Joy Reid

It's one of the most important weeks of our lives so Questlove Supreme decided to call in an expert. In the words of our leader, "she is one of OUR most trusted news sources".  MSNBC/The Reid Out's Joy Reid is also a Brooklyn born, pre-med turned documentary film major with a hard addition to sci-fi and all things Walking Dead. Listen as she provides clarity of this political world and insight into hers.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, quest Love Supreme family, just wanted to give your
heads up that the audio quality of this episode at
times may not be the standard you are used to,
but bear with us. We thought this sit down with
joy Read was an important liston considering the current climate.
Enjoy question. Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio.

(00:20):
Y'ab watching Fargo? Okay, I don't know, y'all, I've been
watching this s Hey, I'm doing alright. Damn, Hey, why
you always got to ruin the show man? No, I mean,
it's it's cool, like I like it. It's I liked
it better than that other show that Google you jump,

(00:43):
you jumped a little too soon. I all right, I
get it. I know Jordan Peel Productions mean because work
for it and no, no, no, I hope one day
that he does something. And it's just the point is there, Like, yes,
I have to commit to watching Lovecraft Country two to

(01:05):
three times every episode to catch easter eggs. I didn't get. Yeah,
it's too many. It's too many other shows that I
can watch one instead of great. And I'm just like,
I mean, because my wife said, my wife she loves
love Craft like she watches you know, it's important and
I will watch it sometimes with her and I'll be like,
but like I but like i'd been like, I'll be
in another room and it's just like I hear just
trapped music and then I look at the screen and

(01:26):
this is a fucking world wolf for some showing what
the fund is this. There's there's a lot of ship
joint Hello, Hello, how you doing? This is literally how
we just started. Episodes were just jumping with can we
ask a real quick thought? Love music? Hello? Everybody on

(01:48):
love Craft? Yeah? Ter day? Are you in it or
not in it? I'm watching it, but it traumatizes me. Right,
I can only watch so much of like abuse the
black people in history entertainment before I start to really
just start to lose my mind a little bit. So
I watched it the Payoff the Paidoffice episode seven. It

(02:08):
works in the end. I stayed with it because first
of all, the Nina Simone tracks are fire. That the
music is fire, and it pays off in the end.
But it's a lot. It's the important. The important thing
about it once I did the research was that I
didn't know the history. Okay, so I knew the history
of how modern comedy started in America, which starts with

(02:31):
minstrel entertainment making fun of slaves and whatnot. You know,
the black face, we know that I didn't. I didn't
realize that the slave was also where the freed slave
was actually the impetus for the modern horror flick, like
basically the Rising Down album cover. That was the whole

(02:53):
hblove right HP Lovecraft Uh started writing fiction about how
freed slaves were going to destroy UH plantations and get
revenge once they were freed, and thus that's the birth
of the horror genre. Like it was based on black
people being the boogeyman and all that stuff. So which
makes you show the ultimate fuck you because them casting

(03:15):
all these black people and making this a black story
and remix it is like love crap the real they're
the real horror of people. So it's it's it's it's
the real. That's that's how we get into it. Lady
and gentlemen, if you're just joining us right now, UH
insisted you know they were there. Yeah, there used to

(03:37):
be a traditional way that we opened the show, but
then you know, now that we're in COVID, I call
this the Covid open not the cold open um. So
we just decided to not have an official intro and
just like faded in, let you eavesdrop on what we're
talking about. So, um, we're talking about love crap. But
of course it would be remiss if I didn't say
that our guest today. You know, personally I look for

(04:00):
there's there's very few people that I look for to
be the voice of reason and the voice of calm,
especially how we are now, the way that we consume
our news or some people are traumatized for it. I'm
kind of traumatized by it now, so I don't watch.
There's only a few names that I trust to deliver
the facts that I need to know what's going on.

(04:22):
And uh, today's guest is a prime example of that. Um,
I've been watching am joy and of course, uh the
read out. She's my thirty rock mate. Do you do
you refer to that building as thirty Rock? Am I
the only one that calls it thirty rock? I call
it rock? Yeah? Okay, fine, Uh yeah, it's it's it's
my trusted source for information. Um. Of course when this

(04:47):
airs today, this will be the day after the election,
so we have no clue what's going on. We got
burnt the last time this happened because you know, he
sort of Oh my god, we started we it was
a celebration party, and then mid episode was like, yeah,

(05:08):
so uh, we don't know what the results are um
as of this recording, so you know this this was
done a week before. But ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
to Quest Lop Supremium. Uh Joey read you know. And
I also want to let you know that it's probably
believe more of a lighthearted interview about your life, not

(05:29):
like I know you're tired of were we gonna be? Okay?
I know everyone's asking you can you tell something that
you know and we don't know? So how are you today?
I'm good, Quest, Quest. It's so good to be here
with you. You know I'm a big fan. Can I
tell my Quest Love story real quick? Absolutely know you
have one. Everybody has one. So the first time I

(05:51):
met you, Quest, Um, I actually just got an elevator
with you at thirty Rock and I was like, I'm
thinking myself, Oh my god, okay, Quest Love, is that
how gonna act cool? I gotta act like normal, like
I'm not gonna say anything crazy. So I must have
been my face must have been like. It's like like
I looked like a crazy person. Probably if you just
hearnd me you said hello, I'm just saying hey to

(06:14):
do it. So you're you're the One thing I love
is when you meet somebody that is, you know, famous,
they are just as cool as they seem. So I
will give you that. My students met you once you
came out of your you know, studio and everything said
hi to them, So yeah, I remember, yeah, I've Actually
you know it's weird, is uh. I would often trail

(06:36):
you either in the cafeteria or like I didn't. I
didn't want to be that person like towel read or whatever,
because oftentimes when I see uh, like Brian Williams, we're
kind of BFFs, but when someone yells his name Brian,
he never looks. So usually when when news punning's and
and and reporters are in the hallways a thirty Rock,

(06:59):
they never respond to the name because they think that
it's like a fan or even something more dangerous closer
to Rupert Pumpkin from the King of Comedy following them.
So basically, I didn't want to be the guy like
Joy's you know, and then you just walk on by it.
So yes, I've seen you way before that, but that's
the first time that you saw me and seeing you

(07:21):
and then you know, I decided to you know, to
to to to break the ice. There has anyone ever
seen me over there? You know? Uh no, I noticed this.
This new COVID opening doesn't include introducing the team super
I'm sorry forgiving, forgiving you know what, Well you're supposed

(07:44):
to jump in the conversation. Look, okay, I think a
boy now three years that we know that La Yah
with her Oh nice here, I'm like your hair like
it's kind of well, I thought it was brats because
oh yeah, that's great and we have a unpaid bill.
Hey you speaking radio, so I gotta go with voices already.

(08:05):
High How you doing? And fine tacolo in North Carolina
right now? But up you were telling you voted through
a driving or drive through. Yeah, I was like the
we went memor wife. We went early voting the first day,
which was the fifteenth, and we pull up to our
Poland place. There was a long line of cars and
we thought that was the voting line, but that was

(08:26):
really the line for just like the drive through. So
like if you had health problems or like you were
super elderly and couldn't stand in line, they would just
you could drive through and they give you the ballots
and do check you in and all of that. So
that line was kind of long. So then we drove
around and we saw the real like the line for
just like regular and um, it probably you don't take
this for maybe like an hour. It's probably twenty people

(08:47):
in line, which is the most people I've been around
since much And um, we was just you know, we
went and massed up and it was distance and we
did it and you know it was cool. It was
on about an hours to change Good Sugar, Steve. Yeah,
I just want to say, joy. That was my whole
reason for interrupting. This is so joy. Um. I know

(09:11):
we have you for limited time and there's so many
questions I want to ask you, but just for this
particular election cycle, on what you're going through now, Like
what is your average day, Like you know the average
day is long. I mean I I was doing a
weekend show for four years and it's a diffferent kind
of schedule. You know, we don't even start planning the
show until Thursday because since Trump came along he, you know,

(09:34):
disrupted so much that we used to have a Wednesday plan.
He would miss that up, so we started planning on
Thursdays for Saturday. But now it's a grind, you know.
I used to do a day to a day side
um daily show, and I had forgotten, you know, I'm
a little older to do doing it now. So it's
a lot. We do four meetings, four show meetings a
day by phone, sometimes by zoom, and then in between

(09:55):
it's like taking a college course. You're trying to read everything.
It's a blizzard of information and he just won't stop,
you know. I mean I covered the Obama administration when
I was at the Rio and as an MSNBC analyst,
and Obama let you rest every so often he would
speak during my dayside show. We're like Obama colaw man,
you know, because he didn't do the big ethics speak.

(10:16):
Every time he come out and do a speak and
go away and live his life and be president. This
guy won't let you stop looking at him. So I
love my team. We make it fun and we try
to bring a little levity to it. We bring as
much as we can for us traumatized public, and we
have fun together. But I have to admit it's it's
a different level of exhaustion. So is it to the

(10:38):
place where, um, like, do you personally feel comfortable? I
know that you know, for people that don't know how
television shows work, I mean their assistants, their researchers, there
are people that can sort of just give you the
quick version of it. Do you yourself feel comfortable with
just looking away for like two seconds or do you
feel that you have to like immerse yourself in absolute

(11:00):
everything to get all the information? Go on social media,
deep dive and all these things and do your own
research so that you can be packed with because the
way that you uh interview talking heads are pun into whatever,
it's like, how I don't see how you can have
like rebuttals immediately ready and these facts ready, Like are

(11:22):
there people feeding you in your ear? Like? How does
that work? Well? We basically do is you know, we
start off first meeting of the day, we figure out, okay,
this is what we want to talk about, um, and
then I go through and pegmant and say this is
the way I want to frame it. And then the
producers go off and they you know, they write up
the intro so the intros are reized, great producers, the
leaders are you know. We then I go back and

(11:43):
I edited, and we make sure that you know, it's
in my voice that I'm feel comfortable there. And it
was a real team effort to be together, right, I mean,
our show is people right. It's not just I just
don't get out there just you know, the information. Like
we have people that are backing me up. You know,
we we plan for everything because I like to just questions.
I don't like to question um, I like to just

(12:06):
you know a little questions, but I want to make
sure that no matter where I want to go, we
have the backup to make sure it's factual, to make
sure that you know, we've got a story that backs
it up or some data that backs it up. So
we kind of think all the places that these questions
could go, and we've got like an element ready to go.
So if I say something about a rally, we're like, okay,

(12:26):
we have a sound bite of that back scready. So
that's a lot of the preparation and mayking sure that
no matter where we end up going in these conversations
is something to back it up. You don't want to
just yeah, I don't. I don't want to just get
my opinion. I want to make sure it's factual. So Um,
as far as how much I immerse myself, I have
described Donald Trump is like having a top of them, right,

(12:48):
if you have a toddler, sometimes you want to you know,
have a little out called, you know, a little cocktail break.
We still have to put the baby onitor on. You
still gotta watch them and just go to sleep, take
a nap and left the toddler, you know, gone about
the house. Right, we are like the baby pop. I
feel like you do have to watch him all the
time because you know, some of the stuff he says
it's just dumb, but some of the stuff is dangerous.

(13:10):
You know, he will just make a pronouncement and change
US policy and then we have to deal with it,
you know. And sometimes he's just riffing, but you just
never know. Oh so in terms of fact checking, like
who's on standby? Like is it just assumed that any
statement he says it's going to need a fact check?
Like how's that? How's that database work? Like is there

(13:30):
just a machine that you instantly have whatever his stats
are what he says? Or yeah, every producer, Um, they're
all remote, like this is the COVID time is weird
because normally they'd all be in the studio and they'd
all be at a at a you know, at a
MAC and they could look up information on the ready.
But now they're in fourteen different cities, but they're still

(13:53):
listening in on the McCurdy machine where they can all
hear it all. And so anything that comes up, we
could call for those facts like then and there, because
the producers of each of the segments are always listening
to the show and they're prepared to, like if I
need something, they just bring it up right away and
they can get that printed out and handed to me.
So we're always ready to fact check this man, and

(14:14):
we don't. We don't play a lot of him. We
don't honestly, we don't play a lot of him. We
try to minimize it because I think people know what
he says. There's no point in playing it back because
a lot of it is just lies. So KA just
ask you. You mentioned about like what's your daylight at work,
but like what's your daylight when? Because when do you
wake up? You're like somebody's whole mother and wife? How

(14:34):
does that work? After trying with the dailiness of this. Yeah,
and now because you know we're we're we're not living
in New York anymore. I unfortunately we gave up New
York because you know, more affordable house. You know, we're
in the DMV area. Yeah, we're in the suffers of
d C. So all the kids are living with us
now because one loss to you know, he was working

(14:56):
as a usher on Broadway. That's the that's done. We
have one that's an artist that she's living there. And
then we have the youngest one is uh college junior
going junior. So they're all in the house. So that's
one of the reasons. You know, a little apartment in
Harlem that was gonna be awards. So we're like, we
have moved. We got space. Um. So really the day

(15:17):
is you know, and my husband runs our production company,
so we do you have a lot going on in
the house all the time. Um, and so I wake
up in the morning, my husband and I do a walk,
you know, we try to get that health walk in
and that's at like seven seven, seven thirty in the morning.
And then from Monday through Friday, no matter what, unless
unless it's really raining. We did we try to do it.

(15:41):
I mean when I'm here, I do it in Central Parks,
I try. We try to do it every day. Um.
And then after that it's just call after call after call.
I'm on the phone all day and and that is
tiring because it's yeah, exhausting. And I'm replying to text,
replying to emails, or on the phone the whole. So
we're all in the house, but we don't really see

(16:01):
each other that much. We're all in our rooms and
any moment, if something were to pop off, you would
have to in the moments. Note, it's just how often
does that happen to you in a week? I mean
it happened not that often. I mean Ruth Bader Ginsburg
was one. But so I the NBC has built a
whole studio in my basement. So the studio is just

(16:22):
a matter of running down into the basement and turning
the whole machine on, the lights on, just going. So
that's good. It is bad because now they know they
have that there. So when I'm watching a enjoy that's
a green screen, I don't want to for the read
note for the read out, it's basically I'm sitting in
a chair in front of me are the cameras just

(16:43):
like the cameras in the studio behind me is a
big screen TV and they can load the background into
the TV and it looks like a little studio. It
looks just like, yeah, I thought you came back to Yeah,
well tonight, I wasn't there. I saw this for this weekend.
Next week. I'm actually in working out of thirty Rock.
I'm you know, here in my hotel. But normally the show,

(17:05):
the five day a week show for the read out,
we're in the basement and production. So he's hoping, it's
hopeful he's in production. And then my daughter she has
to be the person who hands me the scripts and
like so it's like a family operation. It's a family business.
Ye are they union members or now I'm playing well listen,
I'm like, baby, we say, should get a check. But yeah,

(17:25):
I was gonna say, yeah, I don't want to go
too far, boss man. But I was curious because you
said the whole production thing when I was doing research,
and I was like, wait a minute, joy Read went
to Hardvard and got a degree in films for documentaries.
Until there's then there's a whole another aspect of life
that we don't even know. It's it's a lot because

(17:45):
we produce something. We do a podcast like this one
you know that we do also on we Get three.
So so we're doing our podcast, which is what to Read,
where we like do books, you know, because this is
sort of my my kind of downtime. It's just just
interview people who written books. But I gotta get you
wrong quests. I know how to get you off for
your books. Absolutely, But we just talked to authors for
that podcast, and so we have other stuff we're trying
to do too, So it's trying to balance the workwork

(18:09):
with the other stuff that we're doing. I have this
other podcast I'm doing for NBC Kamala Harris. So I
feel like my day is every hour is accounting for
until I finally go to sleep. Wow, So can I
ask it? Do you feel like this is your? Well,
not is this worth it? But do you feel like

(18:30):
this time is your You're You're Bernstein Woodward movement like
the the Worter Well, I guess it's so hard to
find something tangible to yeah, get him on, but do
is it an exciting feeling or is it like you

(18:50):
this isn't exactly what you signed up for because you know,
for a journalists, this is like a key. This year
will be spoken of the same way that nine nine
was spoken of, Like I have no doubt that will
probably be, if not the second most famous year in
the United States when they, you know, do retrospectives of

(19:13):
what what's happened? So like for you, is this the
moment why you gott into this in the first place,
or is this something else? It isn't it is? I
mean love, Donald Trump is Andrew Johnson plus Woodrow Wilson's
failure on the nineteen seventeen pandemic, you know, plus Andrew
Jackson's vehemens and you know, murderous thoughts toward Native people

(19:35):
and people who weren't white, you know, Andrew Johnson's just
criminality as a president, plus Nixon, like this is this
is it's a multiplier of all the other bad presidents
because he's combined you know, incompetence, cruelty, criminality, and corruption altogether.

(19:59):
And each of those I our presidents had one aspect
of what Trump is. And then you throw on top
of that the fact that Donald Trump doesn't believe in
the presidency as it's always been constructed. He thinks he's
the king. He thinks the king of the United States.
We've never had anything like that. So for me, it's
like Woodward and Bernstein, except Nixon is like Gargantua. You know,

(20:21):
he's not even a normal Nixon. He made Trump made Nixon,
you know, look like Charlie Brown. So it's not even
you can't even catch him because he's doing a different
horrible thing every day. So this is Nixon on steroids.
So for journalists, you know, I did write a book
about him, and he's already done a hundred and three

(20:44):
thousand bad things since then, right, and it's like, so
you can't keep up with it. It's a lot. I
think it's gonna take a good few years after he's
gone for us to really compile all of this and
really understand it. And I do think it is something
that people are gonna study because this is the closest
we ever came to not being a democracy again. And

(21:06):
I honestly believe that if Trump is reelected, what I
do for a living will be a lot like what
journalists and Bella rus are doing, or journalists in Russia
are doing, or journalists and Turkey are doing. Because we
are then gonna be dealing with an autocrat. And I
don't mean to make that sound as hyperbole, because I
don't mean it as hyper that's how serious. Yeah, we're

(21:27):
watching it like a lot's going to ride on what
happened yesterday, which we don't know the results. I'll just
remind people that we probably won't write like what do
you that's an interesting question too, like when do you
think this thing will be decided? Regardless? Like I think
it's a two week Well, here's my chance to say
something great about my former state of Florida. I mean, listen,

(21:52):
Florida has embarrassed US as a country for a really
good time, and they've had a rough time with elections.
But this might be the year that Florida actually saves
America in turns purple blue. Purple blue. However, Florida's a
tough state to lose because listen, the reality is like angry,

(22:15):
mean grandparents all moved to Florida, and the cool grandparents
all moved to Vegas, right, So that's why you know,
that's why you know noadam fun Branny is in Vegas,
Like I'm gambling, you know, the mean granny is that's Florida.
So um, the problem is Florida is very unreliable and
the voters there are very unreliable and they don't turn

(22:36):
out to vote unless literally Obama is on Valida. Obama
with Biden on the ticket did win it twice, so
Biden has a shot. But if Florida Florida. The the
good thing about Florida is that Florida actually has been
doing early voting, early absentee voting for a long time
because Florida has so many senior citizens. The mailing mailing

(22:56):
ballots are a regular thing for them, so they will
actually we have a result on election. It's not gonna
be like two thousands. We will actually probably know Florida early.
And so whether it goes to Trump or whether it
goes to Biden, at least won't know. And actually that
that's good for the country because we just want to
know the state that's going to be be what Florida

(23:18):
used to be. This year's Pennsylvania. If Pennsylvania is close,
that's your lawsuit that goes to Yes, wow, Jeers, what's
going on in Pennsylvania right? Even though Philadelphia I can't
even you can't even look at Philadelphia for the example
at all, because Pennsylvania is read in Philadelphia is blue.
But right now, right right, and well you know as

(23:43):
of this speaking, uh you know, my my both my
my sisters giving me updates, like you know, there's stuff
happening right outside of her window right now, and it's
looking very reddish, you know, like ducking. But Red is

(24:05):
coming to town though, for this kind of activity, like
Red lives for this activity. Red been coming to town
ever since they try to take down these statues. Yeah,
am I wrong? No, it's true. And you know, Pennsylvania
is like a lot of states. It is you know,
Philadelphia surrounded by Alabama, right, And Ohio is like that, right,
it's Cleveland surrounded by Alabama. And most states are like that,

(24:26):
I mean exactly. And Florida is Miami and Broud you know,
Browed and Dade surrounded by Alabama. I mean. The reality
is is that, you know, we have racially polarized voting
in America, and the majority of white Americans are Republicans,
and people tend to vote their party. It's like a tribe.
And so there are gonna be some people who break

(24:47):
away who are Republicans. Most Republicans will come home to
the Republican Party even if it's Trump. And so the
Republicans are about twenty two to three percent of the
total population. They're actually a small group, but they vote
like great because they're also older and so because they
are average older people. And the most elderly state in

(25:09):
the country are Florida and Pennsylvania. So there are a
lot of older white voters in the state of Pennsylvania
and they're bolding vote pretty much as all um, but
women and this time even white women. Women voters are
starting to trend away if they have a college degree
from Trump. So if he loses white women even by

(25:29):
one percentage point. I've always said to you know, our
white friends, we don't need all of y'all. You just
need or more of white women turn away from Republican
and white the women because you know, three voted for
him before. Yes, and Democrats just need to get that
down to fifty fifty and believe it or not, that's enough. Well. Yeah,

(25:52):
a wise person once told me that Democrats fall in love,
fall in line. Yeah, but one more piece of good news.
And we don't know what's gonna happen again, anything can happen.
But I think the Republicans actually made a mistake this time,

(26:13):
um with that Amy Coney Barrett nomination. I think, well,
in their mind, they thought this is gonna rev up
their base. But it's like when you have a tea
kettle on once the water boils and lets off that sound,
and then that means the pressure is released. Republicants are
always better off when they're based is anticipating maybe getting

(26:36):
a Supreme Court nomination. Now that they have a sixth record,
there's a lot less motivation and a lot less energy
and a lot less rage behind the Christian Conservative vote.
They've taken that off the table, So now they do
have doubt to well, wait a minute, that let's talk

(26:57):
about this right now, because what a all this other
argument that like now that she's here, because we haven't
talked about Okay, Biden, Biden winds that doesn't necessarily means
who who the king? The witch is dead? If he
turns around in his size, I'm gonna figure out a
way to stay here. And this whole you know theory
about well, I'm gonna go through the Supreme Court and
I'm gonna write this, So is it really I don't

(27:22):
help him in the vote because you know most. I mean,
I worked on a couple of elections, and I worked
on one where we failed in two thousand four. UM
of America coming together. We're trying to help carry from
outside UH with your sources money UH. And I worked
on both in the fresh shop, and we need to
talk to voters. Anger and retributions are much more powerful

(27:43):
motivators than UM gratitude. People don't vote for someone that
they're great. They vote because they're pissed off and or
because they want something. But once you give voters six before,
they didn't feel comfortable and say it's not urgent me
to vote. So if I had doubts about Trump, I
now have the thing I really wanted. I don't think

(28:04):
like the personality. I don't need to come you know,
thank you by voting for him. I can let go,
I can back off, and I can now the things
I don't like, I don't want them anymore because I
got what I wanted. But if you're the women who
voted like crazy between Cloty again, a majority of white
UM college educated women or enraged by the election, and

(28:27):
they wouldn't wait to get revenge. And black women always
are out here trying to pay back. So was a
tsunami because women of all races were enraged and they
kept that energy for two solid years and voted just
everyone they can get out and gave the House back Democratic.

(28:49):
So that anchor is still there. And so if Trump
to win, the only way he wins is now is
that he somehow suppresses enough votes in the key they
that they somehow are able to stop enough people from
voting um electoral college. That's his only shot. You can

(29:11):
do it in Georgia, Daney like, thanks to the governor.
That's one state. But George is I don't know. I
almost feel more confident about George a little bit than
Florida because Plorid is so difficult. But George black voters
are voting like crazy. I personally, I personally feel as

(29:32):
though Biden will win. However, what I'm also certain about
is the amount of pettiness and the amount of uncertainty
that's going to occur from November four or whatever, yea,
from November four to January and you know, kick around.

(29:54):
I mean he could again, That's that's my Everyone is like, oh,
I'm afraid of the of action. No, I think changing
presidents might be I don't think that's harder than us
surviving uh the next sixty days, you know, with him

(30:18):
at the with him drunk at the will, that's what
What does a what does the transfer of power? That's
not the right way? What does that look like? Like? All?
The only reference in season six of West Wing, you know,
Jimmy Smiths walks out of the thing, and you know,
and whomever walks in the thing, and that's the only

(30:39):
reference I have, like, and they seem to be friends,
and then he leaves a note, right, and then the
note says, don't you know, don't do the wrong thing?
And what the secret codes are or whatever he says,
you know, And I'm just I'm interested when they say, like,
you know, Trump won't let the transfer power be be peaceful?
What does that mean? Are we gonna see like armies
in the streets? Oh? I were? This is the thing

(31:00):
I worry about more than the right. I think, what
state that Biden won? I mean that Hillary Clinton one
is why not? I don't see how Biden states regularly.
And he's got a good shot at capturing the three prize,
breakit tromply, So you know, I'm even at that point

(31:24):
where I don't know that. I you know, I do
Whipple analysis for a living, and I start for me
to trust my own god, which I'm looking at this
data and I'm saying everything I need in the datus
just by me. But it's hard for data to account
for voter suppression and for just outright that which the
Pennsylvania legislature is contemate. Just say, you don't care what

(31:46):
the thou even need the lector? And then of course
that goes before. That's the case in any cominy Barriuss. Yeah,
and they're given to drump So I don't trust the
Supreme Court. I don't trust her out on trust cabin
on the trust on claring um. But let's just say
none of that, Parrance hear and oh my goodness, I'm sorry,

(32:11):
I just know. I mean, who else what's wearing? Man?
I mean she is two women? What clearances to us?
So I mean bubble and that's why we love joy
Bread made it the same thing. But um, what I
think happens if is it? You know, Rock Obama, as
much as he byes and was horrified by the Trump,

(32:32):
he left him a note too, like in the West Way, right,
non't gonna leave an no I know what it looks
like for what he'll do, but I suspect he probably
feel like he has to show the inarch or maybe
he just don't show up at all. What I I
don't worry about him because even if he had food
and just let whatever and then goes in tires a
lawyer and figures out his legal issues in New York. Um,

(32:55):
because he will have legal issues in New York. I
worry about his fan because he doesn't have But I
like Barack Obama a lot. I respect it. I wouldn't die, right, Yes,
are willing to dying? It's a call. It's a cult, yeah,
straight up. Oh, it's a Jim Jones situation. And so

(33:17):
are people will link to hurt other people. I worry
about that. I worry about you, Nicole Wilds and ragel
Madows heads exploding on like at any given moment. That's
that's what I worry about. When all his knowledge and information,
I don't understand how that doesn't happen and how y'all
still want to keep doing this coverage. So Joy, I

(33:38):
would actually I would like to know you as a
person because I watch you so much and I don't
know anything about your your life beforehand, like whe where
were you born? I was born in East Flatbush, Brooklyn,
New York. The best, the only borough that accounts. Uh.

(33:58):
My My parents are immigrant stuff. They somehow met in
Iowa for some reason. My mother was from Guyana and
my father was from the Congo, and that's where you go.
I really think my mother had been in England and
she had been teaching um and then wanted to come

(34:19):
here and go to graduate school. And my father was
also looking to go to graduate school. And I really
think because for him, um, you know, the Congo had
just gotten its liberation and the new government there was paying.
They were paying for everyone's college education. And I think
they just said where it comes to be spend out

(34:39):
money wisely, we went to spending place who to be inexpensive,
and I think they're like, Iowa, that's just cheap, let's
go there, you know. And I think my mother I
have no idea, because my parents are both deceased. I
can't even ask him now, but that's where they met.
And my sister was born in Iowa, and then I

(35:00):
was born in Brooklyn, UM and then they somehow decided
to move to Denver, Colorado, and that's where my brother
was born and then he broke up. So I was
raised in Denver, Colorado from age two to age seventeen,
and UM was just love you know, nerdy that loved
the news is for It's all I really liked was
football in the news. Um news as a teenager who

(35:25):
loves the news as a teenager. You know what. So
one day I will never get this. I was in
like sixth grade, ageing myself, and I came upstairs and
I'm watching this show at night that was the Iran
hostage crisis countdown, and for some reason, I was just
fascinated by the fact that people had taken hostages and

(35:46):
we're holding them would let him go, and I just
so I was like, Mom, can I watch this? And
she was like, okay, you can stay up and watching,
and I ended up watching Nightline. With Nightline, I ended
up watching that all the way through dilty graduated high school.
I would watch the Today. So I was just fascinated
by information. I mean, I was a nerd, you know.
So I just liked information and news and so I
love that. And in football, that's pretty much all I
will watch. Well, I'd start and so I you know,

(36:08):
I was your favorite childhood anchor. I'm just curious back then,
who's your favorite childhood anchor back then? Now you said
it Today show, and yeah, I mean you know, later
on obviously was Gwen Eiffel. When I got older, and
it was finally a black person. But growing up we
were all about Dan rather like and now I follow
him on Twitter and yeah, right then he did back

(36:31):
then too. He had to be subtled with it, but
I always loved him. I thought he was always really funny.
And so when when did you make that in high school?
When did you did you decide then that you want
to make a a real pursuit in the journalism, Like
you mentioned that you were considering making documentaries first, and
like where's your life in your twelfth year of high school? Well,

(36:54):
I mean, honestly, Um, when I was probably about twelve,
I also told my mother I wanted to be a doctor,
and my sister told her she gonna be a lawyer.
And West Indian parents don't play that you want to
be and you want to do other stuff besides being
a doctor of lawyer. So I was supposed to be
a doctor. Like that's what I committed and I got
into Harvard for premed and so my mother was so proud,
and so that's what officially gonna be. I was like,

(37:15):
I was gonna write books on the side, but really
be a doctor, and I had committed to that. Unfortunately,
my mom passed away when I was seventeen, UM, I
was just about to graduate, or had just graduated high school, UM,
And so I had to kind of make some different
decisions about what I was gonna do because I just
really at that point did not want to be a
doctor because I just, you know, I didn't have faith
in the profession, you know, because I you know, my

(37:36):
mom had passed and she was like everything. So I
went to Harvard, almost failed out. UM, took a year
off when living my auntie, my auntie Dolly in East
back in East Flatbush where we started, and I just
had to figure something else out. So when I went back,
I ended up moving out on my auntie's house. Because
if you anybody who has West Indian relatives or knows
any West Indian people, so living with a West Indian

(37:58):
lady means five nights a week of church. And I
had been very no she was Christian, but I haven't
raised Methodist. So we went one day, you know, one hour.
If it went past an hour, people were looking at
the past past They're like, you need to stop preaching
because we gotta go watch this Bronco game. So I
wasn't church. This was much. I ended up moving out

(38:21):
and I moved actually right down the streets like Lee
and so there was all this stuff happening in Brooklyn
at Fort Green at the time. That was before For
Green gentrified, so it was just very black, very It
was just this amazing place to live. This as like
doing everything all the time, and music videos and everything
was happening on the block. So when I went back

(38:43):
to Harvard, I switched my major um film and they
only had documentaries. I was like, okay, documentary, ma wow, okay, who, Like,
who were the filmmakers that you idolized back there or
what stories did you want to tell? Well, I mean
we studied everything Oscar, Meat Show on, you know, and um,
but Bike is the person I really admired. I was

(39:04):
sort of the one person in the class that wanted
you narrative films, and they were like snobs and they
only wanted documentary, so they wouldn't let us do narrative
but I really idolized Spike back then, and so I
was like, I'm gonna when I come out. Um, and
I actually wound up meeting my husband because when I
came out, we formed a little production company. I met
him because I took a job at the School of
Visual Arts and I was actually his boss kind of

(39:26):
in the in the production office. And uh, and so
me and him and a bunch of other his friends
we formed a production company. And uh we wound up
not doing documentaries but doing a music video show, a
reggae music video show, which was back then. We were
competing with Ralph McDaniels on TV in New York City,
So we were doing I was the producer. So I

(39:47):
booked everybody. Okay, yeah, no, we knew I mean it.
It was wild because we knew a lot of these
guys when they were like really just starting out. We
booked Shaggy, We booked all of these guys. So we
were we were doing our little thank you bro. No
Shaggy slander on this show, Shaggy reason why you got

(40:08):
your deal? Right? Yes exactly, Shaggy is, yes, the success
gave me my budget. Thank you. I need to hear
this story yeah. Um, basically the success of it wasn't
me and Casey and Joe Joe's All My Life. That's
what paid for my entire things fall apart uh marketing budget,

(40:32):
so our fourth album, no no, no, no no, I'm
just saying that the were on the same labels. I'm sorry.
So the profits reaped from Casey and Joejoe's All My
Life and Shaggy's it wasn't me, Uh that they used
all those profits too. They gave half to Common So

(40:56):
that's that's what we used for our promotion all the time.
Like no, this is not even exaggeration, like literally, like
the numbers. Okay, well, Shaggy money is good. So here here, guys,
you trust me, Like You Got Me was a three
day video Shaggy. If it wasn't If it wasn't for Shaggy,

(41:19):
you Got Me would have been like a four hour
video shoot, like illegal, like Hollywood Shuffle, Like okay, guys,
let's go. But with Shaggy money, we had a three
day video shoot. Diamond Records. Diamond Records, my daughter when
she was a little baby, we would we had to
take the kid had to be portable and I had
her I pictured her propped up in the corner like

(41:39):
don't cry while we were interviewing Shaggy. Um. So yeah,
he was like one of them. May we loved interviewing him.
He was like a good guy. So yeah, we were
literally doing like we were so left field with it. Um.
But we did video dub played for a while, and
then I got pregnant again and then we had to
actually have a normal jobs, and so we wound up
moving to Florida. And it really wasn't until I got
to Miami that I was like, let me, I had

(42:00):
to switch careers because I you know, I couldn't do
what I was doing. I had like a day job
and consulting or something and was doing the music video
show with what we're doing on the side. And when
I got to Florida, I had to get a real job. Um.
And I wound up getting a job writing for the
local morning show the Fox affiliate and then switched to
the NBC affiliated and so I got into news really
because I had to start over. My Spanish wasn't good

(42:21):
enough to stay in consulting, and um, I just want
to do something I love to do and be fun.
So I ended up okay, So The common theme that
I'm hearing here is that you had to meet these
sort of abrupt left and right turned to a whole another, uh,
sort of uncharted territory. What is that like for you?
Are you? Is there trepidation? Like? Okay, we worked really

(42:44):
hard to make this video show work and now I
love Brooklyn and I can't live Like how hard is
the adjustment to doing something totally new, even with even
with doing read out? Like how hard is that adjusted?
It's not like I grew up with a very adventurous mother.
You know. My mother literally got on the steed ship

(43:05):
and left Guyana by herself, you know, and went to
London and lived there, and moved here and moved to Iowa.
Like you were just an adventurous family. We used to
get in in our station wagon back and drive all
over the country. You drove to Utah, We drove to
San Francisco. We would just get in the car. Like
we drove to Mexico to Oahaka and stayed there for
a summer when she was working on this book project.
So she was just that bohemian lady. So I just

(43:27):
grew up a risk and and and just being comfortable
switching plans. We always had to change our plans, you know,
It's just the way it was. She was a single mom,
used her life and her plans a lot, and so
I just was kind of raised by somebody like that.
So I actually I'm cool with it. I love changing.
I like to I like to change, I like I
like new environments. Wow, okay, that's I admire that, because

(43:53):
you know, that's a lot of a lot of switching
back and forth, you know, with your life. So do
you feel as though you are living out your purpose?
Like this is what I You didn't know that, this
was the the destiny that you asked for, no doubt,
no doubt. I feel like all of the crazy adventures

(44:15):
that I've had and the you know, the just all
of the wild kind of changes in my life and
prepared me for this. I feel like because I was
raised in the Midwest, UM, I can kind of understand
where that sort of Republican side is coming from and
analyze them in a different way. My father was a

(44:35):
Reaganite m my mother was a Carter the Rule UM,
and so they had this whole conversation that was all
what's going on? And I think that I think observing
you know this interesting information. Young. Um, I don't think
I also struggle. You know, I've you know, I've been
a real, real, real broke. Um, I've been you know,

(44:56):
not sure what I was gonna do, you know, day
to day. And I think that helps in this business.
And I think not coming from a journalism background actually
helps me in this moment because out of ways I
am in so many ways the victim of prompis what
Trumps is trying to victimize. Right immigrant people, women, Um, women,

(45:16):
who are you know, which stuff for ourselves? All the
things that Trump is m is fighting, I'm living those things.
So I think the journalists in the traditional spenser like
hemmed in by the way, they're trained to be objective.
I'm an opinion JOm. I started off columns, I'm in
a pager like, thank god, I'm glad you mentioned what

(45:39):
you said earlier, because, um, there's been a lot of people,
especially on social media, that's been shocked at the alarming
percentage of how many conservative black folks we have. And
I was trying to explain that Yo. Even in the eighties,

(46:01):
like most most Christian parents went with, well, who's more
closer to my Christian values? And you know, they were shocked.
My mom was like, yeah, I was ashamed that. You know,
we voted for Reagan twice because he was closer to
a Christian Well, because the thing is is that well,

(46:22):
I mean most people did, like Mary Mary, what's the
name for? Mary Mary, admitted that we voted for Trump
because that was close. See, the thing is, I feel
as though, of course, I feel like the GOP is
being used as the trojan horse of what you know,
of what these people of, what their agenda is, Like

(46:46):
this current GEOP is nothing close to what it was
thirty years ago. And I think a lot of people,
especially under the guise of Christianity, like usually they're they're
they're kind of their Mason Dixon line. Is the issue
of abortion? Yeah, abortion, Whereas now we see it as

(47:07):
because if you think about it, I'm waiting for the
day where black Twitter discovers that Commons retrospect for life
is actually day. Because the thing was, when we was
working on it, we was working on it, I was
like like everyone thought like, like, well really cares? And

(47:28):
now I asked him like two months ago, I'm like, yo,
I said, you realize that one day someone's going to
discover retrospect for life, like thirty years later and you're
gonna be it wasn't necessarily on the right side of
the fence. I'm just yo, dog, there's again there's a

(47:49):
lot of you know, like that line, you know, a
little college and I want to all right that I've
seen more, but I saw more people like yeah, like
that's when I realized that black people were mad conservative.
I thought Zion is kind of like that too, right,

(48:12):
It's like a subtle kind of pro life he miss.
I just feel like black black people are tend to
be pretty conservative socially. We're close to God. Yeah, that's
being close to God is our hope. Like after all
the stuffing through, Like if you tell me that that,

(48:32):
like you let that go, then what else do we
have like that sort of thing? So um yeah. But
the amount of people that whose minds have been blown
at why you know a lot of my idols and
and heroes, uh, you know, the last thirty years in

(48:53):
hip hop are sort of yeah that to fifty cent though,
he's back right, he back with us? Is that what
he thinks? He's such a troll. I can't even he's
such a troll. Fifty knows the value of controversy and
saying whatever, you know what I'm saying. So I don't

(49:14):
know where he's at. I mean, who knows who we
will vote for? But what what surprising to me though,
just because I'm a little older than I and I'm
I'm I can't open that public enemy era. And I've
been surprised of how quiet if pop has been overall
on Trump period, like I expected, like I go to
war with Trump and it I mean, like eminem about

(49:36):
Trump and anybody else, you know, And I'm like, why
is the eminem out here out front? Everybody else's kind
of quiet? Like that surprised me. I thought it was
more like why is that Fellows man? I think at
the end of the day, Um, you know you're and
we can go back to the seventies to your Bill Withers,
your Curtis Mayfields, you're Edwin stars. Like they weren't bawling

(50:02):
in a penthouse apartment. They weren't, you know, and they
didn't have much to lose, and hip hop became the
thing that it was once against, its mass capitalism. There's
stuff to lose, Like if you look now, like some

(50:23):
of are most outspoken capitalists in the hip hop game
have been very, very silent, you know, kind of clutching
their pearls. I'm trying to think of. It's interesting because
I'm well, yeah, I mean a lot of people are silent,
and you know, and where they are, like, I know,

(50:44):
we're a lot of the one percent hip hop people
are hiding out as far as like what island they're
or or what you know that sort of thing. And
then the other half it's I've going, man, the amount
of back back of worth bickering I've been dealing with
and rappers d m s with me just trying to

(51:08):
tell them like I don't want them, I don't want
them to get canceled, you know what I mean. Like,
and there's there's this there's this old mentality that they
didn't get the memo on that they can't say certain
things or you know, and it's not me trying to
control their opinion, but I'm like, dog, I just don't

(51:30):
want you, just I don't want you to stop your bag.
And there's like end, you know, and it's it's it's
just disheartening to me, man. It's like it's it's like
my whole generation might be a lie and I can't.
I can't come to grips with that right now. But athletes,

(51:52):
I have to say, I'm so proud of Lebron James.
He's not but he is not in hip hop, George
don't know. He's a part of the hip hop generator. Yeah,
I mean for me, he's not a rapper, he's not, right.
I mean I think, you know, just speaking for me,
you know, um, because I can only speak for myself,
you know, and is way younger. Yeah, I'm forty one,

(52:15):
so you know so. But for me, I mean, when
when I saw Trump got elected, my thought was, and
you know, politics is not really something I've involved myself.
And you know, I mean I vote, you know, of
course I voted in all the elections that I was
able to, but I was eligible too, But politics weren't
really my thing per se um. But for me, when

(52:35):
Trump got elected, I was just like, man, white people
got themselves into this ship. They need to get theirselves
out of Like like, I ain't got that, you know
what I'm saying Like that, I mean, it's some white
people burning people in there, it's some I don't give
a black people in there. There's something it is. I mean,
it is some lost names, get it. Fronte is a

(52:57):
point because at the end of the day, I think
we're more managing white people shock because no, no, no,
At the end of the day, it's like, if anything,
this is the closest that white people will ever know,
like that uncertainty of I don't know what's going to happen,

(53:18):
and it's not exaggeration, Like you know how hard it
was hard for white people to believe that we really
are getting our ass kicked and all that stuff. That's
why I never shared that journey story because it's like,
who would believe me? Like, oh really, question love, Like
y'all all got pulled over and d d da da
da or whatever. But it's like, you know, this is

(53:40):
the closest this is. This is not even, this is
not even. This is I feel like for most white America,
this is maybe thirty one of the fear and the
stress that we go through on a daily basis. I
live life every day like, oh, I could die any moment,
anytime I hass a cop car, anytime I get on

(54:02):
the highway, I could die. I could die. I could die,
you know what I mean, Like, I just live. Is
this the Casey, you feel there's data that backs up
everything I'm just asking. And the thing is is that
you know, we've survived Reagan's cracker like, and I don't

(54:22):
want to say this sort of like because it's not
it's it's it's I don't want to be dismissive at
people like I've I've had at least six people very
close to me pass away from COVID, you know what
I mean. So I don't want to be dismissive of
like this should have been avoided at all costs. But

(54:45):
at the end of the day, I think this is
really about the sanity of white America and can they
live with it? Like, can they live with uncertainty? Yeah?
You know year right, I mean, you you think about it,
you know, we can go back through it again. Right.
But Abraham Lincoln who wrote in letters and did speeches saying,

(55:10):
if you three black people center back to Africa because
they shouldn't be allowed to live with civilized white folks.
You've got Andrew j Right, You've got Andrew and he
was on and that was our friend men and black
people became Republicans on on site because of him, and

(55:30):
he hated black people just be honest, he thought black
people were inferior to white people and wrote that down.
You got Andrew Jackson, who said kill anybody who wasn't white,
marched all the Native Americans, Uh into the trailer chapters.
I don't want to be in camps, trailer tears. Tell
them all it doesn't matter. He was just a cital.
You've got Woodrow Wilson, Democrat, Top ten. According to all
the historians, that almost as many people die of the

(55:53):
so called Spanish flu as died in the Civil War,
just for Trump lied about it. Let soldiers come home
from Europe to World War One with it and give
it out to all of their friends and family. Let
people die just like Trump, liar, vehement racist. We'll talk
about Thomas Jefferson Joy telling exactly this is he gives
lie to the idea that if you have black children,

(56:14):
you can't be racist. Thomas Jefferson, Right. I mean I
said tell my students, you know, I said to the
classes Syracuse. Nice to say to them, why do you
think that almost everybody you meet the Washington Jefferson or
Jackson's right, Wow, right, you know me, I'm Mr and
Mrs Washington. They may have three kids one days of consumption.

(56:36):
Now you got two little Washingtons, that's four Washington. But
they got three hundred slaves and they own every one
of them, three hundred slaves. And every time they produced children,
that's also Washington. You just multiplier, right, So all of
the founders completely racist, you know, you go to Woodrow Wilson, genocidle, racist,
screens a clan movie in the White House, refuses to
let blacks in the civil service, and and he's lauded

(56:57):
as a great president. You got FDR supposed to be
our friends, try to exclude us, like give it that, buddy,
But the blacks right as supposed to be our friend.
You got you know, Lyndon Johnson on tape saying Nigra, nigra,
we gotta do something with the niggra. Like he wasn't
exactly like super not racist, right, but he still did
the right thing. Um, But if you listen to his mouth,

(57:19):
you're like, wow, you know what I mean. Look, even
Nixon did blessing, right, but he wasn't exactly a fan.
So we've dealt Like I think black people have a
certain amount of cynicism even about our supposed friends in power.
And they only like us for so much, and so
we have to get what we can get, and we
don't have as high of a of a of a
bar to say, you know, you've got to be perfect,

(57:39):
whereas white America hasn't really had the sense of security
as you said that we've had. And for the wait,
if you're in Portland, Oregon, that's not black kids getting
there behind kicked by cops when they're out for black lives.
That's their kids. That's their kids in Seattle getting there
behind beat and getting fire holes. That's them, and they're done.

(58:02):
This is in Utah and North Dakota and South Dakota,
that's them. And so I think that sense of instability
and insecurity, at least for white women with college degrees,
is moving voter. So this is a referendum on how
much you know, White America's willing to put up with.
We know how black man are gonna vote, you know,
we know two thirds we couldn't. And it didn't a

(58:24):
new percentage come out about how the number of black
men are have went up for voting for Trump. Didn't
do that. That was my I think it's come on,
just I'm going in and Lava appeals to a certain consculinity,

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and he has he's actually gone the hotel, the outline.
But that's you know, it's probably he'll probably get you know,
ten eleven percent, but you know ten eleven percent of
black men tend to vote Republican anyway, so he'll get
his spen eleven percent of black man who you know,
black women, I need nine, but then a black women
to vote against them. Um, he'll get He's getting more

(59:04):
Hispanics because there's just a certain kind of masculinity. Yeah,
still get some, but he's the overwhelming majority of black
men are gonna vote. Like, yeah, I just thought that
was interesting. I was like, okay, so why did why
to go up? Though? Why go up? Though? Why did
what go up the black men numbers? Because there's a yeah,
the the kind of toxic masculinity kind of me too, blowback,

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you know, that's that's you know, you cheer for the
black bad guy. This is why we watched Scarface a
lot and not From Here to Eternity? Is that the
only film. I'm sorry, that was an odd example. You know,
in my mind, I was like, don't see that film
to say anything Pee Wee's Big adventurement. Don't say, but

(59:53):
sixty hip hop lyrics, like he made a lot of
you know, I remember Um interviewing Uncle Luke in and
he was like, we were all at the Trump's house party.
You know, Trump's in our areas. Like but different thing.
I mean, I think that's a different context because I
don't think it's fair to say there are plenty of

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people I hung out at parties with. I don't think
the motherucker should be president, you know what I mean,
you I think it's a different context of like this
guy in the eighties, I mean, you know, the eighties nineties.
I mean he was basically just just like a celebrity.
It was aspirational and it was he was just the
negative finesse. He was basically neig so, prefaid legal. It
was just the finesse and everybody. But you know what

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I mean, Like that's all the ship was. But now
you see the finesse, it is like you respect the finesse.
Like you see the finesse is like, oh man, he
finessing and doing this and he's selling buildings. It's like,
oh now he's doing this, Oh he's got a TV show,
And like you respect the finesse. But then once it
gets to the White House, it's like, okay, y'all then
took the ships fall. Now it's dangerous. Like before, it

(01:00:57):
was like a guy we just kind of looked at,
you laughed at you laughed at the hair, you saw whatever.
But now it's like, hold up, dude, y'all, don't put
this motherfucker in the White House? Are you shipping me? Like? No,
I come to funk on, you know what I mean.
That's the part where no, bro, don't don't don't do that, y'all,
don't ran this ship too far. I feel like that's

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what Joy be thinking every day when she's sitting at that.
I really can't. I still can't believe that this and
it wasn't people because he did lose the election. I
just can't believe them. Four hundred people in the Electoral
College said yeah, let's do this, let's put this close.
So okay. So that brings me to a question, Joe
out curiously know your thoughts on So I'm curious to

(01:01:39):
see what the post Trump effect will be on politics,
because you know, on one hand, there's a lot of
people that are saying, well, Trump got it, So now
the I guess the kind of quote of personality and
the celebrity that that door is wide open. So now
you might see held the rock might try to run
some ship or you know what I mean, you know

(01:02:02):
what I'm saying, um, but I'm thinking and I want
to know your thoughts. I kind of think that now
this may be a tipping point where the American public
are looking at this ship and they're like, look, dude,
let the poppers pop in, the breakers break, you know
what I mean, Like y'all motherucker's like, let the politicians
be politicians. Just shoot famous niggas. Just be famous niggas.

(01:02:23):
Don't you ain't never you ain't tried it, Like we
we gave you one shot. We tried to think out
the box. Now rest you niggas. Just go sit home.
I don't care if y'all left right Democratic, No, just
keep making movies. Stay the funk out of politics because
y'all sucking shut up. Tell that the Puffy Tell that

(01:02:46):
to Kanye. I mean they figured. I think Republicans figure
there one there one for two because they had Reagan.
You know, so I don't know that this is over
because you gotta remember about Reagan too. But like even Reagan,
it was different because Reagan governor, he was a governor.
He at least got an end as an actor, you know,
the governor now right, No, he's not. I'm not saying that.

(01:03:08):
Don't don't wanna talk about that man law. You better
move now. He has his yea, now has his sights
for being governor California. First. Good good for anyone down
help him. He needs help. But I mean, you can't
tell nobody down with five billion dollars in their pocket.

(01:03:29):
Obviously we really got five billion his pocket. Though, you know,
I asked to did this this all the times? Wrong
with Joy? Is he crazy to ask you? You? Well,
go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. The first question, so
do you think do you think do you think celebrities
are done or out of politics? Now? Well, what do

(01:03:51):
you think the post Trump set will be? I don't
think it's done because you have to remember, part of
what drives Republicans is a real anger that they've lost
the culture. And I think they're more angry about losing
the culture than they are about the political majorities. And
they don't ever win majorities. They don't care about that.
What they hate is that back when Reagan was in

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being a Republican was cool still, you know, they could
still get invited to the Oscars. What they really want
is they want you to like them. They want the
culture to be into them. They hate the fact that
they feel isolated from Hollywood. They feel isolated from the
music world. Not once Arogan artists hate them. They all
they covet being around celebrities and being among celebrities. We

(01:04:37):
had Robert de Niro on the show, um and he
knows that Trump wants desperately for him to like show
up at the White House and like be his friend.
He hate, can't stand him, and most of the really
famous people can't stand That's why when Kanye popped up,
they were so eager to grab him and hold and
grab him and hold onto him because they just want
the culture and they the same thing. They snatched up

(01:04:59):
on him. I couldn't wait to tweet him out. As
a matter of fact, he was apparently wasn't prepared for
them to twet him out like that. I don't know
he didn't think they were going to do them like that.
But they're so desperate to have the culture to know.
I think if anybody halfway famous tries it again, Republicans
will do it because they're basically a minority party of
Christian white men and their wives, and there's just not

(01:05:21):
enough of those to ever be a popular political party.
And they feel like Mark Cuban is our standard bearer.
Maybe that'll translate over. People will ignore what he's saying
and just look at who he is. So I think
it's not over. I can see, yeah, I can see.
Maybe I had thoughts. I was talking with a friend
of my earlier. We thought about Tuck Tucker Carlson, him

(01:05:43):
being like a dangerous you know what I mean. I
mean just I mean he's he's in so many homes,
you know what I mean, Like well, and it usually
be probably really rich, wouldn't want to be president because
it's the salary cut, you know, scorners mean by a
thousand years and a million. But Trump has shown that
you can make millions billions president, I mean president, now

(01:06:08):
that you know people who have authoritarian and know you
richer while you're president. He's broken all the rules. And
then the smart version of Trump and then we're brilliant. Joe.
I'm curious because I watched less if we see way, way,
way too much and the one conversation I haven't heard
people have yet. Is letting Trump out of the White House?

(01:06:29):
What's the information that he has? What do we do
about that? And him monetizing that and doing all kinds
of mess of things to the country to pay us
back what we did. I don't I don't see Trump
as somebody with the mental acuity to remember any important
thing to give him away. I just don't. I know
if he likes to talk about Biden being off, but

(01:06:51):
tum something not right up there, you know, up here,
I'm sure he could remember it. I'm more worried about
people like Harry. I was just about the say Avanka,
but about Adonka don jair like marriage. Yeah, you don't
know what they would spell. We don't know what's for
scale when they you know. I about that too, especially
for Russia and especially to the studies and waiting um

(01:07:14):
y'all who ever made you know? I don't know. I
don't dang. We did exactly to joy what we said. Yes,
can I do want to ask you this though, It's
funny you mentioned just all the effects of Trump and
how your career has kind of been like you know,
it's a effect of that um and with the read out.

(01:07:36):
It is so interesting as well, because even with the
unfortunate you know, exit of Chris Matothew, of Chris Matthews
kind of like the same thing as the Trump effect.
And I wanted to know how you feel. It's do
you feel like a heavy weight because now you are
one Eiffel, Now you are the lone black woman doing
the primetime news. Yes. Can I answer this question? Yes,

(01:07:57):
because you're You're gonna answer a question that I also
want to know is how secure do you feel with
the read out and how it's going now? Um, because
I was emotionally attached two another uh black female journalist

(01:08:20):
at this very station, two of them, Yes and poof
thin air. And that's that's kind of my thing when
when a new show comes and I like, I don't
want to get it mostly attached because then there's no security.
I know, there's no such thing as job security. But

(01:08:40):
but because the the the resounding uh praise for the show,
I mean, has has been so good, do you feel
that you're in at least a good place with the show. Oh, definitely.
I mean, look, the I'm friends with both of those
two ladies who are talking about and and I mean
the you know when I took over the weekend show.

(01:09:01):
You know, I actually I wasn't here talking to Melissa
because I didn't want her to lead, you know, I did,
and I depended on her show. I was like, I
really really missed her, and I still missed her a
void auntie and she was saying her name, yes, yes too,

(01:09:24):
no people, and like Tameron Hall is just blown all
the way up. And I'm so proud of her. And
I've watched show. It's funny. I always already in Maryland.
Her show on at one o'clock, so I already know
every everything that happened. When it comes off like that,
I can't look at Twitter. But I mean so, I
mean the good thing about um this, there's always another life.

(01:09:45):
And I had my show cancel um my daytime, my
daytime show canceled, and felt what that felt like. And
so there's nothing you can really hurt me now, you know,
getting canceled once this happened to you back in that.
I'm a good writer, I'm a smart person. I'm innovative.
You know, if you show into tomorrow, I'm proba. Okay, Well,

(01:10:07):
thank you, uh you know, we we appreciate you coming
on the show and giving us your time. I know
that you know your our plus is precious time. And
oh promote your commis do your Problems series though, please
please please, and and I want to just add to
my last answer to say that I you know, I'm
not saying I don't absolutely love doing the show, which

(01:10:30):
I do. I was going to make that clear because
it's it's fun, Like we managed to have fun, and
so I just want to pick up we managed to
like make that news fun. You know. So I love
doing show. I love doing my weekends go back. I
missed them as well, So it's fun. This is I'm lucky.
I'm blessed. Like my mom never made a kind of
money that I'm making. She never got the chance, you know,

(01:10:50):
I'm you know, I'm proud. I think proud. She was
a new un I'm just happy to be out there
and making my mother proud. You know, what do you
what are you doing? Decompressed Joey? Like, what do you watch?
I don't want this just to beat the doom and gloom?
What do you do to relax? Watch? I love watching
sci fi. I know y'all started off talking about Lovecraft Country.
I love sci fi stuff. I love anything with zombies

(01:11:12):
in it. You know, I like all the walking did
all of that. I just love like creature features, like
you know, give me a hunt. I just finished watching
The Haunting of Blyth House, really good called Darts, which
was like a crazy like time travel crazy. Like I
just love watching TV. I grew I'm Generation Next, so
I grew up watching the TV. So I love it.

(01:11:35):
That's what I do for fun. Did you watch Have
you watched them? Well, there's two competing coke documentaries. There's
The Vowel on HBO and then Induced. Okay, look man,
oh you want to you want to go in, Let's
go in. Let's go Okay, I don't watch the vow

(01:11:57):
So the Vowel is like series. It's a nine part series.
First off, just right, there a nine part documented series.
Like that's like a forty page suicide note. You really
don't want to do it, so right, So like it's
the ship is nine fucking parts right, and it's about
this coat? Is this this white dude? Um? There's like
running this like Heathrean neary running who they who just

(01:12:20):
got sentenced to a hundred twenty years by the way,
like yesterday he will this ain't like this ain't fictionalized
that nigg is sitting down for a hundred twenty things.
So they just you know, he got it. They the
vow nine parts, and but and it's directed by to
the directors that used to be in the coda. They
went to some of them and then there got all

(01:12:42):
this footage of people and it's just basically about how
this nigga was a scammer. He had like a pyramid
scheme he was running, and then he had this other
thing on the side out of the pyramid scheme that
it was a sex coat and he was branding women.
And you know, like all this ship the Vowels nine
parts is super long, and don't watch it, no, don't
watch this ship's bullshit. The other one that competing, the

(01:13:09):
competing one is Seduced, not seduced, is on stars and seduced.
Come on, hold, okay, now the difference seduced. It's only
four parts. And then come out of the gate. The
first two minutes it's all smoke, baby. Yeah, they get

(01:13:31):
right to it. They get into all like all the
all his fun ship and you know just how basically
and they also in uh in Seduced, they have a
psychologist on it that breaks down like all the techniques
he was using and like techniques that colts will use
and like everything. So and and it's based by the girl.
So the the girl that the that seduced is based

(01:13:54):
on uh India Well, alex Alison mac she was the
one that was helping to run the but the girl
that went under and they couldn't get her out, it
was the oxenburg Er was it Christine and India India
India So India Oxenburg. Her mom is Christine Oxenberg, who's
this white lady used to be on Dynasty back in
the day and her grandma, Yeah, and the grandma show

(01:14:20):
so Christineknosenburg rich white dynasty actress lady. And then the
grandma is like a real queen. She was like the
queen of some country or something like basic, Yeah, the
duchess of some ship and so and so then you
gotta see you gotta and so then like they get

(01:14:43):
into how the Bronfman's sisters were like bankrolling this nigger,
Like he pulled the Brons poor Vans that funded my records. Yeah,
the whole is about to go to jail, and don't
I'm good in Hannah right now. It wasn't amazing, and

(01:15:06):
the other one I can't remember claring the other system.
Yeah yeah, anybody to go to jail, but um, but yeah,
so it's if you're in just for some good kind
of trash, like white people foolishness, just to take the
load off your chest jewelry, I recommend seduced but relaxed
with some white people foolishness. Okay, well there you go.

(01:15:29):
There's there's your white people fools this stuff. The day
after election day, my money was from Guyana. So every
time they would say, oh, wait, where's your accent from
where you're from? And she would say Guyane, they say, oh,
are you from Jonestown and she would have to say Georgetown,
Georgetown stuff. I'll watched it. Oh and I also watched

(01:15:56):
it was good. Um, if I'll check the forty year
old version, that's really that's a great black girl wonderfulness
right there on that. Okay, all right, so now we
gave you something to decompressed. Thank you, Joy, We thank
you for coming on our show. We appreciate it. Joey
read everybody check it out. The six part podcast is

(01:16:20):
actually gonna be ending right when this is coming out.
When this episode is coming out of this show of
this uh Puss Love Show, and it is a six
part series on the making of Kamala Harris. It's called
Kamala Harris Next in Line. So that is downloadable. You
get the podcast. Um. And then my other podcast is
called what to Read and Be interviewing book authors hopefully
soon Qu's love too. And so I got two podcasts.

(01:16:43):
I'll have a third one that's coming out next year.
We're coming back to coll read this read that, which
is me and Jackie read just being silly. That's just
a being still out. You should be that one a
little bit. Read. I just want you to know Black
America just called and wanted me to tell you say
thank you and we got your backs forever. I appreciate thanks,
Thank you Black America. You okay well on behalf of

(01:17:07):
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