August 31, 2022 • 48 mins
Speaking with QLS to promote her new book Walking In My Joy: In These Streets, actress and author Jenifer Lewis gives Team Supreme raw and uncut jewels of wisdom. Questlove calls this a top-3 all-time guest interview, and you'll see why in part 2 of this inspiring discussion.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Question Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio.
All Right, y'all, welcome back to another QLs. Alright, So
last week you remember Jennifer Lewis gaymore on Court Love Supreme,
and the accomplished actress talked about traveling the world, mental health,
and sex addiction. She even sang me a song on
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the piano. All right, here's part two. Jennifer gives a
powerful life advice touches on her new book, which is
called Walking in My Joy in These Streets, which is
out now. You know, as I said before, this is
probably one of the best interviews we've ever done on
this podcast, so listen. It's probably the only interview in
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which I didn't ask one question that I was planning on.
Just she took over. I hope you enjoyed it. All right, Okay,
I'm I'm gonna take this a little bit to the
creative because this is what I admire about you the most.
How can you get? And this is I know we're
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gonna step I know this answer is going to be
an hour, but how can you truly one of the
things that I hope to finally rid myself of, and
if I could rid myself of this, it's curtains, and
that is how do you rid yourself of the chip
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that overthinks people pleasing or all other people are gonna think,
or giving a funk about what other people think. Because
I still old habits die hard, and I know like
the thing, the one struggle I have in the last
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like the one thing I've not completed it in my transformation,
is my need to pause and think about what other
people think before what I think for approval, I got you, Pumpkin.
The reason why my mouth is a gape at every
answer that you're giving is because I I truly envy
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the fact that I don't have this level of freedom.
Ask yourself this, This won't be an our answer. This
is a brief one because this is an easy one
for me. I've never given a funk what people think
about me. I'm like, bitch, step your asser side, I'm
coming through now. Listen. Ask yourself this. Oh, if you
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were laying in the hospital on your death bed with
that person who is given who you are giving a
funk about, who probably don't even give a funk about you.
What they come into that hospital and say to you,
let me die for you? Quest whoa now listen to
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the end of it. And if they're not willing to
die for you, why are you living for them? H God,
damn shit. I thought it was gonna go after the rails. No,
that that shit hit me so hard in the gut. Man,
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What that person that you're sitting there obsessing over Come
in there and say, oh, let me die for you
know they won't because they can't get into reality. Quest,
I'll come for your ass. Don't you dare? Don't you dare?
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Don't you dare? Not that one, that's an easy one.
Damn sh it was hard. If they are not willing
to die for you, why are you living? Father? If
they are not willing to die, it's the affirmation story.
Next question, next question? Please, Yeah, I gotta handle it.
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I got I gotta ponder. I literally had to remember that.
You remember the Matthew Knows woman where I had to
take time out I'm having right now. They are not
willing to die for you, a man, Why are you
living for them? I got this? Okay, here's my question.
What is joy to you? Oh? Please, please bring please
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It's one of my favorite words. It is a brief answer. Also,
m hm. The day I touched bliss. Nobody uses that word.
Who the fund goes around talking about? Fucking word probably
comes up once all over the universe once Bliss. Listen
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to me the day I touched Bliss? What's the day
I took responsibility for every choice I had made, was
going to make, and the choice I was making at
that moment to learn, Oh that I am responsible. You
can point the finger and blame all the fuck you want.
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And even if you're laying next to somebody at night,
your headache is your own hm. So stand up, standing
your joy. When you don't know what to do, do nothing,
stick your ass in Central Park or having the funk
you live, you go find a tree, You sit down
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and hush, be still, Be still and know this is
your life. You are the center of it. You are
the master of your universe. All of those planets and
stars that you see, the Milky Way, the nebulous, they're
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in you. How dare you not stand up and appreciate
mighty ficus trees, jacar Ronda's and crape myrtles and agapanthas
and grass itself? Oh come on, Jesus, grass, what about grass? Ah? Shut?
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We don't even look at it. We just take it
for granted. And yet who and yet there are more
stars in the universe, and there are grains of sand,
and that includes every beach on this planet. Take that
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ship in. I don't even know if it's true, but
somebody told me that ship. And I have a line.
I have a line in my new book, and it says,
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let me enjoy this moment, Let me laugh as loud
as I want, because I'm a need just It just
might be true, but it's not gonna hurt me to
imagine this. My laughter. The energy from my laughter may
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reach a nebula and hold my consciousness to it to
create its life. Don't funk with me, y'all. Don't funk
with me. I'm thinking about nebulus for the next generation.
We don't know if human beings, but just you night,
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we could have pushed back. Katrina. Mhmm. You take that in.
There's your metaphor for how powerful you are. I believe
in mankind. These are not dark times. With the bullshit
that's going on. Things are awaken and times, so wake
the fuck before this bitch becomes the Nazi state. You're
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gonna just ride out no matter where what happens here,
Like I'm gonna go somewhere. Let me tell you something. Okay,
it's it's ours, we built it. Let me tell you something.
If that motherfucker is elected. Mm hmm, I will personally
fly to DC. Listen to me. I know I'm watching ship.
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Listen to me. I don't watch ship, all right. Listen
to me. Okay, uh huh. I will personally fly to Washington,
d C. And I will climb that fence and take right.
Listen to me. Listen to me carefully. I will take
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that bullet for the next generation. If me going down,
We'll make you motherfucker's rods. I'll take that bullet. You
understand the darling, I've I've lived. My little nephew came
running over to me because we were sitting around talking
about death at the beginning of COVID, because everybody contemplated
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uh their death during that time since we didn't know
about it at the beginning. My little left room washed all.
But he said, te Jenny, you're not You're not afraid
to die. I said, no, baby, I'm not. He said why,
I said, because I've lived. Don't funk with me. Yeah,
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Am I scared? Listen me, am I scared? No, you
are not just to me. Yeah, but no, I'm scared,
but I'm not afraid. See to be scared. It's okay,
we're human. These motherfucker's are shooting out children in the back.
Yeah I'm scared. These motherfucker's have gone crazy. Yeah I'm scared,
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but I am. I am afraid. Am I afraid? Shoot me, bitch?
You live with it that you want to know the
real freedom? Not even me can stop me. That's how.
That's how powerful the gift is. Shoot me, bitch. I'm
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gonna live forever. Oh you will. I'm gonna live forever
in that. Let me tell you in that. You remember
the matrix they dodged the bullets. Yes, yes, well I
can kick my leg up still, but I keep being
back like I used to. But guess what, what what what?
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There is nothing on this planet. That's why Trump can't
do nothing with Obama. Love is the greatest weapon. Don't
ever forget that. That's why I feel sorry for him
in many ways, because Obama, lad with love, you can't
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destroy that. I don't get fun. What you do gonna
take Frederick Douglas and dr King out of your goddamn books.
Those people will live forever. You can't it. Race love,
you dumb son of a bitches. You cannot you love,
you can't. Baby. I wish the bitch would let me
tell you what happened to me. I couldn't believe it,
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and pulling out white woman, white woman, Karen, God bless her.
I never thought I would experience that. She told me.
She asked me to back up. She's she pushed her hand.
I went, okay, so I backed up. She did it again.
Back up, bitch, And she didn't say that, but I
felt that. But I backed up anyway. And then then
she got out of a car and I went half way.
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Ma y'all, I said, is this happening? And I sat there.
I said to myself, don't do it, Jenny, Jenny, don't
do it. Don't do it. Jenny didn't work. I got
out of that fucking car. Hekay, stop me, but watching
how y'all. I went over to her. I said, what's wrong? Baby?
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She said, I need you to back up. I lived
south of the boulevard. I can't, I said, okay, I
did not hold on. I said hold on, baby, I said,
guess what. Hold on a minute? Hold on that bit up,
I said, hold on, baby, I said, guess what? She
said what I said, We're too beautiful to do this.
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I said, look at you, You're gorgeous and so am
I I had on my road and a mask, but
I said, look, and how beautiful you are? It said, girl,
we don't need to do this. We're fabulous. For two seconds,
a smile came on her face, like really, I am beautiful,
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But she couldn't hold it because she hadn't practiced walking
and a joy. So you gotta have it in you
to balance it when the bullshit presents itself. I know
that I got. I got some of that bad bitch
skin it rubber, but see, because you gotta love me.
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But because for those two seconds she became human, I learned, Jenny,
this is how you must face it. You must face
it with love, darling. Don't fight them. You're sixty five
is almost down to your navel. I'm kidding. Yeah, great,
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you know I love you know I look good, honey.
You know I know I'm cute. My mama I looked
like my mom. My mom was so pretty. But you know,
I never I gotta tell y'all, never paid attention to
my looks. You know, you'll see me on the red carpet.
I'm very casual, and I say this with great humility.
I got so much fucking telling. Get I look, I'm
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coming in the room, bitch. I know who I am. Although,
can I just say you'll look mad us? Not to
throw back to the book, though, but I appreciate this.
This the part where you talk about why the afro
was so important and every hairstyle that you kind of
showcased on black Ish because listen, but did not say
that ship Yes, she said that ship carry is the
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only thing on this planet that defies gravity. Good God, Yes,
I have of my fucking hair. Look at my head.
I go out of here with that. And these are
antend us to God, think antennas. Look at your hair.
It's an anti God fake. It's curling, like you need
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your noctoral hair so that you can't hear and live
and feel the wisdom of the ages. You think, man,
do ain't talking to me? You think Gandhi and and
and who else? Did I want all? Love them? All
of them? This is not the first time I heard that.
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I told y'all, I tug on so journalist skirt when
I have to get up sometime and don't want to.
I like that you gotta tug on their skirts, don't
pull them too hard. They that's a little tutor something,
just like just that's just a little bit. It's truth.
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It's truth. I need you this morning, if you will
just help me get out of this bed. And she
ain't never told me nolla. Most show hosts that our
interviewers often dream of that segment and their interview and
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which they asked the question that will really penetrate and
break their guests into tears, you know, like the Barbara Walters.
Of course, I think this is the first show in
history in which the interviewer like, I've I've received absolutely
everything you said, but I'm still so fucked up about
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why are you living for other people? I'm still funked
up from what you told me twenty minutes ago that
I'm sitting here literally like they won't for you. Why
are you living? Right? But I'm sitting here like now,
You're not gonna cry right now, You're not gonna cry
on your own goddamn show like you do whatever you
want to You isn't I know, But I'm just like this,
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this is an anomaly where the host is literally just flat.
You know, maybe it's maybe it's the day, maybe it's Lyne.
You know, it's also Lionsgate. It's it's it's August eleven. Okay, Yes,
I'm very much into Cleadan culture and what's okay, I'm
sorry forget tonight tonight as of this recording, it's it's
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a full moon. Okay. Okay. That's especially in this age
that we're in, um what what they call lions Gate.
This is where the start, the way that the stars
aligned in August. Um, this is where this kind of
from from the eighth of August probably until the third
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team this week is where um, most people let's try
to manifest or or or bringing their abundance in or
they work on getting rid of of old habits. So
I'm again working on the ladder of getting rid of
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of old habits, you know. And so I'm one that
simplifies that. I just you know what I do. I
give the moon a little sugar every night. I send
the kiss up there and say, how you doing? Baby?
You all right? I want to thank you for balancing
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us out. You're doing all right? And when I go
to the toilet, let me tell you what I do.
When I'm sitting on the toilet. Sometimes I will project
myself to the moon and I looked down on myself.
I looked down on the United States. I say, where
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as you know in the States? Oh there it is
worst California. Oh there it is worst, Los Angele there
it is, there it is. And then I start to laugh. Huh,
and I stay there. I am, Oh there you are, Jenny,
look at you, look at your laugh, and you're okay.
So you gotta make friends with fucking Saturn. That bitch
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up there's spinning. That's the prettiest bitch out there. Say hello.
Sometimes say hello to a tree, thank her for a
fucking shade. That's our life too. These bitches stand in
the seasons, vulnerable with no leaves, ice and snow coming
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down on it. And then that bitch. But the reason
she takes in the winter, it's because she knows that
spring is coming, so she stands there and winters along.
Thank you very much. You'll see it's the seasons. I
know about the seasons because depression is seasonal, right. I
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know about joy because I'm aware two incorporate color into
my life. I wish I could show y'all my home.
I see the green, I see the beautiful green and
number colors on my wall. Happy, ain't nothing sad on
Somebody tried to sell me an African mask with the
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bitch had that said, bitch, I want that ship in
my house. I need people. I don't want that sad
bitch over there, that sad bitch off my wall. Ship.
Put a bit up there with some tea out of here.
With that. You don't get them sit up and watch
sadass movies. You get curious. This is what's okay? Days
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after us? Okay, it's all. It's really both she and
I are are January twenty Yeah, okay, here's the deal,
my ex and I guess it's the first time I'm acknownced. Yes,
look on finte his face right now? Why even though
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Grace and I are very amicable? Yeah we okay, how
are they? I'm fifty one? All right, new weekend day?
You one day, let's go, let's go, let's go right now. No,
don't kill him. I don't think he's ready. Y'all. Are
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y'all recording from New York? Yes, in New York right now? Okay, Uh,
I'm gonna call you when I get there. We're gonna
go out on a day. Okay, so too, So y'all
leave him alone. I'm gonna get him in New York.
Y'all leave us alone. My point out. Let me get
my point out. So the one thing face right now,
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the one thing that she would always do that you know,
and I've been very uh, extremely clairvoyant on you know,
just one what our relationship was. Um, but I did.
I was like, Okay, why do you feel it's necessary
to talk to all the trees on the property and
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the plants and everything. Don't be don't go crazy and no, no, no,
but every tree. But you know, I was like, okay, okay,
well we'll acknowledge. Leave alone, leave alone, let us talk
to many trees as you But but to hear you
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say that, I was like, all right now, No, you
can't talk to every motherfucking tree. You can't be crazy.
And I'm not putting her down. No, no, no, she
doesn't talk to every tree. But that's her level, her
level of joy and life appreciation. Her whole thing was
like ingratitude. Like she will say, oh I love that
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color of red, I love that, I love that, and
I love that and I loved like she was always
in a constant state of gratitude and joy. But there
was a point where, like, you know, I'd look at
at we we have a large tree and in our apartment.
I was just like, well, now, I'm I don't know
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if I'm gonna talk to the tree the way she speaks,
but I just let's see if there But she yeah,
I mean now that you've doubled down on it, now
I have a different relationship with the tree inside my house.
So well, here's the thing. Whatever you're looking, whatever you're
looking at, is what and who you are. Who's ever
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in front of you, that's who you are. It's a
reflection of yourself, whether there's a tree or fucking aunt. Okay,
if it's a fun what it is? Uh, you know,
I just got back from Safari eight eight fucking lioness
coming towards me with them fucking claws and paws. I
went gay, But it was me. It was me coming
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see we see and what you know, the beautiful thing
about life is you have to be ready to adhere
to the music of the symphony that is being played.
That's like I said, this ain't no fucking rehearthal y'all.
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This is Miles, this is Mozart. It is the music
that is the answer. The music is the pumping of
the heart. That's why we when we hear boom boom, boom,
boom boom, we got to boom because that's what's pumping
in us. Don't get it twisted. Allow people to be
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who they are. You have to answer the call and
say is that a reflection of me? And if it's not, uh,
maybe you got more summers left than me. I don't
let no drama in my life no more. There's enough
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of it outside of my home. Somebody walking my home
and don't say this is beautiful, you earned it. I
say I got to go because I don't want to
be with that person. You'd be nice, be present and
be nice and if there's drama, you show got to go.
I just fired my entire team. I was gonna say
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now that this is going to be completely a life
advice episode. How And that's one thing that I had
to do. I fired more people in the last year
in company. And I hate and again that old, old
old mirrors shutting off and I hate confrontation. I hate
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not manning up. But yeah, I've run this organization, and
again I was in the thin line of Hey, I'm
everyone's friend. I want people to like me, but I
also have to be their boss. How do you spring
clean your life? You have to pay attention and journal
in the morning and at night. What did that kid
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do today? Is the assistant doing their job. I shouldn't
have to go over there and tell you to write
that email. Bitch, do your fucking job. Oh this money
I'm paying your ass The millennials, I love the millennials.
They're my heart and soul. But they came up with technology.
They don't know anything about social skills and badness. They
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don't know nothing about manners. You cannot have them. You
need young people to work for you because you don't
the energy you used to have. You have to be
very selective. I have a new assistant. You met her, Cecily.
She's lovely, she's smart. My last assistant wanted to lounge.
He it was like a therapy session. I'm like, nigger,
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I got time to shrink you. It's wrong with you
gonna I gonna sit up here and shrink you. Motherfucker's
all day. The cheft, my little cheft hacks not to
say you need to put that on a T shirt
because I know everybody wants him shrinking. Yeah, where my
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cheff would come in here, that bitch would start dropping.
I'm like, bitch cooking, leave the funk out there. No,
the shift, and then here it comes the fucking assistant.
Where I minute, here comes the fucking assistant and oh
he got in a fight with his lover. Bitch, it's
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that to watch him write the check to love women.
Here comes the housekeeper. I said, baby, can you get
that brass sink? It's only one in the little powder room.
I go on that that bit and this ship, but
put a little comment on that motherfucker. I'm like, girl,
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get your ass out of here. If I had done
that women, if I had done that ship without a
little girl, my mother would have threw my ass out
of the house. Get your ass out of here. I
come from another generation, but we don't play. You clean
this ship up, because what you don't know that I know.
If it's your house is dirty, then so are you.
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I backed that ass up. You listen to me, You
listen to me. This is something my therapist. You should
tell me, that bitch. But anyway, no, I hate that
bitch I've been with eighty years. No, you know, are
you still with her? Okay? Girl, the funk up? I
love her? You kidding that bitch? Help talk? Well you're
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the one, listen. That's the one that wasn't scared. That's
why I stayed with that. Yeah. I was like, when
you finished, I wanted you to ask about how you
find your good therapist because you had you had a
point you was making. But no, that's who who's holding
that point? Because it was a good one. All right,
somebody remembered. If you don't, weren't, Suppo, stay, let me
tell you about the Yeah, my therapist. I raged in
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a session once and I was screaming so loud. Oh
my god. Remembering it gives me chills. And when I
got to the door to leave, I looked at her
and I had the tears going out, like I'm really,
really really sorry, I mean rage so much. She looked
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at me. She said, Jennifer, I see you two times
a week. That's two hours. The rest of the time,
you gotta live with yourself. I went, good, damn live
with myself? What a fucking what? I paid attention to
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that jumped out, I live with myself. Isn't that's something.
Now let's see now what is that self? Well, I'll
be damned. I don't think I know. See, this was
early therapy. So I wrote, y'all, and I wrote, and
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I wrote, and I wrote, and I lived. I lived
on purpose. I experienced. I listened. That was a big
one for me. I listened to nobody. I'm like, bitch,
I know what I'm doing. Ha. And then i'd be
at the bottom of Grand Canyon. I fell almost fell
off that motherfucker, the Grand Canyon. Not you're did honey?
I went out, honey. I went out on that bluff
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and a wind came up. I thought I could go
out there because I saw another man out there. What
unbeknownst to me, he had his arm around the rock
and he was taking picture. Then I have no rock, baby.
When that breeze came up, I slid a flat. You
know you gotta go flat because ben came blowing. If
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you're down, baby, my friends were over there talking. They
didn't even know ship had happened. I crawled, I crawled
back to safety, crawled. I was nearly drowned in the
Pacific Ocean. When that third wave came and smacked the
ship out of me, and I having no air in
my lungs, I heard a voice and I was drowning
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and I was in shock. I was actually pulled to
shore and given uh whatever's called CPR, and pump water
out of me. About ten gallons of water came out
of me. What but a voice came to me as
I was being tossed around in the big wave. There
was a hurricane off the Baja Mexico and the waves
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were tall as the Alps that day. And like a
damn fool, I went out there on a boogieboard, dumbass.
So I heard a big voice come inside of me
because I knew it was over. I knew I was dead.
I had no air h and it said, thank you God.
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I had a great time, and I did, and I
was ready to go. That was a huge moment for me.
I didn't mind dying because I was having such a
good time. And if you gotta go, bitch, go with
a smile on your face. I was sucking about something
on my bike the other day, you know, I cycled.
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I was you know, I said, get it out, Jenny,
you're on your bike, just get it out. And I
started huffing and puffing about some ship. And then I stopped.
You see, I Shane, and I watched this one. I
said to myself, here is what happened. Let me give
it to you. A big truck went by, and it did.
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It reminded me of the north Ridge earthquake. Um hm. See.
So when that happened, I realized that it could have
been an earthquake, and I could have died on that bike.
There's your five minutes. And I said to myself, you're
gonna go down like this? Is that how you're gonna
go down? Jenny, huffing and puffing about some bullshit after
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all the work you've done. What if it was five minutes?
Still a girl. Now, let's get a smile on your
face and pump this hill. But you can't do that
if you haven't practiced balance. You gotta understand. Some ship's coming, y'all.
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The phone's gonna ring. Somebody gonna be dead, dead, dead,
it's coming. It's called life as a line from The
Untouchables with Kevin Costner and Sean Connery. When Sean Connery
has been stabbed down there to death, oh or shot,
he looks at Kevin Costner. And says, because he's he
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can catch his killer. There's a he knows. John Connery
knows Kevin Costner can go and take care of this
man who has shot him. And he looks at Kevin
Costner with blood coming out of his mouth, and he says,
what are you prepared to do? What are you prepared for?
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So if you have been prepared and you're still using
the same fucking ingredients that made you depressed, instead of
some sugar, why don't you put just a little cayenne
on it instead of south Why don't you put just
a little coup on it. Change the recipe. Mhm, change
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the recipe. Baby. But you can't do it if you
don't do the groundwork, because it won't fill you up.
You'll be filled with the same thoughts day after day
after day after day. And the last thing I want
to say is help somebody. You go help somebody, even
if it's helping an old woman across the street. You
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know why, huh, It's gonna make you feel good. It'll
make you feel good just to do a little good
deed every day because it don't cost nothing. Of course,
that old woman may stab the ship out, even stabbish out,
you may shoot you. I wouldish you know what. Look,
I wish I could tell you about the book. The
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book is so good, and I don't forget about dickmatized
but all well, you know that Betise, I can't talk
about this dictobiz is about the con artists Mathea. So
you know, I tell it all. And I didn't even
know he was the one that told t m Z.
I was like up. I called the next day to
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get his picture on the air because I knew if
I was in as much pain as I was, what
with all the work I've done, I knew what other
women would be suffering. And I do that sign of
a bitch was still loose. He's in jail now. You
know I gotta make years eight motherfucker than listen, y'all,
I kept in private down that motherfucker for five years.
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That's in as expensive goddamn straight. What else someone do
with my money but try to help somebody with it.
I listen to me, what do you still at the
stage in your life? Do you still believe in love?
I believe love is seasonal as far as partners and
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that sort of thing. Look at her, look at me.
I'm looking at you. I believe in loves. I believe
in love of you. Know. I gotta tell you something.
Let me be honest. I live alone. My nephew lives
with down in the lower level. What the drag queen
was mhm. I have a beautiful, little cute dog that
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has me by the nose. I have loved four men
in my life. I was engaged to all four of them.
M But I didn't get married because I didn't want
anybody to think that they were in control of me.
I'm too I'm too much of an alpha. I just am.
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Don't try what the net me get the funk out
here with that, I'm wont do what I want to
know what I want to do it. I want to
do it until God says that's enough. Girl's a dast
down and I go sit down too, because my tarma
is instant. God, Baby, they all suck the air out
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of my lungs. If I if I turn this around
to the dark side, I have this joke where God
is up in heaven and she looks down, she calls
she sees me, and then she calls one of the
cronies over and she says, you see that one, and
the crown. He says, Wait, the one right there. She says, no,
the one with the mouth. And then God says to
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her sister girl, She says, we better get her on
our side or we're gonna lose this thing. Y'all hear
me talking. My life is dedicated to the next generation
that they have rights to the American dream that I did.
I have lived the American dream. I have lived the spectrum.
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I told one journalist, I've had my day in the sun.
Now I am the sun. Call me arrogant, call me
anything you want. That's true, that's true. But I ain't
doing nothing but trying to lead with love. I really
truly am. Like I told you all my ships thinks
I'm far from perfect, but damn it feels good to
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feel this good. It really does. I get a little
scared of my joy sometimes because not a lot of
people have it, so you feel like, damn any press motherfucker's.
But that's why I try to help them too, because
I know what they're struggling against. And I actually like
the fact that we did an entire episode of Question
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of Supreme where we absolutely positively talked about nothing professional, good, good,
and you know, and for our listeners. I will hope
that you appreciated this as much as we did. But
I felt the way the episode was going this is
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these are gyms and pearls of wisdom that I wouldn't
get by just asking what's your favorite movie? Or you know,
your your creative process. But I do want to least
close with one professional question. And and you know, I
come from a generation in which, I guess probably one
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of the most monumental shows on television, the the the
Infamoucy Word on Nbcah. I never thought that that show
could be topped by a country mile and I was
gladly proven wrong because you know the way that you
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guys in these eight years on Blackish have conquered almost
every I mean you've conquered almost every taboo subject that
I don't think any other, including good time like you know,
some precedent in it now that it's over mm hmm.
(41:00):
And I knew that you can't stop. Are there any
professional h endeavors or or an itch that you want
to scratch that you have yet to do? Not? Really? Uh,
they know, not really? No? I mean yeah, it told
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me Tom to read your entire resume. So I'm gonna
tell you why uh you know, uh ken you Barris
offered me my own show. I'm be honest with you.
I don't want to work that hard. I want to
I want to travel and enjoy myself. Thank you for
that honesty too. Oh oh no, honey, they payed off
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to me when I was forty, I would have been
oh but no, no, no no, I'm sixty five and no, no,
no no. I know the work it takes to be
the star of a show. Although I know Lawrence, I
loved working with him, and he and I would have
been brilliant on a show called Oldish. But and I'm
glad you guys got married at the end. Yeah, I
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love him, but listen with his schedule and mine and COVID.
COVID was the thing that really stopped it. But I
was not willing to work that hard anymore. Even the
new series. I'm on, I love that for you. I
am the third lead and I like that. Just let
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her nigga come in and say one line to take
the ship over and go home. Leave me the funk alone.
I ain't got it. I don't need two lines, bitch,
to steal the whole guy. That that a bitch, come
in and go home and send a carbage anyway. So
I'm just saying, these are definitions of freedom. People are
y'all listening? It is? It is freedom. Let me tell
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you something. And I love my freedom. I loved eating
when I want to eat as much as I want
to eat, or it's little, I want to eat without
somebody saying you're gonna eat all that? Motherfucker. Ha Yo.
I'm standing on a ship between with the hold on
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a minute, with the moon coming up on my left.
I'm standing at the bow of the ship. The moon
is rising on my left and the sign is setting
on my right, and I'm standing there, and I'm on
my way to Commodo Island to hang out with the
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with the motherfucker's over there, the prehistoric mother. I love myself.
I love you. You think I'm gonna have somebody come
out of the presidential suite and say to me through
the French doors that he had difficulty opening, you're ready
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to go eat? Not happening. I'm sorry, girls, I have
I've worked myself out of the game, and that's all
right with me. I'm sixty five. I don't need all
that honey, with that sex addiction. I've had enough sex
to get me through eighteen lifetimes. I don't know, ain't through,
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all right, you already know hardy through. I want to
hear see it. Wait minute, I would tell you this.
That motherfucker better coming here and look and sound like Obama.
If you're coming, I don't want nothing less you get out. Yeah,
your mouth to God's ears. Yeah. Well, I hope a
bunch of Obama's for all of us. I gotta tell y'all.
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I gotta tell y'all something. I love life. I love people.
I love making him laugh. I've been making them laugh
since I was five years old. We're gonna be all
right if we stand as the people. Do you understand?
M We have to. We have to love each other
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and be kind to each other. We are so fragile,
we are fragile creatures, we are, but we are so powerful. Mhm.
Be kind to your bodies. Look at what you're putting
inside of it. See it as the temple. It is yours,
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So are you got take care of it so you
can enjoy. And maybe one day you'll be in the
Himalans and one day maybe you'll be at Petra h.
Go on and live and live well, leave people alone,
stop trying to change people all that dumb ship when
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you find you like this morning, I had an interview
and that we couldn't get on the zoom and it
was them SNBC. That's important. I don't like to be late,
and I was just getting ready to just go off,
like what the you know? But guess what I said?
Be still, We're all right there. Wait, you can't. The
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party can't start for you until you get there. And
if you're in a hurry, you will be rude. So
don't be in a hurry. Leave a little, give a
little extra time so you don't run people off the road,
and ship pay attention right down. Ship, Like I'm gonna
drive safe today. I'm gonna be careful that I don't
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hit a car that's got children in it because I'm
mad at somebody or because I'm drunk. You watch your
step in this world. It's a beautiful planet and you
had a black president. Act like it. Two motherfucking drop
Jennifer Lewis, Ladies and gentleman, thank you so much. This
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was my personal top three episodes of Quest of Supreme.
I've spoken the least of all these episodes. I asked
no questions on my interview list like I need this episode.
I thank you that this was beyond my expectations. So
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just know that we're going to have to have you
back on the show eventually because I would like to
actually hear of of of your cannon and and your journey,
because this is also a resume like yours is unprecedented,
and you know I want to celebrate that. No, thank
you very much, uh and one behalf of Fantigolo and
(47:40):
Yah and Sugar Steve and I'm paid Bill. You guys
missed a monster episode. We will see you on the
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All Right, y'all, welcome back to another QLs. Alright, So
last week you remember Jennifer Lewis gaymore on Court Love Supreme,
and the accomplished actress talked about traveling the world, mental health,
and sex addiction. She even sang me a song on
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the piano. All right, here's part two. Jennifer gives a
powerful life advice touches on her new book, which is
called Walking in My Joy in These Streets, which is
out now. You know, as I said before, this is
probably one of the best interviews we've ever done on
this podcast, so listen. It's probably the only interview in
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which I didn't ask one question that I was planning on.
Just she took over. I hope you enjoyed it. All right, Okay,
I'm I'm gonna take this a little bit to the
creative because this is what I admire about you the most.
How can you get? And this is I know we're
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gonna step I know this answer is going to be
an hour, but how can you truly one of the
things that I hope to finally rid myself of, and
if I could rid myself of this, it's curtains, and
that is how do you rid yourself of the chip
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that overthinks people pleasing or all other people are gonna think,
or giving a funk about what other people think. Because
I still old habits die hard, and I know like
the thing, the one struggle I have in the last
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like the one thing I've not completed it in my transformation,
is my need to pause and think about what other
people think before what I think for approval, I got you, Pumpkin.
The reason why my mouth is a gape at every
answer that you're giving is because I I truly envy
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the fact that I don't have this level of freedom.
Ask yourself this, This won't be an our answer. This
is a brief one because this is an easy one
for me. I've never given a funk what people think
about me. I'm like, bitch, step your asser side, I'm
coming through now. Listen. Ask yourself this. Oh, if you
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were laying in the hospital on your death bed with
that person who is given who you are giving a
funk about, who probably don't even give a funk about you.
What they come into that hospital and say to you,
let me die for you? Quest whoa now listen to
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the end of it. And if they're not willing to
die for you, why are you living for them? H God,
damn shit. I thought it was gonna go after the rails. No,
that that shit hit me so hard in the gut. Man,
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What that person that you're sitting there obsessing over Come
in there and say, oh, let me die for you
know they won't because they can't get into reality. Quest,
I'll come for your ass. Don't you dare? Don't you dare?
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Don't you dare? Not that one, that's an easy one.
Damn sh it was hard. If they are not willing
to die for you, why are you living? Father? If
they are not willing to die, it's the affirmation story.
Next question, next question? Please, Yeah, I gotta handle it.
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I got I gotta ponder. I literally had to remember that.
You remember the Matthew Knows woman where I had to
take time out I'm having right now. They are not
willing to die for you, a man, Why are you
living for them? I got this? Okay, here's my question.
What is joy to you? Oh? Please, please bring please
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It's one of my favorite words. It is a brief answer. Also,
m hm. The day I touched bliss. Nobody uses that word.
Who the fund goes around talking about? Fucking word probably
comes up once all over the universe once Bliss. Listen
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to me the day I touched Bliss? What's the day
I took responsibility for every choice I had made, was
going to make, and the choice I was making at
that moment to learn, Oh that I am responsible. You
can point the finger and blame all the fuck you want.
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And even if you're laying next to somebody at night,
your headache is your own hm. So stand up, standing
your joy. When you don't know what to do, do nothing,
stick your ass in Central Park or having the funk
you live, you go find a tree, You sit down
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and hush, be still, Be still and know this is
your life. You are the center of it. You are
the master of your universe. All of those planets and
stars that you see, the Milky Way, the nebulous, they're
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in you. How dare you not stand up and appreciate
mighty ficus trees, jacar Ronda's and crape myrtles and agapanthas
and grass itself? Oh come on, Jesus, grass, what about grass? Ah? Shut?
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We don't even look at it. We just take it
for granted. And yet who and yet there are more
stars in the universe, and there are grains of sand,
and that includes every beach on this planet. Take that
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ship in. I don't even know if it's true, but
somebody told me that ship. And I have a line.
I have a line in my new book, and it says,
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let me enjoy this moment, Let me laugh as loud
as I want, because I'm a need just It just
might be true, but it's not gonna hurt me to
imagine this. My laughter. The energy from my laughter may
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reach a nebula and hold my consciousness to it to
create its life. Don't funk with me, y'all. Don't funk
with me. I'm thinking about nebulus for the next generation.
We don't know if human beings, but just you night,
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we could have pushed back. Katrina. Mhmm. You take that in.
There's your metaphor for how powerful you are. I believe
in mankind. These are not dark times. With the bullshit
that's going on. Things are awaken and times, so wake
the fuck before this bitch becomes the Nazi state. You're
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gonna just ride out no matter where what happens here,
Like I'm gonna go somewhere. Let me tell you something. Okay,
it's it's ours, we built it. Let me tell you something.
If that motherfucker is elected. Mm hmm, I will personally
fly to DC. Listen to me. I know I'm watching ship.
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Listen to me. I don't watch ship, all right. Listen
to me. Okay, uh huh. I will personally fly to Washington,
d C. And I will climb that fence and take right.
Listen to me. Listen to me carefully. I will take
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that bullet for the next generation. If me going down,
We'll make you motherfucker's rods. I'll take that bullet. You
understand the darling, I've I've lived. My little nephew came
running over to me because we were sitting around talking
about death at the beginning of COVID, because everybody contemplated
(09:33):
uh their death during that time since we didn't know
about it at the beginning. My little left room washed all.
But he said, te Jenny, you're not You're not afraid
to die. I said, no, baby, I'm not. He said why,
I said, because I've lived. Don't funk with me. Yeah,
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Am I scared? Listen me, am I scared? No, you
are not just to me. Yeah, but no, I'm scared,
but I'm not afraid. See to be scared. It's okay,
we're human. These motherfucker's are shooting out children in the back.
Yeah I'm scared. These motherfucker's have gone crazy. Yeah I'm scared,
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but I am. I am afraid. Am I afraid? Shoot me, bitch?
You live with it that you want to know the
real freedom? Not even me can stop me. That's how.
That's how powerful the gift is. Shoot me, bitch. I'm
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gonna live forever. Oh you will. I'm gonna live forever
in that. Let me tell you in that. You remember
the matrix they dodged the bullets. Yes, yes, well I
can kick my leg up still, but I keep being
back like I used to. But guess what, what what what?
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There is nothing on this planet. That's why Trump can't
do nothing with Obama. Love is the greatest weapon. Don't
ever forget that. That's why I feel sorry for him
in many ways, because Obama, lad with love, you can't
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destroy that. I don't get fun. What you do gonna
take Frederick Douglas and dr King out of your goddamn books.
Those people will live forever. You can't it. Race love,
you dumb son of a bitches. You cannot you love,
you can't. Baby. I wish the bitch would let me
tell you what happened to me. I couldn't believe it,
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and pulling out white woman, white woman, Karen, God bless her.
I never thought I would experience that. She told me.
She asked me to back up. She's she pushed her hand.
I went, okay, so I backed up. She did it again.
Back up, bitch, And she didn't say that, but I
felt that. But I backed up anyway. And then then
she got out of a car and I went half way.
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Ma y'all, I said, is this happening? And I sat there.
I said to myself, don't do it, Jenny, Jenny, don't
do it. Don't do it. Jenny didn't work. I got
out of that fucking car. Hekay, stop me, but watching
how y'all. I went over to her. I said, what's wrong? Baby?
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She said, I need you to back up. I lived
south of the boulevard. I can't, I said, okay, I
did not hold on. I said hold on, baby, I said,
guess what. Hold on a minute? Hold on that bit up,
I said, hold on, baby, I said, guess what? She
said what I said, We're too beautiful to do this.
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I said, look at you, You're gorgeous and so am
I I had on my road and a mask, but
I said, look, and how beautiful you are? It said, girl,
we don't need to do this. We're fabulous. For two seconds,
a smile came on her face, like really, I am beautiful,
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But she couldn't hold it because she hadn't practiced walking
and a joy. So you gotta have it in you
to balance it when the bullshit presents itself. I know
that I got. I got some of that bad bitch
skin it rubber, but see, because you gotta love me.
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But because for those two seconds she became human, I learned, Jenny,
this is how you must face it. You must face
it with love, darling. Don't fight them. You're sixty five
is almost down to your navel. I'm kidding. Yeah, great,
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you know I love you know I look good, honey.
You know I know I'm cute. My mama I looked
like my mom. My mom was so pretty. But you know,
I never I gotta tell y'all, never paid attention to
my looks. You know, you'll see me on the red carpet.
I'm very casual, and I say this with great humility.
I got so much fucking telling. Get I look, I'm
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coming in the room, bitch. I know who I am. Although,
can I just say you'll look mad us? Not to
throw back to the book, though, but I appreciate this.
This the part where you talk about why the afro
was so important and every hairstyle that you kind of
showcased on black Ish because listen, but did not say
that ship Yes, she said that ship carry is the
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only thing on this planet that defies gravity. Good God, Yes,
I have of my fucking hair. Look at my head.
I go out of here with that. And these are
antend us to God, think antennas. Look at your hair.
It's an anti God fake. It's curling, like you need
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your noctoral hair so that you can't hear and live
and feel the wisdom of the ages. You think, man,
do ain't talking to me? You think Gandhi and and
and who else? Did I want all? Love them? All
of them? This is not the first time I heard that.
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I told y'all, I tug on so journalist skirt when
I have to get up sometime and don't want to.
I like that you gotta tug on their skirts, don't
pull them too hard. They that's a little tutor something,
just like just that's just a little bit. It's truth.
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It's truth. I need you this morning, if you will
just help me get out of this bed. And she
ain't never told me nolla. Most show hosts that our
interviewers often dream of that segment and their interview and
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which they asked the question that will really penetrate and
break their guests into tears, you know, like the Barbara Walters.
Of course, I think this is the first show in
history in which the interviewer like, I've I've received absolutely
everything you said, but I'm still so fucked up about
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why are you living for other people? I'm still funked
up from what you told me twenty minutes ago that
I'm sitting here literally like they won't for you. Why
are you living? Right? But I'm sitting here like now,
You're not gonna cry right now, You're not gonna cry
on your own goddamn show like you do whatever you
want to You isn't I know, But I'm just like this,
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this is an anomaly where the host is literally just flat.
You know, maybe it's maybe it's the day, maybe it's Lyne.
You know, it's also Lionsgate. It's it's it's August eleven. Okay, Yes,
I'm very much into Cleadan culture and what's okay, I'm
sorry forget tonight tonight as of this recording, it's it's
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a full moon. Okay. Okay. That's especially in this age
that we're in, um what what they call lions Gate.
This is where the start, the way that the stars
aligned in August. Um, this is where this kind of
from from the eighth of August probably until the third
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team this week is where um, most people let's try
to manifest or or or bringing their abundance in or
they work on getting rid of of old habits. So
I'm again working on the ladder of getting rid of
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of old habits, you know. And so I'm one that
simplifies that. I just you know what I do. I
give the moon a little sugar every night. I send
the kiss up there and say, how you doing? Baby?
You all right? I want to thank you for balancing
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us out. You're doing all right? And when I go
to the toilet, let me tell you what I do.
When I'm sitting on the toilet. Sometimes I will project
myself to the moon and I looked down on myself.
I looked down on the United States. I say, where
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as you know in the States? Oh there it is
worst California. Oh there it is worst, Los Angele there
it is, there it is. And then I start to laugh. Huh,
and I stay there. I am, Oh there you are, Jenny,
look at you, look at your laugh, and you're okay.
So you gotta make friends with fucking Saturn. That bitch
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up there's spinning. That's the prettiest bitch out there. Say hello.
Sometimes say hello to a tree, thank her for a
fucking shade. That's our life too. These bitches stand in
the seasons, vulnerable with no leaves, ice and snow coming
(19:45):
down on it. And then that bitch. But the reason
she takes in the winter, it's because she knows that
spring is coming, so she stands there and winters along.
Thank you very much. You'll see it's the seasons. I
know about the seasons because depression is seasonal, right. I
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know about joy because I'm aware two incorporate color into
my life. I wish I could show y'all my home.
I see the green, I see the beautiful green and
number colors on my wall. Happy, ain't nothing sad on
Somebody tried to sell me an African mask with the
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bitch had that said, bitch, I want that ship in
my house. I need people. I don't want that sad
bitch over there, that sad bitch off my wall. Ship.
Put a bit up there with some tea out of here.
With that. You don't get them sit up and watch
sadass movies. You get curious. This is what's okay? Days
(20:58):
after us? Okay, it's all. It's really both she and
I are are January twenty Yeah, okay, here's the deal,
my ex and I guess it's the first time I'm acknownced. Yes,
look on finte his face right now? Why even though
(21:21):
Grace and I are very amicable? Yeah we okay, how
are they? I'm fifty one? All right, new weekend day?
You one day, let's go, let's go, let's go right now. No,
don't kill him. I don't think he's ready. Y'all. Are
(21:41):
y'all recording from New York? Yes, in New York right now? Okay, Uh,
I'm gonna call you when I get there. We're gonna
go out on a day. Okay, so too, So y'all
leave him alone. I'm gonna get him in New York.
Y'all leave us alone. My point out. Let me get
my point out. So the one thing face right now,
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the one thing that she would always do that you know,
and I've been very uh, extremely clairvoyant on you know,
just one what our relationship was. Um, but I did.
I was like, Okay, why do you feel it's necessary
to talk to all the trees on the property and
(22:29):
the plants and everything. Don't be don't go crazy and no, no, no,
but every tree. But you know, I was like, okay, okay,
well we'll acknowledge. Leave alone, leave alone, let us talk
to many trees as you But but to hear you
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say that, I was like, all right now, No, you
can't talk to every motherfucking tree. You can't be crazy.
And I'm not putting her down. No, no, no, she
doesn't talk to every tree. But that's her level, her
level of joy and life appreciation. Her whole thing was
like ingratitude. Like she will say, oh I love that
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color of red, I love that, I love that, and
I love that and I loved like she was always
in a constant state of gratitude and joy. But there
was a point where, like, you know, I'd look at
at we we have a large tree and in our apartment.
I was just like, well, now, I'm I don't know
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if I'm gonna talk to the tree the way she speaks,
but I just let's see if there But she yeah,
I mean now that you've doubled down on it, now
I have a different relationship with the tree inside my house.
So well, here's the thing. Whatever you're looking, whatever you're
looking at, is what and who you are. Who's ever
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in front of you, that's who you are. It's a
reflection of yourself, whether there's a tree or fucking aunt. Okay,
if it's a fun what it is? Uh, you know,
I just got back from Safari eight eight fucking lioness
coming towards me with them fucking claws and paws. I
went gay, But it was me. It was me coming
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see we see and what you know, the beautiful thing
about life is you have to be ready to adhere
to the music of the symphony that is being played.
That's like I said, this ain't no fucking rehearthal y'all.
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This is Miles, this is Mozart. It is the music
that is the answer. The music is the pumping of
the heart. That's why we when we hear boom boom, boom,
boom boom, we got to boom because that's what's pumping
in us. Don't get it twisted. Allow people to be
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who they are. You have to answer the call and
say is that a reflection of me? And if it's not, uh,
maybe you got more summers left than me. I don't
let no drama in my life no more. There's enough
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of it outside of my home. Somebody walking my home
and don't say this is beautiful, you earned it. I
say I got to go because I don't want to
be with that person. You'd be nice, be present and
be nice and if there's drama, you show got to go.
I just fired my entire team. I was gonna say
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now that this is going to be completely a life
advice episode. How And that's one thing that I had
to do. I fired more people in the last year
in company. And I hate and again that old, old
old mirrors shutting off and I hate confrontation. I hate
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not manning up. But yeah, I've run this organization, and
again I was in the thin line of Hey, I'm
everyone's friend. I want people to like me, but I
also have to be their boss. How do you spring
clean your life? You have to pay attention and journal
in the morning and at night. What did that kid
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do today? Is the assistant doing their job. I shouldn't
have to go over there and tell you to write
that email. Bitch, do your fucking job. Oh this money
I'm paying your ass The millennials, I love the millennials.
They're my heart and soul. But they came up with technology.
They don't know anything about social skills and badness. They
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don't know nothing about manners. You cannot have them. You
need young people to work for you because you don't
the energy you used to have. You have to be
very selective. I have a new assistant. You met her, Cecily.
She's lovely, she's smart. My last assistant wanted to lounge.
He it was like a therapy session. I'm like, nigger,
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I got time to shrink you. It's wrong with you
gonna I gonna sit up here and shrink you. Motherfucker's
all day. The cheft, my little cheft hacks not to
say you need to put that on a T shirt
because I know everybody wants him shrinking. Yeah, where my
(27:34):
cheff would come in here, that bitch would start dropping.
I'm like, bitch cooking, leave the funk out there. No,
the shift, and then here it comes the fucking assistant.
Where I minute, here comes the fucking assistant and oh
he got in a fight with his lover. Bitch, it's
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that to watch him write the check to love women.
Here comes the housekeeper. I said, baby, can you get
that brass sink? It's only one in the little powder room.
I go on that that bit and this ship, but
put a little comment on that motherfucker. I'm like, girl,
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get your ass out of here. If I had done
that women, if I had done that ship without a
little girl, my mother would have threw my ass out
of the house. Get your ass out of here. I
come from another generation, but we don't play. You clean
this ship up, because what you don't know that I know.
If it's your house is dirty, then so are you.
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I backed that ass up. You listen to me, You
listen to me. This is something my therapist. You should
tell me, that bitch. But anyway, no, I hate that
bitch I've been with eighty years. No, you know, are
you still with her? Okay? Girl, the funk up? I
love her? You kidding that bitch? Help talk? Well you're
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the one, listen. That's the one that wasn't scared. That's
why I stayed with that. Yeah. I was like, when
you finished, I wanted you to ask about how you
find your good therapist because you had you had a
point you was making. But no, that's who who's holding
that point? Because it was a good one. All right,
somebody remembered. If you don't, weren't, Suppo, stay, let me
tell you about the Yeah, my therapist. I raged in
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a session once and I was screaming so loud. Oh
my god. Remembering it gives me chills. And when I
got to the door to leave, I looked at her
and I had the tears going out, like I'm really,
really really sorry, I mean rage so much. She looked
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at me. She said, Jennifer, I see you two times
a week. That's two hours. The rest of the time,
you gotta live with yourself. I went, good, damn live
with myself? What a fucking what? I paid attention to
(30:15):
that jumped out, I live with myself. Isn't that's something.
Now let's see now what is that self? Well, I'll
be damned. I don't think I know. See, this was
early therapy. So I wrote, y'all, and I wrote, and
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I wrote, and I wrote, and I lived. I lived
on purpose. I experienced. I listened. That was a big
one for me. I listened to nobody. I'm like, bitch,
I know what I'm doing. Ha. And then i'd be
at the bottom of Grand Canyon. I fell almost fell
off that motherfucker, the Grand Canyon. Not you're did honey?
I went out, honey. I went out on that bluff
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and a wind came up. I thought I could go
out there because I saw another man out there. What
unbeknownst to me, he had his arm around the rock
and he was taking picture. Then I have no rock, baby.
When that breeze came up, I slid a flat. You
know you gotta go flat because ben came blowing. If
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you're down, baby, my friends were over there talking. They
didn't even know ship had happened. I crawled, I crawled
back to safety, crawled. I was nearly drowned in the
Pacific Ocean. When that third wave came and smacked the
ship out of me, and I having no air in
my lungs, I heard a voice and I was drowning
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and I was in shock. I was actually pulled to
shore and given uh whatever's called CPR, and pump water
out of me. About ten gallons of water came out
of me. What but a voice came to me as
I was being tossed around in the big wave. There
was a hurricane off the Baja Mexico and the waves
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were tall as the Alps that day. And like a
damn fool, I went out there on a boogieboard, dumbass.
So I heard a big voice come inside of me
because I knew it was over. I knew I was dead.
I had no air h and it said, thank you God.
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I had a great time, and I did, and I
was ready to go. That was a huge moment for me.
I didn't mind dying because I was having such a
good time. And if you gotta go, bitch, go with
a smile on your face. I was sucking about something
on my bike the other day, you know, I cycled.
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I was you know, I said, get it out, Jenny,
you're on your bike, just get it out. And I
started huffing and puffing about some ship. And then I stopped.
You see, I Shane, and I watched this one. I
said to myself, here is what happened. Let me give
it to you. A big truck went by, and it did.
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It reminded me of the north Ridge earthquake. Um hm. See.
So when that happened, I realized that it could have
been an earthquake, and I could have died on that bike.
There's your five minutes. And I said to myself, you're
gonna go down like this? Is that how you're gonna
go down? Jenny, huffing and puffing about some bullshit after
(33:29):
all the work you've done. What if it was five minutes?
Still a girl. Now, let's get a smile on your
face and pump this hill. But you can't do that
if you haven't practiced balance. You gotta understand. Some ship's coming, y'all.
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The phone's gonna ring. Somebody gonna be dead, dead, dead,
it's coming. It's called life as a line from The
Untouchables with Kevin Costner and Sean Connery. When Sean Connery
has been stabbed down there to death, oh or shot,
he looks at Kevin Costner. And says, because he's he
(34:11):
can catch his killer. There's a he knows. John Connery
knows Kevin Costner can go and take care of this
man who has shot him. And he looks at Kevin
Costner with blood coming out of his mouth, and he says,
what are you prepared to do? What are you prepared for?
(34:33):
So if you have been prepared and you're still using
the same fucking ingredients that made you depressed, instead of
some sugar, why don't you put just a little cayenne
on it instead of south Why don't you put just
a little coup on it. Change the recipe. Mhm, change
(34:55):
the recipe. Baby. But you can't do it if you
don't do the groundwork, because it won't fill you up.
You'll be filled with the same thoughts day after day
after day after day. And the last thing I want
to say is help somebody. You go help somebody, even
if it's helping an old woman across the street. You
(35:16):
know why, huh, It's gonna make you feel good. It'll
make you feel good just to do a little good
deed every day because it don't cost nothing. Of course,
that old woman may stab the ship out, even stabbish out,
you may shoot you. I wouldish you know what. Look,
I wish I could tell you about the book. The
(35:37):
book is so good, and I don't forget about dickmatized
but all well, you know that Betise, I can't talk
about this dictobiz is about the con artists Mathea. So
you know, I tell it all. And I didn't even
know he was the one that told t m Z.
I was like up. I called the next day to
(35:59):
get his picture on the air because I knew if
I was in as much pain as I was, what
with all the work I've done, I knew what other
women would be suffering. And I do that sign of
a bitch was still loose. He's in jail now. You
know I gotta make years eight motherfucker than listen, y'all,
I kept in private down that motherfucker for five years.
(36:20):
That's in as expensive goddamn straight. What else someone do
with my money but try to help somebody with it.
I listen to me, what do you still at the
stage in your life? Do you still believe in love?
I believe love is seasonal as far as partners and
(36:43):
that sort of thing. Look at her, look at me.
I'm looking at you. I believe in loves. I believe
in love of you. Know. I gotta tell you something.
Let me be honest. I live alone. My nephew lives
with down in the lower level. What the drag queen
was mhm. I have a beautiful, little cute dog that
(37:07):
has me by the nose. I have loved four men
in my life. I was engaged to all four of them.
M But I didn't get married because I didn't want
anybody to think that they were in control of me.
I'm too I'm too much of an alpha. I just am.
(37:29):
Don't try what the net me get the funk out
here with that, I'm wont do what I want to
know what I want to do it. I want to
do it until God says that's enough. Girl's a dast
down and I go sit down too, because my tarma
is instant. God, Baby, they all suck the air out
(37:50):
of my lungs. If I if I turn this around
to the dark side, I have this joke where God
is up in heaven and she looks down, she calls
she sees me, and then she calls one of the
cronies over and she says, you see that one, and
the crown. He says, Wait, the one right there. She says, no,
the one with the mouth. And then God says to
(38:13):
her sister girl, She says, we better get her on
our side or we're gonna lose this thing. Y'all hear
me talking. My life is dedicated to the next generation
that they have rights to the American dream that I did.
I have lived the American dream. I have lived the spectrum.
(38:37):
I told one journalist, I've had my day in the sun.
Now I am the sun. Call me arrogant, call me
anything you want. That's true, that's true. But I ain't
doing nothing but trying to lead with love. I really
truly am. Like I told you all my ships thinks
I'm far from perfect, but damn it feels good to
(39:01):
feel this good. It really does. I get a little
scared of my joy sometimes because not a lot of
people have it, so you feel like, damn any press motherfucker's.
But that's why I try to help them too, because
I know what they're struggling against. And I actually like
the fact that we did an entire episode of Question
(39:24):
of Supreme where we absolutely positively talked about nothing professional, good, good,
and you know, and for our listeners. I will hope
that you appreciated this as much as we did. But
I felt the way the episode was going this is
(39:45):
these are gyms and pearls of wisdom that I wouldn't
get by just asking what's your favorite movie? Or you know,
your your creative process. But I do want to least
close with one professional question. And and you know, I
come from a generation in which, I guess probably one
(40:11):
of the most monumental shows on television, the the the
Infamoucy Word on Nbcah. I never thought that that show
could be topped by a country mile and I was
gladly proven wrong because you know the way that you
(40:36):
guys in these eight years on Blackish have conquered almost
every I mean you've conquered almost every taboo subject that
I don't think any other, including good time like you know,
some precedent in it now that it's over mm hmm.
(41:00):
And I knew that you can't stop. Are there any
professional h endeavors or or an itch that you want
to scratch that you have yet to do? Not? Really? Uh,
they know, not really? No? I mean yeah, it told
(41:22):
me Tom to read your entire resume. So I'm gonna
tell you why uh you know, uh ken you Barris
offered me my own show. I'm be honest with you.
I don't want to work that hard. I want to
I want to travel and enjoy myself. Thank you for
that honesty too. Oh oh no, honey, they payed off
(41:43):
to me when I was forty, I would have been
oh but no, no, no no, I'm sixty five and no, no,
no no. I know the work it takes to be
the star of a show. Although I know Lawrence, I
loved working with him, and he and I would have
been brilliant on a show called Oldish. But and I'm
glad you guys got married at the end. Yeah, I
(42:05):
love him, but listen with his schedule and mine and COVID.
COVID was the thing that really stopped it. But I
was not willing to work that hard anymore. Even the
new series. I'm on, I love that for you. I
am the third lead and I like that. Just let
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her nigga come in and say one line to take
the ship over and go home. Leave me the funk alone.
I ain't got it. I don't need two lines, bitch,
to steal the whole guy. That that a bitch, come
in and go home and send a carbage anyway. So
I'm just saying, these are definitions of freedom. People are
y'all listening? It is? It is freedom. Let me tell
(42:48):
you something. And I love my freedom. I loved eating
when I want to eat as much as I want
to eat, or it's little, I want to eat without
somebody saying you're gonna eat all that? Motherfucker. Ha Yo.
I'm standing on a ship between with the hold on
(43:08):
a minute, with the moon coming up on my left.
I'm standing at the bow of the ship. The moon
is rising on my left and the sign is setting
on my right, and I'm standing there, and I'm on
my way to Commodo Island to hang out with the
(43:29):
with the motherfucker's over there, the prehistoric mother. I love myself.
I love you. You think I'm gonna have somebody come
out of the presidential suite and say to me through
the French doors that he had difficulty opening, you're ready
(43:50):
to go eat? Not happening. I'm sorry, girls, I have
I've worked myself out of the game, and that's all
right with me. I'm sixty five. I don't need all
that honey, with that sex addiction. I've had enough sex
to get me through eighteen lifetimes. I don't know, ain't through,
(44:15):
all right, you already know hardy through. I want to
hear see it. Wait minute, I would tell you this.
That motherfucker better coming here and look and sound like Obama.
If you're coming, I don't want nothing less you get out. Yeah,
your mouth to God's ears. Yeah. Well, I hope a
bunch of Obama's for all of us. I gotta tell y'all.
(44:37):
I gotta tell y'all something. I love life. I love people.
I love making him laugh. I've been making them laugh
since I was five years old. We're gonna be all
right if we stand as the people. Do you understand?
M We have to. We have to love each other
(45:02):
and be kind to each other. We are so fragile,
we are fragile creatures, we are, but we are so powerful. Mhm.
Be kind to your bodies. Look at what you're putting
inside of it. See it as the temple. It is yours,
(45:23):
So are you got take care of it so you
can enjoy. And maybe one day you'll be in the
Himalans and one day maybe you'll be at Petra h.
Go on and live and live well, leave people alone,
stop trying to change people all that dumb ship when
(45:45):
you find you like this morning, I had an interview
and that we couldn't get on the zoom and it
was them SNBC. That's important. I don't like to be late,
and I was just getting ready to just go off,
like what the you know? But guess what I said?
Be still, We're all right there. Wait, you can't. The
(46:07):
party can't start for you until you get there. And
if you're in a hurry, you will be rude. So
don't be in a hurry. Leave a little, give a
little extra time so you don't run people off the road,
and ship pay attention right down. Ship, Like I'm gonna
drive safe today. I'm gonna be careful that I don't
(46:29):
hit a car that's got children in it because I'm
mad at somebody or because I'm drunk. You watch your
step in this world. It's a beautiful planet and you
had a black president. Act like it. Two motherfucking drop
Jennifer Lewis, Ladies and gentleman, thank you so much. This
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was my personal top three episodes of Quest of Supreme.
I've spoken the least of all these episodes. I asked
no questions on my interview list like I need this episode.
I thank you that this was beyond my expectations. So
(47:15):
just know that we're going to have to have you
back on the show eventually because I would like to
actually hear of of of your cannon and and your journey,
because this is also a resume like yours is unprecedented,
and you know I want to celebrate that. No, thank
you very much, uh and one behalf of Fantigolo and
(47:40):
Yah and Sugar Steve and I'm paid Bill. You guys
missed a monster episode. We will see you on the
next go round of What's Love Supreme. Ladies and gentlemen,
I'm gonna grab me a tisie because I need. What's
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