June 12, 2023 • 109 mins
Some might say she’s just an actress but Gabrielle Union has really managed to do it all. She gets real with Team Supreme about Being Mary Jane and a sexual assault activist, the star of Bring It On and a new author—not to mention a new mom!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This
classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies
and gentlemen, Welcome to QLs Classic Episode one, Gabrielle Union
from twenty nineteen. We pretty much navigate her life growing
up in all places of Nebraska and that journey that
(00:20):
took her all the way to Hollywood with all of
its lure, beauty and trappings.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's pretty much a good one, y'all.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hope you enjoyed Gabrielle Union QLs Classic.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Let's go here, we go, Let's go.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Subprema Sun Supremo, Roll Suprema Sun Sun Supremo, roll call
Subprima su Sun Suprema Roll Suprema subs Love is here.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah on this road call.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, bringing the finest woman.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah from Ohmar.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Supprima su Supremo, roll call Suprima Sun So sup Prima
role call.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
My name is Fante.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I ain't ate cents lunch. Yeah, but I'm chilling with Gabby.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Fuck Kirsten dunce.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Pramme roll call Supremer Suppreme.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Roll calls up Supreme. Yeah, we're on a roll.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, We're in the house.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, of Na King Cole.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Suprema s S Supprimo roll call. Supprima So Supremo roll call.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, best show of all time. Yeah, we want to
catch us slipping. Yeah, we're gonna need more wine.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Suppremo roll call. Suprema Sun Supremo roll call. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
And my girl she the ship. Yeah, yep, this is Gabby. Yeah,
now bring it.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
Up.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Prema s sup Primo roll call, sup Prema Sun sup
Pramo role called.
Speaker 8 (02:11):
My name is Nikki. Yeah, I like a guy. Yeah,
who's tall? Yeah, Anna Jock.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Suprema up frame a roll, I got it.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Suprema Son Supremo role call, Supprema Son Son Supremo role
cal Supprema Son Son so brame My role came.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Nice. Ladies and gentlemen, Wait, why is it so sound
like it's funeral? Yeah no, I.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
Think that was the funeral of my rap career, my person.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Last second, he did.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
A character reference and you did well. You know.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of course left.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Wow, I feel like we were just here. I know
hes going on and.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Where we're Capitol Records in Hollywood, California.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's like we live here.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, our fourth weekend road without showering changing. Yeah, anyway,
we got a fice house. Like, man, how's married life?
And life is good? Man, it's it's it's boring and
it means it's a great thing, which means no surprise.
It's nothing to report. We are doing great. We watched
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our h G t V. You know what I'm saying.
We we you know, grilled chicken. You know we do
our dancing on Sundays. Yeah, we just do old watch
Nigga ship. We should be chilling.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
That's all you can ask for. Gabby is really laughing
anything any happenings are you cool?
Speaker 6 (03:52):
It's like everything is opposite with now.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I'm good, okay, great in your teeth though, this is
a smile.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
No, this is real because because gats here, so I'm excited.
We've been trying to get here for.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yes, Boss Bill, everything's okay.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yeah, I'm still breathing, not in jail, got all my teeth.
You know, my money is straight okay? And Tucker Steve,
how's the network. We're thriving, bro?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, any any developments.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Are uh, We're thriving. Okay. Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Today our guest is activists author. Yeah, I gotta start.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
With activists first alphabetical order.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, wait what alphabet is the activist? She's author a yeah?
Or is that the is that the new ghetto or
he got like.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Order?
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Of all her professions, you skipt alligator high school long ago. Okay,
anyway we have most importantly, she's a good friend and
uh one of my favorite people ever. Please welcome from
Omahabraska Gabrielle Union.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, Bang bang.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Mary Kang gang listen.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I just want to say, man, the scene, Okay, I
before I forget it's been a long day.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Look the scene. Because my wife, she watched the show.
I didn't watch the show.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Was not me, but she does.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
She got me in. She pulled me in, like because
I be on the college and I'm like, what is
this and I'm looking and then by like the end
of the show, I'm.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Like, oh ship, you know what I mean. It pulled
me in. It was it was so it was I
was enthralled.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So the scene where the dad please forgive me for
miss up the characters where the.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Dad kicks the mom kicks sure Gaby at the house.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
When Nikka yeah yeah, he favored like, oh no this
show she you're about to go.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I Dan you want to.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
I had, I really wanted to.
Speaker 8 (06:06):
I thought to make sure that whoever was going to
break up Shaft and should.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Was worth it. And we fought to get the.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Hand who else that was a wonderful cast.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
Oh yeah, he and he wanted to do like the
whole operation. He was the oldest of our senior actors.
And he was like, no, well Billy d Williams. Williams
ran what he was unavailable but no, but the Hammer
wanted to do it topless like he and wardrobe was.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Like no, no, how about a shirt and.
Speaker 8 (06:42):
He's like, fuck you no, see these nipples.
Speaker 9 (06:51):
It was hammer tat we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, when I when I was watching it, Okay, so
I like the show.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I do. I do like that. I want to speak clear.
I do like the show. My wife that got me
finished to our movie.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
I'm talking about them.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Here's the thing. Now, when I saw that exact scene,
the way she kind of walked out the door, I
hit you up and I was like, is it is
it wrong for me to say I kind of maybe
crush on.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Crushes? And I said, you were not the first person to.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
Tell me that's falling.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Oh, she has a very active life. I believe she
believes active.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
Her on social media, she's she will take you from
the club to the swap mate.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
She is, Yes, she must be like Vanessa Bell Calloway tribe, right,
like that seems like I'm a little older old but
she's slopping.
Speaker 8 (07:44):
Seventy two or three. But she's she's an active senior.
She's like they go to the club. Like she wears
like all leather outfits. Y. Yeah, she does inspirational workout videos.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Listen, we all have everything.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Sugar and he dick picks.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Is she single?
Speaker 8 (08:08):
I do not think so. But she does not post
her too. Yeah, I wonder if they have arguments.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
You are posting me on m c M.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Like what she's doing what the young people call staying
low and buildings ride.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And shot the ground.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Damn right?
Speaker 7 (08:28):
How is she?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
You look at her in his yellow dress po po.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Wow, that would be a New York and Company dress.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
What she's a supporter?
Speaker 7 (08:40):
She is a supporter.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Dat need to go to New York Company.
Speaker 8 (08:42):
I know you was doing it like this jumpsuit as
well from the latest collection.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
I can't.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
How many job as per my prenup A lot?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yes, I love it, I love.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I love it. I got it.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
We all start at the beginning. We'd be doing Boss.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
We going go in.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
I didn't know he was going in on the Mary
Jane because I was gonna Okay, so because you were, so,
can we start at the beginnings of Mary Jane and
maybe just move around? So the casting process, because we
were talking about it already, you were I know you're
all in correct, like from the inception, not from the inception.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
Season three is when I became an executive producer, so
I had more say so. So the first couple of seasons, no,
I would you would show up to work and.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Be like, oh, you're here today? So this post this
is post Omari, which can we just say?
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:43):
So I wish I had to I could take credit
for Amary, but I cannot.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
Yeah, that was that was mar and Salem.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
But Elie Marris Chestnut, who we will see in the
series finale.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
More.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Oh, there's more.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I have to make it sad with series finale and.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
The series finale, how many okay, how many episodes are
you doing for the final season?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Don't give me this, it's.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
A series finale film. So we started off the show
with a movie. Yeah, two hour movie and we're ending
the show with a two hour movie.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
Yeah, I'm The last episode was Michael Eely being like
fucking up and then you being like I want oh,
so it's more okay.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
And then I wanted just to, you know, make it
a little saucy. So I was like, mo, you come,
will you come work with us for a little bit?
Speaker 7 (10:32):
And he was kind enough to agree.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Decisionsses you just know walking out.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
No.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
I mean, if if it was up to us, we
would have done more. But you know, things things have
changed a bit of always do a network things.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I was just.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
Oh, I didn't sign in DA.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
They had to make room for what episodes of Rebel.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Misunion did not signd noting for Cosby, So wait says
you didn't. Was there a problem with this storyline? Was
that the real issue? Because it's like so many issues.
Rumors about why there was the whole suing would be.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
You can't sue for a storyline.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
It was like a lot of different things like, well,
she wants more control, she wants more controlled of creative.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
How much more control can you have than being executive producer?
Rumors I don't read blogs, so I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Neither I only know like headlines what I see for No,
and I thought it was super clear.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
Why dude, I don't know how it could have been misinterpreted.
Speaker 8 (11:36):
No, we made it a financial agreement, and a lot
of what a lot of networks will do is they
will try to combine seasons. So if you make it,
say you get a raise from seasons three to four
and four to five. The way a lot of networks
will save money is by combining have a super size six. Yeah,
(11:58):
So when they do that, everybody loses money. Well that
the cast, the crew, everyone loses money that way. So
until someone takes a stand like I did legally and
say no, we had a you know, we had a
legal agreement each episode each season was going to be
no more than thirteen, no less than eight, and you
can't do that. You have to pay me as individual seasons,
(12:19):
including my races. So I just sued them to get
them to do what they said, what they agreed to.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
But that was it.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Everything else, and that was that what happened with the show,
because I mean, the ratings were good from what I understood,
I mean, is that actually why they stopped the show?
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Well, you know, corporate is corporate. They wanted a certain
amount of it did become an expensive show, I mean
for for b ET and I guess they wanted.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
More of a return. I guess. Uh so that was
that was that.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
But these same people that you negotiated with coming in,
are they the same people.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
That No, No, there's been some regimes since yeah, since
we first.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Show like that as well to a regime.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
So so yeah, there's some people who made promises and
then by the time those promises were it's time to
pay the piper, it was like, oh no, bitch, no,
So this twenty episode season four, come on?
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Now?
Speaker 6 (13:17):
So how does that work with your relationship with like
because you were the BET Honors person as well, like
you were, so how does that work? Like you do
keep it separate? I can't remember if you stopped after that?
Speaker 8 (13:26):
It all stopped just because I'm not a host, So
I'm like, I'm an actor, So you know, why am
I taking a job from somebody who wants to be
a host or who needs another job. I don't need
all the checks, I mean, as per the prenup, I don't,
So I just kind of thought it was time for somebody.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Else to have a shot at it.
Speaker 8 (13:43):
It was a great pig and a great paying gig,
and yeah, like it's let somebody else have a shot. Yeah,
I mean, but we would have continued on. Everyone in
the cast wanted to come back. Everyone loved the show,
We loved the show runner, we loved being in Atlanta.
It was not a tough show to do. We would
shoot two episodes at a time, so it was tough
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to shoot. But we like the people, we like the storyline.
So yeah, no, I definitely didn't have any problem with
the story. You know, the storyline that and I had
a ton of power, so and I was paid very well.
I can't can complain about that, but I do complain
with my money. Gets funny. I don't mess with anybody
else's money and I don't expect anybody else to fuck
with mine.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
So that's why I own my own network. We can
rebooth me and Mary Jane on the Sugar Network having
an Instagram so on Instagram live. Okay, so if you
I don't know what the arrangement is, but is it
possible that you can just put it on ice for
a little Yeah, put it on ice for a little
(14:43):
bit and then go well, I mean it's.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
Been it's been what almost a year and a half, no,
maybe a year since we last aired our last episode,
and it's going to be another They're not going to
even air the movie until twenty nineteen, and we've been
done with the movie since February. It's just it's that's
a long time for an audience to wait and try
to stick with it. And then everyone else had got jobs,
(15:05):
and that was the other thing, Like when you when
you yeah, when you commit to pick up a show,
that means you can't the other the cast can't do
other things. But they're also not actually getting paid to
be on hold and not be able to do other things.
So I'm again, I don't mess with anybody's money. And
if we're not going to come back in a timely fashion,
then I'm not also not going to hold you hostage
(15:25):
for a Maybe that's not fair.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Speaking of that. The sister that plays your younger sister,
I was so I was so happy to see her,
yeah on the show on showtime.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Yeah she's on Smell. Yes, Yeah, she's on Smell. She's
killing it.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
She did, she does.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
She's even more involved in this second season. Really proud
of her. She's in the campaign my New York and
Company campaign for my line. She's she's back as as
a as a part of the Altogether Now campaign.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
So well, everyone loves her.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
She's dope in her storyline. I know a lot of
people like a lot of a lot of women related
to her.
Speaker 8 (15:56):
Storyline, and I think people will be interesting to see
how it resolves. Yeah, I feel like she's about to
be just an entrepreneur whin I.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Just you'll have to tune in to see in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Well, anything in the movie with any past loves from
this seasons before pop up?
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Well no, well you know what here I can tell
you because we wanted Omari to come back, but he's
filming Power.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Yeah, he was filming Power. Yeah, we were trying to
get him to come back.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
But I just feel like you spoiled it for me,
Like I at least wanted to.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
You wanted to, You wanted to think that he may
be coming, that he might be back. But then it's
also like and do what And she's had a lot
of past loves that were dope, Like I mean maybe
Gary Dr Daniel step back on the scene.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
No, he stop talking about what's a nice girl? From
moment on Nebraska doing Actually, you're I know a few
actresses from Oman Nebraska.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
There are a few.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
You're No, You're in the most successful.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
You're the one that we can watch in front of
our You're the no, no, the plenty there.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
Like such a graze, but I just not. I just
I was like, I know where porn stars are from,
and such a gray from.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Every black foreign actress that I personally know. It comes
from Omaha. Who I'm not naming names right now.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
All we can google.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
I mean, we had this conversation during the Heather hundred episode,
so go back and this.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Other hunter is not from am I was, okay, well
name the one who.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Name people. The man was.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Like the old school s. Wait, hold on, I have
Shirley shut up.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Just to class this up, this moment up. Kathy Hughes
is also from oh Well.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
Kathy Hughes is a family friend for my mom. Was
just at the big ceremony to honor Kathy. Her and
my mom were raised together by my grandmother, her, my godmother.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Best friends.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
What was what was your household like.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Oh h in Omaha or when we moved to the
bar area, because.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Also a lot of family Omaha as well.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Oh no, she's from She's from Iowa.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
He's from Iowa.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
Very Midwestern, but we have one of the largest black
families in the state of Nebraska and one of the
largest in the Midwest. Last year we had our hundredth
annual family reunion. We have the dozens of cousins Bryant
Fisher Family Reunion.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
The T shirts.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Every family, every branch has its own T shirt. So
there's like a T shirt wars to see who's got
the flyest T shirts the best material. But we literally
have thousands of people in at our family reunion. We
have a we have a week's worth of activities. There's
a parade on Saturday. We got our own family drill team.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah. Yeah, oh no, it's a whole yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
No.
Speaker 8 (19:20):
So it's like it's very family oriented. You know, growing
up is you get into some trouble and people be
like you Bunny's baby, did you know that?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
They're like your nose?
Speaker 8 (19:31):
I'm like, you saw me when this Mickey's big now
and it was my nostrils that gave it away. Is
that what you're trying to tell me? So it's very
everyone knows everybody. The North side of Omaha is all blacks,
where Malcolm X is from. But everybody knows everybody, so
it's just very family oriented. We're going, uh Friday, We're
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taking the boys to Nebraska, starting in Omaha and then
going to Lincoln for the home opener. And just by chance,
I'm a massive obviously Cornhusker fan, but Nebraska Cornhuskers offered Zaire,
our oldest son, his first college scholarship. So it's just
by chance. They offered it to him last week and
we're we were going anyway.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
So is it in his top how he feels about it?
Is his first one?
Speaker 8 (20:15):
I mean, he's going into his junior year, so there
may be more. Hopefully there's a whole have a ton
of offers, but it's to me, it's special that Nebraska
was the first school that stepped up to offer him.
And so we get to go see the sea of
Red on Saturday, and so he gets to see I
have a sense of you know what, the sea of red.
So Memorial Stadium in Lincoln on football Saturday is the
(20:37):
third largest city in the state, so and everyone wears red.
So it's you walk in and it's a sea of red.
And our fans have been voted I think like every
year for the past, however, many years as the kindest fans.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
We're the kindest opposit.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Santa Claus.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
No, no, okay, every one's very nice.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
See it's Nebraska.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
It's just nice.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
I mean I go back now. We go to you know,
like lounges and packing packing store. I don't know if
you guys have packing stores. Got a package pack of stores. Yeah,
So you go sit in the parking lot of the
package store and drink and then you go across to
the lounge that is usually across from the pack of store,
and you it's like generational partying. So you might be
(21:26):
in there with your grandparents all the way down to
you know, your youngest cousins, and everybody just hangs together
and listens to the Bobby Boot plantat Look.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yes, cold records.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
You gotta remember, like all those all those acts from
Kansas City, Chicago. We were on that circuit and we
had to stop in Omaha to play to play.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Well it's closed now, but the theater in Omaha.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I've only been there once, but there's really great record
shops there.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
So in downtown.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Midwest is an untapped resource.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
They got good food there.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I never nobody talk about the food and oh my,
I just ran I like to eat.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
I was just, I mean, well, our family cooks, yeah,
but I mean in terms of like restaurant like Famous
Philly has.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
A cheese steak and this place has a dad. I
was like, we've got.
Speaker 8 (22:18):
Steaks, yeah, wow, yeah, your Godfathers and Valentino's pizza.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Wouldn't you make the move to La was.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
A college or to the Bay to My parents got
transferred at eight and they're both in telecommunication. So my
mom worked at pac Bell, my dad worked at AT
and T. So my dad got transferred and my mom's
job just transferred her. But my parents would send me
back just I'm the middle of three girls. I don't
know how they made these decisions, but they sent me
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back to Omaha for three months, you know, every summer started, summer,
picked me up at the end every summer. So out
of all of us, I'm the one who has the
most connection still to Nebraska helped.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
What's the distance of the younger.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
And there's four years between me and my older sister
and then seven years between me and my little sister.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
So she was a mistake.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
She's clearly a mistake.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Make it.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I came seven years later after my yeah, that sounds
about right, as long as you know, I've got my
mom to ad minute. Yeah, I was like, come on,
like this still make no how is the devilcots baby?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Nobody's supposed to be here.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
So it was acting your uh, your initial goal in life.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
What did you no, that's it's not I never looked
at it as a real profession.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
It's like something.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Now.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
It's like in the back of my mind, I always
feel like I still need to know how to do
Excel and like spreadsheets.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Wasn't a sports person or no.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
No, no.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
I wanted to be a lawyer like my older sister.
I wanted to be, you know, a defense at and
fight for the underdog. We have some a number of
family members in the criminal justice system without great representation,
so I kind of grew up feeling like you had
to sort of, I don't know, be a part of
fighting the man, you know, and defending defending the defenseless,
(24:23):
the voiceless. And but that came from watching Perry Mason.
So it wasn't like my sister was a big Perry
Mason law an LA law fan, and so she was
sort of obsessed with being a lawyer. She's not a lawyer,
but neither one of us turned to law, but that
was sort of the plan. I was studying for the
LSATs when I got an internship at a modeling agency,
(24:44):
and then when that ended, they were like, would you
ever want to be one of like our girls?
Speaker 6 (24:49):
I was like, well, how much?
Speaker 8 (24:50):
How much is it you know pay? Because I was
working at the bookstore. I was a book by back
supervisor at u c l A.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Number Management.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I liked to that money from them buy back books.
It's worth forty dollars, the original Games.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Sixty about to give you four months and then sales
ship for four years.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, that was the same.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
I was the person where people were like, let me
talk to your manager.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
There.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, when did you graduate U.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
C l A ninety six? In nineteen ninety six? And
what is crazy?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
So wait, was were you there at that the Well,
our friend Tina Farris, one of my managers, y'all were
there at the same time at the same time.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
She was cooler than I.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
I was the book buy back supervisor and she was cooler.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
She was not a UCL okay, no, okay, no, I
was you know, even like supervising, putting us stamps on
like books, you.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
Know, living in North Hollywood, didn't even live in Westwood.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
DJ quick.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
No, I uh know.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
When I lived with like my ex boyfriend in North
Hollywood and no.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Is that was where were you listening to at that time? Gain,
I'm just curious.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
I was listening to quick No and a lot of
I mean mhmm at that time. It was because I
went from n tow ba to easy E a lot
of too short wrapping. Yeah, what else?
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Monica?
Speaker 8 (26:30):
I love Monica, love Brandy. I'm just wanting to think
of at that time, what else was.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The status quo of R and B. You know that
sort of thing like bottom hip hop actually named.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Monica pretty much, you know the status quo? So how
did you officially jump in the pool of acting?
Speaker 8 (26:57):
So when my internship ended and they asked if I
wanted to be presented by them, and they said I
could make one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Dollars a day minus twenty percent, I.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
Was like shit, I was making six dollars and sixteen
cents an hour after three raises at the bookstore. So
I was like, well, I'm not going to give up
my study gig, but if you think I could get
work as a model, I guess. And then the first
day they sent me out on a go see. I
booked the first thing for teen magazine. It was all
the top fashion magazines at the time, Teen all about you, sassy.
(27:28):
I don't know if you guys are familiar with that
I've seen, so I would be their editorial model. So
it would be like going through a rough breakup, twelve steps.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
To get you back on track. And I'm like, with
the word.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
That was my modeling those like on TV there, I
was like make love to the camera.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
Like no, it was literally like your boyfriend just broke
up with you, or you know how to talk to
your gun and collegist.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
And I'm like, it was model full of people because
when I photos, I hate, like my publicist watches their
arms are folded. Everyone has these looks on them and it's.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Hard to be.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
Not.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
At that time, it was like the cheesiest ship.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
Like my biggest gig was the it was the memorial
dape insert for Montgomery Wards Wow. And it was a
big fucking deal because we shot it out and on
them on a Santa Monica pre and I had to
ride a skateboard and and I had to like have
these glasses like, you know, dangling from my teeth, and
(28:32):
you know, it was a whole thing. But I was like,
I made a bitch.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Why do I go to U C l A.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
Like I used to go out on on go sees
for music videos. I never got chosen, like oh there's
always what didn't I audition for California Love video with
like five hundred of my closest friends and you had
to come. They always would always say come body conscious,
which basically means come like with your nipples out and
(29:01):
be prepared to move. I'm sorry, be prepared to move.
Come body conscious and be prepared to move. So I
come with my book at my modeling book with like
your boyfriend broke up with the picture and then like
my big you know, piece of me like on the skateboard,
you know, and I'm like here, Tupac, tell me what
you think. Luckily, he was actually really really sweet and
(29:22):
he took the time to look through my bullshit ass
book and then.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
He actually chose again not me.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
He was kind enough during the audition process to like
look through my book like that you hand them your
book and then they thumb through it or whatever and then.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
They put on you.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I don't know who.
Speaker 8 (29:38):
I don't know Whoupa, but he was in the He
was dead center, along with like his fifty cousins. And
then and everyone's just watching you dance, and I look
like a cricket having a seizure. I was probably like
fifteen pounds lighter, like just all elbow was the knobby
(30:00):
me And so I'm doing my sexy dance which just
was not.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Sucking California video.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
It was so bad. And I drove home in my
Miata like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Was killing it. Yeah, me and Terry and Terry Vaughn had.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
That was the drug girlfriend.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Because she had a moment for Terry Vaughn. Another one
who's black. Don't crack.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
She's she's gorgeous. We've been friends for so long. She's
also from the band. She's from Hunter's Point.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
You can hear it. You can hear her. Accid called
the show.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
So no, so okay, So didn't get the California Love
video didn't get Oh, I was pinned. So this means
I was very close to a three for a three
T video.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
You obviously not.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I was pinned.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
I started spending that chuck at contemple casual.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Doesn't remember three three They were Tito Jackson's three sons.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Yes, they had a lifetime reality show about a year
or two ago.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
They did know. They had that one jam Anything for You? Also, Michael,
they did why that was?
Speaker 6 (31:27):
It was?
Speaker 7 (31:27):
That was the song they had that.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
It was like one you know Michael Jackson video.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Oh no, well, well, ishh. I was pinned.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
That one of them.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
They Kim Kim at the time she was They went.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
To prom Kim Kim car card dash. Okay, he loved
your hesitation. I didn't know. I know, Okay, I love that.
The first one you think of when you hear Kim
thinking Kim Fields. I'm like, nig wasn't.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Women That's right, the fucking Field.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, I was. Yeh the kid. That's the kid I
acknowledged first. She's still the primary studio. Yeah, tot.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
But no.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
So when I was desperately wanting to be a video vixen,
I would no one would choose me. I was no
one's idea of a video vixen. But then when I
started booking more jobs, and then then people start coming
out of the world work. So the first major job
I did was from Mark Nelson fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yo, it was in fifteen minutes.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Oh god, the orgasm grow what I had an orgasm
button on my back.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
I was like a robot, like a sex robot kind
of thing.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
The treatment was wild video.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
It was I had ffteen minutes and going to get
up in it, just come and break. He had pretty
much Billy Wood Driff directed it. Yes, they did all
start the relationship.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Didn't like that in your neck?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
How do you know that?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Because I knew I had Listen, man, this was beating beat.
Look bro this. I did not have the.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Chocolate Mood album because funck that. But listen. That was
the butter Loove era of all. Yes, that was when
all those things had that same heat, like it was Butterlove.
And then fifteen minutes and I Belong to You by Wrong.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
It was like, all O, my god, it was all
those records scene.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
This is earth, right, this happened on Earth? What year
was this ninety eight? Like because minutes it was like
ninety you know what?
Speaker 7 (33:50):
It was the same day we shot the video.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
The same day the JFK Junior died whatever the plane
the plane yeah, whatever day that was was the day
we shot that fifteen minutes video.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Man?
Speaker 7 (34:03):
But no, don't stop there, don't stop there, Let's go.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Yeah, it was an R and B princess. Y'all didn't know.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
I did the Uncle Sam video.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Wait wait did I go?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
That was? See You Again?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Is that the one?
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (34:20):
So I start off as a kid and I'm a
dancer and then like it's like we fall in love
as kids and then like and then like I.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Come back as an adult person and we're in life.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
You drank some milk and then you forget the treatment.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
But that was directed by Darren Darren Grant. Darren Grant
who also directed me in a dark and lovely commercial.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Starring Usher Wow.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
Before Usher and I did She's All That Together, It's
a It's a very small world.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
I did a Montel Jordan video where I was a bride.
I did I Love My Chick. I did Paradise Paradise
neo video and Independent well.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Yeah, and then it just wasn't Independent.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
I was like yeah independent, yeah, wow, No, one's just
in a while though, since I got a little long
in the.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Tooth, I mean, would you still do it? If somebody?
I mean, I'm sure people would they knew you were open?
I mean for the right artist.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
I yeah, but who is that? Who is the right
and who who would you.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Come back for? Who would you come back the video?
Do a video for that?
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Wouldn't care one way or another.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
I would.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
I would listen. Bruno Mars is a sexy little thing.
It is a sexy little thing. Him and those band,
the band we had a we had a legendary dance
off at It was at an Atlantic Records party at
the Chateau and it was like me Serena Williams, A J.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Johnson from having.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
And we we battled Bruno and his band members.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Wow, I believe one.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
It's like literally recreated the dance battle and that's fucking dope.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
And that was my time in R and B.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
We thank you for your sam salts. I'm not saying
all tonight, it's all tonight. Yeah, your fifteen minutes wouldn't
have been saying without your contributions, Gabby, thank you.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
I would I.
Speaker 8 (36:26):
Would still like I like whenever I go see new
Edition and they'll be like, yeah, will you come on stage?
I'm like, no, yes, off, Ralph and Johnny are coming
back and all the day are.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
You hovering.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
After Well, I mean by that time you were also
doing television, TV and movies and stuff as well.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Like what were you doing?
Speaker 8 (36:53):
I started off with Saved by the Bell, the New Class.
I actually did that twice. They were like, no one's
gonna remember, like the first time I was Mistletoe Girl
number two to the first time I went on the
show was total new new cast, the newcast, but mister
Belding and Screech were still on.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
What was the what was the Hollywood shuffle like in
ninety nine two thousand?
Speaker 6 (37:14):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (37:15):
Like you Well, for us, like we used to see
the same five six girls in every for every role,
it'd be me, Melinda Williams, Bianca laws In Sona, Zoe Saldana,
Carrie came a little bit later after say the Last Dance.
But yeah, we would just be in the same rooms,
(37:37):
you know, all Reagan Gomez. We would just see the
same people and then people would get picked off get
a show, and then the group would ebb and flow
depending on who was working. But we've all kind of
just stayed working, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
So is it a matter of hang? I mean, was
it were you click? Is you're like, oh, how you
don't or was it.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
Well, like we have you know, like we have our
crew that we hang out with, so like me, Sonah,
Regina King, King joins us on occasion haul you know,
Essen Sadkins, Robin Lee, So we have our own sort
of crew. But everyone's cool. I mean at this stage,
it's like whatever. Back in the day, it could be
a little caddy at times, just because you have this
(38:19):
idea there's only so much work.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
It's only one black girl in that white girl, white comedy,
romantic comedy.
Speaker 8 (38:25):
Except we came up in that time of WB and
upn what there was a lot of opportunity, So that
wasn't really our shit, Like everyone had an opportunity to
kind of shine, and every pilot season there were more.
So it was just a fucked up attitude to have
just on some general.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
You a brave shit on that because you've spoken about
that for a while.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
I mean I talk about it.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
I try to talk about it as often as I
can because we kind of like to think of it.
I think of it as young girl shit when it's oh,
motherfucker shit too, like men and women, this idea that
there's only so much I've got a horde at all,
I've got to try to dim your life with the
idea that somehow the sun is going to shine.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Than abundance. Yeah, like you got a hold onto something.
Speaker 8 (39:07):
When there's enough, favorite, there's enough for everybody. Everybody's bills
are paid, you know.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
I think the first time I saw you speak on
that was that the special, the Oprah Special with the
General the women from different generations of Black Hollywood were
like Alfreed and all them, and there was like a
whole crying moment for everybody that was watching because you
It was like an honest moment because most of us
can admit, yeah, I was a bitch, but you know
what I learned from that, and I ain't doing that shit,
no mo.
Speaker 8 (39:30):
Yeah, no, I mean And because it started with the
Essence uh, the Essence Awards, where I got the Fell
the Fierce and Fearless Award, and I was like, I
don't want to get up there and just say a
bunch of randomized cliches shit in this room of women
that I've known for twenty years. I want to be honest.
At this point, what the fuck do I have to lose.
I've reached the bottom. I've gone from it girl to
(39:52):
shit girl. So many times it's like whatever, I want
to try to say something actually fierce and fearless. And
I just got up there and I told the truth.
You were very specific like in this, you know, and
it's like, if you're not going to tell the truth,
what the fuck is a point? And if I haven't
survived some shit and come out the other side, and
I can't say, Okay, for everyone who's been through this,
(40:14):
this is how you get to the other side. This
is how I healed, this is how I change, this
is how I evolved, This is how you can too.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
It's just we don't generally do that.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
And what was that? What was what were you referring?
Just for people so well.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
I mean I touched upon a number of things and
that's piece.
Speaker 8 (40:30):
But the thing that sort of caught a lot of
people's attention was I was like, you know, I basically
wished ill on a lot of people, thinking that it
was somehow going to make my light shine brighter. You know,
it's it's really very crabs in a barrel type of
mentality some girls, some people call it mean girl mentality,
(40:50):
except mean girls become mean women, you know, mean boys
become mean menu and it affects every Yeah, it affects
every you know, industry and every relationship, every city, every town.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
It's that same ship.
Speaker 8 (41:03):
There's only so much so I got to try to
tear you down in the hopes of building myself up.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
And that's just bullshit. Well it was.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
It was a year I got divorced, my show got canceled,
and some weird random ship racist should happened at this
like within this same like two week span, and I
was literally under my bed. I had crawled under my
bed and my dog, Babba God rest is soul, Bubba
like looked under the bed like, bitches, this is what
(41:32):
we're doing.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
And you know, sometimes you.
Speaker 7 (41:35):
Just got to see yourself reflected.
Speaker 8 (41:36):
And I mean, at this point it was some things
else my dog's eyes, and I was like, damn it,
I forget. I'm this is this might be my breaking boy,
this might be rock bottom that the dog is like fuck.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
And so I called A J.
Speaker 8 (41:49):
Johnson and she was my life coach and trainer and
she got me all the way together and the first
session she said, let's put together your happy list. And
I was like, and I'm you know, I'm going through
this divorce. It's public it's you know, you feel like
a failure, like everything that comes with public failure. And
(42:10):
I'm and she we're boxing, so I'm trying to hit
the heavyweight bag and she's like, tell me, tell me
three things that you that that are on your happy list,
and I'm like, I couldn't think of My mind goes blank.
I couldn't think of anything that actually made me happy.
So finally I was.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
Like, real butter.
Speaker 8 (42:30):
I said, real butter, ground beef and imitation crab and
that's what she said. And she said, bitch, the real
thing isn't even what makes you happy. Come on, and
she said, no, wonder you're getting divorced. You don't know
what makes you happy. How the fuck do you think
someone else is going to know how to make you happy?
And I was like, you know, as Oprah says, she
(42:52):
has like aha moments, I have moments, and that's what
got me started on the path to like different, Like
I know, I don't want that, so it can only
go up at the fucking bottom, Like I don't have ship,
I have no pride, I have no ego. I just
I just don't want this. I don't want to feel
like this. I don't I don't want to move like this,
(43:13):
so I haven't.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
I'm cool with butter though it's laundering, it's still on
my happiness.
Speaker 7 (43:20):
I like imitation crab.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
It's affordable.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I'm down with imitation crab.
Speaker 6 (43:25):
Cali suffering ship because.
Speaker 8 (43:28):
Now you're d m v oh, well, you guys have
access to like the world's best crab.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
So I understand. But I understand you know, don't you
live in I do. That's why I'm suffering over this
bitch in this claw meat, this imitation crab.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well, y'all got crustaceans out of here.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
Not the oysters. Oh, I mean they say it does it?
But I can't get to the.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Pass in terms of like yeah.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
Yet sorry, okay, let me do uh the slurping of that?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
So what reminds you of anyway? I was like, what
the where is this going?
Speaker 8 (44:12):
I mean, we're having a whole conversation and I don't,
like I wanted to know what the what the hurdle was?
Ye know, I can just the slurb It's just the block. Okay,
So you want to tell honest, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
I'm not really sure with that. On my I have
a bad gag reflects and anything that's of that texture
and that consistency that hits my throat. It makes me
a little you know what I'm saying. So so I'm
more of a before it gets there, you know what
I'm saying, gonna.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
You must have a sound. You know what, I totally
forgot about other themes? Thank you? Like you just reminds me.
Speaker 6 (44:54):
She's also sweating now because the kind of talk makes her.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
You're a spitter.
Speaker 6 (45:03):
I was being poetic.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Should try Okay, So Gabby, I know you're probably gonna
instantly regret this, but no, no, no, So talk about
like just when you're going through your your divorce from
your was that your first marriage?
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Okay, what what did you learn and going through your divorce?
Hm hmm, Like what do you think? Well, first off,
what do you think led to the divorce?
Speaker 7 (45:34):
Self esteem?
Speaker 8 (45:35):
Yeah, Like even looking at him as a reasonable option
was some O bullshit. Like if I was in a
better place, I would have said, oh, you were fun
to hang out with and drink with in Jacksonville, you know,
one week and that was fun and.
Speaker 6 (45:49):
That's where it should stay.
Speaker 8 (45:51):
But because he showed interest and I had, you know,
my self worth was quite low and I defined being
worthwhile and being validated by being chosen.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
I was like, this is totally reasonable, this, this will work.
Speaker 8 (46:06):
And so, you know, a few months after I met
him and he proposed it felt reasonable, like we'd never
spent more than a weekend together, and it he asked,
and this idea. You know, when you're in your twenties,
you have this idea of by the time I'm twenty six,
I'm going to be married and I'm gonna have a kid,
and I'm going to do this, this and this. You
(46:26):
have all these ideas and shit. And so I was
at that age where all my friends from home were
getting married, and I felt like he asked, and you
know this, who else is going to love me?
Speaker 6 (46:36):
Which your mom will said.
Speaker 8 (46:38):
You know what, I'm My parents are one of those
people that are like, I raised you with common sense.
If you choose not to use it, that is on you.
Don't ask us for shit.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Wow. So they didn't give you a read on him
either way, Like they didn't.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
My dad is like, if he drinks dark liquor, he's
okay by me.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Oh no, yeah, were you.
Speaker 8 (47:01):
The first time? I was twenty eight, twenty second time,
forty one?
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (47:08):
Give me praise. Okay, hope, I'm sorry when I get it.
When I get it, wherever it comes, I take it.
Thank you. Yeah, shut up.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
You don't know my pain. I really do. Trust me.
You on this couch every week listening audience knows your pain. Yes,
we really know it.
Speaker 6 (47:24):
Back again.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Now you're in l A.
Speaker 6 (47:27):
You know I got something good. We're gonna see what happened? O.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah, yeah, you booed up now thanks to lement.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
Hey buddo.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
So l ma Yeah the escorts service. Yeah. I was like.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
Some time that.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Song that was big.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
I don't know that was like after Night.
Speaker 8 (47:52):
Only because it was an option on my I G
story if I wanted to, and I was like.
Speaker 7 (47:57):
Oh, what's boot up? Oh I've heard that on the radio.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
I'm spunning DJ. I just didn't care who's sang it.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Down?
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Did you when you were going through after after your
divorce whatever? Like, how long did it take for you
to try to re enter another relationship?
Speaker 6 (48:16):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (48:16):
So full disclosure, and because I talk about it in
my book, perhaps started before.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
A relationship ended officially.
Speaker 7 (48:27):
You like to have a solid plan before I existed.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
I respected. No one goes shopping for shoes with bare feet.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
I like that, and I will use that.
Speaker 7 (48:40):
I will not credit you.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, that would be so mad.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
He missed you saying that that would be.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
One for your book for my coffee.
Speaker 6 (48:50):
I was about to do a whole divorce exchange because
he's married again.
Speaker 7 (48:55):
Are you number two?
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Number two?
Speaker 7 (48:56):
Number two?
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I'm thirty nine.
Speaker 6 (48:59):
That first one was you.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I No, I didn't.
Speaker 7 (49:01):
You didn't.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
So my shit was like I was twenty, you were twenty.
I was twenty six and so and the thing it
really resonated with me when you said, you.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Know, you're looking at your people back home whatever.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
And it wasn't until I got much older that I realized,
like how fucked up that is to do, because like so,
I mean when I grew up at you know, I
grew up in a relatively small town. You know, it's
and I'm in the South, and in the South, like
we get started early. Like I got a homeboy right now,
like we both same age, and his kid is like
about to go to college, like or it's actually like
in college these niggas like in his twenties and shit,
(49:33):
and I'm thirty nine, you know what I mean. So
back when we were coming up, you were a success
story if you made it out of high school without
getting pregnant, Like I was in high school with girls
that you know, seven periods, so it's like, okay, well
I gotta go pick up my baby from the babysitter.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Like it was real like that.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
So when you look at it from then, it's like,
oh damn, twenty six or twenty seven or twenty eight
feels a lot older. And what it really is when
you're judging it against niggas that had babies at sixteen,
you know what I'm saying. But it's not until you
grow older and you go out and you actually see
ways of life. And like I remember time I came
out to the West Coast and I would meet chicks
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and they be like yeah, so I was like, I'm
twenty three, how do you I'm thirty, and you know,
just so I'm gonna have kids one day, I was like.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
One day, like, bitch, my time, my kid's gonna be
out of the house.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
What your winners?
Speaker 2 (50:24):
One day? One day is today, some day is tonight.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
I love the same voice of yours, but it's like,
but you know, but you didn't, but I really didn't.
So when you say like, yeah, I really didn't know.
I just thought like by twenty six, again comparing it
to what we was seeing at the crib. By twenty six,
it's like, yeah, you get married, you have a kid,
fuck it. You know what I'm saying, because I had
(50:48):
my first son was twenty, I was twenty one, twenty,
I was in I was still in college, and you know, so, yeah,
I know what. I really didn't know. I didn't know
until it was afterwards and I was like, oh damn,
I shouldn't have did that.
Speaker 7 (50:59):
You know what I knew.
Speaker 8 (51:01):
So he had just proposed I had a very big
audition for Dawson's Creek up in North Carolina, Yimington.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
That's like two hours from my house.
Speaker 7 (51:12):
So I flew from Jacksonville.
Speaker 8 (51:13):
He was playing for the Jaguars, So I flew from
Jacksonville to Wilmington. Killed it didn't get it. Kind of
like being pinned for.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Listeners.
Speaker 9 (51:25):
Being pinned in my video days.
Speaker 8 (51:30):
They would put you know, they would check your avails
and they would pin you. Does not mean you got
an offer. That just means they're very interested in you.
I thought it was that meant offer. It just means
we're very interested it was like, it's a solid chance
you'll get this job or.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Not decided to take it.
Speaker 8 (51:50):
Yeah, if this was a spades hands.
Speaker 6 (51:59):
I'd be in queen.
Speaker 7 (52:04):
It's nice. Yeah, we have a spades tournament.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Have you lost a friendship or two?
Speaker 6 (52:10):
Over? My dad did not talk to me.
Speaker 8 (52:12):
So my dad was my partner before my husband, and
my dad.
Speaker 7 (52:17):
Likes to drink like our family.
Speaker 8 (52:19):
I come from a family of drinkers, so we drink
during most you know, social settings, and my dad had
it kind of got away from a little bit.
Speaker 7 (52:27):
The crown got a lot away from.
Speaker 8 (52:28):
Him, and he was he was talking and he wasn't
paying attention right, and he cut me. And I said
because I too had been drinking a little And I said, nigga, did.
Speaker 6 (52:43):
You cut me?
Speaker 7 (52:49):
And he pushed the table, like his chair out from
the table. He's like.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
How old?
Speaker 7 (52:57):
This was like a definitely grown.
Speaker 8 (53:03):
And he took me outside and he said, I don't
know who the fuck you think you are? Like he
he it was such a like an old nigga cuss out.
Speaker 6 (53:13):
Like you wish he wouldn't hit you because.
Speaker 7 (53:18):
Yeah, I was like.
Speaker 8 (53:20):
Yeah, no, but it's it's nice. So cut to Thanksgiving,
it was the first time me and d were playing.
We were partners. We were playing against my my dad
and one of my one of my friends and my
little sister. Fucking single Ladies comes on and my little
sister had had some lemon cello. Definitely, do not recommend
lemon cello at the holidays, thank you.
Speaker 6 (53:44):
I always use a reference. No one ever knows what
I'm talking about. O.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah, talking about.
Speaker 8 (53:47):
Danny DeVito went on the View after drinking a lot
of lemon cello.
Speaker 7 (53:51):
But George Clooney wasn't it the night before and he.
Speaker 8 (53:54):
Was still drunk the next day on the View and
it was it's genius, It's you can YouTube solid here.
So my little sister is hammered off at Limonicello and
she starts doing the single Ladies dance, but you know
the part where you go kind of down. She had
on a very low cut top, and my sister is very,
very very well endowed, and it was just titty's everywhere,
(54:17):
and everyone, like all the guys kind of started crowding around,
and my dad was like he kind of was looking
and then he hands my husband.
Speaker 7 (54:26):
His cards and he was like, I'll be back.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (54:35):
And that was a wrap on fucking Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (54:39):
He took her outside. All I heard was my little
you don't know me dad.
Speaker 6 (54:45):
I was like, obviously, obviously not.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, I would think that you are.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
I mean we often talked about, you know, game night eventually,
but then I realized that I feel like you're very
out for yes game night person, and that our friendship
might be on the line. Would yeah, we do.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
I fired people from game Night.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
I've fired employees, I've broken up with women I was
interested in.
Speaker 8 (55:16):
I don't know the game, Okay, it was just the
timing hasn't worked out.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I told you about like, yes, we had.
Speaker 7 (55:27):
Taboo League for years.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
League.
Speaker 8 (55:29):
We had league play and was guys against girls and
it was dou Lat Hill, Hill Harper, Sean Patrick, Thomas.
Speaker 7 (55:36):
Uh, they were just paper. So did a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
I know that you are, and I just don't think
they were the same. I love how you're connected. I
feel like you're the epicenter.
Speaker 6 (55:47):
Of Literally I'm a bridge for a lot of.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Your Like, yeah, you are a lot of random. You
are a nexus of Nikotrie.
Speaker 3 (55:59):
I'm changing name.
Speaker 6 (56:02):
My new I G The next.
Speaker 8 (56:08):
We had guys against girls and we the guys have
recruited Hill because he's a double ivy and blah blah
blah blah blah. So we recruited Robin Lee because she
too is it. Those were the double ivy. So we
recruited Robin Lee because she was a double ivy and
we needed people who could average eight or nine in
a taboo on a taboo round. That's how fucking serious
(56:30):
were I think, let's that sink in. Most people get four.
Speaker 6 (56:32):
We don't.
Speaker 8 (56:33):
We don't play. So what we started doing is having
taboo time. So it started with long drunken lunches that
would turn into dinners. But it was just so we
could spend time together so we would have better like
more references so for the game.
Speaker 6 (56:44):
And that's how it became friends with Robin.
Speaker 7 (56:46):
We didn't even know her.
Speaker 8 (56:47):
We just recruited her because we thought she was smart
and during these long drunken lunches to get to know
each other better. So like a perfect example, Robin would
be giving me the clue and she'd be like blank,
and the buddy man, I go echo. So that's how
good we got and we took on the ground.
Speaker 6 (57:04):
I'm sorry, I thank you, Bill.
Speaker 7 (57:06):
That was a slow clap.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
I saw the look your face.
Speaker 3 (57:11):
I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
She got mad at me if Man's Quest blamed it
to her. But okay, but you didn't. You didn't finishrselves.
When did you know? Like that? Your first one was, oh,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (57:24):
So, yes, the audition in Wilmington. So I had auditioned.
I was coming back and I had this little ring,
which it turns out.
Speaker 7 (57:31):
I had to pay for it later.
Speaker 8 (57:33):
Oh god, yeah, he was big payments on what shout
out to Reed's jewelry.
Speaker 7 (57:42):
Yeah, I had to pay that off from the doors.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (57:46):
So I came back and I was using his home
computer and do you remember I am.
Speaker 7 (57:52):
Yes, his boy, I am is him.
Speaker 8 (57:55):
He said, nigga, you still got that that uh that
Greek girl coming in this weekend.
Speaker 7 (58:00):
And this is like Thursday. I was scheduled to believe
the next day.
Speaker 8 (58:05):
And I was like, I don't think I could ever
be mistaken for a week, you know. So I'm like,
what what an say back?
Speaker 6 (58:22):
That was not coming back?
Speaker 8 (58:24):
You know, what's her name again? You know that's where
I gave my I gave myself up. So he alerted him.
So by the time he got home from practice I
had packed on my ship.
Speaker 7 (58:37):
It was all gonna be very dramatic.
Speaker 8 (58:38):
And I should have known when he literally had proposed,
you know, in a in a bucket of chicken, like
he had put my ring in.
Speaker 6 (58:53):
Kentucky, the Colonel.
Speaker 8 (58:56):
Kentucky and it was some potato wedges, and he he
had the nerve to like, you know, have like the
apartment lined in rose petals and then to the bedroom
and he was on on bended knee with a with
a with a box of KFC chicken wedges and chicken
and he had a wedge in his hand and he
was like was.
Speaker 7 (59:19):
It was? It was significant at the time. Now I
don't remember.
Speaker 3 (59:21):
I'm sure something that is up years ago.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah, was this the colonel?
Speaker 3 (59:33):
This wasn't like that old guy, right.
Speaker 6 (59:36):
He was a little darker.
Speaker 7 (59:37):
He was a lot darker.
Speaker 8 (59:39):
He used to cut the bottoms off his jeans. These
were subtle that I should have, you know, like adhere
to Yeah, because he didn't want to and he would
just cut him off and then like he'd wash them
so they would be afrayed like Jim from Huck Finn.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
Yeah that was before well it's cool now, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Because yeah, this was nine yeah, that was.
Speaker 8 (01:00:09):
And he had like bad tattoos, like bad dumb tattoos,
like he had this one with like a bulldog that
said slow yeo.
Speaker 7 (01:00:17):
Row guess how guess how role was spelled?
Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Now, the word is supposed to be roll like, but
he I take it didn't spell like our old w.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
H R.
Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Okay, did you try to gently let him know that
it might be misspelled.
Speaker 7 (01:00:44):
Or like I meant to do that? Well, I will listen.
Speaker 8 (01:00:50):
That was like that was just more of like how
I can explain these dumb ass tattoos. He had another
tattoo of black Jesus that looked exactly like Eric Beney,
so that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
You got the bad tattoos with slave capris on.
Speaker 6 (01:01:08):
So how many of these do you had before he
started calling? How many of which of the How long
can you talk about him like this before he started calling?
Speaker 8 (01:01:17):
Because he owes me a lot of money. So he's
in the book. Everyone's like, you didn't change his name.
I'm like, no, motherfuck owes me money. So I'm hoping
it gets.
Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
Back to him.
Speaker 8 (01:01:25):
NAIs where he ashamed and his new girl is like, enough,
give this bitch her money.
Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
Something that says.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Iris biscuits, gravy.
Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
Wow, Wow, can I have an acting question?
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
We're just all over there.
Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
So we're talking about all these auditions that you had,
did you didn't get picked for? However, there is like
a role that was a big deal I remember at
the time that you got and that was on Friends.
Oh yes, can you talk about that a little bit
in the process of struggling.
Speaker 8 (01:01:57):
So what was crazy is I had just been on
I was was regular on a show called City of Angels, right,
so on CBS. I was playing a surgeon, and Blair
Underwood was on the show and Hill Harper and it
was this amazing experience and we got canceled. Let's say
we got canceled on a Tuesday, and I got the
Friends job on a Friday. But the people associated with Friends,
(01:02:18):
not the actual cast, but the production I just thought,
I don't know if she was around as much, but yeah,
like the day to day people at that it was
like season one hundred and ten at this point. But
they thought I was just like some chick off the street,
like I had no experience, so they would be like, Gabrielle,
do you know where your mark is?
Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
They didn't even read J No. It was weird.
Speaker 7 (01:02:43):
So I was like yep, yep, wow.
Speaker 8 (01:02:46):
But it was this idea that like I don't know,
and I'd been in like I'd had how many number
one hit movies at that point, Like it wasn't like
I didn't I just came out of nowhere.
Speaker 6 (01:02:55):
But for that world, it was it didn't count. Did
the actors know who you are? Did Joey and freaking.
Speaker 8 (01:03:04):
In on the show. But I mean by that time
it was such a well oiled machine. They had gotten
it down to like a three or four day work week,
so you got in and got out. So no, I
wasn't really interacting with them in that kind of way.
Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
But were you the first black woman was used to
I can know, so.
Speaker 7 (01:03:17):
I usually came after me. I was like the experiment
to make sure like the.
Speaker 8 (01:03:19):
World and brought like the same role like where they
were fighting over. But I had made a joke on
the View. Everything happens at the View. I made a
joke at the View that I didn't realize I had.
I was the Rosa Parks of Mussy TV, you know,
kind of joking like how is it that you're in
like season nine in New York where there's like no
(01:03:43):
black people, Asians, anybody. And I got a call from
NBC and apparently someone had gone through every frame of
every episode and counted the black people with lines and it.
So they were like, I'm dead fucking and they were like,
what you can say is that you are the first
(01:04:04):
African American love interest on Friends.
Speaker 7 (01:04:07):
Bullshit.
Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
I still like I watched every episode.
Speaker 8 (01:04:09):
Sherry Shepherd. Cherry Shepherd worked at the museums that.
Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
Were she worked with. All right, that was one episode.
Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
I'm sorry. All right, yeah, man, okay, I have like
a lot of Bring It On questions. Well, I mean, so,
what was what was it like for you, like auditioning
for that?
Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
And like how did they see that?
Speaker 8 (01:04:33):
I didn't have to audition, so I'd done enough teen
movies and maybe they saw the Uncle Sam video.
Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
I'm not sure, Child to a Beautiful Swan.
Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
No, so I they'd asked me to be a part
of the table read for that, and at the time
the movie was called cheer Fever and all the changed that,
but most of us who did the table read ended
up doing the movie, and so by the time we
started filming it was called Bring It On. And the
toros came down like I want to say six seven,
(01:05:06):
eight weeks early to learn all the routines and everything
they gave me in Black, nine days to learn.
Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
Really it was like y'all got this, yeah, but it
was it sucked because like with for Black, they had
been on tour non stop, and they went right from
a tour where they were touring with en Sync to
filming and they.
Speaker 7 (01:05:26):
Were just over it all, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (01:05:29):
And they were exhausted, and so I had to put
my big sister draws on and I was like, let's
get some fake id's girls.
Speaker 7 (01:05:38):
Let's go to Tijuana.
Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Damn you.
Speaker 7 (01:05:44):
Now, I couldn't get them fake id's.
Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
It was.
Speaker 8 (01:05:45):
It was kind of hard in San Diego, but getting
across the border not so tough.
Speaker 7 (01:05:50):
Not so tough at that time. But we had a
fucking blast.
Speaker 8 (01:05:53):
Like it was the movie we all did because we
didn't get the cheerleading movie of our dreams. So like
the cheerleading movie that everyone thought was going to be
the big hit with Sugar and Spice, the cheerleading cheerleading
bank robbing movie.
Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
I remember moving is that four girls.
Speaker 7 (01:06:09):
There were like twelve girls.
Speaker 8 (01:06:10):
It was a gang, and none of them they were
like out of all of these roles, I'm like, not
one can be black, and they're like, ah, they're so no.
Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
Oh Mina sorvino yea.
Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
So we were all kind of.
Speaker 8 (01:06:26):
And then Kirsten wanted save the Last Dance and she
didn't get that. So it was kind of like the
Constellation Prize, you know, summer in San Diego filming, you know,
this cheerleading movie.
Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
And we just had a fucking blast.
Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
I love.
Speaker 6 (01:06:40):
Said Kirsten wanted to say the last Dance.
Speaker 7 (01:06:42):
Yes, Kirsten was up for save Last Dance.
Speaker 6 (01:06:44):
Julia got it.
Speaker 8 (01:06:46):
Yeah, but Julie, who I was friends with from Ten
Things I Hate About You. Yes, it was such a
small little teen world, but but yeah, we just had
it was like a bunch of fucking helliens and we
had a great time. Elijah Douche crew, great time, great girl.
Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
We had a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
And that was actually you doing all the because there was.
Speaker 7 (01:07:05):
No money for stunt double. But what you notice is
there's a lot of tight shots. I don't match anybody.
They're all doing the position. Ship in my ass is
like wait, what like if we were in the five Heartbeats.
Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
You'd be quaboy or yeah, it.
Speaker 8 (01:07:22):
Would have just been I definitely wasn't dressing.
Speaker 6 (01:07:25):
Now that's a combination. I'm not the group.
Speaker 7 (01:07:30):
I was like the fourth member of.
Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Okay, okay, okay, no wait is it time for.
Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Me?
Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
We used to have Q tip dance breaks and we
haven't done it and we only did it once was on.
Speaker 6 (01:08:03):
Yeah, that was the song we did it to, Don't
walk Away. He killed it.
Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Met from Jade in Chicago, like last year.
Speaker 7 (01:08:10):
Is that the Braces?
Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
She was the light skinned one braces?
Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
She was super cool? She was she was super cool.
Speaker 6 (01:08:18):
What I need to know?
Speaker 7 (01:08:20):
What?
Speaker 6 (01:08:20):
Like?
Speaker 7 (01:08:20):
What I need updates?
Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
She's I think she's living in Chicago, I think, and
she's just like writing and I think she's I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
She was cool, like I don't think she's still music, Yeah,
still in music. Yeah, she's she's chilling.
Speaker 8 (01:08:35):
I love when I see like you know from you
know and somewhere yeah, or just different, just they've segued
into something.
Speaker 7 (01:08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
I love that. We interviewed Patric Russian earlier. I felt that, yes,
everything forget.
Speaker 8 (01:08:53):
Me, but who's saying you make my love for them?
Speaker 6 (01:09:01):
She settled for your love, settle.
Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Forgive me, not forgive me and I want you to remember.
Speaker 6 (01:09:14):
But she's also with the music record for Mad Show.
Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Be doing too many references.
Speaker 7 (01:09:27):
I'm gonna give you a little time cut close.
Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Yea, we were singing at this morning. He was saying, well,
first we'll first cut. We were saying nobody, nobody, because
that's the thing like me.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
And then I brought up can I tell you all right?
We're just going all over the place.
Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
What honored was DJ and your wedding and the fact
that you reunited guide that was watch yo her wedding,
Oh my God, like coming to America lit like yes
she love.
Speaker 6 (01:10:05):
God love though, because that's inappropriate, right?
Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
What was okay? What was the wedding for us boundaries?
Speaker 6 (01:10:13):
That's like.
Speaker 7 (01:10:16):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
What was the jam? What?
Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
What was your winnings on? What was okay?
Speaker 7 (01:10:24):
Well we came we came down to John Legend.
Speaker 8 (01:10:27):
We had actually John no because that was the summer
of all of Me, So we switched it up. So
what we had was this old black man playing the
piano and he was started the beginning chorus of all
of Me, and we have John come out.
Speaker 7 (01:10:41):
And tap him on the tap him on the back.
I think I got.
Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
This, and then he who organized because it was like
a movie you.
Speaker 6 (01:10:50):
Of course, the executive producer.
Speaker 8 (01:10:56):
He does one on his shoulder and then and then
he'sted singing the with the other one.
Speaker 7 (01:11:04):
No, no, the other freaking song. Chrissy's in the video?
Why am I drawing a blank?
Speaker 6 (01:11:11):
She is all of me?
Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
It's not all of me? Uh, it's a piano ballot.
Speaker 8 (01:11:15):
Yes, And and he was like again, it was like
it was the hit after all of me.
Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
I was, I'm looking now, okay, So if it was.
Speaker 7 (01:11:31):
Drawing a blank, wait, this is editing is great.
Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
So all of me? Love me now, love me?
Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
Now you and I, you and I.
Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Isn't that?
Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
How does that she's in the video?
Speaker 7 (01:11:48):
Is that how it kind of starts?
Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
You want to.
Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
I don't. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
I don't know the beginning.
Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
I just know because it's one on the list after him,
after that one on on his Wikipedia page.
Speaker 7 (01:12:01):
So yeah, that's it's one of those.
Speaker 8 (01:12:04):
So he comes in and plays and then yeah, so
then we did everything in sections, so we had that
part of the beginning part of the wedding. You know,
we came out and there was like the Coming to
America dancers that came over this hill and you know,
and then he comes out and I come down, and
then and then the reception. We come into the wedding
(01:12:24):
reception to Calid and uh uh Luda. All I do
is when when when we but Luda did his verse
as we were like walking in, it was there. And
then uh so as we were leaving the reception, we
had a big choir, a big black choir that started
singing God, and they led us from the reception into
(01:12:49):
the jute joint.
Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
So we did.
Speaker 8 (01:12:52):
Basically the nobody know that the upper room you watched
them movies, justus, motherfucker. So we walked we they walk
us in and so they burst through the doors, you know,
(01:13:12):
the crier burst to the doors and guy, I forget
what their first the first thing they were playing it
was it would either been piece of My Love grove
me I like one of their face. We do only
negotiated four songs and then somewhere in the middle of
the set, Aaron Hall said, uh, I know ya, I
want to hear it's the Maarn Hall and.
Speaker 7 (01:13:33):
Teddy Riley was like, what the fuck? Teddy?
Speaker 6 (01:13:37):
And Teddy and Teddy.
Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Riley and Damien.
Speaker 7 (01:13:43):
They got up, walked, they left the stage.
Speaker 8 (01:13:46):
Aaron performed, then they came back saying their hits, their
Black Street hits, and we ended up getting like the
ten songs because your set started late.
Speaker 6 (01:13:55):
Two songs, because how many songs? You don't be afraid
and I miss you.
Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
Find out he did get a little freaky tonight, get
a little for you to me would get a little
fig with all the places I would you, Yes, I
know your R and B.
Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
No, I don't know. I don't know who are you?
Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
You know what it is.
Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I think being Steve. I think being being in.
Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Voodoo jail for five years just totally took us.
Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Out of commission. I missed all the greasy R and
B I did. We were listening to some pretty good
from ninety five to two thousand.
Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
We were stuck in the Times Ship two thousand, Yeah,
that was.
Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
That good army. When Niggas was singing with water on their.
Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Chest twelve.
Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Next yet next, Yeah, ideal and profile and all of that.
Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
I said, I almost wow, Wow, I ruined it because
I did not have or nor did I know uh uh.
Speaker 7 (01:15:03):
Brod was making suggestions.
Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
I didn't have hot boy.
Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
But oh yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Was like damn near all the cavaliers and Kevin Hart
like yo, play play hot boy and I'm like I
was like baby, and.
Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
I was like you need a hot boy?
Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Yeah, that's where I was. And I was like they
just looked at.
Speaker 7 (01:15:26):
Me like and I want the Spinners.
Speaker 8 (01:15:28):
Like so it's like we had You know, this is
what happens when you marry a man almost ten years
you know, ten years younger, and then his teammates are
like almost ten years younger than him.
Speaker 7 (01:15:38):
Oh you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (01:15:39):
So that's frustrating a little bit. It can be.
Speaker 7 (01:15:42):
Because I was like, so, who wants to come to
the Hall of Oates concert.
Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
I'll go to a Hall of those concerts.
Speaker 7 (01:15:49):
I just made him come with me, maybe like a
month ago.
Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
He knew the songs, he just didn't know how much
he loved them to know.
Speaker 8 (01:15:56):
Him because I forced him to listen, like in the
car like he knows the Spinners because I've forced him
to listen to it. But I'll be like, who is
this freaky valley in the four seas?
Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Yes, I've given up that battle oh with with your yeah,
because you're dating your younger She don't.
Speaker 6 (01:16:14):
She's a little young like she I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
There's a three in the left digit of her age.
Speaker 6 (01:16:22):
She looks good.
Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yeah, she looks good.
Speaker 11 (01:16:25):
You said, I'm sorry, Yeah, to.
Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Bring her out a bit on myself.
Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
No, I know.
Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
I don't want to bring on the show because everything
ain't for sale. Yeah, you do. Got to bring around
your family. You got to bring around man.
Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Yeah, got.
Speaker 6 (01:16:47):
You at your countertops. You don't know she's a sister
to Sorry, No, I would put that together. That's not news,
nigga is don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
That's the perception in your head.
Speaker 7 (01:17:01):
Okay, Well only because I know.
Speaker 8 (01:17:05):
I mean, he has dated a couple of my friends
and they are both black.
Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Yeah, so yeah, dog again, there must be.
Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
I've only known him twenty some years. What do I know?
Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Because I don't let you know everything.
Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
I know. You hide him. It's good, haide this one,
and I like her.
Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
I'm not hurting nobody. I just he wasn't hiding you.
Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
I'm from.
Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
I wouldn't hide you from the world.
Speaker 6 (01:17:35):
I was heard had the world from you from Drake talking.
Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
About it's falling off. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
This is perfect shooting the ship with Gabriel Union. This
is fucking dope, yo, I really think, man, I don't know,
like because because I'm not I mean I watched like
your moving up, but like I don't I don't follow
like the gossip blogs and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
So I really didn't know that much about your life.
Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
I hated the scripts and I didn't know.
Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Yeah, I just feel like.
Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
This is a side of you that people don't get
to see because, like you know, if.
Speaker 8 (01:18:14):
You follow me or you are like even marginally around
right now, like I usually have a cocktail or scientist dump.
Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Yeah, okay, look, need you getting pulled over? I don't
want to slightly open a door, and we have a
limited time left, so you know, I do want to
talk about, uh what's happening now?
Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
I was like, well as far as no, no.
Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
No, I mean, because I know that you're you're for
a while, there was a sisterhood gathering of the me too.
Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
Oh.
Speaker 8 (01:18:54):
I was like, wait, what, I don't know what you're
talking about our group chat.
Speaker 7 (01:19:00):
In the group chat, sir, No, okay, I.
Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Didn't go there, but I just mean, like, yes.
Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Where at the time when you guys were you know,
where it was deep into Harvey's situation and whatnot. There
was like okay, let's take action rosters. And now it's
like four or five months later. Has anything significant come,
(01:19:26):
you know, from the gathering or is.
Speaker 8 (01:19:27):
It just like I think because it made the conversation
so much wider, you know what I mean. I've been
doing this work for shit. I've been out about being
a sexual assault survivor for almost twenty five years, you know.
To Ronna Burke, she's been you know, in the movement
ground you know, ground floor for fifteen twenty years. So
(01:19:49):
for those of us who've been doing the work, it's
not a new conversation, but trying to reach as many
people as as we as needed to be reached who
needed help, healing and justice. We just weren't reaching as
all the people that needed us. So with the Times
of Movement and Me Too movement, the conversation is worldwide,
(01:20:14):
so people are are feeling strengthened and heard and seen
to be able to share their their truth and some
of that. Sometimes that leads to justice, Sometimes that leads
to a safer work environment. Sometimes it leads to having
conversations where people know it's like please don't pull your
(01:20:35):
dick out, like not appropriate, not appropriate? In the office,
like I don't want to be making copies with your
dick next to me, like stop it. So it's starting
to help people police themselves in work environments of what
is reasonable and what is unreasonable because so much of
so much unreasonable behavior was not even spoken about. You
(01:20:58):
just took it, especially if you were in a subordinate position,
and so everyone thought that shit was normal, And it's
not normal.
Speaker 7 (01:21:04):
It's never it never has been.
Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
So now that the conversation is more out there and
people know that there are consequences to the bullshit, it's
starting to help people behave a bit better and people
know that there are consequences.
Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Do you feel a personal like uh difference in it
or is it just people saying Okay, I'm sorry, I
mean that. Don't you know, Like are they slow to
joke around you or anything.
Speaker 8 (01:21:30):
I think there's slow to joke period, like inappropriate jokes,
like even in Hollywood, where I mean we make a
living off of, you know, inappropriate things and being able
to be free sort of. But there's a there's a
there's a line between being funny and being racist. There's
a line between being funny and subjecting your coworkers to
(01:21:50):
your fucking dick. There's a line between like offering opportunity
and offering opportunity.
Speaker 6 (01:21:56):
Coupled with your dick, Like there's.
Speaker 8 (01:21:59):
A fucking difference, and like this gray area that people
keep like, but what about it? It's like, no, motherfucker,
you know, this isn't like rocket science. You've just known
that so many other people have gotten away with it,
and now we're just not letting everyone get away with it.
And there's still so much more work to be done.
And there's because there's so much anytime someone comes out,
(01:22:20):
this idea that victims become fucking famous for telling their
truth is bullshit, And nobody wants to be famous for
this shit. You want the shit to stop. You want
to be able to go to work, do your shit,
create cool shit, and go the fuck home, you know
what I mean, Like you don't want to be followed
or harassed or subjective to bullshit. You want to do
your shit and get the fuck home. And I think
(01:22:42):
now people are a little bit more conscientious of the
shit that's probably actually in their you know, rule books.
You know they know where the HR department is if
they didn't before.
Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
How do you think the Asia R Gentle situation is
affecting it or what effect do you think you will
have on the movement.
Speaker 7 (01:23:00):
I think it's it's.
Speaker 8 (01:23:02):
It's it's unfortunate that she took a leadership position knowing
she had she had hurt a child. So in that sense,
she's hurting her herself, and she hurt because she hurt
a child, and she's paying a consequence.
Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
For the record, she's categorically denying that that happened.
Speaker 8 (01:23:23):
The video, the picture, she she admitted that ship and
you know.
Speaker 6 (01:23:35):
So down did we have to do like I mean,
not we, but amongst the women in the leadership, does
that have to be a conversation of all right girl?
So y'all good? Right. The thing is, it's a leadership.
Speaker 8 (01:23:44):
It's a leaderless movement, except there are people who are
sort of elective elected by If you're doing an interview,
you know, for your movie or whatever, and somebody asked
you a question about you know me too and times
up then and I and I answer it, they'll be
like Gabrielle Union leader of you know, I'm like, no,
I'm answering question. But because you know, she was, she
(01:24:07):
was sort of putting herself in a position of leadership
because like.
Speaker 6 (01:24:10):
Rose McGowan is a face that you might say, Okay,
I know it's not a leadership, but she is definitely
a face.
Speaker 7 (01:24:14):
She's she's she's very much in the forefront.
Speaker 8 (01:24:18):
So yeah, so you would think if you are going
to be in the forefront, that you shouldn't make payments
to you know, to.
Speaker 6 (01:24:26):
A you know, damn it, tunging around with a kid.
Speaker 8 (01:24:30):
But no, I mean, and and also that hurt people
hurt people, you know, not all not obviously not all
hurt people hurt people, but you know, unfortunately, sometimes you know,
people who have been abused go on to abuse other people,
and at some point we have to be accountable for
our behavior and face consequences.
Speaker 6 (01:24:49):
Do you really think now that we now we're talking
about the resurgence of Louis k and whatnot, and when
it comes to Hollywood, because maybe on you know, in
other industries, I feel like there may be more consequences,
but in Hollywood it seems like, let's just give it
six months or let's give it a year, just lay back. Yeah,
I mean, I mean, maybe Kevin's I'm thinking.
Speaker 8 (01:25:10):
I think that's a wrap for him. Yeah, I mean,
he got a standing ovation, so if you were, if
you were one of the chicks that.
Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Oh yeah, I heard it on his new his stand
up or he did a set.
Speaker 8 (01:25:24):
So I mean, what I you know, just from social media,
that's just what I've I've been when I'm not tweeting
the boy from to all the boys I've loved before.
Speaker 6 (01:25:35):
Yeah, no, I I I.
Speaker 8 (01:25:37):
Saw that he went up after being gone with eight
months and got it before he spoke a word, got
a standing ovation. So just thinking from the space of
one of the five women. Out of five women, he
asked all five if he could masturbate in front of them.
Three said no, two said yes, but there were women
(01:26:02):
who said no, I'm cool no and still proceeded to
do that. So if you're one of those women, and
then when they went on to talk about him masturbating,
he derailed their careers. So that's your career. That is
a long consequence for speaking out about and not even
speaking to the media, is just speaking to other people
(01:26:24):
like Yo, this.
Speaker 7 (01:26:25):
Motherfucker like whacked off while I was sitting there. You
know what I mean? What message does that send? If
you're them, Well.
Speaker 6 (01:26:35):
We're not living in a world that cares about them
right now, right like, doesn't you think you have all
about Well yeah, but that was just a big fuck
you to me.
Speaker 8 (01:26:42):
I mean, like just the way, and I think a
lot of people sort of felt that way. And then
you know, I'm scrolling through the comments, it was like, well,
how long or what was his name? What's his name?
Michael Ian Black? He kind of came stepped up and
came to Lewis e K's defense. It was like, well,
on the other side of this METO movement, with these
men who have been you know, sort of out it
as you know, exhibiting shitty behavior, how do we get
(01:27:04):
how do how do they get on the road to redemption?
Speaker 7 (01:27:06):
And how long should they?
Speaker 8 (01:27:08):
And you know, and the response categorically was I don't
fucking know, I don't fucking care, Like it's not long enough.
And maybe a standing ovation before he said a word
much less publicly from the stage, you know, addressed it
again or taking public steps to whatever it is.
Speaker 7 (01:27:26):
But I think a lot of people feel very strongly.
Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
About also say I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
I'll say that the audience at the Comedy Seller is
beyond Bridge and Tunnel. Like usually it's it's like a
touristy spot. A lot of people from out the country
and that sort of thing. So I almost think that
their borderline like not connected. I'm not even trying to
(01:27:55):
man explain or quest plain it.
Speaker 6 (01:27:56):
No you're not. No, you're not explaining anything. I get
what you're saying, but it just doesn't make any sense
because they went to see him.
Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Well, yeah, like you go. You go to the Comedy Cellar,
hoping is a place where the big names go to
practice a set to see if this material works in
that so any night could be Chris Rock, Jerry Seinfeld.
Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
So I went.
Speaker 8 (01:28:20):
Chris called when he was putting his act together, the
last act together, and he's like, Yo, come come see
you know, I'm going to go up to at the
at the Comedy Cellar, and I'd never been. I had
no idea where it was, and it's so dark in there.
I was sitting in the back. I couldn't tell you
what the crowd looked like because all I could see
is him on the stage, and then you know, the
crowd is pretty dark from where I was sitting, So
(01:28:42):
I couldn't.
Speaker 7 (01:28:42):
Even tell you the type of photograph.
Speaker 10 (01:28:46):
I would have no idea, but usually it's it's you know,
Germans visiting New York for the summer, like that's sort
of thing.
Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Oh wow, yeah, So it wasn't like.
Speaker 7 (01:29:00):
I'm curious, what are you guys.
Speaker 8 (01:29:01):
It's like, you know, two women and four guys, Like,
what do you guys think of the Me Too?
Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Movement?
Speaker 5 (01:29:08):
I think it's right, well, not right on time. It's overdue. Yeah,
I mean, this shit's wrong and something needs to be
done about it. So let's do something about it.
Speaker 7 (01:29:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Well no, no, at least the conversations I've had with you,
I know that we've spoken at length about, you know,
are do the women in the movement understand that women
of color having gone through this way longer and harsher with.
Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Everything, with the page gap and and you know, everything
that comes with it.
Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
And so I almost feel as though if for to
truly be a movement, there has to be a universal
understanding of all the components involved.
Speaker 8 (01:30:00):
You know, Yeah, some do, some don't, you know, some
some you know, like when you think of Hollywood, you
have to look at it as like any community.
Speaker 7 (01:30:10):
So there's there's the very very wealthy who.
Speaker 8 (01:30:13):
Live in the big game engines, and then there's the
people who live in in you know, government subsidized housing,
you know, like regular working actors who will never be famous.
They just love what they do and you know, generally
have second and third jobs.
Speaker 7 (01:30:28):
But all of these people are of part of the movement.
Speaker 8 (01:30:32):
The people in the gay communities are not going to
be relating to the struggle of a working actor and
the basic things that working actors are fighting for, like
like insurance and health care and you know, basic rights.
So it's not that they're uneducated per se, it's more
of it's not my reality. So the ship I'm fighting
(01:30:55):
for I want to make what Mark Wahlberg makes, and
we're like, wait what, Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's it's
such a massive They're just totally different conversations.
Speaker 7 (01:31:05):
But yes, I think everyone's.
Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Yes, But it's is it doing more harm if there's
not an understanding it? And are you the type that's
willing to let them know in a very clear manner
without you know, I've.
Speaker 7 (01:31:27):
Never been one to hold my tongue.
Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
So when you when you respond, when you when you respond,
is it more like radio silence from your sisterhood.
Speaker 8 (01:31:35):
Or I think I think people are more concerned wanting
to know more about what I'm feeling than you know what.
Speaker 7 (01:31:44):
I may.
Speaker 8 (01:31:46):
Communicate via a text, so I'll get a call be like, okay,
help me understand what what what? What exactly you want
me to convey to the larger group, because I'll talk
to certain individuals as a postse to like full thread,
you know, threads of people or whatever. But no, I
don't think anyone's ever really confused by what I say.
Speaker 7 (01:32:09):
I'm very clear.
Speaker 8 (01:32:10):
I'm like, listen, if your movement is not intersectional, and
you are not centering the most marginalized among us, then
it's a moment. It's not a fucking movement. I'm not
interested in a moment. I'm too old, I'm too i'm
too tired. I've been through, I've been too way too
much shit. So for if I'm actually going to participate
(01:32:30):
in something, we are going to center the most vulnerable
of us, and that's not you. So hand over the microphone,
push away from the desk, pull some other chairs up,
and let somebody else talk.
Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
I think it has to be I think it has
to be like you know, when you ask you know
what we thoughts from moving where. I think it has
to be some kind of I don't know if just
it has to be some kind of definition as to
what is what. So for me when I saw it,
it was like I compared it to almost kind of
like in American gangster Gizell when he was talking about like, Yo,
(01:33:04):
this is blue magic. You know what I'm saying, and
it's like, this is my package, Like I stand behind
I guarantee it. If you want to cut the ship
and call it something else, fine, but don't call this
shit blue magic, you know what I mean. That was
kind of my thoughts on just like when when it
first happened, and like first the Harvey shit broke and
like everybody was like holy shit, you know what I mean,
it was like yo, like that's a fucking package.
Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
But then like disease, I'm sorry, shit, it was just
like you feel me. It was you know what I mean.
I mean to me, until a lot of people it was.
Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Just like like okay, like like the Harvey stuff, like
a lot of the other the stories like that was
like clear cut AsSalt, like that was like that was
just black and white.
Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
But isn't that the process? And it was just like
that's the process, just like you got an Asia Argento,
like this is something new and everything is not one hundred.
We got to learn the balance, and the Skalets.
Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
Would be on the road to Harvey had he not been.
Speaker 6 (01:33:57):
No, no, no, I'm just saying that, for lack of
a better term, mistakes will happen, some things will fall
between the cracks, like there will be some misunderstand Like
that's gonna happen. It's gonna be an disease. But if
as long as it's you know, ninety.
Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Ten, I just with the AZ just in that in particular,
I'm like back to just the blue maginology.
Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
You can call that whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
But if I'm the leader of that movement, I'm like, yo,
you can't call that shit me too.
Speaker 7 (01:34:23):
No leader, but there's no leader, no leader.
Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
I'm just saying, if see but you feel me like
I'm speaking in how fucking product with that bullshit? The
problem is also, you know, the problems that I've had
with it are like, say a publication like Time magazine
will decide and cherry pick who they feel will sell
(01:34:47):
more magazines for the movement right now. When they did
it last year, and you know, I saw certain people
on there, I was like, wait a minute, come on,
like and you know, I don't think it should be
like the prize or like who's the most victimized or
that sort of thing, And that's kind of what it becomes,
though at least it seems to me it becomes like
the Olympics of that. Yeah, but the way that they
(01:35:09):
portrayed it was just like, okay, well we'll pick these
four particular ones because they're big box office draws, right, and.
Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
We'll use them as that.
Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
And then you know, that's sort of where I was like, Ah,
this this is where it gets ruined.
Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
But does it need a leader?
Speaker 8 (01:35:26):
I mean, it's like civil rights movement, right, there's so
many of us who all have different ideas about or
had different ideas about civil rights and how best to
get them. There is the Martin Luther King, but you
know more you know, nonviolent movement, and then they're you know,
(01:35:47):
Black Panther, you know Malcolm X. I think you you
align yourself with whose route matches your ideologies. So I
don't think there has to be one leader or if
the goal is liberty, I think there's many paths to that,
and you you either you lead or you follow who
(01:36:08):
best speaks to your needs and your desires and where
you see the change you want to.
Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
See, So how do you handle somebody?
Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
So how do you address that in the context of
somebody like Nick Parker who was found not guilty in
a court of law.
Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
But still you know.
Speaker 6 (01:36:24):
He pre me too though he pre me too well.
Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
I mean, well he will he.
Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
No, no, that movie like fucking like he yeah, he
for that ship that ship thinks and so like yeah,
so how do you like reconcile that? I mean, and
you work with him?
Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
So but which was even more fun because it's like, yo,
he was convicted.
Speaker 6 (01:36:46):
He was trying not about the We didn't care about that.
Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
How could you but see what that's fucked up?
Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
You know, I'm saying in in a sense of we're
not gonna not We're not. I don't think a lot
of sisters was like we ain't gonna support this movie
because we think that he did that. That wasn't the system.
That was kind of nah said, that wasn't the sustance
that you can but I'll tell you that I wasn't
the system is.
Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
No, it was not. Listen, I was. I am a
frequent black Twitter Power user like Nigga. I got the
deluxe package like it was so many fucking oh he's canceled,
he trashed, and I'm like, yo, how is a man
who was put on trial for potentially raping a white one?
Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Hold on, hold on. Before you get finished that, I'm
gonna say one thing.
Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
R Kelly, Okay, well that's court of law, and he
was not convicted.
Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
He was trying to go. But in the case of
all Kelly, I mean, there was a tape that was I.
Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
Mean it was.
Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
Though, right.
Speaker 8 (01:37:45):
Justice isn't wrong right, no, no, no no, But I'm
just saying, but you just it was there was a tape,
but but justice didn't just because.
Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
I might I might have been again the voodoo hole.
Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Was there a trial for R. Kelly? Yeah, there was.
Speaker 6 (01:38:02):
There was yeh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
It was evidence. But then but I forgot what it was.
Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
I think I don't think they allowed the jury to
watch it or was it like thrown out or mistrial?
Speaker 8 (01:38:14):
I can't remember because remember they had didn't they have
to testify, like to break down the parts of the
tape and they brought in people to testify to like
the to the to the.
Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Episode, and yes, yeah they did.
Speaker 5 (01:38:26):
They didn't come to a Verdicant because I remember, because
I went to a wedding that day, and we heard
it on the way to the wedding.
Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Yeah, no, he was found out. Gives and I think
it had something to do with the family. Wouldn't testify
something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Yeah, it was. It was something like that. It was
something like that. But that was r Kelly was different.
Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
And plus, anybody's been in the they been Kelly been
on some fun ship like that ship ain't new. But
but in particular with the Nate Parker thing, that was
a thing where it's like, Okay, this is a guy,
black man who was on trial again for raping a
white woman that.
Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
That angel, that Lily White.
Speaker 6 (01:39:02):
He married.
Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Like, no, dude, he was. I'm just saying like he was.
He was on trial in fucking like Pennsylvania. Like Pennsylvania
is Alabama with Philly in it.
Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Nigga, Like.
Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
He's Rightigga was on trial in Pennsylvania for fucking allegedly
raven a white woman beat it, found not guilty. His
homeboy was found guilty. And then and when he went in,
they later went back and was like, you know what,
this was bullshit. So his on boy got out. So
this is a guy who was by all the accounts,
found not guilty something, but he was still fucking like
(01:39:38):
raked over the.
Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Colds for that.
Speaker 6 (01:39:39):
So it's just like my mama said, yeah, he still
married that white woman, right, And that's that's what I remember,
and a lot of women's I don't know whatever, but
what I don't think, I.
Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Just that's the movement.
Speaker 6 (01:39:50):
So it was Ben for three.
Speaker 8 (01:39:56):
I mean, I think listen with anything, there's no easy answers,
Like you know, I was just having this debate. I've
been a debate speaking facts about the civil rights movement,
erasure of women and the LGBTQ community who are instrumental
in the movement that we to this day don't don't
recognize and acknowledge. James Balbin rested, like, there, I mean,
(01:40:20):
but we today it's twenty eighteen, we're acknowledging them. Back
in the day, you know, it was like do the
work and we'll reap the benefits, but we will never
give you your your your desserts. So every no movement
is is ideal or perfect or with one leader, and
it's rarely the wheels of progress rarely turn at the
(01:40:43):
rate we want them to, and everything is in flux.
And if the goal is liberty, it's a long road,
and it has been a long road, you know, especially
for us.
Speaker 6 (01:40:55):
So and that's what I keep feeling out. It's funny
because as you asked that question, I always say, you know,
I'm just going to wait until these white women get
their freedom so I can get mine, just like voting
and everything they ain't else and with the dollar and
everything else, because it seems like there's an order to things,
no matter how much we're involved. It's an order. And
that's why I have on this shirt protect Black Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Yeah, and that's kind of me. Yeah, I don't really. Yeah,
I just I stay out of white people problems.
Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
I stay out of white people issues because I think,
like when you like with your shirt protect Black Women,
I just think like we have issues within our community
as black people that we gotta handle and we can't
talk about our ship in front of white people.
Speaker 6 (01:41:30):
That's it, and that's true conversation I think. But Roy
Wood Jr. Offered at he offered a small good step
that I thought was good for brothers.
Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Oh what niggas calling shit out? Claim?
Speaker 6 (01:41:40):
Yeah, when you see ship, don't just laugh at it.
When you see a woman DM being disrespected in a
room full of dudes or you just see a period,
don't just laugh, don't just be silent, Like can we
just start there?
Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Oh no, I think and I think we definitely have
started there. I mean just because well, I mean we
had Quick. We were talking about Quick. It's just like
you start to realize at a certain point in your life,
y'all niggas liabilities, you know what I'm saying, And it's
like I can't have y'all, I'm not risking what I
built up because you want to be a fucking dickhead,
you know what I mean. So if if nothing else,
even if you can't get cats to understand it on
(01:42:11):
just a human man woman level, just same to like,
look now, these niggas about to fuck up all your money.
Like Quick had a six figure check then he had
to spend on legal fees.
Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Think about that.
Speaker 6 (01:42:21):
It's a shame as you got to make him think
about that just to respect a woman.
Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
But I get you know what I'm saying. Look listen,
I mean listen, you got to meet people where they at,
you know what I mean, Somebody can take them.
Speaker 6 (01:42:30):
Let somebody say, fuck your mama. It's a whole problem, Like,
don't do it to my mama.
Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
But do it to everybody else if somebody say, if
somebody said, like your mom, I'm saying most.
Speaker 6 (01:42:37):
Men are protective of their mothers. But if you have
to go all around that to just say no, no, no,
you got to give them all that extra bullshit just
to be like, respect that one.
Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
And I agree with you on that.
Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
I don't think I should have to be like whenever,
because that's the knee jerk response niggas like, oh man,
that's somebody mama, that's somebody daughter, that's like a woman
like she just she's a human fucking being.
Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Just if she ain't got no kids, she's still a
person like you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (01:42:59):
So I agree, Well, it's crazy because it's like we all,
you know, think but the kids, like you know, that's
where I draw the line with kids.
Speaker 6 (01:43:06):
But you see that, no, not at all.
Speaker 8 (01:43:09):
You see that nine year old boy who comes out
of who comes out as gay to his his mother,
his parents, and goes to school and proceeds to get
bullied for being gay and kills himself. This was just
a couple of days ago, and you see all over
social media not let's address the bullying. You know, well,
(01:43:33):
how did he know he was gay? Nine years old
is too young to know you're gay, and really.
Speaker 6 (01:43:39):
It's actually black.
Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
But dude, just.
Speaker 7 (01:43:47):
The picture that they show, I can't I can't have red.
Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Internet comments before the internet.
Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Comment is where I did not sell just I you
want to give up all hoping human you gumms like yeah.
Speaker 8 (01:44:01):
But you you would think like basic humanity. This child
has has felt so bullied that he even killed himself.
Well the kids, the kids, I guess, were bullying him,
telling him to kill himself, and he like, I think
it was like day four killed himself. He was nine
and just watching people do the mental gymnastics. Instead of
(01:44:22):
you know, offering prayers for the boy and his family
or whatever it was, why are you forcing the gay
lifestyle on this boy? And it was like the gay lifestyle?
Where's the gay lifestyle? Because I think I'd like to
sign up for it.
Speaker 7 (01:44:34):
It's I mean, the gay life.
Speaker 6 (01:44:36):
I'm like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 8 (01:44:37):
This is a child who was bullied and how about
we check what the fuck is happening in the in
the homes of the bullies. What kind of homophobic, transphobic, islamophobic, racist,
misogynistic bullshit is happening in those homes. Let's let's start there,
and how you unleash these little hellions on their classmates
to say crazy shit to this boy.
Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Yeah, it's like not no, I've It's just why I
think you have to like, well, I mean accuse me,
because people will be people. I mean, no matter who
you are, whether you're gay, straight, trans, whatever, there's always
gonna be somebody that just don't fuck with you. So
like the thing, cause I have to something. My boys
are seventeen and thirteen, and my thing is just like
you have to arm them. My thing is about to think.
My message I tell them is like listen, ninety percent
(01:45:20):
of people shit ninety five ninety nine percent of people
are just all taught. So if you can make yourself
and build yourself up mentally to where you're immune to words,
then you're fucking bulletproof cause you ain't gotta They not
gonna do shit.
Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
They talking because they ain't gonna do nothing. So you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
If you people say and they say fuck, they want
to say like they's talking because that's all they can do.
So I think it starts. I've just always been a
person of I just try to think in context of
I can't control what other people do whatever, like phobias,
they god or they hate, they got like, they ain't
got shit to do with me.
Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
I have to build myself and teach mine to be
like listen, it's all kinds. It takes all kinds of
make up a world. Everybody ain't gonna like you. It's
gonna be some people that don't want to fuck with
you for whatever reason. It's my job to give you
the tools to where you don't even look for that
person for validation. You whatever you are, whatever you feel like,
you are, gay, strict, whatever the hell, be confident and
(01:46:14):
be and own who you are. You know what I'm saying,
Because if you own who you are, then this other shit,
these other that's just some puncture. You ain't even got
to worry about that because you good with who you
are and if you're good with it, and that's all
the matter more.
Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
You know what's that man.
Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
Finally later.
Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
To do? Is this how we aim to be going
out anyway? Yeah, we're gonna fall in the vicious rabbit hole.
And I know that Queen Union has.
Speaker 6 (01:47:00):
To be.
Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (01:47:02):
What you're doing. What are you doing tomorrow?
Speaker 8 (01:47:05):
Actually tomorrow morning. I work out every morning at six am,
so I'm up at five am. But tomorrow is Michael
Jackson the Michael Jackson Diamond Uh celebration.
Speaker 6 (01:47:16):
Oh yeah, you're going to go in Vegas?
Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
Vegas?
Speaker 5 (01:47:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (01:47:19):
Are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
No, I got it.
Speaker 6 (01:47:22):
He got work to do. You're gonna be here with us? Yeah,
I'll be celebrating.
Speaker 8 (01:47:27):
Let me see three t because I'm gonna who took
the pen out of me?
Speaker 7 (01:47:37):
Who unpinned me?
Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
I thank you for coming on the show, guess, thank
you so much. Fun.
Speaker 6 (01:47:42):
Before we can, I just asked the blue little question
because Gab, you know you're always on Twitter promoting. I
know you just recently had a win in Florida. Yes,
would you like to promote anything else that you think
people should be aware of? The get further into closer
to this November.
Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
You realize this is not probably not airing until do
be so we have team Supreme.
Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
Sugar Steve, you're still there? Yeah, bro, and uhs, I'm
about to call you our sideo.
Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
Bossville. You there.
Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
Thank you so much, Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
I love you.
Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Thank you so much for finally we made it happen
all right, this is Quest Love, Quest Love Supreme, only
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Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
We will see you on the next go round. Thank you,
Quest Love Supreme. It's a production of iHeart Radio. This
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Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This
classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies
and gentlemen, Welcome to QLs Classic Episode one, Gabrielle Union
from twenty nineteen. We pretty much navigate her life growing
up in all places of Nebraska and that journey that
(00:20):
took her all the way to Hollywood with all of
its lure, beauty and trappings.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's pretty much a good one, y'all.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hope you enjoyed Gabrielle Union QLs Classic.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Let's go here, we go, Let's go.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Subprema Sun Supremo, Roll Suprema Sun Sun Supremo, roll call
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Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah on this road call.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, bringing the finest woman.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah from Ohmar.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Supprima su Supremo, roll call Suprima Sun So sup Prima
role call.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
My name is Fante.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I ain't ate cents lunch. Yeah, but I'm chilling with Gabby.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Fuck Kirsten dunce.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Pramme roll call Supremer Suppreme.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Roll calls up Supreme. Yeah, we're on a roll.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, We're in the house.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, of Na King Cole.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Suprema s S Supprimo roll call. Supprima So Supremo roll call.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, best show of all time. Yeah, we want to
catch us slipping. Yeah, we're gonna need more wine.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Suppremo roll call. Suprema Sun Supremo roll call. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
And my girl she the ship. Yeah, yep, this is Gabby. Yeah,
now bring it.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
Up.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Prema s sup Primo roll call, sup Prema Sun sup
Pramo role called.
Speaker 8 (02:11):
My name is Nikki. Yeah, I like a guy. Yeah,
who's tall? Yeah, Anna Jock.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Suprema up frame a roll, I got it.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Suprema Son Supremo role call, Supprema Son Son Supremo role
cal Supprema Son Son so brame My role came.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Nice. Ladies and gentlemen, Wait, why is it so sound
like it's funeral? Yeah no, I.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
Think that was the funeral of my rap career, my person.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Last second, he did.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
A character reference and you did well. You know.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of course left.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Wow, I feel like we were just here. I know
hes going on and.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Where we're Capitol Records in Hollywood, California.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's like we live here.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, our fourth weekend road without showering changing. Yeah, anyway,
we got a fice house. Like, man, how's married life?
And life is good? Man, it's it's it's boring and
it means it's a great thing, which means no surprise.
It's nothing to report. We are doing great. We watched
(03:32):
our h G t V. You know what I'm saying.
We we you know, grilled chicken. You know we do
our dancing on Sundays. Yeah, we just do old watch
Nigga ship. We should be chilling.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
That's all you can ask for. Gabby is really laughing
anything any happenings are you cool?
Speaker 6 (03:52):
It's like everything is opposite with now.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I'm good, okay, great in your teeth though, this is
a smile.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
No, this is real because because gats here, so I'm excited.
We've been trying to get here for.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yes, Boss Bill, everything's okay.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yeah, I'm still breathing, not in jail, got all my teeth.
You know, my money is straight okay? And Tucker Steve,
how's the network. We're thriving, bro?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, any any developments.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Are uh, We're thriving. Okay. Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Today our guest is activists author. Yeah, I gotta start.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
With activists first alphabetical order.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, wait what alphabet is the activist? She's author a yeah?
Or is that the is that the new ghetto or
he got like.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Order?
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Of all her professions, you skipt alligator high school long ago. Okay,
anyway we have most importantly, she's a good friend and
uh one of my favorite people ever. Please welcome from
Omahabraska Gabrielle Union.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, Bang bang.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Mary Kang gang listen.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I just want to say, man, the scene, Okay, I
before I forget it's been a long day.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Look the scene. Because my wife, she watched the show.
I didn't watch the show.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Was not me, but she does.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
She got me in. She pulled me in, like because
I be on the college and I'm like, what is
this and I'm looking and then by like the end
of the show, I'm.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Like, oh ship, you know what I mean. It pulled
me in. It was it was so it was I
was enthralled.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So the scene where the dad please forgive me for
miss up the characters where the.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Dad kicks the mom kicks sure Gaby at the house.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
When Nikka yeah yeah, he favored like, oh no this
show she you're about to go.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I Dan you want to.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
I had, I really wanted to.
Speaker 8 (06:06):
I thought to make sure that whoever was going to
break up Shaft and should.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Was worth it. And we fought to get the.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Hand who else that was a wonderful cast.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
Oh yeah, he and he wanted to do like the
whole operation. He was the oldest of our senior actors.
And he was like, no, well Billy d Williams. Williams
ran what he was unavailable but no, but the Hammer
wanted to do it topless like he and wardrobe was.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Like no, no, how about a shirt and.
Speaker 8 (06:42):
He's like, fuck you no, see these nipples.
Speaker 9 (06:51):
It was hammer tat we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, when I when I was watching it, Okay, so
I like the show.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I do. I do like that. I want to speak clear.
I do like the show. My wife that got me
finished to our movie.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
I'm talking about them.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Here's the thing. Now, when I saw that exact scene,
the way she kind of walked out the door, I
hit you up and I was like, is it is
it wrong for me to say I kind of maybe
crush on.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Crushes? And I said, you were not the first person to.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
Tell me that's falling.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Oh, she has a very active life. I believe she
believes active.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
Her on social media, she's she will take you from
the club to the swap mate.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
She is, Yes, she must be like Vanessa Bell Calloway tribe, right,
like that seems like I'm a little older old but
she's slopping.
Speaker 8 (07:44):
Seventy two or three. But she's she's an active senior.
She's like they go to the club. Like she wears
like all leather outfits. Y. Yeah, she does inspirational workout videos.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Listen, we all have everything.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Sugar and he dick picks.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Is she single?
Speaker 8 (08:08):
I do not think so. But she does not post
her too. Yeah, I wonder if they have arguments.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
You are posting me on m c M.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Like what she's doing what the young people call staying
low and buildings ride.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And shot the ground.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Damn right?
Speaker 7 (08:28):
How is she?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
You look at her in his yellow dress po po.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Wow, that would be a New York and Company dress.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
What she's a supporter?
Speaker 7 (08:40):
She is a supporter.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Dat need to go to New York Company.
Speaker 8 (08:42):
I know you was doing it like this jumpsuit as
well from the latest collection.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
I can't.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
How many job as per my prenup A lot?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yes, I love it, I love.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I love it. I got it.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
We all start at the beginning. We'd be doing Boss.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
We going go in.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
I didn't know he was going in on the Mary
Jane because I was gonna Okay, so because you were, so,
can we start at the beginnings of Mary Jane and
maybe just move around? So the casting process, because we
were talking about it already, you were I know you're
all in correct, like from the inception, not from the inception.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
Season three is when I became an executive producer, so
I had more say so. So the first couple of seasons, no,
I would you would show up to work and.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Be like, oh, you're here today? So this post this
is post Omari, which can we just say?
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:43):
So I wish I had to I could take credit
for Amary, but I cannot.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
Yeah, that was that was mar and Salem.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
But Elie Marris Chestnut, who we will see in the
series finale.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
More.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Oh, there's more.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I have to make it sad with series finale and.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
The series finale, how many okay, how many episodes are
you doing for the final season?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Don't give me this, it's.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
A series finale film. So we started off the show
with a movie. Yeah, two hour movie and we're ending
the show with a two hour movie.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
Yeah, I'm The last episode was Michael Eely being like
fucking up and then you being like I want oh,
so it's more okay.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
And then I wanted just to, you know, make it
a little saucy. So I was like, mo, you come,
will you come work with us for a little bit?
Speaker 7 (10:32):
And he was kind enough to agree.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Decisionsses you just know walking out.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
No.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
I mean, if if it was up to us, we
would have done more. But you know, things things have
changed a bit of always do a network things.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I was just.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
Oh, I didn't sign in DA.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
They had to make room for what episodes of Rebel.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Misunion did not signd noting for Cosby, So wait says
you didn't. Was there a problem with this storyline? Was
that the real issue? Because it's like so many issues.
Rumors about why there was the whole suing would be.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
You can't sue for a storyline.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
It was like a lot of different things like, well,
she wants more control, she wants more controlled of creative.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
How much more control can you have than being executive producer?
Rumors I don't read blogs, so I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Neither I only know like headlines what I see for No,
and I thought it was super clear.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
Why dude, I don't know how it could have been misinterpreted.
Speaker 8 (11:36):
No, we made it a financial agreement, and a lot
of what a lot of networks will do is they
will try to combine seasons. So if you make it,
say you get a raise from seasons three to four
and four to five. The way a lot of networks
will save money is by combining have a super size six. Yeah,
(11:58):
So when they do that, everybody loses money. Well that
the cast, the crew, everyone loses money that way. So
until someone takes a stand like I did legally and
say no, we had a you know, we had a
legal agreement each episode each season was going to be
no more than thirteen, no less than eight, and you
can't do that. You have to pay me as individual seasons,
(12:19):
including my races. So I just sued them to get
them to do what they said, what they agreed to.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
But that was it.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Everything else, and that was that what happened with the show,
because I mean, the ratings were good from what I understood,
I mean, is that actually why they stopped the show?
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Well, you know, corporate is corporate. They wanted a certain
amount of it did become an expensive show, I mean
for for b ET and I guess they wanted.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
More of a return. I guess. Uh so that was
that was that.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
But these same people that you negotiated with coming in,
are they the same people.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
That No, No, there's been some regimes since yeah, since
we first.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Show like that as well to a regime.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
So so yeah, there's some people who made promises and
then by the time those promises were it's time to
pay the piper, it was like, oh no, bitch, no,
So this twenty episode season four, come on?
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Now?
Speaker 6 (13:17):
So how does that work with your relationship with like
because you were the BET Honors person as well, like
you were, so how does that work? Like you do
keep it separate? I can't remember if you stopped after that?
Speaker 8 (13:26):
It all stopped just because I'm not a host, So
I'm like, I'm an actor, So you know, why am
I taking a job from somebody who wants to be
a host or who needs another job. I don't need
all the checks, I mean, as per the prenup, I don't,
So I just kind of thought it was time for somebody.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Else to have a shot at it.
Speaker 8 (13:43):
It was a great pig and a great paying gig,
and yeah, like it's let somebody else have a shot. Yeah,
I mean, but we would have continued on. Everyone in
the cast wanted to come back. Everyone loved the show,
We loved the show runner, we loved being in Atlanta.
It was not a tough show to do. We would
shoot two episodes at a time, so it was tough
(14:03):
to shoot. But we like the people, we like the storyline.
So yeah, no, I definitely didn't have any problem with
the story. You know, the storyline that and I had
a ton of power, so and I was paid very well.
I can't can complain about that, but I do complain
with my money. Gets funny. I don't mess with anybody
else's money and I don't expect anybody else to fuck
with mine.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
So that's why I own my own network. We can
rebooth me and Mary Jane on the Sugar Network having
an Instagram so on Instagram live. Okay, so if you
I don't know what the arrangement is, but is it
possible that you can just put it on ice for
a little Yeah, put it on ice for a little
(14:43):
bit and then go well, I mean it's.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
Been it's been what almost a year and a half, no,
maybe a year since we last aired our last episode,
and it's going to be another They're not going to
even air the movie until twenty nineteen, and we've been
done with the movie since February. It's just it's that's
a long time for an audience to wait and try
to stick with it. And then everyone else had got jobs,
(15:05):
and that was the other thing, Like when you when
you yeah, when you commit to pick up a show,
that means you can't the other the cast can't do
other things. But they're also not actually getting paid to
be on hold and not be able to do other things.
So I'm again, I don't mess with anybody's money. And
if we're not going to come back in a timely fashion,
then I'm not also not going to hold you hostage
(15:25):
for a Maybe that's not fair.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Speaking of that. The sister that plays your younger sister,
I was so I was so happy to see her,
yeah on the show on showtime.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Yeah she's on Smell. Yes, Yeah, she's on Smell. She's
killing it.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
She did, she does.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
She's even more involved in this second season. Really proud
of her. She's in the campaign my New York and
Company campaign for my line. She's she's back as as
a as a part of the Altogether Now campaign.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
So well, everyone loves her.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
She's dope in her storyline. I know a lot of
people like a lot of a lot of women related
to her.
Speaker 8 (15:56):
Storyline, and I think people will be interesting to see
how it resolves. Yeah, I feel like she's about to
be just an entrepreneur whin I.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Just you'll have to tune in to see in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Well, anything in the movie with any past loves from
this seasons before pop up?
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Well no, well you know what here I can tell
you because we wanted Omari to come back, but he's
filming Power.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Yeah, he was filming Power. Yeah, we were trying to
get him to come back.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
But I just feel like you spoiled it for me,
Like I at least wanted to.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
You wanted to, You wanted to think that he may
be coming, that he might be back. But then it's
also like and do what And she's had a lot
of past loves that were dope, Like I mean maybe
Gary Dr Daniel step back on the scene.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
No, he stop talking about what's a nice girl? From
moment on Nebraska doing Actually, you're I know a few
actresses from Oman Nebraska.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
There are a few.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
You're No, You're in the most successful.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
You're the one that we can watch in front of
our You're the no, no, the plenty there.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
Like such a graze, but I just not. I just
I was like, I know where porn stars are from,
and such a gray from.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Every black foreign actress that I personally know. It comes
from Omaha. Who I'm not naming names right now.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
All we can google.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
I mean, we had this conversation during the Heather hundred episode,
so go back and this.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Other hunter is not from am I was, okay, well
name the one who.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Name people. The man was.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Like the old school s. Wait, hold on, I have
Shirley shut up.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Just to class this up, this moment up. Kathy Hughes
is also from oh Well.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
Kathy Hughes is a family friend for my mom. Was
just at the big ceremony to honor Kathy. Her and
my mom were raised together by my grandmother, her, my godmother.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Best friends.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
What was what was your household like.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Oh h in Omaha or when we moved to the
bar area, because.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Also a lot of family Omaha as well.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Oh no, she's from She's from Iowa.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
He's from Iowa.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
Very Midwestern, but we have one of the largest black
families in the state of Nebraska and one of the
largest in the Midwest. Last year we had our hundredth
annual family reunion. We have the dozens of cousins Bryant
Fisher Family Reunion.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
The T shirts.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Every family, every branch has its own T shirt. So
there's like a T shirt wars to see who's got
the flyest T shirts the best material. But we literally
have thousands of people in at our family reunion. We
have a we have a week's worth of activities. There's
a parade on Saturday. We got our own family drill team.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah. Yeah, oh no, it's a whole yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
No.
Speaker 8 (19:20):
So it's like it's very family oriented. You know, growing
up is you get into some trouble and people be
like you Bunny's baby, did you know that?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
They're like your nose?
Speaker 8 (19:31):
I'm like, you saw me when this Mickey's big now
and it was my nostrils that gave it away. Is
that what you're trying to tell me? So it's very
everyone knows everybody. The North side of Omaha is all blacks,
where Malcolm X is from. But everybody knows everybody, so
it's just very family oriented. We're going, uh Friday, We're
(19:51):
taking the boys to Nebraska, starting in Omaha and then
going to Lincoln for the home opener. And just by chance,
I'm a massive obviously Cornhusker fan, but Nebraska Cornhuskers offered Zaire,
our oldest son, his first college scholarship. So it's just
by chance. They offered it to him last week and
we're we were going anyway.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
So is it in his top how he feels about it?
Is his first one?
Speaker 8 (20:15):
I mean, he's going into his junior year, so there
may be more. Hopefully there's a whole have a ton
of offers, but it's to me, it's special that Nebraska
was the first school that stepped up to offer him.
And so we get to go see the sea of
Red on Saturday, and so he gets to see I
have a sense of you know what, the sea of red.
So Memorial Stadium in Lincoln on football Saturday is the
(20:37):
third largest city in the state, so and everyone wears red.
So it's you walk in and it's a sea of red.
And our fans have been voted I think like every
year for the past, however, many years as the kindest fans.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
We're the kindest opposit.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Santa Claus.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
No, no, okay, every one's very nice.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
See it's Nebraska.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
It's just nice.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
I mean I go back now. We go to you know,
like lounges and packing packing store. I don't know if
you guys have packing stores. Got a package pack of stores. Yeah,
So you go sit in the parking lot of the
package store and drink and then you go across to
the lounge that is usually across from the pack of store,
and you it's like generational partying. So you might be
(21:26):
in there with your grandparents all the way down to
you know, your youngest cousins, and everybody just hangs together
and listens to the Bobby Boot plantat Look.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yes, cold records.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
You gotta remember, like all those all those acts from
Kansas City, Chicago. We were on that circuit and we
had to stop in Omaha to play to play.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Well it's closed now, but the theater in Omaha.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I've only been there once, but there's really great record
shops there.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
So in downtown.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Midwest is an untapped resource.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
They got good food there.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I never nobody talk about the food and oh my,
I just ran I like to eat.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
I was just, I mean, well, our family cooks, yeah,
but I mean in terms of like restaurant like Famous
Philly has.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
A cheese steak and this place has a dad. I
was like, we've got.
Speaker 8 (22:18):
Steaks, yeah, wow, yeah, your Godfathers and Valentino's pizza.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Wouldn't you make the move to La was.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
A college or to the Bay to My parents got
transferred at eight and they're both in telecommunication. So my
mom worked at pac Bell, my dad worked at AT
and T. So my dad got transferred and my mom's
job just transferred her. But my parents would send me
back just I'm the middle of three girls. I don't
know how they made these decisions, but they sent me
(22:47):
back to Omaha for three months, you know, every summer started, summer,
picked me up at the end every summer. So out
of all of us, I'm the one who has the
most connection still to Nebraska helped.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
What's the distance of the younger.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
And there's four years between me and my older sister
and then seven years between me and my little sister.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
So she was a mistake.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
She's clearly a mistake.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Make it.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I came seven years later after my yeah, that sounds
about right, as long as you know, I've got my
mom to ad minute. Yeah, I was like, come on,
like this still make no how is the devilcots baby?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Nobody's supposed to be here.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
So it was acting your uh, your initial goal in life.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
What did you no, that's it's not I never looked
at it as a real profession.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
It's like something.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Now.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
It's like in the back of my mind, I always
feel like I still need to know how to do
Excel and like spreadsheets.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Wasn't a sports person or no.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
No, no.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
I wanted to be a lawyer like my older sister.
I wanted to be, you know, a defense at and
fight for the underdog. We have some a number of
family members in the criminal justice system without great representation,
so I kind of grew up feeling like you had
to sort of, I don't know, be a part of
fighting the man, you know, and defending defending the defenseless,
(24:23):
the voiceless. And but that came from watching Perry Mason.
So it wasn't like my sister was a big Perry
Mason law an LA law fan, and so she was
sort of obsessed with being a lawyer. She's not a lawyer,
but neither one of us turned to law, but that
was sort of the plan. I was studying for the
LSATs when I got an internship at a modeling agency,
(24:44):
and then when that ended, they were like, would you
ever want to be one of like our girls?
Speaker 6 (24:49):
I was like, well, how much?
Speaker 8 (24:50):
How much is it you know pay? Because I was
working at the bookstore. I was a book by back
supervisor at u c l A.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Number Management.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I liked to that money from them buy back books.
It's worth forty dollars, the original Games.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Sixty about to give you four months and then sales
ship for four years.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, that was the same.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
I was the person where people were like, let me
talk to your manager.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
There.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, when did you graduate U.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
C l A ninety six? In nineteen ninety six? And
what is crazy?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
So wait, was were you there at that the Well,
our friend Tina Farris, one of my managers, y'all were
there at the same time at the same time.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
She was cooler than I.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
I was the book buy back supervisor and she was cooler.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
She was not a UCL okay, no, okay, no, I
was you know, even like supervising, putting us stamps on
like books, you.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
Know, living in North Hollywood, didn't even live in Westwood.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
DJ quick.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
No, I uh know.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
When I lived with like my ex boyfriend in North
Hollywood and no.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Is that was where were you listening to at that time? Gain,
I'm just curious.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
I was listening to quick No and a lot of
I mean mhmm at that time. It was because I
went from n tow ba to easy E a lot
of too short wrapping. Yeah, what else?
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Monica?
Speaker 8 (26:30):
I love Monica, love Brandy. I'm just wanting to think
of at that time, what else was.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The status quo of R and B. You know that
sort of thing like bottom hip hop actually named.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Monica pretty much, you know the status quo? So how
did you officially jump in the pool of acting?
Speaker 8 (26:57):
So when my internship ended and they asked if I
wanted to be presented by them, and they said I
could make one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Dollars a day minus twenty percent, I.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
Was like shit, I was making six dollars and sixteen
cents an hour after three raises at the bookstore. So
I was like, well, I'm not going to give up
my study gig, but if you think I could get
work as a model, I guess. And then the first
day they sent me out on a go see. I
booked the first thing for teen magazine. It was all
the top fashion magazines at the time, Teen all about you, sassy.
(27:28):
I don't know if you guys are familiar with that
I've seen, so I would be their editorial model. So
it would be like going through a rough breakup, twelve steps.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
To get you back on track. And I'm like, with
the word.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
That was my modeling those like on TV there, I
was like make love to the camera.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
Like no, it was literally like your boyfriend just broke
up with you, or you know how to talk to
your gun and collegist.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
And I'm like, it was model full of people because
when I photos, I hate, like my publicist watches their
arms are folded. Everyone has these looks on them and it's.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Hard to be.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
Not.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
At that time, it was like the cheesiest ship.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
Like my biggest gig was the it was the memorial
dape insert for Montgomery Wards Wow. And it was a
big fucking deal because we shot it out and on
them on a Santa Monica pre and I had to
ride a skateboard and and I had to like have
these glasses like, you know, dangling from my teeth, and
(28:32):
you know, it was a whole thing. But I was like,
I made a bitch.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Why do I go to U C l A.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
Like I used to go out on on go sees
for music videos. I never got chosen, like oh there's
always what didn't I audition for California Love video with
like five hundred of my closest friends and you had
to come. They always would always say come body conscious,
which basically means come like with your nipples out and
(29:01):
be prepared to move. I'm sorry, be prepared to move.
Come body conscious and be prepared to move. So I
come with my book at my modeling book with like
your boyfriend broke up with the picture and then like
my big you know, piece of me like on the skateboard,
you know, and I'm like here, Tupac, tell me what
you think. Luckily, he was actually really really sweet and
(29:22):
he took the time to look through my bullshit ass
book and then.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
He actually chose again not me.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
He was kind enough during the audition process to like
look through my book like that you hand them your
book and then they thumb through it or whatever and then.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
They put on you.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I don't know who.
Speaker 8 (29:38):
I don't know Whoupa, but he was in the He
was dead center, along with like his fifty cousins. And
then and everyone's just watching you dance, and I look
like a cricket having a seizure. I was probably like
fifteen pounds lighter, like just all elbow was the knobby
(30:00):
me And so I'm doing my sexy dance which just
was not.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Sucking California video.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
It was so bad. And I drove home in my
Miata like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Was killing it. Yeah, me and Terry and Terry Vaughn had.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
That was the drug girlfriend.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Because she had a moment for Terry Vaughn. Another one
who's black. Don't crack.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
She's she's gorgeous. We've been friends for so long. She's
also from the band. She's from Hunter's Point.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
You can hear it. You can hear her. Accid called
the show.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
So no, so okay, So didn't get the California Love
video didn't get Oh, I was pinned. So this means
I was very close to a three for a three
T video.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
You obviously not.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I was pinned.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
I started spending that chuck at contemple casual.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Doesn't remember three three They were Tito Jackson's three sons.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Yes, they had a lifetime reality show about a year
or two ago.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
They did know. They had that one jam Anything for You? Also, Michael,
they did why that was?
Speaker 6 (31:27):
It was?
Speaker 7 (31:27):
That was the song they had that.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
It was like one you know Michael Jackson video.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Oh no, well, well, ishh. I was pinned.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
That one of them.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
They Kim Kim at the time she was They went.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
To prom Kim Kim car card dash. Okay, he loved
your hesitation. I didn't know. I know, Okay, I love that.
The first one you think of when you hear Kim
thinking Kim Fields. I'm like, nig wasn't.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Women That's right, the fucking Field.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, I was. Yeh the kid. That's the kid I
acknowledged first. She's still the primary studio. Yeah, tot.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
But no.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
So when I was desperately wanting to be a video vixen,
I would no one would choose me. I was no
one's idea of a video vixen. But then when I
started booking more jobs, and then then people start coming
out of the world work. So the first major job
I did was from Mark Nelson fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yo, it was in fifteen minutes.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Oh god, the orgasm grow what I had an orgasm
button on my back.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
I was like a robot, like a sex robot kind
of thing.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
The treatment was wild video.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
It was I had ffteen minutes and going to get
up in it, just come and break. He had pretty
much Billy Wood Driff directed it. Yes, they did all
start the relationship.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Didn't like that in your neck?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
How do you know that?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Because I knew I had Listen, man, this was beating beat.
Look bro this. I did not have the.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Chocolate Mood album because funck that. But listen. That was
the butter Loove era of all. Yes, that was when
all those things had that same heat, like it was Butterlove.
And then fifteen minutes and I Belong to You by Wrong.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
It was like, all O, my god, it was all
those records scene.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
This is earth, right, this happened on Earth? What year
was this ninety eight? Like because minutes it was like
ninety you know what?
Speaker 7 (33:50):
It was the same day we shot the video.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
The same day the JFK Junior died whatever the plane
the plane yeah, whatever day that was was the day
we shot that fifteen minutes video.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Man?
Speaker 7 (34:03):
But no, don't stop there, don't stop there, Let's go.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Yeah, it was an R and B princess. Y'all didn't know.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
I did the Uncle Sam video.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Wait wait did I go?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
That was? See You Again?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Is that the one?
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (34:20):
So I start off as a kid and I'm a
dancer and then like it's like we fall in love
as kids and then like and then like I.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Come back as an adult person and we're in life.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
You drank some milk and then you forget the treatment.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
But that was directed by Darren Darren Grant. Darren Grant
who also directed me in a dark and lovely commercial.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Starring Usher Wow.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
Before Usher and I did She's All That Together, It's
a It's a very small world.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
I did a Montel Jordan video where I was a bride.
I did I Love My Chick. I did Paradise Paradise
neo video and Independent well.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Yeah, and then it just wasn't Independent.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
I was like yeah independent, yeah, wow, No, one's just
in a while though, since I got a little long
in the.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Tooth, I mean, would you still do it? If somebody?
I mean, I'm sure people would they knew you were open?
I mean for the right artist.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
I yeah, but who is that? Who is the right
and who who would you.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Come back for? Who would you come back the video?
Do a video for that?
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Wouldn't care one way or another.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
I would.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
I would listen. Bruno Mars is a sexy little thing.
It is a sexy little thing. Him and those band,
the band we had a we had a legendary dance
off at It was at an Atlantic Records party at
the Chateau and it was like me Serena Williams, A J.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Johnson from having.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
And we we battled Bruno and his band members.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Wow, I believe one.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
It's like literally recreated the dance battle and that's fucking dope.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
And that was my time in R and B.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
We thank you for your sam salts. I'm not saying
all tonight, it's all tonight. Yeah, your fifteen minutes wouldn't
have been saying without your contributions, Gabby, thank you.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
I would I.
Speaker 8 (36:26):
Would still like I like whenever I go see new
Edition and they'll be like, yeah, will you come on stage?
I'm like, no, yes, off, Ralph and Johnny are coming
back and all the day are.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
You hovering.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
After Well, I mean by that time you were also
doing television, TV and movies and stuff as well.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Like what were you doing?
Speaker 8 (36:53):
I started off with Saved by the Bell, the New Class.
I actually did that twice. They were like, no one's
gonna remember, like the first time I was Mistletoe Girl
number two to the first time I went on the
show was total new new cast, the newcast, but mister
Belding and Screech were still on.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
What was the what was the Hollywood shuffle like in
ninety nine two thousand?
Speaker 6 (37:14):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (37:15):
Like you Well, for us, like we used to see
the same five six girls in every for every role,
it'd be me, Melinda Williams, Bianca laws In Sona, Zoe Saldana,
Carrie came a little bit later after say the Last Dance.
But yeah, we would just be in the same rooms,
(37:37):
you know, all Reagan Gomez. We would just see the
same people and then people would get picked off get
a show, and then the group would ebb and flow
depending on who was working. But we've all kind of
just stayed working, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
So is it a matter of hang? I mean, was
it were you click? Is you're like, oh, how you
don't or was it.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
Well, like we have you know, like we have our
crew that we hang out with, so like me, Sonah,
Regina King, King joins us on occasion haul you know,
Essen Sadkins, Robin Lee, So we have our own sort
of crew. But everyone's cool. I mean at this stage,
it's like whatever. Back in the day, it could be
a little caddy at times, just because you have this
(38:19):
idea there's only so much work.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
It's only one black girl in that white girl, white comedy,
romantic comedy.
Speaker 8 (38:25):
Except we came up in that time of WB and
upn what there was a lot of opportunity, So that
wasn't really our shit, Like everyone had an opportunity to
kind of shine, and every pilot season there were more.
So it was just a fucked up attitude to have
just on some general.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
You a brave shit on that because you've spoken about
that for a while.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
I mean I talk about it.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
I try to talk about it as often as I
can because we kind of like to think of it.
I think of it as young girl shit when it's oh,
motherfucker shit too, like men and women, this idea that
there's only so much I've got a horde at all,
I've got to try to dim your life with the
idea that somehow the sun is going to shine.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Than abundance. Yeah, like you got a hold onto something.
Speaker 8 (39:07):
When there's enough, favorite, there's enough for everybody. Everybody's bills
are paid, you know.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
I think the first time I saw you speak on
that was that the special, the Oprah Special with the
General the women from different generations of Black Hollywood were
like Alfreed and all them, and there was like a
whole crying moment for everybody that was watching because you
It was like an honest moment because most of us
can admit, yeah, I was a bitch, but you know
what I learned from that, and I ain't doing that shit,
no mo.
Speaker 8 (39:30):
Yeah, no, I mean And because it started with the
Essence uh, the Essence Awards, where I got the Fell
the Fierce and Fearless Award, and I was like, I
don't want to get up there and just say a
bunch of randomized cliches shit in this room of women
that I've known for twenty years. I want to be honest.
At this point, what the fuck do I have to lose.
I've reached the bottom. I've gone from it girl to
(39:52):
shit girl. So many times it's like whatever, I want
to try to say something actually fierce and fearless. And
I just got up there and I told the truth.
You were very specific like in this, you know, and
it's like, if you're not going to tell the truth,
what the fuck is a point? And if I haven't
survived some shit and come out the other side, and
I can't say, Okay, for everyone who's been through this,
(40:14):
this is how you get to the other side. This
is how I healed, this is how I change, this
is how I evolved, This is how you can too.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
It's just we don't generally do that.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
And what was that? What was what were you referring?
Just for people so well.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
I mean I touched upon a number of things and
that's piece.
Speaker 8 (40:30):
But the thing that sort of caught a lot of
people's attention was I was like, you know, I basically
wished ill on a lot of people, thinking that it
was somehow going to make my light shine brighter. You know,
it's it's really very crabs in a barrel type of
mentality some girls, some people call it mean girl mentality,
(40:50):
except mean girls become mean women, you know, mean boys
become mean menu and it affects every Yeah, it affects
every you know, industry and every relationship, every city, every town.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
It's that same ship.
Speaker 8 (41:03):
There's only so much so I got to try to
tear you down in the hopes of building myself up.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
And that's just bullshit. Well it was.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
It was a year I got divorced, my show got canceled,
and some weird random ship racist should happened at this
like within this same like two week span, and I
was literally under my bed. I had crawled under my
bed and my dog, Babba God rest is soul, Bubba
like looked under the bed like, bitches, this is what
(41:32):
we're doing.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
And you know, sometimes you.
Speaker 7 (41:35):
Just got to see yourself reflected.
Speaker 8 (41:36):
And I mean, at this point it was some things
else my dog's eyes, and I was like, damn it,
I forget. I'm this is this might be my breaking boy,
this might be rock bottom that the dog is like fuck.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
And so I called A J.
Speaker 8 (41:49):
Johnson and she was my life coach and trainer and
she got me all the way together and the first
session she said, let's put together your happy list. And
I was like, and I'm you know, I'm going through
this divorce. It's public it's you know, you feel like
a failure, like everything that comes with public failure. And
(42:10):
I'm and she we're boxing, so I'm trying to hit
the heavyweight bag and she's like, tell me, tell me
three things that you that that are on your happy list,
and I'm like, I couldn't think of My mind goes blank.
I couldn't think of anything that actually made me happy.
So finally I was.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
Like, real butter.
Speaker 8 (42:30):
I said, real butter, ground beef and imitation crab and
that's what she said. And she said, bitch, the real
thing isn't even what makes you happy. Come on, and
she said, no, wonder you're getting divorced. You don't know
what makes you happy. How the fuck do you think
someone else is going to know how to make you happy?
And I was like, you know, as Oprah says, she
(42:52):
has like aha moments, I have moments, and that's what
got me started on the path to like different, Like
I know, I don't want that, so it can only
go up at the fucking bottom, Like I don't have ship,
I have no pride, I have no ego. I just
I just don't want this. I don't want to feel
like this. I don't I don't want to move like this,
(43:13):
so I haven't.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
I'm cool with butter though it's laundering, it's still on
my happiness.
Speaker 7 (43:20):
I like imitation crab.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
It's affordable.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I'm down with imitation crab.
Speaker 6 (43:25):
Cali suffering ship because.
Speaker 8 (43:28):
Now you're d m v oh, well, you guys have
access to like the world's best crab.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
So I understand. But I understand you know, don't you
live in I do. That's why I'm suffering over this
bitch in this claw meat, this imitation crab.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well, y'all got crustaceans out of here.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
Not the oysters. Oh, I mean they say it does it?
But I can't get to the.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Pass in terms of like yeah.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
Yet sorry, okay, let me do uh the slurping of that?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
So what reminds you of anyway? I was like, what
the where is this going?
Speaker 8 (44:12):
I mean, we're having a whole conversation and I don't,
like I wanted to know what the what the hurdle was?
Ye know, I can just the slurb It's just the block. Okay,
So you want to tell honest, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
I'm not really sure with that. On my I have
a bad gag reflects and anything that's of that texture
and that consistency that hits my throat. It makes me
a little you know what I'm saying. So so I'm
more of a before it gets there, you know what
I'm saying, gonna.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
You must have a sound. You know what, I totally
forgot about other themes? Thank you? Like you just reminds me.
Speaker 6 (44:54):
She's also sweating now because the kind of talk makes her.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
You're a spitter.
Speaker 6 (45:03):
I was being poetic.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Should try Okay, So Gabby, I know you're probably gonna
instantly regret this, but no, no, no, So talk about
like just when you're going through your your divorce from
your was that your first marriage?
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Okay, what what did you learn and going through your divorce?
Hm hmm, Like what do you think? Well, first off,
what do you think led to the divorce?
Speaker 7 (45:34):
Self esteem?
Speaker 8 (45:35):
Yeah, Like even looking at him as a reasonable option
was some O bullshit. Like if I was in a
better place, I would have said, oh, you were fun
to hang out with and drink with in Jacksonville, you know,
one week and that was fun and.
Speaker 6 (45:49):
That's where it should stay.
Speaker 8 (45:51):
But because he showed interest and I had, you know,
my self worth was quite low and I defined being
worthwhile and being validated by being chosen.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
I was like, this is totally reasonable, this, this will work.
Speaker 8 (46:06):
And so, you know, a few months after I met
him and he proposed it felt reasonable, like we'd never
spent more than a weekend together, and it he asked,
and this idea. You know, when you're in your twenties,
you have this idea of by the time I'm twenty six,
I'm going to be married and I'm gonna have a kid,
and I'm going to do this, this and this. You
(46:26):
have all these ideas and shit. And so I was
at that age where all my friends from home were
getting married, and I felt like he asked, and you
know this, who else is going to love me?
Speaker 6 (46:36):
Which your mom will said.
Speaker 8 (46:38):
You know what, I'm My parents are one of those
people that are like, I raised you with common sense.
If you choose not to use it, that is on you.
Don't ask us for shit.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Wow. So they didn't give you a read on him
either way, Like they didn't.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
My dad is like, if he drinks dark liquor, he's
okay by me.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Oh no, yeah, were you.
Speaker 8 (47:01):
The first time? I was twenty eight, twenty second time,
forty one?
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (47:08):
Give me praise. Okay, hope, I'm sorry when I get it.
When I get it, wherever it comes, I take it.
Thank you. Yeah, shut up.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
You don't know my pain. I really do. Trust me.
You on this couch every week listening audience knows your pain. Yes,
we really know it.
Speaker 6 (47:24):
Back again.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Now you're in l A.
Speaker 6 (47:27):
You know I got something good. We're gonna see what happened? O.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah, yeah, you booed up now thanks to lement.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
Hey buddo.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
So l ma Yeah the escorts service. Yeah. I was like.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
Some time that.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Song that was big.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
I don't know that was like after Night.
Speaker 8 (47:52):
Only because it was an option on my I G
story if I wanted to, and I was like.
Speaker 7 (47:57):
Oh, what's boot up? Oh I've heard that on the radio.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
I'm spunning DJ. I just didn't care who's sang it.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Down?
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Did you when you were going through after after your
divorce whatever? Like, how long did it take for you
to try to re enter another relationship?
Speaker 6 (48:16):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (48:16):
So full disclosure, and because I talk about it in
my book, perhaps started before.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
A relationship ended officially.
Speaker 7 (48:27):
You like to have a solid plan before I existed.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
I respected. No one goes shopping for shoes with bare feet.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
I like that, and I will use that.
Speaker 7 (48:40):
I will not credit you.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, that would be so mad.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
He missed you saying that that would be.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
One for your book for my coffee.
Speaker 6 (48:50):
I was about to do a whole divorce exchange because
he's married again.
Speaker 7 (48:55):
Are you number two?
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Number two?
Speaker 7 (48:56):
Number two?
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I'm thirty nine.
Speaker 6 (48:59):
That first one was you.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I No, I didn't.
Speaker 7 (49:01):
You didn't.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
So my shit was like I was twenty, you were twenty.
I was twenty six and so and the thing it
really resonated with me when you said, you.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Know, you're looking at your people back home whatever.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
And it wasn't until I got much older that I realized,
like how fucked up that is to do, because like so,
I mean when I grew up at you know, I
grew up in a relatively small town. You know, it's
and I'm in the South, and in the South, like
we get started early. Like I got a homeboy right now,
like we both same age, and his kid is like
about to go to college, like or it's actually like
in college these niggas like in his twenties and shit,
(49:33):
and I'm thirty nine, you know what I mean. So
back when we were coming up, you were a success
story if you made it out of high school without
getting pregnant, Like I was in high school with girls
that you know, seven periods, so it's like, okay, well
I gotta go pick up my baby from the babysitter.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Like it was real like that.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
So when you look at it from then, it's like,
oh damn, twenty six or twenty seven or twenty eight
feels a lot older. And what it really is when
you're judging it against niggas that had babies at sixteen,
you know what I'm saying. But it's not until you
grow older and you go out and you actually see
ways of life. And like I remember time I came
out to the West Coast and I would meet chicks
(50:13):
and they be like yeah, so I was like, I'm
twenty three, how do you I'm thirty, and you know,
just so I'm gonna have kids one day, I was like.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
One day, like, bitch, my time, my kid's gonna be
out of the house.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
What your winners?
Speaker 2 (50:24):
One day? One day is today, some day is tonight.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
I love the same voice of yours, but it's like,
but you know, but you didn't, but I really didn't.
So when you say like, yeah, I really didn't know.
I just thought like by twenty six, again comparing it
to what we was seeing at the crib. By twenty six,
it's like, yeah, you get married, you have a kid,
fuck it. You know what I'm saying, because I had
(50:48):
my first son was twenty, I was twenty one, twenty,
I was in I was still in college, and you know, so, yeah,
I know what. I really didn't know. I didn't know
until it was afterwards and I was like, oh damn,
I shouldn't have did that.
Speaker 7 (50:59):
You know what I knew.
Speaker 8 (51:01):
So he had just proposed I had a very big
audition for Dawson's Creek up in North Carolina, Yimington.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
That's like two hours from my house.
Speaker 7 (51:12):
So I flew from Jacksonville.
Speaker 8 (51:13):
He was playing for the Jaguars, So I flew from
Jacksonville to Wilmington. Killed it didn't get it. Kind of
like being pinned for.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Listeners.
Speaker 9 (51:25):
Being pinned in my video days.
Speaker 8 (51:30):
They would put you know, they would check your avails
and they would pin you. Does not mean you got
an offer. That just means they're very interested in you.
I thought it was that meant offer. It just means
we're very interested it was like, it's a solid chance
you'll get this job or.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Not decided to take it.
Speaker 8 (51:50):
Yeah, if this was a spades hands.
Speaker 6 (51:59):
I'd be in queen.
Speaker 7 (52:04):
It's nice. Yeah, we have a spades tournament.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Have you lost a friendship or two?
Speaker 6 (52:10):
Over? My dad did not talk to me.
Speaker 8 (52:12):
So my dad was my partner before my husband, and
my dad.
Speaker 7 (52:17):
Likes to drink like our family.
Speaker 8 (52:19):
I come from a family of drinkers, so we drink
during most you know, social settings, and my dad had
it kind of got away from a little bit.
Speaker 7 (52:27):
The crown got a lot away from.
Speaker 8 (52:28):
Him, and he was he was talking and he wasn't
paying attention right, and he cut me. And I said
because I too had been drinking a little And I said, nigga, did.
Speaker 6 (52:43):
You cut me?
Speaker 7 (52:49):
And he pushed the table, like his chair out from
the table. He's like.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
How old?
Speaker 7 (52:57):
This was like a definitely grown.
Speaker 8 (53:03):
And he took me outside and he said, I don't
know who the fuck you think you are? Like he
he it was such a like an old nigga cuss out.
Speaker 6 (53:13):
Like you wish he wouldn't hit you because.
Speaker 7 (53:18):
Yeah, I was like.
Speaker 8 (53:20):
Yeah, no, but it's it's nice. So cut to Thanksgiving,
it was the first time me and d were playing.
We were partners. We were playing against my my dad
and one of my one of my friends and my
little sister. Fucking single Ladies comes on and my little
sister had had some lemon cello. Definitely, do not recommend
lemon cello at the holidays, thank you.
Speaker 6 (53:44):
I always use a reference. No one ever knows what
I'm talking about. O.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah, talking about.
Speaker 8 (53:47):
Danny DeVito went on the View after drinking a lot
of lemon cello.
Speaker 7 (53:51):
But George Clooney wasn't it the night before and he.
Speaker 8 (53:54):
Was still drunk the next day on the View and
it was it's genius, It's you can YouTube solid here.
So my little sister is hammered off at Limonicello and
she starts doing the single Ladies dance, but you know
the part where you go kind of down. She had
on a very low cut top, and my sister is very,
very very well endowed, and it was just titty's everywhere,
(54:17):
and everyone, like all the guys kind of started crowding around,
and my dad was like he kind of was looking
and then he hands my husband.
Speaker 7 (54:26):
His cards and he was like, I'll be back.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (54:35):
And that was a wrap on fucking Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (54:39):
He took her outside. All I heard was my little
you don't know me dad.
Speaker 6 (54:45):
I was like, obviously, obviously not.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, I would think that you are.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
I mean we often talked about, you know, game night eventually,
but then I realized that I feel like you're very
out for yes game night person, and that our friendship
might be on the line. Would yeah, we do.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
I fired people from game Night.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
I've fired employees, I've broken up with women I was
interested in.
Speaker 8 (55:16):
I don't know the game, Okay, it was just the
timing hasn't worked out.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I told you about like, yes, we had.
Speaker 7 (55:27):
Taboo League for years.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
League.
Speaker 8 (55:29):
We had league play and was guys against girls and
it was dou Lat Hill, Hill Harper, Sean Patrick, Thomas.
Speaker 7 (55:36):
Uh, they were just paper. So did a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
I know that you are, and I just don't think
they were the same. I love how you're connected. I
feel like you're the epicenter.
Speaker 6 (55:47):
Of Literally I'm a bridge for a lot of.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Your Like, yeah, you are a lot of random. You
are a nexus of Nikotrie.
Speaker 3 (55:59):
I'm changing name.
Speaker 6 (56:02):
My new I G The next.
Speaker 8 (56:08):
We had guys against girls and we the guys have
recruited Hill because he's a double ivy and blah blah
blah blah blah. So we recruited Robin Lee because she
too is it. Those were the double ivy. So we
recruited Robin Lee because she was a double ivy and
we needed people who could average eight or nine in
a taboo on a taboo round. That's how fucking serious
(56:30):
were I think, let's that sink in. Most people get four.
Speaker 6 (56:32):
We don't.
Speaker 8 (56:33):
We don't play. So what we started doing is having
taboo time. So it started with long drunken lunches that
would turn into dinners. But it was just so we
could spend time together so we would have better like
more references so for the game.
Speaker 6 (56:44):
And that's how it became friends with Robin.
Speaker 7 (56:46):
We didn't even know her.
Speaker 8 (56:47):
We just recruited her because we thought she was smart
and during these long drunken lunches to get to know
each other better. So like a perfect example, Robin would
be giving me the clue and she'd be like blank,
and the buddy man, I go echo. So that's how
good we got and we took on the ground.
Speaker 6 (57:04):
I'm sorry, I thank you, Bill.
Speaker 7 (57:06):
That was a slow clap.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
I saw the look your face.
Speaker 3 (57:11):
I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
She got mad at me if Man's Quest blamed it
to her. But okay, but you didn't. You didn't finishrselves.
When did you know? Like that? Your first one was, oh,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (57:24):
So, yes, the audition in Wilmington. So I had auditioned.
I was coming back and I had this little ring,
which it turns out.
Speaker 7 (57:31):
I had to pay for it later.
Speaker 8 (57:33):
Oh god, yeah, he was big payments on what shout
out to Reed's jewelry.
Speaker 7 (57:42):
Yeah, I had to pay that off from the doors.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (57:46):
So I came back and I was using his home
computer and do you remember I am.
Speaker 7 (57:52):
Yes, his boy, I am is him.
Speaker 8 (57:55):
He said, nigga, you still got that that uh that
Greek girl coming in this weekend.
Speaker 7 (58:00):
And this is like Thursday. I was scheduled to believe
the next day.
Speaker 8 (58:05):
And I was like, I don't think I could ever
be mistaken for a week, you know. So I'm like,
what what an say back?
Speaker 6 (58:22):
That was not coming back?
Speaker 8 (58:24):
You know, what's her name again? You know that's where
I gave my I gave myself up. So he alerted him.
So by the time he got home from practice I
had packed on my ship.
Speaker 7 (58:37):
It was all gonna be very dramatic.
Speaker 8 (58:38):
And I should have known when he literally had proposed,
you know, in a in a bucket of chicken, like
he had put my ring in.
Speaker 6 (58:53):
Kentucky, the Colonel.
Speaker 8 (58:56):
Kentucky and it was some potato wedges, and he he
had the nerve to like, you know, have like the
apartment lined in rose petals and then to the bedroom
and he was on on bended knee with a with
a with a box of KFC chicken wedges and chicken
and he had a wedge in his hand and he
was like was.
Speaker 7 (59:19):
It was? It was significant at the time. Now I
don't remember.
Speaker 3 (59:21):
I'm sure something that is up years ago.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah, was this the colonel?
Speaker 3 (59:33):
This wasn't like that old guy, right.
Speaker 6 (59:36):
He was a little darker.
Speaker 7 (59:37):
He was a lot darker.
Speaker 8 (59:39):
He used to cut the bottoms off his jeans. These
were subtle that I should have, you know, like adhere
to Yeah, because he didn't want to and he would
just cut him off and then like he'd wash them
so they would be afrayed like Jim from Huck Finn.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
Yeah that was before well it's cool now, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Because yeah, this was nine yeah, that was.
Speaker 8 (01:00:09):
And he had like bad tattoos, like bad dumb tattoos,
like he had this one with like a bulldog that
said slow yeo.
Speaker 7 (01:00:17):
Row guess how guess how role was spelled?
Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Now, the word is supposed to be roll like, but
he I take it didn't spell like our old w.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
H R.
Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Okay, did you try to gently let him know that
it might be misspelled.
Speaker 7 (01:00:44):
Or like I meant to do that? Well, I will listen.
Speaker 8 (01:00:50):
That was like that was just more of like how
I can explain these dumb ass tattoos. He had another
tattoo of black Jesus that looked exactly like Eric Beney,
so that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
You got the bad tattoos with slave capris on.
Speaker 6 (01:01:08):
So how many of these do you had before he
started calling? How many of which of the How long
can you talk about him like this before he started calling?
Speaker 8 (01:01:17):
Because he owes me a lot of money. So he's
in the book. Everyone's like, you didn't change his name.
I'm like, no, motherfuck owes me money. So I'm hoping
it gets.
Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
Back to him.
Speaker 8 (01:01:25):
NAIs where he ashamed and his new girl is like, enough,
give this bitch her money.
Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
Something that says.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Iris biscuits, gravy.
Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
Wow, Wow, can I have an acting question?
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
We're just all over there.
Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
So we're talking about all these auditions that you had,
did you didn't get picked for? However, there is like
a role that was a big deal I remember at
the time that you got and that was on Friends.
Oh yes, can you talk about that a little bit
in the process of struggling.
Speaker 8 (01:01:57):
So what was crazy is I had just been on
I was was regular on a show called City of Angels, right,
so on CBS. I was playing a surgeon, and Blair
Underwood was on the show and Hill Harper and it
was this amazing experience and we got canceled. Let's say
we got canceled on a Tuesday, and I got the
Friends job on a Friday. But the people associated with Friends,
(01:02:18):
not the actual cast, but the production I just thought,
I don't know if she was around as much, but yeah,
like the day to day people at that it was
like season one hundred and ten at this point. But
they thought I was just like some chick off the street,
like I had no experience, so they would be like, Gabrielle,
do you know where your mark is?
Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
They didn't even read J No. It was weird.
Speaker 7 (01:02:43):
So I was like yep, yep, wow.
Speaker 8 (01:02:46):
But it was this idea that like I don't know,
and I'd been in like I'd had how many number
one hit movies at that point, Like it wasn't like
I didn't I just came out of nowhere.
Speaker 6 (01:02:55):
But for that world, it was it didn't count. Did
the actors know who you are? Did Joey and freaking.
Speaker 8 (01:03:04):
In on the show. But I mean by that time
it was such a well oiled machine. They had gotten
it down to like a three or four day work week,
so you got in and got out. So no, I
wasn't really interacting with them in that kind of way.
Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
But were you the first black woman was used to
I can know, so.
Speaker 7 (01:03:17):
I usually came after me. I was like the experiment
to make sure like the.
Speaker 8 (01:03:19):
World and brought like the same role like where they
were fighting over. But I had made a joke on
the View. Everything happens at the View. I made a
joke at the View that I didn't realize I had.
I was the Rosa Parks of Mussy TV, you know,
kind of joking like how is it that you're in
like season nine in New York where there's like no
(01:03:43):
black people, Asians, anybody. And I got a call from
NBC and apparently someone had gone through every frame of
every episode and counted the black people with lines and it.
So they were like, I'm dead fucking and they were like,
what you can say is that you are the first
(01:04:04):
African American love interest on Friends.
Speaker 7 (01:04:07):
Bullshit.
Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
I still like I watched every episode.
Speaker 8 (01:04:09):
Sherry Shepherd. Cherry Shepherd worked at the museums that.
Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
Were she worked with. All right, that was one episode.
Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
I'm sorry. All right, yeah, man, okay, I have like
a lot of Bring It On questions. Well, I mean, so,
what was what was it like for you, like auditioning
for that?
Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
And like how did they see that?
Speaker 8 (01:04:33):
I didn't have to audition, so I'd done enough teen
movies and maybe they saw the Uncle Sam video.
Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
I'm not sure, Child to a Beautiful Swan.
Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
No, so I they'd asked me to be a part
of the table read for that, and at the time
the movie was called cheer Fever and all the changed that,
but most of us who did the table read ended
up doing the movie, and so by the time we
started filming it was called Bring It On. And the
toros came down like I want to say six seven,
(01:05:06):
eight weeks early to learn all the routines and everything
they gave me in Black, nine days to learn.
Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
Really it was like y'all got this, yeah, but it
was it sucked because like with for Black, they had
been on tour non stop, and they went right from
a tour where they were touring with en Sync to
filming and they.
Speaker 7 (01:05:26):
Were just over it all, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (01:05:29):
And they were exhausted, and so I had to put
my big sister draws on and I was like, let's
get some fake id's girls.
Speaker 7 (01:05:38):
Let's go to Tijuana.
Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Damn you.
Speaker 7 (01:05:44):
Now, I couldn't get them fake id's.
Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
It was.
Speaker 8 (01:05:45):
It was kind of hard in San Diego, but getting
across the border not so tough.
Speaker 7 (01:05:50):
Not so tough at that time. But we had a
fucking blast.
Speaker 8 (01:05:53):
Like it was the movie we all did because we
didn't get the cheerleading movie of our dreams. So like
the cheerleading movie that everyone thought was going to be
the big hit with Sugar and Spice, the cheerleading cheerleading
bank robbing movie.
Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
I remember moving is that four girls.
Speaker 7 (01:06:09):
There were like twelve girls.
Speaker 8 (01:06:10):
It was a gang, and none of them they were
like out of all of these roles, I'm like, not
one can be black, and they're like, ah, they're so no.
Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
Oh Mina sorvino yea.
Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
So we were all kind of.
Speaker 8 (01:06:26):
And then Kirsten wanted save the Last Dance and she
didn't get that. So it was kind of like the
Constellation Prize, you know, summer in San Diego filming, you know,
this cheerleading movie.
Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
And we just had a fucking blast.
Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
I love.
Speaker 6 (01:06:40):
Said Kirsten wanted to say the last Dance.
Speaker 7 (01:06:42):
Yes, Kirsten was up for save Last Dance.
Speaker 6 (01:06:44):
Julia got it.
Speaker 8 (01:06:46):
Yeah, but Julie, who I was friends with from Ten
Things I Hate About You. Yes, it was such a
small little teen world, but but yeah, we just had
it was like a bunch of fucking helliens and we
had a great time. Elijah Douche crew, great time, great girl.
Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
We had a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
And that was actually you doing all the because there was.
Speaker 7 (01:07:05):
No money for stunt double. But what you notice is
there's a lot of tight shots. I don't match anybody.
They're all doing the position. Ship in my ass is
like wait, what like if we were in the five Heartbeats.
Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
You'd be quaboy or yeah, it.
Speaker 8 (01:07:22):
Would have just been I definitely wasn't dressing.
Speaker 6 (01:07:25):
Now that's a combination. I'm not the group.
Speaker 7 (01:07:30):
I was like the fourth member of.
Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Okay, okay, okay, no wait is it time for.
Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Me?
Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
We used to have Q tip dance breaks and we
haven't done it and we only did it once was on.
Speaker 6 (01:08:03):
Yeah, that was the song we did it to, Don't
walk Away. He killed it.
Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Met from Jade in Chicago, like last year.
Speaker 7 (01:08:10):
Is that the Braces?
Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
She was the light skinned one braces?
Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
She was super cool? She was she was super cool.
Speaker 6 (01:08:18):
What I need to know?
Speaker 7 (01:08:20):
What?
Speaker 6 (01:08:20):
Like?
Speaker 7 (01:08:20):
What I need updates?
Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
She's I think she's living in Chicago, I think, and
she's just like writing and I think she's I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
She was cool, like I don't think she's still music, Yeah,
still in music. Yeah, she's she's chilling.
Speaker 8 (01:08:35):
I love when I see like you know from you
know and somewhere yeah, or just different, just they've segued
into something.
Speaker 7 (01:08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
I love that. We interviewed Patric Russian earlier. I felt that, yes,
everything forget.
Speaker 8 (01:08:53):
Me, but who's saying you make my love for them?
Speaker 6 (01:09:01):
She settled for your love, settle.
Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Forgive me, not forgive me and I want you to remember.
Speaker 6 (01:09:14):
But she's also with the music record for Mad Show.
Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Be doing too many references.
Speaker 7 (01:09:27):
I'm gonna give you a little time cut close.
Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Yea, we were singing at this morning. He was saying, well,
first we'll first cut. We were saying nobody, nobody, because
that's the thing like me.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
And then I brought up can I tell you all right?
We're just going all over the place.
Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
What honored was DJ and your wedding and the fact
that you reunited guide that was watch yo her wedding,
Oh my God, like coming to America lit like yes
she love.
Speaker 6 (01:10:05):
God love though, because that's inappropriate, right?
Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
What was okay? What was the wedding for us boundaries?
Speaker 6 (01:10:13):
That's like.
Speaker 7 (01:10:16):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
What was the jam? What?
Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
What was your winnings on? What was okay?
Speaker 7 (01:10:24):
Well we came we came down to John Legend.
Speaker 8 (01:10:27):
We had actually John no because that was the summer
of all of Me, So we switched it up. So
what we had was this old black man playing the
piano and he was started the beginning chorus of all
of Me, and we have John come out.
Speaker 7 (01:10:41):
And tap him on the tap him on the back.
I think I got.
Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
This, and then he who organized because it was like
a movie you.
Speaker 6 (01:10:50):
Of course, the executive producer.
Speaker 8 (01:10:56):
He does one on his shoulder and then and then
he'sted singing the with the other one.
Speaker 7 (01:11:04):
No, no, the other freaking song. Chrissy's in the video?
Why am I drawing a blank?
Speaker 6 (01:11:11):
She is all of me?
Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
It's not all of me? Uh, it's a piano ballot.
Speaker 8 (01:11:15):
Yes, And and he was like again, it was like
it was the hit after all of me.
Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
I was, I'm looking now, okay, So if it was.
Speaker 7 (01:11:31):
Drawing a blank, wait, this is editing is great.
Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
So all of me? Love me now, love me?
Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
Now you and I, you and I.
Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Isn't that?
Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
How does that she's in the video?
Speaker 7 (01:11:48):
Is that how it kind of starts?
Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
You want to.
Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
I don't. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
I don't know the beginning.
Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
I just know because it's one on the list after him,
after that one on on his Wikipedia page.
Speaker 7 (01:12:01):
So yeah, that's it's one of those.
Speaker 8 (01:12:04):
So he comes in and plays and then yeah, so
then we did everything in sections, so we had that
part of the beginning part of the wedding. You know,
we came out and there was like the Coming to
America dancers that came over this hill and you know,
and then he comes out and I come down, and
then and then the reception. We come into the wedding
(01:12:24):
reception to Calid and uh uh Luda. All I do
is when when when we but Luda did his verse
as we were like walking in, it was there. And
then uh so as we were leaving the reception, we
had a big choir, a big black choir that started
singing God, and they led us from the reception into
(01:12:49):
the jute joint.
Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
So we did.
Speaker 8 (01:12:52):
Basically the nobody know that the upper room you watched
them movies, justus, motherfucker. So we walked we they walk
us in and so they burst through the doors, you know,
(01:13:12):
the crier burst to the doors and guy, I forget
what their first the first thing they were playing it
was it would either been piece of My Love grove
me I like one of their face. We do only
negotiated four songs and then somewhere in the middle of
the set, Aaron Hall said, uh, I know ya, I
want to hear it's the Maarn Hall and.
Speaker 7 (01:13:33):
Teddy Riley was like, what the fuck? Teddy?
Speaker 6 (01:13:37):
And Teddy and Teddy.
Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Riley and Damien.
Speaker 7 (01:13:43):
They got up, walked, they left the stage.
Speaker 8 (01:13:46):
Aaron performed, then they came back saying their hits, their
Black Street hits, and we ended up getting like the
ten songs because your set started late.
Speaker 6 (01:13:55):
Two songs, because how many songs? You don't be afraid
and I miss you.
Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
Find out he did get a little freaky tonight, get
a little for you to me would get a little
fig with all the places I would you, Yes, I
know your R and B.
Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
No, I don't know. I don't know who are you?
Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
You know what it is.
Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I think being Steve. I think being being in.
Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Voodoo jail for five years just totally took us.
Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Out of commission. I missed all the greasy R and
B I did. We were listening to some pretty good
from ninety five to two thousand.
Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
We were stuck in the Times Ship two thousand, Yeah,
that was.
Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
That good army. When Niggas was singing with water on their.
Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Chest twelve.
Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Next yet next, Yeah, ideal and profile and all of that.
Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
I said, I almost wow, Wow, I ruined it because
I did not have or nor did I know uh uh.
Speaker 7 (01:15:03):
Brod was making suggestions.
Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
I didn't have hot boy.
Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
But oh yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Was like damn near all the cavaliers and Kevin Hart
like yo, play play hot boy and I'm like I
was like baby, and.
Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
I was like you need a hot boy?
Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Yeah, that's where I was. And I was like they
just looked at.
Speaker 7 (01:15:26):
Me like and I want the Spinners.
Speaker 8 (01:15:28):
Like so it's like we had You know, this is
what happens when you marry a man almost ten years
you know, ten years younger, and then his teammates are
like almost ten years younger than him.
Speaker 7 (01:15:38):
Oh you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (01:15:39):
So that's frustrating a little bit. It can be.
Speaker 7 (01:15:42):
Because I was like, so, who wants to come to
the Hall of Oates concert.
Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
I'll go to a Hall of those concerts.
Speaker 7 (01:15:49):
I just made him come with me, maybe like a
month ago.
Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
He knew the songs, he just didn't know how much
he loved them to know.
Speaker 8 (01:15:56):
Him because I forced him to listen, like in the
car like he knows the Spinners because I've forced him
to listen to it. But I'll be like, who is
this freaky valley in the four seas?
Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Yes, I've given up that battle oh with with your yeah,
because you're dating your younger She don't.
Speaker 6 (01:16:14):
She's a little young like she I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
There's a three in the left digit of her age.
Speaker 6 (01:16:22):
She looks good.
Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yeah, she looks good.
Speaker 11 (01:16:25):
You said, I'm sorry, Yeah, to.
Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Bring her out a bit on myself.
Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
No, I know.
Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
I don't want to bring on the show because everything
ain't for sale. Yeah, you do. Got to bring around
your family. You got to bring around man.
Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Yeah, got.
Speaker 6 (01:16:47):
You at your countertops. You don't know she's a sister
to Sorry, No, I would put that together. That's not news,
nigga is don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
That's the perception in your head.
Speaker 7 (01:17:01):
Okay, Well only because I know.
Speaker 8 (01:17:05):
I mean, he has dated a couple of my friends
and they are both black.
Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Yeah, so yeah, dog again, there must be.
Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
I've only known him twenty some years. What do I know?
Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Because I don't let you know everything.
Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
I know. You hide him. It's good, haide this one,
and I like her.
Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
I'm not hurting nobody. I just he wasn't hiding you.
Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
I'm from.
Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
I wouldn't hide you from the world.
Speaker 6 (01:17:35):
I was heard had the world from you from Drake talking.
Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
About it's falling off. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
This is perfect shooting the ship with Gabriel Union. This
is fucking dope, yo, I really think, man, I don't know,
like because because I'm not I mean I watched like
your moving up, but like I don't I don't follow
like the gossip blogs and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
So I really didn't know that much about your life.
Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
I hated the scripts and I didn't know.
Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Yeah, I just feel like.
Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
This is a side of you that people don't get
to see because, like you know, if.
Speaker 8 (01:18:14):
You follow me or you are like even marginally around
right now, like I usually have a cocktail or scientist dump.
Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Yeah, okay, look, need you getting pulled over? I don't
want to slightly open a door, and we have a
limited time left, so you know, I do want to
talk about, uh what's happening now?
Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
I was like, well as far as no, no.
Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
No, I mean, because I know that you're you're for
a while, there was a sisterhood gathering of the me too.
Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
Oh.
Speaker 8 (01:18:54):
I was like, wait, what, I don't know what you're
talking about our group chat.
Speaker 7 (01:19:00):
In the group chat, sir, No, okay, I.
Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Didn't go there, but I just mean, like, yes.
Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Where at the time when you guys were you know,
where it was deep into Harvey's situation and whatnot. There
was like okay, let's take action rosters. And now it's
like four or five months later. Has anything significant come,
(01:19:26):
you know, from the gathering or is.
Speaker 8 (01:19:27):
It just like I think because it made the conversation
so much wider, you know what I mean. I've been
doing this work for shit. I've been out about being
a sexual assault survivor for almost twenty five years, you know.
To Ronna Burke, she's been you know, in the movement
ground you know, ground floor for fifteen twenty years. So
(01:19:49):
for those of us who've been doing the work, it's
not a new conversation, but trying to reach as many
people as as we as needed to be reached who
needed help, healing and justice. We just weren't reaching as
all the people that needed us. So with the Times
of Movement and Me Too movement, the conversation is worldwide,
(01:20:14):
so people are are feeling strengthened and heard and seen
to be able to share their their truth and some
of that. Sometimes that leads to justice, Sometimes that leads
to a safer work environment. Sometimes it leads to having
conversations where people know it's like please don't pull your
(01:20:35):
dick out, like not appropriate, not appropriate? In the office,
like I don't want to be making copies with your
dick next to me, like stop it. So it's starting
to help people police themselves in work environments of what
is reasonable and what is unreasonable because so much of
so much unreasonable behavior was not even spoken about. You
(01:20:58):
just took it, especially if you were in a subordinate position,
and so everyone thought that shit was normal, And it's
not normal.
Speaker 7 (01:21:04):
It's never it never has been.
Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
So now that the conversation is more out there and
people know that there are consequences to the bullshit, it's
starting to help people behave a bit better and people
know that there are consequences.
Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Do you feel a personal like uh difference in it
or is it just people saying Okay, I'm sorry, I
mean that. Don't you know, Like are they slow to
joke around you or anything.
Speaker 8 (01:21:30):
I think there's slow to joke period, like inappropriate jokes,
like even in Hollywood, where I mean we make a
living off of, you know, inappropriate things and being able
to be free sort of. But there's a there's a
there's a line between being funny and being racist. There's
a line between being funny and subjecting your coworkers to
(01:21:50):
your fucking dick. There's a line between like offering opportunity
and offering opportunity.
Speaker 6 (01:21:56):
Coupled with your dick, Like there's.
Speaker 8 (01:21:59):
A fucking difference, and like this gray area that people
keep like, but what about it? It's like, no, motherfucker,
you know, this isn't like rocket science. You've just known
that so many other people have gotten away with it,
and now we're just not letting everyone get away with it.
And there's still so much more work to be done.
And there's because there's so much anytime someone comes out,
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this idea that victims become fucking famous for telling their
truth is bullshit, And nobody wants to be famous for
this shit. You want the shit to stop. You want
to be able to go to work, do your shit,
create cool shit, and go the fuck home, you know
what I mean, Like you don't want to be followed
or harassed or subjective to bullshit. You want to do
your shit and get the fuck home. And I think
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now people are a little bit more conscientious of the
shit that's probably actually in their you know, rule books.
You know they know where the HR department is if
they didn't before.
Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
How do you think the Asia R Gentle situation is
affecting it or what effect do you think you will
have on the movement.
Speaker 7 (01:23:00):
I think it's it's.
Speaker 8 (01:23:02):
It's it's unfortunate that she took a leadership position knowing
she had she had hurt a child. So in that sense,
she's hurting her herself, and she hurt because she hurt
a child, and she's paying a consequence.
Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
For the record, she's categorically denying that that happened.
Speaker 8 (01:23:23):
The video, the picture, she she admitted that ship and
you know.
Speaker 6 (01:23:35):
So down did we have to do like I mean,
not we, but amongst the women in the leadership, does
that have to be a conversation of all right girl?
So y'all good? Right. The thing is, it's a leadership.
Speaker 8 (01:23:44):
It's a leaderless movement, except there are people who are
sort of elective elected by If you're doing an interview,
you know, for your movie or whatever, and somebody asked
you a question about you know me too and times
up then and I and I answer it, they'll be
like Gabrielle Union leader of you know, I'm like, no,
I'm answering question. But because you know, she was, she
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was sort of putting herself in a position of leadership
because like.
Speaker 6 (01:24:10):
Rose McGowan is a face that you might say, Okay,
I know it's not a leadership, but she is definitely
a face.
Speaker 7 (01:24:14):
She's she's she's very much in the forefront.
Speaker 8 (01:24:18):
So yeah, so you would think if you are going
to be in the forefront, that you shouldn't make payments
to you know, to.
Speaker 6 (01:24:26):
A you know, damn it, tunging around with a kid.
Speaker 8 (01:24:30):
But no, I mean, and and also that hurt people
hurt people, you know, not all not obviously not all
hurt people hurt people, but you know, unfortunately, sometimes you know,
people who have been abused go on to abuse other people,
and at some point we have to be accountable for
our behavior and face consequences.
Speaker 6 (01:24:49):
Do you really think now that we now we're talking
about the resurgence of Louis k and whatnot, and when
it comes to Hollywood, because maybe on you know, in
other industries, I feel like there may be more consequences,
but in Hollywood it seems like, let's just give it
six months or let's give it a year, just lay back. Yeah,
I mean, I mean, maybe Kevin's I'm thinking.
Speaker 8 (01:25:10):
I think that's a wrap for him. Yeah, I mean,
he got a standing ovation, so if you were, if
you were one of the chicks that.
Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Oh yeah, I heard it on his new his stand
up or he did a set.
Speaker 8 (01:25:24):
So I mean, what I you know, just from social media,
that's just what I've I've been when I'm not tweeting
the boy from to all the boys I've loved before.
Speaker 6 (01:25:35):
Yeah, no, I I I.
Speaker 8 (01:25:37):
Saw that he went up after being gone with eight
months and got it before he spoke a word, got
a standing ovation. So just thinking from the space of
one of the five women. Out of five women, he
asked all five if he could masturbate in front of them.
Three said no, two said yes, but there were women
(01:26:02):
who said no, I'm cool no and still proceeded to
do that. So if you're one of those women, and
then when they went on to talk about him masturbating,
he derailed their careers. So that's your career. That is
a long consequence for speaking out about and not even
speaking to the media, is just speaking to other people
(01:26:24):
like Yo, this.
Speaker 7 (01:26:25):
Motherfucker like whacked off while I was sitting there. You
know what I mean? What message does that send? If
you're them, Well.
Speaker 6 (01:26:35):
We're not living in a world that cares about them
right now, right like, doesn't you think you have all
about Well yeah, but that was just a big fuck
you to me.
Speaker 8 (01:26:42):
I mean, like just the way, and I think a
lot of people sort of felt that way. And then
you know, I'm scrolling through the comments, it was like, well,
how long or what was his name? What's his name?
Michael Ian Black? He kind of came stepped up and
came to Lewis e K's defense. It was like, well,
on the other side of this METO movement, with these
men who have been you know, sort of out it
as you know, exhibiting shitty behavior, how do we get
(01:27:04):
how do how do they get on the road to redemption?
Speaker 7 (01:27:06):
And how long should they?
Speaker 8 (01:27:08):
And you know, and the response categorically was I don't
fucking know, I don't fucking care, Like it's not long enough.
And maybe a standing ovation before he said a word
much less publicly from the stage, you know, addressed it
again or taking public steps to whatever it is.
Speaker 7 (01:27:26):
But I think a lot of people feel very strongly.
Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
About also say I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
I'll say that the audience at the Comedy Seller is
beyond Bridge and Tunnel. Like usually it's it's like a
touristy spot. A lot of people from out the country
and that sort of thing. So I almost think that
their borderline like not connected. I'm not even trying to
(01:27:55):
man explain or quest plain it.
Speaker 6 (01:27:56):
No you're not. No, you're not explaining anything. I get
what you're saying, but it just doesn't make any sense
because they went to see him.
Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Well, yeah, like you go. You go to the Comedy Cellar,
hoping is a place where the big names go to
practice a set to see if this material works in
that so any night could be Chris Rock, Jerry Seinfeld.
Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
So I went.
Speaker 8 (01:28:20):
Chris called when he was putting his act together, the
last act together, and he's like, Yo, come come see
you know, I'm going to go up to at the
at the Comedy Cellar, and I'd never been. I had
no idea where it was, and it's so dark in there.
I was sitting in the back. I couldn't tell you
what the crowd looked like because all I could see
is him on the stage, and then you know, the
crowd is pretty dark from where I was sitting, So
(01:28:42):
I couldn't.
Speaker 7 (01:28:42):
Even tell you the type of photograph.
Speaker 10 (01:28:46):
I would have no idea, but usually it's it's you know,
Germans visiting New York for the summer, like that's sort
of thing.
Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Oh wow, yeah, So it wasn't like.
Speaker 7 (01:29:00):
I'm curious, what are you guys.
Speaker 8 (01:29:01):
It's like, you know, two women and four guys, Like,
what do you guys think of the Me Too?
Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Movement?
Speaker 5 (01:29:08):
I think it's right, well, not right on time. It's overdue. Yeah,
I mean, this shit's wrong and something needs to be
done about it. So let's do something about it.
Speaker 7 (01:29:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Well no, no, at least the conversations I've had with you,
I know that we've spoken at length about, you know,
are do the women in the movement understand that women
of color having gone through this way longer and harsher with.
Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Everything, with the page gap and and you know, everything
that comes with it.
Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
And so I almost feel as though if for to
truly be a movement, there has to be a universal
understanding of all the components involved.
Speaker 8 (01:30:00):
You know, Yeah, some do, some don't, you know, some
some you know, like when you think of Hollywood, you
have to look at it as like any community.
Speaker 7 (01:30:10):
So there's there's the very very wealthy who.
Speaker 8 (01:30:13):
Live in the big game engines, and then there's the
people who live in in you know, government subsidized housing,
you know, like regular working actors who will never be famous.
They just love what they do and you know, generally
have second and third jobs.
Speaker 7 (01:30:28):
But all of these people are of part of the movement.
Speaker 8 (01:30:32):
The people in the gay communities are not going to
be relating to the struggle of a working actor and
the basic things that working actors are fighting for, like
like insurance and health care and you know, basic rights.
So it's not that they're uneducated per se, it's more
of it's not my reality. So the ship I'm fighting
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for I want to make what Mark Wahlberg makes, and
we're like, wait what, Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's it's
such a massive They're just totally different conversations.
Speaker 7 (01:31:05):
But yes, I think everyone's.
Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Yes, But it's is it doing more harm if there's
not an understanding it? And are you the type that's
willing to let them know in a very clear manner
without you know, I've.
Speaker 7 (01:31:27):
Never been one to hold my tongue.
Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
So when you when you respond, when you when you respond,
is it more like radio silence from your sisterhood.
Speaker 8 (01:31:35):
Or I think I think people are more concerned wanting
to know more about what I'm feeling than you know what.
Speaker 7 (01:31:44):
I may.
Speaker 8 (01:31:46):
Communicate via a text, so I'll get a call be like, okay,
help me understand what what what? What exactly you want
me to convey to the larger group, because I'll talk
to certain individuals as a postse to like full thread,
you know, threads of people or whatever. But no, I
don't think anyone's ever really confused by what I say.
Speaker 7 (01:32:09):
I'm very clear.
Speaker 8 (01:32:10):
I'm like, listen, if your movement is not intersectional, and
you are not centering the most marginalized among us, then
it's a moment. It's not a fucking movement. I'm not
interested in a moment. I'm too old, I'm too i'm
too tired. I've been through, I've been too way too
much shit. So for if I'm actually going to participate
(01:32:30):
in something, we are going to center the most vulnerable
of us, and that's not you. So hand over the microphone,
push away from the desk, pull some other chairs up,
and let somebody else talk.
Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
I think it has to be I think it has
to be like you know, when you ask you know
what we thoughts from moving where. I think it has
to be some kind of I don't know if just
it has to be some kind of definition as to
what is what. So for me when I saw it,
it was like I compared it to almost kind of
like in American gangster Gizell when he was talking about like, Yo,
(01:33:04):
this is blue magic. You know what I'm saying, and
it's like, this is my package, Like I stand behind
I guarantee it. If you want to cut the ship
and call it something else, fine, but don't call this
shit blue magic, you know what I mean. That was
kind of my thoughts on just like when when it
first happened, and like first the Harvey shit broke and
like everybody was like holy shit, you know what I mean,
it was like yo, like that's a fucking package.
Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
But then like disease, I'm sorry, shit, it was just
like you feel me. It was you know what I mean.
I mean to me, until a lot of people it was.
Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Just like like okay, like like the Harvey stuff, like
a lot of the other the stories like that was
like clear cut AsSalt, like that was like that was
just black and white.
Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
But isn't that the process? And it was just like
that's the process, just like you got an Asia Argento,
like this is something new and everything is not one hundred.
We got to learn the balance, and the Skalets.
Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
Would be on the road to Harvey had he not been.
Speaker 6 (01:33:57):
No, no, no, I'm just saying that, for lack of
a better term, mistakes will happen, some things will fall
between the cracks, like there will be some misunderstand Like
that's gonna happen. It's gonna be an disease. But if
as long as it's you know, ninety.
Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Ten, I just with the AZ just in that in particular,
I'm like back to just the blue maginology.
Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
You can call that whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
But if I'm the leader of that movement, I'm like, yo,
you can't call that shit me too.
Speaker 7 (01:34:23):
No leader, but there's no leader, no leader.
Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
I'm just saying, if see but you feel me like
I'm speaking in how fucking product with that bullshit? The
problem is also, you know, the problems that I've had
with it are like, say a publication like Time magazine
will decide and cherry pick who they feel will sell
(01:34:47):
more magazines for the movement right now. When they did
it last year, and you know, I saw certain people
on there, I was like, wait a minute, come on,
like and you know, I don't think it should be
like the prize or like who's the most victimized or
that sort of thing, And that's kind of what it becomes,
though at least it seems to me it becomes like
the Olympics of that. Yeah, but the way that they
(01:35:09):
portrayed it was just like, okay, well we'll pick these
four particular ones because they're big box office draws, right, and.
Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
We'll use them as that.
Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
And then you know, that's sort of where I was like, Ah,
this this is where it gets ruined.
Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
But does it need a leader?
Speaker 8 (01:35:26):
I mean, it's like civil rights movement, right, there's so
many of us who all have different ideas about or
had different ideas about civil rights and how best to
get them. There is the Martin Luther King, but you
know more you know, nonviolent movement, and then they're you know,
(01:35:47):
Black Panther, you know Malcolm X. I think you you
align yourself with whose route matches your ideologies. So I
don't think there has to be one leader or if
the goal is liberty, I think there's many paths to that,
and you you either you lead or you follow who
(01:36:08):
best speaks to your needs and your desires and where
you see the change you want to.
Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
See, So how do you handle somebody?
Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
So how do you address that in the context of
somebody like Nick Parker who was found not guilty in
a court of law.
Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
But still you know.
Speaker 6 (01:36:24):
He pre me too though he pre me too well.
Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
I mean, well he will he.
Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
No, no, that movie like fucking like he yeah, he
for that ship that ship thinks and so like yeah,
so how do you like reconcile that? I mean, and
you work with him?
Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
So but which was even more fun because it's like, yo,
he was convicted.
Speaker 6 (01:36:46):
He was trying not about the We didn't care about that.
Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
How could you but see what that's fucked up?
Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
You know, I'm saying in in a sense of we're
not gonna not We're not. I don't think a lot
of sisters was like we ain't gonna support this movie
because we think that he did that. That wasn't the system.
That was kind of nah said, that wasn't the sustance
that you can but I'll tell you that I wasn't
the system is.
Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
No, it was not. Listen, I was. I am a
frequent black Twitter Power user like Nigga. I got the
deluxe package like it was so many fucking oh he's canceled,
he trashed, and I'm like, yo, how is a man
who was put on trial for potentially raping a white one?
Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Hold on, hold on. Before you get finished that, I'm
gonna say one thing.
Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
R Kelly, Okay, well that's court of law, and he
was not convicted.
Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
He was trying to go. But in the case of
all Kelly, I mean, there was a tape that was I.
Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
Mean it was.
Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
Though, right.
Speaker 8 (01:37:45):
Justice isn't wrong right, no, no, no no, But I'm
just saying, but you just it was there was a tape,
but but justice didn't just because.
Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
I might I might have been again the voodoo hole.
Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Was there a trial for R. Kelly? Yeah, there was.
Speaker 6 (01:38:02):
There was yeh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
It was evidence. But then but I forgot what it was.
Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
I think I don't think they allowed the jury to
watch it or was it like thrown out or mistrial?
Speaker 8 (01:38:14):
I can't remember because remember they had didn't they have
to testify, like to break down the parts of the
tape and they brought in people to testify to like
the to the to the.
Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Episode, and yes, yeah they did.
Speaker 5 (01:38:26):
They didn't come to a Verdicant because I remember, because
I went to a wedding that day, and we heard
it on the way to the wedding.
Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Yeah, no, he was found out. Gives and I think
it had something to do with the family. Wouldn't testify
something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Yeah, it was. It was something like that. It was
something like that. But that was r Kelly was different.
Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
And plus, anybody's been in the they been Kelly been
on some fun ship like that ship ain't new. But
but in particular with the Nate Parker thing, that was
a thing where it's like, Okay, this is a guy,
black man who was on trial again for raping a
white woman that.
Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
That angel, that Lily White.
Speaker 6 (01:39:02):
He married.
Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Like, no, dude, he was. I'm just saying like he was.
He was on trial in fucking like Pennsylvania. Like Pennsylvania
is Alabama with Philly in it.
Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Nigga, Like.
Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
He's Rightigga was on trial in Pennsylvania for fucking allegedly
raven a white woman beat it, found not guilty. His
homeboy was found guilty. And then and when he went in,
they later went back and was like, you know what,
this was bullshit. So his on boy got out. So
this is a guy who was by all the accounts,
found not guilty something, but he was still fucking like
(01:39:38):
raked over the.
Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Colds for that.
Speaker 6 (01:39:39):
So it's just like my mama said, yeah, he still
married that white woman, right, And that's that's what I remember,
and a lot of women's I don't know whatever, but
what I don't think, I.
Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Just that's the movement.
Speaker 6 (01:39:50):
So it was Ben for three.
Speaker 8 (01:39:56):
I mean, I think listen with anything, there's no easy answers,
Like you know, I was just having this debate. I've
been a debate speaking facts about the civil rights movement,
erasure of women and the LGBTQ community who are instrumental
in the movement that we to this day don't don't
recognize and acknowledge. James Balbin rested, like, there, I mean,
(01:40:20):
but we today it's twenty eighteen, we're acknowledging them. Back
in the day, you know, it was like do the
work and we'll reap the benefits, but we will never
give you your your your desserts. So every no movement
is is ideal or perfect or with one leader, and
it's rarely the wheels of progress rarely turn at the
(01:40:43):
rate we want them to, and everything is in flux.
And if the goal is liberty, it's a long road,
and it has been a long road, you know, especially
for us.
Speaker 6 (01:40:55):
So and that's what I keep feeling out. It's funny
because as you asked that question, I always say, you know,
I'm just going to wait until these white women get
their freedom so I can get mine, just like voting
and everything they ain't else and with the dollar and
everything else, because it seems like there's an order to things,
no matter how much we're involved. It's an order. And
that's why I have on this shirt protect Black Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Yeah, and that's kind of me. Yeah, I don't really. Yeah,
I just I stay out of white people problems.
Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
I stay out of white people issues because I think,
like when you like with your shirt protect Black Women,
I just think like we have issues within our community
as black people that we gotta handle and we can't
talk about our ship in front of white people.
Speaker 6 (01:41:30):
That's it, and that's true conversation I think. But Roy
Wood Jr. Offered at he offered a small good step
that I thought was good for brothers.
Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Oh what niggas calling shit out? Claim?
Speaker 6 (01:41:40):
Yeah, when you see ship, don't just laugh at it.
When you see a woman DM being disrespected in a
room full of dudes or you just see a period,
don't just laugh, don't just be silent, Like can we
just start there?
Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Oh no, I think and I think we definitely have
started there. I mean just because well, I mean we
had Quick. We were talking about Quick. It's just like
you start to realize at a certain point in your life,
y'all niggas liabilities, you know what I'm saying, And it's
like I can't have y'all, I'm not risking what I
built up because you want to be a fucking dickhead,
you know what I mean. So if if nothing else,
even if you can't get cats to understand it on
(01:42:11):
just a human man woman level, just same to like,
look now, these niggas about to fuck up all your money.
Like Quick had a six figure check then he had
to spend on legal fees.
Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Think about that.
Speaker 6 (01:42:21):
It's a shame as you got to make him think
about that just to respect a woman.
Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
But I get you know what I'm saying. Look listen,
I mean listen, you got to meet people where they at,
you know what I mean, Somebody can take them.
Speaker 6 (01:42:30):
Let somebody say, fuck your mama. It's a whole problem, Like,
don't do it to my mama.
Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
But do it to everybody else if somebody say, if
somebody said, like your mom, I'm saying most.
Speaker 6 (01:42:37):
Men are protective of their mothers. But if you have
to go all around that to just say no, no, no,
you got to give them all that extra bullshit just
to be like, respect that one.
Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
And I agree with you on that.
Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
I don't think I should have to be like whenever,
because that's the knee jerk response niggas like, oh man,
that's somebody mama, that's somebody daughter, that's like a woman
like she just she's a human fucking being.
Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Just if she ain't got no kids, she's still a
person like you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (01:42:59):
So I agree, Well, it's crazy because it's like we all,
you know, think but the kids, like you know, that's
where I draw the line with kids.
Speaker 6 (01:43:06):
But you see that, no, not at all.
Speaker 8 (01:43:09):
You see that nine year old boy who comes out
of who comes out as gay to his his mother,
his parents, and goes to school and proceeds to get
bullied for being gay and kills himself. This was just
a couple of days ago, and you see all over
social media not let's address the bullying. You know, well,
(01:43:33):
how did he know he was gay? Nine years old
is too young to know you're gay, and really.
Speaker 6 (01:43:39):
It's actually black.
Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
But dude, just.
Speaker 7 (01:43:47):
The picture that they show, I can't I can't have red.
Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Internet comments before the internet.
Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Comment is where I did not sell just I you
want to give up all hoping human you gumms like yeah.
Speaker 8 (01:44:01):
But you you would think like basic humanity. This child
has has felt so bullied that he even killed himself.
Well the kids, the kids, I guess, were bullying him,
telling him to kill himself, and he like, I think
it was like day four killed himself. He was nine
and just watching people do the mental gymnastics. Instead of
(01:44:22):
you know, offering prayers for the boy and his family
or whatever it was, why are you forcing the gay
lifestyle on this boy? And it was like the gay lifestyle?
Where's the gay lifestyle? Because I think I'd like to
sign up for it.
Speaker 7 (01:44:34):
It's I mean, the gay life.
Speaker 6 (01:44:36):
I'm like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 8 (01:44:37):
This is a child who was bullied and how about
we check what the fuck is happening in the in
the homes of the bullies. What kind of homophobic, transphobic, islamophobic, racist,
misogynistic bullshit is happening in those homes. Let's let's start there,
and how you unleash these little hellions on their classmates
to say crazy shit to this boy.
Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Yeah, it's like not no, I've It's just why I
think you have to like, well, I mean accuse me,
because people will be people. I mean, no matter who
you are, whether you're gay, straight, trans, whatever, there's always
gonna be somebody that just don't fuck with you. So
like the thing, cause I have to something. My boys
are seventeen and thirteen, and my thing is just like
you have to arm them. My thing is about to think.
My message I tell them is like listen, ninety percent
(01:45:20):
of people shit ninety five ninety nine percent of people
are just all taught. So if you can make yourself
and build yourself up mentally to where you're immune to words,
then you're fucking bulletproof cause you ain't gotta They not
gonna do shit.
Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
They talking because they ain't gonna do nothing. So you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
If you people say and they say fuck, they want
to say like they's talking because that's all they can do.
So I think it starts. I've just always been a
person of I just try to think in context of
I can't control what other people do whatever, like phobias,
they god or they hate, they got like, they ain't
got shit to do with me.
Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
I have to build myself and teach mine to be
like listen, it's all kinds. It takes all kinds of
make up a world. Everybody ain't gonna like you. It's
gonna be some people that don't want to fuck with
you for whatever reason. It's my job to give you
the tools to where you don't even look for that
person for validation. You whatever you are, whatever you feel like,
you are, gay, strict, whatever the hell, be confident and
(01:46:14):
be and own who you are. You know what I'm saying,
Because if you own who you are, then this other shit,
these other that's just some puncture. You ain't even got
to worry about that because you good with who you
are and if you're good with it, and that's all
the matter more.
Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
You know what's that man.
Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
Finally later.
Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
To do? Is this how we aim to be going
out anyway? Yeah, we're gonna fall in the vicious rabbit hole.
And I know that Queen Union has.
Speaker 6 (01:47:00):
To be.
Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (01:47:02):
What you're doing. What are you doing tomorrow?
Speaker 8 (01:47:05):
Actually tomorrow morning. I work out every morning at six am,
so I'm up at five am. But tomorrow is Michael
Jackson the Michael Jackson Diamond Uh celebration.
Speaker 6 (01:47:16):
Oh yeah, you're going to go in Vegas?
Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
Vegas?
Speaker 5 (01:47:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (01:47:19):
Are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
No, I got it.
Speaker 6 (01:47:22):
He got work to do. You're gonna be here with us? Yeah,
I'll be celebrating.
Speaker 8 (01:47:27):
Let me see three t because I'm gonna who took
the pen out of me?
Speaker 7 (01:47:37):
Who unpinned me?
Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
I thank you for coming on the show, guess, thank
you so much. Fun.
Speaker 6 (01:47:42):
Before we can, I just asked the blue little question
because Gab, you know you're always on Twitter promoting. I
know you just recently had a win in Florida. Yes,
would you like to promote anything else that you think
people should be aware of? The get further into closer
to this November.
Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
You realize this is not probably not airing until do
be so we have team Supreme.
Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
Sugar Steve, you're still there? Yeah, bro, and uhs, I'm
about to call you our sideo.
Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
Bossville. You there.
Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
Thank you so much, Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
I love you.
Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Thank you so much for finally we made it happen
all right, this is Quest Love, Quest Love Supreme, only
on Pandora.
Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
We will see you on the next go round. Thank you,
Quest Love Supreme. It's a production of iHeart Radio. This
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