Robert “Kool” Bell

This week's episode of Questlove Supreme takes you into the minds of one of the most genius, transformative and successful bands of all time, Kool and the Gang. Robert "Kool" Bell joins Quest and Team Supreme to chronicle the story of the band that crossed multiple genres, leading to a constant reinvigoration of their music through some of the biggest Hip Hop hits ever! Yes hits on top of hits on top of....Needless to say, it's flower time! 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Question. Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio.
Shall we start? Let's do it. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
to another episode of Course Love Supreme. I'm your host
of Quesse Love Jenkins. Uh, you got the Supreme family,

(00:21):
fresh off of our fifth anniversary, fresh from the uh
mac Galloh, what's up? I'm pay Bill. I'm just saying
I was just took off my outfit from met Galla.
Everything's good, it was good, it's fun. Where did you go? Wow? Yeah, yeah,
I was. I was Kim's uh you know date was

(00:43):
black a second. Can you imagine if that was the
thin dude you work with muppets all day? Of course
I can imagine that you could have just borrowed Inn
the outfit. That's what's more American than than the Muppets.
I will say I've had some great Halloween costumes care
of the costume department at Sesame Street. I was I

(01:04):
was gonna say, are you allowed to borrow like extra
costumes if you return it. I'm not sure if a
loudest correct word, but yes, I have procure procure that
like a spare big bird offset. I have not snuck
puppets offset that would give me like, you know, jail time.
But I have stolen other people's costumes for sure. Yeah,

(01:27):
we got we gotta reinterview one day. Bill. Hey, you
know I am a book of open knowledge. What I'm
a open book. That's fine, that's fine, That's that's fine
with me. I'm ready to talk at any time. You
tell me what talk, I'll go, sugar. Steve, have you
have you found Have you found God? Yet? Not exactly,

(01:49):
but I am working on the greatest audio book right
now to tell Steve. Look, okay, I went overboard in
the pandemic. I wrote two books and it's it's held.
Steve is losing his hair right now because the book
is like thirty chapters one hair. Oh wow. Yeah, I
mean you know I didn't had nothing to do. I
was doing Summer Soul in the day, be be born

(02:11):
on the farm. At night, you start journaling, and somehow
I got turned into a thirty chapter book or whatever.
You should break that join up. You should break that up,
John up into an audio book into thirty second snippets
and put that shirt on Spotify and ringal numbers up. Yeah,
you just got marketed. That. That's why we wish we

(02:34):
paid Frante the big bucks that you see he's wearing
his glasses today. Smart. I got my stringle bell glasses.
He's smart, learning on my company all day right and
with the with the special our burn. I think that's
I don't know if it's my red light or your

(02:55):
real family to me because as as family, I don't
recognize I got my hair done until two months later.
That is uniform or thank you, we are family. It
is that shows you that we're real guys, because guys
don't recognize. We don't notice. No we noticed if you
cut it, like if you cut it, I don't notice
ould you cut your hair? But a new style two

(03:15):
months cool there saying this is what I just said.
Before we get into it. I just wanted to also
big up to l A because we got a big
decision to make today. I know this is gonna come
out later, but some newsom newsom crazy mess. I have
faith also running for governor of California. See the list
is long enough. Hey man, You know, um, look about

(03:35):
our guest today. Without any doubt in my mind, I
believe that our guest is the founding member of the
first hip hop band, meaning a unit without a direct leader,
you know, no, no disrespect to the James Brown Empire

(03:56):
and whatnot. And even though technically Virginia's own Winston's They're
They're a classic single, Amen brother, that interpretation of you know,
Curtis Mayfield's uh, We're a Winner, which weird enough, they
never got litigious one. But I don't want to open
up any canon worms with that. Even though that's been
sampled five thousand plus times, making that the most sampled single.

(04:18):
I'll say that our guest today holds as leader of
this band, holds the dubious honor of having the most
sample catalog by a band um in music. And I'm
not saying hip hop because that's that's limiting it. Like
throughout music, pop artists have sampled cool and so yeah.

(04:39):
And you know this name like Summer Madness has been
used billions of times. Uh in t no title, people
don't know the NT stands for no title name him
jungle boogie, give it up, Hollywood Springing, Uh, Winter Sadness,
sport with lightning rode jungle jazz. What was that? What
was what was the whole happy jappie with oh little children,

(05:00):
little children exactly like over I believe the precise numbers,
eighteen hundred samples over songs that have either sold gazillion
triple or or just been declared classic. But to me,
what's more, probably more incredible about the legacy of cooln Gang,
is probably their ability to check the forecast and adjust

(05:26):
accordingly throughout the decades. Um be it like they're their
their jazz soul instrumental heavy beginnings with those like the
self titled record and the two live albums that came
after it, Yeah Live at Pjas Sex Machine, the soul
oriented stuff like Music and Message and Good Times um

(05:46):
or their funk masterpiece Wild and Peaceful, Uh, Light of
the World, Spirit of the Bookie. Those records probably one
of the finest disco jazz. I'm sorry, here's a new word.
I just figured out paid bild I was not a
new word. I did not know what a portamantal was.
The combination of they call it dazz music disco jazz anyway,

(06:09):
um and in the Open Sesame record, and also their
growth into adulthood with Celebrate and Ladies Night, and you
know their pop success jo Yes in the Heart, Joanna's
album as One Something Special and the Emergency Record were
like one of their biggest selling albums UH to this

(06:30):
day hashtag to this day. UH. This band continues to
still operate and their sound is around forever, be it
UH samples or seeing them a real deal live. They
still make records and they continue to brighten our lives.
And this is a long overdue, overdue episode of Ques
Loves Yes Bason. Gentlemen, please welcome the namesake of one

(06:53):
of the greatest bands in music, Robert Cool Bell Cool
in the game how are you? How are you doing today?
I'm going five request you know his story and when
it comes to Cooling the gay, Well, you guys made me.
You know, I'm I'm I'm just glad to be in

(07:13):
in in great company. And you know, you guys literally
have have have written the blueprint that you know, we
we are still following. And you know, it's hard to
do that. Like oftentimes when people look at the story
of groups and bands that have been around since the
sixties and the seventies, there's there's a point in the

(07:34):
eighties in which you kind of have to make life
decisions on do you go with the flow, do you
fight it? Do you sabotage it? And you guys, probably
I'll see that. Of course, the story of Jackson's this exemplary.
But you know, you guys, along with the Pointer sisters,
along with Lionel Richie, like the transition for making it

(07:55):
to the seventies to the eighties, was it very hard?
When that most people it and make it. Yeah, they
take it for granted. Like a lot of those you
know that we loved, they found they found some sort
of uh, sustaining power via the power of sampling. But
you know, there was a period in the eighties in
which a lot of those bands didn't make it. You
guys found a way to really adjust and the silence

(08:18):
as we say, silence to the haters that might have
had to stay because every record didn't sound like Jungle
Booky whatnot. But I mean, I I personally love in hindsight,
how you guys have done that. And you know, as
a member of a black band that's almost going on
in the third decade, I mean, it's it's exemplary. Thank you,
Thank you very much on people. Exemplary. Um, you don't

(08:42):
also want to know yesterday I got in the mail
your I love your also your fay into the spirit
speaking of the spirit of the Bookie the spirit world. Um,
you have your own champagne called lay cool like I like,
and I'm holding it even though right they can't see

(09:02):
it at home. I'm showing you guys right now that
you know Robert cool Bell has its own When did
you When did you get to actually a mirror? But
when when did you? When did you first start your
kind of your foray into the world of a fine drink? Well,
I mean what happened was I was on tour about

(09:24):
three or four years now from Molda. He came up
to me said, listen, you know we had wasn't fast
and we had about twenty days seven sold out and
we come in to do a tour. Of course, to listen,
I'm doing a champagne. Uh what the late berry white
and the berry white look alike and also one of

(09:46):
the bigs at the time there was a very white
lookalike touring Europe. Yeah, they had a look like you
would do a supper club dates. Wow, okay, I wasn't
ready for that one. He asked me. Uh he said,
uh uh would you like the uh uh sell champagne

(10:10):
on your tour and come up with your own champagne?
I said, well, listen, I don't think that my fans
we want to take a bottle of champagne. Uh after
my show. They want t shirts and caps and stuff
like that. So I said, listen, I wanted to get
on the shelves. He says, oh, so yeah, I want

(10:32):
you on the shelves. I talking about the tour promotem
with this idea and concept with the leg who Champagne
and uh up in the rims would they make down
Perio Crystal, all the big boys up there. You know,
we end up cutting the deal with the birth of

(10:53):
family and we worked on his football a year and
a half with the cool Champagne, and I wanted to
have that surprise element like coming to America, Eddie Murphy,
that the America And that's how I got solid with
that several years ago. Last year, uh, the one the

(11:16):
most successful, but we got a hippop pandemic and everything else.
So but that's kind of how it happened. I'm feeling that,
I'm feeling that you know that that's that's that's a
hard world to break into. So you know, I'm glad
that you found a way to get into it, because
you know, it's it's uh, this looks is a classic
package here. I'm definitely seeing you about uh on pay Bill.

(11:39):
I always won the yeah, the fact that how does
country board from yak Town, Ohio break into the cocktail?
How do your how did you get you know something?
I gotta say that on on your on the official
Cooling the Gang Instagram page, those those little um animated

(12:01):
vignettes that you guys were doing and telling the history
of the group. It's probably one of the best surprises
I've ever seen, because I mean, I've heard the story
of the group, but to visually see that, it's it's
a wonder that you guys even made it two even
form a band like not even to get to this

(12:22):
point where you are as as as legacy, but just
what you guys have to go through just too form
a band for for our listeners that have not heard
or seen. First of all, I recommend that you guys
follow cool In the Gang and look for these like
minute long bits or there, oh and so on YouTube

(12:44):
is well. One I want to know, are you guys
want to continue that series to tell the story of
the band that in that manner because I love it,
But can you tell us basically your beginnings from where
you were born to to what brought you to Jersey
to even form the in yeah we um answer, yeah,
we want to continue that. Uh we stopped uh where

(13:08):
where you see right now? Of course I lost my brother,
but a lot of stuff shelf and also you know,
and then uh we lost d T. I was you know,
another part of it. But let me go back on
yasun Ohio. We started off as the the Jazzy Acts.

(13:28):
The name was changed to the soul Town Band. It
was the organization in Gersey City was trying to be
like Motown and we became the band. So we would
have to learn all these Motown hits and records and
we had about fifteen people on the show and we
had to learn all these songs. So we got out

(13:49):
of there from the Soul Down Band and we came
up with Cooling the Flames. Now, our first manager father
was working with James Bound and uh he said, listen,
you can't go with coolness plays because you have James
Bound in the famous Flames. What year was this? That

(14:11):
was back in nineteen sixty three? Okay roughly no, no, no, no,
even no, I have been nothing sixty five but nothing
we saw sixty four. Uh So that's when you said
when you can't use the flames, because we said, well,
we don't want to have any problems with the Godfather,

(14:34):
so why don't we just call ourselves Cooling the Gang.
The music was a mixture of the jazz and the
R and B when we were the Soultown Band, and
that's when we found Cooling the Gang and we came
out with our first record in July third, nine nine. Okay,
one of the most interesting um elements in telling that story,

(14:57):
and I'm sure that a lot of our listeners, especially
the younger ones, might not be familiar with could you
just talk about speaking of your names like the gang, Um,
could you just briefly describe, like the the ideals of
actual gangs, at least in your territory, because that was
like one of the most interesting aspects, Like you guys

(15:20):
were talking about like the fact that neighborhoods were just
overrun with gangs and whatnot, and you guys used music
as an escape to not go down that route. But
how heavy was gang activity in your formative years, like
your team years and and and whatnot. Well, I'm trying
to make it. I mean, we're you know, we're we're

(15:41):
we're a we're a nerdy Joe, so you don't have
to give us the truncated answer like we we like
those those nerdy details. Yeah. Well, what happened was that
I moved uh Gersey City my family, and uh I
noticed that I uh my mother sent me to the

(16:03):
store they get a little for bread at that time
was called Lucy Called, and two guys walked up to
me and said, uh, give me your money. What ye
give me your money? So they the two quarters or
whatever and I have My mother said, well, boy, are

(16:23):
you gotta go back and get that quarter? I said,
I don't know what you guys are, but anyway, so
I realized that I was gonna have to be a
part of what was going on or I'm gonna have
to be the victim what was going on in the
streets of Generse City in New York, you know, on
the surrounding areas. And that was before I changed my

(16:48):
name to Cool. My name was to Mango. To Mango.
To Mango was the significant of to Mango. We know
what happened with that. The that movie had Doty Jagergy
and there the slave from Africa and they went to Mango,

(17:10):
I took on I took on that name, and I
end up those two guys. One name was Quinto, the
other name was Monk, and the other man was Tiger.
So I became a part of that game. And I
turned around and I end up being the leader of
that game. And we had about twenty strong. What yeah,

(17:37):
in the movie and the book that the whole story
before cooling, damn, And so I had to learn the
ways the way up the street at that time. So
you're saying that you had natural born leader skills that
you know you've always had your whole life. Is that

(17:57):
what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well my brother come
of pull me out of that police getting a little
rough out there, and I started playing the bass, and
uh we saw the working uh the boys club, and
uh you know, and things started changing a little bit.

(18:18):
I was gonna say this, this is sort of archetype story,
where like where you hear people just randomly say yeah
and then I started playing piano. But like, how long
does it take you, like how from how what was
your musical i Q? Before you picked up the bass?
And how long did it take you before you're confident
enough to know I can play in a band or

(18:40):
I can be a musician. Well, uh, the let's Spike
makings his brothers playing guitar. I have to come back
Spike's house, and I learned how to play one song
on one string called coming Home Baby. Okay, We're working
in the cafe well one night and at least man,

(19:03):
why don't you come up? Because I was playing Cuba's
boas and stuff. He said, what you um, come on
up and let's play that one song, you know, as
you learned on that one strain, and the guy gave
me a base about the base and I played Coming
Home Baby. So wait, I'm sorry. It is the question
not when did you start playing bass, but when you
started playing Counga's then, because then you just threw that

(19:25):
in there. And that's back in Uptown, Ohio, paint can okay,
looking four bongles. We used to sit up and uh Youngtown, Ohio,
and it was a school called the mac of Uh School,
and we used to take the paint care depending on

(19:45):
how much paint is left in the bottom of the
camp createdly that's gonna get yeah, So we played paint cares.
We gave to Jersey and if my brother father, but
uh some bongles us too, learning this one song and
then I started um listening to you know, different songs,

(20:08):
and then Charles Smith used to show me some lines
within the base and that's when we became a part
of the Soldier Man. And the name Cool that came
about because there was a guy in the neighborhood and
he was a hood and he uh, his name was Cool.
He's supposed to it was a c I gotta get
out of this thing. I like that name. So I

(20:30):
took on the name Cool and spelled minds with the cape,
not knowing that that was the beginning it was gonna
lead up to Cool in the game. I did Cool
ever found out that you were inspired by his name
because you said he wasn't like, you know, not not really.
I mean, he was one of those guys in the
Projects man, but you was a boss. No, not really.

(21:01):
So we're the fellow members of the the original incarnation
of the group. Were they also gang related as well?
Like how did you wind up organizing the band? And
also like, I mean, I'm not saying that you know,
I understand the finances of the situation, and in terms
of that, you know, I know it's not profitable for

(21:27):
any you know, band over four members to really make
money like that. So, like, how did you incorporate the
other members that start at least the first incarnation of
the band once they became cool in the game. Well,
I mean we started as l eight members. When we

(21:47):
became cool in the game, we were all playing, you know,
at the soul Town Band and the soul Town band
we were. We created and learned the motile hits. Me.
I would listen to Mom Jamison, uh the line to
plan you know. Uh for the motown artists. None of

(22:09):
those guys would from the streets. I'm the only one
that had to deal with that. Okay, So what were
those early shows like, like, did you still once you
transition into music then, you know, were you able to
successfully leave the street world that you're trying to escape
from behind? Or do you still have to worry about

(22:30):
those things when you're at shows, when you're going to rehearsal,
when you're just walking around the neighborhood by yourself, Like, like,
once you make that transition to a music musician, does
that world still try to suck you in and bring
you back to it? Or you know, once you became
a musician, everyone respected that. Okay, he's a musician down

(22:52):
like leave him, leave him be. Yeah, yeah, you have
the problems, you know a little bit, you know, you
know you're playing with with the pool, the game now whatever, right,
you know, hardcore god quick try to create some problems.
But I was able to get through that. But that

(23:13):
was but yeah, we had that. Oh man, you know
sold out man you playing that music stuff. Man, they
saw it as a step back like some you're being
a nerd now you're you're That's how they saw that,
got the music, and they was in the streets. But
you know, I think, I think, I think for for God,

(23:37):
for the blood of that, because all them guys are
all dead and so to jail. That was a blessing
to make it through that during that time. I'm curious, uh,
because I'm familiar with their history with you know, acts

(23:58):
like uh Louis Rema and like g M Alone. I'm
curious to how you found you know, like Fred uh
well did you did you have dealings with Fred vigor
Roto and Fred uh Fyoto and Ted uh Simon Simon Eaddy.

(24:18):
I forget their names. I get those guys mixed up
with Hugo and Luigi, but basically the three friends of
ours that started Delight Records. Um, I know that gene
Red was on the staff, but how how did you
guys make the transition from local band too? Let's make
a record? Okay, so just talking about and yeah, like

(24:43):
can you talk about them and how they operated? I've
heard stories, but you know, well there was a small
gene Min story. Okay, he was a manager with KOLs
Records and then uh changed to we went from Red
Coach to the Light. I remember Mr V, Fiolo, Frenny

(25:11):
and Mr V. They came back to my house in
Jersey City and knocked on the door. There's two guys
down there with these tell you looking guys. So Mr
be that they came in it out and listen, this
is how you live in he said. Listen, Um, when

(25:35):
it's just like problems with Mr Red and uh, we
want to bring you guys over to the Light Records.
So that was and they put a lot of pressure
on Mr Jim Red. He heard a story like the
five heartbeat. They must have hung about the window one then,
so listen, you're gonna give up as it even for

(25:55):
the heart beats, you say, Red, I was like, is
there a connection? Oh yeah, yeah, I was wondering. I
was wondering how you know, if those stories were true?
My dad had like minor dealings with with Delight because
they were also associated with Pickwick Correct Pickwick and the Nasal. Yeah. Yeah,

(26:20):
you know what with New involved, I was not. I
was not involved with those guys, may be clear. Yeah,
it's just that my dad, you know, my dad's Philadelphia
and you know, after his his parase into oldies doo
wop um, you know, he would do like these little

(26:42):
one off records in the sixties. And it's no secret
that a lot of a lot of the Jersey associated labels,
a lot of the tri state areas local labels were
kind of mob runs, you know, which even with sugar Hill,
like with with with you know, with Sylvia and Joey,

(27:02):
having dealings with like Mars Levy and all those cats,
like you know, it was like dealing with the sopranos
of the sixties. So but I'll add only only because
your brother also told me probably probably two of the
greatest stories I've ever heard of my life on you know,
I'm always curious on how like classic songs get made,

(27:26):
and UM, your brother kind of telling me the story
of of the light pressuring you guys to make jungle
Boogie against your will and somehow like you're you're embittered,
you know, embittered sarcastic response to what they wanted wound

(27:47):
up being like a massive hit for you guys when
you guys hated every step of the way of that. Um,
could you could you share that story? Well? Mr v
as we call them and funny feel yo though you're
calling friendly fyoda, he said, you guys. Um, you guys

(28:08):
are been having some territorial hits like un Philadelphia and
maybe New York. Yeah, maybe connect Connecticut, he said, But
we want you to work with this UM. I kind
of thinking that the last name was some Douglas. He
hadn't had this big hit with Margo Dobanco and uh,

(28:30):
he said, I want your guys to work with this producer.
So we met him one time and it wasn't really
flowing for us. So we would downtown to a studio
called Baggies And we went in here around eight o'clock
in the morning and we came out of there we

(28:50):
had created jungle Boogie. Hollywood swinging and funky stuff. So
no more problem from the big readers. But I heard
y'all hated it. What did you hate about Jungle Buggies? Well,
according to your brother that you know, well, your brother
explained to me that, um, I guess you know mangoes

(29:12):
world famous hit, uh soul Mikosa I E I'm saying, Mama,
I'm about you know it was the the origins of
that song was that it was it was a hit
in France and over in Africa, and um somehow like
bootlegs of the of the record made its way to
the States right when disco culture is starting, and that

(29:34):
was a very very popular song. And Colley's was basically
like yo, like make make your version of this song.
And because they were jazz knobs, you know, it would
be like yo, Fonte like yo you you and little

(29:54):
brother y'all called you a little underground okay players stuff.
But you know, y'all, y'all gotta need a little losive
album right right, And so, uh, you know, brother from
the band basically said that you know, they listened to
Soul Macosa and it felt like just African mumbo jumble music.

(30:20):
We don't know this African mumbo jumbo music, so kind
of mocking that song they made Jungle Boogie, and to me,
the greatest moment, I'll say that my my all time
favorite television show. It is really prevalent in my life
right now. And there's there's there's a really telling moment

(30:41):
about what I feel is the moment that Soul Train
solidified itself in history, because you know, the first two
years of Soul Train, Don had to lead heavy on
his Chicago connections, so a lot of local you know,
favors and one in between Illinois, Ohio, uh Indiana. So

(31:04):
you know, he made friends with the Jackson Fives and
the o Jays and Curtis Mayfield and the Staple Singers
like all those local acts. But for the most part,
you know, Don had to rely on older acts, so
cats that you know, Jackie Wilson's on the show and
Clarence card Is on the show and that sort of thing.
And when you guys make your second appearance on Soul Train,

(31:28):
um and your debut Jungle Boogie, it's it's such a
magical thing to watch because the first thing that Don
Cornelius says when he gets on the stage was, you know,
usually guys, I have time to preview the A side
and the B side, So you know, he thought that

(31:50):
you guys were just cool with just funky stuff, which
was the single you were promoting. Jungle Boogie was just
a throwaway B side, and he's like, I never in
my life thought that I could hear anything funkier than
funky Stuff, and I think I just did so, not
only to watch Don's reacts like the way that I
described listen to public Umi's Rebel without applause, That's how

(32:12):
Don's like, yo, like this is the future of of
dance music, and not only that, the way that it connected,
like if it's it's almost like if Trapped music was
playing for younger kids today, like it's it's the way
that the Soul Train dances came to life, dancing to

(32:35):
to like that that song. Really, I feel like you
guys are the first band to really connect to a
younger audience. That wasn't you know that saw James Brown
as older, that saw mo Town is older, like where's
our music of now? Nineteen seventy four? And that was
to me, It's just hilarious that you guys, according to

(32:57):
your brother like hated that song. But at what point
did you feel like, Okay, maybe we got something like
that that you respected it and it just wasn't a
throwaway B side. Yeah, but you know when it happened
at that time, you know, funky stuff when number one

(33:20):
R and B for about four or five weeks, and
of course the Jungle Boogie. Uh. You know, because my
brother was one of the key writers of a lot
of my music, you know, back in the day, oh
up to the most Frisian album we was coming out
of called The Suit of Happiness, right. Uh, how he

(33:42):
dealt with hornlines and how we dealt with with groups
between the base the drama course and that's the found
they said, you know that going the house so me
and uh the druma George Bound used to create that.
And then college will always come up with these these
hard lines because even before that, I mean, we were

(34:03):
doing songs like reason soul, see the tranctility, funking, Uh,
let the music take your mind and tee. You know,
we were doing all that too before we really I
guess I got really big hits with the Jungle Body
and Hollywood Swinging and funk yourself, and we didn't really

(34:24):
have singers more so, you know we have you know,
we have they called us like chance songs. You know,
this is one thing I want to ask about those
earlier records. It's it's rare to see, uh, like two
live albums get released, especially when there's like no greatest
hits to promote. But like, what was the ideology behind

(34:47):
doing the live at the Sex Machine album and live
at PJS, well, live at she Jas? What's so right
around tome? Remember, I think in the g read kind
of what's around doing going the live of Pj's album,

(35:07):
and uh, of course, uh, live with the sex for sure.
You know, we spent a lot of time you know,
down uptown there. Then uh, I just try to do
a live album Philadelphia, correct, yea? And that that what
that is what brought out about that became a pretty

(35:30):
popular album, Okay because dad, we froze that name, so
they I'm Cold and the music. Okay. Another song that's
like really uh seminar favorite for your your your soul

(35:53):
era is with Summer Madness from the The Love and
Understanding album Could You or I guess? Light of the
World's Also there's two versions, like people like the the
live version and the studio version, What was the what
was the I guess the basis of that song and

(36:15):
how did you guys know that it was good enough
to release as a single. And also with like modern technology,
like how open were you guys too the entry of
like futuristic synthesizers and music, because oftentimes, um, a lot
of the soul acts that kind of hit their peak
in the first four years of the seventies, their relationship

(36:39):
to the synthesizer, with the exception of Stevie Wonders a
little shoddy, you know, James Brown, kinda like between James
Brown and the Ohio Players and especially Johnny Guitar Watson,
like their their experiments with synthesizers and moods sounds awkward
at best. It's like the the odd the sonic oddball out.

(36:59):
But you guys, of course probably again next to Stevie
Wondered created one of the most definitive use of of
of the synthesizer in soul and funk music, especially with
Summer Madness. That's that's a sense of na yeah, okay,

(37:21):
so how did that come into play? Like making he
wrote the song Oh you don't have to change? Do do? Dodo? Yes?
It's one of my favorites. Oh the vamp fight song.
My brother was in the steel at two four or

(37:43):
five in the morning. He could listen to that. He
had just got his his arp. Uh synthesize. They said,
that's another song at the end. So he end up
doing the synthesizer solo on the van. Wow, and we

(38:03):
asked black when you want to call it? Play called
something about it. I don't know. Happen to the Summer
Times you serious titles? Well, you know that that Some
of Madness was going to become the type of record
that it became. The DJ I think it's Ronnie Ronnie,
uh Ronnie Jones and and uh Rodney Jones, but it

(38:28):
was Rodney Jones. Yeah. So he played Spirit of the Book, right,
and then he turned it over and we had some
of Madness as the B side. Yeah, he played some
of the Madness and everybody was calling up who was

(38:49):
just oh, man, I don't know that Herbie Handcock, Well,
that's uh different jazz artists. Oh, the school is in
the game, Damn little Boy, the Spear of the Boy,
and then slipped to a Summer Madness. It was Wow

(39:09):
Puss in Chicago. Later on everybody was stepping Yeah, yeah, yeah?
Is that the most simple cool in the gang song
in the movie with Rocky when off forgive and had
that fight? Now on on the couch one or now
You're gonna get a butt? But wait, can I ask

(39:33):
you a question about that soundtrack? Were you guys a
little miffed at Bill? Like as as a person who
works on a late night television show and you know,
does commercials as well, I'm very familiar when when the
producer or the director of the show those to you

(39:54):
as the score and says, hey, give me a sound
of like like this song and on you know on
the Rocky soundtrack they do uh not going the distance. Uh,
we're not going to distance. But um, the other Bill
Contie song, there's like a there's like a summer man
in the ring. Uh it was not alone in the ring.

(40:16):
I know it's ring summer. Yeah, there's there's a summer
madness bite that. Um. I always wanted to know, like
did your people ever call those people like yo, like
that's our song? That's plagiarism. I always wanted to know
was it was it? Did you guys ever have a situation?

(40:38):
I gotta find the song now, yes, it's called you
Take My Heart Away, but there's a part like literally
it's built like summer madness with the scynth line and
the roads at the beginning and are making beef. I'm sorry,
never mind what you say. Now play it again now,

(41:00):
But that's what that's what like film scores do. Like
half the time they can't clear the songs, and it's like,
let me make my own, let me take the cube
and mix it up and then while it's my version
of it. But yeah, yeah, that one, I'm not sure
as I can have that one with now, I think
At the time, yeah, the bigger retails were still involved.

(41:23):
Oh there you go. A lot of worlds Open Tessing
Me in the Sertday Night favorable you now, yeah, you
know Columbia Records, you know cut that dew and we
no have any idea that Open Tessed Me become such

(41:45):
a big record. And then on the Satday Night feb album,
biggest album until Michael Jackson came and knocked it out
of the box with Twitter. Yeah, it was over twenty
million records on to do without on the floor doing
this thing on some advantas I mean on the open
Sessim Yeah, so with with that period of the group. Well,

(42:10):
one I want to know when when Saturday Night Fever
won the Grammy for Album of the Year, did each
individual act on that soundtrack actually get a Grammy or
did it just go to you know that the head
of r SOL Records and that sort of thing, like
did you because I saw like you all not not

(42:33):
since like the Bodyguard, have I seen so many people
on stage excepting uh and a Grammy four Album of
the Year like it was. It was literally like almost
fifty people on stage between you guys, the Tramps to
Mars the Bgs. Also like you all accepted it, but
did you all get your individual like Grammys for it

(42:53):
for Saturday Night Fevers? That that just go to the
the head of the label. We all we all just
go out they all know grab me? Huh okay? Cool? Cool?
Could you talk about the transition to disco because I
mean that marks you're you're a third phase and you
know how hard is it to to make that transition. Actually,

(43:17):
one of my favorite all time cool in the Gang
songs is um the opening side too, which is whisper
softly Yes, Despair you love Me dog like yeah, like
to me like again, the sign of of a good
band in a good catalog really, in my eyes, is

(43:37):
never the single. It's like what the filler is on
the album? And for me, like I know there was
there was indifference with your older fans as far as
like you guys switching and changing up on them. But
how easy was that transition into disco because it wasn't
mindless disco like you guys were. Your brother was explaining
that in his mind, he wanted all the horn lines

(44:00):
to be sort of where Coldtream is going, like using
these Eastern scales and Eastern chords that your average discode
unit wasn't thinking like he thought that everything else was pedestrian.
He was like going to make real intelligent. Like if
you look at the chord structures and and the horn
charts of Open Sesame, that's one of the hardest songs

(44:22):
to do if you're a horn player. So like, as
as a band or like who's are you and him
sort of having like these these talks together about how
how to keep the band intelligent and still stay with
the times without like compromising the music. Well, the way

(44:42):
that we kind of slipped into um out of the
semis in the eighties. We were on tour with the
Jackson five Promota was sold out records. Dick Griffy and
they came up to us. He said, listen, you guys

(45:03):
are doing okay on the tour. He said, but I
think you need at least singer, and we said we do.
So we thought about it and we said okay, yeah.
Earthel and Fire has Philip Bailey about his white coming
to us line Richie and they were burning discool records

(45:26):
ince Chicago, talking about discool sucks some of the things
going on. So we decided to take Dick's advice and
get at least singer. James J. Chaylor was working on
the studio Jersey west On called the House of Music

(45:47):
and audition him and no one else. So my brother say, okay.
He said, sings to these courts, these courts, a little
jazz single, little pop. And when he finished, my brother said,
you know, you sound like a naking cole Wow. Well

(46:16):
but because he was, you know, one of the Cubi,
and he said, you got the job. And your mirror.
Dear Donald was in the studio producing his record and
you're saying that a mirror dear Dodo was trying to
produce James as a solo act. At the time when
you met him there, he just happening to be in
the same studio. Okay, yeah, do what we're trying to do.

(46:41):
Of course, you know Mr V pulled Via Dollar there
and listen, you know, to become a part of that,
becoming the producer for that altum and that's when we
moved on to uh and to the eighties within the singer.
One of the things that Dion Dollar listen said, listen,

(47:01):
now you um, you gotta make room for the least singer,
because like all these singers, you know, we have the
least singer. He said, you gotta open these tracks up
a little bit. And uh, Ladies Night. Yeah, the horns

(47:22):
instilling doing playing all way that it's cool. But also
to introduce to introduce at least, oh Ladies Knight introduced
Jta oh Man that that record in New York. Now,

(47:44):
my wife and I used to hang out in New York.
Uh do your fifty four mm. We know that every
Friday night there was a Ladies Night. So I went
back to the guys, you know what we should call
the song the Ladies Night with something that was being

(48:04):
created by George and my brother and the rest was history.
Like I said, if I talk about that record, then
why do men write the best female anthems? What is this?
We know? Y'all? Wait, your your brother And as I
said at the top of the show, your brother told

(48:25):
me two of the greatest stories, the most two of
the most unlikely stories of your hits. I'm asking. And
at the top of the show, I said that your
brother told me two of the greatest stories I've ever
heard about how an unlikely hit got created. The way
that he told the story almost made me feel like
he did it by himself. Did he ever tell you

(48:46):
the story of how he got the inspiration to make celebration? Well?
After the Ladies night? All right, we have one two
American Music Awards. H huh and evample ladies eyes. Well,
this is your tonight tonight, come on, that's all celebrate.

(49:06):
So my brother said something in that factor and he said,
he started playing this fact had that kind down the
home type of vibe with grandma and grandfather sitting and
somewhere in drinking some cool aid. And he played that

(49:28):
track and he said, then he had that whole country
yahoo in there. Right, we didn't know that country. Yahoo,
I never thought about it like that. Same here the
way he's describing I'm like, that's exactly in the context
of it. It doesn't sound like that. You don't associate
it with like country kind of whatever record you know,

(49:52):
to the day, it's the one we can't go back
and do make another celebration. Never, No, that's that's the
one in a hundred. But wait, he told me something
that he said he never shared with the world. Wait,
can I can I tell the story of how he
came up with that group. It's it's one of my
favorite stories of all time. So your brother tells me

(50:14):
that he's in Los Angeles attending uh Rick James and
Prince Joe and Prince is opening and he told your
brother told me that he's familiar with the venue that
um that they're playing it, and so he's seeing Prince.

(50:35):
He heard about Prince, but this is the first time
that he's seeing Prince and he didn't have his records.
And this is right when I want to be your
lover just started to get red hot. And so he
told me that he was so impressed. What I want
to be your lover. He's like, yo, that during intermission
during change over between Prince and Rick James. I don't

(50:57):
know who he's with at time, but he said, I'll
be it back. I got run backstage real quick because
you know, some some of those venues, some of those
like shed venues might have like a piano in the
dressing room that sort of thing. And so he runs
backstage and he starts playing or analyzing the courts that
Prince used for I Want to Be a Lover then

(51:17):
d d d duh, and he writes the chords down
and he puts in his pocket. Wow, So he goes,
He goes, He goes back to his seat. He enjoys
the rest of the show. He says, the next day
he buys the forty fives I Want to Be a Lover,
listens to it some more. Then dun He gets the

(51:38):
piece of paper that was in his pocket from the
night before, and he looks at the chords. It was like,
let me try this backwards. So he notates the rhythm
du du dun duh, and he looks at the notes,
does it backwards and he plays na dun dun duh.

(51:59):
Then that so it's he literally just inversed. He inversed
the chords if I want to be a lover rhythmically,
and it's celebration. But then on top of that, he
was like, I need a good bridge. And then he
goes over to Billboard and looks at the pop charts. Wow,
and he notices that Michael Jackson's Rock with You is

(52:24):
He's like, I looked at the top five and figure
which one of these songs like represents where it looks
like represents me? Like which which one would I be
involved with? And it was like the Eagles, I can't
tell you why, there's some other stuff whatever, And he
saw Rock with You and if you listen to the chords,
he's like, I just took the verse of Rock with You.

(52:44):
So the whole boom, it's time to come together. It's
been that's get in to you. Everyone around like and
that's how he crafted moments, good songwriting. Ship man my

(53:05):
mind like literally when he he he told me that story.
He came to UH the first year ever teach an
n y U. He came to my class because he's
good friends with Harry Wagner. And when he told me
that story, then I that night I called my manager
and say, yo, man, I gotta I heard the greatest
story in my life. I need a bigger platform and

(53:27):
literally like that story is what made me want to
start Quest Love Supreme. Like when I heard that, like
I need a podcast, Like the world doesn't know that
story and you know, yeah, can you can you talk
about your brother and just this creativity, like like can
you explain between the three of you and your musical

(53:49):
sort of triangle? Like how how did that work? Well?
I mean that that story that's just uh you just
told about celebration. Yeah, he definitely you know that's what
he did. I learned about it later, but when you
listened to it, yeah, okay, you can hear that he
reversed the song and the pressures are open up for

(54:12):
us when you first started and press he set up
the drums and you do everything. He goes to the
mother and uh, he would do everything. And it's something
about that guy, you know, like p funk. But that's
what my brother used to do. Just um, he studied

(54:35):
the music. And one of the things that my mother
to tell him, he said, uh, you have to do
for a great song, simple melody people know. So she
thought about that. So Hollywood swinging downtime, do don't but

(55:09):
what fucking stop? Really the melody that was stick with people,
that was popular back in the day. Gamble said he
did the same thing. Really yeah, always it's all about
the melody and a supplicit. It was about the melody, yeah,
Gamble said, Soul Trained, Love Trained. Some of the things

(55:32):
are kind of similar, right right, Okay, Oh damn simple,
you're you're damn the first time in five years? Score? Sorry?
Why are you some gyms on? And stop playing? There's
been a few. Well, that was that was the very

(55:53):
songs ideas we came up with. I mean, whisper softly
that was another one. You know that you like that?
He did, and I love that man. Little Children is
another favorite of mine too. I loved that. I did
want to know the the KGS album was that really

(56:14):
you guys? And then just letting them have a tag
like were you guys? The were you guys? Well it
was my brother mir h Kelly's was writing a lot
of the hard tracks on that. So that wasn't you

(56:35):
on bass? Because you have a very distinct bass playing
style on those records? Well, I didn't know a player
on none of the KGS records. Okay, Okay, the Harnts
and all that was it was the Kelly's and then
close to guitar parts and all that was there my
brother during this period in which, first of all, like,

(56:59):
how how are you guys is feeling in terms of
you know, this period between nineteen and you guys are
about to really have a rebirth the kind of moment
you've been waiting for, Like did you even expect this

(57:19):
type of reaction from a whole new audience? Yeah? And
you know again I know that you know, there's there's
always been this debate of like, well it's not like
they're earlier material whatever, But I mean, how are you
how are you guys mentally handling that, like still having
massive pop success, but you know the occasional scoff of

(57:44):
you know, a music critic that only believes in like
your earlier material and you know might be crying sellout
or whatever, Like is that bothering you guys at all? Well? Um,
well we was. We was surprised and invested fact that
we came throughout the Seven Nights and then we added
the least singer and then the type of songs that

(58:08):
that we that became successful. You know, like I gotta
get down on this fresh and uh cherish misled which
had rock vibe to it, you know. So we just
continued to grow in the eighties. You know, everybody accepted it,
even your peers because even you know, it reminds me

(58:29):
of like talking to him too May and him talking
about how like jazz purists scoffed at him when he
came out with Juicy. Yeah, like even your peers, they
were riding with your evolution, like this is what cool
in the gang does. They evolved, Yeah, but that's it
started happening, I mean through through the eighties and the nineties,

(58:50):
and of course of them the cheat up the band,
and we had to continue to move on, uh you know,
the new millennium, and we just continued to grow and
continue to work other markets. I mean we saw it
going everywhere. We went behind our curtains and we're doing Romania,
so Makia all um, through Europe, Australia, through Africa, right,

(59:18):
almost ten years just developing and the plan the hissor
everybody uh love and then was you know happy to
see us the market We part wouldn't never went there,
all right. I just continued to build, become a part
of the Cooling the Gang, his parents all you have
until him today. Um, A question I always wanted to

(59:39):
know the answer to. With the exception of Jody Whatley
whom okay, I understand she was living there at the time,
But how was Cooling the Gang chosen as the loan
American act to appear on band Dai. Do they know

(01:00:00):
it's Christmas? Well? We were, Um, we were on tour
and uh and then at the time and they told
us that there was a doing a song for Ethiopia
m S Drought and that's what we like to be

(01:00:23):
a part of that. I felt Bob Geldof was the
one putting the whole project together. We'll sure, we would
definitely like to be a part of that project. And uh,
we got up that morning and went down and enjoining
all these rock groups and to become a part of that,
I mean because it was I mean, you're talking about Ethiopia.

(01:00:43):
It was a blessing to be a part of that,
right we were the only bad that was a part
of that. Can I ask a hip hop song? I
just want to know cool since it am I wrong?
You guys? Summertime was the first hip hop song. Example,
Summer Madness right, But I mean one that took it
to the one. Yeah, I'm curious. Wasn't the first though,

(01:01:07):
but it was the most successful. But I'm curious how
y'all made that decision and where y'all always open to
hip hop sample in the music at that time. I
believe it was the record coming again with that song
and they wanted uh uh yeah, I did yef um.
They played the whole track. It wasn't like a sample.

(01:01:28):
They did the whole thing on top of the chape
and came summertime, very very big record, you know for
him he went from there to the to the movies. Right,
But did you always did you always know? You guys
always open to that, like, yeah, just take our song
and rap over it, it's no problem. Well, it all depends.

(01:01:49):
Back in the da UM there was a lot of
sampling going on. Yeah, somebody out on sample patrol, right.
But what happened was one day I actually uh watchington Uh.

(01:02:10):
They made the rule that anybody sample records had to
give sample clans the record compan and if they didn't
do that, then the record compan would help problems. Mhm. Well,
as I saw that we had to get clans from
the record coming, did you, But you surely you knew
the difference, and I'm sure you appreciate to this day

(01:02:32):
the fact that there's a whole new generation. I mean, yes,
I grew up in the household that played cool in
the gang on the regular, but definitely by the time
you know, the tribe called Quests come around and like
sort of that that renaissance period between in two thousand

(01:02:53):
and one, I'm not you know, even you know, I'm
certain that Mace Don't Feel So Good has done a
lot of good for yeah, a lot of business for
people even knowing what Hollywood swinging is that probably wouldn't
have known it happened. Me is not used it, you

(01:03:13):
know what I mean, or even let me clear my
throat or that sort of thing. So you know, I'm
I'm certain now that you know, I would like to
think that you guys were like sort of grateful that
that happened, that your you know, your catalog gets gets
used and used and that way these songs turned timeless.

(01:03:34):
Has has there ever been a situation in which you
guys rejected a sample clearance? No, not really a lot
of times between the Water Chapel and they replaced the
songs and uh various artists and not really at that
time before that, before that, we have a sample Clarence Clarence,

(01:03:57):
and that was it was like all old of place,
you know, A lot of songs was probably done back
then about right. So here's the fact that I don't think,
uh many people know about the group past the JT period,
which is that, um, you guys made a curious replacement

(01:04:19):
of James j T. Taylor with none with none other
than Skip Martin, who was the lead singer of the
Dazz Band. And I don't think people even knew that,
mm hmm, you know, after the Stone Love and Victory period.
I guess, uh, the last JT record, which was I

(01:04:42):
believe six, that's Skip Martin, formerly the lead singer of
the Dazz Band, became you guys a new lead singer.
Could you explain the situation that caused because I never
knew why JT left the group or even if he's
active today singing question is he still singing to day?

(01:05:06):
Are you guys amicable? Have you spoken like what what's
the status between you guys? Yeah? I mean we um
spoken to j T. Uh from from time to time,
had problems with management and have you know, and people

(01:05:26):
uh suggested that, you know, he kind of do his
own thing. You're in the group, Okay, you gotta go
album and do their own thing, you know. I kind
of thought that, Okay, if you have that problem, you
want to do an album, you can still stay in
the family. Did you know the singer drama for Genesis

(01:05:53):
his name again Phil Balance, So he could have done that,
but he shows, you know, to do it the way
he wanted to do it right. Then we got back
together and we did an album together. He came back.
I was not aware of that. Was figuring about printz

(01:06:19):
we nine. You left forget, but j T still around
making music then doing his own thing. Yeah, he've been
doing something. Yeah, I just remember the tap song. So yeah,
the joint with the Regina Bell. Yes, I wondered. I

(01:06:40):
was curiously no cool about your ab two years ago.
Now that was the jam that was so about two
years ago. Your niece Jenna, she did a show here
in Durham where North Carolina, and we met and we
end up talking and hanging and she was just you know,
we talked and everything and she was like super cool. Um.

(01:07:02):
I was just curious to know, do you have any
other First, what was your connection with her or you know,
how is you guys relationship? And also do you have
any other like family members, niece's, nephews, you know, kids
whatever that are making music now, not right now, but
Calica sounds like she yeah, uhould be my labelment. Yeah, yeah,

(01:07:23):
the whole different kind of approach. That's what he was
doing the music now. I like, I liked this album
that was called Prototype. I had that albums Jones dope,
very creative his own way because Police was far but
he wanted to go totally if you listen to that album,
totally different directions. What Calia, Yeah, yeah, that album On

(01:07:46):
the hip hop side, he's the DJ and he uh
he has uh he goes by the name a Prince
I King. He has called roll see Him and Walked
and another song called Sexy. A matter of fact, he
has one out now if the name is the one
he has out right now turns of family members. Okay,

(01:08:10):
So with with the uh, the unfortunate departure of a
brother d T and your brother, how will that affect
the future of the group where it is now as
far as the band is concerned. Well, um, the album

(01:08:30):
that we have out now which is called the Perfect Union,
the single Happiness, What's My Brother Row That's something that
we will be doing in there in the future and
depending on the success of the album. But there was
always different guys coming in uh over the last ten

(01:08:57):
fifteen years. From the Hornbles you know that's Skip Martin
and uh another guy named Rob V who played well
the big bands along with the Clifford Adams played, and
these bands. I have several home players that played when

(01:09:18):
Police or d T wasn't on on the road with us.
Feel that So, hello worlds, I guess you see the
gang from the other game to the music game. He
got quite a few guys coming into and out right.
Actually one of those cats are it's Tuba, Tuba's brother. Um,

(01:09:39):
he plays with you guys, My my Susan from Player
he comes from. Yeah, yeah, we're talking. You're talking about
the Jermaine Yeah, yeah, plays Trumbone with you guys right now. Yeah,
that's a connection. That's your family. We're prepared to keep
moving on for you know, as we say, and shall God.

(01:10:01):
Well you know right now, you know, we like everybody else,
for a year and a half, we really haven't been
played that many shows, but hopefully in uh doors will
open up again because we um, I guess we have
been blessed to play with all different type of groups.
We did four eight shows with Van Halen van Helen.

(01:10:26):
What was that like? Yes, I saw and Van Halen
at Massa Square Garden, but it made sense. What was
that like for you guys? Yeah, so I mean we uh,
we're going to continue to do that. We started to
do that. This orchestra stuff. We played for the both

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of July the Los Angeles for the mic Orchestra. We've
played with the Salt Lake City sixty piece. So we're
doing I called the Classic Evenings cooling me. Yeah, I
loved that. I want to go to a show. We're
doing the Bowl. They did it first, Oh you just

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missed it. I watched it on Instagram. Yeah. But that's
the interesting thing is that these uh, these orchestras and
see how these guys play. I'm busy a lot of
us have fun, you know with strings. Was like a

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challenge but something that they liked. It was like, hey,
yeah right, we got the Organs, who has the orchestras.
It's all been good and with the pstruitive happiness and
the fact that it's called Pursuit of Happiness World peace,

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and uh, I'm kind of treating that song as a movement.
I mean, but that uh, you know what's going on
today with COVID and all the other things that's happening.
And uh, my brother has insight to call it perfect union.
M Um. What would be a perfect union? Now that's

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gonna happen in our life time. But to see that
the democrest and the Republicans come together as a proof,
oh lord, child, I don't know can dream yet and
the whole pursuit that happens. Plus I've been spending time
in the outh of Africa and uh he's talking about

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me becoming a part of the au the fifty two
African nations. What countries have you been going too? Cool? Well,
we're talking about I just did someone does Zimbabwe? I've
been to and go uh uh Joe Bird, I've been
to mostly all of them. But um, the whole thing

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is making the trash its in the movement now dealing
with perfect Union and the Suit of Happiness. That was
one of my brothers uh dreams what he put this
album together. I kind of took a little for the
world because it's just about world piece. And uh, I

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have said, I guess, uh last better than a big
America great again? I said, what about making the world
cool again? What I start? Can we just start with
but whatever happened to the world, how can we get
back again? There you go. You've been doing that before

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message music was even in vogue, like especially with like
you know, on those cuts on like Wild and Peaceful
where he has the conversation with as one we're scientists
of sounds exactly heaven at once. Yes, he was a

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little Yeah, they're cool. What do you think about the
world of to day? Yeah? That was a little brother. Yeah, okay,
oh this is I'm just I'm just getting to understand.
So y'all are really a South Jersey family as well,
Like y'all, y'all everybody Muslim and whatnot to I heard
how Kim, I heard a couple of like names. Everybody
was Muslim. Just a name, this Arabic name, South Jersey

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Philly stuff. Okay, the beard, the name. That's all we need.
That's all. No, Port Well, you know I'm with you.
I'm coming back home, you know, coming back home. Impossible
sports coming down. No, we don't need know im possible
port put that dog. Trust me. Size is one point

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God my hawking products on this program. An that's the
whole purpose of this program. Get it. In the beginning
of the show, remember of Music History is coming out soon.
I just personally want to know for you with all
these iconic songs that you've done, like, what is your

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what are your three personal favorite This is my last
question for you, but what are your three personal favorite
songs that you've done in your catalog? That's kind one
of them. Some of Man is definitely what Hollywood swinging?
Okay okay, and of course celebration Hollywood swinging. It's all

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about who we first, what's going about for Hollywood? And
again Frankie come out from Frankie Hollywood cropping. He broke
that record in New York Ladies Night. Can I ask
your capitalistic question before we go? If you were to
stop doing music right now and no other music existed,

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could you tell us what's cool in the gang song?
Could feed you for life? If I was stop doing music, Yes, Like,
if you just stopped doing music and didn't care about
any other songs, records or whatever, what's the cooling the
Gang song that could have been feeding and we'll feed
you for life. Oh well, that's that's celebration. I wasn't

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sory so many? Hey cool? Um we even they give
me do a whole big thing. I think TikTok oh
get it? And someone manages I mean you got I
mean Will Smith? I mean the movie? Yeah, even what's

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my man? Laban James did u some of man? He's
up on dumping diving into the fool with something. We
might be summer madness seeing not some celebration. It might
be it's definitely celebration. Celebration. Ain't never gonna die ever? Yeah?

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Hey cool? The DJ played celebration at my bar? Mite
ever get paid for that, dude? And same thing? Yeah,
wait a minute, I will ask have you guys ever
done celebration at a wedding or at a bar? Mitzvah

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as cool in the game, And what is that rate?
I'm still in my capital is bad? How do I
get that at my next heavy price? I want to
leave one. Listen though, when Super Bowl? Yeah the stealers
and uh, who wasn't that super Bowl? Were they playing

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the Cowboys? I'm not stay and we're looking up Steve
Bill and the stealers one that was that one and
the stealers one of that one touchdown last few minutes
of the game. So we were scareduled to play for

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Cardinals or whatever that team was anyway, and the only
game to us and said, will you guys please don't
play celebration. You're serious nine against the Cardinals, but we
didn't play celebration. You did not play celebration because they
lost that game. Okay, well then ladies night it is. Oh. Anyway,

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I want to thank you guys for the support of Man. Man.
You're just you're with Man. You know you asked me
questions that I have to remember again. Man, you know,
I'm just dear legacy. Wait, fun thing. Did you have
one last question? Oh? I was like, yeah, I had
a question about fruit Man. Was that song? Is that
a reference to the fruit Islam? That song? Okay, okay, yeah,

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we just came up with different ideas in concert. You know,
back you know the day the fruit Man come by
the truck and you want to get some wall. Wow, okay,
good truck. I thought I heard that. I ever heard
of read that something like belt. We had this conversation
before and y'all was laughing at me and called me old.

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And I'm trying to explain to you all between at
least the fruit, the fruit and the fishman were the same, dude,
or my Grandma's blocked. Remember the fish man. We didn't
have a fruit man. We had a fish man. Well,
you see, to look on Lion's face right now, I
don't believe you. I think you talking about your aunt
down south. Yes, like just like, just like Mr Softie

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comes by every you know, every four thirty on you know,
on his route. However, I will say the watermelon Man
is still a very real thing and a lot of
different cities, Yeah, but for Southwest Philly, like the fishman,
we're just you know, the back of his truck would
be like a whole bunch of ice and a whole
bunch of fish. He just go up and down each

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block selling mackerel porgies like different types of fish. And
then the next day he come back, same truck, clean
and have vegetables. Next day fruit like they would take
fruit to the hood. Like that's the thing I missed.
We have the fruit man deliver, you know. Now we
gotta go to the suburbs to get the good fruit.

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What do you say, Bill Long Island didn't have any
man in a car. We had to go to the store. Amen.
It was different hat stories. It was called food Deserts.
We're getting to know each other America. Brother Cool, I

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want to thank you personally for you know, your legacy
and sharing story with us. Um, don't forget support Le Cool.
You know the new album sell Me a Bottle. After
Jenna said that her she was like, he was like,
you have My step mom loves that. So I was like,
I gotta get something cool. Okay, cool, Yeah, we're drinking
on some cool. So we got the rose for the

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late days. Oh but that's all you had to say, Rose,
So Rose later stereotype. We go a Quest Love Marketing
Supreme Ship. There you go, There you go, Rottle Sugar,

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