two
hours when we got there. When we got there, my god,
poor Mr Witherspoon had wept through his entire stink because
he had been on the stage in two hours to say.

(01:19:06):
And when we got there, he had two girls on
stage doing a dance competition because he run out of jokes.
He came up and he was like, oh my god.
Now bear in mind, my stuff was still in a convoy.
So I had to go on stage at this theater
to ten thousand people wearing a T shirt, no broad jeans,

(01:19:30):
and flip flops because my clothes were still in a
convoy driving halfway across the country somewhere. So that was
the second night. So I was like, oh, this isn't.
But after every night they paid me my five thousand cash.
So at one point I did three shows, I had
fifteen thousand dollars and I was like, shouldn't and the boys,
I don't. I don't want him to come in my hotel,
women and living night and dangle me out of the

(01:19:51):
window for it's money. So as soon as you got
to the next time, I run straight to the Chase, like,
can I put this money in the And they're all
looking at me like I'm a drunk dealer because I've
got a pile of cat. Can I can I pay
this in please? And they were looking at me like
and they counting the money, just looking at me sideways.

(01:20:12):
But yeah, it was a crazy tour. You know. I
was there in Seattle. The next night was in Seattle again,
Cat got arrested on the way to the show, So
I will Savinston an hour set. I did an hour set.
John Witherspoon did an hour set and by three hours
in the crowd is like what is you? And the

(01:20:33):
crowd started to destroy the theater like it was a
beautiful theme and Seattle, the crowd weren't mad because arrested
on the way. It was crazy. And the next day
we were supposed to be in Texas and who rounded
this tour? We were in Texas the next day ten
thousand people sold out. The people who right who ran

(01:20:55):
the venue were like, we ain't opening these doors until
we know that that the cat is in the city,
because we heard about what happened, and yet we heard
about what happened in Sacramento. We ain't opening these doors,
and the tour managers like, oh, no, no cats on
the way. But Cat is still in freaking is still
in California. He ain't even left it. They're like, now

(01:21:18):
he's checked into a hotel and the guy's like, no,
he hasn't, because we called all the hotels in the
area and he's not there, so we aren't. In fact,
if he ain't here by seven o'clock were cancer in
this show, and obviously he was never gonna they canceled
the show. Ten thousand people outside they canceled the show.
So John Witherspoon at this point was like, I'm out.

(01:21:39):
I'm out, And he got on a plane and he
went back home. And I was like, well, my flight
home was booked from the next city, so I had
to get on the tour of us and go to
the next city. And obviously Cat never just turn just
didn't turn up, and and I just got a plane
and went back to I did. I did five shows.
I was paid for free. Wow, that's how But you

(01:22:03):
know what, he paid me more for those shows that
I'd asked than i'd asked for. So, as far as
I'm concerned, he didn't know me nothing because I'd asked
the free expectant to he paid me five. So yeah,
he's crazy like that. You know. Cat once chased me
on a dirt bike. I was driving my car. We
did a show, remember the show we did with Lauren

(01:22:25):
Hill for like the BT Awards, like the BT Awards Weekend.
It was like Lauren, I forget who it was, but
this this guy kept trying to I thought, trying to
car jack me or something. And the last thing I
was expecting was and it was like those you know
the bicycles where it's like an adult tricycle. Oh yeah, yeah,

(01:22:48):
he had like an adult tricycle, right, And I was like,
I was near skid Row, Like we were leaving the
Staples Centers, but you know, like skid Rose near there.
So that's what I thought. Was he kept Now it's
like it's Cat Williams and I'm just like to spicicle.
Yeah he my cat story. I met Kat When one

(01:23:09):
time I met Cat, Yeah, there's you know every STU.
I met him once. Yeah, he was at the we
did the show and uh, this is the House of
Blues back you know when House of Blues in l
A on sunset and it was like us, I think
like us dillated people's quality and like some other people
and uh a little brother. I think we were read
like first or second, go on whatever. But we did
the show and it was dope. We went off, and

(01:23:30):
so afterwards we went up to like the little area
where they were just having drinks and just kind of
social area, and Cat is there and he just comes
up to me and like, you know, I think it's
his people's were and he's like, yo, it's Cat whatever.
You know. He he loved the show whatever. I'm like, oh,
this dope, what's up? So I just walked up to
like what's up? Man? He gets it to me, leans in.
He's like, when Obama get in office, the people that's

(01:23:51):
gonna be looking for something different and they're gonna be
wanting something new, and y'all are gonna be part of
that something new. And up until the time when you
really take off, if you need twenty thirty g s
just to put in your pockets, you come hollier at me.
I was like, what the funk? So then he calls
his girl always like to get my number. What. So

(01:24:13):
I'm just talking to this girl. I don't know who
she is. I'm just like Okay, I don't wait what
is and I bro that's what he said. And I
was like okay, and he gave me well, I mean,
he didn't give me like no money, but she gave
me a number and I gave her number to my
manager at the time, and I just went the way.
I was just like, okay, I don't know what that was,
but that's what he does. And he's just sit at
the back of comedy clubs and if he liked your set,

(01:24:34):
he'd cool you over and go whatever I got in
my pocket money. That's another time I let my show
and he just cool me open. He's like, where did
I got my money in my pocket? And he took
out five dollars. He just gave it to me. That's
what he used to do. He's a and he was
right about your future. How about that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
he saw it. Whatever they say about he's a good dude,

(01:24:58):
a genius comic, eniut comics, one of the best comics
working to day, without a doubt, just one of the
best and had a good dude. His heart is good.
He's crazy, but it's hot. My question was totally I'd
say mine for last because it's a totally kind of
off the question, but I'll let you go. No, I

(01:25:18):
wanted to know, like what what comedians do you enjoy
working with? Or who do you not even working with?
Like who do you laugh at? Like who is your favorite? Gosh,
there are so many general too general to ask, you know,
obviously the the usual suspects, but I like to name
comics that people might never have asked off. Please do.

(01:25:39):
Like there's a comedian called Aaron Jackson funny black woman Hillo,
and she just did one of Tiffany specials. Okay, I
gotta give Tiffany and shout out like she's bringing people
through like she's money. She put her own money in
to make these specials, to make sure that everybody got

(01:26:00):
paid public. She put her own money in. That's what
I'm talking about. She's bringing people through Like you know,
a lot of people make it and they just don't
really go back to pull the others forward, pull others
up with them. Tippany is not that person. She goes
back and she goes to get so, you know, shout
out of Tippany. She's a she's a diamond. But yeah,
Evan Jackson, hilarious young comedian called Joe L. Johnson hilarious. Like,

(01:26:25):
there's a lot of black women are out there just
doing good things and they need breaks. There's so many
good ones out there, So I like to name, I
like to name, but way and my sister got the
comedy special. I mean, we're all out there doing it.
We're all out there doing it. But yeah, these are
comics that should be getting you know. I'm glad Earon
got her special, she got a shine. But yeah, a

(01:26:49):
long time in this business, we need more, we need
more like that. I could name the usual suspects, but
that's boring. Everybody names the saying everyone knows them. All right,
So now you know now that the book is out
there and catch handed, please buy it. It's out today, Yes,
it's out. I was gonna say, it's a good book.

(01:27:09):
Do you do you hope to option it for movie
rights to do your life story or absolutely? There are
crazy stories in there. I've led a life and I've
had a journey and I definitely want to option it serialization.
So what So my question what American actress plays Gina

(01:27:30):
Yasha in your movie? Who who would your cast to
play you? Cynthia Revo? No, no, no, check it, Yeah,
check it. This might be an unpopular opinion. Aretha loved
her in that Reretha join for me. The only thing, yeah,

(01:27:53):
it was the only that the Wreatha joint. I loved it.
The only place where it fell apart was the singing
and not because simply can't sing. Like I thought they
should have pulled the ray but I don't know if
they had rights to the music, but where they just
just kind of limp. Yeah, the family would not fee.
They didn't get permission, so they couldn't get all the

(01:28:13):
famous Reefer songs. But she's she killed that role I
thought she did with everybody showed up. Okay, Gina black Brille,
Yeah yeah, who see theoryvo that's who plays on the
lifetime special, the lifetime version of a cute version of me. Yeah. Right,

(01:28:39):
So this is the question I need to know for
as black Brick, it's very it's rare do we get
like black Brits on this show? So this is this
is a question I've never asked, What, in your opinion,
is the greatest Black British song? And why is it
Return of the Mac Thinking the show's over yo? That

(01:29:07):
on SHO Tuesday. Yet let's talk come on the other day.
I was watching some movies, some TV show and they
used it and I was like, it was it might
have been it was your girl j I was like,
what was that song like in Europe? Like what was
it going off? Like? He was about to be a

(01:29:28):
big star. He was about to be a big star.
And then he and the press started turning against him
and his career disappeared. But he was he was gonna
be a big star. People were singing that song. He
was huge, it was a big and I was still
saying that song. I was was firsthand witness to that
song working. Yeah, I was. I was first hand witnessed.

(01:29:49):
But I think he kept like trying to I think
in ninety five the thing was sort of like I
gotta get more pressed by being more angster. I always
felt like all those arrest that he was getting into
it was like on on purpose, just to yeah and generate,
don't career because the press turned against him and that

(01:30:10):
was the end of that. It was stupid. Yeah, I
don't know where it is now. And you got me
with you got me with that. We gotta find Mark Morrison. Um, well,
we thank you for coming on the show. Congratulations, congratulations
on some extra freedom. I know you ain't totally free,
but you've seen three of the most I'm sorry, and

(01:30:33):
I want to come on that podcast with Jul Scott too.
I lunch of Scott, all right, I'm gonna you on
their pocket. Yeah that's and let her once and she
gave me a number and I lost. That was so mad.
I was at the BT Awards in two thousand and
eight and I was doing red carpet stuff and they
people tried to drag it past me and I was like, no,
you ate door. Scott come all away from England to

(01:30:54):
the Chip you bet, I don't walk past on this
red carpet. And then she came back and she was
like you a girl from Theft comedy Chavling was like yes,
and she was like, oh, you're funny and I was
like yeah. And then she performed later on in the
evening and it was for all these BAT executives and
they were being all too cool for school, like sitting
there and I got up and I was dancing, mouthing
all the words to us songs. She was like nanke

(01:31:15):
you and she's like, here's my number if you ever
need anything cool me and then that fucking fun crust
and I never got in touch with your school and
I was so mad at myself. So tell her it's done.
Now you don't on the show. That's done, it's done.
That's gonna be crazy. Um well, thank you for coming
on the show. Um on behalf of Team Supreme. Yeah,
Fantigolo and Sugar Steve, thank you, Gina, thank you very

(01:31:39):
much there, Gina. Yes, and this is question Leve. We'll
see on the next go around, of course, Supreme. Thank you. Yo.
What's up? This is Fonte. Make sure you keep up
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