QLS Classic: Jerrod Carmichael

Comedian, actor and writer Jerrod Carmichael talks about how came into the L.A. comedy scene, his distaste for the audition process and shares some of the tricks he uses to make his work special.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Course Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio.
This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora.
What's Up, Everybody, This is Sugar Steve. For this week's
classic episode of Questlo Supreme, we revisit a conversation from
March two thousand seventeen with the one and only Gerard

(00:20):
car Michael. He talks about the inspiration for some of
his dead jokes, North Carolina, Eaterys, and much more. Episode
number thirty three from the q l S Archives. Suprema
row called Subma Suprema role called Subrima, Subprema row called

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Subrima Sumro Gerad is here. Yeah, and I feel doom. Yeah,
because quest Love's officially Yeah, fourth funniest guy in the
row something Subrima road Carrema sure call. My name is Fonte, Yeah,

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my voice is ethereal Yeah, nigga. Yeah, you never have
serious SMA road call. My name is Sugar. What's up
your rod? Yeah? When you're ready to kill us? Yeah,

(01:29):
just give us a nod. Some some Suprea road call,
some some something road Bill wants to know. Yeah, when
am I gonna see Yeah the Carmichael Show. Yeah, season
Suprema road call, Sma road. Come, I'm het Bill. Yeah.

(01:57):
And this girl I'm with Yeah, told me to watch
the Rod. Yeah, because he's the ship O Comma son
Saprima rogue, comb Sabrima s Frima rogue. All right here
here Yeah, ger Rod is near. Yeah. What do you
think I'm funny? Yeah? I have so much fear Norima.

(02:26):
Roll call Mr Rode Yeah, drinking green tea. Yeah, you
call Rick Rubin. Yeah. Ended up with Merrima rogue, calm
so Frima son Saprima Rode cam Suprima, Saprima rogue, Saprima

(02:49):
Saprima rogue. We all said, no, you dreams are you're rushing?
You got your still rushing the bar. It wasn't about
the statement, It was about the you know. It was
the same man that we like, we had a meeting

(03:09):
with ourselves. We're fine. Now we're going to say no
one day. Yeah, So, ladies and gentlemen, our next guest
has been my favorite hip hop producer for the last
five years. He's early work with yeah, before he was alive. Yeah,

(03:30):
you guys got soap, lay on like the sofa, my shoes, ball,
do some yoga. I already had the feeling, ladies and gentlemen,
that this might be my favorite episode of my short
lived radio show. Uh, simply because I'm such a fan
of our guest. He was kind enough, uh to come

(03:53):
at the drop of a dime. Wait, do dimes still exists?
In two thousand and seven? People people actually dropped them
more than even super rich people ask those kind of questions.
That wasn't very I will say that I was poor
for a long time, and I'm never like, oh, let
me get that dime. If that's obviously you never went

(04:17):
the coin Star. You did, like, I gotta go to
coin Star when we get back to New York. You
ain't trolling me, because we all know what's happened next.
I like times, believe me. Yeah, we know bags of
bags and they'll make bags. How do you know you
guys started twenty and keep going. I meant actual dimes.

(04:38):
You know it's crazy. It worked. I thought you're talking
about girls like You're like, I like dimes like, and
I was like, yeah, the smallest coin. You're right, this
is the greatest episode exactly. All right, Well, I didn't
even get my introduction. Lady and gentlemen, please welcome my
favorite Gerard Carmichael. Yes, you guys, I'm happy to be here.

(05:00):
Two Carolina boys in here today. Ye yes, yo, all right.
I also want to think, Uh, well, I am for
being very gracious, uh for letting us use his his
facilities to record the bathroom. But yeah, can we talk
about the bath I haven't been to the bathroom. I've

(05:21):
come here once or twice before. I haven't used the
bad I can't believe I missed that on don't leave
without using that. It's like that from the future. It's
life goals. It is. Yeah, And what's amazing. What I
didn't know is that when you're finished, um, the toilet,
the light comes on in the toilet, like a glowing
light comes from the bowl and itself cleans. Yeah, and

(05:44):
and the air sucks out the funk. Yeah, it's a
glowing light. If you don't have to ship and figure
out a way to ship that, I think that's I
think that's cool if you're like under seventy and like,
because like over a certain age, like all your ships
become like like a study and you're you're doing it.

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I feel like all our grandparents have to look and
make sure and they're just seeing a light, they will
think it's got called. I was scared because I don't
know that light was coming. But you know, it's it's
it's it's amazing to see that they're not to mention it.
The air thing is so necessary because I don't know
about it. But if you've ever been in a situation

(06:31):
where like usually if I'm in a hotel room or home,
you know, like if I'm in a hotel room, I'm
instantly trying to make friends with the security guard so
that I can hit the gym real quick. Like I
never go in my room because you know that that
might be a deal breaker with her. Like yeah, and

(06:53):
the noise and all that stuff, like it comes with
its own white noise. The water is the best episode.
You can waste water like that. I'm sorry. I will
bring a blender in radio. I tell you, I'll take
a radio in the bathroom. I need noise, many noise.

(07:16):
So welcome to How are you today? Man? I believe
this is how most episodes of Meet the Press usself?
So what were you doing today before I called and
interrupted your cycle? I canceled a couple of things, you know,

(07:36):
of course, of course you don't when you get the
text from you you got you show up, I'd say that.
I also I missed missed the picnic. I thought it
was this perfect way it was this was this my
guilt card. No, it wasn't. I wasn't. Here's the thing.
I was genuinely excited to do it. The second thought was, oh, yeah,
I missed the picnic. This is great. This is a
great thing where I'm still going to see you get

(07:58):
you for the next picnic, though, I'm excited for it.
But this is such a I just like missed out
on some editing. I'll work on Sunday. It works. You're
what are you editing right now? The TV show? I'm working. Uh,
we're about rap for the season, So like we're just editing. Yeah,
so we're just doing that and uh and then that's it.
I'll do some stand up probably tonight. So officially season

(08:21):
three is Ego. Season three's ago May thirty feet Okay, yeah, yeah,
So I'm excited this season. Season one day on Netflix. Yeah,
this season, I'm I'm like really excited. You ever like
like working on something and you're like, all right, I know,
I said I was excited for the other ship, but
I know, I mean at this time, Like this time,
I'm really this season is a sophomore album. Year a year. Yeah,

(08:43):
I'm like really because it's like crazy. The first episode
we type, my grandmother commits suicide. She kills herself on camera.
It's gonna be a text the pills and dies on
It's a crazy thing that happens. I'm spoiling it. That's
how excited I invite, Like Marla gives plays my grandma

(09:05):
and yeah, and like and it's it's that was the
first episode we take. I'm excited figure out, like what
taboo subjects can we cover, and just in any any
conversation I have or any like subject that comes up
that wakes me up, you know, like the things that

(09:25):
you talk about throughout the day to actually wake you
up that you like, the conversations you engaged. And that's
the ones that we try and make episodes out of
because it's it's like boring otherwise, you know. But like
an assistant suicide was the thing we were talking about,
and it was like, oh, well this, yeah, this will
be a fun episode to be. Is she playing uh

(09:46):
Loretta Divine's mother or David. Yeah, yeah, So she did
a brief appearance and uh, our first season it's a
blur I think our second I don't know, it was
the first one with six episodes. It's all a blurtingent.
But um, and now she's back and how did you talk?

(10:07):
She was so excited. She was excited. I mean, I
think people get excited if the material is like you know,
it can spark some type of conversation or is edgy
or like you know, exciting to due. So she was
all for what is the writer's room like for y'all show? Like,
who's all in it? What does that look like? It's
a lot of arguing and yelling at each other and

(10:29):
having fun and disagreeing and jokes. It's it's a fun environment.
We um, I'll bring a lot of concepts like before
the season starts, and we'll just try and break stories
around them and find perspective and uh and argue a lot. Well,
I was gonna say, how deep are the arguments? One
time I spent I went on a set of a

(10:52):
comedy show, uh to watch the taping, and during the breaks,
the show runner it was something out of like a
new edition dance step like the second may said and cut.
Suddenly the show runner ran to the spotlight and then
his fifteen writers like surrounded him in a circle. It

(11:13):
was like hard, I'm all right, what you got that sucks?
That sucks? No, that sucks. No, that's And I was
looking after I saw the rhythm of the third time
go around. I was watching the ones that got dismissed. Nope,
not funny, not funny, And each time around, like their
body language just became like more, how do you how

(11:36):
do you encourage the best out of your writers? Because
I feel like the writing on the show and acting
is top notch, which obviously I could tell that, Oh,
everyone loves their jobs and they're excited and all that stuff.
How do you get the best out of your writers
without deflating them? Um? I think it's like, if you're

(11:58):
being honest with me, I think that's your best. It
always looks for truth first. So like, the thing that
I care about the most is that they are bringing
honest perspective or something. A joke is just uh, you know,
this tension you create that you just let the air out.
So sometimes people yell something that's not really even a joke.
They're they're really angry, and it works, you know what

(12:22):
I mean? I guess I'm saying using all the mode
you want to keep morale high and you want people
to feel like the voices being heard. But the most
important thing that you can bring is truth and that
that comes in any shade of emotion. So we just
try and make everybody feel included, you know, and and
and we hear. But it's also a tough thing. You know,
certain things you have to go with us. Do you

(12:43):
trust yourself to have the finals say though, yeah, that's
so dangerous. Yeah, but it's fun. It's because anything good
comes from a specific vision. Everything needs to like so
it always has to be through a filter of some sort.
You know, things are a collaborative process, but it has
to be uh, something that you know, usually one or
two people kind of agree on that has to be

(13:05):
the guard for the entire process. And so a lot
of things I do trust it because I just trust,
like gut instinct. It's like, no, I feel this, and
even if it's not the funniest joke, I feel like
it fits. It's kind of like you know jazz if
you will, where it's just it's kind of off this
feeling as it fits into a structure, and so I

(13:25):
just trust that more than anything. Wow. So Loretta, by
the way, I I think of all the projects that
I've seen here do this is like one of the
I feel like, I don't know if I'm jumping in
kind of I feel like it should actually garner like
any attention, like how she's she is incredible, it's still

(13:48):
relatable to the show. Yet, Yeah she is. I said
her name, Yeah earlier, I said it earlier. While you're
on your computer, She's like, I'm so incredible. I was
just talking about, like I'm really lucky to have the

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cast that I have. It Really it gives me chills
thinking about like how great everyone is, Like everyone is
so naturally funny and gifted. And I mean they make
it easy really because you just, like you know, writing stuff.
A lot of times I just do impressions of them
and like I try and do my Loretta Divine voice,
my David Allen Greer, my little Rele and and they

(14:33):
make it easy because you can see them. There's such
full people in full characters. Well now that uh little
l and Tiff will probably have a little rel is
already having a great and I'm certain that Tiff will
have Tiffany a dish will have and equally awesome summer

(14:56):
once her movie Girl Trip comes out sooner, Juliable, So
are there those characters going to be more fleshed out
and developed. Yeah, we get into uh, you know, a
lot of the backstory or things that they're going through
uh in their lives this season. Uh, because everyone's so

(15:18):
comfortable in the character and they even let us borrow
things from their lives or or you know, to use
uh for the show. So definitely we go deeper with
with everybody. Cool. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm really excited about it.
I know it sounds like the bullshit and everybody says
about a thing. I think you're genuinely excited because most

(15:39):
comedians I know are off camera they're very cynical, and
like you seem unusually and genuinely happy. Yeah. Yeah, well yeah,
but I'm like, this is gonna well I hear the
bills are paid, then oh uh still fly by big

(16:01):
time and starts pointing. Yeah. I wanted to talk to
you about the casting for the show and how long
that took, because particularly with David Allen Greer, like he
was a guy that was normally known for kind of
playing the uptight kind of preppy guy, but he's killing it.

(16:26):
Um what was that? Like? How involved were you in
the casting of the show. Um? Very I mean it
was all chemistry and just having him walking and Loretta
walk in, You're immediately like, I can't believe that even here,
you know, I'm just so excited that here, and then
it was an immediate Yeah, it was like David Loretta

(16:46):
was immediate. Yes. Um, I mean they were just great
and they brought the material to life and they made
you want to write more. David is David plays his
character I think really well because I mean that's David
at his core. David is just a niggad He's code
with us when the Yeah, here's the thing. David is

(17:09):
just first of all, one of the most articulate, well
like well yelle drama school, like just as a person,
like so cultured. But David at his core, this is
I mean, this is Dad himself. Yeah, this is so David.
We don't even mind me saying that, Like, David is
a nigger. A couple of years now, guys tell me

(17:35):
about because you're from you're from Winston Salem, yes, and
so I grew up in Greensboro. That's my hometown. And
my family is actually Winston too, so uh really yeah,
my my family, my grandmother's this is my great aunt.
She lived in Oh my god, she's around the corner
from Carver. So I can't remember. Then I'm totally butchering it. Yeah,

(17:58):
I'm blanking to but it was. It was. It was
very Winston Um. A lot of times in your comedy
you talk about, you know, your beginnings and like how
you know, coming up poor and you know all that.
Tell me about that, because we've it was, tell you
it was. It was hard. No, it was funny. It

(18:20):
was a good it was it was a good environment
in the sense that it was filled with you know,
it was interesting. What did your folks do? My dad
truck driver. My mom was a a secretary at Brenner's
Children's Hospital. Okay, she worked at Baptist. Everybody worked, everybody working, everybody,

(18:41):
and my grandfather he used to work at rentals. I thought,
you're gonna say you were born there. No, no, No,
I wasn't born there. My grandmother, but everybody you know,
and and it's this community that's you know, it's it's small,
but not. Yeah, I realized I didn't realize it's a
decent side city once to Salem, it's in Greensboro or
decent side cities. And it's like, I'm as I learned,

(19:03):
you know, the more I meet people such a similar
experience to anybody who grew up in any hood. You know,
like it's like so many of the same elements there.
It's uh, um, you know, just a lot of people
working class, trying a lot of single mom homes. Uh,
people that wanted New Jordan's was just like, it's how

(19:25):
it's how Nike ads should look. I always see people
like running up of mountain. I'm just like, nah, the
core of that is not just do it yeah, outside
of a story. So are you always the funny kid? Um?
Started like eighth grade, I was, I used uh humor

(19:50):
to not do homework, you know, that type of thing.
But but started around then, I was. I was always
like writing and creating stuff and writing plays and and
filming things. And from just writing, you know, you're like
you're creative writing and stuff like that. How did you
take that to the stage, Like when would you When
did you actually start doing stand up? I started doing

(20:12):
stand up here in l A. I didn't start like,
I didn't want to start in North Carolina. Uh well,
but because well for me, I'm I'm really competitive and
I wanted to be around people that truly dedicates the
life to it. Yeah, well the best and people that
were like serious about it, that's all that they do.

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And and a lot of times in cities outside of
l A, New York would stand up people are doing it,
but it's kind of a thing that people do, and
it's too easy, too easily a hobby, even if people's
part and passion was into it, like just having the
time to do it, like it was kind of this hobby.
And I wanted to move in to where people were
just you know, ruthlessly ambitious and trying to do it,

(20:57):
and like that's an energy that I feel more comfortable around.
So you didn't want to be the big shark and
a small time for a little bit in North Carolina
because that hurts people that that gives you this false
sense of of you know, yeah, especially the way if
it were if it were music, I just say that
I was gonna say no. But music is different because

(21:18):
music is such a it's an immediate thing. I if
I created stand up, like my friend Bo Burnham did
this like he got famous doing stand up from his
home because it was a thing that you record and
you release. He did videos. He was like YouTube and
like use the internet for that and music kind of.

(21:39):
Prince can be at Paisley Park if you're in New Yorker,
you it doesn't matter. It's not like you your first
your first experience with prints for most people isn't a
live performance. You know, like this this live show. It's
a skill that he developed. But if it is just
travels differently. Stand up comedy a lot of times people
discover you in a club, especially earlier on before anyone's

(22:00):
trying to record anything that you do. You're you're in
a club and your and that's where you hone your skills.
So it made more sense to be around people who
are who are doing it like that. If I were
a musician, then I may have I would. I mean,
obviously you know from North Carolina, you know, looking at
what little Brother did, Look what Prince from where he's from. Uh,

(22:22):
But stand up just travels a little bit differently. With
that said, there are people who have been in their
hometown and and gotten their material out. But I just
think it's such a competitive thing initially that you you
just gotta be around it. So why not New York?
A um because also two things. I had an interest
in film and television. Um from the beginning. It's a

(22:45):
thing that I wanted to learn and be around and
and I was excited to jump into that. Also, I
have like an aunt who lives in New York, and
I have friends that were in New York. And I
had a place to stay. And yeah, I didn't want
to security just l A. I'd never really here and
I didn't know anyone. So how did you afford that? Then?
How do you act a little bit working at the
shoe store, work to finish line? You know, no back

(23:12):
about the grace of guy I have. I didn't have
a regular job, and I moved and tried to have
an apartment for a little bit, slept on coultures. After that,
you know, the the typical artists grind of like just
trying to figure it out. And then you were to
the finish line in the mall and Hayes Mall. I
was there for years. I was there and then I
graduated high school, and that really highlights how uncool it

(23:35):
was to be there. Like I wasn't going to college
and I was just there and people would come home
for like breaking like you're still here. That guy possible
because just for the people who are listening, who are like,
you know, one day I want to move to l
A and do big things like you can save a
couple of finish line checks, you know. Truthfully, when I
moved to l A, I was working two thousand and

(23:58):
I was working there. This all happened in a matter
of like two months. I was thinking about, like what
I wanted to do with my life. A friend of
mine took me to a comedy club. I've only been
in one comedy club before in my life. It was
at the Seller in New York. My family visited. I
saw Dave Hotel performed. It was the first time. My
second time at a comedy club was in two thousand

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and eight. A friend took me um. I wanted to
do it. Somebody came in the finish line. It was
this guy. He said he was making small talk. I
asked what he did. He said he was an actor
who lived in UM in l A. I was like, man,
that sounds cool. I want to move there. He was like,
just move and I was like oh, And he told

(24:40):
me like, go to uh Craigslister west Side Reynolds, find
a place and move I And then I did. I
remember like printing the receipt paper, wrote those things down,
and I was here in August and that and that
was you landed here, then decided and then and yeah,
well I had I found a place on craigslist. They

(25:01):
didn't have photos. I had a place I was going to.
It was like a one bedroom apartment. Three other people
were in there. I slept on a love seat, you know,
like and and I was happy. I was really happy.
And then I just started comedy as soon as I
got here. And how long was that life? I mean
a few years for me. For me, things happened kind

(25:23):
of quickly, you know when you look at a lot
of comedian stories, like you know, some some guys ten
years of fifteen years of trying to figure it out.
But for me, um, after about a year, you know,
it kind of clicked for me. And then by two
years in I was kind of on a you know,

(25:43):
under the had the attention of industry or whatever whatever
stuff leads none of it matters, but it does. It doesn't,
but it does. I hate it and I love it
read the name of the memoir. I hate it, but
I love it. M What spots were you working out

(26:04):
of when you first came to l A. Uh, improv
laugh Factory, all the clubs, a lot of back rooms, bars,
surprise shows, people that thought they would come and watch
a game. So who's the first person? I mean, I
almost imagine that. It's almost like entering comedies could be

(26:25):
the equivalent of like your first day in jail, Like
who's the who's the first person that you kind of
had to be friends to sort of get the rules.
And my friend still my best friend to the Stagemar neighbors. Yo,
we're gonna talk about him in a second. Love him first,
first person. Uh, the only piece of advice I've taken

(26:48):
was from him, the only so he was established first,
he had been He's from l A and so he
was familiar with it. And he was still coming up
and and still you know, figuring it out. But uh
did my first open mic at the Comedy Store and
I got off stage and he was like, it's like, hey, man,
you're funny. You just slow down a little bit and

(27:08):
you yeah, he said, but first set, man, first set.
It was just like a it was like Twister doing commons.
Nos like you, I was gonna say, like you're your
level of silence and pacing is really on the last

(27:29):
like that ship was. That was balls and not for
real like that it was. It was dope, man, thank you.
So you don't feel a certain way like if you happened,
if you say a punchline and it might go of
an audience member head or whatever, you'll just yeah, there's
somebody like you. You thought it for a reason and
you you crafted and say it a certain way for

(27:51):
a reason. And it's like, especially if I'm taping, you know,
like taping a special, it's not just even about the room.
It's it's going into people's homes and it's like you
recorded for that experience, you know, And that's what I
make specials for. And uh, but on stage, you know,
if any live show, if a thing goes over, there's

(28:14):
something for you. And that was Sometimes I'll write something
or think something that I know, like in a room
full a hundred of people, ten are going to connect
with us, and I'm completely cool, Yeah, because for that
ten it's really gonna means something as a whole. It'll
be you know, it'll be something. Ideally, I'd say that

(28:35):
I'm sure a couple of people, but that's not happy.
But but but there'll be something for everybody, you know,
that's the goal. But you know some things aren't for everybody.
The first show, the one you to delive at the store,
how did that come about? And? Well, first, how long
did it take for you to write that material? And

(28:55):
how to spite leading involved? I? Um, I that was
kind of material that I that was two thousand and fourteen.
I think when we take that, uh, it was just
stuff over the years that I kind of picked up
on and a lot of I say over the years,
there was some things from over the years, and then
a lot of it was just new. The goal for

(29:16):
that was to treat it as if it was just
you come in to the comedy store on a Saturday
night and just me kind of doing some old material,
trying out new stuff, and just for it to be
organic and natural. The voice that introduced me as this
guy Argus Hamilton's who always has nine fifteen spot at
the store, and he would bring me up and so

(29:37):
that's why I had to bring me up. Jamar Dada set.
You know, it was a very Yeah, it was like
a very like. I wanted it to feel that vibe
got spiked because I wanted to feel like a documentary.
I usually like comedy specials if I'm being honestly, and
so I wanted it to feel like explosions and your
name in the back. It's just all this, yeah, all

(29:57):
this unnecessary pomp. Cut cut to six years later from
now is comedy special going to happen? But you're, but
you're it has to fit you. I think the reason
I don't like it is because things aren't necessarily personal,
Like like Chris Rock is a guy who the cr
behind his head makes it fits with the vibe. That's

(30:17):
how his comedy looks and sounds Comedians like, not everybody's
gonna fit that vibe. Like comedians have this tendency to
go away from their own lane and try and fit
into what they think comedy is. And and so that's
why specials start looking alike and sounding a like, and
and people's materials starts running in together because everyone tries

(30:38):
to fit comedy instead of bringing comedy to them. So
with the Love at the Store was just important to
have it personal. It was just a personal documentary. I
go to my notebook. I trial new Ship would say,
so that last bit where you like the illuminating garbage man, Yeah,
like that was that was really you just trying that album.
I've done that before. I've done that before, but it

(30:59):
was it was relatively new. I think, like new it
shilt the set, but it's like I've done that before.
It's and it's really written in that notebook and it's
really because I just wanted it to feel that way. Um,
but I uh, I called Spike. I was sometimes when
I like, I was trying to think of directors. Sometimes
I like to think I would put on there's a

(31:22):
song from She's Got to Have It, Uh no with vocals, Yeah,
there's a girl that Yeah, and I was I was
like playing that in my living room and I was like, oh,
Spike everyway. Yeah, I was playing that and then I

(31:45):
love Nolan with vocals and singing that. Yeah. Damn. When
deep you're the king, the reference king. Okay, should your
popularity ramp up a hundredfold? Uh? Where you know you

(32:11):
land three or four big movies or whatever? All right, say,
if you get murphy ized, would you think that your
level of comedy could translate to uh stadiums, and because
you're such an intimate former that you know, is that

(32:32):
even a dream, like hey, I like to sell out
the forum or you know, the only way I would
do it is if I two things. If I felt
like the material somehow warranted that type of venue. You know,
at that point you always want to stay open as
an artist, like I don't know exactly how change your vault,

(32:53):
uh so staying open to that or if I found
a way to bring the performance or or some type
of show to that arena where I could truly feel it,
not just for the sake of seats, because comedy over
anything over like three or four thousand people. Really, even
the just sound, the way a laugh travels, it's like

(33:15):
it's not everyone doing something in Unison, it's it's it
has to travel. And Chris said that same thing, Chris.
When I Chris, he played Deep Back a couple of
months ago and he I was talking to his stage guy.
He said, he said the exact same thing. He said,
you know, you may do a joke and like the
person in the back may laugh first, and then it
takes time, your time and is way different because you

(33:37):
actually have to give it time to travel you would
have to any time. I mean I've done you know,
theaters of four thousand. See, it just doesn't the rhythm.
You have to find a rhythm for that, you know.
And so if if I did it consistently and got
used to it and found a way to bring a
show to that, then yeah, but not just for the
sake of feeling seats. I mean I care about the

(33:59):
the show first. So as a comedian, how do you
feel about I know, uh, one subject that I often hear,
especially at the tonight showing comedians come on, is uh
the idea of like politically correct comedy and how we're
in kind of a new place right now where Twitter

(34:24):
has ruined everything. Well, I mean we're just in a
more politically correct, more sensitive place right now. Like in
other words, I've seen many a think piece on day
on Dave's Netflix specials that didn't hit home with a

(34:45):
lot of people because of the way that times are now.
Like even if you watch Eddie Murphy's Raw, which is delirious,
is like the first like that couldn't fly now in
two thousand seventeen. How but I know you, especially with JR.

(35:08):
Have you heard America's Nick yet all right, So Uh Brennan.
Neil Brennan hit me up like one in the morning
and was like, Yo, I need you to go to
this website and download this record and listen. And if
you know Neil the way that I knew Neil, like
there's Neil and Chris Rock are probably like the two

(35:31):
uh figures in my life that are a constant maybe
Fante and Bill as well like that are not easily impressed.
You have to actually be good for them to Yeah,
and yeah, Chris is Chris is hard to please. Neil
is even harder to please. I don't bring something to

(35:52):
Neil unless I'm like I want to be Yeah, it's
like how But the thing is when they say it's
cool and you're like, oh, ship, it's really gonna work.
Means more than your father's approval. I'm telling you now,
like yeah, like they're now like my new Dad's like yeah,
it means more. I always go to them just to

(36:13):
you know, Christ called me after the special and that
meant more. I like told everyone was like, Chris called me,
that means something. Yeah he got after Yeah. Yeah. So
when Neil told me, yo, listen to this record, then
I was like, oh God, you haven't done this in
like six years, and six years ago it was like

(36:36):
a rat record I forget about and I heard it.
I think that's the first time whenever like critics asked me, like,
where's your favorite record, that's the first time a comedy
record was ever really number one record? But so goddamn uncomfortable. Yes,
but Jamar is just unapologetically himself the most confident person

(36:57):
I've I've ever met, the most like pure you know,
on stage, fearless and excited and doesn't give a funk
about anyone's like anything of their opinion there whatever, it's
just him, it's him, unapologetically. Well, yeah, so where do
you as far as where the times are leaning? Like,

(37:21):
I know that comedy is supposed to be pain, plus
what what's the formula it's supposed to be? Like pain?
In reality? It's tragedy, Yeah, tragedy. So how do you do?
You still come from the school of Okay, I'm gonna
take the most taboo thing I can find and make

(37:42):
it funny. No, that's that's genuinely never my thoult I
never think about rather than not a thing is taboo
or it really is if it excites me, if it's
something that I have a perspective all. I don't say
anything unless I it comes from an honest place, such
an honest place that I'll either defend it, like I'll

(38:03):
defend it after it's been released, but I'm really defending
it in the joke is the defense of this thing,
you know what I mean? Like it's a self defend
It's a self represented concept that that you give and
it's like, yeah, I said all the stuff i'd said.
A lot of times I'll preface something with like, I
know this is wrong and you'll disagree with it, but

(38:25):
here's an honest thoult. I think a good example of that.
Uh in a the joke you did you do about
not having a kid is better than having a kid? Yeah? Dog?
So yeah, it's just he was like, yo's watching a
woman you don't trust swallow a plane field. It's just like, yes,

(38:47):
do I've never done I've never done Molly, I haven't
experimented with LSD or anything. But if it compares to
that feeling, I get it. It makes me understand Heroin.
I'm oh that oh, completely free and uninhibited and like
the world is your Oh? Is that what heroin is? Oh?

(39:08):
Then well then yeah, I do that. Yeah, it's the
defense is there. I'm my obligation is to me and
to be honest and to give you honest thoughts. I
don't consider it at all. I don't consider like, you know,
oh what people aren't gonna because people are gonna hate
this because I'm not saying hateful things. It all comes

(39:29):
from such a real place. You know that that I'm
I'm either defending in the joke or if you don't understand,
I'll defend where I'm coming from. It's not defending. Rather,
not a thing is right or wrong. You know, that's
not what art is. Art isn't about. You know, Hey,
this is the right point. You know, let me create

(39:50):
something around it. It's feeling and you I'm articulating a
feeling to you, and I'm saying this is how I
feel about a thing. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise.
I'm saying, and this is how I feel. What made
you decide, especially in two thousand and sixteen, to have
a multi camera format because that is going to America.

(40:12):
I like the idea of like this is going to America,
Like this show goes out, Yeah, this goes out to
like just like the homes that like us in the
bubbles of l A and New York a lot of
times don't consider you know, like my family's home, like
content is content that's usually made for them, that's targeted

(40:33):
for them, like a multi cam or something like that
usually dumbs down to such a degree that it's not
it doesn't feel fulfilling, you know. And so to me,
this was the fun The fund is like in the
challenges to try and bring something that hopefully has real
thought and real perspective in it to you know, an
outlet that's targeted to America, you know, because I mean

(40:56):
there's a version of this that could exist on Immium. Yeah,
but I was like, I didn't make that. This isn't
you think you could do that? Though, I mean, I
think it would be fun to do. I think it
would be fun to try because you then you get
to just be you know, more personal. You can stay
in the pocket of something you can It's like those

(41:17):
jokes that I was saying that it's gonna go over
a lot of people's head. You're you're making such specific
art that you can kind of as long as it's
personal and it's you A lot of times those are
the better shows, so it would be fun to try
and do that. But for this this swing, it just
felt like a fun thing to multi camera for your show.

(41:37):
I think it makes it a little more subversive too,
because if it was something that was like on f X,
or if it was like you know, a Sonny, or
if it was you know, Louis or something that was
shot in like this is serious art, you know what
I mean, it was shot in that way, then you
know it kind of is you're kind of leading a
little bit. But when something has the facade of oh,

(41:58):
this is a multi camera family show, but yeah, grandmother
kills herself. Yeah, I mean the truth, that's what makes
it so fun. The most fun thing to do is
you have to imagine write like a lot of these
cold openings, imagining whatever we're following, and like we follow

(42:19):
like a little big shot spencer. So there's just a
reality competition with children just trying to make it really
the truth. Drama for a little big shots is the parents,
but we don't get into that. But we're just children.
Yeah yeah, yeah, just put the weight of their failures
on top of this kid who can juggle shoulders. But anyway,

(42:42):
that's what the kids really juggling, his father's hopes. But
but but you got this happy show. Steve Harvey's ripping
with families and like, and the kids made it to
the final round and he's crying and his grandma's crying,
and then you cut to like just our show, just
like you know, like you know, I broke a condom.

(43:04):
The next line, the next words they hear are that,
And you don't understand how fun that is. It's the
most fun. Has Comcast ever or your higher upset Comcast
ever said, uh, we can't do that. They've had caution.
They've actually let us get away with a lot of stuff.

(43:27):
The guys that Comcast that that I've encountered, actually really
liked the show. I really think. I mean, I'm not
I know it's easy to say. I don't want to
sound like if you watch the show next to most
any like multi camera especially or any like broadcasts like comedy,
what we try and do is the opposite, which is

(43:48):
like usually it's like turn your brain off. It's a
really happy world where everything's like shiny and people speak
in like kind of unrealistic joke patterns, and like even
the lighting and every think about it, and the subject
matter is usually even when anytime someone uses the word tackle,
that means that they're not going to tackle it. That
means that it's gonna be like tackle. You know, it's

(44:11):
gonna be some left leaning where all united, you know,
type of ending. I try and do the opposite of that.
I was just trying to look for whatever the real
thing is. The Trump episode with your dad would uh yeah, yeah,
you voted, yeah, voted for Trump, like I thought he
was gonna win. I felt like Trump was gonna win.

(44:32):
You felt that. That's I named the episode. We taped
it in April, and I named it President Trump because
I was like, Oh, He's gonna win. Like it was like,
there's no way he doesn't win, Like I really believed it.
And that's what I was gambling on that. And so
just seeing everyone go like, you know, Trump is bad
or not take them seriously to see boring and and

(44:53):
not real to what what what? Because I I think
I know where it comes from. But what made you
see that he was gonna win? Because we're infatuated with him.
It was like a very few things have seen in
my lifetime get this type of mass infatuation like one.
It's like it's like the O J Trial, the macarena.

(45:17):
God damn Donald Trump, you know what I mean? Like essentially,
you know, like like it's mass infatuated. We couldn't let
him go. We couldn't stop talking either side. And it's
just like that much publicity. You can't discount publicity in America.
You know. It's the thing, you know, Nixon v. Kennedy.

(45:39):
You know, Kennedy was younger and more attractive and willing
to wear makeup during the debate. You know, like it's
the He's the easier, the easier guy to market. He's
the marketing is this is America, and I love I
don't want to sell cudical, but marketing is everything and
everything you know is a lie. Hope you hope you enjoyed.

(46:02):
I hope you enjoying your afternoon. Hey, Rick, you you're
my dream comes knock about the Body? Was the Neighbors?
Your first movie? Was that your first time? Yeah? Yeah,

(46:22):
that was my first movie? Okay, how did that come about?
I had a meeting with Point Gray with Seth and
Evans Company, and then I did an audition and it
was the first audition I didn't walk out of I'll
walk out about that. I haven't auditioned, but I don't
like them. I don't like the room. I don't like

(46:42):
what it is. So so for someone audition, what did
you walk away from it and go into You go
into a room. Uh, you put your name on a
piece of paper, you sit down. There are other people
that are going out for this part. So usually it's
either people were in similar outfit it or people that
look alike in one room you're going you know, you

(47:05):
stand in a room with another person, you read lines,
You try and do a good read. They record you
on a video camera from like two thousand and three. Uh,
you know, you leave the room. You never hear from
him again. Typically it's what an audition is me. I'll

(47:25):
go to the room, sign a name on a piece
of paper, sit down, look to my left, look to
my right, stand up, mark my name off set piece
of paper. Go Why would you walk out? It's like, well,
what am I doing here? I don't like It's like,
am I what am I contributed to this project? What

(47:46):
is a contributor to me? Were lying to each other?
We don't have any use for each other. That are
sitting in the waiting room. Yeah, and those guys deserve it.
They were nicely, they got better smiles. That like they've
been working out is great. They given the the other
grids are killing it. Those dudes, really, they really got it.

(48:11):
They are knailing it. No, not for nothing. I feel
as though you are uh seconds away from your I'm
ready for my close up moment. But but do you
do you want to play that game? I have to
write it, I have to create the thing is like

(48:32):
one of the movies I'm working on is technically a
bigger comedy and it's a it's a concept that that
I came up with like a couple of years ago,
and it's a bigger comedy. You know. Bigger comedies typically
aren't that good, you know, like they really are the fun.
The same thing with like a multi camera, same thing
with anything is to bring some type of perspective or

(48:55):
thoughtfulness into the whatever we're doing. So I think you
can do. I think actually a huge action movie can
be good, you know, and like have like some type
of thought behind it. I think Beverly Hills Coop is great,
you know, but it's just my goal is just to
avoid you know, the mindless and avoid the horrible version

(49:20):
of it, you know, because there's a horrible version of Indie.
There's a horrible version of you know, everybody. Everything that
is a bit underground isn't good, you know, like, but
it's you're just trying to do the good version of it.
So that's what's fun is seeing if we can try
and do a good version. Are you developing? They have
movie ideas that you would like to starring yourself that year,

(49:43):
there's one I'm right and now, uh that that I'll
probably start in. I didn't want to start in it.
I wrote it and I was really hoping Jim Carey
was gonna do it. But before before writing, I partnered
with these guys Colin Ario, who wrote the bulk of
the script, and I had the concept uh and uh

(50:05):
I wanted Jim Carey for But then it's like you should,
you should just do it. It's still not too late
until it's recorded. The Jim Carrey stuff. Part of me
feels like you're like the reluctant celebrity is it that
you've seen other people trying to cross the street and
get run over or celebrity is or you know, all
the moneys behind the camera, and well, yeah, I care

(50:27):
about behind the camera a lot because I know that
a lot of things that we see are all producers
mediums and producers visions, and like being a producers that
it's my favorite role. Celebrity is like like in itself
is kind of cheap. Like I care about making stuff.
I like making things, and if any type of notoriety
is a byproduct, that's sure, but that's how I think

(50:50):
of it. I'm usually not even out, so I don't
even know, you know, like the like any type of
fame or just to have my face on something just
seems empty, you know, just to be in something just
seems emptier. I just wanted to be good. So it's
the reluctance is for quality, for quality sec. I'm just

(51:10):
kind of hesitant because I just want to be in
stuff that seems challenging and fun or interesting. I forgot
who the comedian was that they mentioned the package, and
I don't know if this is something we talked about
on the show You with Chris or somebody, but they
talked about the package where they say, all right, you're
gonna in your stand up career at some point, you're
gonna get the package where they say you know you're
gonna get the TV show and then the movie there

(51:34):
and then and you you know, you get a record
deal offer whole night. Can I produce the singing record?
I would come on, man, hey, hey if you could
do I just want you to do every know and
every know and then I I actually I say my
first version of hearing uh really love the Di Angelo record?

(51:56):
Had you want to saying this is a quest love
exclusive and yeah and so and that's like, yeah, so
if you just say that over whatever record me sing
in the background, this is you didn't hear traumatized? Yeah,
that I've never heard that. That was the That was

(52:19):
the That was like the first you actually felt like
you were we had something legal, so you didn't just
leak it. You actually said this is a quest of
place on the radio, not only played it on the radio.
Wait cut to holy crap. Cut to cut to a

(52:40):
night in Virginia. A night in Richmond, Virginia after route show.
Me and de ain't talked about talking over a year,
and I guess he just got words that the ship
came out and Steve called, I'm at a DJ gig.
He's like, look, you like warn me to run right

(53:00):
I don't remember how it went. I was like, but
I did warn you. You're like, look, I know you
don't know this, but cousins looking for Yeah, Deani's cousins
looking for you, so um just run. They must have

(53:20):
called me looking for you. And they're like, what club
you know they was? It was like Mr Big, when
did this happened? I was like two thousand five. We
were still warring with each other. I really, you know,
as much as like I like to claim being fast
forward with the Internet, that's one aspect I really didn't know.

(53:43):
I didn't know, Like you know, in my mind, I
was I was in Australia. I was in Perth at
an underground bunker college station like four in the morning
with like and I was just like, you know, I
was feeling myself. I was like, well here you want
to hear it? And I'm thinking, like, I'm just on
some local college radio show. Things. Really, I I'm in

(54:04):
Perth is like the loneliest place on earth. I didn't realize.
And then like three months later someone realized what they
were listening to and just destroyed my life. But yeah,
I mean four years later we made up. Man. But
if I knew you said, this is a question love exclusive.
I would have told his cousins where you were. That's

(54:27):
why I was on local Radie realized that, you know
internet radio. I don't listen to my radio in the
computer back then. Yeah. That so that somebody recorded or
something like that. Somebody and that's where people live for
six years. But it but it really set this tone

(54:48):
for how even when it came out years later on
the album, it set the tone for how I heard
the It really did feel like I was missing you wanted. Well, no,
it just when you say you're saying it, you felt like,
I mean, I really got some exclusive ship here. It
really it feels like how Frank Lucas did Heroin Deals.

(55:10):
It was like, yeah, I guarantee it. They know that,
Like because I just pictured you just in a basement,
like I could just see what did you put the
echo on exclusive Exclusive? It really felt like it really
felt like he could get killed for leaking, like you
felt it in his voice. He was almost Bacon, almost bacon.

(55:35):
That's how you dropped a joke. It's only a joke, Weekend, Yeah,
so what what I know? This is weird? But what
other comedians do you check for or should we check

(55:58):
for that? Mean about you know Jamar, that's number one.
Very few people make me laugh like him. What's he doing?
Not what's he doing now? But is he planning on entering?
Because he's such he's like sun riding me Like it's
just a very avant garde jazz guy that only he

(56:21):
has two other records, one record in which no one
likes his jokes, like it's just you hear the groans
in the audience and he's like, I don't I don't care.
But then the other one where they're laughing. I'm like, wait,
why would he release both records of the same material
with an audience feeling and an audience not feeling it.

(56:44):
It's just he is. He is brilliant to it. He
really is just like a brilliants like Andy Kaufman. Yeah,
and and he's he's going to do a special I think,
uh at some point when we were talking about it
the other night, Uh so hopefully soon because I I
am excited for his he he hasn't really jumped in yet,

(57:04):
you know, like the album Naked is such a you know,
Neil knows about a few people know about it, and
the people that know you know, love it, but I
think he's gonna jump in really soon. So he's a guy,
uh that I'm excited about. He's He's always on the show.
He's on my show. He just makes random appearances every season.
We just find a way for Jamaar to just like

(57:26):
appear in the hallway or um and uh, who else
there's this guy out of Chicago. He lives in New
York now he writes on s NOL. Uh So also
check from Comcast. Uh Drew Michael, who I think is
is absolutely brilliant. Like he's a guy that just like

(57:49):
you know, between him and Jamar, those are the guys
I would say. Check four in the new Joint the
eight the latest latest special. Um, I saw, Well, my
experience with it was was different because I just saw
it first and then I saw the I forgot what
that writer it was. What it was in where the

(58:10):
critic was there and he was just like, Yo, this
was odd. It was live. I can't remember what it was.
But um, but you say that you wanted the first
one love at the story felt more like a documentary.
To me. It felt like a documentary, like that was
just the way it was shot and like some of
the shots where it was just really close on you
and those real long pauses. Um, that was just something
man again that took a lot of balls, like to do,

(58:32):
thank you, Bo Burnham and Bow and I were just
we based it off like concert for it, like we
based it off of it had to be personal and vulnerable.
That was the goal because like you know, for me,
that was just a thing that I love about, like comedy,
like in humor, you know, just as a concept, just

(58:55):
the vulnerability of it. We really just wanted to focus
on that. We wanted the crowd like they were that island. Yeah, yeah,
always will get quite like and again it was take
It was for the experience of you being in your
homes watching it and seeing the von It was for
those those really tight moments, the silence, the you know,
the emotion of it. It was like just trying to

(59:16):
lean into emotion over over everything. When we watched concert footage.
We watched I mean everything. We we like, you know, movies,
you know, Sergio Leone type shots and and uh it
was inspired by like, um, this Marvin Gay album Vulnerable.
Yeah yeah that and the working title was called Vulnerable

(59:38):
and would kind of listening to that and like a
lot of concepts came while listening to that, and like, uh,
you know, even just performances more. There's this um Etta
James live in Montro where she sings That'd Rather Uplind Yeah,
And that is my single favorite live performance that that

(01:00:00):
I've ever seen, Like just it's so raw and emotional
and you know, and the faces there and she's making
expressions and it's weird and it's personal, and that was
the intention behind it was just this really personal thing
that just felt like a conversation that just felt true
to you know, who I was. What was it like
to do it in the round? It's really fun. I've

(01:00:21):
never seen a comedy thing in around is I have
limited experience with it too. It just that that also
made me feel really vulnerable because people are all around
the round and you're surround it, yeah you're and so
to lend itself. So I only did two performances in
the round around l A just before doing the round,
and then just went for it. And it just something

(01:00:42):
about it felt right, It felt natural, It seemed to
fit with you know, where the material was and where
I was. Did you naturally turn I naturally kind of
pace around like I kind of naturally, like I'll have
a lot of times it's a song in my head
and a lot of times I'm dancing and and it's weird.

(01:01:03):
I'm kind of stepping around and even like if a
song is strong enough, I'll I'm kind of saying things
to the rhythm of it, like on stage, like there's
certain like you hold certain words and you're trying to
match patterns, your patterns and stuff like that. So you know,
I always move, you know, I always like the the

(01:01:24):
default song would be like take five, like brew Back's
Tick five. It's kind of constantly just because the movement
is such a dance. So you like the lampaulse and
say that, yeah, like yeah, like kind of a little bit,
but only specific little and I'm not doing the whole thing.
It's not just singing or so. But that's your polarizing trick.

(01:01:47):
I get it. Chappelle Universe, Chappelle's polarizing chick. He yeah, Well,
if when you see him perform, you'll see, uh, he'll
put a cigarette in his mouth, not light it, let
it dangle. He'll grab a cup, put it to his
not drink it, and then he'll wake you up. Always

(01:02:09):
by hitting his his thigh. Yeah, like he'll laugh, do
the thing on this side. It's all of that is
hypnosis thing that he learned in uh communication class, which
is like there's a way to hypnotize the audience, to
always pay attention to rational mind, decreases in the emotional mind. Yes,
because you want him to drink like your mind then

(01:02:31):
immediately goes well, like you know what the next step is,
and it's a disruption of that step and yeah, yeah,
exactly mind. Yeah. Rhythm like jazz is of influence, like
Chris is repeating. Chris repeats, he sets up, he repeats,
especially the premise. The premise is gonna be very clear
to you by the time he does the punch for

(01:02:53):
Chris because of the yeah, the repeating Yeah yeah, it's rhythm.
So who teaches? Who's your teacher? As far as like
is it just uh work working out and and uh
kind of taking notes or is it who's your teacher?
As far as like letting you know, like how far

(01:03:14):
to go with your joking and your patterns and those
I kind of just figure. I mean, I mean there's
influence from I love rhythm. So every you know, Cosby
if you can't you know Cosby. Yeah, Jack Parr had
this really good speaking voice and like rhythm to his voice,

(01:03:35):
and and Jack Benny and be Arthur and you know, uh,
the way I will watch James baltwould speak like even
as a kid in Malcolm Exby, I watch a lot
of and would listen to a lot of speeches. I
like speaking in people's voices and the ebb and flow
of that. So you was it's about to quote it's
mostly the voice. Oh it's yeah, the voice. Yeah, it's

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it's like finding it. And didn't know that because yeah,
Dave said that. He's like, well, you know he took
on mail Blinks Bugs Bunny. He's like, I took a
mail Blinks voice and you can say anything and mel
Blinks voice it's going to be funny. Which I didn't
even think of that at the time. So the voice,

(01:04:18):
the Jack Parr, is this your definitive voice. Like Chris
Rock had two voices if you remember, like Born Suspect.
He didn't quite find his thing and then he found
the preacher voice and then that became his lock. So yeah,
it's it. What changes for me is rhythm like my
it's my voice like, but rhythm like that song element

(01:04:39):
of it is what changes is like that's why it's
you know, the pauses and this and that, and I
can hear it and you can kind of see it,
and so that's what changes for me. Um My voices
I have it. It's pretty close to you know how
I naturally speak on stage, I speak clearer. I'm like

(01:05:00):
a little joltsy in like off stage, like right now,
because there's always a million thoughts on stages actually paste
out more the way. Yeah, So the stuff that you
did on eight, had you tried in those jokes out before?
Had you been working? Yeah, yeah, I worked. I worked
on a lot of that. Some stuff, I mean, it's
always something new, like the uh, the opening of it

(01:05:21):
was the night before. I hadn't tried it, just it
was like the night before. Like but then, uh, there's
a couple of moments and then some moments that you
just think of in the you know, while you're doing it.
But most of it was stuff that I worked out
and thoughts that I wanted to do. Take us through

(01:05:43):
the construction of a joke and like you know, I
mean in English class, you know how they would have
the we would have the chart where would be like okay, exposition,
rise in action, falling action. Yeah, you know Dana mall
all that stuff. So like the beats of a joke
like particularly um, I mean the cereal joke, the one
I quoted like walk us through that, like how did

(01:06:06):
you know that? Or did you know that the nigga
you'll never have cereal line was gonna punch that? That was?
That was that uh that I did, like that in
its full concept from eating cereal uh with Jamar at
three and the more me and Jamar Uh we lived
together for a while and we would uh and started

(01:06:28):
getting money or whatever. The biggest change was cereal. We
just started by like we had all the cereal in
the world and then like it was just when one
night at three in the morning after a trip from
Ralph's like like we're like I said there, it was
just like and I said it as the as I
said the jokes like then we eat cereal like a

(01:06:49):
teacher told us, will never have seen like that's how
we like we It was like we were trying to
prove something and which we were, which we were as
the same thing with shoes or whatever you do. That
truth hit me and a lot of times when the
truth comes. That's what the joke is like. It's like,
oh yeah, that and everything else is setting up and
explaining that truth. Yes, I was good. Yes, So how

(01:07:11):
do you go take it from a truth to a joke?
Just argue it. It's like a lot of times I
have a point or fault and I'll just argue it.
I'll argue with friends, are argue it on stage based
off the audience's reaction and like the expression, I was like,
oh you still hate it, you still don't understand that.
I'll keep arguing it and then I'll find a way in.
That's kind of what I'm doing. I'm just arguing. Yeah,
the reserve that, I think that the reserve joke. The

(01:07:32):
bit was like both people have died? What was that?
That was from a real argument because of it was
it's a close friend of mine, not a little not
my little brother, but uh he uh joined the reserves.
I thought it. I told him, I thought it made
him arrogant. We were trying to watch Zero Doctorty together, Like, yeah,
he criticized that. I was. I was offended that he

(01:07:55):
had the audacity to criticize it, you know, being and
and and those are things that I said to him,
who is yeah, yeah, it was like we would have
never killed in line like that. I was like, motherfuck,
are you kidding me? Right now? We the bit you
did about your um uh how you know we're talking

(01:08:16):
with your accountant and being a being the first one
to make it out, isn't expense ye talk about that?
That was from a conversation. I really a lot of
the truths that that came. And I just texted and
told him I had h I was hanging out with
a Maverick Carter one night. U you know math do
you know Maverick Maverick Carter is one of the coolest

(01:08:39):
guy you gotta meet. Maverick Carter's like he uh works
with Lebron And it's just this one of the most
brilliant guys you know, I've ever met. And we were
talking about and and also from Ohio and you know,
uh we talked about that experience of growing up and
stuff like that, and talked about spending habits that needed
to be curbed once the ability to and so it

(01:09:01):
just it all comes from this really these realizations. Yes,
I know, I just had to google. I'm saying, oh yeah, yeah,
it's just the coolest. I like to shout out you
have you know, certain people that make you feel cool
to just like say, yeah, Maverick Carter is one of
those guys you just feel cool saying like you gotta
meet Maverick. Yeah he's yeah, he's incredible. When was the

(01:09:23):
turning point for you when your family or like your
people from the crib or whatever, where they realize like, oh, ship,
you're really making money. Oh it's just number. Yeah, you
know what's funny. I was gonna say, I don't know
because I did change. All it took was one one

(01:09:44):
cousin knew I don't know as yeah. Yeah, that was
like immediately, this isn't gonna work. How do you not?
How do you not feel? Uh? The survivors were more
uh syndrome as in, you know, I mean, there's two
ways to do it. You can neither alan and iverson
it and try to take everyone with you. But the

(01:10:05):
weight of everyone on your shoulders, you know, suddenly like
your cousins, your driver and your yea three cousins are
you know, or in the audience trying to holiday at someone. Yeah,
Like I keep the payroll small, keep it tight. But
because people they work for things that they're good at.
If there's a thing that you're good at, you know,

(01:10:26):
and it can contribute, then yeah, of course, but I don't.
I don't have that because you end up hurting people
more than you and you help them. It really is
the teacher man to Fish philosophy, where it's like you
don't want to hurt obviously, sometimes there's immediate needs and
you hear those and you try and help when you can't,
you know, accordingly something health wise or something really personal,

(01:10:49):
this happening. But but just for the sake of it
hurts them, you know, they don't really learn anything. They
don't look. Yeah, you become a crutch and they don't
learn anything. They don't try and and grow. So I
I talked, I mean a lot of times. The biggest
thing you can give is is your truth or any
type of advice or any type of like, uh, you know,

(01:11:10):
help you can give in that way. I'm try and
be open to that, because I like, people only want
what people always want to win the lottery. Everybody wants
to even as a kid. Is gonna sound like bullshit,
you know, but growing up poor by my biggest fear
because my dad played all the time. My biggest fear
was winning the lottery. It was I I was terrified

(01:11:33):
of the thought of it, of the thought that we
would someday win the lottery, because then it takes out
the need for me. I was afraid of being written
out of my own life and the need to like
drive and figure something out. And I was afraid of
that because I was like, oh no, I want to
I make millions. It needs to be off of work.
I was always terrified of it, even poor with nothing.

(01:11:55):
I was terrified winning the lottery. And I'm still I
still am. I'm just specials of it, and I don't
trust it, and I don't trust what it does for you.
I don't trust what it Who is the negro whisper
in your head? Because you've already you've given three or
four examples, alrighty, Like I don't want it easy. I
wanna learn the hard lessons so that way my character

(01:12:19):
can And I'm like, who are you like where that's
what it is? But I just always felt I always
felt that way because it's not. I mean, first of all,
like that's the point of life. The point of life
is like you learning these lessons, figuring things out. That's
also the only way you can't contribute, you know, the
only way you can understand something and help someone else

(01:12:42):
on their own journey, on their own path. So it's like,
why would you write yourself out of that? Like why
would you try and take some easy route that that
cheapens it for you? You know, to you, it felt
like if y'all hit the lottery, that would take away
any lesson that you would have to Yeah, then then
what And it didn't. It didn't liked feel fulfilling in

(01:13:02):
any way just winning the lottery, you know. It just
there's never one documentary I haven't watched it. It's about
like people that like committed themselves after they killed themself
after winning, nobody held on to the money. It's like
stories of like five or six people. It was a
TV show too, Okay, Well I always wanted to do
this personality test, and now I could do it on

(01:13:22):
my own show, of course, Love Supreme. All right, you
just one the lottery. Let's let's let's make it small
on say, nine point five million dollars. I love that
you say small. Stop criticizing me. I'm not stop using
them adjective, not just for lottery that is a small

(01:13:45):
is small ship like the power ball. That's likely. I
mean my daddy just want two hundred dollars other day
and we was happy. But go ahead, little money, go ahead, ready, yeah,

(01:14:07):
better boss bill optimism. You won nine point five million dollars.
What's the first thing I do? What is the very
first thing you do? Pay off some bills? Okay, so
you're gonna claim that ticket? Yeah? What what? Yes? Strike one?

(01:14:28):
What would be the first thing you do? First thing
I would do? Start planning my exit out of the country.
So I talked about girl and like, well, yeah, you
tell her, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would tell her. I
mean she's bobbing my wife, so I mean it's if
you know, I would let her like a yeah, hold up,

(01:14:49):
hold up waiting that minute, and I will start plotting
and planning. I mean my bills, like I don't really
got like I don't carry that hing like that, so
it must be nice, I mean, would be truthfully. I mean,
I'm already I'm trying to think of the family member

(01:15:10):
who I'm giving the ticket to or like either either
if I find like what I think is the right
case of you know, like or or just person that
I could I would give the truthfully, I know it
sounds like give it away. Yeah, would you sign it
some type of document at least getting just a clean here,
trust me, some five meal is not. I mean that's

(01:15:35):
not Let's say you're getting like leave the country. Like
the first thing I'm going, like, my life is I
once knew what it is over alright, I'm paid bill
even come from from your past will come out out
of nowhere asking that point millions, like after taxes, like nigga,

(01:15:56):
you buy a couple of RBS and like you know,
some some wings stops like yeah, choice, a couple of
Yeah Castles, Roy Rogers, maybe the purchase I put the
money away from my kids, and then I probably give

(01:16:17):
some of it away. It's crazy, you guys, but I'm
buying Trader Joe's and I put him in the hood. Um.
And then also I'm going to just get put a
certain lot of money for the community, as in my
black folks, and then I'm going to pay my taxes first.
It's going don't million, You're you're only getting like six

(01:16:40):
year taxes in the hood. I don't buy all the weed,
and I don't know, I don't understand that already I
paid my dad back for all the money he's here
one million. That is strange because I would think the

(01:17:00):
why is this thing to do? One is never all
right for starters, never let anyone know you got money,
which I believe in that Russell Simmons way, of which
you know who doesn't think Russell Simmons has money. There's
a period. There's a period, def Champion Russell was like

(01:17:22):
super bumped, like pre yoga drugs. Russell like Rick Rubin.
But I would actually find a fall guy, because the
thing is, when you claim the ticket, it's going to
be a ceremony. What I would literally find a fall
guy and broker a deal. All right, I'll give you

(01:17:44):
ten million, you sign this contract, you're gonna be the winner.
But quietly, I'm gonna take my my whatever my one
ten give you the ten million or whatever. Actually was
not in every state. You'd have to claim it, though
I've got which states it is. But or you can
you can remain anonymous New York. You have to claim it, okay,

(01:18:07):
So I would not tell. I wouldn't tell, So I
wouldn't even tell my wife, or I would tell nobody.
How you dollars from your wife, how that becomes that
becomes the new Brewsters millions. Your your marriage is gonna end.

(01:18:28):
Your marriage is over if you do that. You know that, right,
And that's an interesting That is interesting the thought that
UH would leave you for heaven money because you were
not telling you. Yeah, but no, that's an interesting thought. Yeah.

(01:18:48):
I'm trying to feel like, if you have nine figures
in your possession, no one is going to be genuine
with you, right right. But then there's some people like
Lie is a great example, like Lye is the I'm
gonna treat you like an asshole to let you know

(01:19:10):
that I don't think you, but I love you anyway,
pretty act. I don't know what I would tell you.
My wife be the only one I would tell. I'm
like listening like mama, my mama. Would I tell my mom?
I wouldn't go see because then your mom was just
like other people. If I told my mama, you gotta
protect your you gotta protect your mom. We've had this

(01:19:33):
conversation before. What you gotta do is roll up on
Sally May and just throw that ship and they face
and say, fuck you take this hundred thousand dollars. I'm sorry.
I got student loans. But that anyway, so you don't
know about okay, because they really paid off many a
student loans. Okay, not as eighty thousand dollars. If you
feel no, I'm done paint student loans. That's I'm done anyway. Boy,

(01:19:59):
that was forever here. Where are you going with this? Yeah? No,
what he mentioned about about lottery tickets and giving it
away and that sort of thing. So I was just curious.
So there was like a so, we're not bad for

(01:20:20):
cashing in. We're just but you're saying we shouldn't tell people.
I don't think you should tell a soul and you
should find someone to claim it. And then everybody's gonna
be wondering if I'm selling drugs when I show up
with my car. If you're not, if you're not, I
think if you're not, if you're not married, I would
I would agree with that, But I think if you
can't share it, if you can't share with you, like,

(01:20:40):
why are you? Like? Why are you married? You got
a protected because I feel like, no, I think I
gotta protect each other like y'all can't. It's in your life.
Will keep a secret that my significant other has a
hundred and fifty million on standby, they're gonna buy some
sort of bag or some pair three thousand dollars shoes
or some ring that doesn't give it away like that. Now,

(01:21:02):
if you just buy like a fucking fleet of Tesla's
or some ship, then yeah, you're going to jail. You're
gonna get wrong. But like a new bag or new whatever.
I mean, you know, like you know, we make decent money,
like niggas give buy cereal, so like give it away?
You know what? I don't know if you title each

(01:21:26):
so we officially the question. I can't wait to share
that one episode. Don't don't. But I wasn't like when

(01:21:50):
you go back to the career, man, Like when you
go back, can you walk through Haynes Mall and just
still be ye sunglasses? I'm usually just that home. I
have four nieces and a nephew and I'm like just
them there. I'm just like playing with them. Like that's
usually what I go. We go, uh, we go to

(01:22:12):
Uh there's this Uh it's called Japanese American. I have
to prepsence, yeah, because not just learning from living in
l A for years, it is not a Japanese experience
by any stretch of the imagination, but Mexicans come out
and yeah, yeah, actually that's where I saw ninth. That's

(01:22:34):
where I actually met ninth for the first time. We
shared a table at a at a BACI restaurant like that.
You may get me there. I'll go like there, you know,
but then like I just stay in and eat, you know,
play with my nieces and nephew. You chicken. Every now
and then. Every now and then I do like I
we had to stop. It's great, it's great, it's fantastic.

(01:22:57):
Every now and then I'll go out. I'll go out there,
take fifty two. That sounds awesome, en, it's like actually,
because you're going towards as a Black Mountains fifty two
like going yeah yeah, like Pilot mount Yeah yeah. Usually
I'm just like like laying in my mom's lap. Folks

(01:23:19):
are still in Winston. That's still there. That's it. That's
the only only place, the only place. I'm not thinking
about emails and just like laying my mom's just turned
into a child. I was like all right, and she's
like annoyed by like like move out my cry. Okay,

(01:23:40):
that's that's still there. That's still that's still there and
they still like, have you done the celebrity I'm about
my mom my house thing? Yeah? Or have you only
stopping me? She's very She's like me, I get it.
She's like me as well, and like you know, wants
drawn the very independent family. Who but I do I

(01:24:04):
with that set all of all of those things. I
just force it on. It was just like for it,
just like cautious. Yeah, they're always that false minds. No. No,
it was just like it's like, okay, what year is this?
What your car is this? You want to get well, Gerard,
I thank you very much for coming through on the

(01:24:25):
clutch Man. Thank you serial episode. It looks so different. Yeah,
I know, listen, I'm gonna go and uh you know, yeah,
he has some mixes that he wants me to wants
to check out something, Gonna do that. But it's nice
to stop buying them between sessions, all right, Yeah, because

(01:24:47):
you got eminem right after the eminem is right after that.
The whole thing, you know, the life of Rick Rubin
you guys, never boy oh boy, yeah man. Yeah, it's
gotta keep telling clearly, never met Rick. I can't I
can't even jump into literally just nailed down yeah, you
nailed it, trust me. So when the season starts win one,

(01:25:13):
we will be there front and you still doing You're
still doing like clubs and stuff. You still like just
working stuff out. You haven't been on the road in
a while. Just I've been working on the show. And
then uh, jump into some features. I'll mostly just being
New York. Uh probably the summer between here and New York. Uh,
and I'll jump into the cellar and you know, try

(01:25:33):
and be a comedian again. I'm excited. So like if
you came to so like like Charlie good Knights and Raley,
that would you play that kind of maybe? Yeah, I haven't.
I never do stand up. We talked about going home,
like I don't do stand up. I just I just
lay low. I just like if I'm in North Carolina,
I'm like eating bowl Jangles man, Just what is there? Yeah?

(01:26:00):
I ride for vote Jangles and I'm technically a vegan.
Just say it's different, just like Papa is just a businus. No,
what do you mean? It's not. It's on that level.
It's on that level. It's that either of them on
a good day, you know what I mean. It's like

(01:26:21):
you want to it's like it's like watching Steph Curry
and Lebron play each other there. This is like this
was the last time you've been. I just want to
Pop Eyes like two weeks ago, and the biscuits was
like flatter and it's just no, no, no no. You
request were riding though. We're not Jangles around here, and

(01:26:42):
I think both Jangles didn't make it out of this.
I think they got one like they have been. Yeah.
I think it doesn't go past Texas or something. I
think that's yeah, yeah, they had one onwards. A whole
Chicken episode. We do. Yeah, I'm gonna go to the
Chicken for like maybe a month, go back to Chicken.
Just if you go back Chicken. I don't think you're
gonna baby to go back. I know you were so

(01:27:06):
real with that. I was vegetarian for like closer two
years and beef poor all that. I gave no ships
about that, y'all. Bird homing. Yeah, like I'm back to
a last night I'm meant to you. I'll meant you
last night. I drove in front of Roscoe's come on,

(01:27:32):
come on, and I was just like ar because that's yeah,
but you vegan, do you do like the fake uh,
because that's what I can't. But I don't. I like,
you know, veggies or whatever. I like going to cross Roads,
but where I stopped is when it's like these are meatballs.
And then if you don't lie to min but if

(01:27:53):
you don't, if you're true blue to it and once
half to shugar and soon leaves you. You know, like
when you're going to diet whatever, and then you when
you're not eating right and you taste the diet cook
or whatever, it tastes like nasty ship. But once you
really adjust your thing, you're like, oh, it says like
regularly because you brought your sugar down. Um. I'm writing

(01:28:15):
for Impossible Burgers to the Day Burger. Yes, have you
tried an impossible burger? Is that it does? Momofu cu
in New York? Yes, and and and Crossroads has it.
I My life goal is to invest maybe get half

(01:28:36):
percent of stock and Impossible Burgers that will be my
winning line. And it's total plants. It's total plant base. Uh,
it's I mean, they just their their secret was that
they discovered that blood is the element that has us
addicted to meat. So they have a blood formula. Yeah,

(01:28:57):
the blood formula is beats olive will they have a
blood formula inside of the impossible burger and it taste
you just tell me that we're all vampires. It's like
we're all discovering that we're vampires, just like, oh wait,
so we are. Bill Gates invested in this company. The

(01:29:17):
scientists did a study for like seven years and discovered
that the element because they wanted to know, like why
does veggie food taste crappy and hamburgers taste so delicious?
And once the study was that there's no blood element
in there that has us addicted. But you know what

(01:29:40):
gets me again, It's like things were like when you
start putting burger on it, I wish they didn't call it.
If they called it anything else, impossible patty of of science.
Even if I call it science Patty, I'm like, okay,
I'll try it, because you're not. There's a lot of
it's just vegan hot dog. I'm like, fuck you, I

(01:30:03):
know what a hot dog? Yeah, Like that's the thing.
It's like I can't funk with the vegans because it's
like they are I mean with two things. One it
kind of feels like a colt. It kind of just
feel like branched the videos that don't eat cheese. So
it's like that's scary. But then it's the other part
is like so part so much of veganism is predicated

(01:30:25):
on oh, we have stuff that tastes just like this,
like nigger, I can just go get to a non vegan,
to a non vegan. But but but I feel like
if you like, okay, if it was a religion, right,
and if you were like, okay, I am Islam, right,
just for example, you say I'm Islam, but my Islam
is just like Christianity, you know what I mean? You're like, no,

(01:30:46):
not my friend. I could just go friend my friend.
You have to put it the best, he said, Uh,
basically that it would be. It's as absurd to a
meat eater to have like a like fake meat, you know,
as if you're vegan and someone gave you a carrot
made of beef. It's the same thing. It's just like

(01:31:07):
how dare you? Yes, it's it's it's Jedi mind tricking
yourself cashing macaroni, and it's can we just in the
show like that Margaret? Yeah, on that note, or and

(01:31:28):
behalf of fan Tigelo and uh sloppy Margaret, shout out
to the Tall Clossville and I'm baid, Bill and Shuga,
Steve and our guest Geran Carmichael. Thank you very much.
Science patty Yeah, science patties. Yeah, I'm men, get a

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few science patties. This is Quest Love, Quest Love Supreme.
We will see you on the next go round. Thank you.
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