Ep 2: Open-toed shoes, Michelle Wie West, and Taylor Swift's Bracelet

On this episode of Quiet Please! Mel Reid and Kira Dixon welcome their first guest,  five-time winner on the LPGA tour and major champion, Michelle Wie West. Michelle talks going pro at such a young age, being trained like a man, and how she overcame injuries throughout her career. The three also dive into post-retirement Michelle, her IVF journey, mom life, tennis pursuits and her new business ventures including how Taylor Swift ended up wearing a bracelet Michelle designed! Plus, Mel learns about open-toed shoes and talks being an adopted eagles fan.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Quiet Please, with Mel Reed and Kira Dixon, is an
iheartwomen's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment.
You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to Quiet Please,

(00:24):
Episode two.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Mel, we made it through our first episode.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I have so many people that have reached out to
me about episode one saying really nice things. I'm sure
you've had the same as well, but it's been pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
It has been pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I tell you what.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
I've had the same reaction given a lot of them
on my friends, so I feel like they have to
say that. But I did listen to the episode myself.
I wanted to kind of review myself and how we
were doing, and I was actually pleasantly surprised. Zoe and
Grace did a great job, made us look what made
me look better than I am. You're obviously fantastic hera,
but yeah, very happy.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
It's launch day.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
We've been talking about it for a while, and so
now that it's kind of out there in the open,
we can't hide away anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
So we're out in the open now here, Me and you,
me and your guests now girl, me and you and
my good lighting. You're fantastic lighting that, which is the
only thing that's what I have figured out. Well I
need some tips because I could always do with some
good lighting.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
So well, yeah, we'll get there.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
We'll talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, we have an exciting interview today that we're going
to have on our very first guest on Quiet Please
is going to be Michelle Wee West, who is one
of our great friends and has been kind enough to
be our very first guest.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
So we'll get to Michelle on the second.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
But before we get to that, I know that you
had a big weekend last weekend as a adopted Eagles fan,
So happy super Bowl victory to you.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
How did you celebrate with the fam?

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Okay, first of all, I am an adopted Eagles fan,
so my in laws or from Upper Derby in Philadelphia,
so they're not like random Eagles fans are actually from Philadelphia,
born and bred. A lot of Carl's family is still there.
It's only kind of her family that went to Nebraska,
first of all, and they've been basically trying to drown
me in Philadelphia swag since I've met Carly six and

(02:11):
a half years ago. So I finally gave in a
couple of years ago, and it's been really fun to
be honest, to be kind of supporting a very sporty
kind of city, state, whatever you want to call it.
It's been a really good, really good ride city. Okay,
thank you for that again. After episode one of my
geography is no better.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Oh that's that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
So I learned from my first mistake.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Well done, man is in South America. I'm an absolute idiot.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yes, So.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Anyway, well, Carlie wanted to drive to New Orleans. Oh wow,
she I'll get into this. But Carlie got the flu
kindly given to us by beautiful fifteen months son Kai,
and then I started to get it on Super Bowl Sunday.
Didn't go down very well because Carlie then was like, well,
if we're not going, we're definitely going, got a babysitter
and all that jazz.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
So I had to, I don't care, get it together,
drinktltes and girl didn't give.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
It wouldn't be the first time you were Ally, No,
it would not care.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Do you know what?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
As one of my assets? Actually, I'm very very good Rally.
She basically just yeah, I had no sympathy all morning.
She was just in her you know, Eagle swag Kenny
green shirt all morning. She had Kai dressed up by
like eight o'clock in his Eagles top.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
So I basically said to rally.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Fortunately did, Kay came with us for We got to
the bar at five hours before the game, just to
make sure we had a good hours.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
When the time of the game happened.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Well, I had to take Kai back, so I slowed
my drinking. I literally I think I had one drink before.
Obviously i'd take my son home to the babysitter. But
when I got back, Carlie was was well on her way.
And then the It was just a fun game for
a Filly fan obviously. I mean it was probably one
of the best games I've seen them play. I mean,
I know I'm a new fan, but pretty special to watch.

(04:00):
And unfortunately Kansas City didn't really put up a decent fight.
But yeah, it was cool. Carli was absolutely buzzing. I
don't see Carley happier. In fact, she might have been
happier than winning the super Bowl then on our wedding day,
and that's how much it means to her.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
So she Philly fans or Eagles fans are built different.
So my brother in law, Dan is from Philly, so
Eagles fans already are. They have their reputation right as
just being like yeah, just absolutely rabid about their fandom.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
He is the president of Eagles fandom.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Like I never met somebody that is more passionate watching him.
Being an Eagles fan is entertaining itself. But my brother
and sister in law have four little boys, their ages eight, six, four,
and two, and their entire lives are built around being
Eagles fans. They were the Jerseys to school. So but

(04:56):
I was so worried on on Super Bowl Sunday because
if they oose, like that house is good, just they
were all going to be destroyed to crying, like how
do you deal with that?

Speaker 5 (05:06):
As a I mean of kids that like understand what that?

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I know.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
I saw a video on Monday morning of like some
guy lying on the top of the subway like in
his Eagle stuff, and everyone was just.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Chewing like, go, but how did why would you do that?

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Why would you lie? He was so drunk, like why
would you do that? But anyway, I still I still
like the post. I thought it was funny, but I
wouldn't advise it for anyone, but yeah, no, these fans
are crazy, and yeah, my wife and my in laws
are all the same. So I'm glad it turned out
the way it should have turned out, because it would
have been a whole week of hell for me.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Very happy for you, congratulate happy about that. But yeah,
talk about green. You're at the Waste management.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
So I was working last week at Waste in my
regular broadcaster golf channel.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Jub I must say not obviously, I'm not stylist or anything,
but I thought your outfit it's very very swaggy swag
sauce this.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Year, very sway sauce.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
You know, we love a theme.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
We you do love a theme.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, give me an assignment and I will dress to
impress based on the assignment and any any excuse to
get something cute and green. But that's what I did
for Waste, and I also I had a lot of
fun with what to wear for on social media.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
I put out this PSA video. Do you subscribe to
my social media.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Cho Yeah of course, yeah, of course I did.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
No, I know exactly, Okay, okay, so this isn't like
your normal golf tournament obviously, there's literally a club with
a DJ.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
On several holes, la la la.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
So the girls that are coming to the golf tournament,
most of them I have never been to a golf tournament.
Many of them make really unfortunate shoe choices. And as
you know, I can imagine, Yeah, yes, but like you
have to This isn't like going to a tennis match
or a polo match. You have to actually walk to
everywhere your gelling.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
And you walk a lot further than you think.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
And if you have opened to a shoes on, it's disgusting,
Like everything gets into your toes.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
You have to go onto porter parties.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Your kind of stuff goes on in the waste management
porter parties. It's not fit, it's not fair.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Do you want a confession? I've never love a fucking
open to shoe in my entire life. Can you believe that?

Speaker 5 (07:15):
What are you rid of the beach?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Just flip flops? That's it.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
There is not I thought you to stick it out
like a little or something.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Oh yes, I have I apologize again. Fuck, I'm actually
looking so dumb on this ship on this podcast anyway. Sorry,
flip flops? Is that an open to shoe geez or
something I should have gone to like eloquent school wherever
you call it. Sorry, okay, so it's just one of

(07:53):
the two, Poto, what are you thinking?

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Open to shoe is like whether you would.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Poke out like the Queen would wear on like a yeah,
but those are like peepto helorination. Okay, okay, that's sorry.
That's so I was like I didn't know if they
were back in fashion. I was like, just going with.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
You sandals or yeah, I've got I literally am wearing
them right now.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Okay, so sorry, carry on. Sorry, well those fake news
you have worn it up and Jesus, honestly, it's fine.
It's fine. You know. I'm going to talk that up
to just cultural differences.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
So of understand, is there what word would you use
to describe those types of.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Shoes in It probably is a shoe whatever you called it,
but I just don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Okay, Okay, Well anyway, sorry.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
If anyone here is listening that does not know what
to wear to a golf tournament, just wear a nice
thick soled sneaker and you will be very happy. No heels,
no bo. So many girls were wearing cowboy boots. Like
I understand that they think it's going to be cute,
but it's not. I saw this girl take off her
cowboy boots and she had ankle socks on.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
That makes me feel So this makes my throat scratch.
Yeah that'st see.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah, so let's let's make better choices. Okay.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
So I mentioned our fun guest that we have today,
Michelle we West. So we both kind of know Michelle
from different parts of her life.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know Michelle.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
From her professional golf life, and I kind of started
to get to know Michelle after her professional golf life.
She just had her second baby, and you know what
it's like to be dealing with the situation of getting babies.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, well that's why I sound a few octaves lower
than normal. I mean I usually do have a slightly
deep voice that it's questionable, but it's extra deep now
because my lovely son start daycare in December. I think
he's only been about three weeks in the last three months.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
So whatever. So yeah, daycare is really fun.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
It's one of them things that you give like pretty
much half of your wages too, and your child gives
you every single disease that any kid has.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Just take my money, give me a disease.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
So it's bad singer, Well, well I've got my open
shoes on.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
So just daycas.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
It is weird to me, I mean like he absolutely
hates it as well, but it's it's good for him.
He's I'm trying to get him to make friends, but
he's fifteen months. I mean, what really can they do?
So yeah, Kai had flew last week, bless him, then
passed it on to my my lovely wife Carli, who
then coughed in my face. And now I have it,
so just coming out of it. So it's all good

(10:45):
on the up and up. But yes, me and Michelle
have spoke many, many times about motherhood and the challenges
and obviously the beauty of motherhood as well.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
But yes we actually have.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
That very amazing common ground.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
And she's a fantastic mother and Johnny, her husband's a
great a great bloke as well, so she got two
beautiful kids.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
So Chille's just crushing it in all walks of life.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yes she is, Yes she is, but it's not been
easy and she goes into that struggle everything, everything that
it's taken to have her career, half her family, all that.
So with that Mel always great to catch up and
I hope everybody enjoys this interview with Michelle we West. Yay, Michelle,

(11:29):
thank you for being one of our first guests on Quiet.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Please.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
What were your first thoughts when you heard that Mel
and I were starting a podcast?

Speaker 3 (11:37):
I was so excited.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I mean, what a combo we got, Miss America and
Mel Well.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Could not be two more opposite people. But we're going
to try and make it work.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
No, but I think that makes it so good. I mean,
you can't have two similar people. You got to have
literally people on the opposite side of the spectrum. And
I can't think of anyone more who's different than you two.
It's like it's like Lady on the tramp.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
So we're so honored to have Michelle we West on
the show. A five time winner on the LPGA Tour,
including a US Women's Open, the youngest to qualify for
a USGA event ever at just ten years old, youngest
USGA winner at just thirteen years old, five Soulheim Cups,
eight PGA Tour events played, and probably in your estimation,

(12:28):
most importantly Mom to McKenna and recently Jagger entrepreneur, investor
and as Mel would say, all around legend, Michelle, welcome
to Quiet please thank you.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah, it was actually really cool kind of seeing back
and like looking at all the things you've achieved, and yeah,
it's fucking wild, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
How good you were.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
Back in the day, back in the back anymore?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Oh? I mean you were so good so young.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Wouldn't you like would you turn pro before you sixteenth birthday?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
You know, it was a time when, like you know,
MTV Sweet sixteen is like a thing.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
I loved that show.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I loved the extravagant things and I was like, oh,
you know what, I never went turned pro. That sounds
like a cool thing to do. When I when you
turned sixteen, did.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
You have a turn pro party? A sixteenth or a
sixteenth birthday party? Or were you on the golf course?

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I mean to be honest, if I had a turn
pro sixteenth birthday party, like all my friends would have
been like what the fuck? Like I don't care. So
I had a Sweet sixteen press conference that I was
turning pro.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Did you have a famous line from the press conference,
like a tiger hello world.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Was there something that you remember saying that was like
I've arrived. I think I'm cool enough to have like
a cool catchphrase like that. No, I would sucking that actually.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Okay, So I remember like when you know, I used
to be fairly decent when I was younger and pretty
cocky myself. And I just remember watching you on TV
and you were like thirteen or something, and it was
in like the craft Lebrisco. Did you finish second or something?
You had like a top five or something. You were
so young or fourteen, and I remember thinking, fuck, I'm

(14:07):
really not that good.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
What's your age difference?

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Hell are you? Ma?

Speaker 4 (14:12):
I'm thirty seven, Michelle, I know, were you thirty five?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Thirty five? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Okay, so two.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Years barely Mel would have been looking at this girl
thinking oh shit, I gotta yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
I was like, yeah, no, I'm screwed. I was like
absolutely no.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
That's I can barely hit it out of my shadow
and she's striping it like three and down the middle
and a major championship. I just remember you follow through
just being like wrapped around your body like six times.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I remember how facho you were. They actually banned me
from like stretchings. I was so loose and like so
double jointed that I like I had to like, do
all these stability work. They wouldn't let me, like, who
is there?

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Who is there?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
My trainers back in the day. I feel like sports sides,
especially when it comes to children, needs a lot of work.
I just don't think there's enough research. I felt like
I was being trained like a adult, whereas you know,
there's so many nuances when it comes to a growing body,

(15:14):
especially females. I feel like there just aren't much research
being done, especially to growing female bodies. You know, I
wish I had, you know, trained smarter. I definitely think
I got injured a lot faster because I was doing things,
you know, especially with my swing too. I mean I
was paying the ball over three hundred yards. I was
using a forty six inch extra stiff shaft, seven and

(15:37):
a half degree driver, just whipping it with absolutely zero
body strength. So it's just like banging against my body.
And what you don't realize is that you know, as
much as you accelerate, you have to be able to
decelerate in your swing, which I was what I learned
later on in life, which is I wish I learned earlier. Yeah,
because I don't think I've ever set a proper foundation. Yeah,

(15:58):
you know, like I said, I was training like a
man who was about to play professional sports, which is
so different. I would have power cleans when I was fifteen,
Like why why was I ever doing that? Why? Why
was that ever? But then again, none of my injuries
from golf came from golf. Didn't you go running?

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Was it from running?

Speaker 2 (16:17):
It was just me being clumsy or like Threek accidents. Truly,
I don't think I besides my arthritis, I don't think
there's any injury that I received that was from golf.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Honestly, the most unathletic athlete.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
That's crazy, I said to a set all the time,
like you are the most unathletic, like incredible athlete I've
ever met.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Like it's insane.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
So it's telling me before we started on. I have
entered our Clubs Tennis Club Championship. I'm playing singles, doubles,
mixed doubles.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
I'm gonna have one hundred dollar bet that you will
get injured in the first three weeks of playing this
one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I got yesterday. I called him my PT and I
got dry needles.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Do you know how to play tennis?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
No?

Speaker 5 (17:03):
Okay? Sorry?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I bet the ladies at like the Southern Highlands in
Las Vegas are good at tennis.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
All I can think about is tennis. You guys, you
know so like you know, men in like the Elevator,
the Living or whatever they like the shadow swing. I
do shadows tennis. Now it's all I can think about.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
Well, how did it start?

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I moved and joined a country club that had a
really good tennis league. Honestly, when I was growing up,
all I wanted to be was a tennis pro, but
the athlete part didn't quite translate. Do you think that's
gonna sorry, do you think that's gonna change?

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Now she's throwing.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
The bolt up for seven, A socket pops out and
she's like, maybe not femish.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Literally I cannot run. Okay. When I was seven, I
really wanted to be a tennis pro, like I loved it.
When I stopped playing golf, I was like, okay, I
want to get to tennis. Anyways, met some ladies that
started playing tennis and got really really into it. But
then I realized golf and tennis are very different, like
the most different. You know, how you hold your finish
and golf, Yeah, I'm realizing I'm doing that in tennis

(18:08):
waiting until, like, and the ball is already back at me.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Are you doing your table.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
When you serve?

Speaker 4 (18:15):
And you're just doing your little tabletop to get the
bull down to pick up the ball?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Literally, And then I realized in tennis you have to
like call shots out on people, and like in amateur tennis,
there's a lot of lying. These women just lie.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
It's a gamesmanship.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
You're telling me you were doing gamesmanship and golf.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
I literally took a lesson to be like, deny, deny, deny,
lie lie line. I'm like what And I was like calling.
I was like, oh, that's that's out. My ball was out.
Oh I you know, double hit it? Oh I hit it.
You're not suppoll hit on the handle. You're not supposed
to call it on yourself. If you hit a shot
that's out and no one calls it, you just keep flying.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Which I'm like, ah, that golf because you have to
be so honest and it's about integrity.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, like, oh my ball moved half of them minutter.
No one saw it, but I'm gonna call it two
shot penalty. Yes you know. So yeah, that's my life
right now.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Michelle retirement life is looking good.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
On your girl.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
Yeah, retirement does look good on you.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
I obviously told Carl you were coming on here, and
I was like, there's one question you could ask her.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
What would it be?

Speaker 4 (19:18):
And she said that I ask it because she was
like such a child prodigy and everyone knew of Michelle.
Everyone had such high expectations of you. You know, you
were going to change women's golf, you know, before you
kind of even got started, you know, you were just
the noise in women's golf. Like how it's such a
young age, and I'm sure like this has something to
do with your team as well, But how do you
handle that? Like, how do you, you know, kind of

(19:39):
walk through life as the new Michelle We I guess
as your identity of being like this unbelievable young kid
on the block who's hitting it way fer than everybody else,
who's way.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
More athletic than anybody else.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Technically so sound, how do you like go about even
processing that at such a young age.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
You know, it's funny because I feel like when I
started paying men's tournaments and like, you know, all this
stuff was happening, I was so young. But also there
was no social media, so I could really escape it.
If I wanted to. I think the best thing my
parents ever did was to put an emphasis on me
having a normal life and not taking me out of school.
And I kept my sand routine. It's not like we

(20:18):
bought a new car and moved houses when I turned
pro Like, I never saw the money. The money was
put away. I had normal friends who had no idea
what I did. I mean, obviously, there were times where,
like I felt like I did a good job of
making it two separate worlds. Obviously there was times when
my world were bleeded into each other and that would
cause me anxiety. But I felt like I did a

(20:38):
really good job of like compartmentalizing in my brain but
also physically separating the two lives that I had.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
Why was Stanford such a priority for you?

Speaker 2 (20:49):
When I think about big dreams that I have When
I was a kid, it was playing the Masters some
time I got very close. I did get very close
to playing I was two matches away from playing in
the Masters. I remember that it was actually crazy, But
playing the Masters was one of them. Graduated from Stanford
and winning the US Ones Open, So I mean, it

(21:11):
was just always something I've really wanted to do since
I was a kid. My grandfather was a visiting professor there.
Both my aunt and uncle went there, didn't grad school there.
My dad did not get in m and I was like,
I've in. He went to Upon on like full scholarship,
so like, you know, it's not cryor River for him.

(21:33):
But Stanford was just like one of those schools my
parents took me when I was younger, and I was like,
I really want to go and Tiger Woods went, though
yeah he did, I didn't. I That like wasn't like
such a big reason for me. It was like a
cool factor, but it wasn't like, oh, I want to
go because Tiger went. But also when I turned pro
when I was sixteen, my parents were like, you know,
you can turn pro, but you're still going to college, right,

(21:53):
This doesn't change any of that. So it was stipulation
for sure that my parents put on me.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
That's where cool.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Charlie Hall calls uh Stanford one of them smart push
schools in it, like she went, that's a very sigh,
you're that smart push school in it and she was
like a Stanford she went, yeah, that's one in it
and just like walked away.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
I was like Charles, I don't think your application went through.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Can we just have Meldy the entire interview and Charlie
Hall accent please?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I would be my want to honestly be a pleasure
in it.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Well, I've practiced it so much. I tell so many
Charlie Hall stories. But yeah, that for another time.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
In school, you said that your friends growing up didn't
really know what you did, but people must have known
at this point at Stanford, like they were aware of
who you were and what you were doing outside, Like
what why is Michelle gone for a week?

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
But if you also think about it, everyone thinks they're
hot shit at Stanford.

Speaker 5 (22:48):
That's very true. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
You know I went to like one mixer and this
girl I was like, oh, like, what do you do.
I'm like, oh, I play golf. I'm like what do
you do? Like, well, I climb Mount Everest when I
was sixteen. I'm like cool, cool, cool, coo cool cool. Yeah.
You know you're like, I'm trying to qualify for the masters. Yeah.
Like they're like what, They're like, what's the master's degree?

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (23:11):
A master is in What do you remember meeting Mel and?
Like what were Mel and Michelle like back in the day? No,
no kids, no responsibilities.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
They were on very different levels.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
I was just being a complete idiot on tour and
Michelle was being very professional and being a badass.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
So I don't know, I feel like you were.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
I mean, I remember playing Star Line Cup against you
in twenty eleven. Remember when LD went in the Saturday
four ball and LD it that drive off the deck
to close the match out four and three. Do you
not remember that one of the greatest shots I've ever
seen in my life, Laura Davis at that drive off
the deck was an honor that round.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Because okay, because honestly, Eld's prime was before any of us, right,
And I'm I mean, I obviously I know that LD
is such a legend, but when we played against you
that day and LD was just hitting driver off the
deck and I have never seen shots like that in
my entire life, like her putts and like so nonchalant,

(24:21):
and I'm like, oh wow, we were just she.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Was such a baud us that week, Queen.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
That was really impressive. I try to forget twenty eleven
as much as I can. That was a tough one
for us. It was a bit tough one.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Well, I really enjoyed it being European, it was. It
was a fun one for us, my first song Home
Cup and we weren't. I thought it's just just a
regular thing, and turns out over the last few years
it's pretty regular. But yeah, I know it's a lot
of fun. But it was the first time I played
with you, like we're against you. I think that was
the first time I've seen you in person, and I
just remember looking up at you, like shaking your hand.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I was like, hey, Michelle, you all the way there,
all the way down here.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
But then you you guys became like friends.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I don't know when did we become friends.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Well, I think when we were not playing like golf
together and we would not be doing like golf days
or something like that together. And I think that we've
became friends, you know, like mutual friends, and we just
started hanging out.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
I think I came into the European room that night,
you know what I did, because what happened it wasn't
what you did. I just remember. It's all coming back
now because unlike the PGA tour, we have to pack
our own stuff, Like, we don't have people that like,

(25:35):
you know, that's right us, you know, they gave us
huge boxes, remember that in our tiny room, and we
have to pack everything and it was raining sideways, so
all our rangeer was wet. I was like, you know what,
I'm just going to pack tomorrow morning. No, no, no,
out you guys. And the next morning our flights leaving

(25:56):
and I'm like, oh my god, I'm like eating a
piece of bread, like trying to regain any sort of
life that is back in me and the European team.
I remember got like iPads and stuff. We got an xbox.
Yeah you got an xbox. You got a set of knives.
Oh nice, you're welcome.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
Were they nice using them?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Actually? But I'm jumping everything into this box wet rain gear.
Set of knives that were weren't in the case. I
literally just threw them in the box. And then, because
you know not the PGA towards well, they use ground shipping.
Our boxes came like two months after from Ireland and
we're opening this box in like hot Florida, moldy d

(26:41):
oh no. Knives were like sticking out of the box.
I don't know how it passed through customs, and the
cherry on top was on top of the box as
soon as I opened the box. Was this half eaten
piece of bread that you stuffed in the box that
you accepted that I put right on.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
Nice, It's okay.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
You guys are all grown up now and you have
your your babies, and like it actually is wild stupid.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
It's like legal for you to just leave the hospital
with this child. And especially like I feel like I'm
such a tight B mom, you know, like you haven't
seen those tiktoks of like type B moms.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
What is the type B mom?

Speaker 2 (27:19):
So like type A mom are like you know, have
like post it notes and like organized calendar and knows
like which day is free dress day at school and
like you know, makes like cute animal shapes. Oh without
the cucumber and stuff for the past lunch. Yeah yeah,
I'm just like.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Whatever, yeah, just later, you're thriving, but you're surviving.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, Like I would see some of the lunchboxes that
the other moms would make, and I'm like, oh, you're
gonna get spamboo sibi.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
Again, famasubie is delicious. You got to raise your kid, right.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Yeah exactly, I will say Michellette and do much credit, mate,
But senior as a mum, like it's totally natural to you, like,
it's crazy. I thought you were going to be this
certain way, Like I actually thought you were going to
be a little bit type and you're right, you're absolutely not.
Like you're so laid back, like you're so chill. Especially
when McKenna was so young, like when she first fresh
out the oven.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
You were like, I was like, how are you doing this?

Speaker 4 (28:17):
You're like, oh, it's fine, like easy, all good. I
mean it's not easy, but it's all good.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeap, just this that that.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
But yeah, I mean it changed your life.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Done, itt mate, And you just had baby Jagger. Yeah,
how is life post baby Jagger?

Speaker 2 (28:30):
It's good? Two babies is crazy? Yeah, I never want
children ever again.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
It's going really well.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
All right, all right, I mean any more children? Yeah?
I love one too that I have and it's perfect.
You know, we have a boy and a girl. But yeah,
I told my husband. I was like, I'm done. And
the reason why we have three dogs and three dogs
is too much.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
And they're not small dogs.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
They're not golden doodles.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
No.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Romie is a kind of of course. Yeah, can you
explain what that is?

Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's an Italian mastiff. He's on the leaner side, so
he's won twenty three.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
So he's a Shetland pony.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
That's trained to kill you.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, it's a train guard dog. It's pretty awesome. I
have to say he is the nicest, most teddy bear
dog too. But it's funny because he knows between like
people that we know over the people that we don't know,
and like people that are in our family versus like
people that aren't. It's really interesting to see how he
can figure that out.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
So when you have like friends over that maybe haven't
visited before, and I may or may not be asking
for myself, what do you do with this dog?

Speaker 2 (29:41):
No? But like he really sees how we interact.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Like if we're like except on that,
then he's like, you know, are you guys.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Going to well, actually, funny you say this.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
So I've been begging for a dog for ages and
I said, look, once I stopped like playing, I'm allowed
to get a dog. And Kyle is always promising that.
So I've obviously done a bit of an Irish exit
on my career. So we're now talking we're actually going
to a dog yoga thing and we're gonna see if
we can just like maybe Foster once see Carlie's vibe.
Carlie's not really an animal person though, Like she'll like

(30:13):
run over squirrels and shit, and it really bothers me
because I'm such an animal person, Like it.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
Really bothers me, you know, like they shouldn't have gotten
in my way.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
She's like, like I'm not joking the amount of times
like something's run out and I've like broke and she's
like I've had to break really hard, and she gets
so pissed at me, and I'm like, carl She's like,
it's his own fucking fault, like just run over it.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
I'm like, it's a cat, Carly.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
If someone's cat, I can hear the bell, Like just
wrong with I've married an absolute psycho. But yeah, so
there's progress there. So we're gonna go to like it's
a dodgy thing and see if we can like.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Foster for a little bit kind of like we did Steve.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
Steve is not a person.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
That's my dog.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
Yeah he's right here. He's really cute. But we didn't
faster Steve.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
We've just straight outed him, know we Well, there was
there was like a twenty four hour like get to
know you period, but you cannot get to know a
dog in twenty four hours.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
That's all the shelter.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
So you just straight up No, we.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Just adopted very straight from the shelter.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, they shout out to friend of the pot of
Manda ballionas for setting that up.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
She had me go to the dog rescue and pick
him up.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
But Steve is the perfect dog except for one tiny
small detail, and it's that he would eat.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
You if you tried to come near him. So he's
a bit reactive. We're working on it.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Oh, he's just trying to set you. Yeah, it's a
nice thing.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Other than that, he's amazing.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
So you posted on social media like very soon after
baby came that you were like, I need to take
some time for myself.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
I need to go to New York. You know, thank
you to all the people that made this possible for me.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
Can you just like explain that and tell that story.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
It was probably I mean like a month and a
half after I give him birth and I just feel
like the whole process. I mean, you guys have gone
through it too, but you know, going through IVF this time,
you know, having McKenna was you know, super easy. The
second time was really tough, you know. So we had
to do IVF and you know, going through all that.
So it wasn't just like a nine month period of

(32:16):
you know, mental struggle. It was just like a year
and a half of just like grinding it out. And
pregnancy is not fun either. I hate being pregnant more
than anything on this planet. It's too worse.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
And you'll figure out to work around us.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
With us, you should do it well, just so I
can laugh at either. Nine months without drinking, I would
be intolerable. It's really tough. I saw someone posts I'm
not doing dry January because with two kids. I was like, yeah, exactly,
so true. But no, yeah, I mean pregnancy was really tough.

(32:55):
I feel like when you have a four year old,
you have a freedom back, like you know, you just
life is normal again. You know, you kind of have
your little buddy that you talk to, and you know,
we had everything a good setup and then all of
a sudden, this baby comes in and you know, obviously
for the best reasons, like blow everything up. You're not

(33:16):
sleeping through the night, you know, you're waking up every
two hours and you're just like whoa. And breastfeeding for
me was a disaster. I didn't get it the first time,
but the second time, I had this thing where the
letdown makes you really sick. So it was like getting
really nauseous, just like overstimulated, feeling like I was not

(33:37):
doing enough for Meckinna, not doing enough for the baby,
not doing enough for myself. And it's like, obviously, like
postpard and stuff, I gained seventy pounds and that also
added into my mental health decline. And my parents were
in town, and I obviously knew that they were in
good hands, and you know, obviously having a parents in
town too, it's a blessing and a curse, like you know,
like it's just like that's a lot too. And I

(34:00):
was like, I just need to get out. I remember
just being driving back from school drop off and being like,
I think I just need to leave. It's best for everyone.
I just need to be gone for two days and
I'll come back a new person. I just like needed
to be in New York, you know, because I felt
like I spent a lot of my twenties there and
I just felt like that was like the one place
that I resonate with being pre kids, and I was

(34:22):
just like, I just need to go there. My husband
was there for a work trip, and I was like, Okay,
I'm just going to meet up with him for two days,
eat all the good food, come back and be happy again.
And that was the best thing that I ever did.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
It's crazy, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
I Mean, you get such bad mum gilt and I'm like, Cary,
please can you just go one morning? I have Kai,
Like you don't understand how good it is going to
be for you, Like you just need time on your
own just to be you again, with that ruin about me,
that run about Kai, Like I'm pretty confident I can
keep him alive for a few hours, Like just please
go and go and do your thing, like you need

(34:55):
that to be.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
You, honestly, Like I think about this all the time.
I mean, I feel so fortunate that I have the help,
and I think about single moms all the time. Yeah
we do, Like I am struggling this much with help,
Like I can imagine the people that don't have help,
Like it seems impossible honestly, But yeah, I mean, I

(35:16):
just think that just doing anything for self care is
so important. And I think I feel it more so
because I was a professional athlete that was like a
really hard thing to get adjusted to because my whole
life I had a whole team around me for me,
Like playing professional sports is like the most selfish thing,

(35:36):
the best way possible, because you have your caddie who
works for you, like your trainer, you're mental person, your
you know, nutrition, you have a whole team. Your agent
were like, you know, it's about you, you you, and
it's only about you, and you only think about yourself
three hundred five days out of the year. And then
all of a sudden, like that change in a heartbeat,

(35:58):
like it's not about you anymore at all. It's about
the baby.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
Because even when.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
You're pregnant, it's kind of all about you. Yeah, you know,
people are you know, getting up like oh please sit down.
But like as soon as it's weird society wise too,
when you're traveling pregnant versus traveling with young kids, it's
amazing how different people are towards you in what way,
Like when you're traveling pregnant, people will open doors for
you and be like, oh my god, please sit down,

(36:26):
like take care of yourself, and then all of a sudden,
like when you have young kids and you're traveling with
young kids. People are assholes because if the baby's crying,
I don't know what it is. Like I have like
encountered some people like traveling with like my daughter that
I'm just like, wow.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Yeah, we've had that as well, Like Kay's freaking out
a plane and like the guy two lays down or
what two hours down is just staring ats like can
you shut him up? I'm like, yeah, obviously, I'm just
I'm really enjoying him having a meltdown for the next
two hours.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
I definitely wasn't trying to shut him up, but I'm.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
Like, this is what I would like to have happen
on this plane right exactly.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
I'm like, what do you want me to do? Like
he's having a meltdown, I literally can't. He won't be
comforted right now, like he wants to be in his
own bed.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I don't know how you traveled on tour with Kai.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah, it wasn't easy. I mean that's kind of the
decision where I chose to step away. We just had
a conversation and Carlie says, you know, if you don't
love it enough, it's not worth it for us, because
it was kind of breaking us down a little bit,
if I'm completely honest, and it was just really hard,
like he was struggling with it. Carl was struggling because
Carli was still working full time right, like she still
is full time, and talk about we don't have help

(37:31):
here either, So it's not like we got back and
then had some relief, like we literally we had to
get nanny, but other than that, we don't have any
family here in Jacksonville, so we literally have no help.
We literally have one person that baby sits for us,
and we've used her like twice since he's been born. Yeah,
so yeah, traveling up with him on tour is the daycare,
like Bardy and Joy and Sarah just unbelievable. But it's

(37:54):
so tough, mate, And like trying to compete against these
girls coming out now with not even like my age,
but having a kid, it's it's borderline impossible. Like you really,
it's almost easy if I just went on my own,
which I'm not willing to do.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
Yeah, it's insane what people don't think about, like, oh,
like it's great you have daycare, but if you have
a seven am t time, you're waking your kids up
at four thirty daycare, Like no one's happy at that point,
and like all I can think about is like Julian
Star traveling with two kids back in the day, pre
iPad anything and like you know, solo with her and

(38:29):
her caddie pretty much.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's wild, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
And you're having to compete with eighteen year olds that
are you know, they don't have injuries, they don't have
and you know your mom and dad are getting them
breakfast in the morning.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
They have everything taking care of.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
They don't have to worry about anything except for performing,
whereas if you're a mom, you're worried about everything except
for yourself, which is not a realistic place to compete
at your best in high level golf.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
No, it's almost impossible. It is almost impossible. It's ready
to the mom built like you want to take care
of them even when you're travel even when you know
you have to compete. Like I remember when I came
back and played after McKenna played in Dana Shore, and
like the first round I played pretty well, like I
felt really good about it. I was just getting back
into it. The next night mckinna decided not to sleep

(39:13):
at all in the middle of night, and of course,
like you know, my parents were traveling with me. I
could have you know, asked them to sleep with her
or whatnot, but like the mom guilt is so strong,
like you have to wake up with them, like it's
like a weird self torturis thing. And woke up with
her like every two hours, I shot like seventy six
miss to cut. Yeah, and of course, like no one

(39:33):
knows that. Yeah, you can't like in your interviews be like, oh, well,
my baby didn't sleep, like and it's like one of
those things that it's just like it just adds on.
But you know, it's it's the best thing. It's like
it's funny, like I catch my I've seen this happen
to movies and I catch myself doing this all the time,
but like, shit on them, shot on them and be like,
but it's the best thing in the world. It is.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
But it's okay to shit on the you know, it's reality,
but they're not. You know, both can be true.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Obviously you're retired.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
I just kind of wanted to know where that decision
came from, whether you've been thinking about it a while
from a personal level and as you may, like I've
definitely seen a difference in you not competing in the
best way. I think that you've really become a lot
more comfortable in yourself. I think that you've grown as
a human being, and I just generally think you're a
lot happier. So I just kind of wanted your thoughts

(40:32):
and the retirement and you actually retired and retired, you know,
like it's not easy to step away from the game.
You know, we see it a lot of times, like
people come back even though they say they're retired, and
you didn't do that, so it must have been a
pretty strong feeling for you. So I just kind of
wanted to get where that thought process and how long
you've been thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
You know, I play off my entire life and I
played at a high level of my entire life and
loved it. Like I said before, and like two things
can be true at the same time, like the most
traumatic experience last the most magical experience. And I think
that's exactly what golf is. It's torturous. It's hard. I
mean our tour especially, you know, we're traveling for ten

(41:10):
and a half months, when our flight schedule is not great.
We're traveling to like, you know, really bad hotels and
you know, bad economy flights, and it's just like it
was so rough, and you know, especially dealing with injuries.
If I was healthy the whole time, it'd be one thing,
but just having to go through injuries, and I just
got to a point. You know, not a lot of

(41:31):
people know this, but I got into a car accident
in twenty sixteen. That's why I pulled out of the
US Open twenty seventeen because I actually I fractured my
neck and I had a couple sprays, so see sixty
sixty seven. I still have like permanent nerve damage from it.
Ended up getting hand surgery on twenty seventeen. But also
just like next stuff and that like really freaked me

(41:53):
out when like it involves like your nerves and like
your spinal cord. I was like, oh my god, Like
this is like the type of pain that really freaks
me out. And just like grinded through pain. I just
took so many painkillers injections. It's just that part grinding
me through so much more than anything else.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Like at what point is it worth it?

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Exactly? I got to the point where you know, I'd
have to, like you just put yourself through so much,
like so much physical pain. I remember like standing over
her golf ball and being scared of it, like you know, like,
oh my god, it's gonna hurt, like I'm terrified, and
you know, like good moments feel fleeting. And then obviously
having McKenna, I kind of came out at a perfect time,

(42:34):
and you know, I really wanted to come back. I
was ready to retire right then and there in twenty twenty.
Then finding out she was a girl, I was like,
I really want to come back. I really want, you know,
to travel with her for her to watch. And then
you know, obviously my husband works in basketball, and like
with our you know, seasons not lining up. It got
to a point where when I came back with McKenna,

(42:56):
Johnny couldn't see her for two months, or you know,
if she was with him, then I couldn't see her
for two months. And when they're young like that, like
I just thought that wasn't fair for any of us
in our family. And I just didn't want to keep
grinding my body to a point where you know, like
let's say m kinda wants to play tennis or golf
or a sport with me later down, like I want
to be able to do these things. Yeah, and I

(43:16):
think I was just really happy in my retirement because
I thought through it for a really long time and
it just like felt right. It felt like in a moment,
like this is the perfect thing to do for me
and my family. And of course, like I missed being
out there, like being with the players. We've had like
so much fun times. But honestly, being the host of

(43:37):
the Mizojo America's Open has been like the perfect thing
for me because I still get a taste of it,
still be like really involved with the tour and get
to see all the young players and be out there
for the whole week. You do a great job of
that as well, by the way, and that's enough for
me one week out here.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, you put on like the type or the you know,
five star experience, the Statue of Liberty, the ferry to
the and the food. They girls get all put up
in a hotel they're in New York, Like that must
be such a specialty for them.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
The gifts are absolute swag. I may say swag. Yeah,
last year you did stuff for the moments where you
got that really cool pack and play Kyl. She feels
like he's in a rix Carlton whenever we travel now,
so thank you for that. He seeks much better. But yeah,
I want to see that you crush it. Everyone talks
about that event and how much fun it is, and
everyone obviously respects you on tour and he's done a
great job as a host so far.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Thank you. No, we're really proud of that event. I
feel like we worked really hard and gaining that event
to where it is. It's fun seeing the girls there
and you know, seeing the little mentorship that's happening. Obviously
as a player, you know, when I had my tournament,
there are certain things that I really wanted to get done,
like AKA, good food, good accommodations. Just make it easy
for everyone because you know, we know every week it's

(44:46):
so tough. And when you get to a tournament where
they don't have good player dining, which is surprisingly a
lot of weeks, yeah, it's really difficult.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I want to go back to something you said about
the injuries. Wasn't there a time when people were accusing
you of FA making injuries during your career?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (45:03):
Why and what was that?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Like? You know what, I kind of I mean not
to put it on myself at all. But you know,
when I was younger, when I had that big wrist injury,
I didn't really tell the media about it. I was
like being like, really coy a because I had zero
media training whatsoever, So I had no idea what I
was doing. And I'm like, why am I telling strangers
about my injury? But b like, I don't know. I

(45:25):
felt like I had this mentality of like, if I
don't admit it, it's not true kind of thing, like
I can push through it if I don't admit the pain.
To be fair to the reporters, they were only reporting
on what they were told, and I think if you're
not this is what I've learned through the years, if
you're not upfront about it and honest about things, like
things get just misinterpreted. And this is like now before

(45:47):
social media, before you're like posting things and whatnot, people
were just getting their news from reporters, So it was
going through a person. It wasn't directly going from my
mouth to the people. It was going from my mouth
to report to how they decide to write the articles
to the people. And if you're being coy with them,
if you're not giving them answers, they're gonna they're going
to have feelings about it and write about it in

(46:09):
a certain way. So I don't hold any grudges towards
any reporters. I think they're just doing their job. And
you know, I think you said I just had to
learn how to communicate what was going on better.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah, but I can't imagine being like going through so
much pain and reading about yourself that it's not true.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
I never read anything, to be honest. Okay, that's probably
for the best, really for the best. I think there's
a lot of mean things said about me, But I'm
just like you did to do really cool.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
But now, what's your relationship with social media?

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Now?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
It's fun. I learned a lot of things from Instagram,
and I guess TikTok, that's what the cool kids do.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
The youth, the youth.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
But yeah, I know I really enjoy it. I mean,
I like showing a snippet of my life to people.
I need to. I think I need to go through
like a branding thing. I think my instat is like
very chaotic right now. And I feel like you do
a really good job here of like very branded. You
have like a mission through your social media, like the
Monday tea. I'm all about it. I look forward to it,

(47:12):
thank you, And I want to do things like that,
you know, whereas mine is like super chaotic. It's like
dogs one day, puppies one day.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
Yeah, but it's your life.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
But yeah, it's I think it's I think it's fun.
I think social media is definitely a double edged sword.
And you know, it could be a great thing, it
could be a horrible thing. Definitely scary think about it
for kids. But yeah, so your chaotic life post retirement.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
You obviously have mom life, but then you have this
entire different side of you where you're an investor, you're
in business, all this stuff that you're So can you
tell us a little bit about the companies that you've
invested in and how did you start doing this? Because
I know that at one point you wanted to go
to business school, but how does one become so business minded?
It kind of just seemed like it started happening naturally.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I want to go to business school, and I bought
all these books to learn and these practice math questions,
and I didn't realize.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
The actual gmat.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Do math again, Yeah, the gmat? And then I got
to long division and I forgot how to do long division.
You're like mad division?

Speaker 5 (48:13):
Maybe not maybe not for me.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Do you know the quadratic formula is? Do you like,
do you remember any of these things?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I A squared plus B squared equol c square. No,
maybe that's Pathagora theorem.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
You lose me.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
You need to Well, what's the quadratic Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
What's what's what's the quadratic formula?

Speaker 3 (48:32):
We need to move on from this. I don't want
to embarrass everyone.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Anyways, I did that, and I was like, I can't
do this. I can't do matho calculator.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
So negative B plus or minus squared to B squared
minus four a c over two A.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, what is? So? Why do you need to know
what the quadrat formula is? Again? What's the purpose? Girl?
Can we not?

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Quadratic formula, also known as the I can't pronounce that formula,
is a mathematical expression used to solve quadratic equation.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Oh my god, quadratic equations.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
This is why I did not take the GMAT.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
The reason I also tried to take the GMAT. It
didn't work out, So there we go. Good.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Sorry, continue, But I know I got into it because
I felt like it was such a male dominant field
and I wanted to dip my toe in it. But
also I felt like I had the resources to invest
in companies that you know, probably wouldn't have gotten a
fair investment from other people, because you know, I wanted
to invest in women owned companies, you know, women of
color companies that you know, help with equity and all that.

(49:35):
So I kind of started in that direction. And then
I met this firm called Patrick Off and Co. And
they help athletes invest and that's been a real game
changer for me to have like a team of people
to you know, really help me through all that. But yeah,
still learning, Still just dipping my toe and trying to
meet people and learn from people I've met, you know,

(49:55):
thankfully through the job that we've had, we've met so
many interesting people that I just, you know, now just
try to talk through them and learn from them what
they did.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I think that my favorite investment of yours is Wove,
the jewelry company. And people might recognize this from seeing
Taylor Swift where you're bracelet that Travis Kelsey gave her
for Christmas last year?

Speaker 5 (50:20):
So can we have the backstory on that, please?

Speaker 2 (50:22):
So, through a friend of mine. He was like, Oh,
this jewelry company, I think you might be interested in it,
and they're looking for people to you know, collaborate with
and create jewelry lines. I'm like, oh, yeah, diamonds, I'm
in And I talked to this company, Wove and it
was founded by two army rangers, which care I know
you'll appreciate. And they started this diamond company because one

(50:45):
of the guys his famili's in the diamond business. And
when they're overseas and they're deployed, it was so hard
to find a ring obviously in the middle of where
they're deployed. They created this online warby Parker ish way
to create a engagement ring. So you work with a
bespoke jeweler and you design the ring over the phone,
over email, whatever, and they send you a drawing of it,

(51:08):
and then they actually create a replica ring, you know,
made with cz and alloy, which actually looks so I've
like worn mine out like multiple times and no one
can tell the difference. And it's like it's just way
for these people to help, you know, military people that
are overseas or they can't go into the physical store
create these engagement rings. And that's kind of how I started.

(51:30):
And I love that backstory, and they've always now moved
to find jewelry, you know, they still do engagement rings
bespoke in a process and now when I stalked to them,
I was like, Okay, I love I love the idea.
I love making you know, jewelry, you know, more affordable
and more more available to anyone. And then it kind
of came up with this jewelry line, and I was

(51:51):
really inspired by Taylor Swift and like the Friendship bracelets
and I've always loved that. But then when I have
it on and I have my like really nice jewelry on,
I was like, okay, I have diamonds on, but I
also have like plastic and like it looks like kids stuff,
and I wanted to make a really upscale version of it.
It sounds very boogie, but like you know, when you're
wearing your diamonds, it's just like kind of all comes

(52:12):
together and you want something like really upscale but all
something really fun at the same time and something customizable.
And we're talking about when we're launching, like, oh, who
would be really cool to have it? And you know
we've met obviously we met Travis Kelsey a few times
playing the eight AM thing, and I was like, you
know what, I'll just reach out to him, see if
he wants to give one to Taylor Swift DM him

(52:33):
and it's like, hey, I'm coming out with this jewelry line.
It was you know, inspired by you know, Taylor, and
I would love to just get this in our hands.
Nothing just just I just would love for her to
have one. And he's like, yeah, like sure, I would
love to give it to her. And next thing, I know,
NFC Championship. She goes in to hug him and I
start screaming and Johnny's like what happened. I'm like, oh

(52:57):
my god, she's worrying it like and all the pictures
from it was like it was perfectly placed where you
can see the beads and oh my god, it was
a wild ride.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
Since then, did the website melt out? Like, what's the
reaction from consumers?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Oh? Yeah, it crashed like it was insane. We're now
like creating a patent for the bracelet. It's this whole
thing and people have really truly started to love it.
I met Taylor actually in person and she's wearing it.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
What did you say, what was do what you talk about?

Speaker 2 (53:35):
She was like, Oh my god, like I love it.
I actually loved into the company. I love that it's
you know, we have a female CEO. She's like, I
love that, you know, it's women run. It's gorgeous. I
was like speechless, no worries, we're coming out. I was
like like, oh my god, you're actually wearing it on
your wrist right now. It was wild. She was so nice.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
She's a goddess, swifty. Yeah, whatever, she touches tens of gold.
Well done show.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Literally, Okay, should we wrap up with a few kind
of for more rapid fire questions and we'll let you
go perfect.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
What's like the best and the worst piece of advice
you've ever received? Ooh, good question, Thank you. I thought
about it by myself.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
You're such a podcaster.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
That wasn't a carly question.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Actually it might have been.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, let's be real, let's be real. He does my
Google talks the best piece of advice. I think the
best piece of advice when I got when I was
a kid was that that was super cocky as a kid,
and I felt like I was doing really well, doing
really well, and I just I saw my life in
an upper trajectory, just in a continual upper trajectory. And

(54:54):
I forgot who said this to me, and was like,
life will come. It really comes in waves. Nothing is permanent,
the bad isn't permanent, and the good isn't permanent. So
just like ride the wave and it'll just just go
with it. And I remember, like I thought, my life
is going to go up, up, up up, and then

(55:15):
when I hit my first injury, it went down and
I was so down. And then I'm like, wait, this
isn't permanent either. Everything will come in waves, so like
you just got to ride it out. And that was
like one of the things I still think about on
a daily basis. And then the worst ist of advice, I.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Mean so many, I've had so many people have tried
to come up and man's plain things always like the men.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
We're not saying it's all the men.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
But it's we do men on this podcast, but they
are pained, so we do.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
The worst advice always comes from men. Dude. It's so funny,
isn't it, Like the random people that you play in
programs with, Like it's just I can't think of a
singular one, but I don't think I've ever really gotten
bad advice from women with some men.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
What's the worst pro am experience you've ever had.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Well, I've had a few, I decided, the drunken ones,
you know, and they just like you have a bit
of bands with them, and I'm very sarcastic, very banuntery,
and I think that they think that they can cross
a line with me, and I'm like, that's not really
what's going with that joke? Like, and you know when
they like do photos y'or like put the hand on
your ass, You're.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Like, bark off, Yeah, disgusting it.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
I'm just like, do come on like asking me like
obviously because I'm well, I don't know if you know this, Michelle,
but I'm a lesbian.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Oh really yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
I didn't want to come out, but I'm going to
do it.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
That's a big pot, big podcast.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
I'm gonna I'm gonna tell my wife tonight. But like
even things like that, like they asked me like really
inappropriate questions and I'm like, that wouldn't even cross my
mind about asking you that with your wife, Like shut up,
this is just not appropriate.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Just things like that.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
But yeah, that's the disgusting some proms can be absolutely disgusting.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I don't have the like level the level of exposure
that you guys have because you've played billions and billions
of pro ms, but I do have like every once
in a while, people don't expect me to be able
to make contact.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
Let alone swing it actually good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And for the record, I'm not terrible and I had
good You're good, really good. Thanks guys.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Michelle and I have have competed together many a time,
just saying many times she carries me. Yeah, well, I'm coachable,
very coachable. Michelle will be like just do this and
lines up my putts. But I've had guys like in
ear shot, like I can you know it's quiet on
golf courses be like, dude, I bet you a hundred bucks.
She doesn't make contact, like I can hear them, and

(57:52):
like the best is when you do make contact, you
turned around and you're like, Hi, I'll take your hundred
dollars please, thank you.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
I bet the drinking. The drinking definitely.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
You know, everybody loves a transfusion on the golf course,
like have fun, great, but when it gets to the
point where there's like they think touching you is okay,
they think making comments is okay, and then you're like
all right, cool, Like I'm goodbye. So anybody out there
listening likes to drink on the golf course, great, but
just know.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
That there's a lie.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
Please, sorry, please, there's that. Okay.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
My my other, my other rapid fire was if you
were LPGA commissioner, what would you.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Do to change rapid fire questions? Jesus, I would quit
the next day. Want to talk to you about questions?
If you were LPGA commission what would you do? Well,
we need another hour podcast.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
Okay, maybe just for the day. If you're LPGA commissioner
for a day and no one can tell you no.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
I'm intregued to hear this. Actually that's a really hard job.
But I would really would like to sit down, look
at our schedule on a geographic map. Just make it
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Make it makes sense. People, make it make sense, And.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
I would like to. This is what I told our
tour so many times. I don't know if it's a
thing that a commissioner does, but make our rope makes
sense too, Like have you ever been to a tournament
and the ropings don't make sense?

Speaker 5 (59:33):
Like the rope lines.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah, for the funds, yes, we're like. I just feel
like on our tour we should always be inside the ropes,
going from grain to tea green to clubhouse. I mean
the has like bridges, bridges for players to walk over,
like I remember at the US Open one year there

(59:58):
was a rope around the practice putting green and no entrance.
Do you remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
It was that creek that's right, Oh god, that was
a ship of a USI was stuck under.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I should not have to lift a rope up to
go under, yea. And they said so in order to
get to ten, you have to walk through the clubhouse.
That's right. But they sold the clubhouse to VIP and
we didn't have the right credential to enter the v

(01:00:37):
They told me to walk around the clubhouse almost with
my tea time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
Yeah, I feel like I remember that week being a
little bit messy. It wasn't a great job for me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
The next week, I would I would, you know, I
would think about the players. I feel like we are
a player owned organization, and I feel like that gets
lost sometimes, which is what I try to really lean
in on our tournament, which is actually kind of fun.
I feel like when you have your tournament, you can

(01:01:06):
kind of be commissioner for a day, for a week, yeah,
and make that tournament something that you are proud of.
But then again, being LPG commissioner is extremely difficult, so
much easier just to be like you should do this,
you should do that. But in our budgets and you
know you're on the board as well, you learn about
how little we have to work with and how much

(01:01:28):
we have to fight to survive on a daily basis.
I know, like it sounds great, like, oh, our persons,
I've went up so much. We're paying for over one
hundred and ten million dollars, But like if you actually
think about, like we may not cease to exist at
any moment in time, you know, like it's like we
really have to fight tooth and nail to survive every

(01:01:51):
single day. Like I have so much respect for all
of our staff, all of our people that work on
our tour, and it's a hard Yeah, certain things I
would do.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Rope lines.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Rope lines make it make sense. You've common sense. I
feel like common sense is lost a lot on our tour.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
Common sense is not common.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
What's next for you that mate?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
So our brackets came out for the Club Championship and
I'm playing as the number one seed. So my goals
to not lose six oh six? Oh good?

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
And how are you Are you taking lessons for that
or are you just.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, sort of from McKenna. Hey, Lee and I are
going to play doubles together now that I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Would pay money for to see you and g Hey
just destroy, at least in your minds, you would be destroying.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
We have our mantra right now is touched the ball
and hit it hard. Thought. Yeah, so that's what I'm
doing next to you guys, handle anything bigger than that
right now?

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
Perfect?

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
Can I come back in like six months or so? Well,
it depends because you're thrown as a podcast. You can
definitely come back on Michelle. We love you anytime you want, mate,
and maybe then you'll be a tennis champion by then.
So we got to speak, We get to talk about
tennis career.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
We need the update on that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
You can be our special tennis correspondent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Oh thank you. I know nothing about tennis and my
ankle hurts, but we'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Michelle's Like I got out bed this morning, broad mankle,
So I have to retire really have to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Retire early before I can even start.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
All right, Michelle, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Bye.

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