QLS Classic: Black TV Writers Roundtable Pt.2

In part two of a special black Hollywood roundtable, Team Supreme sits down with TV writers Tracey Ashley, Diallo Riddle, Bashir Salahuddin, and Angela Nissel to discuss how the black media landscape is changing.

Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of course. Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio.
This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Yo.
Check it out, y'all. This is Fonte Fonticcolo back with
this week's cure Less Classic. This week, we're gonna take
it all the way back to February thirteen to Night
Team for part two of our Black TV Writers round Table,
where we chop it up with our good friends Tracy Ashley,

(00:23):
Diallo Riddle, but Sheer Slid, Dame, my Brothers from Sherman Showcase,
and Angela Nissel, who is getting a lot of love
right now from her mention in Dave Chappelle's Moves Best Froom. So,
uh yeah, Angie doing your thing. Love her. Listen. We
sit down with them, we talk about how the black
medi their landscape is changing, and we get into a
whole lot more. So check it out cure Less Classic.

(00:44):
Get into it, yeah, pie Hey. Last week Gonna Quest Supreme,
I introduced you guys to four black writers currently working
in Hollywood, Angela Missile, My Serious, Salahudine, Diallo, Riddle, and
Tracy Ashley. Collectively, they've written for shows like Scrubs with

(01:07):
Jimmy Fallon the last g and many many more. Hey,
let's not waste any time. Let's get right back to
the conversation. Um. So, like the old shows, the old
black shows, let's say, like like the Jefferson's and What's Happening,
did they have black writers or with you know, like

(01:29):
the absolutely mostly very much mostly did not. It was incredible, Yeah,
normally are actually just I just listened to a podcast
he did and he talked about that. How I think
he said the black the Black Panthers showed up at
his at the studio because they were mad that they

(01:51):
were They were like, this white man is writing this
this story. Yeah, so I don't think they way there
was some black authorship was the star usually had some
level of ETO power. So that's the role which you
got a script could then be like no, no, no,
no no. But that's like the very last level. But
right before that, there was nobody in that room. Briefly,

(02:13):
on Sanford and Son, I know that Paul Mooney and
Richard Pryor. Um we're brought into by the way A
lot of people realize Sanford and Son was actually an
import from the UK white people. What it was? How
long was that on? This is before four days of

(02:37):
BBC America, so we don't we have no idea. So
of the four of you um getting fired, now, how
many of you are always always aware of that always?
How many of you are willing to truly sacrifice for
the greater good? Now I know him. I know there's

(02:57):
a load of questions because I know that usually a
lot of nepotism and sort of the patriarchy, like the
system of of starting out as an intern and then
becoming a writer, then the head writer, and then next
thing you know, your your network head head. I know

(03:18):
that's very hard for black people to even fathom that situation.
Usually you're worn out and tired after ten fifteen years
of this bullshit. But how many of you are thinking
past writer, head writer and showrunner too? I would like

(03:40):
to run the network and especially all right, I would
assume that for women, uh And I see this often.
You know when I investigate the the culinary world, most
women don't last in those high end uh, the kitchen
situations because you have to really give like fifteen to

(04:03):
twenty five years of your life in that situation, usually
want to have kids and you retire after a while.
So are you are you even thinking about in five
I'd like to be president of the network, so that
way I could really open doors. And I think that
for us, I don't know any For us, the highest

(04:25):
thing you can do is be a showrunner is to
be somebody like a Kenya Bearris two. For I don't
think too many writers actually want to. Yeah, that's a
different tread that nobody has to a network. I would
assume that now that Shonda Rhymes is kind of envy.
Is she the besides Oprah the highest level where you
could be in the game right now? And she runs
her own production company, right, So Shonda Rhimes not even

(04:48):
the eight steps away from Oprah hood. She goes on
this role. My two stents would be she's as close
to being somebody who has that network power without giving
up the thing which is the reason we get up
in the morn because we feel like artists. You want
to go make art. I mean, I wouldn't you know.
I know this, I know, and records were started by right,

(05:09):
I think, But you know that's that's sort of a
parallel thing in a sense of like, well, those guys
were musicians and they said we got to got our
own label. It does happen but you know, even with that,
it was one guy that was really music and the
other guy was the business. The show still get notes
from a network, Yes she still has. Yes, does she
honor all those notes? Who knows? Yeah? Yeah, Well hence
me asking probably is willing to sacrifice because you know, like,

(05:33):
but it's already has I want to be a musician
and creative. But one woman president. There are black executives
who right, some women it's coming, No, what's happening. That's
why Roseanne, Roseanne happened because the black home was like, yeah,
a black woman one It just you know, whatever you
think of it, it's there. Well, I'm not saying hasn't happened.

(05:56):
I'm saying who in this room is willing to how
for are you willing to go in this this trek,
in this journey of television being able to be fired? Yeah,
I'm like again for me personally, I would love again

(06:17):
for me if you just go to movies, if what
my girlfriend and I were, if what me and my
girlfriend's talk about is right, you know, And there hasn't
been a black female half an hour comedy network showrunner,
broadcast showrunner since the nineties. I mean I've been in
this since two thousand two. I'm I can't give up.
Now what else can I do? You know? And I
like being able to help other younger people like Tracy

(06:38):
come in and do you know so if it ain't me,
it's going to be her hopefully. So I mean, I'm
not giving up until I'm dead. What the hell? That's
when you are gonna take me in? And sugar Dad,
I think the I think the ability to create new shows,
new characters, new environments. I think that's what you know, juvenile,
you know what I mean, as opposed to the desire

(07:01):
to have other people to bring us those things and
be like, Okay, well you're gonna get a p M
on Wednesday, Like I don't. I just think that that's
a slightly different thing, you know, And maybe sometimes people
will make that jump, you know, but you know, so
what I'm feeling here is that the the there's a
limit to your sky. No, I think they're saying to

(07:24):
network executive and like, none of us if we were
negative network executives, we wouldn't be able to write and
create new characters network executives. And maybe one of them
will become ahead of their network. I just you know.
I mean, can I just say for me, it's like
if you I'm not saying I'm not Picasso, but I'm
saying if you were to Picasso said, you know, you
really got to run a museum, man, And I'm a painter. Like,

(07:47):
so I'm saying, like, that's the top who's willing to sacrifice?
Who want to sacrifice to? Like I love doing that,
but the creative And then he stopped being creative and
be came President for the Greater Good to bring a susser,
to bring his steelc to bring it. You know, Puncy
Jones was a trumpet player and love scoring. But okay,

(08:10):
but would he have kept doing that had the deal
been selling like ten twenty million records? Like would he
have a moment? And he jumped at it. Now we
asked Jimmy jam the same thing, like would you want
to stop creating music and producing just to you know,
to to be in the front office and not being creative?
And he said no, I didn't want to do that.

(08:32):
So I understand That's why I was at I think
was creatives just don't people don't think like that. I mean,
you kind of do what you do just because that's
I want to do that, like, but I will say
that I think about it all the time though, so
I you know, but I would say just really quickly.
Ahead have to admit that that actually did cross my
mind being at CBS and being on this show, because
I was looking around at all the executives we developed

(08:55):
over there. But you know, I just wanted to say
really quickly that Kevin Hart is a starting is on
network right now. The way the media landscape is changing
between cord cutting, the seven, you know, there's I think
I might be making this. I think there was like
TV shows or something like that, or maybe let's say,
if I'm wrong, let's say it's three hundred. That's the

(09:15):
three hundred things everybody watching all that ship. So I'm
saying it's a little bit of a different terrain in
the seventies. I think they are definitely talented people now
who are saying, look, I can just get an app
on your TV the way that other people the Netflix
has an app and you'll watch the basher network, and
then that'll be the way that I, you know, corral
the conversation and be able to give green light power
to people. And I think that's already actually happening right now.

(09:37):
There are people creating networks right now that utilize technology
to be the people who are in charge. I'm scared
for Kevin Hart though, because I wonder, I'm like, wow,
how many people because there are so many outlets, how
many people are going to the L O L network
or whatever? I don't know. Maybe that's that's that's the
next part of it, right It's like, so what is
the other thing that's going to be created that you
can be a boss and maybe not be a network

(09:59):
exact it maybe not to be an app. I don't know.
I hate to ask. This question is revolked a nationwide.
It depends on what I don't think. I've yet to
see where we get it get we get in North
Carolina's who's your cable provider? We ship it has been
brought providers. And it's not about the provider because it's

(10:20):
on Comcast is on Time, Warner's on Charter. It's about
the cities that they're in because it's not on it's
not in the spectrum in New York City. And I
still don't get it. Where will be like watch my
show and fuse I'd be like, that's true. This is

(10:42):
the only time in history, Like you can be at
a restaurant sitting next somebody who is a fucking started
on TV show you don't know who the they are,
and somebody comes to an autograph, who are you? And
I got a TV show on pal, I'm a I'm

(11:03):
on the news is L O L and Actual network.
He's buying studio space out in uh Chat's Worth, like
he's he's doing this is happening. I went out there
and saw the space like there, this is happening. One
of them spread itself there and nothing be as with

(11:28):
the with the whole like core cutting thing. Just in
terms of the economics of TV. Yeah, I mean because
to me it just doesn't seem like and I don't
know how it affects like writers and actors and stuff,
because like, yeah, people are cutting the cords, but they're
still jacking you up to ask for the Internet. So
the amount of the amount of people who watch each
TV show has gone down, the amount of individuals who

(11:50):
spend their day watching TV. It's it's fine. It's actually
that number is consistent. So the people in this room
will always have of friends and stuff because it's like
we create content. It I will say you gotta have
ten jobs, so I will say so, I want to
say this. We are developing another show with I f C.
You know, and uh, and we're very excited about The Contecutive,

(12:11):
produced by John Legend, our composer. Fund take a little
in the room. There you go. Um. One of the
things that I noticed when I was talking to some
of the some of the millennial assistants. I would be like, hey, so,
how do y'all watch cable TV? You know, like because
I have it? And they'd be like they'd be like, well,

(12:31):
you know, uh, like none of them will actually pay
for cable. One was like, some watch it once once
it goes on Netflix. Somebody else was like, well, I
never cut the cord because I never had a chord.
I'm gonna put somebody on blast. I want to put
somebody on blast. Who I live with, who I'm married
watches and we watch every real house we watch all

(12:56):
of those. We do not have cable in our house.
Were watching all those shows every night on the TV
in the living room. That's the question you should ask yourself.
So I don't know it's the website special webs. Yeah,
we watched every one of those and I'm like, this
is we're evil. You got a fire stick. You ain't
never got to lead a house. And the kids can't
even understand paying for content. They don't even they content

(13:20):
would we pay for. I don't pay for content. I
use my mother's cable when I log in a time
when nobody's paying for telling them they just paid for
the box. Yeah, yeah, box, that's true. I wanted I
got my apsode. You talk about millennials, my nephew, I
guess we want to watch Handmaids Tell And so he

(13:41):
was like, yeah, give us the He was like, I
give you my Hulu pass. When I'm like, all right,
and I pulled that ship and it was like five
other profiles because oh, are do you consider internet based
tvc aries real shows? Or Amazon? By the way, Hey,

(14:06):
I'm on I'm on Netflix. Shout out Netflix, Let's go glow.
But episode eight or whatever, the actual show the one.
But can I just say something, but Amazon has some
of the best terrible black movies listen in the world

(14:27):
to watch every single one of them. Watching you watch
the ones with your boy murder pain, Yeah, watch the
shout out to the game, the one it takes place.
I can do Detroit, Like he's in the plug plug
to the plug to. We watched that one. Talking about

(14:48):
I'm realized that it don't matter the level of money
people spend on it. If it's available, Black people will
watch that ships, Amazon will buy. It's a bunch of
bad ballots on about it looked like the goddamn golf,
like the bluff that type of level. Yeah, like that's
the piece the bluff was. These movies have no sound,

(15:10):
These movies have no DP. I'm sitting here in my
living room watching a movie. It was like this whole
scene is Sometimes you won't see a character for forty minutes, minutes,
back up, and you'll be like, oh, he's still in
the movie. That's content. But it's content. I'm watching it
in the living room. Shout out Amazon and Amazon too.
I think they do a good don't kill me for

(15:32):
that because they watch they they don't listen to Okay Glowers.
Netflix they have their black movies because like I watched,
you know, because like that it's all this ship like
the world is a algorithm. So like I watched, Yes,
I watched the level. I see what should I watch?

(15:57):
Netflix has Church plays Netflix there like there's a movie
here on their laptop. Immediately, boy byes a movie written
do you want Us Houston? If you want Good starring
Windy Rakale Robinson song And in case you were wondering,
there is a line in the movie where she says,

(16:18):
boy back spoilers. Brow is not in that one, yo.
You know who's keeping like twelve of them? Know who
was in can that I was going to tell is
not in that way. That's the saddest thing is that
all those movies there is always one person and who's

(16:38):
like a little too big like that motherfucker's right. Didn't
you have your own TV show when you saw John
Amos and the Watermelons? You're like the Watermelon that's that's
a revie. It's a real movie. You'd be like Villica
Fox is yo independent that you know, how did the
conversation to go down? But it has doing some money? Yeah, listen,

(17:00):
it's I know that Mutgages is doing the first You
could either you could not get paid or you can
get paid. Boy By so much? What was the September Room.
I mean, it's it's good, bad, but it's sequels to movies.
You didn't know. It's like, oh five complain they get

(17:23):
they have like Twin four. Oh yeah, yeah, that wasn't
sequel to that ship they called. Yeah I was. Twin
was one of the first, like no bullshit, ab I
was one of the first movies I can remember. I

(17:45):
was in college. This is my firstman year at Central,
and they marketed twa like it was a wrapout. They
came to campus. Yeah, one of the producers came to
Harvard and was talking to us. They came, there is
a four. I just made that ship up. Damn, clear
off your schedule, checking out, check that out. I love

(18:05):
that stuff. That sounds great. Yeah. Yeah, my favorite black
little clicking power. Damn, he's Clifton Power. We came all
the way back to teach you seven. Right, I'm thinking
shot that out with the Clifton Powers, the gangster. He's

(18:26):
in everything. He's in everything, and yeah, he'll be like
in like a murder Pain movie and then you'll see
that nigging like Black Panther three. It's like he has
a wide range, you know what. He likes to work. Yeah,
I would give him that. Every day he wakes up
like I'm going to somebody's set. Somebody's putting in front
of the cab of the day. So like as writers like,

(18:47):
tell us what shows do y'all like that are like
Rick and Morty, y'all like, Yo, this is great writing. Yo,
sell me no, no no, no, I hear that. I think
what Fonte said about the audience is true. I don't
think you should. I don't think it's smart when you
watch it, however you feel about it, just the real ship.
Rick and Morty's on the only show I know that
it is as funny as it is and also still
has jokes that have layers for like people who are

(19:09):
nerves but you don't need but you don't need to.
I'm about to segment. Will be watching that and be like,
oh my god, they just went into the conspiracy thing. Yes,
but I just laughed. I didn't know that. Okay, So
I don't know if I mean, someone told me we
can watch Rick and Morty the ship, watch Baskets too.
I was about to do it another one, by the way,

(19:39):
really funny, not trying to be like like just hard,
hard jokes. What do you think about that I'm having?
And yeah, just like not every bad woman gets my love.
I mean I tried to. I tried to support the
girl Jessica and her Brooklyn. Jessica Day was on the
Daily show My Lord watch two Funky Girls. Wait what

(20:01):
is it? But she had a show on Netflix and
I it was a movie. But white guy, Yeah it
was a movie. It was too millennially new Brooklyn for me.
I think it so you were too open. Maybe I
see black board. I like to go with two black

(20:26):
what's your favorite show? Don't do that because the first
one to come to mind is family, Guy, Please don't
judge me. Really watch television? Yes, yes, ye too much?
As this weird. Most people I know that are in
the TV world, like almost fitted it's there. It's beneath
them to watch television. Every act you have to, Ye,

(20:50):
you gotta watch. I think interestingly enough, most of what
I watched is drama lately. I mean like that kids,
the kids, the second the kids go to bed. I
watched a lot of depressing dark adults. Stuff to around okay,
around the room. What are your what's your to go

(21:10):
to shows? Well, right now I'm actually getting caught up
can't live without No, I'm getting caught up on fear
of the Walking Dead. I mean I'm not gonna um
dam uh. I read the comics you could only name one.
All right, give me, give me your your your guilty pleasure.

(21:33):
I'm ashamed to admit I watched this show. I can't
quite go there. Say it just We're all gonna be honest,
just say just put up your Netflix real quick, just
say it. You know what? Um, I know it when
blah blah blah. I can tell you when the gold

(21:54):
Girls on my asses on the couch watching that ship.
Great show. Yeah, Golden Girls, pleasure show that you know.
The Real Housewives are like reality black in Chicago. I
don't feel proud about. I'm gonna tell you what's on
my direct TV right when something's on that you're ashamed

(22:16):
to say that you watch? What is that show? Okay? Listen,
I've never seen so I don't want to watch it regularly.
I know because I just pulled it up. But I
was like, I know I watched something. My guilty pleasure

(22:37):
is actually the show called the nineteen eighties. The deadliest
decade is the time Discovery I D which is the
best channel. Wait, what the hell is that? Okay? If
that come? Investigating Discovery is basically like a twenty four hour,
forty eight hours date. Like every show is about like
people who are merry killing one another. So it's always

(22:59):
like they were the perfect couple. It seemed they had
everything until she showed up missing after the boat trip.
Like that's basically and they have this one show called
The Deadliest Decade. The thing I like about it, on
top of like marriages falling apart, which is perversely fantastic
to me, is all the old footage. Like I could

(23:20):
actually watch old footage on YouTube all the time. Like,
so last night I was watching uh As It Happened
footage from uh L a TV news shows of the
north Ridge quake, you know, like I just like to watch, like, oh,
how do we react in the moment that it was
announced that John Lennon died? You know what I mean?

(23:40):
Like because I like the old like graphics and I like,
you know, like the grainy footage and like, you know,
the best part to me in Cocaine Cowboys is like
when they show like you know, like Miami footage of
like like when they're like, there were three people found
dead in this apartment tonight, like you know, and you're
just like the footage itself is scary because it's like,

(24:01):
why is this so dark? And like Grainy and Cocaine.
God Boys too is the one that hustling with the Godmother.
That was of course about It's a pointed with that answer,
for that's the real discovery. Still believe the Kardashians. You
can't live without you know, what's what's your start? Treking
Space nine? But okay, go to show that. I watched

(24:24):
way too much of man Um. I watched a ton
of Uh damn, I'm so sorry. I honestly I watch
a lot of Family Guy. I think it's still to
this day a court cutter. So I gotta wait for
the sleepment to other Ship. But yeah, every time when
it comes on TPS and then you watch it on adults,

(24:46):
I'm saying I love that show. I think that shows.
I think I like, I like, what's you watching? Guilty
Pleasure show, Rupaus Race. Yeah? Did I just say though
that those people are incredible after funniest and they have
And I'm from a conservative muscle family. So we had
the Houselord Thanksgiving and my father was like, what in

(25:07):
the brother, I've made so many mistakes And I was like, fine, okay, lot,
I will be I will admit I will sit binge
watch shows I watched. I bench watched RuPaul's drag Race.
But the thing I'm watching now is the Americans. I'm
watching that. Everybody says it's good, it's really good, it's great.

(25:30):
I've been here because I only want it's great. And
but my guilty pleasure is I have to admit love
and hip hop, the one with Alanna or the one
with Stevie J and Atlanta, that's the one. Wait want,
She's already been on it, she already had broke up
with her wants, and now a back to gather. Go ahead.

(25:55):
I don't, yeah, go ahead. I don't know because I
watched way too much TV. Right now, I'm just looking
forward to the Ozark. So like anything that Jason Bateman
and to me is generally good. I don't say I'm
rest of development because I love this year with the

(26:16):
drinks in society. I didn't. I didn't like. I was
just I think to me, like Breaking Bad was like
the pinnacle of white Man goes into scary dok territory,
like ship like that was I was guilty pleasure. Staying
on adult Swim Robot Chicken. That's not a guilty. Somebody
who enjoys marijuana yeah, that's just And as a black, black,

(26:40):
black black person, it's like, wouldn't it would be my
guilty pleasure because people want to expect this off. I
like like a white boy, Like every reference, I feel
like it's for me because I'm like, did ten minutes
on he Man? I'm like that's yeah, yeah. Yeah. By
the way, he Man is on Netflix right now. That
she is so good, so good? No, no, I mean

(27:01):
the cartoon I'm Killing Eve. I watched Killing Eve. I
remember when Dolf Landing played man find me? What's that
killing killing Evero? Soandro and uh oh, I just started
just in order did on that. So it's good. It's good.

(27:23):
You really enjoyed it. The season one is impeccable. Fanto
uh did join I'm watching right now. I'm working with Snowfall. Yeah,
Walter Mosley right that he is writing on like a
lot of that's incredible. Season one is like Dress is
one of my favorite movies of all time. Yeah, and
Glow is like Glow. I watched that. I watched him

(27:46):
made still but I'm like glowing out already. I'm just
like I'm done. It's no way to boot like that,
no way, Like you gotta have Hulu. Right, excuse me, Bill,
I'll call you thank you. No, no, no, he's saying
he got it, he got to hook. I thought we
couldn't mention who. They'll give you this who past work.
They don't stream podcasts on the Yeah, yeah, I pulled

(28:08):
out on that. I was like, I'm good on that ship. Um,
well that's the only thing I pulled out on TV show.
But no, man, that joint. Um, I guess my guilty
pleasure your real rap bro like ninety Day fiancece Man.
It comes on like Bravo, It comes to one on channels.

(28:30):
It is basically a show about holes overseas finessing military
niggas in the States where it's real fantastic. Well, I
mean we can call it what's no No, not that
sex work. No no, no no, they're not sex workers, but
well some of them are. Some of them really are,

(28:51):
like they just want to move. It's just like they're
hustling niggas for green cards. It is that's allowed, yeah Trump, Yeah,
And I guess maybe that makes it not coming from
ship is another real truth. That's what's sad is like
I watch a lot of dramas and I watched a
hell of I probably watched too much news MSNBC. If

(29:15):
you can name like the first five people on a
lot of MSNBC, like I can, you probably got a problem.
I do have a problem, and I could name him
so passionate. I love her. I kind of had a
because she's like she's like her work wife. I love
her saying no, no, no. I like how like punchy
she is. Yeah, she's just like she'll put like one
arm back and she'll be like, what do you think

(29:37):
about help on the board. I'm like, she's already hid
the show. She loves the show. She's such as to this,
She's like, my bff, I were really high brought up
to you guys because I didn't think no, we didn't
think it was a safe I've seen her stand up
by how she took some hicks and some dope as ways,

(29:59):
Like she's like, what do you mean didn't you didn't
know that he's from Canada? What did you think he
was from? Oh? Yeah, that was a great day. Was great?
Remember that bad it's the ok then fought with bo Jack.
I've been trying to go so good okay, okay, but
she was incredible actually that she was like a perfect

(30:19):
the perfect vision. Really she that was my celebrity friend.
She told me she is coming on. Uh is she cool? Secrets,
she's happy, Okay, secrets, something's about to happen, like, okay,
four months, I'll support it. You can see her in

(30:41):
the Andre Leon Tally documentary if you just happened to
go by miss her. She's on that. She wanted to
drop that because it's a really dope documentary. Wait, have
ever ever told my Andre Leon Tally joke before? No? No,
so much. I've seen a documentary it's not about him. No.
Once there's a about to Andre Leon Tally with the

(31:02):
with the that for hating and his get up and
it's like, uh Russell's ex wife, and I think, and
I thought it was jay Z. I thought he was
happy to and I hit him up, like, yo, that's

(31:26):
saying that's a weird you hit up J about this business.
You know many times he's been mad at. But a
picture of J and like this weird fucking hat though, Yeah,
a real picture, but if you look at it, you
can google it and see like it looks more like
jay Z ben Andre And I was just like, I
was like interested in the choice of coat, Yeah there, sir,

(31:47):
and he was like, that's not me and didn't talk
to me for like three months. And yo, am I
the only one that watches HDTV like around my wife,
Property Brothers been on the Yeah, yeah, that's my property Brothers,
House Hunters, Honey International, House International, I watch the Regular House.
What's the one with the flip? Is it flip my house?

(32:07):
It's none of that. Okay, I'm here. I'm sorry. It
does look like jay Z see see it's not gonna
be okay, us he didn't talk to me for three
months for that ship. That's all right, bill with me?

(32:29):
What do you watch? What do I watch too much of?
What's your show that you binge out for? I'm gonna
go last, okay, I'm just hey, hey, you didn't watching?
I plan on being watching Better Call Sauce season four
like in a few weeks. Okay, it's how do you
feel about Better cross Off? I love it. I love

(32:50):
it now. I'm here and talk that it's better than
Breaking Bad. I'm here and talk. I'm watching the different
Dorrey musics on that. Yeah, not on Better Call, so
I don't think less. He hasn't showed up yet. I'm
like behind the episode or two. Yeah, I'm behying a few,
I'm just in the middle. Three. So it's it's a
different show. So I'm not really judging it by breaking

(33:11):
bad standards because it's not about Walter White. It's not
about you know, some dude becoming a meth dealer. It's
but it's about it. It's about you know, Jimmy turned
into Saul. So it's a different journey. Now, what's your
guilty pleasure? I spent way too much time watching The
Fresh Prince Bell Are class. You don't understand how much

(33:32):
time I spend watching You feel guilty for the time. Okay,
I know a guilty pleasure show. I hear. I have
not watched it, but I hear that it's like perfect
guilty pleasure. Reverend runs new show. I tried to watch
that scripted yall scripted. They tried to take his reality
show and make it a real show, make it to

(33:53):
a real show. So he's not playing he's playing himself.
But he has another name for I'm about to say,
shout out to you. Is it no black ones? Right right?
This show got really really I'm gonna come in the
bubble black the damn I've not watched one frame, so

(34:18):
you can google who you got better to look at?
Not for nothing, but you know, I want to see Diggie. Sorry,
there is molesters. You are you too? That's what I suspects.
What do you? What do you been there? I like

(34:38):
Toe's arc um watching Orange controversial for some reason this season, right, yeah, Dark,
is that what happened? I think they need to kind
of wrap it up. I think this next season need
to have y'all seen Have y'all seen Wentworth? Yes, yes,
that's all I'm saying what I thought you might have said.

(35:01):
Because it's Australia's it's so damn same year. Came out
the same year too, Australia's Orangers and New Banks. Okay, okay,
anybody it's with Gomera, No watch person, Amazon, isn't it? Yeah,

(35:22):
it's on It's on Netflix. I think season wanted to
on Netflix. And it's basically The Wire, but like how
The Wire would be, it takes place in Italy and
it's basically Sicilian. Mom. Yeah, Mom, watching tonight, we're doing sounds.
That ship is fucking dope. So it's based on a
book like the like Nari Times Love. It's better than
you know what I'm saying, Broke. You said, Narco is

(35:46):
pretty good now, better than the moor Is Whipping Narcos.
As it's based on a book. It's a real story
about the Camoral crime fan more like the guy that
wrote it. Yeah, comre just like some one more and
like the author that wrote it, like the nigger had
to go like in hiding and ship like he's still more.
So it's like, is this your porn? You've been big man,

(36:08):
But it's not what you spent. It's a guilty pleasure
more as hard as nails. I think I know what
you're guilty pleasure, but what is it? Me? Yeah, Riverdale
right now, but yeah, that's archies. But if archies were

(36:32):
so good, yeah girl, if the Archies were gossip girl,
it's so that's good. I watched, I hate, I watched,
I hate how good it is? This is good? Alright, Oh,
my guilty pleasure. I know you're you're a regular joint.
I've been watching a cartoon on Netflix called big Mouth
right now. I pulled out of that one too. I

(36:54):
was just like, I can't but it's just stupid to me.
It's like, I guess it's like y'all watching those. To me,
it was I was just worried. To me, the slope
was kind of slippery because it's like, Okay, these are
teenage genital you're talking and I know it's animated. No,
I'm dead. And I was just I was like Angel
and it was it was it was too close to you. No. No,

(37:19):
the one episode like girls, it's Genitalia. It's like like
the girls, and so it was one episode where like
the girls vagina and I was just like, dude, I
can't do this. I am happy that the girl's vagina
is getting as much time as the boy's masturbation episode

(37:39):
that I was very, very pleasantly surprised. I think that
got a second season too. My guilty pleasure, though, I'm
with Diallo because I've watched too much Discovery. I d
Wives with Knives because I'm I literally called Discovery. I
d The White on White Crime Channel and then just

(38:02):
watched like three hours of it. You'll be hooked? Is
it better than Smart People? My show? My doesn't feel
the show I think it came on. I d was
Naked and Afraid. If you all will watch, that's your grant.

(38:25):
I didn't watch it because you know, does anyone here
watching Disenchantment? I watched it in the bathroom, and in
the last three days I've been watching in the bathroom
because I can't. It's no windows in the hotel for
me to do what I do, So I put it
on my phone and watch the Disenchantment show up the bathroom.
It's Mac Groening's read what I'm saying. We have no bamathroom?

(38:46):
Uh series? Uh with What's from nothing? Uh? Abby? Oh
there you go, a right happy from rock City. Okay,
It's it's like an animated The Simpsons, macrowning right backgrowning? Yeah,
and what's the nama? Yeah? I never was that, like

(39:08):
really trauma was Actually it was good. And you can't
paw on the law and order. You watch exactly got good?
You got good taste. I'm co signing mad shit on
this side, all right, fighting Damn, you gotta answer the question. Yeah.

(39:28):
I was like, you guys are so uh well rounded
with your choices, Like I'm barely keeping up with all
the own stuff, Like I just gotten the Queen Sugar.
I'm not watching Sugar. I'm not doing that. Are you
watching good? Here's the thing though, man, fucking Angel needs
to talk every and Eva actually told me that they

(39:53):
spend twice the budget money and post uh turning up
trying to adjust because he whispers anyway, yeah, every green
Leaf that what else am I missing on? Own? That's
a that's a drama. Isn't there a third? Love is
too big on? I gave it an that's the talent,

(40:17):
but the serious drama thing that's on the level of
Queen Sugar and Greenleaf Ship? Man, how could I forget
y'alla fix My Life? Popular one nigger? Ya? That's pretty great?
Oh my god, because the greatest part about it is
like after every show, it's like, since appearing on and

(40:39):
y'alla picks my life, ship has gotten exponentially worse. Yeah,
it's like the end of every show she never picks. Yeah,
it's great. It's almost like she she tells them more
specific reasons to hate each other. You don't like him
because he reminds you your mama who you like? Can
I pitch something? I haven't I have a at a pitch? No, No,

(41:01):
here's I'll open up to the room. Is there a
show because you've mentioned two to seven again, Is there
a show that Netflix can pluck out of the past,
out of the black past, and do like the serious,
the serious version Archie to Riverdale, Seven Family Matters living

(41:28):
in Chicago, in Chicago with a black nerd. Yeah, that
was like the whitest black show. This is all about
what happened to Judy. Oh yeah, yeah, how she went
upstairs and talking about her going into porn. I'm talking
about the why did you care to went upstairs? And

(41:48):
then they never did, like all right, that's it. Yeah,
that was it. That was like alf the summer alf
got canceled, but they ended on a cliffhanger. Technically, technically
the end of ALFA is the scientists dragging on and
he's like, Willy still man, y'all show didn get on
the air, and somebody pitched alf and got rich. There's

(42:11):
a they say that was They said ALF is hands
down the angriest, nastiest, most toxic set in the history
of the Dad was on crack and the negative wrote
it was your dad, your dad real crack and Small

(42:33):
Wonder was the worst. Let's can't wait the old Small Wonder.
That was what weird. I'm gonna make a little girl
may just google alf that crack. The writer for I
also did a boy from the Basketball Diaries that movie,
um the movie that remember the movie, but and he
was about it was about a writer that and like

(42:54):
his life was all sucked up. He was the guy
that wrote alf he was a drug addage ship. Yeah,
oh that makes sense, all right, My no, my guilty.
I will stick with what I really think yours is.
I will say that if I'm in bed and I
don't feel like reaching for the remote and there's a
Kardashian marathon, I won't rush to change the channel, like

(43:19):
I'm just too lazy. When I was on folon because
like it reminded me of living in l A. You
know what I'm saying, Like like you see the freeways,
you see like you'll be like, oh she just looking
all that sense like it was. It was like a
little postcard from home, regardless of who they were talking.
It's only like three episodes and then I gotta stop,

(43:40):
Like I find myself getting sucked in. The show is
not popular because it sucks. You know, it's a good show.
The reason it's super popular because it's like, but I
feel super guilty for watching it. We'll take one last
break and then we'll finish our last sepiade and then
we gotta wrap up the show famitized right. Yes, it

(44:02):
sounds like you're like sample that part. This is written
by Michael McDonald Darryl Hall. There's not stuff that's awful,
but it sounds like they're all right, Michael mcnell, really right.
I believe every day I guess stuff. Okay, count the negatives.

(44:26):
Here we go, right, you can't each other up? Alright? Shut?
I was like, shut up. That's that's that they were

(44:47):
painting right exactly. Y they were Timmy Day shout out
the original m Looked at the Rainbow. Yes, that's my

(45:13):
one of my favorite records, when the best records ever made.
My final question is already is Hollywood running out of
ideas with all these No, I'm just outside of the studio.
I've just seen a sign for Magnum p. I see
that's that's new ideas. But if they think they can

(45:35):
make more money on a reboot, we are the We
are sellers and networks are buyers, and we go in
and we pitch a new idea. Say I want to
pitch Black Girl Lives in a pinball machine. They'll say
say no, They're going to go through the whatever bath
they used to see which one's going to bring in
more money. So it's not that we don't have boots
and that already has a building, it's already been successful,

(45:59):
has been on the air for like nine seasons. I
haven't seen one episode, but like anytime, like I'm at
home and I turned on CBS on a Friday night,
you'll see Hawaifi. But that's a reboot and it's been
on for nine season. Most of those guys were on Lost,
they just on the Hawaii and they just they're like
another show coming, y'all. Have you feel it still a

(46:21):
toxic night on television? Um So, actually no, I don't
think so because it isn't Blue Bloods on Friday too.
I feel like CBS has a bunch of dramas on
Friday and they have all they're all successful, and Friday
night in the lay up night, like that's the boot
up nights Saturday Night is I think. I think what

(46:41):
it is that CBS knows their audience. They're all really old.
They have not cut they don't even know what cutting
the cord is about, and so they're just like this
shows about the cops and then this other shows about
more cops. On Hawaii, so like they like cops, cops
in hospitals. Everything is like a lazy trend to like
like they all saying we were an HBO girl was successful,
so they try to make everything like that. Roseanne has

(47:03):
been a successful reboots and now you see all these
reboots coming. But the other part of that equation I
think is also the TV viewers are just a lot
older than people think they are. So are we ready
for the Martin reboot? Is that going to happen? They
were talking about, Yeah, trust me, some things just need

(47:23):
to be left alone. Sometimes you just fun it up
when you just bring it back, like Roseanne, she sucked
that up. Was like I'm saying, it would have been
good to it was. I I didn't want to go
against Cosby back when they were like going at you

(47:46):
know you never watched it, catch it back. That's the
show I love. I know this family hold on always
wanting to see a black version. You watched they explained
how the white guy wouldn't kiss a black girl back
in the day, adopted a white girl a black girl.
You try a DJ between you mean on the episode
when j J. That's the things that they had kid,

(48:10):
that's why. I think that's why they why they had
him adopted black Girl, and they hadn't gotten to that yet.
There were so many original characters that I thought was
dope that there were still a part of the show
they brought back, that they were still getting couple. Yet
I felt like they were treating that Black Girl on
the show is like a mask. That was yes, and
I was like, she is because she's on different strokes.

(48:32):
Oliver on Rady Bunch, like just the Mr Dn the
Bundies have another child at the seven. Yeah. Yeah, anytime
a baby showed up on a sitcom, that's when you
noticed then and Nelson, Winnie and Nelson. I didn't know
she was great, but she absolutely was an injection of

(48:54):
all right, we need some new character. But then what
was it was a mistake. I mean like I didn't
understand that up they brought the I was like not
because even like it was either if you knew what
SI comes about the end when like a baby showed
up or when bump a Rood Robinson when he showed up.

(49:17):
It's like I was gonna say when Colonel Taylor married Lisa,
but you know that was that happen? Oh my god,
why do you remind me? Yeah, that was uncomfortable. Then
she got pregnant and it was like, oh, you're all
really doing that. Actors were uncomfortable. They were like reading
that script like what yo, I hate you right now,

(49:39):
that nigga, that nigga Clarence so one one word, that
one place where that rule does not work with on
Living Single, he showed her he was he was in
the early seasons as like one of the kadidious assistants
or something like, oh wow, okay, I didn't watch The
Living like that, but I forgotten underrated show. That show
was so underrated. I didn't watch another thing like that. Now.

(50:01):
My assumption was that show was so good, and I
was like, but I didn't watch a lot of TV
like in the nineties, like I was just always this
in music. I was saying that Living Single was was
it was underrated because my assumption at the time was
about to get a bunch of new shows like this
and that was wrong and it wasn't because that Friends,
that show is so good. Yeah, but that shows I

(50:21):
think that shows personally better than Friends. Shout Outley Bowser. Yes,
that at least beginning, I mean Friends, I will admit
towards the middle of Handband on that show, Overton, Overton
and funny. Man, it was funny. A little too much
like your mama. He's always do this print joke like

(50:41):
maybe I'm just like my mama. Yeah, a little too
much like your mama. Big he was hilarious. Sequence, but
Eric Alexander I thought was big. I didn't called her
big legs, and I haven't called her big legs. Her
name was big Legs, big less. Wait a minute, Okay,

(51:03):
I'm learning the learning, all right. So I've learned, uh
these past two hours that uh that what we learn
Oh yeah, what we learned? Yeah, we got to get back. Yeah.
So I've learned that, uh that reboots are not a
good idea, but you guys are pitching new ideas, are

(51:25):
ignoring uh, And I'm also getting the feeling that we
won't overcome. What did you learn? Oh man, I learned that.
Um well, it's hard to say because I've known everyone
pretty much for a while. But but but now, I mean,
I just I hope what I hope people see. It's
just how long it takes to achieve your dream. I mean,

(51:47):
just from knowing Angie from Okay Player and like knowing
where she's come from, and then just watching these cats
like go through Yeah, yeah, like they from they started
with a web series and the message like an old
seven y yeah, even before fallon, and like just seeing
how long it takes too actually gained some ground and

(52:07):
this ship man like forever. Yeah, it's it's it's a
testament that's just hard working, just perseverance. What did you learn?
I learned there needs to be a slew of domestic
writing workshops for women, especially the black ones, especially when
it comes to comedy. I kind of already knew that,
but I just wanted to reiterate that to the world

(52:27):
because I got Angel in my life who tells me
this all the time, But how are you on your journey?
And well I got these two gigs from Quest of Supreme,
so I haven't been necessarily working on my dreams like
I should have. But I think after we've done this
marathon and recordings in l A, it's time she did
a stand up you did at uh we were there

(52:49):
for Ruth's picnic Um when Tarik did this comedy thing, right,
she did like five minutes I recorded it. Yeah, we
we still got to talk about but I recorded it,
and I'm not like a stand up for me, nothing
like that. I just recorded it and I watched it,
like you just gotta write some jokes her like her. No,
I'm dead, She's gotta write some jokes like her. But

(53:14):
every had come from under that when she stepped on stage.
The one thing I will say, and I mean we
talked briefly, her command of the stage is really fucking dope.
When you stepped on stage, people listening like you had
them at every word. There was just no jokes. But like,
but you had good premises, like you had no No,

(53:36):
I mean you had that thing. You had a thing
where you would like talking about living in l A
as a black woman in l A. Which was like
a funny premise, you know what I mean. But it
just you're on the right path. Talk about that time

(53:57):
out time Now. We've been here for a hundred plus episodes,
and the common theme that we've learned from every artist
we ever interviewed on the show is that the wisdom
and the knowledge come from the failure part. I'm listening.

(54:18):
I'm listening. I'm listening. Now you're quiet. I'm just saying
that we've we've got every comedian has gone through this, Dude,
I secretly go through this, even the world that I
occasionally get I understand. Angel came to my first ever
comedy show, and I was nervous for that. She was
sitting in your bravorite person. I am because no one

(54:40):
I know has ever seen me get on stage. You're
doing you're doing this time? But I mean you've been
here for those smoke too much? Weak? Are we? Are
we doing that? Are we doing that? I would like something.
My My point is that, yes, in order for you

(55:02):
to get better, you have to keep doing it. Yeah,
you gotta start in the mail room. So I think
you're on the right path. Now, She started out like
I mean, she, have you been on stage since the
Roots picnic? Anyway? What else have you learned? That? That's good?
I'm done. You gotta do this weekly. I don't have

(55:22):
no more. Is the comedy act the theater is still
a thing in l A Or is that like a
thing of the past. There's many open we can maker.
I would love to here. Now, Okay, let's do it natural.
I'll go with you. This will help you, This will
help in a lot of areas. You gotta start the sweating. Okay,

(55:43):
but the fact that they're listening to that, he's saying
that they were listening. Yeah, that's really your your half.
That's half always half the battle, right, so huge. I
know a lot of comedians who are funny, but they
can't hold that audience. Okay, so that's something that they
listened to. You did you learn thing I did. I
learned that when I work a long day, maybe I

(56:05):
shouldn't come to the pothead. I got something right, No, no, no,
actually I did learn that from you guys. I didn't
realize that writers go through the same kind of long
hustle comedians go through. I did not realize how long
the fight that was, and I don't think that's interesting.

(56:27):
Did not realize that the grind is the same, Like, yeah,
can I just I learned, I'm going to be real.
I'm gonna let you go last year, we're going in there. Okay.
Uh what I learned? Uh? Man, I learned that I
learned that Donald Gluver was brought on not know this.

(56:56):
I'm gonna yes, I knew were I say, I've heard
I've never heard that, and I know people room like
I got a great two fer line. I got a
great Uh, I got a great line for you to
free letter no no shout out. I learned this fact

(57:18):
jan the nbill Cosmy bought NBC RIGHTA. I learned this
fact to him. It was one of my favorite songs.
And when I asked about it because I got to
know Jeff, Tina's husband who does the music for the show,
he explained to me that, yes, Donald wrote this, and

(57:40):
then also explained that, you know, he was I'm agreeing
with the way y'all looking yo, the way y'all side
unless you are in the writer's room. I'm just I've
heard people say you write to all of Twick's rhymes
and and it's like they say that. I'm like, you're
an electrician. How the hell do you know? Said? I

(58:01):
got another question now, I was about to let the
show go. How uh how small is the world as
far as like writer's rooms are concerned? Like, oh I
heard stuff about uh that particular show, and like like
is the writer's room versus writer's rooms? Like how fast
this news travel about certain shows? You can travel real fast.

(58:24):
If they're their friends who work on shows, you'd be like,
oh man, that how mofucker came in there? And he
he told someone, so you you you fired? You know,
like all that talk, you know, Okay, without naming is
there a just is there? It was Neil Simon, My

(58:44):
gossip is old. Is there a list of shows that's like, uh,
the top three shows I know never to ever approach
or to go to, Like you've heard that work for. Yes,
there's a game of thrown is literally two guys and
their staff writers. So that's like one of the smallest
rooms there was producers you know, are showrunners that people

(59:05):
say not to work for. But I will also say
that when Meth and Red got canceled, it was the
shot black writers heard around them just show because again
at this point, I'm the only black writer in the room.
You were you wrote on that show you No, No,

(59:27):
No Again, it was literally traveled around so because from
what I hear, and again this has passed down the line,
but there was there was a room full of white
writers and meth and Red didn't like what we was
being written and someone they were like, yeah, he shoved
him in the face, and they were like and methem
Red called it a mush and then he mushed him
in the face. They were teaching them about yeah, and

(59:51):
so I was like, and they were like, you just
don't come to Hollywood and we give you a show,
and you mushed people. And so for the next seven weeks,
I could you know, what I heard was rappers coming
to Hollywood, mushing people. They don't so ship and then
I'm the one black person where I'm like, I didn't
wish anybody while you're looking at me. I've never even
heard that word, sam. So I also learned not to
believe everything I hear when it comes from Jeffridge. Would

(01:00:15):
you learn? I learned two things. I learned that Stephanie
Rule listens to q ls. That's that's pretty fun. Um.
I also learned that how Lindon is still alive and
man Ron Glasses and so, you know, shout out to
how wherever you are um and able to go to
heed he just recently died, and shout out to the

(01:00:40):
guys who make it to the nineties. I love that documentary.
The fact that mel Brooks and Carl Rhiner are still
buddies and they still hang on the afternoon, that's amazing
to me. Soosh Bill arn I learned that if I
ever want to get a show in the air, don't
take it to HBO unless I have like a decade
to waste. You would think that with Netflix and the

(01:01:02):
way that streaming, I think that's changing. I do think
things are changing. I think our experiences we were still
a little bit unique and and and what you are
for the course, well, you know, you know what, man like,
I had a homie that was working on they were
doing a um, they were doing a Lewis and Clark.
It was supposed to be. It was it was like

(01:01:24):
three or four years they developed that. That's that's the
one that took eight years, right, Yeah, and Clark took
eight years to develop. And I had a homie that
was working he was in that show and they was
just like nah it um. Look, I think that's changed
a lot because you know, for the first time, Netflix
got more nominations in HBO. I think. I think, I
think the industry is changing. I got a bunch of

(01:01:45):
parties in ways. You know, I'm I'm actually to go
back to your point earlier. I'm becoming more of a
student of how people consume. So I'm finding out that
like v O D doesn't really count towards your ratings,
but people watching on the app does, Like, so maybe
stay on the people on the tech side to make
sure that the app doesn't crash when too many people
are trying to watch the show through the app. Like,

(01:02:06):
there are a lot of ways the technology and the
in the and and the content creation or colliding. And
I think it's smart for all creators to educate yourself. Man, well,
I guess doesn't count towards ratings. It's complicated like the apps.
And uh, I saw a chart and we actually have
a meeting next week at UH I have c on this,
but like there is a chart that shows you, like

(01:02:27):
which things count actually towards your ratings and which things
are lovely but they do not. Oh, man, I guess
what we should go? We should ask y'all, like for
young writers trying to come up, like what would you
say to him? We should but hang on, so uh suk, Steve,
can you tell us what you learned that Steve is
not on the MIC. I know this at IT I

(01:02:50):
learned Steve Mandel. I don't like to be the only
white guy in the room. You can Steve, gave you
your platform, you're not here. I actually just learned through
texted my services will not be needed on the last
o G do to something somebody in the sad room
snitching about some ship. Hilarious, No real. The thing that

(01:03:16):
I learned is that Fante has really shitty tasting TV.
I'll watched by nay by myself. Thank you very much, y'all.
What your question? Oh? No, just um for like young
writers trying to get into the game, Like, what would
y'all tell them? I mean other than like start years ago?
But go to Harvard, Go to Harvard. You know what

(01:03:38):
I'm saying. I don't know that's that's real quick. I
think that I always tell oll people. I'm like, you know,
right every day, get good at writing. If you're if
you claim to be a writer, then you should love
doing it. You know what I'm saying. Nobody puts a
gun to your head and says, hey, make music. You
know what I'm saying. Like it because you just do it,
because that's what you want to do. You'll get good
at it. You know, over time and and and and

(01:04:02):
always you know, stays with yourself. And and that doesn't
necessarily mean you got to write a show about a
person who grew up in your hometown who came to
Hollywood to try to be a writer because I always say,
George Lucas didn't grow up flying spaceships, like whatever isn't
you know your interests? Like write it right it all
the time. Don't ask everybody that you know to you know,

(01:04:23):
read you constantly. Like once you write it and it's
really really good. Be happy that anybody reads anything that
you give them. And please give them at least a
couple of weeks even months to read it, because I
think everybody in this room has had that person who's like, hey, man,
you you read it. Yeah, I sent it to you
at five pm. You know, like that's the thing. To

(01:04:43):
read the scripts so hard. It took me even like
I was just like, man like, it took me a
while to learn how to read scripts. And even the
best writer may have terrible advice for how to fix
your scripts. So at the end of the day, you
have to believe in it. You have to know how
to fix it. I tell people, you know, when young
writers asked me all the time, I say, you know,
you've got to be really hard in your work, like
extremely hard in your work. Make sure people who read

(01:05:04):
it are not gonna be nice about it. But people
who have good taste, but then also really make something
because nobody wants to read the script, like I'd rather
you send me a link to some ship I can
watch and let me see how good you are, because
I'm not about to read ten pages. Make something, make something.
I would say, don't don't steal ideas, don't steal like

(01:05:32):
like you know some young writers who go, oh, I
like that, I'm going to write that, but that's already on.
You know what do you like what you're saying? What
are you passionate about? And Shonda Rhymes did say that
and she said, don't steal, don't steal? Its crazy? Um,
all right, well say something or my tripper, did you

(01:05:52):
say something and you had no advice making? My advice
actually would be if you want to be in a
writer's room, it's to not only get good at writing,
but you should maybe take an improv class if you're
not good at being around people, because you can't. And

(01:06:15):
by the way, that's my always my biggest advice, especially
in comedy, my biggest advice for people who want to
come up no matter what they want to do direct,
act right anything. If you haven't done that much and
you're still figuring out what you want to do. Take
an improv class because you'll be around other people who
have similar interests and then at some point you'll figure out, well,
that person has an eye for something, this person is
a better writer than an actor, and this person is

(01:06:37):
a star in the making. You'll you'll create a network
of people. Me and but Shier's first four way into
this thing was just doing a sketch show with our friends,
you know, for for no money at a theater and wow,
we looked up one day and by the way, that
was a hell of a sketch group. Our very first
foray into anything was the form of a six person
sketch group. I look back on who is in that
sketch up was me and Basher? Why it's an that

(01:07:00):
Robin thed and and Andrew Yarborough and nobody had done
anything where we thought why it was the star because
he had written, He had written on a season of
King of the Hill. He was the start of the
group because of that. So there you go. So yeah,
I think writers, especially people want to get into TV
film get so caught up in the How did right
and I have to put interior exterior of this business

(01:07:25):
is managing people and getting along with other people in personalities.
And you can't read that in any books. I would say,
work on your people skills too. Okay, well we learned
a lot. That's good. Um okay, so I think we
wrapped up our special Hollywood shuffle uh episode. You'll fix
my freestyle, right, you'll fix my freestyle and the edit
never asbout one take. We all got it. So by

(01:07:53):
the way, yeah, ladies and gentlemen to my uh nine nerds.
Oh look look you just step in the room. Boy,
bye bye boy. Did you learn anything? Alright? Hilarious? Well,
when you have a u oh wait, time out, I

(01:08:14):
forgot y'all think I'm I'm bugging. I can't let this
moment go by without a moment of oh god, yeah
you make um Yes, I'm sorry, Bill, I gotta do
this next. So let's go jump street, let's go come

(01:08:36):
on now, uh one more time? One ways? Right, I
don't know that should know? Is that? More like said

(01:09:00):
I did you sell a little moonlighting? My advice? I
got that one? Yeah, oh second, second, second, last one. Alright, alright,
i'nna be happy. That was angry. That was a great
way to spend three minutes. Thank you. Sorry, you know,

(01:09:23):
I'm just wanting to be yeah before. By the way,
that was the spokesperson for Cracker. My show on What's

(01:09:56):
Love Supreme is a production of My Heart Radio. This
classic episode was produced by the team at pandoram. For
more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the I heart
Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your
favorite shows.